sharia and sunni stuff like this is just names mostly tribal names separated from prophet times now called this names , just names , sunna is the way and the quran is the way thats it .
What negative side? I said that the ruling you cited was not part of the Quran. Also, unlike Christianity, in Islam, women and men are spiritually equal. It is stated very clearly in the Quran that men and women are equal.
However, their functional places in society are obviously different because of the reproductive capacities. This is true for all current societies as well.
I m not speaking bout spirituality but about duties and rights,so dont try to convince with that''spiritual equality''.
If an Islamic society is mainly based on Islam and SHARIAA why all these ''qualities''dont exist in them,suppose they have to be kind of ''Example''for other ''socities''
There is no "islamic society". I stated very early in this discussion that Muslim countries today like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are not following Islamic Shariah. You can not blame their laws on Islam and the Quran.
Realize that Western Divorce Law only caught up to Islam relatively recently.
And polygamy was a necessity back then, because of the demographic constraints. There were simply more women to men because of tribal warfare in which many men died at a young age.
Also, as for the inheritance rule, it is true women are given a smaller share, but unlike men, women have no restriction on how they can spend their money, unlike men. Men have to spend on their dependents (e.g. women) and give charity.
Exactly you know when someone crticises something he should focus on the negative aspets,and as Muslims say there s no negative side in Islam but think here you admite by yoursekf that there are negative aspects.
Concerning restriction and no-restriction ,if i get what you say you mean that women cant manege teir''Business''as well as men then yu say that Islam doesn t believe in the Equality between the 2 sexes.
WRonggggggg one Prophet muhammeds wifves was a business woman... and Islam their isnt a signle thing that goes against HUmanity as a Whole.. u may dissagree with a particular subject or dealing but when giveing the reason for it with facts it becomes clear .....
So, in Islamic "heaven," the men have their wives from earthly lives AND all these houris. So, what do the wives do when the men are having sex with the houris?
Do Muslims ever actually stop and thing about how crazy this all is? Seriously - I'm not just mouthing off. Do Muslim men every actually THINK about the feelings of women or is that just irrelevant?
Supposedly the Muslim excuse for polygany on earth is population ratio of gender. And yet, look at your ideas about heaven.
Very true.Actually I believe that Islam fits MEN only,they can marry 4 women,they can marry a non-muslim woman which the woman cant do on the other side and their HEAVEN is full of women or HOORIS they can name them as they want.mmmmmmmmm Strange isnt it.
SO the question is WHERE IS THE WOMAN STATUS IN ALL THIS MASQUERADE.
Are you aware that women have more rights according to the Quran then any other religion?
Islam was the first religion in the world to grant women the right to initiate divorce, as well as inheritance, property AND education rights. Did you know that according to Islamic tradition women EVEN have the right to demand sexual satisfaction in a married relationship?
Don't just take the Taliban and Saudi Arabia's example, as they are not following real Islam as outlined in the Quran.
Ok true what u said here about divorce and all, but let me tell you that Koran might grant some ''Women-rights'' or call it as u like but this correspond to women in Kouraish.. ..in the past coz they used to kill girls when they were born and didnt respect their mothers ...... at the same time in Africa WOMEN ruled their countries which is not the case now after the Islam conquest,and here i m not speaking about any religious part but about facts that existed and still exist.
If you think that women had it good before Islam, let me remind you that female genital mutilation, and female infanticide are both pre islamic practices which were outlawed by Islam.
Also, the rights of women are not just for the Quraish, I dont know where you got that impression. The Quran affords more respect and rights to women then the Old Testament and New Testament combined.
I suspect that you might be getting your information from a very biased and/or ignorant source.
I mentioned the kouraish thing coz i want to give the oriin where Mouhamed came from and YES women ruled their country before Islam.Think you have to get more information ;bout that Ok.
I am not comparing Koran to the Bible or the Old Testament.
You have said before that you dont agree about everything said on the vid here.I believe that it gives Islam its real shap coz whatever you say Islam doesnt give that Mercy you all speak about
You are basically ignoring all the proof that I have given you. That does not help your position here, it only weakens it. You say that Islam is not merciful to women, despite all the following evidence to the contrary:
#1: Property Rights
#2: The right to an education
#3: Divorce Rights
#4: Inheritance rights
#5: Sexual Rights
#6: The Respect given to women in the Quran
is unparalleled in Jewish or Christian scriptures.
To name just the basic privileges that I have cited in my above posts.
Not at all,but those rights you are stating here might be a great step at that time. though all these rights there were others that were against women just like the 4 wives,which a man cant i say CANT be fair with 4 wivs.
And if you see now we are in the 21 century every Human being has the RIGHT to these you have stated.
Ok i wanna speak bout that inheritance right,A woman has the ight for a third part unlike men.
Other thing what bout Divorce,when a man divorces his wife 3 times and he regrets it ,in order to have her back as a legitimate wife she has to marry another man then get divoced THEN marry the first husband.
I do not think this ruling is part of the Quran. It might be part of some legal school of thought within some branch of Islamic jurisprudence, but it seems to me that at this point you are just nitpicking.
You are ignoring all positives of a religion and trying to find negatives to focus on. This approach is biased and wrong in and of itself.
I advise you to take a more balanced and scholarly approach in your studies.
You. Don't think of Islam as imperfect. It is absolutely perfect. People will find flaws in any and EVERYTHING. People find flaws in Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]. How can you find flaws in the Apostle of Allah[pbuh]? He is the most perfect of all creation. Islam is the perfect and flawless religion. And don't excuse the belief of the unbelievers by saying "Try to focus on the positives." Don't be ridiculous.
But havent u said our self that Allah would make true any ANY wish of a person who gets to paradise even if the thing he s asking for is not good or shamful.So yeh why not if a lesbien girl wants a Hooris or what so ever it must done by Allah isn t it.
First of all, "could change" is a weak assumption.
Second of all, I do not agree with the tone and character of the video at all. If you want the right impression of paradise represented in the Quran, then you have to read the Quran. Do not just go by what this person is saying here.
OK let me tell you that i have read verses from Koran about paradise,i wont say that I have read all the Koran but almost all I read was about how it will be for example WINE which is prohobited in Earth it will be allowed there,Also about pradise with rivers and all that things,so Honestly i dont find any thing ''spiritual'' I believe it is all about People's desires.
The highest bliss in paradise is described by God Himself in the Quran. Do you know what what it is? If you have read all the verses about paradise, then you should know this.
The highest bliss of paradise for the believers is described as "God's goodly pleasure".
Also, by the way, unlike the Bible, the Quran makes it very clear that the descriptions of paradise in the Quran are metaphorical. As it is very clearly stated that things of paradise are like nothing in this world.
How can there be "sex slaves" when there is no sex in heaven? Nothing in the next world is the same as this world. God has stated that He has prepared for his servants pleasures which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and the heart of man has not conceived.
I already stated that these companions are spiritual blessings available for both men and women. Soul Mates, not "sex slaves".
So, these "heavenly women" r THINGS created 4 men in heaven? R they made SOLELY 4 men's sexual needs? Living, breathing sex dolls? I mean - they don't menstruate or go 2 the toilet (they can't procreate & don't eat/drink), they r made as living sex toys. IMO, tht seems perverted - things w/no will or mind, virgins 2 b used 4 men's sexual pleasure. Does their hymen grow back each night 2, so tht they r perpetual virgins? It's like Allah's offering 2 create SEX SLAVES in heaven -
You are FAR less creepy than this lecture was. And your points are quite logical - thank you for that! I guess I just don't see the fascination with the "heavenly companions" being virgins and all the trappings that this lecture seemed to attach to the importance of that. I really like your explaination much better - I agree that physical union in heaven would be needless (since procreation would no longer be an issue), and I agree with your last sentence expecially.
How can there be "sex slaves" when there is no sex in heaven? Nothing in the next world is the same as this world. God has stated that He has prepared for his servants pleasures which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and the heart of man has not conceived.
I already stated that these companions are spiritual blessings available for both men and women. Soul Mates, not "sex slaves".
Sorry, but the idea of something "made" especially 2 please me creeps me out. It smacks of lack of will - & I don't understand a desire 2 have something like that. There would be no unexpected delights - everything would always be automatically perfect. I can see how some would find that an attractive heaven, but I don't want or need "perfection". I would find that boring, I guess.
BTW, if the "companions" r NOT meant sexually, why the large importance attached to their virginity? Just curious.
IBelieveNoone - YES their hymens grow back every time they are violated, and the men have perpetual erections for all eternity. So each time a man violates a pure houri, her hymen grows back so he can do it again and again and again throughout eternity.
Oh sure - great logic. Lets see, I've killed exactly NO human beings in my entire lifetime. I've never made a bomb, never hijacked a plane... matter of fact, I've never even maimed or injurred anyone. I have no calling to annihilate an entire race of people and I don't worship a pedophile. So how am I like Bin Laden?
Youre either REALLY ignorant if Islam or youre doing the little taqiyya side step. At any rate, as Jesus said) you are of your father, the devil and there is no truth in you.
i bet mary mary quite contrary is not even a muslim.
lail111 1 year ago
We, Asians, are expert in selling vacuum cleaners to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of judaism and chrisianity to the world.
we sold the vacuum cleaner of islam to the world
we sold the vacuum cleaner of Hinduism, sikhism and budhism to the world.
Ever wondered why no prophet or bhagwan was ever born in England, Poland, Holland, new Zealand, Australia or brazil.
we specialize in creating and selling the vacuum cleaners in the name of religion.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
sharia and sunni stuff like this is just names mostly tribal names separated from prophet times now called this names , just names , sunna is the way and the quran is the way thats it .
itsacrises 2 years ago
lol @ mary, she'll go 2 hell
tu4eva 3 years ago
What negative side? I said that the ruling you cited was not part of the Quran. Also, unlike Christianity, in Islam, women and men are spiritually equal. It is stated very clearly in the Quran that men and women are equal.
However, their functional places in society are obviously different because of the reproductive capacities. This is true for all current societies as well.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
I m not speaking bout spirituality but about duties and rights,so dont try to convince with that''spiritual equality''.
If an Islamic society is mainly based on Islam and SHARIAA why all these ''qualities''dont exist in them,suppose they have to be kind of ''Example''for other ''socities''
python130 3 years ago
There is no "islamic society". I stated very early in this discussion that Muslim countries today like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are not following Islamic Shariah. You can not blame their laws on Islam and the Quran.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Realize that Western Divorce Law only caught up to Islam relatively recently.
And polygamy was a necessity back then, because of the demographic constraints. There were simply more women to men because of tribal warfare in which many men died at a young age.
Also, as for the inheritance rule, it is true women are given a smaller share, but unlike men, women have no restriction on how they can spend their money, unlike men. Men have to spend on their dependents (e.g. women) and give charity.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Exactly you know when someone crticises something he should focus on the negative aspets,and as Muslims say there s no negative side in Islam but think here you admite by yoursekf that there are negative aspects.
Concerning restriction and no-restriction ,if i get what you say you mean that women cant manege teir''Business''as well as men then yu say that Islam doesn t believe in the Equality between the 2 sexes.
python130 3 years ago
p.s. And you do admit that you are here basically to criticize Islam, not to expand your knowledge?
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
WRonggggggg one Prophet muhammeds wifves was a business woman... and Islam their isnt a signle thing that goes against HUmanity as a Whole.. u may dissagree with a particular subject or dealing but when giveing the reason for it with facts it becomes clear .....
xXxMrJxXx 2 years ago
So, in Islamic "heaven," the men have their wives from earthly lives AND all these houris. So, what do the wives do when the men are having sex with the houris?
Do Muslims ever actually stop and thing about how crazy this all is? Seriously - I'm not just mouthing off. Do Muslim men every actually THINK about the feelings of women or is that just irrelevant?
Supposedly the Muslim excuse for polygany on earth is population ratio of gender. And yet, look at your ideas about heaven.
carolineislands 3 years ago
What are these ideas of heaven?
Go ahead and start listing all the verses
which you find so offensive. Lets see what they are. Go ahead and bring them out. And we will see how supposedly vile they really are.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Very true.Actually I believe that Islam fits MEN only,they can marry 4 women,they can marry a non-muslim woman which the woman cant do on the other side and their HEAVEN is full of women or HOORIS they can name them as they want.mmmmmmmmm Strange isnt it.
SO the question is WHERE IS THE WOMAN STATUS IN ALL THIS MASQUERADE.
python130 3 years ago
Are you aware that women have more rights according to the Quran then any other religion?
Islam was the first religion in the world to grant women the right to initiate divorce, as well as inheritance, property AND education rights. Did you know that according to Islamic tradition women EVEN have the right to demand sexual satisfaction in a married relationship?
Don't just take the Taliban and Saudi Arabia's example, as they are not following real Islam as outlined in the Quran.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Ok true what u said here about divorce and all, but let me tell you that Koran might grant some ''Women-rights'' or call it as u like but this correspond to women in Kouraish.. ..in the past coz they used to kill girls when they were born and didnt respect their mothers ...... at the same time in Africa WOMEN ruled their countries which is not the case now after the Islam conquest,and here i m not speaking about any religious part but about facts that existed and still exist.
python130 3 years ago
If you think that women had it good before Islam, let me remind you that female genital mutilation, and female infanticide are both pre islamic practices which were outlawed by Islam.
Also, the rights of women are not just for the Quraish, I dont know where you got that impression. The Quran affords more respect and rights to women then the Old Testament and New Testament combined.
I suspect that you might be getting your information from a very biased and/or ignorant source.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
I mentioned the kouraish thing coz i want to give the oriin where Mouhamed came from and YES women ruled their country before Islam.Think you have to get more information ;bout that Ok.
I am not comparing Koran to the Bible or the Old Testament.
You have said before that you dont agree about everything said on the vid here.I believe that it gives Islam its real shap coz whatever you say Islam doesnt give that Mercy you all speak about
python130 3 years ago
You are basically ignoring all the proof that I have given you. That does not help your position here, it only weakens it. You say that Islam is not merciful to women, despite all the following evidence to the contrary:
#1: Property Rights
#2: The right to an education
#3: Divorce Rights
#4: Inheritance rights
#5: Sexual Rights
#6: The Respect given to women in the Quran
is unparalleled in Jewish or Christian scriptures.
To name just the basic privileges that I have cited in my above posts.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Not at all,but those rights you are stating here might be a great step at that time. though all these rights there were others that were against women just like the 4 wives,which a man cant i say CANT be fair with 4 wivs.
And if you see now we are in the 21 century every Human being has the RIGHT to these you have stated.
Ok i wanna speak bout that inheritance right,A woman has the ight for a third part unlike men.
python130 3 years ago
Other thing what bout Divorce,when a man divorces his wife 3 times and he regrets it ,in order to have her back as a legitimate wife she has to marry another man then get divoced THEN marry the first husband.
Frankly I find that horrible,
python130 3 years ago
I do not think this ruling is part of the Quran. It might be part of some legal school of thought within some branch of Islamic jurisprudence, but it seems to me that at this point you are just nitpicking.
You are ignoring all positives of a religion and trying to find negatives to focus on. This approach is biased and wrong in and of itself.
I advise you to take a more balanced and scholarly approach in your studies.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
You. Don't think of Islam as imperfect. It is absolutely perfect. People will find flaws in any and EVERYTHING. People find flaws in Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]. How can you find flaws in the Apostle of Allah[pbuh]? He is the most perfect of all creation. Islam is the perfect and flawless religion. And don't excuse the belief of the unbelievers by saying "Try to focus on the positives." Don't be ridiculous.
ZEOtheguardian 2 years ago
@ZEOtheguardian
when did I say Islam was imperfect?
PsyTrip20 2 years ago
@ZEOtheguardian
i think you replied to the wrong person
PsyTrip20 2 years ago
But havent u said our self that Allah would make true any ANY wish of a person who gets to paradise even if the thing he s asking for is not good or shamful.So yeh why not if a lesbien girl wants a Hooris or what so ever it must done by Allah isn t it.
so dont contradict ur self ok
python130 3 years ago
You dont get to go to heaven if your "self" has not been cleansed and purified of shamefulness.
Thats a given.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
really,but a clean and a purified soul coul change if all the desires come true.
I mean come on it s what says the vid,everything you can ask for could be ealized even a very BAD thing,I m not inventing.
python130 3 years ago
First of all, "could change" is a weak assumption.
Second of all, I do not agree with the tone and character of the video at all. If you want the right impression of paradise represented in the Quran, then you have to read the Quran. Do not just go by what this person is saying here.
Lastly, paradise is a spiritual existence.
Nothing in paradise will be the same as here.
That is very clearly written in the Quran.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
OK let me tell you that i have read verses from Koran about paradise,i wont say that I have read all the Koran but almost all I read was about how it will be for example WINE which is prohobited in Earth it will be allowed there,Also about pradise with rivers and all that things,so Honestly i dont find any thing ''spiritual'' I believe it is all about People's desires.
python130 3 years ago
The highest bliss in paradise is described by God Himself in the Quran. Do you know what what it is? If you have read all the verses about paradise, then you should know this.
The highest bliss of paradise for the believers is described as "God's goodly pleasure".
Also, by the way, unlike the Bible, the Quran makes it very clear that the descriptions of paradise in the Quran are metaphorical. As it is very clearly stated that things of paradise are like nothing in this world.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
How can there be "sex slaves" when there is no sex in heaven? Nothing in the next world is the same as this world. God has stated that He has prepared for his servants pleasures which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and the heart of man has not conceived.
I already stated that these companions are spiritual blessings available for both men and women. Soul Mates, not "sex slaves".
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
PsyTrip - in Islamic "heaven" there is LOTS AND LOTS of sex. Its all ABOUT sex - research it and see!
carolineislands 3 years ago
Oh, don't worry. Ive done my research.
The question is.... Have you?
Cite one verse in the Quran
where the actual word for "sex"
is used to depict the spiritual relations between beings in Paradise.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
So, these "heavenly women" r THINGS created 4 men in heaven? R they made SOLELY 4 men's sexual needs? Living, breathing sex dolls? I mean - they don't menstruate or go 2 the toilet (they can't procreate & don't eat/drink), they r made as living sex toys. IMO, tht seems perverted - things w/no will or mind, virgins 2 b used 4 men's sexual pleasure. Does their hymen grow back each night 2, so tht they r perpetual virgins? It's like Allah's offering 2 create SEX SLAVES in heaven -
& tht's creepy.
IBelieveNoone 3 years ago
This lecture in very.. wierd.
Who said there will be "sex" in heaven? No where in the Quran is there mention of "sex" in heaven.
Just Soul Mates. For both genders.
Women will have their heavenly
companions as well.
Not "sex dolls" because "sex" as you experience it in this existence, does not exist in the infinite dimension.
Instead you can expect a union of the spirit, mind and body of far greater intimacy in paradise then the "sex" of this life.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
You are FAR less creepy than this lecture was. And your points are quite logical - thank you for that! I guess I just don't see the fascination with the "heavenly companions" being virgins and all the trappings that this lecture seemed to attach to the importance of that. I really like your explaination much better - I agree that physical union in heaven would be needless (since procreation would no longer be an issue), and I agree with your last sentence expecially.
Thanks!
IBelieveNoone 3 years ago
How can there be "sex slaves" when there is no sex in heaven? Nothing in the next world is the same as this world. God has stated that He has prepared for his servants pleasures which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and the heart of man has not conceived.
I already stated that these companions are spiritual blessings available for both men and women. Soul Mates, not "sex slaves".
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Sorry, but the idea of something "made" especially 2 please me creeps me out. It smacks of lack of will - & I don't understand a desire 2 have something like that. There would be no unexpected delights - everything would always be automatically perfect. I can see how some would find that an attractive heaven, but I don't want or need "perfection". I would find that boring, I guess.
BTW, if the "companions" r NOT meant sexually, why the large importance attached to their virginity? Just curious.
IBelieveNoone 3 years ago
IBelieveNoone - YES their hymens grow back every time they are violated, and the men have perpetual erections for all eternity. So each time a man violates a pure houri, her hymen grows back so he can do it again and again and again throughout eternity.
carolineislands 3 years ago
That was sick.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
I agree that its sick. But its the truth about Islam so if you think its sick, then you think Islam is sick. And you'd be right about that.
carolineislands 3 years ago
You are either an extremist.
Let me guess, Evangelist?
Or Zionist.
Either one. No better then Osama Bin Laden.
PsyTrip20 3 years ago
Oh sure - great logic. Lets see, I've killed exactly NO human beings in my entire lifetime. I've never made a bomb, never hijacked a plane... matter of fact, I've never even maimed or injurred anyone. I have no calling to annihilate an entire race of people and I don't worship a pedophile. So how am I like Bin Laden?
Youre either REALLY ignorant if Islam or youre doing the little taqiyya side step. At any rate, as Jesus said) you are of your father, the devil and there is no truth in you.
carolineislands 3 years ago
This information of hooris or hoors is so cool!... worth listening to!... WAT A GIFT.
keyfahaluq 4 years ago