Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
@elazar79 pagan catholic sun worship is condemned in the bible "Deut 17:3 "And has gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded"
@elazar79 Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
In Germania, they commonly reffered to Jesus as "Heallend" or healer".
But the second invasion of post-Latin peoples (The normans) gave them the name of "Jesus" and it's pronunciation.
The symbols in the Catholic church do have similarities with pagan religions , but those similarities in nature , are the only similarities. The doctrine itself is Hebrew, complete with the whole set of Jewish laws , traditions , etc, up to the very neck of Judaism.
Jesus has nothing to do with a "Sun God". Further more , you obviously are trying to link a subconscious suggestion into people's minds by making them think that "sun" and "son" are somehow cognates.
Zeus and Iesous have nothing in common. The council of Nicaea wa sheld in Turkey under ROMAN authority, not Greek (Which is totally different).
However , the new testament did have a greek manuscript and it did read something like "Iescua" (Yeshua), which became Iesous.
The pope is the beast of rev 13 he is the anti christ ,daniel and the lord JESUS warned us about. The pope changed the sabbath day killed the saints and called himself equal to God just as daniel and revelation tells us the beast would do. infact rev 17 says the beast sits with the false church in rome. The last pope will be the beast the lord JESUS TOLD US NOT TO WORSHIP . the last pope will make a new world order his illumanati freemasons and jesuits have been working on it for 100's of years
The Native americans Chant Ya ha way ha...it is the four directions.... They are the lost tribe. It is the Heart song...it is about the center. The Aquarian Calendar aligns with YHWH If you believe in YHWH then The Sun is the Son of God... Aligning with the Sun and Solar energy would have been and will be good for the environment.
People need to wake up and realize that we are living in hell, SATAN is the sun, he is an angel of light, hidden in plain sight everyday. He can incarnate into human bodies RA/HORUS/AMEN/MOLECH/LUCIFER , and has done so overtime taking positions of power among spirits that were tricked into incarnating into an inferior flesh body. Jesus tried to tell people that our real kingdom is not of this world, but of the spirit world. This earth is Satans Hell, the illuminati still worship the sun devil
everything in the universe is energy. God is simply positive energy or love! evil, Satan, killing another human being, hate etc = negative energy, wat elite believe. Jesus, even if just a story, lived love - put forth positive energy - which is why he was God in the flesh! The story should b remembered 4 all of us 2 put forth positive energy the way Jesus taught us. Constantine & the roman empire -the elite -all infiltrated / created religions, the bible & Quran. PAGAN.
@socamaestro Time has a beginning. Our universe started to expand which in turn created time through the movement of matter and energy resulting in the fabric of space/time. There is no good and there is no evil. All there is is survival. You either go on living or you don't. What you have to do to sustain yourself and maximize the potential for humanities continued existence is it. There are no constants in an ever changing universe. Only reality. What is good today is not good tomorrow.
Yahweh is actually Jehovah in the Masoretic text...and it is a spin-off name of Jove--the god in egypt. Moses (if he even existed) started the cult on Mt Sinai, having come out of Egypt and knowing the religion/mythology thoroughly. So Judaeism as well as christianity is a pagan myth that sprang from Egypt. All bible religions are myths and are therefore forms of cults. The only way to know God is through creation and our conscience, not bibles and creeds written by corrupt men. Sorry--
Sure, many pre-Christian cultures saw the Sun as a living being, but the interesting question is: Were the ancients right - is the Sun a living being? This intuitive understanding was wiped from our culture by Christianity, hijacking dates and legends in the process.
My book on the subject looks at the implications of the 'yes' answer and the science supporting it. Sun of gOd takes the lid off the biggest cover up of all time! Google or Amazon it for more. Gregory Sams, author
why do all religiou people capitalize all the words that refer to their religious beliefs? that shows false respect, if it was true it wouldn't need that crap, do scientists capitalize evolution?
Are you Stupid, the adoration of Yahweh comes from the Cananites and Babylonian adoration of God Yah or also known as El, your interpretation is wrong the Judaism we know nowadays just has 2700 years as the ancient religions are very much older than Judaism new form.
The Sign From the West bears the esoteric message to look to the West instead of the East. As the rising sun symbolizes the heart of Evil, the setting sun represents the end of Evil. It is time to abandon worship of the sun - time to abandon Evil.
God is so amazing, he has created an amazing universe, he is just incredible. But when it came to earth what happened, he must of been tired or something, he has forgot the basic principles of life ie photosynthesis, he created the earth and life on it before the sun, oops! and what about the creation he really loves, well he created us with blind spots, and a jaw that is not big enough for our teeth or is it he has created too many teeth to fit our jaw, plus many more design problems.
God is the Sun and As the Bible Says and the Prayer It is written before all of us.. No one is deceiving anyone but self.. As it was in the beginning, the souls worshipped the SUN, So shall it be in the end.. There is no other GOD but The SUN and that is the Soul of Souls.. Any other thing is error and deceit.. GOD truly lives and never for one day has forsaken his children.. Man will fool you because he wants to rule over you, but he is not stronger and cannot overcome GOD the ONE and Only !
Solomon was a sun god also and Solomon's temple is a temple of light. Sol = sun in latin, Om = sun in eastern religions, and On was the city of the sun in Egypt.
However, the ODES of Solomon is NOT the text you're thinking of, brokenhomekid322. Let me guess, you're getting this from a half-remembered viewing of "Banned from the Bible" special and the Da Vinci Code, right? Odes is considered canonical by the Orthodox church, and is comprised of prayers and quotations from the rest of the bible. The other books you speak of were never seriously considered for inclusion in the canon, and the canon was NOT settled at Nicea.
no im accually not ive done research because of my own about king solomon whether he was a kabbalist or not his name is still widly spread in the occult and I know this because i tried out paganism and found it was stupid and had no real logic. Can you tell me this how was the canon not decided by the concil of Nicea id like to your source. But I do know of the books that you have refered to. I only have a copy of the gnostic bible and not the other that you talked but can we message instead
The thing is, a lot of stuff in "occult" circles was confused interpretations from 18th/19th century Europeans (many of whom were out to make a buck), amateurs who were fascinated with anything "exotic" (and gurus who were all to willing to tell them what they thought they wanted to hear). Thus we need to be skeptical and evaluate our sources, brokenhomekid. PM me.
6miranda, let me use another example. Scientology didn't exist before L. Ron Hubbard came up with it in the 60's. We have no evidence anyone believed that stuff before then. There are about 500,000 people who believe Scientology is true. Fine. They're free to do that. But if they were to say that 5,000 years ago people believed in Scientology, they'd need to show some evidence for that. If they can't, no reason to believe that people back then did.
One more thing. Many of us believe truth to be progressively revealed to humanity because we firmly believe in the evolution of consciousness. WE know more as we are more capable of handling TRUTH. It does not necessarily denies ancient believes but challenges and enriches them. Progressively revealed truth can also help in clarifying ancient symbolism, since we do not necessaily believe ancient texts to be literally truth. This may explain why Scientology is OK for scientologists. It just may.
If righteousness is a function of our genes, doesn't that sort of turn morality on its head, 6miranda0? If I'm "born bad" then it's not my fault if I live a wicked life, is it? So I'm not responsible? Or is there some kind of "gene therapy" for being of bad seed? Curious what you think of that, if that's the direction you were going (and I am not saying I agree with that either).
I'm not asking you to "prove the entire Bible" I'm just talking about what evidence do we have for the (positive) assertion that Jesus = Sun God, or that the early Christians worshiped the Sun. If we have no evidence for this, what reason should we assume it was true? It's not as if the Bible says it's true, and so it's not even comparable to the faith claims of the Bible (ie: that God exists, that Jesus is God's Son, miracles, etc). The Sun God thing is based on NOTHING. That's my issue with it
The story in this video makes enough sense for me to give it a chance. I give chance for truth to some things in the Bible, too. It all depends on my own believe system. I have my own reasons to believe the Sun to be the representation of God for us here on Earth. Many reasons. So, it makes sense to me (and to other people indeed)that Christ as all those other dieties are Suns of God. The events in the Bible are not proven to be historical either. I do not claim anything to be absolute truth.
The sun is a creation of God,and yes all things have a nature of GOD.Humans of course go astray and end up worshipping the creation rather than the creator,this is where sin comes in and a need for a savior to redeem us and show us the truth of our Creator.
Our concepts of reality is no more than what we collectively agree to be real. "We"-in this context- refers to a group of people. Different groups of people agree upon different concepts and claim their private concept to be "the" definition of reality. To my opinion all definitions of reality are limited, including the scientific definitions of reality and indeed the fundamentalistic ones, as well as the definitions contained in the Bible. The Bible was written by humans.
Ok everything you just said was useless.But anyways not only was it written by humans but was inspired by God and their own testimony of the Supernatural.
your statement is a reflection of your state of mind. Your ideas about reality are limited to your perceptions and to the concepts imprinted in your mind by those before you. Your reactions to my comments is no more than an expression of who you are.
XSC3 HERE IS the difficulty. I am OK with youR believe in the Bible as TRUTH. However it is not evidence for the rest of us. The difficult arises when I am told that my believe is a fantasy because I have got not evidence, as if you've got scientific evidence for your believe. Believes are believes and there is no rationality about them. Then there is TRUTH, incomprehensible for ALL of us including christians. We do not have scientific evidence that christians have the TRUTH. Neither do you.
6miranda0, at least if I believe something I can say "well the Bible claimed it happened." Where do you get the "Jesus was the Sun God/Christians worshiped the Sun" from? It sounded like you were saying it was a historical event. So wondered how you knew that. If you just made it up, fine. Do you have some ancient document written by Christians saying they were worshiping the Sun? What evidence do you have that they weren't actually worshiping Cheese?
it is incomprehensible to me that your believe is based on what's written in a book. My believe system has a more encompassing foundation, but also goes with what makes sense according to historical evolution. How do you know what you know? Because it is written in one book? Hmmm. I also wonder how you believe such thing. It makes sense to me that early christians worshipped the Sun. It makes sense that somebody could have suppressed it from the official story. I do not claim it to be truth.
The trouble with "Luciferian" and Kabbalistic stuff and "magick," brokenhomekid, is that most of it developed in the middle ages. Sure, you have modern practitioners who will claim that it goes all the way back to Solomon or Noah or something, but there's really no evidence for that. It'd be like the Freemasons claiming to be derived from the Templars or the ancient Egyptians or something (btw, that story isn't true either). It's just legend.
There is no evidence for most of the stuff in the Bible and you seem not to be troubled by that. Magic may be troubling for you but not for them, XSC3. You equate magic with devil. That's also a believe. They do not have that believe.
6miranda0, it may all be based on "faith" and thus not provable, but at least I can look at the old records and say "okay, so they believed Jesus was both a god and a man at the same time, somehow). I can't find these documents where they believed he was the Sun. So I have no evidence anyone believed that back then. Do you? Who is "them"? I'm not talking about "magic" as if it were evil, I'm saying that the documents you're talking about were written hundreds of years after Solomon.
if that makes you happy I accept your believe to be good for you. I believe Jesus to be as divine as we all are. He was just so much more evolved. It is this evolution what made Jesus my best candidate to be called the Son of God. BecauSe He broght us lots of LIGHT AND LIVE. Just as the Sun does every morning. Many people can hold this symbolism to be very meaningful and truthful. This is not paganism. We are not confusing Sun with God, as we do not necessaily confuse TRUTH with manifestation.
If we're all equally divine, what makes Jesus special? That he was "more evolved"? Interesting. Though I am guessing you're talking about some philosophical or spiritual evolution, because genetically, you don't evolve as individuals.
Yes, the evolution of consciousness, not philosophical but consciousness, a term already accepted by the scientific community and agreed upon under a conceptual frame.
More evolved individuals are closer to God, not genetically since according to my believe God had no genes, God is not an incarnated entity. So, the point of being divine makes sense to me from the point of view of our consciousness, from our energetic component. WE do not only got a body but energy (consciousness).
genes mutation is not totally understood (nothing to do with the current argument). Mutations may happen in individuals first. I do not think Jesus had divine genes, he incarnated as one more man, in a human body with normal genes. The expression of his genes was divine indeed, very enlightened, very healthy. This is the thing. Not everybody with the gene for breast cancer gets breast cancer. What defines the expression of the genes?Food for thought.
But Origen would say that people who worship the Sun or the Stars, while they are more reasonable than people who worship demons or rocks, are still missing the point. We should worship the most high God, who created everything, and that is the purest, most rational form of worship. The rest just drags us down and hinders our own soul's progress upward.
rationality has nothing to do with believe. These are two different brain functions, so, I think eveyrbody should go and be comfortable with his/her spirituality. Spirituality should not have a fixed structure becasue nobody can prove almost anything. Spirituality to me is an evolving process, I know that evolution is anatema for Christians but not for me. So, I am OK with having an evolving spirituality. It feeds my existance and it guides me through.
I'm not saying spirituality is wrong, 6miranda0, I'm just asking where it came from. Did you just make it up?
If a person say, wants to believe that Tarot cards have power to tell the future, that's fine. But as long as they realize that this was a belief that appeared in the 18th-19th century, NOT (as some claim) an ancient practice that came from the time of the Pharoahs or something (no evidence for that).
where does the Bible come from? Who made it up? AS long as you realise that your Bible appeared somehow somewhere, too; and then, What's ancient? Were Celts ancient?...Paganism is ancient practice..So, what's the barometer to measure truth? There are Shamans in all ancient civilizations. Are they then evidence of truth?
6miranda0, For Christians, as well as Jews, God created the Sun. Jesus, as the Word of God, existed with God in the beginning (like Sophia or the Logos), so he could not really be the Sun up in the sky. The incarnation applies to his body, not celestial bodies. Even Origen would say you're way off base: the Sun in the sky is one of the souls in the beforetime that sinned, and as its penance, it was given that glorious body and a task to take care of the earth.
So, do you have evidence that God created the Sun? Jesus exsited with God oin the beginning of time. Do you ahve evidence for that? There we go XSC3, we all fantasise. That's why for me my believe is not so relevant. What is relevant for me is living my spirituality.
6miranda0, the Bible that Christians were saying was the inspired word of God, 2,000 years ago, says in Genesis 1 that God created the Sun. These Christians were also saying, in the Gospel of John, that Jesus, the Word of God, existed in the beginning with God and was God. So that makes him before the Sun and the Sun's creator. That's what they believed. No evidence they believed Jesus was the Sun itself. You don't have to agree, I'm just saying that's what they believed.
6miranda01, my point is, there's as much evidence that the early Christians were Sun worshipers as there is that they worshiped the moon or the planet Venus, rocks, or sheep. By that logic, we can make up whatever we want to, because every word Jesus ever spoke wasn't recorded. That's fine if you want to use your imagination and faith to come up with that, but you can't say it's "credible" because you're not basing it on any evidence.
I totally agree. The entire Bibkle is full of things that has not been proven and Christians still believe in them, starting from the Adam and Eve story. So, we all fantasise, and so we all have our believe systems. Believe system is not the same as TRUTH.
Vatican City State is what's left over from the Papal States, which was land acquired and/or given to the Pope over the centuries since the time of Constantine. When people say "the Vatican" they mean the leadership of the Catholic church. However the Vatican was not always the location, and people tend to forget that. It's anachronistic to refer to the "Vatican" as Catholic before 1378.
its not jus the vatican about the pope people say that christ was the founder of the catholic church and he wasnt he was the founder of the faith of the catholic and protestant church contantine was the founder of the catholic church and Martin Luther the founder of the protestant. and about king salomon yea he wrote the book which was dated to his time. The Lesser Keys Of Salomon. that were we get mondern day kabbala and luciferian magick taken for what it is called to as the Gaia
How could Constantine found the Catholic church, since it was in existence hundreds of years before he was even born, brokenhomekid322?
The Protestant church didn't exist until the 16th century. While many of the Protestants did derive themselves from Catholicism and carried on some important aspects of the faith, others departed far from it.
Which book of Solomon are you talking about? I think most scholars would disagree with the notion that the "lost" book was written by Solomon himself.
well that not true because there was no bible then because of the concil that Constanine made was what decide what books were in the bible so you how could there even be a church if there wasnt even a book and thanks for the king Solomon if looked it up and you were right but you have to admit that his name is largly used in the occult
brokenhomekid322, the Christians had an Old Testament by this time, it was known as the Seputagint (LXX). The New Testament was not yet collected into a "canon" that was agreed upon (it was still under debate for years after Constantine's death btw). The books in dispute were the non-Pauline letters and Revelation, as well as a few books that some felt were inspired and should be included (Apocalypse of Peter, Epistle of Barnabas, Didache, Shepherd of Hermas, and the ODES of Solomon).
another thing if this video was real then jews lied to cuz they said they crucify jesus for being an imposter well who the heck will crucify the sun if that was the case??? you ppl lied too
PRETTY01487 I do not believe you to be serious with this remark of crucifying the Sun. But are you? The expression Sun of God is full of symbolism, as the expression Son of God is full of symbolism,too. We are all Sons and daughters of God. We are all Suns of God, too. Believe systems have barriers and limitations. That's Ok, too, unless we confuse reality with believe systems. There is my/your believe system and then there is REALITY.
saying someone is a "sun of god" is really only true on a very symbolic level. The sun gives off rays of light. So you could give off rays of God's love to others. The thing is though that we're more like the moon, which reflects light (the sun generates its own light). The Sun would be like a metaphor for God (but not Godself, because God does not need to be created, while the Sun and stars do; those heavenly bodies are also finite, while God is eternally pre-existent and immortal).
i believe in jesus christ but i still got alot to learn i dunno everything from bible and since i dunno cuz i dont understand certain things i can't follow certain things until i learn about it
Pretty, I recommend you check out preventingtruthdecay(.)org(/)zeitgeistpartone(.)shtml
Even if you don't agree with the argument of the site, it has many useful links, including to scholarly commentaries and interviews on the topics. You will learn a lot, trust me! Feel free also to PM me, as I'm studying to be a scholar someday.
Look at the symbolisms of the Christian Church and the symbolism of so called "pagan" origin. This is where you see similarities, not necessarily in the English language. Do not let the word "pagan" scare you. Paganism has been demonised by earlier power seekers and as such it has bad unconscuious implications. If you can: be objective and look at the symbolism. Whether Jesus existed or not is beside this point indeed.
ok lets get the symbolism strait the vatican not the christian church but the Catholic church yea there a difference King Salomom was a pagan and the catholic church took the star of david which is pagan but has nothing to do with jews or christians because king solomon was wise but he was a kabbalist was witchcraft and that were that came from. Christ is not a sun but the SON of god what you say about how jesus is a sun god has no scholerly records and was just made up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
many things has been made up for the Christians to believe,by-the-way. All those representatives from so many religions who share with Christ so much in common are Sons of God. Since the representation of God in this material dimension is the Sun, then there is this play of words which is so meaningful: The Sun of God and the Son of God. Both things are true even if they are not materially the strict truth. There is lots of symbolism which accounts for all we do not know.
I haven't seen any credible evidence that the pre-Christian deities were really all Sun Gods, or that Jesus and these figures were that much alike, 6miranda0. But if you'd like to debate the evidence with me in a rational and civilized manner, please send me a PM (private message). Thanks!
XSC3, I have not seen the evidence either, however it makes sense. I love Jesus Christ and have had very close encounters with Him. I am however not exclusive but spiritualy inclusive. Nature, to me, is not devoided of divinity. The fact that the Sun is the material representation of God in the Universe suggests to me that there are many Suns of God and Sons of God. This paradigm is valid to me and for the rest, believing to me is not so spiritualy relevant I prefer to live my spirituality.
6miranda0, the trouble with that is that if you feel our Sun is the "manifestation of God in the universe" then what about the other countless billions of stars in the universe (many of which are much larger and brighter than our sun)? Why would we want to worship the Sun, which was created by God, rather than God him/her/itself? I'm just curious what you think of that. Jesus never claimed to be a Sun God, and this claim that the early Christians were Sun worshipers is just confused nonsense.
Read again, XSC3.I didn't write the word manifestation. The Sun is for me the material representation of God for us here on Earth. I worship God and believe at the same time nature to be divine. No contradiction there for me at all. Not everything Jesus said was recorded, so I do not know if He said something about that. I find it credible for early Christians to have been Sun worshipers, and this claim does not create anxiety or contradiction for me. Still God is much more than the Sun indeed.
So if we lived in a different solar system, would we have a different "material representation" of God, or should we pray to the earth's Sun?
What happens in 5 billion years when our Sun dies? Jesus seemed to be pretty strong on the whole one God thing. If you want to get technical, he said the wine and bread were his body and blood, not the Sun up in the sky (which would have saved a lot of time if that's what he meant), right? There's no evidence they were sun worshipers.
brokenhomekid322, that didn't quite make sense. The Vatican is simply the headquarters of the bishop of Rome (though historically it was located at St. John Lateran for centuries, and it was in Avignon France for awhile before that), head of the Catholic Church (the Pope). Catholicism is as Christian as they come, considering its historical roots go all the back to the first century. King Solomon was a Jew, even if he married some non-Jewish wives. The accounts of his magic are rather late.
momin2004, if someone posts a video on youtube and enables comments, then people have the freedom to respond, INCLUDING to criticize it. If the poster doesn't want to hear that, he/she can remove posting privileges or delete comments. Nobody asked him/her to put it up in the first place. But this is an open forum. How can people make informed criticism if they haven't watched it? The movie makes claims, people respond. That's natural.
Jesus is said to have risen from the dead on a Sunday. According to the New Testament, the early Jesus followers were meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to pray, break bread (eucharist) and take up collections. So you can see that this Sunday worship started very early on. As Paul taught that strict adherence to the Mosaic Law was no longer important for Christians, it's no surprise that this stuff went away as more gentiles joined the movement.
Jesus is innocent of Modern Christianity: "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-Who is forever praised".Bible-Romans 1:25)
And immediately he(paul) began to proclaim Jesus, Saying "He is the son of God"Acts 9:20
Jesus:"These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men:"Bible-Matt 15:7
Interesting... usually I hear this argument coming from atheists and others with similar views. Although this info is aimed to refute christianity, I look at it as a remark on the likelihood of most all major religions. People have tied these facts to buddhism, hinduism, islam, and the like.
Gee, it says in Genesis 1 that God created the Sun. John 1 says that Jesus existed with the Father from before all things. So I guess you're wrong Sanvean9! ;)
6miranda0: The book known as "Genesis" is believed by most modern critical scholars to have been compiled by a Redactor (a scribe or group of scribes whose names have been lost to history), from four sources (Yahwist, Eloist, Deuteronomist, and a Priestly source). These sources were based on oral traditions and possibly also lost written traditions from Moses and his followers.
Oh btw, 6miranda0, what I said about the authorship applies to the whole Torah (Pentateuch, the first five books: Genesis-Deuteronomy), not JUST Genesis.
Heh you can think that everything you need to know about the 'Most High' is in the bible if you want, im not tryna be right, and im not devaluing the bible by saying the "Most High' is bigger than a book if anything im humbling myself by acknowlegding that the knowledge of the 'Most High' cannot fit in the palm of my hand;) ok see ya!
acharya s is constantly being proved wrong over and over and over. Even the history of horus which she states in her books can not be found anywhere but her books. Egyptiantologist sites list a completely different history of horus.
Lots of good points, but for "Christ's sake", PLEASE fix the spelling and grammar mistakes....one example...you say "has long since past away", it should be "passed".
May I here invite Truthseekers to look into my video favourites.
*JESUS 888. In Greek Gematria.
*JESUS. Conceived 11th September 3BC. Born 17th June 2BC. Star of Bethlehem was conjunction of Jupiter & Venus. Jupiter 88,800 Miles diameter. Brian was 888 days old 17th June 1946. Peace.
Hi GothemcityX. It would be accurate to say that B.C. stands for Before Con. The Con is the devils deception. The devil has structured its own system, deceiving the whole world. The devil knows its time is short. Not long now. Peace.
Hi GothemcityX. It would be accurate to say that B.C. stands for Before Con. The Con is the devils deception. The devil has structured its own system, deceiving the whole world. The devil knows its time is short. Not long now. Peace.
And Jews copy Babylonians for their 'holy books', and Babylonians perverted VEDAs and we see the story of Sun-god 'Shamash' and Moon-god 'Sin'('SINaI' is a derivation of it!)as a repetition of VEDAs story of Krishna, the Sun-avatar, born within the MOON-clan of 'Yadu'(the Jews anagramated their 'Yuda' similarly);
Here, the author tries to promote Jewish DAEMON 'yahveh'(yhwh). It is a public secret who Sun and Sun-cult is, but nothing has been said here about the origin of the 'god' yahveh?....THIS is to be examined and searched after..- the origin and characteristics of Jewish daemon 'yahveh', who is to be found back into VEDA's pantheon of 'fallen devas', known a daemon "ye-Shiva"(a parody of Lord Shiva, THE MOON CULT administrator of Lord Vishnu, The Sun-cult God).
God's Rivals by Geral Mcdermott explains Iranaeus (contemporary of Paul & John) believed God as a pedagogue. That is he reveals himself multiculturally and his final revelation was Christ the HISTORICAL person. Most of this is Gnostic gobbledy gook. The gnostics were not Christians and have no credibility.
i'm sorry but this vidio is totaly incorrect, suday is the day Jesus rose from the dead (like a mini easter, the phrase is SON of God not sun. Also pagan symbols were put in the church because they still held their culture even after they converted (for example the celtic cross is a cross with a sun on it. the fact that symbols are from paganism dosent mean we worship pagan gods. (or the sun for that matter.
Sunday was named for the day of the Sun to be worshiped just like Saturday was named for the worship of Saturn, which is why the Jews go to the heir temple on Saturday, while Christians go on Sunday..not cuz Jesus was resurrected on Sunday
its the exact same thing with the Jews on Saturday and Jesus wasn't his actual name, Yashuea Ben Yosef was..and Jesus never died becuz he never existed according to the ROMANS
"Jesus never died becuz he never existed according to the ROMANS"
So the Romans came out and said "Jesus never existed?" Well I really wouldn't trust them considering at that time they didn't believe in Jesus and were persecuting his followers.
Daniel7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14: And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed"
"A figure of Horus as a baby was laid in a manger, in a scenic reconstruction of a stable, and a statue of Isis was placed beside it. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis—the original Madonna and Child. Horus was the rising sun, the sun of the east. He was the daily saviour of mankind, saving us from perpetual darkness. He was the light of the world. His birth festival was a Christmas without Christ."
anyone ever seen posidon people still worshipped him, made him into a statue, claimed his birthday. blah this is all a joke., Jesus says there are false christ before and after him.
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
John Gwyn Griffiths " Pyramid Text line 632"
isis "placed opon thy phallus and thy seed comes forth into her"
NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH
notjam3 4 months ago
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Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
notjam3 4 months ago
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John Gwyn Griffiths found this for the claim of " Pyramid Text line 632"
isis "placed opon thy phallus and thy seed comes forth into her"
NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH
that's my source and reference. where is yours?
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
acharya s and peter joseph exposed with "NO REFERENCES FOR THEIR CLAIMS"
notjam3 4 months ago
and what's the moon?
Witchelow 7 months ago
cool video except the fear propaganda in the end .. silly
holystrawberry 9 months ago
Sun Day..
elazar79 11 months ago
@elazar79 pagan catholic sun worship is condemned in the bible "Deut 17:3 "And has gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded"
notjam3 4 months ago
@elazar79 Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
notjam3 4 months ago
In Germania, they commonly reffered to Jesus as "Heallend" or healer".
But the second invasion of post-Latin peoples (The normans) gave them the name of "Jesus" and it's pronunciation.
The symbols in the Catholic church do have similarities with pagan religions , but those similarities in nature , are the only similarities. The doctrine itself is Hebrew, complete with the whole set of Jewish laws , traditions , etc, up to the very neck of Judaism.
Nothing pagan about Yeshua Bar Yosef.
alexross8 1 year ago
Jesus has nothing to do with a "Sun God". Further more , you obviously are trying to link a subconscious suggestion into people's minds by making them think that "sun" and "son" are somehow cognates.
Zeus and Iesous have nothing in common. The council of Nicaea wa sheld in Turkey under ROMAN authority, not Greek (Which is totally different).
However , the new testament did have a greek manuscript and it did read something like "Iescua" (Yeshua), which became Iesous.
alexross8 1 year ago
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The pope is the beast of rev 13 he is the anti christ ,daniel and the lord JESUS warned us about. The pope changed the sabbath day killed the saints and called himself equal to God just as daniel and revelation tells us the beast would do. infact rev 17 says the beast sits with the false church in rome. The last pope will be the beast the lord JESUS TOLD US NOT TO WORSHIP . the last pope will make a new world order his illumanati freemasons and jesuits have been working on it for 100's of years
lacatuscovalschi 1 year ago
The Native americans Chant Ya ha way ha...it is the four directions.... They are the lost tribe. It is the Heart song...it is about the center. The Aquarian Calendar aligns with YHWH If you believe in YHWH then The Sun is the Son of God... Aligning with the Sun and Solar energy would have been and will be good for the environment.
aquariancalendar 1 year ago
People need to wake up and realize that we are living in hell, SATAN is the sun, he is an angel of light, hidden in plain sight everyday. He can incarnate into human bodies RA/HORUS/AMEN/MOLECH/LUCIFER , and has done so overtime taking positions of power among spirits that were tricked into incarnating into an inferior flesh body. Jesus tried to tell people that our real kingdom is not of this world, but of the spirit world. This earth is Satans Hell, the illuminati still worship the sun devil
HealingVibrations 1 year ago
Sorry, cannot accept that God 'hates' or is 'jealous'. That is baloney from Constantine's bible.
k0smon 1 year ago 2
Judaism is the root of sun God.
MrMagnaGrecia 1 year ago
everything in the universe is energy. God is simply positive energy or love! evil, Satan, killing another human being, hate etc = negative energy, wat elite believe. Jesus, even if just a story, lived love - put forth positive energy - which is why he was God in the flesh! The story should b remembered 4 all of us 2 put forth positive energy the way Jesus taught us. Constantine & the roman empire -the elite -all infiltrated / created religions, the bible & Quran. PAGAN.
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
@MopDMTBARTL That doesn't make any sense.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@Satanicallyfree
"God" is merely a personification of "everything that forever exists".
Time had no beginning, and is endless.
Space and "matter' always existed, and will always exist.
"God vs Satan" is just another way of saying "Good vs Evil", which are merely perceptions of our (individual) Universe.
Good and Evil are in the mind of the beholder.
END OF STORY.
socamaestro 1 year ago
@socamaestro Time has a beginning. Our universe started to expand which in turn created time through the movement of matter and energy resulting in the fabric of space/time. There is no good and there is no evil. All there is is survival. You either go on living or you don't. What you have to do to sustain yourself and maximize the potential for humanities continued existence is it. There are no constants in an ever changing universe. Only reality. What is good today is not good tomorrow.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@Satanicallyfree
You seem to be on the right track.
But unless you can PROVE to me that time has a beginning, I will continue to BELIEVE that Time has no beginning.
socamaestro 1 year ago
Yahweh is actually Jehovah in the Masoretic text...and it is a spin-off name of Jove--the god in egypt. Moses (if he even existed) started the cult on Mt Sinai, having come out of Egypt and knowing the religion/mythology thoroughly. So Judaeism as well as christianity is a pagan myth that sprang from Egypt. All bible religions are myths and are therefore forms of cults. The only way to know God is through creation and our conscience, not bibles and creeds written by corrupt men. Sorry--
layout1070 1 year ago
Sure, many pre-Christian cultures saw the Sun as a living being, but the interesting question is: Were the ancients right - is the Sun a living being? This intuitive understanding was wiped from our culture by Christianity, hijacking dates and legends in the process.
My book on the subject looks at the implications of the 'yes' answer and the science supporting it. Sun of gOd takes the lid off the biggest cover up of all time! Google or Amazon it for more. Gregory Sams, author
gregorysams1 2 years ago
why do all religiou people capitalize all the words that refer to their religious beliefs? that shows false respect, if it was true it wouldn't need that crap, do scientists capitalize evolution?
errskin 2 years ago
This video is only going to fool people stupid enough to think anybody spoke English back then.
OneEyedJack1970 2 years ago
Are you Stupid, the adoration of Yahweh comes from the Cananites and Babylonian adoration of God Yah or also known as El, your interpretation is wrong the Judaism we know nowadays just has 2700 years as the ancient religions are very much older than Judaism new form.
Meinemutta 2 years ago
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The Sign From the West bears the esoteric message to look to the West instead of the East. As the rising sun symbolizes the heart of Evil, the setting sun represents the end of Evil. It is time to abandon worship of the sun - time to abandon Evil.
LoveAndLiberty1776 2 years ago
God is so amazing, he has created an amazing universe, he is just incredible. But when it came to earth what happened, he must of been tired or something, he has forgot the basic principles of life ie photosynthesis, he created the earth and life on it before the sun, oops! and what about the creation he really loves, well he created us with blind spots, and a jaw that is not big enough for our teeth or is it he has created too many teeth to fit our jaw, plus many more design problems.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
God is the Sun and As the Bible Says and the Prayer It is written before all of us.. No one is deceiving anyone but self.. As it was in the beginning, the souls worshipped the SUN, So shall it be in the end.. There is no other GOD but The SUN and that is the Soul of Souls.. Any other thing is error and deceit.. GOD truly lives and never for one day has forsaken his children.. Man will fool you because he wants to rule over you, but he is not stronger and cannot overcome GOD the ONE and Only !
vibesprofesser 2 years ago
Solomon was a sun god also and Solomon's temple is a temple of light. Sol = sun in latin, Om = sun in eastern religions, and On was the city of the sun in Egypt.
badjesus666 2 years ago
what day do you all worship saturday or sunday
shyytim 2 years ago
I worship on Sun Day. Get it Sun Day.
mrpower328 2 years ago
Friday :)
MoShow3000 2 years ago
God is Sun !
dormiroM 3 years ago
bullshit
InSaNeXGuYz 3 years ago
That's all you have to offer?
BOX5500 3 years ago
However, the ODES of Solomon is NOT the text you're thinking of, brokenhomekid322. Let me guess, you're getting this from a half-remembered viewing of "Banned from the Bible" special and the Da Vinci Code, right? Odes is considered canonical by the Orthodox church, and is comprised of prayers and quotations from the rest of the bible. The other books you speak of were never seriously considered for inclusion in the canon, and the canon was NOT settled at Nicea.
XSC3 3 years ago
no im accually not ive done research because of my own about king solomon whether he was a kabbalist or not his name is still widly spread in the occult and I know this because i tried out paganism and found it was stupid and had no real logic. Can you tell me this how was the canon not decided by the concil of Nicea id like to your source. But I do know of the books that you have refered to. I only have a copy of the gnostic bible and not the other that you talked but can we message instead
brokenhomekid322 3 years ago
The thing is, a lot of stuff in "occult" circles was confused interpretations from 18th/19th century Europeans (many of whom were out to make a buck), amateurs who were fascinated with anything "exotic" (and gurus who were all to willing to tell them what they thought they wanted to hear). Thus we need to be skeptical and evaluate our sources, brokenhomekid. PM me.
XSC3 3 years ago
Sorry, he actually started it in the 50's, but I think you get my point.
XSC3 3 years ago
6miranda, let me use another example. Scientology didn't exist before L. Ron Hubbard came up with it in the 60's. We have no evidence anyone believed that stuff before then. There are about 500,000 people who believe Scientology is true. Fine. They're free to do that. But if they were to say that 5,000 years ago people believed in Scientology, they'd need to show some evidence for that. If they can't, no reason to believe that people back then did.
XSC3 3 years ago
OK Celts were Pagans before Christians appear. Is paganism truth?
6miranda0 3 years ago
One more thing. Many of us believe truth to be progressively revealed to humanity because we firmly believe in the evolution of consciousness. WE know more as we are more capable of handling TRUTH. It does not necessarily denies ancient believes but challenges and enriches them. Progressively revealed truth can also help in clarifying ancient symbolism, since we do not necessaily believe ancient texts to be literally truth. This may explain why Scientology is OK for scientologists. It just may.
6miranda0 3 years ago
If righteousness is a function of our genes, doesn't that sort of turn morality on its head, 6miranda0? If I'm "born bad" then it's not my fault if I live a wicked life, is it? So I'm not responsible? Or is there some kind of "gene therapy" for being of bad seed? Curious what you think of that, if that's the direction you were going (and I am not saying I agree with that either).
XSC3 3 years ago
I'm not asking you to "prove the entire Bible" I'm just talking about what evidence do we have for the (positive) assertion that Jesus = Sun God, or that the early Christians worshiped the Sun. If we have no evidence for this, what reason should we assume it was true? It's not as if the Bible says it's true, and so it's not even comparable to the faith claims of the Bible (ie: that God exists, that Jesus is God's Son, miracles, etc). The Sun God thing is based on NOTHING. That's my issue with it
XSC3 3 years ago
The story in this video makes enough sense for me to give it a chance. I give chance for truth to some things in the Bible, too. It all depends on my own believe system. I have my own reasons to believe the Sun to be the representation of God for us here on Earth. Many reasons. So, it makes sense to me (and to other people indeed)that Christ as all those other dieties are Suns of God. The events in the Bible are not proven to be historical either. I do not claim anything to be absolute truth.
6miranda0 3 years ago
The sun is a creation of God,and yes all things have a nature of GOD.Humans of course go astray and end up worshipping the creation rather than the creator,this is where sin comes in and a need for a savior to redeem us and show us the truth of our Creator.
6gording6 3 years ago
Our concepts of reality is no more than what we collectively agree to be real. "We"-in this context- refers to a group of people. Different groups of people agree upon different concepts and claim their private concept to be "the" definition of reality. To my opinion all definitions of reality are limited, including the scientific definitions of reality and indeed the fundamentalistic ones, as well as the definitions contained in the Bible. The Bible was written by humans.
6miranda0 3 years ago
Ok everything you just said was useless.But anyways not only was it written by humans but was inspired by God and their own testimony of the Supernatural.
6gording6 3 years ago
your statement is a reflection of your state of mind. Your ideas about reality are limited to your perceptions and to the concepts imprinted in your mind by those before you. Your reactions to my comments is no more than an expression of who you are.
6miranda0 3 years ago
XSC3 HERE IS the difficulty. I am OK with youR believe in the Bible as TRUTH. However it is not evidence for the rest of us. The difficult arises when I am told that my believe is a fantasy because I have got not evidence, as if you've got scientific evidence for your believe. Believes are believes and there is no rationality about them. Then there is TRUTH, incomprehensible for ALL of us including christians. We do not have scientific evidence that christians have the TRUTH. Neither do you.
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0, at least if I believe something I can say "well the Bible claimed it happened." Where do you get the "Jesus was the Sun God/Christians worshiped the Sun" from? It sounded like you were saying it was a historical event. So wondered how you knew that. If you just made it up, fine. Do you have some ancient document written by Christians saying they were worshiping the Sun? What evidence do you have that they weren't actually worshiping Cheese?
XSC3 3 years ago
it is incomprehensible to me that your believe is based on what's written in a book. My believe system has a more encompassing foundation, but also goes with what makes sense according to historical evolution. How do you know what you know? Because it is written in one book? Hmmm. I also wonder how you believe such thing. It makes sense to me that early christians worshipped the Sun. It makes sense that somebody could have suppressed it from the official story. I do not claim it to be truth.
6miranda0 3 years ago
The trouble with "Luciferian" and Kabbalistic stuff and "magick," brokenhomekid, is that most of it developed in the middle ages. Sure, you have modern practitioners who will claim that it goes all the way back to Solomon or Noah or something, but there's really no evidence for that. It'd be like the Freemasons claiming to be derived from the Templars or the ancient Egyptians or something (btw, that story isn't true either). It's just legend.
XSC3 3 years ago
There is no evidence for most of the stuff in the Bible and you seem not to be troubled by that. Magic may be troubling for you but not for them, XSC3. You equate magic with devil. That's also a believe. They do not have that believe.
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0, it may all be based on "faith" and thus not provable, but at least I can look at the old records and say "okay, so they believed Jesus was both a god and a man at the same time, somehow). I can't find these documents where they believed he was the Sun. So I have no evidence anyone believed that back then. Do you? Who is "them"? I'm not talking about "magic" as if it were evil, I'm saying that the documents you're talking about were written hundreds of years after Solomon.
XSC3 3 years ago
if that makes you happy I accept your believe to be good for you. I believe Jesus to be as divine as we all are. He was just so much more evolved. It is this evolution what made Jesus my best candidate to be called the Son of God. BecauSe He broght us lots of LIGHT AND LIVE. Just as the Sun does every morning. Many people can hold this symbolism to be very meaningful and truthful. This is not paganism. We are not confusing Sun with God, as we do not necessaily confuse TRUTH with manifestation.
6miranda0 3 years ago
If we're all equally divine, what makes Jesus special? That he was "more evolved"? Interesting. Though I am guessing you're talking about some philosophical or spiritual evolution, because genetically, you don't evolve as individuals.
XSC3 3 years ago
Yes, the evolution of consciousness, not philosophical but consciousness, a term already accepted by the scientific community and agreed upon under a conceptual frame.
More evolved individuals are closer to God, not genetically since according to my believe God had no genes, God is not an incarnated entity. So, the point of being divine makes sense to me from the point of view of our consciousness, from our energetic component. WE do not only got a body but energy (consciousness).
6miranda0 3 years ago
genes mutation is not totally understood (nothing to do with the current argument). Mutations may happen in individuals first. I do not think Jesus had divine genes, he incarnated as one more man, in a human body with normal genes. The expression of his genes was divine indeed, very enlightened, very healthy. This is the thing. Not everybody with the gene for breast cancer gets breast cancer. What defines the expression of the genes?Food for thought.
6miranda0 3 years ago
But Origen would say that people who worship the Sun or the Stars, while they are more reasonable than people who worship demons or rocks, are still missing the point. We should worship the most high God, who created everything, and that is the purest, most rational form of worship. The rest just drags us down and hinders our own soul's progress upward.
XSC3 3 years ago
rationality has nothing to do with believe. These are two different brain functions, so, I think eveyrbody should go and be comfortable with his/her spirituality. Spirituality should not have a fixed structure becasue nobody can prove almost anything. Spirituality to me is an evolving process, I know that evolution is anatema for Christians but not for me. So, I am OK with having an evolving spirituality. It feeds my existance and it guides me through.
6miranda0 3 years ago
I'm not saying spirituality is wrong, 6miranda0, I'm just asking where it came from. Did you just make it up?
If a person say, wants to believe that Tarot cards have power to tell the future, that's fine. But as long as they realize that this was a belief that appeared in the 18th-19th century, NOT (as some claim) an ancient practice that came from the time of the Pharoahs or something (no evidence for that).
XSC3 3 years ago
where does the Bible come from? Who made it up? AS long as you realise that your Bible appeared somehow somewhere, too; and then, What's ancient? Were Celts ancient?...Paganism is ancient practice..So, what's the barometer to measure truth? There are Shamans in all ancient civilizations. Are they then evidence of truth?
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0, can you reply to me over Private message? Click on my name and then in my profile click "send message."
XSC3 3 years ago
6miranda0, For Christians, as well as Jews, God created the Sun. Jesus, as the Word of God, existed with God in the beginning (like Sophia or the Logos), so he could not really be the Sun up in the sky. The incarnation applies to his body, not celestial bodies. Even Origen would say you're way off base: the Sun in the sky is one of the souls in the beforetime that sinned, and as its penance, it was given that glorious body and a task to take care of the earth.
XSC3 3 years ago
So, do you have evidence that God created the Sun? Jesus exsited with God oin the beginning of time. Do you ahve evidence for that? There we go XSC3, we all fantasise. That's why for me my believe is not so relevant. What is relevant for me is living my spirituality.
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0, the Bible that Christians were saying was the inspired word of God, 2,000 years ago, says in Genesis 1 that God created the Sun. These Christians were also saying, in the Gospel of John, that Jesus, the Word of God, existed in the beginning with God and was God. So that makes him before the Sun and the Sun's creator. That's what they believed. No evidence they believed Jesus was the Sun itself. You don't have to agree, I'm just saying that's what they believed.
XSC3 3 years ago
6miranda01, my point is, there's as much evidence that the early Christians were Sun worshipers as there is that they worshiped the moon or the planet Venus, rocks, or sheep. By that logic, we can make up whatever we want to, because every word Jesus ever spoke wasn't recorded. That's fine if you want to use your imagination and faith to come up with that, but you can't say it's "credible" because you're not basing it on any evidence.
XSC3 3 years ago
I totally agree. The entire Bibkle is full of things that has not been proven and Christians still believe in them, starting from the Adam and Eve story. So, we all fantasise, and so we all have our believe systems. Believe system is not the same as TRUTH.
6miranda0 3 years ago
Vatican City State is what's left over from the Papal States, which was land acquired and/or given to the Pope over the centuries since the time of Constantine. When people say "the Vatican" they mean the leadership of the Catholic church. However the Vatican was not always the location, and people tend to forget that. It's anachronistic to refer to the "Vatican" as Catholic before 1378.
XSC3 3 years ago
its not jus the vatican about the pope people say that christ was the founder of the catholic church and he wasnt he was the founder of the faith of the catholic and protestant church contantine was the founder of the catholic church and Martin Luther the founder of the protestant. and about king salomon yea he wrote the book which was dated to his time. The Lesser Keys Of Salomon. that were we get mondern day kabbala and luciferian magick taken for what it is called to as the Gaia
brokenhomekid322 3 years ago
How could Constantine found the Catholic church, since it was in existence hundreds of years before he was even born, brokenhomekid322?
The Protestant church didn't exist until the 16th century. While many of the Protestants did derive themselves from Catholicism and carried on some important aspects of the faith, others departed far from it.
Which book of Solomon are you talking about? I think most scholars would disagree with the notion that the "lost" book was written by Solomon himself.
XSC3 3 years ago
well that not true because there was no bible then because of the concil that Constanine made was what decide what books were in the bible so you how could there even be a church if there wasnt even a book and thanks for the king Solomon if looked it up and you were right but you have to admit that his name is largly used in the occult
brokenhomekid322 3 years ago
brokenhomekid322, the Christians had an Old Testament by this time, it was known as the Seputagint (LXX). The New Testament was not yet collected into a "canon" that was agreed upon (it was still under debate for years after Constantine's death btw). The books in dispute were the non-Pauline letters and Revelation, as well as a few books that some felt were inspired and should be included (Apocalypse of Peter, Epistle of Barnabas, Didache, Shepherd of Hermas, and the ODES of Solomon).
XSC3 3 years ago
another thing if this video was real then jews lied to cuz they said they crucify jesus for being an imposter well who the heck will crucify the sun if that was the case??? you ppl lied too
PRETTY01487 3 years ago
PRETTY01487 I do not believe you to be serious with this remark of crucifying the Sun. But are you? The expression Sun of God is full of symbolism, as the expression Son of God is full of symbolism,too. We are all Sons and daughters of God. We are all Suns of God, too. Believe systems have barriers and limitations. That's Ok, too, unless we confuse reality with believe systems. There is my/your believe system and then there is REALITY.
6miranda0 3 years ago
saying someone is a "sun of god" is really only true on a very symbolic level. The sun gives off rays of light. So you could give off rays of God's love to others. The thing is though that we're more like the moon, which reflects light (the sun generates its own light). The Sun would be like a metaphor for God (but not Godself, because God does not need to be created, while the Sun and stars do; those heavenly bodies are also finite, while God is eternally pre-existent and immortal).
XSC3 3 years ago
i believe in jesus christ but i still got alot to learn i dunno everything from bible and since i dunno cuz i dont understand certain things i can't follow certain things until i learn about it
PRETTY01487 3 years ago
Pretty, I recommend you check out preventingtruthdecay(.)org(/)zeitgeistpartone(.)shtml
Even if you don't agree with the argument of the site, it has many useful links, including to scholarly commentaries and interviews on the topics. You will learn a lot, trust me! Feel free also to PM me, as I'm studying to be a scholar someday.
XSC3 3 years ago
ok all there doing is comparing sun to son worship and the only conparison is in the english language how stupid are theses people
brokenhomekid322 3 years ago
Look at the symbolisms of the Christian Church and the symbolism of so called "pagan" origin. This is where you see similarities, not necessarily in the English language. Do not let the word "pagan" scare you. Paganism has been demonised by earlier power seekers and as such it has bad unconscuious implications. If you can: be objective and look at the symbolism. Whether Jesus existed or not is beside this point indeed.
6miranda0 3 years ago
ok lets get the symbolism strait the vatican not the christian church but the Catholic church yea there a difference King Salomom was a pagan and the catholic church took the star of david which is pagan but has nothing to do with jews or christians because king solomon was wise but he was a kabbalist was witchcraft and that were that came from. Christ is not a sun but the SON of god what you say about how jesus is a sun god has no scholerly records and was just made up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brokenhomekid322 3 years ago
many things has been made up for the Christians to believe,by-the-way. All those representatives from so many religions who share with Christ so much in common are Sons of God. Since the representation of God in this material dimension is the Sun, then there is this play of words which is so meaningful: The Sun of God and the Son of God. Both things are true even if they are not materially the strict truth. There is lots of symbolism which accounts for all we do not know.
6miranda0 3 years ago
I haven't seen any credible evidence that the pre-Christian deities were really all Sun Gods, or that Jesus and these figures were that much alike, 6miranda0. But if you'd like to debate the evidence with me in a rational and civilized manner, please send me a PM (private message). Thanks!
XSC3 3 years ago
XSC3, I have not seen the evidence either, however it makes sense. I love Jesus Christ and have had very close encounters with Him. I am however not exclusive but spiritualy inclusive. Nature, to me, is not devoided of divinity. The fact that the Sun is the material representation of God in the Universe suggests to me that there are many Suns of God and Sons of God. This paradigm is valid to me and for the rest, believing to me is not so spiritualy relevant I prefer to live my spirituality.
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0, the trouble with that is that if you feel our Sun is the "manifestation of God in the universe" then what about the other countless billions of stars in the universe (many of which are much larger and brighter than our sun)? Why would we want to worship the Sun, which was created by God, rather than God him/her/itself? I'm just curious what you think of that. Jesus never claimed to be a Sun God, and this claim that the early Christians were Sun worshipers is just confused nonsense.
XSC3 3 years ago
Read again, XSC3.I didn't write the word manifestation. The Sun is for me the material representation of God for us here on Earth. I worship God and believe at the same time nature to be divine. No contradiction there for me at all. Not everything Jesus said was recorded, so I do not know if He said something about that. I find it credible for early Christians to have been Sun worshipers, and this claim does not create anxiety or contradiction for me. Still God is much more than the Sun indeed.
6miranda0 3 years ago
So if we lived in a different solar system, would we have a different "material representation" of God, or should we pray to the earth's Sun?
What happens in 5 billion years when our Sun dies? Jesus seemed to be pretty strong on the whole one God thing. If you want to get technical, he said the wine and bread were his body and blood, not the Sun up in the sky (which would have saved a lot of time if that's what he meant), right? There's no evidence they were sun worshipers.
XSC3 3 years ago
brokenhomekid322, that didn't quite make sense. The Vatican is simply the headquarters of the bishop of Rome (though historically it was located at St. John Lateran for centuries, and it was in Avignon France for awhile before that), head of the Catholic Church (the Pope). Catholicism is as Christian as they come, considering its historical roots go all the back to the first century. King Solomon was a Jew, even if he married some non-Jewish wives. The accounts of his magic are rather late.
XSC3 3 years ago
OMG!!! If you dont like the video DONT FUCKING WATCH IT!!!!! Dont watch it and then bitch about how "wrong" it is. People are just fucking crazy!!!
momin2004 3 years ago
momin2004, if someone posts a video on youtube and enables comments, then people have the freedom to respond, INCLUDING to criticize it. If the poster doesn't want to hear that, he/she can remove posting privileges or delete comments. Nobody asked him/her to put it up in the first place. But this is an open forum. How can people make informed criticism if they haven't watched it? The movie makes claims, people respond. That's natural.
XSC3 3 years ago
I think most of the early christians were JEWS...and kept the Sabbath. It was organized christianity that brought sunday into the mix.
Eraserlips 3 years ago
Jesus is said to have risen from the dead on a Sunday. According to the New Testament, the early Jesus followers were meeting on Sunday (the first day of the week) to pray, break bread (eucharist) and take up collections. So you can see that this Sunday worship started very early on. As Paul taught that strict adherence to the Mosaic Law was no longer important for Christians, it's no surprise that this stuff went away as more gentiles joined the movement.
XSC3 3 years ago
sound like freaking halo3 ... Kids don't listen to a crappy bible say's, its crap made by human. But i still believe in Jesus and God. =)
And if there is a reply to me with a coment that say's(you must believe in the words of the bible) you can go fack ur self ass hole..
nctrls2 3 years ago
Interesting...
sayasitis 3 years ago
Jesus is innocent of Modern Christianity: "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-Who is forever praised".Bible-Romans 1:25)
And immediately he(paul) began to proclaim Jesus, Saying "He is the son of God"Acts 9:20
Jesus:"These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men:"Bible-Matt 15:7
is200uk 3 years ago
Once the Roman Latin church changed Immanuel's Hebrew name and identity from a messenger/angel to a sun god the cult of lies was born.
meak911 3 years ago
Interesting... usually I hear this argument coming from atheists and others with similar views. Although this info is aimed to refute christianity, I look at it as a remark on the likelihood of most all major religions. People have tied these facts to buddhism, hinduism, islam, and the like.
coreyk84 3 years ago
B i b l e thats the book for me i dont wanna be informed of anything that may disprove my flawless religion
god wrote my book
right before he fucked all of you with annoying christians who leave comments like this
fuckem
thesunofjuda 4 years ago
I was going to give you props on this video, but then you went on to say that Yahweh is the Sun. The Sun IS GOD!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
Sanvean9 4 years ago
Gee, it says in Genesis 1 that God created the Sun. John 1 says that Jesus existed with the Father from before all things. So I guess you're wrong Sanvean9! ;)
XSC3 3 years ago
Who wrote the Genesis?
6miranda0 3 years ago
6miranda0: The book known as "Genesis" is believed by most modern critical scholars to have been compiled by a Redactor (a scribe or group of scribes whose names have been lost to history), from four sources (Yahwist, Eloist, Deuteronomist, and a Priestly source). These sources were based on oral traditions and possibly also lost written traditions from Moses and his followers.
XSC3 3 years ago
Thanks XSC3
6miranda0 3 years ago
Oh btw, 6miranda0, what I said about the authorship applies to the whole Torah (Pentateuch, the first five books: Genesis-Deuteronomy), not JUST Genesis.
XSC3 3 years ago
Job 41
Aquariuswell 4 years ago
only things we have to know are the things in the Bible,God gave us that,nothing more,nothing less..
RemyZandbergen80 4 years ago
When you trully desire to love and know God you will open your mind to more than just a book.
Zellust 4 years ago
just a book,hmm okay ur right;)see ya
RemyZandbergen80 4 years ago
Heh you can think that everything you need to know about the 'Most High' is in the bible if you want, im not tryna be right, and im not devaluing the bible by saying the "Most High' is bigger than a book if anything im humbling myself by acknowlegding that the knowledge of the 'Most High' cannot fit in the palm of my hand;) ok see ya!
Zellust 4 years ago
ur so damn right,but to be honest with ya i simply dont give a f*ck about this topic today:Dso have a nice evening and a good week..peace
RemyZandbergen80 4 years ago
I feel you, sometimes you juss dont care, peace and guidance... Bless.
Zellust 4 years ago
acharya s is constantly being proved wrong over and over and over. Even the history of horus which she states in her books can not be found anywhere but her books. Egyptiantologist sites list a completely different history of horus.
hieratic5 4 years ago
acharya has been debunked
Nerflight2 4 years ago 2
read the book Pagan Jesus
POWERequalsGOD 4 years ago
A very Soulful video.
drossq 4 years ago
Stephen I. Paul! That has to be made up name!!!
drossq 4 years ago
Lots of good points, but for "Christ's sake", PLEASE fix the spelling and grammar mistakes....one example...you say "has long since past away", it should be "passed".
charlieparis1 4 years ago
May I here invite Truthseekers to look into my video favourites.
*JESUS 888. In Greek Gematria.
*JESUS. Conceived 11th September 3BC. Born 17th June 2BC. Star of Bethlehem was conjunction of Jupiter & Venus. Jupiter 88,800 Miles diameter. Brian was 888 days old 17th June 1946. Peace.
shiningcamel 4 years ago
if Jesus was born in 3B.C. which stands for BEFORE CHRIST, then why the fuck did 2B.C. an 1B.C stand for?? Christians use no logical sense
GothemcityX 4 years ago
He was supposed to be after that but apparently whoever made the system only counted 30 years of age.
Don't generalize a whole religion on some dead guy's mistake.
DkEugen 4 years ago
Hi GothemcityX. It would be accurate to say that B.C. stands for Before Con. The Con is the devils deception. The devil has structured its own system, deceiving the whole world. The devil knows its time is short. Not long now. Peace.
shiningcamel 4 years ago
Hi GothemcityX. It would be accurate to say that B.C. stands for Before Con. The Con is the devils deception. The devil has structured its own system, deceiving the whole world. The devil knows its time is short. Not long now. Peace.
shiningcamel 4 years ago
you said that twice
DkEugen 4 years ago
And Jews copy Babylonians for their 'holy books', and Babylonians perverted VEDAs and we see the story of Sun-god 'Shamash' and Moon-god 'Sin'('SINaI' is a derivation of it!)as a repetition of VEDAs story of Krishna, the Sun-avatar, born within the MOON-clan of 'Yadu'(the Jews anagramated their 'Yuda' similarly);
ura4444 4 years ago
Here, the author tries to promote Jewish DAEMON 'yahveh'(yhwh). It is a public secret who Sun and Sun-cult is, but nothing has been said here about the origin of the 'god' yahveh?....THIS is to be examined and searched after..- the origin and characteristics of Jewish daemon 'yahveh', who is to be found back into VEDA's pantheon of 'fallen devas', known a daemon "ye-Shiva"(a parody of Lord Shiva, THE MOON CULT administrator of Lord Vishnu, The Sun-cult God).
ura4444 4 years ago
God's Rivals by Geral Mcdermott explains Iranaeus (contemporary of Paul & John) believed God as a pedagogue. That is he reveals himself multiculturally and his final revelation was Christ the HISTORICAL person. Most of this is Gnostic gobbledy gook. The gnostics were not Christians and have no credibility.
Gusdaberean 4 years ago
i'm sorry but this vidio is totaly incorrect, suday is the day Jesus rose from the dead (like a mini easter, the phrase is SON of God not sun. Also pagan symbols were put in the church because they still held their culture even after they converted (for example the celtic cross is a cross with a sun on it. the fact that symbols are from paganism dosent mean we worship pagan gods. (or the sun for that matter.
DkEugen 4 years ago
The day is Sunday, not Suday... Sunday, as in, the day of the sun.
nonnocere1980 4 years ago
It's called a typo. All you need to do is miss the N. Sunday was named by the Romans. As were a lot of other things. (Britain for example)
DkEugen 4 years ago
Sunday was named for the day of the Sun to be worshiped just like Saturday was named for the worship of Saturn, which is why the Jews go to the heir temple on Saturday, while Christians go on Sunday..not cuz Jesus was resurrected on Sunday
GothemcityX 4 years ago
"Sunday was named for the day of the Sun to be worshiped"
Yeah, named by the Romans.
We DO celebrate Sunday as the day Jesus rose from the dead, we can't help the fact he died on Friday, and Sunday just happens to be the third day.
DkEugen 4 years ago
WRONG
its the exact same thing with the Jews on Saturday and Jesus wasn't his actual name, Yashuea Ben Yosef was..and Jesus never died becuz he never existed according to the ROMANS
GothemcityX 4 years ago
His name was Jesus dumbass.
"Jesus never died becuz he never existed according to the ROMANS"
So the Romans came out and said "Jesus never existed?" Well I really wouldn't trust them considering at that time they didn't believe in Jesus and were persecuting his followers.
DkEugen 4 years ago
your slave gods will fall. that is all I have to ssay. in this case the glass is half empty.
luckyday31 4 years ago
Wow your scary.
Yahweh is the Demiurge.
Yeshua, and all other "Sun Gods" are the TRUE Christs, or "Anointed Ones"
isildae 4 years ago
Daniel7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14: And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed"
Sounds like Jesus Christ to me.
RedeemedinChrist 4 years ago
snore fest...this is like 2001 in extreme slow motion
aliengtr 4 years ago
"A figure of Horus as a baby was laid in a manger, in a scenic reconstruction of a stable, and a statue of Isis was placed beside it. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis—the original Madonna and Child. Horus was the rising sun, the sun of the east. He was the daily saviour of mankind, saving us from perpetual darkness. He was the light of the world. His birth festival was a Christmas without Christ."
yosef59 4 years ago
anyone ever seen posidon people still worshipped him, made him into a statue, claimed his birthday. blah this is all a joke., Jesus says there are false christ before and after him.
CrazyFirst1 4 years ago
So, based on your logic, then if something is worshipped, then that something is real. Sounds like your thinking is the joke here.
carsonwilder 4 years ago
"Virgin mother Isis"
Isis wasn't a virgin, she is described has having had intercourse with Osiris.
DkEugen 4 years ago
possibly was a result of .. dry humping. not true intercourse. haahaa /cheers man
dreamssofblue 4 years ago