Advice for a Vegan Bodybuilder

[TxSonofLiberty]

For those comparing notes on diet vs strength.

All Hominids (Great Apes including Humans, yes, we're great apes like Gorillas, Chimpanzees, & Orangutangs) are omnivores, but only humans actively seek to eat meat, & the others subsist on fruits unless it becomes scarce and will travel miles for fruit.

Largest Land Mammals are mainly herbivorous.

Strongest Insects are mainly herbivorous

The exception is Mites (Arachnids) which are necrovorous (they eat dead flesh, usually yours, even this second)

[Avaricious123]

I am a vegan, but it is soooo stupid when people use gorillas as an example as to why veganism is superior. How the fuck can you compare two completely different species that have two completely different genetic makeups?

[Mekelsior]

@Avaricious123 Ah so it is different now? Does not the evolutionist claim that we and them apes are pretty pretty close? ;) Anyway.. the idea is that you don`t get strong by eating plant food, the gorilla is a classic example, all big herbivores is a good example really, that you get enough protein to obtain the peak performance of whatever species you are. :)

[Avaricious123]

@Mekelsior Yes we are close to them and in fact we are both African Apes and are ultimately apart of the Great Ape family, but that does not mean that we are GORILLAS!!!

[Mekelsior]

@Avaricious123 I don`t maybe some people are close to them, like zoo keepers.. but the human race, are for sure not related to them in any way, they are primates we are hominids. Perhaps some scientist that ascribe to a certain phillosophy may believe that we are related, but I do not believe in that idea, so the argument is mute. Anyway, the gorillas serve only as an example against those that claim you will be weak if you eat only vegetables and plants. :)

[GlobalHealingCenter]

@Mekelsior Gorillas are Hominids too. That is the problem. We are in the Order Primates, and they are in the Super Family Hominodae and Subfamily Himininae. Yes, they are from a different Tribe (but Chimpanzees are in the same Tribe with us). And don't take offense at this, but cause of your Genus... You're a Homo :)

[Mekelsior]

@GlobalHealingCenter Exactly my point, just because some scientist decides to classify us as animals, does not mean we are animals. We are humans, we were created separate to animals and given dominion over them, people have however misused their mandate, God never gave us a commandment to kill to our pleasing, in the beginning we were created vegan, they did not use animal products at all. When sin came into being people began killing animals.

[TxSonofLiberty]

@Avaricious123 Your statement is incorrect. We're in the same Kingdom(Animalia), Phylum (Chordata), Class (Mammalia), Order (Primates), Suborder (Haplorrhini), Infraorder (Simiiformes), Parvorder (Catarrhini), Superfamily ( Hominoidea),

Family (Hominidae), & Subfamily (Homininae), as Gorilla. The only things we don't share with them are Tribe (Hominini) which we do share with Chimpanzees, genus, (Homo), species (Sapien), & subspecies (Sapien). We're far from completely different

[Avaricious123]

@TxSonofLiberty That is the lamest argument... I already know that we are very close, but that does not mean we are the same as gorillas. Just look at a human and look at a Gorilla. Gorillas do not need to lift weights they are naturally huge, not humans.

[TxSonofLiberty]

@Avaricious123 This makes us closer to Gorillas then any other species save for Chimpanzees, who are in the Genus Pan. If any other species are going to be good examples for genetic characteristics, it is Gorillas and Chimps. They're both our close cousins, and have so much in common with us that is is scary how few our differences are.

[Avaricious123]

@TxSonofLiberty That is far from the truth! OK they are our closest cousins, but that doesn't mean humans should be compared to them, or any other animal for that matter!

[GlobalHealingCenter]

@Avaricious123 We're animals... not minerals nor plants, we abuse animals by using them to test drugs to see how they will affect humans... it makes just as much sense to consider that what works dietarily should at least be considered for us. And Gorillas do lift weights, just not structured barbells and things designed exclusively for the purpose of exercise. Just because they use crude versions like each other and logs, doesn't make it any less a weight.

[Avaricious123]

@GlobalHealingCenter I am not denying the fact that we are animals, nor am i denying that it is morally right to kill and eat animal products. You can't build as much muscle on a vegan diet though than you can while eating animal products. More complete amino acids and you know this doc! I don't see anyone trying to compare us to Chimpanzees and Bononos who are closer to us than Gorillas...Comparing us to gorillas is really convenient isn't it.

[Shaw1023207]

you can't be vegan and vegetarian. LOL

[Mekelsior]

@Shaw1023207 sure you can :) It may be a little bit redundant.. a vegetarian is not a vegan, but a vegan can and is a vegetarian. =)

[TxSonofLiberty]

@Mekelsior Totally agree, it is a redundancy. That is like saying I'm a boy and a male. All boys are males, but not all males are boys :)

[Mekelsior]

@TxSonofLiberty Words and logic is indeed very funny. :)

[irlumir]

dude eat black beans with rice. a lot. Beans contain zinc wich estimulate your testosterone . Do not eat soy!!. Beans, rice, fruits. 6 meals a day is the best way to go, Cooked at night and eat your beans on the go (use some recipe to portion your food.) DO not use salt in cooking use it after cooked. Add some lemon juice. That is what i use. I gain 20 pound of muscle in a month (maybe less) Put some olive oil but not that much. and that is. Drink some green tea if you want.

[Mekelsior]

@irlumir Soy is good for you if you are able to get a good source, tofu is excellent for breast cancer and thyrode problems and those with low metabolism. I would disagree with the number of meals, because that will cause fermentation and acidity. A little salt is good, so the food isn`t boring. As for olive oil.. it is not healthy, green tea.. not healthy either.. go herb tea.. much better. As for the amount of protein needed.. not that much.. 0,75 grams pr kilo body weight. =)

[live0day]

hippopotamus is very fat in natural state

herbivores have fat is vital! they create fatty acids for energy -for that they eat all day

animals -defense mechanisms horns, running

plants - defense mechanisms biochemical, especially seeds

supplements? isn't that cheating you said you are a plant eater, Please eat grass and leaves in trees

but you can't extract fatty acids, incomplete amino-acids so you must take supplements or get sick

[Mekelsior]

@live0day The hippo is fat? It is thick skinned sure, but it does not have an excess of fat, it doesn`t need it, and unless you feed it the SAD Diet it wont ever get fat. Supplements may be needed, such as B12, and it is not cheating, it is doing what is common sense. As for faty acids, the body can convert it easily if plants are being consumed, we need what 1-2% fat in our diets. If you eat a low fat vegan diet you wont get sick, you will get very healthy.

[BluefruitNMusicSnow]

Intreresting.

Btw, luscious hair!

[leahcimrac]

Sun Warrior is ridiculously effective. It also has anticancer properties. If vegans waana gain quality muscle then eat Algae and Seaweed.

[seanowbo]

@leahcimrac are you serious??

[leahcimrac]

@seanowbo If i wasn't serious then i wouldn't post would I and before you turn into a youtube warrior research it yourself.

[KanyeTroll]

ARE VEGANS ALLOWED TO GET HAIRCUT???

[PhilMcCool]

@RomneyPHONY - Why are giving me those to watch? I never for a second doubted that vegans can build muscle. Were those videos meant for MultiTrollHunter?

[calico992]

Super Buff  -does not- equal healthy

[vaporsofgold]

Jericho Sunfire Elitom Ben Yisrael Pralad Jani Wiley Brooks Jasmuheen Akahi + Camilla Henri Monfort Mony Vital and Project Camelot, Disclosure Project...2012, 5th dimension and the grids Learn all you can about these names and things, and judge for yourself if it's food keeping your body alive or your mental attitude to just get up and...create your life? Food puts mass on the body. Ask yourself if anyone on ANY diet who doesnt train hard... do they get fit? No. Your body IS your mind/mindset

[KennedyCorey]

I dont understand. It seems to me that the best food for humans would be what humans ahve been eating for 100's of thousands of years....berries, fruit, vegs, nuts, water AND fish and game. Why has eating salmon and deer elk and such been considered to be so unhealthy as of late?

[esca8652]

I can NOT get full off a vegan diet. I eat sunflower seeds, peanuts, peanut butter sandwhiches, granola... and I just never can get full or energetic.

[MultiTrollHunter]

I got some decent : Eat some steak you fag.

[PhilMcCool]

@MultiTrollHunter - I've noticed you have nothing better to do with your life than go on videos about vegan bodybuilding and talk shit. Why does it bother you so much that some people are independent of animal products?

[gts5001]

dude you could get totally fat being vegan

[zizzyzam]

But yeah, bodybuilders not only put too much protein in but, they put steroids in there too. You seen what Jay Cutler eats? Dude eats 10 oz of meat like 5 times a day plus loads of protein drinks. Must be like at least 400 grams of protein, dude dont even weigh 400 lbs, so he taking in way too much protein. lol By the way I'm working on becoming vegan. :D

[zizzyzam]

He could add into his diet more sweet potatoes, and beans. like he said have 6 meals a day so that you have the protein and carbs commin in all day long. Anyways size of muscle doesnt always mean much when it comes to strength. Seen some small people with some pretty strong muscles for their size.

[obbob]

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[calico992]

I'm vegan, mostly, raw bodybuilder and I love your vid,

BUT largest land mammal is not silverback gorilla,

its elephant. (also herbivore)

however I think you meant the 'strongest' land animal...

Also, technically don't silver back gorillas occasionally eat termites? (Though very rare), which would make them omnivores.

anyway 8 out of 10 largest land animals are herbivores. (Exceptions being Liger and Polar bear)

Great advice other wise!!!

[zizzyzam]

@calico992 or he could have meant strongest primate? Think Elephants are stronger than gorillas.

[a2thej2008]

I like how people say look at the gorilla eating only greens and look how big and strong they are, so humans must be able to build on a vegan diet. First off we're not gorilla's, every human culture ever has included animal products. Secondly, gorilla's get a massive amount of protein cause they're eatting plant matter that is 20 plus percent protein and they're eating 20 plus pounds of food a day. Given that humans don't eat 20 plus pounds of food per day we need concentrated protein.

[mrbuster1964]

@a2thej2008 NO!!! NOT EVERY CULTURE EATS ANIMAL PRODUCTS!!! AS FOR THE PROTEIN MYTH...YOU ARE SO WRONG!!!! YOU BOUGHT INTO THE BULL SHIT OF THE MEAT, DAIRY AND EGG LOBBY OF YEARS AGO!!! DUDE, GET EDUCATED AND THEN RESPOND!!!

[5tonyvvvv]

@calico992 We live in a protein, gluten, dairy crazed country! and most Bodybuilders are not getting big from protein, its from the huge amounts of Steroids they use! Most of it is "the Protein Myth" back in 1970's the "Where the beef ads" by the food industry made Americans Protein crazy!, Its all Hype and a marketing scheme!

[Mekelsior]

@calico992 It is interesting to note that the polar bear is carnivore because of where they live, the bear is 70-80% vegetarian. The vegan in general, do swallow some insects during sleep.. so I think the silver back argument is still a good one. The Liger is as well a hybrid so we would not know how it would eat if under ideal circomstances. Worth noting again, even carnivores survive better on a plant based diet. Alpha Lion, eat the stomach contents of the herbivore for example.

[555Nato]

i agree on the our bodies were not made to keep ongrowing part.that's how nature functions.gorillas arent meant to be thin like a marathon runner ,we arent made to be gorillas ,unlike the natural gorillas under us.there are quite a few of those .

[555Nato]

it's a given fact that running marathons isnt very healthy either.those people get more tumors and such...and any strenght athetes do get old.take Karl Norberg the Swedish stongmen able to benchpress 140 kilo at age 82 one year before his death.suck on that

[Zephyrhillz]

This video is very outdated, there are specific vegan foods that are for body building. I'm not selling you anything, you can google them for yourself.

[iDeaTHeoRyi]

"I would recommend" I CAME HERE FOR YOU TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS NOT FOR YOU TO TELL ME TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO GIVE ME RECOMMENDATIONS >.<

[LittleEmoBoy001]

120 grams of protein a day, period. That is not too much. 200 grams a day is too much. Otherwise your body will catabolize muscle tissue and make you skinny-fat.

[zizzyzam]

@LittleEmoBoy001 the ratio is usually 1 gram protein per lb of body weight, so for a person that is 175 lbs they would eat 175 grams of protein within their diet for the whole day. It would be hard to calculate the actual total protein taken in as a vegetarian because though labels and all dont show protein being in fruits and all. They do contain protein. So even if someone only ate fruit they would still get protein in their diet.

[LittleEmoBoy001]

@zizzyzam

I was just citing the minimal amount needed to maintain any amount of mass. But that number is also for average sized males.

[joeybeck]

gorillas have been known to canableize when starving and ants are the strongests animals on earth they are known to carry 5 times there body weight?

[TxSonofLiberty]

@joeybeck Actually, no, ants are not. 1st, depending on the breed, ants can carry 60-120 times their body wight, & 2nd Ants are puny in their strength level compared to breeds of beetles which start at 400 times their body weight and some reach over 1100 times their body weight (The equivilent of a human lifting six full double decker buses), & mites, which are Arachnids (not insects) can do a bit more then that. So those microscopic things you swallow every night are the strongest.

[FreneticBoofs]

haha I'll try...It is inevitable I will fail though lol

[NuclearNympho]

what..?!! he is a Vegan and a Vegetarien???....LOL.... being 100% Raw Vegan is the best...green protein sources like spinach, broccoli, sprouted peas, etc, are great...wolfberries, Maca, Spirulina, Blue-green algae all complete protein. Those are all super-foods and are high in amino's...Raw Almonds and raw Almond Butter are great 2....also there is protein in everything

if he eats enough, works out enough, has sex enough and sleeps enough he will gain sexy muscle-tissue.

:-) yummy

[zizzyzam]

@NuclearNympho not only amino acids, but loads of fiber, water, antioxidents, and vitamins/minerals in the foods which is a lot healthier than simply eating meat that only contains protein, fat, colesterol, and some iron

[FreneticBoofs]

Why dont we just find ourselves some middle ground....and just eat INSECTS!!! Seriously, they taste not too bad, they are good for you, easy to breed and they are low on the food chain..Cmon!

[Dall5000]

@FreneticBoofs

Good luck trying to convince people that we should eat insects.

[NuclearNympho]

@FreneticBoofs well have fun with that...

[XforeverlongingX]

What is this guy, a naturopath? ugh. All of their nonsense is based on theories that almost never pass any kind of test.

[pangealabs]

um ....gorillas are not the largest land mammal. not even close.

[nwendt06]

@pangealabs he said strongest dumb ass

[pangealabs]

@nwendt06 Yeah he also said the LARGEST. At 2:32 dumb ass.

[pangealabs]

@nwendt06 Yeah he also said the LARGEST. At 2:32 dumb ass.

[pangealabs]

um...the gorilla is not the largest land mammal. not even close.

[dukkim80]

Would it be ok if i eat black beans for every meal?...like breakfast lunch and dinner

[LifeRegenRevolution]

@dukkim80

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[veganroadwarrior]

great advice. I use hemp protein and am considering Plant Fusion protein powders. I recommend mixing your protein shakes using a Magic Bullet, so blend three separate protein shakes to take with you on the go.

[mad8london247]

I've used hemp protein before, but have never heard of brown rice protein. Good point regarding the silverback gorilla.

Thanks for this video.

[WIGTRON5000]

yes and no. humans are not gorillas. we cant expect to build muscle similarly or we would all be ronnie colemans

[LifeRegenRevolution]

@mad8london247

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[UnhappySquancho]

LOL@ people who use the term "Hence why"

[Nutreas]

I forgot,

It is shown that more carbs lead to higher allergic reactions, cancer, death in children, etc. so keep continue eating your nuddles :)

Your diet as a vegan is simple not balanced, you lack a deficiency in essential amino acids which the body needs to work.

[Nutreas]

This video is not very convincing, statements without backup...

I like people wh o do a vegan approach, but come on please speak about things you really know and not this ....

[dothebartman259]

why would I get bloodwork done by a chiropractor...

[YouTroller]

Lawl.. I'm a vegan and I want to be a bodybuilder. I can't even think of a metaphor to describe that....

[4g63gen1]

I just said that HEMP PROTEIN its a heavy weight.

I see nothing wrong with eating fish, and organic chicken and supplementing with lots of veggies and fruit for optimum health. Eat 6 times a day and lots of water. Food variety is the key

[Th3Wab3]

It's simple in order to gain more wheght u need to eat more food that will help your body rebuild the torn tissue and bone that is Brocken for expansion in extreme weight lifting.. It's really just common sense.. Everything that u need can be found in veggies or meat.. Meat just to has cholesterol and higher fat.. While veggies contain more fibre that allows you to get rid of waste and keep your digestive tracts cleaner...

[Th3Wab3]

A common misunderstanding about the while protein myth is that fruits and vegies have none.. That isn't the issue we should look at what proteins are made of.. Amino acids the building blocks. And all ino acids can be found in fruits and veggies. It's actually more difficult and energy burning for the body to break down the polypeptide bonds hence why it takes so long to digest meat.. That is the root which is often overlooked...

[Th3Wab3]

Tiptoetable makes some strong points.. Excuse my digression Animal Flatulence: "one tonne of methane has about 33 times as much effect on the climate over 100 years as a tonne of carbon dioxide, rather than 25 times as in standard estimates." burning fossil fuels have nothing on mega factory farms.. These animals are fed corn. Look into the consequences.. The real/root issues aren't even addressed in most arguements...

[originalPurpleNinja]

Lmfao

you vegans are fucked hahaha

I find this hilarious

[earthtovenus]

what a moron...haha sitting next to his fucking doctor diploma whatever..

douche

[chitownbrowne]

what is wrong with soy protein?>?

[tiptiptapable]

The guy in the video isn't too bright despite him being a doctor. He says there is question whether or not protein is needed for building muscle...... DUH! Fruits and vegetables have protein..... fucking tool

[AngeMaxim]

we don't get any protein from fruits and vegetables - you're a tool shed - human beings can't break down cellulose where the amino acids in fruits and vegetables are. this doctor's analogy of the gorilla is so wrong i can't even believe he said that. the digestive tract of a gorilla is designed to get the amino acids out of the grasses and vegetation - just like an elephant, or even a cow. this guy is completely clueless despite his homemade diploma.

[tiptiptapable]

AngeMaxim: "we don't get any protein from fruits and vegetables "

Mentally deprived idiot. There is protein in fruits and vegetables which anyone can digest. Cellulose is fiber and protein is not in cellulose, fucktard. Silverback Gorillas the strongest human like animal on the planet eat purely vegetables and rarely insects and almost never meat. Silverback gorillas don't have a stomach system like cows. Cellulose cannot be digested - it is not protein, it is fiber.

[Bassball]

why do people think that because we are relatives of apes and primates that we are exactly the same? - read the book Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith and you'll certainly change your mind. Ruminants like cows ferment the grasses through several stomachs and larger animals like elephants, rhinos, and gorillas have a high pH level in their stomachs than human beings, and it is this that allows them to properly absorb and metabolize the proteins from vegetation. Before insulting people read more.

[tiptiptapable]

Correcting someone who has made a SERIOUS mistake who claims to have a PH D is not insulting. Anyone who has serious errors in their videos or in their text comments would be happy to have errors corrected and would greatly apologize for their errors. Claiming that there is PROTEIN in cellulose is a serious error, and correcting this is NOT an insult. I was called a tool shed - now that is an insult. Those people should treat others how they wish to be treated. NO protein in fruits is a lie.

[tiptiptapable]

Bassball, Lierre Keith is a non scientific opinionated and subjective fool. She knows nothing about the meat industry and how land is used. It is NOT hunter and gatherer land. Packed sheds full of commercial pigs is NOT sharing land with other animals. Clearing land for cows to graze on is NOT efficient use of space nor is hey making.

[tiptiptapable]

COWS eat hey. How do you think hey is made? wow the same way grains are made! Gee whiz, see the connection you moron? cows have to eat grains and the same foods that humans would eat as vegetarians. Skipping this step and just having humans eat the food directly instead of doubling up and going through the meat, is much more efficient use of space and land. All you have to do is put your little tiny thinking cap on and use logic and reason, unlike some idiots who write opinionated books.

[Bassball]

i don't think you've read the book because you're still missing the entire point. what she is saying is that while the idea of veganism is noble, the idea of AGRICULTURE itself is the problem, and so this moral high-horse that vegetarians/vegans ride on is hypocritical because what vegans eat damages the land just as much and in some cases more. eating conventionally farmed animals is wrong, but eating meat from a grass-fed, free range animal is the most natural thing in the world.

[tiptiptapable]

"while the idea of veganism is noble, the idea of AGRICULTURE itself is the problem"

I don't think YOU have read my comments. Cows eat agriculture. Humans eat cows. Pigs eat agriculture. Humans eat pigs. By eating meat, you are consuming MORE AGRICULTURE than if you would have eaten it directly. I think you need to do some critical thinking before assuming you've come to the correct conclusions. A cow and pig spend most of their energy in flatulence, keeping warm. This is all wasted.

[ValkyereHowie]

@tiptiptapable Your body doesn't not treat substance correctly when too combined with other substances and thus diluted. For instance, water. Your body does not proccess water correctly when combined in other drinks like soda. If you drink soda and believe you are also intaking thorough amount of water, you are mistaken. This can be said with eating animals that eat grains/vegetables/fruits ect.

[topheramazz]

please read her book before you start "dissn" it. seriously it's a great book and it's loaded with references to peer reviewed nutritional, botanical and anatomical research papers. it was very enlightening.Lierre Keith understand very well how conventional/commercial meat and produce is cultivated and she is highly against it ,as am i. please read her book and u will see. thanks...

[tiptiptapable]

toperamazz, you're living in a dream world. The only way to feed this world is through commercial meat or commercial grains. We aren't going back to being apes and doing hunting and gathering. It's either agriculture, or meat. And meat is produced from agriculture - more agriculture is wasted due to animals burning most carbs off as heat. She doesn't know this single fact and never will understand it. Cows that are grass fed.. supposedly the best meat available, have their lands cleared.

[topheramazz]

it's obvoius u havn't read the book.she covers this topic twice in her book first in chapter3 "political vegetarians" and again in chapter5 "to save the world". i would suggest u read it and checkout the bibliography and references about 40 pages worth. great stuff. good luck

[tiptiptapable]

Sorry but I have her interviews about the book and know all about her moral/political categories. I refuse to purchase a book from someone who I do not wish to support financially. I would get it from a library, but never give her a dime. I have my own huge garden which I "cleared", but once I cleared it I grew all sorts of plants on it and several different animals live in there including wasps, bees, salamanders, lizards, bunny rabbits, and moose even walk around the area through my lawn

[tiptiptapable]

As for her big nonsensical rants about cellulose and us not being able to digest it for energy - this has nothing to do with the problem. Cellulose is energy and we don't need energy. People get plenty of energy. She is ranting about the wrong thing. Many animals are not able to digest cellulose and it is actually the bacteria that digest it - but it is not required to get energy out of fruits and vegetables. It is only required to get energy out of eating WOOD BARK which we do not eat.

[tiptiptapable]

And if you idiots think there is no such thing as protein in fruits and vegetables, try fucking using your keyboard for a few minutes and type in VEGAN BODY BUILDING.

Mental idiots. GTFO youtube or die.

[MrCosteffective]

damn, this guy is a moron :( he recommends vegans not use meat to get protein...dumbass

[ACEBAKER911]

Dude check out these 2 incredible videos

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RAW VEGAN MYTH

[muchlove59]

You do know that you don't have to eat meat to get protein right?

Fucking idiot

[ComeWalkTheTalk]

good point, huh? ;)

[marcluc1988]

He recommends vegans not to use meat to get protein. They're VEGANS! Do you know what a vegan is? You're the dumbass!

Vegans do NOT eat meat!

[MrCosteffective]

lol, that struck me as ludicrous also :D

[TxSonofLiberty]

@marcluc1988 He's recommending a Bodybuilder, who is also a Vegan, not resort to eating meat, and thereby give up his Vegan ways, just to build larger muscles. It is like telling a girl who wears a promise ring to not have sex with her boyfriend who is pressuring her, just to make their relationship stronger... just because some has chosen a path doesn't mean they won't slip when the pressure is on.

[Mekelsior]

@TxSonofLiberty If she waits until they marry, their relationship does get stronger.. :)

[TxSonofLiberty]

@Mekelsior Just as maintaining a Vegan diet and building his body will in the end a better situation for the question asker. That was actually sort of my point :) Dr. Group was just reaffirming that there is no need to resort to meat protein, just to reach the seemingly easy success.

[Mekelsior]

@TxSonofLiberty Yepp agreed.. there is no need to resort to meat in any case to maintain any kind of body shape. Plants will in every area be superior in the long run, and that is what counts anyway. =)

[HolidaySeason4Ever]

Mike Mahler has some really great articles about building lean muscle on a vegan diet.

[ACEBAKER911]

The best vegan vids on here are by

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[Potato0verlord]

I've put on just over 40lb in 5 months eating traditional and raw mixed (i'm 5-7 so that's not bad).  I know other vegan bodybuilders will use protein shakes but I haven't seen a need. I eat two meals a day and do short heavy reps for mass (maximum 8 reps).

Keeping those calories up, using low reps with high weight, and avoiding overtraining seems to be the key.

[NorthCentralMass]

I agree that a lot of bodybuilders advocate too much protein, however I've also been told that hemp has xeno-estrogen properties and should be avoided by bodybuilders (not even to mention how bad soy products are) but I'm no expert. Silverback gorilla's have different enzymes to break down plants which may suggest that humans evolved to be omnivores but only should consume small amounts of meat.

[Bramendor]

First off, there is nothing wrong with being a vegan. Thats your choice. There is also nothing wrong with eating meat. Thats my choice.

If you want to convince me that eating strictly a vegan diet is what I should do, and that we should outlaw sualterhouses and such, you will need extreame proof and results that will make it worth the effort to grow enough food to feed the billions of humans.

The video consides in the start that it is hard to gain weight for that athelete. =/

[meberic]

Vegetarian animals have enzimes to digest vegetables completely, that´s why they can create muscle with their diet. Humans can´t unfortunately...

[TheAnimadey]

Lawl.

They may be more healthy that meat-eating humans, but as far as intelligence goes, I think it would be more logical to say that it's genetic.

And when it comes to animals, which is smarter: the chicken? Or the fox that eats the chicken?

[shteener]

.also the quantity of grass you'd have to eat to be like a silver back gorilla is enormous and we would never even come close.....so perhaps cooked animal protein is essential for higher brain function development...the proof....humans.....( the only animal that eats cooked animal protein and the only animal with higher brain function....coincidence? no such thing)

[shteener]

the comment i keep hearing from vegan promoters about the silver back gorilla's diet has one huge gaping flaw......the silver back gorilla never evolved into an intelligent being, we did, and when did we historically?......it was when humans started eating COOKED ANIMAL PROTEIN..

[shteener]

why are you so defensive?...not very zen of you now is it?...and as for calling my comment stupid, well you have no more research than i do to back up your statement....only dogma.....and i said cooked meat......it wasn't to prove my point correct but merely to provide an alternate possibility. be well

[jparfitt9]

i apologize for the stupid comment. that wasnt very zen of me i agree. as far as personal experience goes my problem solving abilities and overall brain function noticeably increased after i went vegan for a couple months. sorry again about the comment. i just get upset sometimes about the horrible misuse and abuse of our animal resources on this planet.

[shteener]

also as far as the lions and tigers comment...that works both ways......why use gorillas as your example?.....if a strict vegetable diet makes you so strong then rabbits should be super buff.....just trying to point out that maybe the reason that silver backs are so strong has nothing to to with their diet...

[xxxIzekeIxxx]

fuck you. theres nothing normal about eating animals, despite what we've all been taught.

[JeanLouie1106]

Stand all the vegan bodybuilders/gym goers, next to all the normal diet bodybuilders/gym goers, who will be stronger and have bigger muscles? I think the answer is obvious. The guys on the normal diet.

[niggabartlebee]

however,... That gorilla has evolved to be that strong, over hundred of years of evolution. He wasn't just born and fed vegetables and now hes the strongest pound for pound.

[StoryeTime]

Yes but gorillas were designed to be that big.

When you are a bodybuilder you are transforming your body which was not suppose to be that "big" in the first place...

There is a good video on youtube by this guy who's a triathlete I think and says that protein is a myth in that sense we get enough protein from veggies, look it up "is protein a myth" or something like that, sorry I can't remember his name, I know his video is in my favorites somewhere though...

[satinhooks]

depending on what you mean by 'big'. if you mean body distortion through abusive ways to gain muscle mass quickly, then yes.

However, human beings are designed to be strong and very powerful. Something many of us sitting in front of computers all day tend to forget or overlook.

The potential for a powerful mind and body are there. The culture around us tells us otherwise... and even worse, through misinforming the population we find many people taking shortcuts, like steroids to get 'big'.

[VedicIntelligentsia]

I believe you are talking about Tim VanOrden from "runningraw."

[Bishea]

Also check out Vega's whole food supplement! It's vegan and hemp-protein based, but it contains a lot of extra vitamins and minerals, including B12 (a plus if you're a vegan). I know of many massive vegan bodybuilders who use it, as well as endurance athletes.

[xvegx]

nice, thank you.

[RobTheChief]

Answer: Quit one or the other.

[TxSonofLiberty]

@RobTheChief Sound advice, not nice but practical, however that doesn't make it the right advice. That same advice would work for many things, but it is also insulting to people who have chosen a path or believe in something.

Hey, I know, why don't we all quit eating, that way we won't consume harmful things, it works too :) And it solves the issue permanently, we'll never eat another toxic substance or excess of any substance ever again if we all just stop eating.