Socialist Equality Party members call for general strike in Madison after bill passage

[NVUltra1]

So Andre Damon is not a worker, so what?

I failed to notice his opportunism b/w all his comments about the need to politically break from the Democrats and trade unions in order to form independent rank and file committees, but wait...that's probably the part that bothers you.

[Pinheader1]

The SEP is doing the right thing by intervening in this struggle.

[Quntable]

No war but the class war!

[pulsatingremedy]

How strong is the presence of left-wing organizations in Wisconsin at the moment?

[jeffreylloyd1414]

@lucite11

No, it's the unions that are dividing the working class. I'm middle class and I'm tired of living in the 4th highest tax burden state while the public unions keep asking for more. Youmake up 7% of the population and the rest of us are tired of paying for your lavish bennies. Retire at 55, teacher emeritus programs, an overpriced healthcare plan provided by the union owned company,etc, etc. You folks have to start thinking for yourselve'sand not just parroting your union leaders

[ZakeD3]

@jeffreylloyd1414

What about this video makes you think anyone here is "parroting union leaders"?

[lucite11]

jeffreylloyd1414, congratulations on falling into the trap of dividing the working-class, against each other.

[markytn]

Does't the SEP have any serious speakers? Andre Damon sounds like child thowing a tantrum, and in other parts he pretends to be a worker affected by the budget cuts in Wisconsin when in truth he is not even a member of the working class, why can't he speak honestly to the demonstrators?

[markytn]

@yabbieroad To be a member of the working class implies a certain relationship with capital, one that Andre Damon doesn't have. But here he acts like he is a member of working class and tries to portray himself as one of workers being attacked by the cuts. Why? Maybe he thinks the crowd will repond better than if he told them the truth, that he is a socialist. In other words this is a form of opportunism, in this regard its not suprising that he makes no reference to socialism in his remarks.

[yabbieroad]

@markytn I think you need to clean you ears out.

He clearly states, "my name is Andre Damon I'm from the Socialist Equality Party and I am from Detroit".

He is a socialist and a true working class hero AND PROUD OF IT. He hides nothing as he has nothing to hide.

Free speech means you are free to continue to make a jackass out of youself should you wish to continue to do so

xx

[markytn]

@yabbieroad The video is obviously edited together and in the first part he makes no such introduction. No amount of apology can hide this fact. In the first part he pretends to be a worker, and why doesn't make any mention of socialism in the entire video if he is proud to be a socialist?

By the way, in the SEP there isn't free speech, I'm surprised my comments have stayed attached to this video. Whoever runs this channel deleted my first comment, and would probably like to delete this too.

[yabbieroad]

@markytn

Your problem is denial

[markytn]

@yabbieroad Your definition of "worker" is subjective, whereas mine is based on classical Marxism. What does it say about the educational work of the SEP if members can't even identify the difference between a "worker" whos pay is derived from the suplus value of exploited laborers and an actual member of the working class whos labor forms the basis of surplus value?

This is not a value judgement upon the work that he does, it is an analysis of his social class.

[yabbieroad]

@markytn

Andre Damon is in fact a student, does he get paid for his work with the SEP, I couldn;t say? I know for a fact the vast majority do not, they give up the time and effort for a cause they believe in. The arguement re surplus value is misleading, confused and erroneous. All workers are paid a portion of what they produce, they are not paid out of surplus value, surplus value is extracted from them. Andre Damon is not an employer he extracts nothing from no-one. Back to Marxism 101

[markytn]

@yabbieroad To put it simply, Andre Damon is a petty-bourgeois, payed from the surplus value of a capitalist enterprise, maybe you didn't know this, but this is the case for party workers of the SEP.

[yabbieroad]

@markytn

You are saying that Andre Damon hides his affiliations based on a portion of speech of ONE video, This is the basis of your argument? How do you know he didn't identify his affliations as he did outside--you don't, you are making wild assumptions. So the whole program of the SEP is emodied in Andre Damon who ALONE is trying to intruduce socialism by stealth. Is this a joke?

[markytn]

@yabbieroad This is clearly an example of opportunism, if there was more substantial (i.e. socialist) content in his speech why wouldn't the editor of the video feature this in the video? Instead the WSWS features this video with an absense of socialist content with a party worker posing as a member of working class.

[ZakeD3]

@markytn

Do you know Andre Damon?

[ChrisMarxist666]

@markytn Say it to Andre's face you fucking petty bourgeois troll.

[markytn]

@ChrisMarxist666, thanks for your feedback, SEPers have a lovely way of expressing themselves, but If anything, pointing out his opportunism here is as effective or more effective than trying to track him down and tell him person.

[yabbieroad]

Go Andre Damon---its Bolshevism or bust.!!!

GENERAL STRIKE

[lucite11]

This is awesome.

We're watching this in Canada.

[Asopful]

The question is: how much is the working class/society prepared to suffer in order to stabilise and rescue the capitalist system from its own inherent contradictions and tendency to go into crisis?

[jeffreylloyd1414]

Yes, do a general strike when Unemployment is at 9%, brilliant move. No will line up for the jobs you abdicate,lol

[Exordium100]

@jeffreylloyd1414

Idiot, do want the workers to just lay down and accept what Walker and the ruling class are attempting to do here? There couldn't be a more appropriate time to fight back than now! If the bosses try to bring in scabs, I'm sure the tens of thousands of striking workers can easily block them from getting into any building.

[Howler]

@jeffreylloyd1414 So what is your suggestion? Take what crumbs we can get? Is there some time you imagine would be better for a fight? Unemployment isn't going anywhere but up. This anti-democratic bill isn't an end, it's an opening salvo against the working people, It marks a new, even more nakedly dictatorial phase, begun 30 years ago under Reagan and the PATCO strikes. The General strike isn't a laugh out load idea--far from it, the logic of events demand it!

[jeffreylloyd1414]

@Howler My suggestion is YES, take the "Crumbs" like only paying 12% of your healthcare when everyone in the private sector pays more, maybe work till 60 instead of retire at 55 (Oh, the humanity), actually PAY YOUR OWN PORTION of your pension like anyone WHO'S LUCKY ENOUGH TO STILL HAVE A PENSION does, do your damn job instead of relying on tenure to keep you employed. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. You twits say you're standing up for the middle class and I call BS, your ruining teh middle class

[Groyneable]

All the way to revolution!

[Jupiter646]

The ruling class can handle protests and street marches, but when a general strike happens, they start to sweat. I say make them sweat!

[Cambso]

Everything depends on the workers being able to counter the conservatism and duplicity of the union bureaucrats and the Democratic Party. Any faith in the abilty of mainstream liberal/social-democratic organizations to defend the interests of workers will be disastrous.

[1990trip]

This is vewry powerful, and a General Strike will be the only answer to this attack on the working class.