Explore the science behind "Mitochondrial Eve" and you might find that, once again, the science agrees with the bible. Our common ancestor existed about 200,000 years ago.
WHAT IS HE SAYING?...HOW COULD EVERYBODY COME FROM A SINGLE COUPLE OF PEOPLE?.....HIS PROPAGANDA IS OUT OF THIS WORLD!...THE GREEKS SPOKE THE TRUTH!...THEY ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!..THE JEWS COPIED EVERYTHING,.AND THEY COPY IT .VERY BADLY!...
READ THE Apocrypha,..TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THE JEWS ARE! ...DO YOU THINK THE GREEKS WOULD EVER WRITE FALSE INFORMATION ?..KNOWING HOW THEY WERE?...I DO NOT THINK SO!..
The Greeks were astonishing individuals and always strive for excellence,which was the method from which they achieved such phenomenal accomplishments; and they really were extraordinary. Their accomplishments astound us to this day. They were so far in advance of many others in the world,they will never give false knowledge to the world!...The bible is a Jewish conspiracy, forcing the gentiles to give up all occult knowledge ,so all the power ,is in their hands for total control!
WE KNOW THE TRUTH!..The story of Prometheus,and the story of Deucalion and Pyrha,IS A CODED information,and who ever wants to decoded it . could use the GREEK LANGUAGE ,AND WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH, SINCE THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS CODED LANGUAGE ,AND EVEN IF ALL BOOKS IN THE WORLD DISAPPEAR,..GREEK LANGUAGE HAS THE ABILITY,TO REWRITE HISTORY!..HAVE A GOOD DAY!
HE SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE THE PEOPLE DESCENDED FROM ONE GOD?..HE IS LYING!...IN THE BIBLE THEY SAY THAT .. Japheth HAD seven sons: Gomer, Magog, Tiras, Javan, Meshech, Tubal, and Madai. According to Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews I.6):Josephus subsequently detailed the nations supposed to have descended from the seven sons of Japheth........
Meshech: Phrygians, Illyrians, Caucasian Iberia, Russians, Georgians..........HMM...THIS IS WHAT THE JEWS WANT!..TO HAVE THE FIRST WORDS THAT THEY ARE THE ORIGINATORS OF EVERYTHING!.....IT WONT WORK WITH US!....WE ARE NOT DESCENDED FROM THEM!..THEY COPIED EVERYTHING FROM THE GREEKS!.........OUST! .
WHEN WE SAY THAT ,. they threw the rocks behind their shoulders and the stones formed people. Pyrrha's became women; Deucalion's became men,..it has a very deep metaphorical meaning,and you have to know the Greek language in depth in order to understand what the meaning is!...
DO NOT FORGET ALSO THAT THE JEWS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ELOHIM=GODS,..AND NOT ELOAH=GOD,..DOES THAT SHOWS THE LIES OF THE JEWS THAT THEY TRY TO CREATE A SINGLE GOD,...BY COPYING OTHERS?...THE GREEKS WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CRONOS=XRONOS=TIME,.. Earth (Gaia) gave birth to Heaven (Ouranos); Night & Erebos gave birth to Day. Gaia then mated with her son Ouranos,And the rest,they are talking about the creation,..with metaphorical meanings and not about the creator of the world...the GOD...
READ ALSO ABOUT THE implication of Abraham deferring to Abimelech's polytheistic beliefs,WHICH THE JEWS TRY TO AVOID!....IF THE JEWS WERE THE ORIGINATORS ,AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUE CREATION,...HOW COULD THEY NAME ALL THE TERMS OF THE CREATION?...DO THEY HAVE ANY NAMES..CODED NAMES?...........NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!..OFF COURSE NOT!!!!
THE GREEK COSMOGONY-THEOGONY THAT THE FOREIGNERS CALL “MYTHOLOGY” - IT EXPRESSES UNDER ALLEGORICAL FORM THE CURRENT SCIENTIFIC PERCEPTIONS!......READ TO LEARN!
The material mentioned on the Greeks is reconstructed from Homer, but Hesiod's 'Theogeny' is about as old, and was the most influential in the Greek world-view of the time, with a much different genealogy of the gods and a different story of the creation of man.
Also, it is important to mention, the radical notion of one creative force creating all things, with one common ancestry comes from Egypt under a 'radical' Pharoh named 'Akhenaten', and his name was Aten, which is the root for the Hebrew/Canaanite name for lord 'adonai'. On a side note it was the root for the Persian god 'Adonis'.
I do love these lectures, and the hope that people will take an interest in the scholarship of ancient culture, their religions, word-views, and myths.
Genesis is fiction:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
FossiIs exist because of the flood. So we dont evolve. Everything was wiped out so we are what remain. Also a force must exist to counter the desolation of abomination. To stop the crimes you all commit in the name of god. Or we all die.
@Pasqh Oh Puleeze! The Flood?? Are you serious?? Look, if all land animals came off the ark how come we only find Marsupials in Australia? Why aren't they found all over the world? They have no trouble surviving in other similar environments as evidenced by the plague of Possums in New Zealand introduced from Australia.
And Evolution is a FACT just like Gravity is a fact. The only theory bit is how they work.
So no biblical flood, probably a large local flood at best.
Religion is perfectly logical, so long as you are able to keep in mind that Genesis was an understanding of the world by ancient people and should not be taken literally.
So God sat back and let ignorant men include silly mistakes in His message to mankind, which make it inaccurate and laughable? A CEO does a better job and getting his word out to his employees than that.
God also would know that that was false. So why wouldn't He have made sure that correct information was in His message to all mankind?
God would have know that was incorrect, but humans back then wouldn't have. What we find in the Bible is what we would expect to find if it were written by the ignorant men of that time, with no input, influence, assistance, or inspiring by an all-knowing, all-powerful being.
is the Israelites, Understanding of God, based on him and how they perceived him.
Interactions with Jesus carrying the message from God in the latter part is a indirect influence (Direct if you believe is also God not just Gods son)
AS far as choosing another option to write the scriptures, What other form of life would be an alternative option to write the scripture. Mankind wrote it because it was ment for mankind.
You still didn't explain HOW God influenced the writing of the Bible. He sure didn't dictate it; He didn't talk to people at the time they were writing the Genesis Creation Myth; He didn't correct them in any way when when they wrote wrong things.
So you are telling me that an all-knowing, all-powerful had no choice but to use the imperfect method of human written language to communicate His message to mankind? That makes God a pretty limited being, close to us mere mortals.
Okay, so you reject what the Bible actually says. And you seem to think that God had people write things so vaguely that different people can get different interpretations out His words. That's still an imperfect way of communication.
The Bible says certain events occurred in a certain order. You reject that (as you should, because the order is scientifcally refuted). Thus, you reject what the Bible actually says there.
These errors do matter because either the Bible is wrong, or you are forced to interpret its statements, which leads to multiple different interpretations, none of which can be known to be right. Either way, it is not perfect.
5:10 "so the biblical story says we gotta make this logical that these were human beings, men & women and after the flood they started to get to work and their children were born and we have all the nations of the world emerging out of one family"
very logical that...yeah...absolutely...very believable...hmmm
to cheat and rob is only a human quality if you believe in any of this...funny how all the teachings on how bad humans are come from people talking about god and the bible...funny as in highly dubious
One issue here is that genesis really isn't unique in its telling of creation. In fact there's one myth older than the bible that talks about six gods that create the world in six generations so that the seventh god could rest. They created ADAMah which in that language translates to "red dirt".
Plus it's not noteworthy to mention polytheistic religions said we came from multiple gods and monotheistic religions claim only one, that would be expected.
Well all that is addressed in these lectures.. I am waiting for more..
Adam linguistically means man- human and it would be interesting to see it also meaning red dirt. The subtleties of language are very interesting. And of course some of what we see in Gen. comes from older myths that were known at the time they were written. However I think though that Genesis is unique for just the reasons he lays out in these lectures. They are worth watching.
Adamah meant red dirt in the context and LANGUAGE (sorry, no italics, have to use caps) that story was written in. Look in my favorites for "Bible Destroyed 1\2" it has a list in there.
I don't think that if God inspired these books the Hebrews would have copied from older stories. Noah's Ark is nearly idential to the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was apparently wrote for entertainment not as history.
I was going to mention Gilgamesh. Its no accident. Abraham came from those people according to the bible. I don't think any ancient people wrote for pure entertainment like a comic book, they all make theological points through these stories- even Gilgamesh. The Hebrews took what they knew and interpreted it through and how they experienced God and it is a completely different view than the pagans had.
Umm . . . didn't Abraham supposedly live BEFORE the flood? Therefore his coming from the people who wrote Gilgamesh wouldn't explain anything. Noah was supposedly the one who experienced the flood, so if the story is found much earlier in another source, it would seem that Noah did not do this at all, and it was merely stolen like many other of the stories apparently are. This was probably common among most religions.
no Abraham comes after the flood and this is on purpose too. I think stolen is not an appropriate word.. they shared common threads.. and there is a certain universalism in all religions.. I don't read these stories as history.. they were meant to convey theology not history or science.. Was Noah a real person, was Adam? I say probably not. I think David, Solomon etc. were actual historical people.. but either way what is important to the authors is the theology.. and for me too.
What I believe to be objective is the consistency of the Bible itself. Now directly or indirectly inspiried or even pushed gently by God, if the Bible is to be taken as a valid text, especially the extrodinary parts, then the stories would have to be relatively true. If it wasn't Noah on that boat and the story happened with no connection to the real God but to Pagan gods then it would not make sense. For the Bible to be taken seriously, it can be embellished but Noah needs to be on that boat.
well there are two distictly different creations stories right off the bat.. so if you need that kind of consistancy then I am not going to be much help :-)...
No, I mean consistency of story, not within the book, but without. The entirely of the religion has to be consistent, and if inconsistency in the book fits it, then so be it (though that seems unlikely). From my perspective, if the flood happened the oldest story would most likely become the most accurate, since oral traditions break down the story over time. Since Noah is not oldest, it seems unlikely that it is accurate, and therefore that shows the OT can have untruth in it.
Explore the science behind "Mitochondrial Eve" and you might find that, once again, the science agrees with the bible. Our common ancestor existed about 200,000 years ago.
DrDavidNeiman 10 months ago
WHAT IS HE SAYING?...HOW COULD EVERYBODY COME FROM A SINGLE COUPLE OF PEOPLE?.....HIS PROPAGANDA IS OUT OF THIS WORLD!...THE GREEKS SPOKE THE TRUTH!...THEY ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!..THE JEWS COPIED EVERYTHING,.AND THEY COPY IT .VERY BADLY!...
nixter888 10 months ago
READ THE Apocrypha,..TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THE JEWS ARE! ...DO YOU THINK THE GREEKS WOULD EVER WRITE FALSE INFORMATION ?..KNOWING HOW THEY WERE?...I DO NOT THINK SO!..
nixter888 10 months ago
The Greeks were astonishing individuals and always strive for excellence,which was the method from which they achieved such phenomenal accomplishments; and they really were extraordinary. Their accomplishments astound us to this day. They were so far in advance of many others in the world,they will never give false knowledge to the world!...The bible is a Jewish conspiracy, forcing the gentiles to give up all occult knowledge ,so all the power ,is in their hands for total control!
nixter888 10 months ago
WE KNOW THE TRUTH!..The story of Prometheus,and the story of Deucalion and Pyrha,IS A CODED information,and who ever wants to decoded it . could use the GREEK LANGUAGE ,AND WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH, SINCE THE GREEK LANGUAGE IS CODED LANGUAGE ,AND EVEN IF ALL BOOKS IN THE WORLD DISAPPEAR,..GREEK LANGUAGE HAS THE ABILITY,TO REWRITE HISTORY!..HAVE A GOOD DAY!
nixter888 10 months ago
HE SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE THE PEOPLE DESCENDED FROM ONE GOD?..HE IS LYING!...IN THE BIBLE THEY SAY THAT .. Japheth HAD seven sons: Gomer, Magog, Tiras, Javan, Meshech, Tubal, and Madai. According to Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews I.6):Josephus subsequently detailed the nations supposed to have descended from the seven sons of Japheth........
nixter888 10 months ago
IT GOES LIKE THIS.........Gomer: Armenians, Cimmerians, Scythians, Cimbri, Welsh (Cymru), Irish, Germans, Huns, Franks, Turks.
Magog: Scythians, Slavs, Mongols, Hungarians (Magyar), Irish, Finns, Pamiris,
Madai: Medes, Indo-Iranians, Mitanni, Mannai, Persian, Tajiks, Balochis, Talishis, Mazandaris, Sengesaris and Tati,..
nixter888 10 months ago
Javan: Greeks (Ionians)
Tubal: Tabal, Tibareni, Georgians, Italics, Iberians, Basques
Tiras: Thracians, Getae, Goths, Jutes, Teutons, Etruscans
Meshech: Phrygians, Illyrians, Caucasian Iberia, Russians, Georgians..........HMM...THIS IS WHAT THE JEWS WANT!..TO HAVE THE FIRST WORDS THAT THEY ARE THE ORIGINATORS OF EVERYTHING!.....IT WONT WORK WITH US!....WE ARE NOT DESCENDED FROM THEM!..THEY COPIED EVERYTHING FROM THE GREEKS!.........OUST! .
nixter888 10 months ago
Deucalion and Pyrrha had...........Hellen, Amphictyon, Orestheus, Protogeneia, Pandora II and Thyia are their children.
Aeolus, Aethlius, Dorus, Graecus, Makednos, Magnes, Xuthus are their grandsons.....AND SO ON!....
nixter888 10 months ago
WHEN WE SAY THAT ,. they threw the rocks behind their shoulders and the stones formed people. Pyrrha's became women; Deucalion's became men,..it has a very deep metaphorical meaning,and you have to know the Greek language in depth in order to understand what the meaning is!...
nixter888 10 months ago
DO NOT FORGET ALSO THAT THE JEWS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ELOHIM=GODS,..AND NOT ELOAH=GOD,..DOES THAT SHOWS THE LIES OF THE JEWS THAT THEY TRY TO CREATE A SINGLE GOD,...BY COPYING OTHERS?...THE GREEKS WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT CRONOS=XRONOS=TIME,.. Earth (Gaia) gave birth to Heaven (Ouranos); Night & Erebos gave birth to Day. Gaia then mated with her son Ouranos,And the rest,they are talking about the creation,..with metaphorical meanings and not about the creator of the world...the GOD...
nixter888 10 months ago
READ ALSO ABOUT THE implication of Abraham deferring to Abimelech's polytheistic beliefs,WHICH THE JEWS TRY TO AVOID!....IF THE JEWS WERE THE ORIGINATORS ,AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUE CREATION,...HOW COULD THEY NAME ALL THE TERMS OF THE CREATION?...DO THEY HAVE ANY NAMES..CODED NAMES?...........NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!..OFF COURSE NOT!!!!
nixter888 10 months ago
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nixter888 10 months ago
THE GREEK COSMOGONY-THEOGONY THAT THE FOREIGNERS CALL “MYTHOLOGY” - IT EXPRESSES UNDER ALLEGORICAL FORM THE CURRENT SCIENTIFIC PERCEPTIONS!......READ TO LEARN!
nixter888 10 months ago
@nixter888 BEHIND THE GREEK WORDS ARE HIDING THE CODED INTERPRETATIONS OF ALL THINGS OF THE WORLD!
nixter888 10 months ago
@nixter888 WHOEVER KNOWS THE GREEK LANGUAGE IN DEPTH ,..HE RECOGNIZE THE FACE OF THE GOD!.
nixter888 10 months ago
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@nixter888 ONLY WITH THE STUDY OF THE GREEK THINKING ,THE WORLD WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH!
nixter888 10 months ago
The material mentioned on the Greeks is reconstructed from Homer, but Hesiod's 'Theogeny' is about as old, and was the most influential in the Greek world-view of the time, with a much different genealogy of the gods and a different story of the creation of man.
CadaverSplatter 1 year ago
Also, it is important to mention, the radical notion of one creative force creating all things, with one common ancestry comes from Egypt under a 'radical' Pharoh named 'Akhenaten', and his name was Aten, which is the root for the Hebrew/Canaanite name for lord 'adonai'. On a side note it was the root for the Persian god 'Adonis'.
I do love these lectures, and the hope that people will take an interest in the scholarship of ancient culture, their religions, word-views, and myths.
CadaverSplatter 1 year ago
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Genesis is fiction:This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as opposed to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
lizazoon 1 year ago
God should have poofed into existence a perfect way of giving His message.
DNAunion 1 year ago
FossiIs exist because of the flood. So we dont evolve. Everything was wiped out so we are what remain. Also a force must exist to counter the desolation of abomination. To stop the crimes you all commit in the name of god. Or we all die.
Pasqh 2 years ago
@Pasqh Oh Puleeze! The Flood?? Are you serious?? Look, if all land animals came off the ark how come we only find Marsupials in Australia? Why aren't they found all over the world? They have no trouble surviving in other similar environments as evidenced by the plague of Possums in New Zealand introduced from Australia.
And Evolution is a FACT just like Gravity is a fact. The only theory bit is how they work.
So no biblical flood, probably a large local flood at best.
warren52nz 2 years ago
First off i am a christian. Second you are irrational.
The Flood is not only impossible but illogical as well.
Fossils don't exit because of the flood... also an illogical and ignorant claim.
Smarten up please.
Theudas001 1 year ago
Yes, it makes much more sense that full-blown humans were magically poofed into existence from some dirt.
How about we just be rational and reject all ancient mythological origins stories and stick to science.
DNAunion 2 years ago
And destroy philosophy?
Religion is perfectly logical, so long as you are able to keep in mind that Genesis was an understanding of the world by ancient people and should not be taken literally.
Theudas001 1 year ago
So Genesis is the work of mere men, without any revelation or inspiring from God?
DNAunion 1 year ago
@DNAunion No that is a misunderstanding
of my statement. God inspired these men to write the bible
but it was ultimately men who wrote it and some of their understanding was
ultimately flawed (such as the earth being the Centre of the universe..)
Ultimately understanding what parts are ment to be symbolic does not take away
from the religion. it just makes it more realistic.
Theudas001 1 year ago
So God sat back and let ignorant men include silly mistakes in His message to mankind, which make it inaccurate and laughable? A CEO does a better job and getting his word out to his employees than that.
DNAunion 1 year ago
Man wrote it historically accepted by most scholars
Genesis was written by Moses,
Mistakes happen... if the bible is taken literally than the sun revolves around the earth and the earth is flat... We know this to be false.
Theudas001 1 year ago
God also would know that that was false. So why wouldn't He have made sure that correct information was in His message to all mankind?
God would have know that was incorrect, but humans back then wouldn't have. What we find in the Bible is what we would expect to find if it were written by the ignorant men of that time, with no input, influence, assistance, or inspiring by an all-knowing, all-powerful being.
DNAunion 1 year ago
@DNAunion It was influenced by God
And a revolutionary piece of work for its time.
If there is a God whom is all loving, knowing etc.
then to go back and fix minor errors wold infringe on
human free will and perhaps make it irrelevant to the people of the time.
If genesis spoke of evolution and biochemistry the people who first experienced the bible would not understand it.
Theudas001 1 year ago
HOW did God influence it? He sure didn't oversee its writing, or help men remember what to write.
If there is a God who is all-knowing, He would not choose something as fallible as written human language to convery His message to mankind.
Genesis already mentions things that can be checked by science: it couldn't even get them in the right order.
DNAunion 1 year ago
The creation account for example
is the Israelites, Understanding of God, based on him and how they perceived him.
Interactions with Jesus carrying the message from God in the latter part is a indirect influence (Direct if you believe is also God not just Gods son)
AS far as choosing another option to write the scriptures, What other form of life would be an alternative option to write the scripture. Mankind wrote it because it was ment for mankind.
Theudas001 1 year ago
You still didn't explain HOW God influenced the writing of the Bible. He sure didn't dictate it; He didn't talk to people at the time they were writing the Genesis Creation Myth; He didn't correct them in any way when when they wrote wrong things.
So you are telling me that an all-knowing, all-powerful had no choice but to use the imperfect method of human written language to communicate His message to mankind? That makes God a pretty limited being, close to us mere mortals.
DNAunion 1 year ago
Yes Genesis would seem scientifically inaccurate,
But if you take into account the historical context, culture, how people
back then would have perceived it as any good historian would,
The logical conclusion is that the creation story is a metaphor.
Theudas001 1 year ago
Okay, so you reject what the Bible actually says. And you seem to think that God had people write things so vaguely that different people can get different interpretations out His words. That's still an imperfect way of communication.
DNAunion 1 year ago
A metaphor does not mean a rejection.
The Genesis creation is not needed as a literal interpretation
To have an understanding of Christianity, as it does not take anything
away from it.
Theudas001 1 year ago
The Bible says certain events occurred in a certain order. You reject that (as you should, because the order is scientifcally refuted). Thus, you reject what the Bible actually says there.
These errors do matter because either the Bible is wrong, or you are forced to interpret its statements, which leads to multiple different interpretations, none of which can be known to be right. Either way, it is not perfect.
DNAunion 1 year ago
Imperfections are inevitable due to the
people who wrote it as well as the time
in which it was written. The overall general
message is, for the most part the same.
Theudas001 1 year ago
God is not perfect if He cannot avoid imperfections.
DNAunion 1 year ago
@DNAunion That would be true if God was the author.
Man wrote it, man is inperfect
Theudas001 1 year ago
5:10 "so the biblical story says we gotta make this logical that these were human beings, men & women and after the flood they started to get to work and their children were born and we have all the nations of the world emerging out of one family"
very logical that...yeah...absolutely...very believable...hmmm
jonsi317 2 years ago
to cheat and rob is only a human quality if you believe in any of this...funny how all the teachings on how bad humans are come from people talking about god and the bible...funny as in highly dubious
jonsi317 2 years ago
funny as you do not even know what god is.
LifeLibertyLove 2 years ago
oh i know a few (and the real one ;o)
jonsi317 2 years ago
this is great.. what a good teacher!
crimthann86 2 years ago
One issue here is that genesis really isn't unique in its telling of creation. In fact there's one myth older than the bible that talks about six gods that create the world in six generations so that the seventh god could rest. They created ADAMah which in that language translates to "red dirt".
Plus it's not noteworthy to mention polytheistic religions said we came from multiple gods and monotheistic religions claim only one, that would be expected.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
Well all that is addressed in these lectures.. I am waiting for more..
Adam linguistically means man- human and it would be interesting to see it also meaning red dirt. The subtleties of language are very interesting. And of course some of what we see in Gen. comes from older myths that were known at the time they were written. However I think though that Genesis is unique for just the reasons he lays out in these lectures. They are worth watching.
crimthann86 2 years ago
Adamah meant red dirt in the context and LANGUAGE (sorry, no italics, have to use caps) that story was written in. Look in my favorites for "Bible Destroyed 1\2" it has a list in there.
I don't think that if God inspired these books the Hebrews would have copied from older stories. Noah's Ark is nearly idential to the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was apparently wrote for entertainment not as history.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
I was going to mention Gilgamesh. Its no accident. Abraham came from those people according to the bible. I don't think any ancient people wrote for pure entertainment like a comic book, they all make theological points through these stories- even Gilgamesh. The Hebrews took what they knew and interpreted it through and how they experienced God and it is a completely different view than the pagans had.
crimthann86 2 years ago
Umm . . . didn't Abraham supposedly live BEFORE the flood? Therefore his coming from the people who wrote Gilgamesh wouldn't explain anything. Noah was supposedly the one who experienced the flood, so if the story is found much earlier in another source, it would seem that Noah did not do this at all, and it was merely stolen like many other of the stories apparently are. This was probably common among most religions.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
no Abraham comes after the flood and this is on purpose too. I think stolen is not an appropriate word.. they shared common threads.. and there is a certain universalism in all religions.. I don't read these stories as history.. they were meant to convey theology not history or science.. Was Noah a real person, was Adam? I say probably not. I think David, Solomon etc. were actual historical people.. but either way what is important to the authors is the theology.. and for me too.
crimthann86 2 years ago
As to the writers being inspired by a real God or not is subjective and I am trying to only be objective.
crimthann86 2 years ago
What I believe to be objective is the consistency of the Bible itself. Now directly or indirectly inspiried or even pushed gently by God, if the Bible is to be taken as a valid text, especially the extrodinary parts, then the stories would have to be relatively true. If it wasn't Noah on that boat and the story happened with no connection to the real God but to Pagan gods then it would not make sense. For the Bible to be taken seriously, it can be embellished but Noah needs to be on that boat.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
well there are two distictly different creations stories right off the bat.. so if you need that kind of consistancy then I am not going to be much help :-)...
crimthann86 2 years ago
No, I mean consistency of story, not within the book, but without. The entirely of the religion has to be consistent, and if inconsistency in the book fits it, then so be it (though that seems unlikely). From my perspective, if the flood happened the oldest story would most likely become the most accurate, since oral traditions break down the story over time. Since Noah is not oldest, it seems unlikely that it is accurate, and therefore that shows the OT can have untruth in it.
HonestDiscussioner 2 years ago
I find all the myths interesting and both their similarities and differences worth noting. Which are you referring?
crimthann86 2 years ago