Anton Webern- Variationen für Piano op. 27.3 ruhig fließend

[Frenrichnermorti]

sucks major rectum indeed

[ptm5150]

Do you find this music to be "bullshit" or think that it "sucks ass"? Is your cat and or domesticated animal of choice a prodigy/virtuoso/musical genius? If you answered yes to any of these I encourage you to watch someone like Glenn Gould perform and talk about this music. I have to say all of these negative comments are kind of funny because in most cases my grandmother said the same thing about Jimi Hendrix, seriously.

[rasputin63]

My cat wrote this.

[ptm5150]

@rasputin63 your cat knows English?

[Frenrichnermorti]

Who on earth would waste their time playing this crap?

[ptm5150]

@Frenrichnermorti You might be interested to know (or you might not care at all:) that only the very best players can handle this music, someone like Glenn Gould.

[Frenrichnermorti]

holy shit, his music does really suck ass

[AfroDeezeeYak]

@Frenrichnermorti Like....the sonic projection of what is notated, literally has a set of physical lips which perpetually sucks on rectums?



[amdmg7]

sounds awful. Nothing of music.

[curiosofsigns]

For those who don't get it try to see all music as architecture.

[ruslandimov]

Methodical, mathematical, measured piece of crap. Music with intellect, but no appeal.

[debrucey]

@ruslandimov I'm enjoying it, lol.

[gianpaga11]

Fantastic!

[hotplate85]

You needn't be snobbish nor a music scholar to hear Webern's music. The 12-tone aggregate passing quickly makes determaining the precise tone row an unlikely proposition (unless it's spelled out in a score).

Listen for the development of interval patterns: if you hear C C# and F# in succession, listen for a B, B-flat, and F. It's the same tri-chord in transposition so the two might be connected. Webern's music respects the listener's capacity to hear relationships, consciously or not.

[NevinJarek]

@hotplate85 wat, youre looking for melodic successions? for sets? I dont, to me, as more dispersed the sounds and unrelated, the more effective, so I listen for contrast between notes. The same with textures, if textures are presented and changed into something contrasting then I find them appealing, if they are presented and maintained uniform then it bores me. Is there a 'listening philosophy' for serial music? Who's would Webern and Schoenberg judge most inappropriate, yours or mine?

[KlubDonnerstag]

If music is language, then this pieces are talking in a very clear speech.

[wkhhh]

Thanks very much for posting this. Webern was a very talented 20th century composer. We should now be listening to, and supporting our 21st century composers.

[Gargantupimp]

3:27 Oh god Right when I started masterbating too and this guy shows!! Dont judge me!

[wuulumuulu]

danke für die noten dazu!

gute aufnahme von dem stück.

[Pianomaster26]

looks hard to memorize...

[harfarhs]

Excellent to have the score visible, thanks for posting..

[frankylamento]

very very nice!

[BarProphet]

This must be the musical equivalent to The Emperor's New Clothes. People just convince themselves they like it so they don't feel stupid. =D

Just kidding, don't get all mad at me. I don't really enjoy this, but i understand many people can actually like or even love this. I mean, i love drone and many people just can't understand why.

[pilkingtonphil]

@BarProphet I know you're just kidding but I think its interesting to point out something about the "Emporer's New Clothes" argument.

If you gave a child a book by, say, Doestoyevsky, the kid would probably hate it. This is because the child would lack the experience to understand it.

The point is is that some things take effort to appreciate. Once the effort is put in the appreciation is greater (this is why pop tracks have a short life-span - they take no effort to appreciate).

[bongfodder]

It's like a conversation with your own subconcious, awesome.

[Robledoruidoso]

Thanx for posting this with the written part.

For the people who spend their time expresing how much they dislike this music:

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THIS TYPE OF MUSIC...

If you don't want to listen to this music please don't do it, nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to hear this. You are not a vigilante saving the world from things you believe are not music. Please help youtube stay clean of pointless discussions.

[pallmanni]

First of all. This is not music. Second, this so called "music" is so bad it just needs to be bashed as much as possible.

[Robledoruidoso]

Thank you for spending your time here listening to Weberns piano music.

[mozartmusic2002]

Excuse me you touchhole. Unless you have a gun pointing at your head (and hopefully if there is a gun pointing at you, it just might with a little luck go off), then get lost with your ignorant opinions. Webern is one of the masters of the 20th century whose music has affected the course of music history.And if you still insist on being an asshole then nothing is stopping you from whipping out some of YOUR scores on youtube. So put your money where your foot is.

[Robledoruidoso]

mozartmusic2002:

I apreciate the energy but don't step down to their level. Didn't you learn any thing in your school?

[madero111]

@Robledoruidoso

Well put my man.

I have suffered through years of dreaded DISCO music but i look and see how many people have gotten so much wonderful enjoyment out of DISCO.

This reminds me.........how many people actually like the stuff that John Tesh puts out?

[Robledoruidoso]

hahah imagine, so many people would have never been born if it wasn't for the crazy disco parties.

about the John Tesh question:

not me sir. not me.

actually I don't believe he has any fans here in Puerto Rico.

well maybe some tourist guy.

[Sesquipedaliantique]

@Robledoruidoso You're so right. It's the same old story on every music video, be it experimental music, pop, heavy metal, rap..but that's Youtube for ya, it seems to attract all the internet's biggest idiots :(

[OTHONIII]

@Robledoruidoso Y'r right! ...except in europe if you compose you can't say it's crap music. You MUST have schoenberg as god and Boulez as Christ (in france). If it's not, Big Doors of musical contempory Temple close. Don't forget guns has to be holding on face on our parents and grand parents.. to listen worse of this piece; Thank understand that

[ptm5150]

@Robledoruidoso I just wanted to add there are people who also love this music and that I appreciate your comment,

[laurion69]

Schoenberg/Webrn/Berg...experi­ment failed.

End of story!

[deadcalledpark]

that's perhaps right, but one can still apreciate the strictness and even the beatuy of their "experiments"

[Exanimousx]

I'm sure other cultures would say similar things about our tonal music upon listening to a few prime examples WITHOUT knowing that rather than a short-lived experiment, it was for us a long-standing cultural phenomenon.

[laurion69]

The fact is that the evolution of music is something spontaneous, that does not want to be planed on a table, as Shoenberg and avant-guard thought.

You're right: the thirds in the medieval period was considered dissonant and the fifths consonant. In 1500 it happened the opposite: thirds consonant and fifths almost dissonant. But the process was natural, not planned.

Music evolves itself by itself.

[Exanimousx]

I think that there really isn't a difference between the "second Viennese" school's progression and other music.

Schoenberg's chromaticism elided tonal implications in his second string quartet so much he didn't see it as tonal.

He didn't plan to feel that way or hear harmonies that way. "Ich fühle luft von anderem planeten."

The influence of "other planets" was his desire to transcend the gravity of tonality. 12-tone was just a systematization of what was originally an intuitive process.

[Exanimousx]

Schoenberg, Berg and even Webern are composers highly influenced by the 'romantic' tradition upon looking at their music in depth.

And what about Palestrina with his Pope Marcellus Mass? He planned a piece to convince Pope Marcellus to reconsider complex polyphony as a viable "system" for the presentation of sacred lyrics in a musical composition.

I would argue that some of the greatest works WERE planned out on a table, for a particular purpose, and a particular audience.

[Exanimousx]

When I wrote the Scherzo I attached as a video response, I thought about what kind of material I wanted, how I would use octatonicity, what themes, etc. Most of it I planned out formally and wrote intuitively using these plans as guidelines.

Will you then say that my composition is an unnatural and thus not spontaneous process? It came out quite quickly and I really was concerning myself with sound, not ideology.

[Exanimousx]

One more thing, to those who make distinctions of music vs. noise

Music: A perception of sound which invokes in the listener a sense of aesthetic.

Thus, any sound can be musical if the listener chooses to perceive it that way, likewise, even the greatest musical compositions can be perceived as noise if aesthetic attention is not being given, think of that experiment with Joshua Bell playing Bach's Chaconne in D minor in a subway station:

To many passing citizens it was just noise.

[Shredlord12345]

@laurion69 has the notion that your opinion about a certain type of music is not the only one ever occurred to you?

You say the evolution of music must be natural. Whose to say what qualifies as natural? You? I'm just curious because you appear to consider yourself so much more enlightened...

[MagicDolphinGO]

@laurion69 ha, i agree. I dislike atonality not because it offends me or i find it ugly, but more because it's just boring. i know that pure diatonic tonality is also really boring, but there's not many different moods you can create just using a twelve tone system, and texture and rhythm cannot replace the tension that harmonic progression can create.

[laurion69]

@MagicDolphinGO

Infact the failure of non tonal/diatonic music lies on the fact that it has eliminated any understandable tension based on the alternanation between consonance and dissonance, so that it is perceived as most more boring than diatonic and tonal music.

In other words it lacks totally the possibility of doing an immediate and enjoyable speech for the ears, remaining only on the score the sense of relationships of the sounds, which is something that has nothing to do with MUSIC.

[alienalienss]

@laurion69 Possibly, but that doesn't mean the music is uniform. One can still appreciate the use of texture and counterpoint, both of which are perfectly audible, and perfectly MUSICAL.

[MrOddy79]

@MagicDolphinGO

Ok I know where you're coming from, and to be honest I'm not a particular fan of this movement. However consider this, within the twelve tone system you can use any intervals within the framework of a tone row, flourishes of fifths set against perhaps, augmented fourths and minor seconds, all of which if used with sensitivity and thought can produce a multifarious array of different moods. The twelve tone system isonly a device to work with harmony and what it means.

[MrOddy79]

@MagicDolphinGO

[LazarusErlking]

@laurion69 You're in the minority with that opinion.

[joebassplayer]

@laurion69 are you kidding?! do you know anything about classical music? serialism may not be used that commonly these days, but it had a huge part to play in the development of modern music.

[darthdidious]

@laurion69

I'm glad you're here to pass judgment on a compositional technique that composers have been using for almost a century (and still use to this day).

[debrucey]

@laurion69 How has it failed? It's still being listened to and studied a century later lol.

[massimiliano123123]

@laurion69 you are only ignorant ;)

[Wintschel]

Right now I'm at my grandfathers house, which is located near an air force base. As soon as I finished hearing this song an F18 flew over.

[pingubs]

Pfff.... Always the same ignorant people saying the same stupid things... "That is not music" What is real music?

Grow up little boy! This guy know Beethoven or Bach better than you.... Think of it... You are nothing and he his a great composer...

Try to reach his level... Read books about him... You don't understand his music and you are proud?

[RTCMAHL]

I go through this every fall semster with my students . . . . I have to ask them "don't you get tired of major/minor chords all the time and want to try someting 'new' (new as in almost 80 years old now in the case of Webern!) "

[davidsbuendler]

maybe it's like asking them "don't you get tired of walking always on your legs, why don't you walk on your arms instead?" major/minor chords and tonalty grew over hundreds (or in case of monophony thousands) of years fitting the human ear. systems like dodecaphony were artificially made up which is kind of short-sighted and arrogant, like it is short-sighted and arrogant to plant genetically modified seed.

[Exanimousx]

Actually, tonal system to which you are referring is actually acoustically still flawed, but since most of us have been exposed the musical language of the culture into which we were born, our ears have adapted and learned to hear music within the tonal equal-tempered system as "consonant" whereas to medieval or ever renaissance ears it would be quite jarring.

Much early music has thirds which, played against an equal-tempered piano, sound dissonant.

It's about familiarity and exposure.

[swordcollector92]

I understand the twelve tone system and I still dislike it. It sounds like someone falling down and back up stairs.

[davidsbuendler]

why would you have to read books about a muscician in order to understand his music? the music should speak for itself.

[wbarco]

So we shouldn't study literature, art or music at all then?

[davidsbuendler]

we should, if we like to. but music has to be understood by all people, not only by arts- and music students. all really great music satisfies both the experts and the "simple" people.

[KlubDonnerstag]

@davidsbuendler ... but music has to be understood by all people ...

certainly not. why should this be, where is it written?

I like culture pluralism instead of boring mishmash.

It makes the world bigger an life even richer.

[Dretcher]

@davidsbuendler You can watch a night sky and see the beauty of the stars, the moon, a shooting star etc... But I can bet you that an astronomist, giving his life to the universe study, can see a beauty we are no capable of see or understand.

Same as music. When you go deeper and deeper, music does speak to you, and you can hear beauty in what seems noise to others.

(There's no such thing as bad or good music. There's only music that you understand or not.)

[vergilvergilvergil]

@davidsbuendler You don't have to read books to understand Webern's music. It does speak for itself, and in a way not much other music can. Open up, relax, don't expect it to be anything, just listen. Repeat if necessary.

[vitovito1234]

THIS MUSIC IS OPSOLETE!!!!

[darthdidious]

@vitovito1234

Your face is obsolete.

[vitovito1234]

.....and so what....

[CrystalFlames]

I could never really get on board with Webern. but kudos to the pianist.

[pianiplunker]

Thanks for info.

[pianiplunker]

Who is the pianist. Pollini?

[deadcalledpark]

yes it is pollini