Keene, PD Ride Along (2/5) - Corruption

[TCBnTX01]

So if I understand a market based police Corporation. A person is at a stop sign, several thugs hijack the man's car, rape his daughters, kill his wife. The man then calls the police Corporation and tells the dispatcher the problem. The dispatcher tells him the price of the service. 10,000 dollars for rape, $20,000 for the murder, say 2,000 for the hijack. Sir is this cash or credit card.

[JesusDillinger]

NC police warned to put their property under someone else's name: watch?v=QMGwknV8doI It's a transformative realization for America.

This is what "corporatism" means; it's the supplanting of public servant agencies by private corporations. It's replacing Law with color of law

The U.S.A. is the Republic, the Several States. The US is the corporation chartered in London, headquartered in the Philippines, and with offices in Washington D.C.

Plugging one's ears and humming will fix nothiong.

[FoxeoGames]

The idea of having "privatized" police forces is a very libertarian view. I share most libertarian views. I'm voting for Ron Paul to be the nominee this year.

However, privatizing the police is not a good idea. Private police would bend too much to local demands, even if those demands violated the rights of others. Private police would be splintered and fractured to such a degree that cooperation would be minimal, if existent. It would not be in the best interests of the people.

[JesusDillinger]

It is already lawful for a private police force to exist. That's what the current PDs are.

The U.S.A., the Republic, is an association to which one can belong or not. The US, Inc.--and its franchises, which we call "states"--are merely corporations with no more intrinsic authority than McD's. Our culture has forgotten, or maybe the masses never really grasped, that one needn't be signed with any society or corporation to be an American.

One is better of as an "undocumented American vessel."

[FoxeoGames]

@JesusDillinger I'm sorry, but this is intellectual-sounding nonsense. Police departments and county sheriffs are NOT private, nor do they work for a "corporation." That is bullshit you hear almost exclusively on the internet and YouTube in particular.

They work for city and county governments. They don't turn a profit, believe me; they are struggling to keep their current officers employed, and many are laying off. Tickets DO NOT fund the department, not at all.

[JesusDillinger]

@FoxeoGames Two judges' decision from the Rod Class case. Police departments and the DOT are private corporations:

tinyurl . com / 86xdyuu

The Keene, NH listing on Dun & Bradstreet, the list of corporations:

tinyurl . com / 828el7s

They do turn a profit but not for themselves. Judges are using these private security as road agents. Even small-time traffic court judge will retire with at least 30 M by securitizing traffic violations

IRS, BATF, FDIC--all private corporations

[FoxeoGames]

@JesusDillinger Not quite, this is your rhetoric and biased interpretation. These two judges did no such thing; they are not corporations.

It's just ridiculous. We're arguing nomenclature. If you believe a police department is a corporation, then so is your family, the military, etc. If you believe anything and everything that deals with money is a corporation than you're simply playing word games.

I don't play word games; they waste everyone's time.

[nraman4ever]

So you assholes talk to hear yourselves talk? Or are yall really that liberal? (i.e.-STUPID AS HELL!!!!)

[silvermediastudio]

Unfortunately, there are bad eggs in any organization, any sample of human population. Police and other public agencies do their best to vett their employees before giving them authority, but it's never perfect.

[pentiuman]

Lt. Shane turned his left turn signal on, way too late. Please issue him a Citizen's Citation Warning for me, and let him know that I won't be so lax on any further law breaking!!!

[usmcdevildawg77]

HAAAAA this guy was my company gunnery Sgt in the CORPS!!!!!!

[obscuredtruth]

@usmcdevildawg77 Shane is a good guy. I bet he would love hearing from you. Any stories or other facts I can teas him about next time I see him?

[usmcdevildawg77]

@obscuredtruth Yes, ask him to tell you about the MREMA (pronounced mariemah)

[3Skitz1Production3]

@usmcdevildawg77 lol oorah devil!!

[dacribgansta]

nothing good comes from privatizing police and military. ex. look at blackwater. but i do agree there is some corruption in certain police departments across the U.S. but majority of the officers out there are here to do good. we should crack down on the corruption, but if you look theres also corruption in fire departments, what's next privatize your local volunteer fire company?

[obscuredtruth]

@dacribgansta - There's a big difference between government granting one or a few groups special privileges in an area while protecting them from the liability of their actions. (i.e. Blackwater)

What we are talking about is Marketizing the service. That is, getting the government completely out of the service, and leaving it up to a true free market.

[soccom8341576]

@obscuredtruth

Can you explain why this is about?

[popeye1250]

Boy, I'm glad I'm not a Cop! Too many rules, I AM looking for an "OW!"

[ArmaEditor]

@popeye1250 There is no rule saying "OW!" 

[andytnboy]

not all police are bad there are some good cops but hear in the south there all bad,they still treat blacks like they did in the old days,older people hear have a saying,it goes like this [ when it rains its really the angles crying for all the sins police do to poor people]i think that explains it all hear in tn.

[vanlore]

I am not a big fan of police, & I will admit I will be the first to hold police accountable for their actions.

However I have to give credit where credit is due, its very cool that this officer took the time to do this type of interview. It give us a chance to understand better what they go through & get a sense of what the opinions are of individual officers & not that of the force/governement per say. It at least allows open dialog between police & civilians & that's a good thing.

[obscuredtruth]

I completely agree.

[USAGamingMW2]

@vanlore Hey when you need help and your ass is in trouble don't bother calling the police call a crackhead ans see what happens!

[vanlore]

I am not and lie to you and say I don't make comments about the police because I do. However in this case I was paying a compliment to this officer not insulting him, I didn't call him a crackhead so what are you talking about.

[vanlore]

Oh and one other reply to the comment you sent me, its amuses me that anytime anyone has something critical (which in towards this officer's case I didn't) people reply blah..blah you will one day cry for police. No the truth is I have the means to defend myself, what I cry for will come in the aftermath of the engagement, and it would not be the police I want, it would be the paramedics, either for me or my assailant or for both of us.

[redneck500]

I can understand and appreciate how people want to make the police officers feel as they are being scrutinized, however, try and put yourself in their shoes. How often are you dealing with violent criminals on a regular basis? These people are also trying to protect themselves as well. If your life was in danger, would you want a police officer to quickly intervene or stay off to the side while they decide if helping you is going to get them in trouble or not. Just food for thought, nice vid

[mtd8287]

hiring polices do quite a good job of weeding out the people unfit for policing. I'm not sure a competitive situation would do much good in the interest of the public. All you would have is laws being cracked down on much more especially little things because people dont want to lose their job. The way to ensure uncorrupted police is not in establishing a free market but following the process as strictly as can be. Even in a free market system, you would not see corruption eliminated.

[SexySex50]

This was put up the day before I got home from prison.

[THAWK3]

You speak,but can't provide one example about the way your talking,when anybody on this thread can provide 10,000 years of proof of the govt. never working,always stealing,murdering,and growing larger than it's intention.What better proof than "America" itself.Started small with limited govt. and a free market,became the most destructive,most powerful,most corrupt on the planet.

Let me ask you this-name one thing the govt. produces?

Everything they have is by theft.

[FordCopChrist1995]

I don't like government either. I wish the USA would have a small government and be it's own country instead of being in other countries crap all the time.

[THAWK3]

Your supposed "service" is provided at the barrel of a gun,and then come to find out-YOU DON"T EVEN HAVE TO PROVIDE IT!!

YOU ESCAPE ALL RESPONSIBILITY ON THE JOB.

Wife got raped cause the cops were to slow-sorry we don't have an obligation to protect you.

Car Stolen-sorry we have no obligation to protect you or your property.

BUT I'll stick a gun in your face and kill you for running a stop sign,and stick a gun in your face to pay for my shitty "service".

Fuck you,you Statist filth.

[FordCopChrist1995]

Where do you get that crap? 3rd world corrupt countries?most USA cops are not like that. Do your research

[THAWK3]

Because your an Idiot.

I wonder what the ratio of cops harassing and brutalizing to saving innocent victims is?

Also something that would be nice to see is an American Psychiatric Association psych profile/study on American police.How many people with psychopathic tendencies do you think would show up?

If your service is so valuable then you would open it to competition,but you don't -you rely on force to keep your business.

[Lookingforfourfor]

wtf, this cops an idiot..nice man..but an idiot. he's talking with someone who'se anti justice.. anti cop..probably a douche bag who wanted to be a cop who couldnt make it or something..stupid video

[FordCopChrist1995]

Excellent! Couldn't of said it better!

[Lookingforfourfor]

How old are you?

You like Fords, Law enforcement and the Messiah...cool nuff for me lol

[FordCopChrist1995]

Screw privatizing the police. What's with this guy? Probably smokes too much weed. Privatized secruity guards are easier to corrupt and bribe. What's next? Privatize the whole military?

[obscuredtruth]

FordCop - Do you attack the character of everyone who disagrees with you, or just the ones presenting logic you can't refute?

If a private security guard was corrupt, he would get fired, or I would be able to fire the company, and hire someone else to provide protection.

I can't do that with the current monopoly police force. They have even setup barriers to protect themselves from their illegal acts.

Ever read their constitution? Remember the part about no standing armies?

[FordCopChrist1995]

A police force isn't an army. It's protecting the citizens against domestic threats. Just look how crappy airport secruity was pre 9/11, and guess what? It was private security. Ever since the government (TSA) has been doing it, there hasn't been any threats. Should we privatize the military as well? What's next?

[FordCopChrist1995]

Most Cops are good and not corrupt. Only the minority are. Don't streotype them all. And again what else do you want to privatize? Military, secret service, FBI?

[AngryHateMusic]

We should first fire Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public schooling, the drug war, economic regulations, trade restrictions, immigration controls, occupational licensure, welfare, subsidies, government-business partnerships, public housing, SBA loans, the FDA, the SEC, the minimum wage, price controls, the Federal Reserve, paper money, and all the various departments and agencies of the federal government.

Private service providers can provide a better service via accountability...

[FordCopChrist1995]

Uhh... NO SHIT we need a military. Where are you? Peace Planet? And shall we privatize our Fire Fighters as well?

[moonshine311111]

most cops are corrupt. i can name so many incidents where a cop has killed or injured someone without reason

[FordCopChrist1995]

No they aren't. The problem is the media concentrates on the few bad things that cops do instead of all the good they do.

[FordCopChrist1995]

Why was my comment thumbed down?

[THAWK3]

Then whats your excuse for the govt.?It's not the private security firm of the airport that gets 400 billion dollars and is responsible to protect the US is it?The TSA,hahahaha.People have snuck guns,bomb making materials,knives-you name it,past the TSA.

Why did the govt. hand out medals to people who FAILED and cost the lives of 3000+ Americans?

[FordCopChrist1995]

Well the private security that was in Boston, newark, and Washington. Didn't do much to stop the 9/11 hijackers.

[THAWK3]

I noticed how non-responsive to the question you are.

What about the govt. who is supposed to know who these people were BEFORE they got on a plane,not small security firms-you know for "National Security"?.After all,the govt. knew who they were-they trained them.What is the govt. excuse.

[FordCopChrist1995]

Private security companies did most of the security before 9/11.

[THAWK3]

I'm sorry,but whose mission statement is it to protect the nation?

[FordCopChrist1995]

The government but it's for the people by the people, at least it's supposed to be like that, crook polticians these days dont give a crap about the people.

[Hickeydog2365]

Well, when it comes down to it, you're the one who's responsible for your own protection.

[THAWK3]

100% correct sir.

[THAWK3]

Also Sam,the word "Police",and "Democracy" aren't even in the constitution.The govt.s had to create them by opinion(Statute) to be the enforcers of opinions...ie-"Statutes".

[udidwht]

Listen to the officer...that guys wanted. He is/was wanted? How do you know this? He put his hand up to cover his conceal his face.

Officer Dingleberry...that is an assumption. Perhaps he was scratching his nose/face? Or sneezing...It is this kind of officer behavior that needs to be addressed with proper officer training. What was the old saying, " He who assumes makes an ass of himself".

[InfoWarriorMaverick]

It's pretty much irrelevant, they were just making some small talk there.

It carries no significance, please move on.

[Spazzfrom1989]

oh quit being picky, the officer is one of the most reasonable i have ever seen. And is right on about most of the things being asked.

But to mention of how he might know, well he has been on the job for 16 years so its very possible that others have done that action and then have been found out to have a warrant or something. Also note, did the officer go after the man (did he show any harrassment towards the citizen?) I think you should reflect more upon your comment.

[udidwht]

The fact that he didn't act on it is irrelevant. The question is how many officers out there would have? Only to find out that he/she is up to nothing. Bottom line is if we're ever going to put a STOP to profiling it must begin with the basics. After spending 26.5 years as a police officer I've seen the changes made over the decades and it's only going to make an officers job more difficult these days, if not impossible.

[THREEFLOORSDOWN1]

this is a great cop! you can tell, he's not an ego tripper. we need more like him. much respect*

[altops]

there needs to be an automatic death sentence for public officials and politicians who subvert the constitution of either Union or State. then we would have a "more" proper government.

[libertarianjury]

The very last thing that should be fully privatized is the police force. That said, the police force should be voluntarily financed, while subject to the veto of the whole. That way, if the law-abiding majority feel the police are not doing their jobs, they reduce financing. The top goal of the police becomes to reduce violent crime, and market-based priorities emerge. If imprisonment is market-driven (as with prison privatization), it is a nightmare. esp in an unlimited state...

[libertarianjury]

Market-based police forces are a bad idea. It appears to me that you want to privatize the one area of government most resistant to a beneficial market outcome. Moreover, the marketplace of ideas has often been successful in curtailing even state police violence, upon concerted effort. The current cops are in no way limited by the constitution or law, but they provide an essential service that is able to be held accountable. Try holding a private service accountable... Not easy...

[jeff61177]

You can't compare economics to police work dude. To very different things. People go haywire in ALL jobs! Its not because cops are ALL a bunch of sadistic muscle heads who love violating peoples rights. In fact most cops I know do the job to help people. The "customer" base constantly rips at cops, with F tho POlice and stuff like that and officers eventually snap! soinvestigate people. cops do what they can until they can't stand it any more. cops are the victims,stop suing them,respect them

[AngryHateMusic]

How sick, cops are not the victims, the victims are the victims. Take a close look at who is injured!

[iamgangelo]

civilian;duty of alligiance for duty of protection.....cops only have a duty to protect themselves... so alligence? they are nothing more than an armed gang of liars,thieves&murderers....the­ir actions are backed by a gun...take away the gun & watch how many people for their commands

[discolim0nade]

dude..they are not all like that dont but evryone in the same basket..anyway did u even listen to what the cops said??

[AnarchyInYourHead]

Maxfield admits that there have been problem officers who were abusive but he feels they were handled, right? So my question would be how many police were prosecuted and served time for those actions. Whenever I hear of police caught exhibiting such appalling behavior, it seems like the repercussions are a joke. Shouldn't the repercussions be even more severe than a civilian? Shouldn't there be a higher standard of expectation?

[riothero313]

They have more power then everyone else so they should absolutely be held to a higher standard.

[omegasher]

well for sure I might agree but again it's a subliminal suggestion, pursue with caution,

what is he suggesting we obey well look to the implications of where they go with the topic, that's the only way to answer that question.

[obscuredtruth]

Yea, I agree, that Sam guy is a sneaky bastard. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on him. . . :)

[omegasher]

it's called spin honey, watch for it, where does the topic go and what does it lead into.

like I said "any time the host is wearing a shirt with a big OBEY sign on it you have to second guess the info you are about to receive"

it's a subliminal feed for you to submit your critical thought and just obey the conclusions they draw. I though that was obvious.

[obscuredtruth]

Humm, perhaps omegasher, But I don't know. . .

What does he suggest we obey? Just him? The views? Police? Governments?

What if the intent was to get people to ask themselves that very question? Why for instance do we OBEY when a man in a black uniform with shiny buttons and colorful sleeve decorations tells us to do something?

What principles guide peoples obedience? Do people live by the truth as they experience it or as someone has taught it to them? Oh, well I guess we may never know! :)

[Nickelodeon2002]

He just answered your question....lol...

[omegasher]

any time the host is wearing a shirt with a big OBEY sign on it you have to second guess the info you are about to receive

[Nickelodeon2002]

Why would that be? Care to elaborate?

[JDRam1]

Beware of unhealthy skepticism. Sounds like youre trying to start a Modern Skeptical Movement and conjure up visions of dour, frowning, crooked cops.

[omegasher]

Beware of unhealthy acceptance of unexamined ideas. I'm not trying to start any movement, whatever images you conjure up are due to your conditioning and expectations, not my words. I'm merely observing and thinking about what I observe and sharing those thoughts. If you want to see crooked cops search some of the taserings, that should be enough for you.