Согласен, что эту туфту лепил кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг в друга, а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов. Против этого не попрешь.
Давно прощено, война вместе пережита, дети рядом выросли, а то и переженились..
Теоретик хренов.Без воплей ясно,кто эту туфту лепил и кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг другу в глотки,а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов.Против этого попрешь?
А с долбанными аргументами не лезь, если не знаешь что означает давно простить соседа, который покаялся тысячу раз и вину на войне искупил
2. The statistics shows no reducing of the number of population.
3. There is no possibillity for anyone to tell Russian from Ukrainian.
4. There were no emigrants from Eastern Ukraina (which was told to be starving) to Poland or Romania,but Romanians emigrated to Ukraine.
5. Some years later Eastern Ukrainians fought against Hitler and for Stalin as desperately as Russians (not to compare to Western one, former Polish citizens)
Ющенко собрал в своей книге памяти голодомора менее миллиона имен. Сюда вошли почти все умершие за ДВА года: от голода, от несчастных случаев, от старости.Помимо этого среди "убитых клятыми москалями" - список избирателей 2000 года одного из сел Сумской области - известный скандал. Да и так подумать, даже 1млн из 27 - это катастрофа, когда люди удирают, куда глаза глядят. Вот только не надо про оцепление. Сколько надо держать солдат, чтобы оцепить деревню в 1000 душ со всеми полями, пастбищами?
@fiorAvanti1917 Оцепление, дорогой.С запретом прохода без спецпропуска в обе стороны. В тех селах тоже не сиротки жили. И не все на то время в селе сидели. Иначе б мы с тобой сейчас не разговаривали :(
@BetelgeuseMy Дурак ты, батенька. Плохо, что сейчас все от армии косят. Раньше бы последний двоечник идею с оцеплением бы высмеял. Выдумано это было не для русских, для пиндосов, а верить начали только теперь, и то я сомневаюсь, может придуриваешься?
@fiorAvanti1917 На том и остановимся. Во-первых, я буду дурак, откосивший от армии и последний двоешник, далее по списку. Во-вторых, ты идешь в роли умницы и отличника, и как любой отличник, умеешь пахать, от практики не косишь.Так что давай - выезжай летом на соответствующую по природе местность и просчитывай: какой регулярной и идейной численностью поставишь полную блокаду и задавишь за зиму пару-другую губерний кулаков, вооруженных вилами. (см дальше)
@fiorAvanti1917 Не забудь в проект внести изъять до блокады зерно+фураж,скот и лошадей(транспортн.технику, по нынешним временам) и сделать поправку, что в селе тайн от соседей не бывает, да и на стук. Прощевай до осени по этому вопросу
А до остальных нюансов - то конечно, Украина для теплолюбивых жидов, пендосовских в том числе, выглядит аппетитней. И бабки через Ющеку-Януковича мыть проще, чем через Путяру+Ко. На нацвопросе, например, взамен классового. И ищут дураков.
@BetelgeuseMy Даже учитывая, то, что оружия до 1941 никто у населения не изымал (даже пистолеты были почти у каждого, ружья в тч охотничьи). Хрен с ним, пускай с вилами. Я от полка в течение полугода по любому уйду в какую нибудь Польшу. Только хрен! Как из Польши контрабанду тащить, так сто порций, вся Москва в польских шмотках ходила, а в Польшу слабо было голодающих переправить? Вон, через два года из Румынии народ в СССР тысячами тикал, и кого поймали?
@BetelgeuseMy Извини, что реалий рассказывать не буду, хотя слышал об голоде 1933-34 от бабушек. Я еще не знаю, ты честный заблуждающийся или подлюка-вражина, которому эти реалии помогут в буржуйской пропаганде. Поэтому просто слегка потыкаю носом в нелогичности и брехню.
Попробуй-ка в ходе практики,умник,как-нибудь из своего дома в деревне тикануть навсегда с бабой и ребятами так,чтоб сосед справа и сосед слева,что за тобой вовсю глядят,а точнее на твою землю и твое добро,им до кучи обещанное,глядят,не заметили.Вот тебе и вся Румыния-Польша.
А как проходят через "ослепшие"войсковые оцепления-это совсем недавно видели,что тут лишние семьдесят лет накручивать?И вопрос-кто заблуждающийся,а кто лжец,а значит и подлюка-вражина?
@BetelgeuseMy Абсолютно установленный факт, что на территории Польши и Румынии ни ОДНОГО голодающего с Украины не было. В том числе и из пограничных областей, где все ходили друг другу в гости через границу, не смотря на запреты. Вон даже пиндосы на границе с Мексикой могут отловить далеко не всех перебежчиков, а у них и лазеры, и собаки и стена в 6 метров.
@fiorAvanti1917 Теоретик хренов.Без воплей ясно,кто эту туфту лепил и кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг другу в глотки,а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов. Против этого попрешь?
А с долбанными аргументами не лезь, если не знаешь что означает давно простить соседа, который покаялся тысячу раз и вину на войне искупил.
What? 7 000 000? Where did you get that insane bullshit from??
You can talk about max. 1.5 mln death having - diectly or indirectly - somethig to do with the depression due to Collectivastion - itis another question, what do we have to do with it - but why the hell, in the eyes of the Bandera's, we blooodthisty communists must personnnaly eat trilliards? is 1.5 mln of population not enough??
@fiorAvanti1917 Some cripto-conspirolgical crap, while the whole "millions dead by Collectivisation" is already a weird conspirological crap. Let the ultra-right seek Bolsheviks under teir bed, we don't have to.
@acb1511 And for every greedy farmer, who set fields on fire/slaughtered cattle - no to be "equallised" with peasants and hired lauborers - there lies a beutifull act somewhere in NKVD archives on Lybyanka)))
Why not ask Ukrainians? And better of all Eastern Ukrainians, who fought for Stalin and Soviet Union during ww2. Were they idiots to sacrifice their lives for their torturers or idiots are you who believe this horror tales invented by Hitler and later continued by American capitalists? Everyone I met here was either Western Ukrainian from pro-Nazi gangs or entirely non-Ukrainians absolutely far away Nazis.
Why nobody killed this sadism bustard before 1930-Communist we do not forget... your time will come, we allready are prepaired for it, just watch and see what will happen with russia
"....and then the hunger began...." I'll bet that evil bastard Stalin and his brown nosed psycho cronies ate very well. People that defend this murderous prick or endorse Communism in general are the ones that should be shot.
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А что ж на английском-то? Переписи? Мне и смотреть не надо. Я и так знаю, что Сталин творил с перекройкой границ и статистикой всех времен и народов, а также кто реально жил по всем северным и восточным областям и уездам Малороссии и на советской Украине. Еще скажите, что Крым заселен малороссами от морковкиных заговетей, а Гоголь - исконно укараинский писатель..
Не пишите мне, я не троль и лапшу вашу лживую, то есть антирусскую и антиукраинскую, игнорирую. Случайно забрел в ваше словоблудие.
В Крыме никогда не было украинцев больше 50%, я этого и не утверждал. Но если взять всю херсонскую губернию - то больше. И это не сталинские данные, его еще тогда к переписям не допускали.
Хорошо тем кто и так знает. Не надо ничем свою лапшу подтверждать.
If you mean regions that currenly are Donetska oblast, Kharkivska, Zaporizka and so on - check, please, whether these regions were "rus" in the end of XIX century.
Censuses of Russian Empire and USSR(1897, 1926, 1939) will help you.
Tell us about changes in population structure then.
Не буду утверждать за все регионы, лично знаю(знал) семьи и людей которые испытали эти страсти. Нынешние Житомирская, Кировоградская, Донецкая области.
Я не БетельгеузеМи, за всех не скажу. Может Запорожье, Сумы и окраины нынешней Луганщины ничего такого и не видели. Так было, там не было...
Интересно, кстати, было бы от бетельгейзе услышать почему в донецкой глубинке до сих пор мощно проклевывается суржик. Именно в глубинке, а не в городишках.
1652 Eastern Ukrainians asked Russia to join them to Russian Empire. Eastern Ukrainians are important part of Russian history. Many Ukrainians were heroes of wars against Poland, against Napoleon and Turkey and were high ranked Russian nobles close to czars. Only some idiots can think they can tell Ukrainian from Russian after centuries of mixed marriages. Western Ukraine was left in Polish ruling for 100 more years and is poorest part of Ukraine.
@FlameZ1412 My respect! Even some my fellow Ukrainians believe that bullshit. They say: that's true, nobody of my relatives were starved. But that's because they were very, very smart.
@FlameZ1412 HI! Ukraine has 27 millions of people only in USSR and in frontier areas lived many Ukrainians (near 300.000 of ethical Ukraine´s territory was in RSSFR and BSSR) who was partially exterminated too (for example Kuban). and this scale of extermination is possible if you examine what. See statistics and explanation who and why mostly died (Ukrainian peasants supporters of Ukrainian independence conservative part of Ukraine).
As much as I hate the USSR, I have to say this: The largest number of deaths resulting from Soviet shortcomings in agricultural production ("Holodomor") was in the Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan, then Russia, and only then Ukraine. "Genocide" of Ukrainians by the oppressive Bolsheviks is a nationalistic myth of the pro-Western, Ukrainian ruling elite, easily rebuffed by the preceding fact. Its so easy to invent history these days. I know the facts, however. I am Polish and I live in Danzig :)
@Arseniy776445 The germans killed about 7 million poles...And would have killed ALL poles if they had won the war...Without Russia Poland had not existed today...think about that
@nurmiar I agree with you. Had it not been for the USSR, the very existence of Slavs in Central and Eastern Europe, not just Poles, would have been questionable. If you read Main Kampf, Hitler quite unequivocally calls for the extermination of Slavs and labels us a race incapable of a high level of civilization. The USSR did a tremendous service in rescuing the various non-Aryan populations of Europe from Nazi persecution. My issue with the USSR, however, is its betrayal of Poland at Katyn!
@Arseniy776445 It was the betrayal only of small group of Polish rulers. The decent Poles have nothing to do with admitting by Polish exile government of Nazi lies.
@tagaphon I don't even understand what you said, your English is so atrocious. It was not the betrayal of "a small group of Poles". That is incorrect!!! During the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939), over 250,000 prisoners were taken. The Polish government ordered its army not to resist the Soviets in any way and to defend against the Nazis coming from the west. The 250,000 prisoners were translocated to Siberia, and the executions at Katyn were against ranking officers and Polish intelligentsia.
@Arseniy776445 I can't see from your profile, where are you from? From US or some other far away place? Your English seems to be not native either, but any European doesn't need many efforts to learn that from 250 000 POWs practically 90% were set free at once. In some months, two or three I don't remember, and all these POWs became citizens of Soviet Union. Most of POWs but not Polish minority. That were Ukrainian and Belorussian lands that Soviet Union returned, remember?
@tagaphon I lived in Canada for 10 years, but I live in Danzig now. 90% set free at once?? No, 30,000 - 40,000 were set free, and these were ethnic Belorussians and Ukrainians. Ethnic Poles, however, were sent to Gulags in Siberia or killed. Some survivors, however, were later sent to the Belorussian front to assist in the Soviet recapture of Poland. These were ethnic Poles. Vladimir Putin even conceded this point on television in Krakow. What is the source of your information???
@Arseniy776445 Let's make so. You read in Wiki about that time, about general Anders, Katyn etc on Polish, English and if you can on Russian sides. To this time your level of knowledge doesn't allow serious discussion. As for my sources, I'm 54, I've spoken to many people of the age of my father and older. I repeat: there were no Western Ukrainian and Belorussian POWs in Siberia or elsewhere in prisons. You seems to want to get truth and not just to shit arount like bennysiegel.
@tagaphon I know there weren't Ukrainians and Belorussians in Siberia, I agree. I said in my previous reply that they were released immediately following their capture during the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939. They numbered some 30 - 40 thousand in total and were transferred to contingents of the Soviet Red Army following release. The same cannot be said of captured ethnic Poles, however. I think it time for you to reread the Wikipedia article on Katyn, as a start.
@Arseniy776445 Add one zero to these 30 thousands. Majority of POWs were Ukrainians and Belorussians. After agreement with Germany, every POW born in Western Ukraine and Belorussia were sent to Soviet Union, every one born in Poland, occupied by Germany was sent to Germany. So even Ukrainian or Belorussian soldiers were captured in Western Poland, they were sent to Soviet Union, and every Pole, born in Poland, was sent to Germans.
@tagaphon again, take a look at the Wikipedia article about Katyn and the Soviet invasion of Pland in 1939.
Every nation has dark moments in its history, and Russia/USSR is no exception. Poland isn't either. We committed atrocities against ethnic Russians when Belarus and Ukraine were part of the Kingdom of Poland. These atrocities were due to religious discrepancies and ethnic racism.
@Arseniy776445 The best way we speak openly about every dark moment of our history. We mustn't forget that we are brothers. We are Slavs, and we mustn't forget that not froggy Bennisiegel would mind our business, we must do it ourselve. Surely I've read everything written in Wiki, in English, Polish and Russian side about Katyn. And I've read plenty of other information. If you have time, you'd defend Goebbels theory and I'll try to destroy it. But not forget, I'm not Stalin.
@tagaphon hhahahahahahha thats classic : Surely I've read everything written in Wiki, in English, Polish and Russian side about Katyn
IN WIKI? you are dumber then nowdays emo kid. AND YOU EVEN ADMITT. Who gives a shit about files,vitnesses,memiors,evidences,investigation?...... BUT YOU READ WIKI and you DARE to CLAIM to have any knowlege? I see the tradition of shiting in woredrobe is still alive, not practicly cuz of NATO, but definetly metafisicly
@tagaphon BERLING!!!!!!!!,Beria (niet z etymi, z nimi my zdzielali bolszoi oszybku!!!) who else do you need here? Stalin (no ani ubierzali w Mandzurie) do they are also part of Geobbels secret plan? Including Boris Nikolajevich, Wladimir Wladimirovich and Dimitryj Antolijewich? You are better then Don Brown, whose books definitly you are familiar. Its a pitty that you cant think logicly cuz you could be better then Wiktor Rezun
@Arseniy776445 You'd may see notes from somebody with the nick rakuu. I'll try not to answer him. I have reasons to think, that that's not real person, but hired troll. There is no sense for me to try to convince him. So if you want me to answer his questions, just repeat them.
@tagaphon uhmm if in Woj. Nowogrodzkie total number of inh. was 800,000, out of which 435,000 where Poles, then 260,000 Jews, 35,000 Tatars, 20,000 Starowiercy, and 20,000 decleared as Belarus, then Western Belarussia ouhgt to be somwhere near Bobroujsk. But the major question, what the FUCK did CCCP in international reognised (by CCCP as well) nieghboring country, while he was struggling against nazi invaders? You know basic of maths do you?
@tagaphon General Anders was a captured Balt German who was also an officer of the Polish Army. He was tortured in Lyubanka prision in Moscow, and then released when it was politically convenient for the Soviets to do so. They hoped that he would form a sizable army of Poles fighting along side the Red Army against the Nazi's. He and his men fled to Britian via the Persian corridor. He's an example of Soviet repression and exploitation against ethnic Poles.
@Arseniy776445 Was there on the side not the number of Poles, that escaped to Iran? Do you remember the time when, the army of Anders were armed, and when it escaped to Iran? Do you remember what happened to this time on front, what obligation had England and its ally Poland towards Soviet Union?
@tagaphon well HOW and WHY did they found themselves in CCCP? Any special diplomatic invitation was done? Anders was not armed you dickhead, that was one of the reasons of his evacuation.....no accomodation, military training and no riffle. But if they had just enough riffiles, they would knew to whom shoot first, which enemy of 1939 campaign was availible.
@Arseniy776445 One more thing. Please don't think that I'm wanting to darken Poles. I do remember many heroic Poles, Rokossovski, the greater commander of ww2, was Pole as well, there are many Poles in Russian history.
As your slavic leaders called enslavement of the West so what was the difference. Why should have Hitler let polish cheka pigs rape, loot and kill innocent germans like you scum did to the russian nobility and so called kulaks you retards couldn't even define. And no don't say slavics were the major victims of bolsheviks. You were not. Real victims were people like kalmyks, volga germans, baltic people and tatars. Good that Hitler made you see how brutality feels like.
@BENNYSIEGEL90 (1) I can barely infer from your paragraph what you even meant to say, your English is so bad. (2) Innocent Germans? haha If you're referring to the German forced exodus from Danzig, I will remind you that Danzig was founded by a Polish king before it became East Prussia. The minorities that you mention (Balts, Volga Germ, Kalmyks, etc.) numbered no more that a few million people total. The number of Slavs that died as a result of USSR's repressions exceeds that considerably.
@Arseniy776445 Hitler indeed thought that slavs are inferior to german and nordic races, but the genocide of all german and nordic is an outrageous lie made by jewish media. Less than 1% of worlds population was going to kill the whole world, 4 milliards.. really..?
There was nothing, absolutely nothing good in Stalins regime!
@kaahaajaFIN (1) Slavs, Jew, Hungarians, etc. are not the whole world. By exterminating these populations, which is what Hitler wanted to do, he would not have "killed the whole world". (2) Jewish media? lol, there are plenty of other manipulators in the media besides Jews. The main source of evil comes from top Western executives, politicians, and religious leader, not Jews (although some are part of this). (3) Nothing good from Stalin's regime? Maybe not for Germany, but Soviets dont think so.
@Arseniy776445 (1) The jewish media has told that Germany wanted to conquer the whole world and kill all who were non-german. So, basicly the whole world.
(2) Dont you get it? Jews decide what makes to the news, what to show, what to not show and what propaganda to make. Jews control wests banks. You can look it up yourself. Every european major banks leader are jewish. I can link you about a hundred thousand videos about the jewish control of west.
@Arseniy776445 (3) Yes, nothing good from Stalin's regime. Those who survived from Stalins famines had to live under constant fear of death. They had to live very poorly, had no civil rights, absolutely no rights for free speech. If you published anything with a critic tone about the almighty USSR, you were interrogated and killed.
What a fucking safe haven... How can you defend such regime? I guess some people (like you) should experience the horrors themselves before commenting.
West supported your beloved system pal. Anyway I believe Hitler was not well liked by most of his commanders who tried to follow the ancient german military traditions and distance themselves from the SS.
Hell, is there a single at least half idiot, who can put two and two? Long ago proved that all these horrible 'holodomor' pictures are taken everywhere but in Eastern Ukraina. Ask any Eastern Ukrainian and he'll say HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HOLODOMOR until now!!! Was that possible with MILLIONS of victims as here is told?
This documentary really lights a fire in the ass of neoStalinists, love it. Better still most of this footage is from Soviet Archives and simply can't be denied without critically subverting the natsayers. Turn off the volume, erase uniform distinctions and the optics tell it all; this could easily be mistaken as Nazi thugs. Happens to be Bolshevik thugs thus the shrill emotional outcries. You see, Stalin defeated the Nazis so he's the good guy.Pre and postwar events show a dictator exchange.
@TheAmazingamerica Hadn't thought of that. Almost comes close to German efficiency. Soviets also contiued to utilize Nazi concentration camps up till the mid 50s for convenience sake. GDR camps were old Nazi camps used to imprison patriots and freedom fighters. The Holodomor should have placed the SU on the same par as Japan, who was ousted from the League. Check out the movie Famine-33, its a gutwrenching account in movie form.
@chickenwretch I read the book from John Sacks, Eye for an Eye, that was the first time I had heard of them using the camps after the war, As for the movie, Ok, I shall check it out, thank-you!
Hate that my world history teacher denied everything about this event whenever I would ask anything about this. I'm ukrainian, so it kind of boiled me up in the inside that she never spoke/mentioned anything about this, and rejected any evidence about it. fuck communism and fuck false propaganda.
A famine ordered by a Georgian and implemented overwhelmingly by Russians and Ukrainians get blamed by many of the racist cunts on here on Jews. Fucking pathetic.
@Marchiussify; Stalin sent the Ukrainian intellectuals (including teachers) to the mass graves weeks before the Holodomor. There are witnesses of the genocide, who are now elderly here in Chile and especially in Argentina. And the Volga Germans were almost completely exterminated in 1932 and 1933 by the communists.
@oscar85768 You idiot! Around you are not Eastern Ukrainians, who are said to be victims of Holodomor, but Western ones, former pro-Nazi murderers. Many Volga Germans are living now not on Volga, but they are even more numerous than before. And they left Volga not in 1932 but in 1941, when all Germans were deported, as they were in all countries, that fought against Germany.
I am not in favour of communism but when looking carefully at the usual anti-communism propaganda, I first noticed the simplistic stupidity, then the laughable naivety of its followers (Stalin killing 10 millions by waving his magical pipe) and later, how unsubstantiated the whole thing is.
@Fridaey13txhOktober There is some reason: even the smartest think: there must be something behind it. If not 10 mlns, then Stalin should kill one million or at least 100 000, so he is so or so tyrant and murderer.
You are the dumb one. Russian government even today admits that 7 million died but just all around the Soviet Union. Are you calling your anti-american GOD Putin a liar? Surely not but I know if it was up to you all soviet deaths expect WW2 would be wipe out of history books.
Second only to Ukrainians condemnation of the Holdomor are Soviet romanticists, who must shuck and jive away the Bolsheviks blame in this. The grand audacity shown by Stalins purges, gulags, starvations, deportations, and one-party rule were a real eye opener for Hitler; he saw how much a bunch of gangsters could get away with and still retain power. Indeed, that these very villians could be loved and adored by victims and their families. No coincidence when Panzer tacts were perfected in USSR.
@Zydocommy I think you might have confused my opinion with someone else's just below it. that person actually said, "excellent author vasili grossman", not me. As I said, I am still learning various aspects (you'd admit you aren't the only one who takes account of these things seriously, and there are others who purely want to see the event in different scope). From the beginning I was not offending you but was surprised to see different opinions on that fact. Sorry if you took it that way.
@Zydocommy Okay, I didn't say that I "admire" that particular author or his work. And I know that Russian literature is so great (would I pay thousands of dollars to something that isn't great?), including those writers, for sure. This book, just one part of it, was to see the opinions of famine itself, not about the literature at all. the whole course is not even about the literature, but the social influences, histories or culture development that had been placed in Kyiv. It's simply one part.
@Zydocommy I see what you emphasize. Obviously, I am learning still and learning process takes different virtues and aspects; thus you shouldn't be too quick to judge the other. so your way of thinking as to say "perverse way" is just too much of your own side. If an author wanted to produce the horror and tragedy of the event, that is enough.Thanks for the pointing out, but your expressions are truly fierce for no reason.
Oh wait,,,, it might not be the 'national pride' for you might not be an Ukrainian too.... Seems to be a Polish, but anyways, I was surprised to see different aspects as to the event, actually.
so you mean, the "Nazis" are trying to make more "bubbly truth" to make their sin to be minimized? Well, I'm not Ukrainian at all, in fact, I am from Korea; and obviously my friend is nothing like Nazis- he was educated in L'viv until his post-secondary education and don't have any ideology shared with Nazis (none of his family too).. Sorry if those "Nazis" hurt your national pride
@jennicehkyang There is nothing about national pride. I'm partly Eastern Ukrainian, partly Russian, as very many in Russia and in Ukraina, and can recognize Western Ukrainians by language. It's East Ukraina who is said to be suffered by 'holodomor'. Buddy from Lviv has nothing to say here. Western Ukraina was part of Poland then and their famines are not Stalin's and not Russian guilt. As I said, most of these 'suffered Ukrainians' are Western ones, funny, isn't?
Oh, you actually meant Juda- who sold Christ... Sorry I thought you're mentioning that as another way of using metaphor of Jewish population.... You know sometimes the population can be metaphorically called as "Israel" itself......
@Zydocommy really? I just finished the book written by Vasily Grossman that was taken from a Class about Kyiv , taught by Ukrainian native professor....and that book delivers same messages as the video here. Also my friend from Ukraine 2 years ago also agreed to the messages from this video. there are other documentary films that contains very similar pictures as this one and that was filmed by Ukrainian education department, dubbed in Russian... it was played in Kyiv high school.check it out.
@jennicehkyang excellent author vasili grossman.Also try reading the works of ilya ehrenburg who was a devout communist but grew disenchanted of the idea after witnessing the crimes of communism...quite a turnaround after preaching wanton killing of germans and nazis during ww2.
I'm Ukrainian. I'm lost my grandfather - good farmer. My grand mother always fear hunger... And this fear in my soul. But there is and sacred memory of pride and ravange!
@RaverSturm You are not Ukrainian. You are paid Judas. Just now you sold your grandfather for stinky dollars or zloty. I bet he'll come in your every dream cuz you called him Nazi.
@tagaphon What? How did he call his grandfather Nazi? I think there's a language problem itself.... and you easily judged him with using Anti-Semitic comments- are you really proud of yourself?
@tagaphon of course I know what Bible is, for I am a Christian. But what was that comment to do with selling his grandfather and called to be a Jewish, let alone you have this nuance of negative connotation on Jews? He seems to be around mid-30s and if his father was the youngest, then his grandfather could have been true! I'm 26 now but my paternal grandmother who is still alive is 95. Get it?
@jennicehkyang I meant not Jews, I meant somebody with the name Juda. Sorry, I misspelled the name. As you see, the guy doesn't protest. So I was right.
@ohmgrown1991 Stalin's "inner circle" was overwhelmingly non-Jewish. The few Jews that managed to rise in prominence during the reign of the Bolsheviks overwhelmingly were arrested and murdered when their usefulness was at an end. The most prominent, Leon Trotsky, was assassinated.
Most of the genocides that took place in the 20th century were orchestrated by socialists, not "Jews". There is a distinct difference between the two, as German National Socialism most aptly demonstrated.
This makes me sick. I was in Ukraine, Kyiv. I was with some people, Ukrainians, not Russians. One person told me their grandfather was captured by Stalin in WWII. I said better than Hitler. They were like, what is the differenece? Stalin needs universal shame on him like Hitler. His evils need to be in every school textbook around the world.
@nurmiar Don't forget to mention, that it were WESTERN UKRAINIANS. There are not more cruel than Eastern ones, only they were very angry towards Poles, which oppressed them for centuries. If someone doesn't get it, this movie is about Eastern Ukrainians who are said to be victims of Stalin, but after 7 years they fought for Stalin as good as Russians.
@tagaphon yeah we oppressed them so much that for 700 years we coegsisted in one state on equal rights and duties. You should read a telegrafic depech from Stalin to Koniev from Aug. 1941, as Sosso is complaining about ukrainian traitors who welcome and surrender to Germans
@tagaphon OK, WESTERN ucrainians helped the germans to murder about 50000 at Babi Jar 1941...At Treblinka, Majdanek and helped Dirlewanger to murder thousands of civilians1944 at the Warsczawa uprising..plus murder partisans and POW:s
@nurmiar You understand, what I mean. Some regard the cooperation of Western Ukrainians with Hitler as prove of the hatred of Ukrainians toward Russia and Stalin for Holodomor, but 'holodomor' is said to in Eastern Ukraine, while Western parts were still occupied by Poland.
@Zydocommy Im Croatian, but im still a jugoslav bit like you i hate the us, especially their politics. They destroyed my country and destabilized the whole region. Because of the americans my own people hate each other ... The reason i hate Stalin is that he killed in name of communism and that doesnt stand for unity between the slavic people. Isnt it true that he killed many people in the ussr? And also he had a pact with Hitler. For me he is traitor. What is your opinion about him?
@BadBlueBoyZG86 Fucking Anglo-saxons,what you know about Russian history?You is imperialists,yanks killed vietnameese women and children,burned Songmi,dropped nuclear bombs in Japan, started total war in Middle-East now,killed Miloshevich,Hussein, Caddaffi,bombed Belgrad in 90-s,in 2008 georgians killed thousands South Osetian & Russian people and BUSH HELPED.WE WILL TAKE REVENGE!!!There will be new big process such as in Nurnberg.Gringos,englishmans you will be murdered!!!!
@Zydocommy Hahahahaha!!! Your country is a piece of shit. Your country has the worst history of any nation on Earth. 9/10 people would chose living in the U.S.A. over Russia. I know some Russians that now live in America. They said Russia is a terrible place to live. People live in ugly buildings...have no land. They have a 8 room home with 1 acre of land...something they would never have in Russia. Just face it, your country sucks...people live horrible.
@Zydocommy Yes, we did help....If it takes force to free people of communist/dictator regimes, the U.S. will indeed use military force. In 1989, the Berlin Wall came down...Eastern Europe finally became free of the evil Soviet (Russian) communist regime. In 1990, the U.S.S.R. collapsed. The West (U.S.A.) won the Cold War.....GET OVER IT!!! Russia has a terrible history....one of the worst of all nations of the world. Stop trying to defend it. Russia sucks...nobody wants to live in Russia.
The Soviet Union starved 7 million innocent people to death...and, then Stalin murdered 20 million of his own people. What a bunch of sick, sadistic people. I am so thankful that I was born and raised in the United States of America...the greatest country on Earth...The U.S.A., where everybody wants to live.
@Zydocommy You are so wrong. The U.S.A. was in Korea to help the South Koreans from the evil North Korea. The U.S.A.. was in Vietnam to help the South from the evil communists. The U.S.A. basically goes into other countries to help them from evil communist regimes. The U.S.A. DOES NOT set up concentration camps and murder people because of their nationality or religion. YOURS DID! The U.S.A. helps nations and saves them from evil communist regimes and dictators. Ignorant commie! Hahahahaha!
@SubSlaveCD I might add that N.korea INVADED S.korea, a sovreign nation. Archives now reveal Stalin was up to his neck in this endeavor, and Mao and Stalin discussed the realities of a post nuclear war world. They figured the 2 of them were more potent than the US and UK, and that this post-war world would be rebuilt on socialism. I've found America-haters are cultish and superstitious when viewing history; true regressive revisionists, in denial of tyrants they love.
@Zydocommy Hahahaha! You are so amusing! Since you are from Russia, you must be ashamed of the history of your country. I certainly would be. Your country, Russia, has a terrible history. Russia murdered 20+ million innocent people. Your country starved millions of people to death. Your country, Russia, killed over 20 million people...sending them to Gulags to be killed. Your country was communist from 1917-1990 and oppressed its people. The U.S.A. NEVER did any such things.
I think these people that respond about the U.S.A. must be Germans or Russians and very ashamed of what their countries did to innocent people...I WOULD BE ASHAMED AS WELL!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!! Germany and Russia have murdered more innocent people than any other nation on Earth. As for Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, muslim terrorists attacked the U.S.A., and the U.S.A. responded. These idiots should know not to mess with a superpower like America.
@MsEmnic Also, MsEmnic, the U.S.A. NEVER starved millions of people to death. The U.S.A. has spent billions of dollars helping other nations of the world. The U.S.A. never invaded other countries and built extermination/concentration camps and exterminated millions of people. The U.S.A. is a huge great superpower built on immigration, and we have all peoples of the world in one. The U.S.A. DOES NOT never did and never will exterminate people because of their religion or race. You're stupid.
@SubSlaveCD im sorry, but didnt US start with genocide? More or less? Stalin took the grain, US military had the buffalo killed, for a reason. And US invade? Youtube "us intervention" "cia guetemala" etc. etc. etc. etc. Hell, what about Iraq, for that matter? Weapons of mass destruction? What about Hawaii, for christ sake? See what US did to the queen of that country, wiki Queen Liliuokalani. Threw her ass in jail, "sign, or else". Dont go to your grave being a blind man.
@MsEmnic Hahahaha! You are so amusing. The U.S.A. never did such things. The U.S.A. liberated Europe form the evil German Nazi's. Also, the U.S.A. has helped more countries in the world than any other country and has spent billions of dollars to help other countries. I think you Germans and Russians are just ashamed of your countries because your countries have murdered MILLIONS of innocent people. The U.S.A. never did such things. The U.S.A. certainly never starved millions of people.
@MsEmnic Um actually, Opel was a subsidiary of General Motors, which was founded by William C. Durant. You didn't address any issue, you just said that Germany had trucks. Germany produced the trucks in Germany. The design was sold to them in the late 1920's and then produced in the 1930's, a few years before Nazi Germany even rose to power.
Soviet Union and Germany...such pathetic, sick societies. These two countries have the worst history of any nation on Earth. They had 2 sick and sadistic leaders...Hitler and Stalin...both evil men.
@Kettenhund1000 The U.S.A. is not a sick society. It's a civilized society. Why can't you just admit that Germany and Russia have the worst, barbaric history of any nation. In fact, Russia even murdered more of its own people than Germany did.
@SubSlaveCD germany ...have the worst barbaric history of any nation? OMG, you are an american dumbhead just knowing how to eat hamburgers. first, go back to school and learn more about european and especially about german history. but dont learn just about 12 years of germanys history. germany exists much longer. after this come back and we can talk again. so hurry up.
btw. how barbaric is it to kill children in iraq and afghanistan?
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Согласен, что эту туфту лепил кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг в друга, а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов. Против этого не попрешь.
Давно прощено, война вместе пережита, дети рядом выросли, а то и переженились..
reverterinire 1 day ago
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ПОВТОР для СПАМЕРОВ,они же уроды
Теоретик хренов.Без воплей ясно,кто эту туфту лепил и кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг другу в глотки,а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов.Против этого попрешь?
А с долбанными аргументами не лезь, если не знаешь что означает давно простить соседа, который покаялся тысячу раз и вину на войне искупил
BetelgeuseMy 1 day ago
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why 'holodomor' is bullshit.
1/There were found no graves.
2. The statistics shows no reducing of the number of population.
3. There is no possibillity for anyone to tell Russian from Ukrainian.
4. There were no emigrants from Eastern Ukraina (which was told to be starving) to Poland or Romania,but Romanians emigrated to Ukraine.
5. Some years later Eastern Ukrainians fought against Hitler and for Stalin as desperately as Russians (not to compare to Western one, former Polish citizens)
tagaphon 2 days ago
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These are proves that 'holodomor' is bullshit.
1/There were found no graves.
2. The statistics shows no reducing of the number of population.
3. There is no possibility for anyone to tell Russian from Ukrainian.
4. There were no emigrants from Eastern Ukraine (which was told to be starving) to Poland or Romania, contrary, Romanians emigrated to Ukraine.
5. The Eastern Ukrainians fought against Hitler as desperately as Russians.
fiorAvanti1917 3 days ago
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tagaphon 1 week ago
Ющенко собрал в своей книге памяти голодомора менее миллиона имен. Сюда вошли почти все умершие за ДВА года: от голода, от несчастных случаев, от старости.Помимо этого среди "убитых клятыми москалями" - список избирателей 2000 года одного из сел Сумской области - известный скандал. Да и так подумать, даже 1млн из 27 - это катастрофа, когда люди удирают, куда глаза глядят. Вот только не надо про оцепление. Сколько надо держать солдат, чтобы оцепить деревню в 1000 душ со всеми полями, пастбищами?
fiorAvanti1917 1 week ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Оцепление, дорогой.С запретом прохода без спецпропуска в обе стороны. В тех селах тоже не сиротки жили. И не все на то время в селе сидели. Иначе б мы с тобой сейчас не разговаривали :(
BetelgeuseMy 5 days ago
@BetelgeuseMy Дурак ты, батенька. Плохо, что сейчас все от армии косят. Раньше бы последний двоечник идею с оцеплением бы высмеял. Выдумано это было не для русских, для пиндосов, а верить начали только теперь, и то я сомневаюсь, может придуриваешься?
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917 На том и остановимся. Во-первых, я буду дурак, откосивший от армии и последний двоешник, далее по списку. Во-вторых, ты идешь в роли умницы и отличника, и как любой отличник, умеешь пахать, от практики не косишь.Так что давай - выезжай летом на соответствующую по природе местность и просчитывай: какой регулярной и идейной численностью поставишь полную блокаду и задавишь за зиму пару-другую губерний кулаков, вооруженных вилами. (см дальше)
BetelgeuseMy 5 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Не забудь в проект внести изъять до блокады зерно+фураж,скот и лошадей(транспортн.технику, по нынешним временам) и сделать поправку, что в селе тайн от соседей не бывает, да и на стук. Прощевай до осени по этому вопросу
А до остальных нюансов - то конечно, Украина для теплолюбивых жидов, пендосовских в том числе, выглядит аппетитней. И бабки через Ющеку-Януковича мыть проще, чем через Путяру+Ко. На нацвопросе, например, взамен классового. И ищут дураков.
Без меня.
BetelgeuseMy 5 days ago
@BetelgeuseMy Даже учитывая, то, что оружия до 1941 никто у населения не изымал (даже пистолеты были почти у каждого, ружья в тч охотничьи). Хрен с ним, пускай с вилами. Я от полка в течение полугода по любому уйду в какую нибудь Польшу. Только хрен! Как из Польши контрабанду тащить, так сто порций, вся Москва в польских шмотках ходила, а в Польшу слабо было голодающих переправить? Вон, через два года из Румынии народ в СССР тысячами тикал, и кого поймали?
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@BetelgeuseMy Извини, что реалий рассказывать не буду, хотя слышал об голоде 1933-34 от бабушек. Я еще не знаю, ты честный заблуждающийся или подлюка-вражина, которому эти реалии помогут в буржуйской пропаганде. Поэтому просто слегка потыкаю носом в нелогичности и брехню.
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Дурак все ж не я,увы
Попробуй-ка в ходе практики,умник,как-нибудь из своего дома в деревне тикануть навсегда с бабой и ребятами так,чтоб сосед справа и сосед слева,что за тобой вовсю глядят,а точнее на твою землю и твое добро,им до кучи обещанное,глядят,не заметили.Вот тебе и вся Румыния-Польша.
А как проходят через "ослепшие"войсковые оцепления-это совсем недавно видели,что тут лишние семьдесят лет накручивать?И вопрос-кто заблуждающийся,а кто лжец,а значит и подлюка-вражина?
BetelgeuseMy 4 days ago
@BetelgeuseMy Абсолютно установленный факт, что на территории Польши и Румынии ни ОДНОГО голодающего с Украины не было. В том числе и из пограничных областей, где все ходили друг другу в гости через границу, не смотря на запреты. Вон даже пиндосы на границе с Мексикой могут отловить далеко не всех перебежчиков, а у них и лазеры, и собаки и стена в 6 метров.
fiorAvanti1917 4 days ago
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@fiorAvanti1917 Теоретик хренов.Без воплей ясно,кто эту туфту лепил и кому выгодно,чтоб граждане Украины славянских кровей вцепились друг другу в глотки,а заодно зацепили граждан России славянских кровей,чтоб не осталось их ни в России,ни в Украине. Мешают делить богатства и деньги отмывать массонам всех стран и народов. Против этого попрешь?
А с долбанными аргументами не лезь, если не знаешь что означает давно простить соседа, который покаялся тысячу раз и вину на войне искупил.
BetelgeuseMy 3 days ago
А то голодомор только в Херсонской был, а в Херсонской перед тем, как оцепление ставить, всех по этнической принадлежности рассортировали...
Хорошо тем, у кого своя голова на плечах - лапша на ушах не виснет.
Больше не пишу, для меня это личная боль :(
BetelgeuseMy 1 week ago
What? 7 000 000? Where did you get that insane bullshit from??
You can talk about max. 1.5 mln death having - diectly or indirectly - somethig to do with the depression due to Collectivastion - itis another question, what do we have to do with it - but why the hell, in the eyes of the Bandera's, we blooodthisty communists must personnnaly eat trilliards? is 1.5 mln of population not enough??
acb1511 1 week ago
These are proves that 'holodomor' is bullshit.
1/There were found no graves.
2. The statistics shows no reducing of the number of population.
3. There is no possibility for anyone to tell Russian from Ukrainian.
4. There were no emigrants from Eastern Ukraine (which was told to be starving) to Poland or Romania, contrary, Romanians emigrated to Ukraine.
fiorAvanti1917 1 week ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Some cripto-conspirolgical crap, while the whole "millions dead by Collectivisation" is already a weird conspirological crap. Let the ultra-right seek Bolsheviks under teir bed, we don't have to.
acb1511 1 week ago
@acb1511 And for every greedy farmer, who set fields on fire/slaughtered cattle - no to be "equallised" with peasants and hired lauborers - there lies a beutifull act somewhere in NKVD archives on Lybyanka)))
acb1511 1 week ago
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Why not ask Ukrainians? And better of all Eastern Ukrainians, who fought for Stalin and Soviet Union during ww2. Were they idiots to sacrifice their lives for their torturers or idiots are you who believe this horror tales invented by Hitler and later continued by American capitalists? Everyone I met here was either Western Ukrainian from pro-Nazi gangs or entirely non-Ukrainians absolutely far away Nazis.
tagaphon 2 weeks ago
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Why nobody killed this sadism bustard before 1930-Communist we do not forget... your time will come, we allready are prepaired for it, just watch and see what will happen with russia
YehudaRabuni 2 weeks ago
"....and then the hunger began...." I'll bet that evil bastard Stalin and his brown nosed psycho cronies ate very well. People that defend this murderous prick or endorse Communism in general are the ones that should be shot.
muzzster1970 2 weeks ago
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LordLindsey12 2 weeks ago
А что ж на английском-то? Переписи? Мне и смотреть не надо. Я и так знаю, что Сталин творил с перекройкой границ и статистикой всех времен и народов, а также кто реально жил по всем северным и восточным областям и уездам Малороссии и на советской Украине. Еще скажите, что Крым заселен малороссами от морковкиных заговетей, а Гоголь - исконно укараинский писатель..
Не пишите мне, я не троль и лапшу вашу лживую, то есть антирусскую и антиукраинскую, игнорирую. Случайно забрел в ваше словоблудие.
BetelgeuseMy 3 weeks ago
@BetelgeuseMy ну вы же мне пишете :)
В Крыме никогда не было украинцев больше 50%, я этого и не утверждал. Но если взять всю херсонскую губернию - то больше. И это не сталинские данные, его еще тогда к переписям не допускали.
Хорошо тем кто и так знает. Не надо ничем свою лапшу подтверждать.
airsilf 1 week ago
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tagaphon 3 weeks ago
@tagaphon Я свидетельствую на могильных камнях моих предков, что нацизм на Украине был абсолютное зло, и голодомор был в руских районах на Украине.
I bear witness on gravestones of my ancestors, that nazism on Ukraine was absolute evil, and the famine was in the rus'areas on Ukraine.
BetelgeuseMy 3 weeks ago
@BetelgeuseMy
Which areas are rus? Your version, please...
If you mean regions that currenly are Donetska oblast, Kharkivska, Zaporizka and so on - check, please, whether these regions were "rus" in the end of XIX century.
Censuses of Russian Empire and USSR(1897, 1926, 1939) will help you.
Tell us about changes in population structure then.
airsilf 3 weeks ago
@airsilf Я могу с полной отсветсвенностью заявить от первых лиц, что у меня в ХО - никаких шекспировских стастей не проихсодило вообще))
Не надо наговаривать))
acb1511 1 week ago
@acb1511 может вам там больше повезло.
Не буду утверждать за все регионы, лично знаю(знал) семьи и людей которые испытали эти страсти. Нынешние Житомирская, Кировоградская, Донецкая области.
Я не БетельгеузеМи, за всех не скажу. Может Запорожье, Сумы и окраины нынешней Луганщины ничего такого и не видели. Так было, там не было...
Интересно, кстати, было бы от бетельгейзе услышать почему в донецкой глубинке до сих пор мощно проклевывается суржик. Именно в глубинке, а не в городишках.
airsilf 1 week ago
1652 Eastern Ukrainians asked Russia to join them to Russian Empire. Eastern Ukrainians are important part of Russian history. Many Ukrainians were heroes of wars against Poland, against Napoleon and Turkey and were high ranked Russian nobles close to czars. Only some idiots can think they can tell Ukrainian from Russian after centuries of mixed marriages. Western Ukraine was left in Polish ruling for 100 more years and is poorest part of Ukraine.
tagaphon 3 weeks ago
What in the shitttt
Who are you persuading???
7mill???
Do you even know the population of Ukraine back then???? Starve to death 7mill????!??!?
Even hitler couldn't break that record on killing Jews, and he's actually KILLING them and not STARVING
It's ridiculous my social teacher actually showed me this garbage
2 words for this video:Garbage
FlameZ1412 3 weeks ago
@FlameZ1412 My respect! Even some my fellow Ukrainians believe that bullshit. They say: that's true, nobody of my relatives were starved. But that's because they were very, very smart.
tagaphon 3 weeks ago
@FlameZ1412 HI! Ukraine has 27 millions of people only in USSR and in frontier areas lived many Ukrainians (near 300.000 of ethical Ukraine´s territory was in RSSFR and BSSR) who was partially exterminated too (for example Kuban). and this scale of extermination is possible if you examine what. See statistics and explanation who and why mostly died (Ukrainian peasants supporters of Ukrainian independence conservative part of Ukraine).
victoriskruk 3 weeks ago
@FlameZ1412 This was a genius plan of crushing will to become independent of second biggest s.republic.
victoriskruk 3 weeks ago
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tagaphon 1 month ago
As much as I hate the USSR, I have to say this: The largest number of deaths resulting from Soviet shortcomings in agricultural production ("Holodomor") was in the Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan, then Russia, and only then Ukraine. "Genocide" of Ukrainians by the oppressive Bolsheviks is a nationalistic myth of the pro-Western, Ukrainian ruling elite, easily rebuffed by the preceding fact. Its so easy to invent history these days. I know the facts, however. I am Polish and I live in Danzig :)
Arseniy776445 1 month ago 2
@Arseniy776445 The germans killed about 7 million poles...And would have killed ALL poles if they had won the war...Without Russia Poland had not existed today...think about that
nurmiar 1 month ago 2
@nurmiar I agree with you. Had it not been for the USSR, the very existence of Slavs in Central and Eastern Europe, not just Poles, would have been questionable. If you read Main Kampf, Hitler quite unequivocally calls for the extermination of Slavs and labels us a race incapable of a high level of civilization. The USSR did a tremendous service in rescuing the various non-Aryan populations of Europe from Nazi persecution. My issue with the USSR, however, is its betrayal of Poland at Katyn!
Arseniy776445 1 month ago 2
@Arseniy776445 It was the betrayal only of small group of Polish rulers. The decent Poles have nothing to do with admitting by Polish exile government of Nazi lies.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon I don't even understand what you said, your English is so atrocious. It was not the betrayal of "a small group of Poles". That is incorrect!!! During the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939), over 250,000 prisoners were taken. The Polish government ordered its army not to resist the Soviets in any way and to defend against the Nazis coming from the west. The 250,000 prisoners were translocated to Siberia, and the executions at Katyn were against ranking officers and Polish intelligentsia.
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 I can't see from your profile, where are you from? From US or some other far away place? Your English seems to be not native either, but any European doesn't need many efforts to learn that from 250 000 POWs practically 90% were set free at once. In some months, two or three I don't remember, and all these POWs became citizens of Soviet Union. Most of POWs but not Polish minority. That were Ukrainian and Belorussian lands that Soviet Union returned, remember?
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon I lived in Canada for 10 years, but I live in Danzig now. 90% set free at once?? No, 30,000 - 40,000 were set free, and these were ethnic Belorussians and Ukrainians. Ethnic Poles, however, were sent to Gulags in Siberia or killed. Some survivors, however, were later sent to the Belorussian front to assist in the Soviet recapture of Poland. These were ethnic Poles. Vladimir Putin even conceded this point on television in Krakow. What is the source of your information???
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 Let's make so. You read in Wiki about that time, about general Anders, Katyn etc on Polish, English and if you can on Russian sides. To this time your level of knowledge doesn't allow serious discussion. As for my sources, I'm 54, I've spoken to many people of the age of my father and older. I repeat: there were no Western Ukrainian and Belorussian POWs in Siberia or elsewhere in prisons. You seems to want to get truth and not just to shit arount like bennysiegel.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon I know there weren't Ukrainians and Belorussians in Siberia, I agree. I said in my previous reply that they were released immediately following their capture during the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939. They numbered some 30 - 40 thousand in total and were transferred to contingents of the Soviet Red Army following release. The same cannot be said of captured ethnic Poles, however. I think it time for you to reread the Wikipedia article on Katyn, as a start.
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 Add one zero to these 30 thousands. Majority of POWs were Ukrainians and Belorussians. After agreement with Germany, every POW born in Western Ukraine and Belorussia were sent to Soviet Union, every one born in Poland, occupied by Germany was sent to Germany. So even Ukrainian or Belorussian soldiers were captured in Western Poland, they were sent to Soviet Union, and every Pole, born in Poland, was sent to Germans.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon again, take a look at the Wikipedia article about Katyn and the Soviet invasion of Pland in 1939.
Every nation has dark moments in its history, and Russia/USSR is no exception. Poland isn't either. We committed atrocities against ethnic Russians when Belarus and Ukraine were part of the Kingdom of Poland. These atrocities were due to religious discrepancies and ethnic racism.
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 The best way we speak openly about every dark moment of our history. We mustn't forget that we are brothers. We are Slavs, and we mustn't forget that not froggy Bennisiegel would mind our business, we must do it ourselve. Surely I've read everything written in Wiki, in English, Polish and Russian side about Katyn. And I've read plenty of other information. If you have time, you'd defend Goebbels theory and I'll try to destroy it. But not forget, I'm not Stalin.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon hhahahahahahha thats classic : Surely I've read everything written in Wiki, in English, Polish and Russian side about Katyn
IN WIKI? you are dumber then nowdays emo kid. AND YOU EVEN ADMITT. Who gives a shit about files,vitnesses,memiors,evidences,investigation?...... BUT YOU READ WIKI and you DARE to CLAIM to have any knowlege? I see the tradition of shiting in woredrobe is still alive, not practicly cuz of NATO, but definetly metafisicly
rakuuu85 1 month ago
@tagaphon BERLING!!!!!!!!,Beria (niet z etymi, z nimi my zdzielali bolszoi oszybku!!!) who else do you need here? Stalin (no ani ubierzali w Mandzurie) do they are also part of Geobbels secret plan? Including Boris Nikolajevich, Wladimir Wladimirovich and Dimitryj Antolijewich? You are better then Don Brown, whose books definitly you are familiar. Its a pitty that you cant think logicly cuz you could be better then Wiktor Rezun
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tagaphon 1 month ago
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@Arseniy776445 You'd may see notes from somebody with the nick rakuu. I'll try not to answer him. I have reasons to think, that that's not real person, but hired troll. There is no sense for me to try to convince him. So if you want me to answer his questions, just repeat them.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon uhmm if in Woj. Nowogrodzkie total number of inh. was 800,000, out of which 435,000 where Poles, then 260,000 Jews, 35,000 Tatars, 20,000 Starowiercy, and 20,000 decleared as Belarus, then Western Belarussia ouhgt to be somwhere near Bobroujsk. But the major question, what the FUCK did CCCP in international reognised (by CCCP as well) nieghboring country, while he was struggling against nazi invaders? You know basic of maths do you?
rakuuu85 1 month ago
@tagaphon General Anders was a captured Balt German who was also an officer of the Polish Army. He was tortured in Lyubanka prision in Moscow, and then released when it was politically convenient for the Soviets to do so. They hoped that he would form a sizable army of Poles fighting along side the Red Army against the Nazi's. He and his men fled to Britian via the Persian corridor. He's an example of Soviet repression and exploitation against ethnic Poles.
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 Was there on the side not the number of Poles, that escaped to Iran? Do you remember the time when, the army of Anders were armed, and when it escaped to Iran? Do you remember what happened to this time on front, what obligation had England and its ally Poland towards Soviet Union?
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon well HOW and WHY did they found themselves in CCCP? Any special diplomatic invitation was done? Anders was not armed you dickhead, that was one of the reasons of his evacuation.....no accomodation, military training and no riffle. But if they had just enough riffiles, they would knew to whom shoot first, which enemy of 1939 campaign was availible.
rakuuu85 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 One more thing. Please don't think that I'm wanting to darken Poles. I do remember many heroic Poles, Rokossovski, the greater commander of ww2, was Pole as well, there are many Poles in Russian history.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445
As your slavic leaders called enslavement of the West so what was the difference. Why should have Hitler let polish cheka pigs rape, loot and kill innocent germans like you scum did to the russian nobility and so called kulaks you retards couldn't even define. And no don't say slavics were the major victims of bolsheviks. You were not. Real victims were people like kalmyks, volga germans, baltic people and tatars. Good that Hitler made you see how brutality feels like.
BENNYSIEGEL90 1 month ago
@BENNYSIEGEL90 (1) I can barely infer from your paragraph what you even meant to say, your English is so bad. (2) Innocent Germans? haha If you're referring to the German forced exodus from Danzig, I will remind you that Danzig was founded by a Polish king before it became East Prussia. The minorities that you mention (Balts, Volga Germ, Kalmyks, etc.) numbered no more that a few million people total. The number of Slavs that died as a result of USSR's repressions exceeds that considerably.
Arseniy776445 1 month ago
@Arseniy776445 Hitler indeed thought that slavs are inferior to german and nordic races, but the genocide of all german and nordic is an outrageous lie made by jewish media. Less than 1% of worlds population was going to kill the whole world, 4 milliards.. really..?
There was nothing, absolutely nothing good in Stalins regime!
kaahaajaFIN 3 weeks ago
@kaahaajaFIN (1) Slavs, Jew, Hungarians, etc. are not the whole world. By exterminating these populations, which is what Hitler wanted to do, he would not have "killed the whole world". (2) Jewish media? lol, there are plenty of other manipulators in the media besides Jews. The main source of evil comes from top Western executives, politicians, and religious leader, not Jews (although some are part of this). (3) Nothing good from Stalin's regime? Maybe not for Germany, but Soviets dont think so.
Arseniy776445 3 weeks ago
@Arseniy776445 (1) The jewish media has told that Germany wanted to conquer the whole world and kill all who were non-german. So, basicly the whole world.
(2) Dont you get it? Jews decide what makes to the news, what to show, what to not show and what propaganda to make. Jews control wests banks. You can look it up yourself. Every european major banks leader are jewish. I can link you about a hundred thousand videos about the jewish control of west.
kaahaajaFIN 3 weeks ago
@Arseniy776445 (3) Yes, nothing good from Stalin's regime. Those who survived from Stalins famines had to live under constant fear of death. They had to live very poorly, had no civil rights, absolutely no rights for free speech. If you published anything with a critic tone about the almighty USSR, you were interrogated and killed.
What a fucking safe haven... How can you defend such regime? I guess some people (like you) should experience the horrors themselves before commenting.
kaahaajaFIN 3 weeks ago
@Arseniy776445
West supported your beloved system pal. Anyway I believe Hitler was not well liked by most of his commanders who tried to follow the ancient german military traditions and distance themselves from the SS.
BENNYSIEGEL90 3 weeks ago
Hell, is there a single at least half idiot, who can put two and two? Long ago proved that all these horrible 'holodomor' pictures are taken everywhere but in Eastern Ukraina. Ask any Eastern Ukrainian and he'll say HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HOLODOMOR until now!!! Was that possible with MILLIONS of victims as here is told?
tagaphon 1 month ago
This documentary really lights a fire in the ass of neoStalinists, love it. Better still most of this footage is from Soviet Archives and simply can't be denied without critically subverting the natsayers. Turn off the volume, erase uniform distinctions and the optics tell it all; this could easily be mistaken as Nazi thugs. Happens to be Bolshevik thugs thus the shrill emotional outcries. You see, Stalin defeated the Nazis so he's the good guy.Pre and postwar events show a dictator exchange.
chickenwretch 1 month ago
@chickenwretch Their villages were turned into concentration camps, saved on transportation?
TheAmazingamerica 1 month ago
@TheAmazingamerica Hadn't thought of that. Almost comes close to German efficiency. Soviets also contiued to utilize Nazi concentration camps up till the mid 50s for convenience sake. GDR camps were old Nazi camps used to imprison patriots and freedom fighters. The Holodomor should have placed the SU on the same par as Japan, who was ousted from the League. Check out the movie Famine-33, its a gutwrenching account in movie form.
chickenwretch 1 month ago
@chickenwretch I read the book from John Sacks, Eye for an Eye, that was the first time I had heard of them using the camps after the war, As for the movie, Ok, I shall check it out, thank-you!
TheAmazingamerica 1 month ago
Hate that my world history teacher denied everything about this event whenever I would ask anything about this. I'm ukrainian, so it kind of boiled me up in the inside that she never spoke/mentioned anything about this, and rejected any evidence about it. fuck communism and fuck false propaganda.
219hoosier 2 months ago
@He101A
I have deleted your posts. Stop with the racial slur or I'll ban you from my channel.
enevighet17 2 months ago
A famine ordered by a Georgian and implemented overwhelmingly by Russians and Ukrainians get blamed by many of the racist cunts on here on Jews. Fucking pathetic.
Wingatewasright 2 months ago
So for these famines, why are they only showing pictures of the Volga one, which happened in 1921?
Fridaey13txhOktober 2 months ago
@Marchiussify; Stalin sent the Ukrainian intellectuals (including teachers) to the mass graves weeks before the Holodomor. There are witnesses of the genocide, who are now elderly here in Chile and especially in Argentina. And the Volga Germans were almost completely exterminated in 1932 and 1933 by the communists.
oscar85768 2 months ago
@oscar85768 You idiot! Around you are not Eastern Ukrainians, who are said to be victims of Holodomor, but Western ones, former pro-Nazi murderers. Many Volga Germans are living now not on Volga, but they are even more numerous than before. And they left Volga not in 1932 but in 1941, when all Germans were deported, as they were in all countries, that fought against Germany.
tagaphon 2 months ago
I am not in favour of communism but when looking carefully at the usual anti-communism propaganda, I first noticed the simplistic stupidity, then the laughable naivety of its followers (Stalin killing 10 millions by waving his magical pipe) and later, how unsubstantiated the whole thing is.
Fridaey13txhOktober 2 months ago
@Fridaey13txhOktober There is some reason: even the smartest think: there must be something behind it. If not 10 mlns, then Stalin should kill one million or at least 100 000, so he is so or so tyrant and murderer.
tagaphon 2 months ago
100 000 to 1 million is actually possible, 10 to 110 millions, is not.
Fridaey13txhOktober 2 months ago
@Fridaey13txhOktober
You are the dumb one. Russian government even today admits that 7 million died but just all around the Soviet Union. Are you calling your anti-american GOD Putin a liar? Surely not but I know if it was up to you all soviet deaths expect WW2 would be wipe out of history books.
BENNYSIEGEL90 2 months ago
Nope, you are the one that is dumb, for believing such outrageous propaganda.
Putin anti american? Fuck no, back in 2004, fuel was more expensive in Russia than the US, despite Russia exporting it to the US.
Don´t forget to praise Bush the liberator and Obama the economist too.
Fridaey13txhOktober 2 months ago
Second only to Ukrainians condemnation of the Holdomor are Soviet romanticists, who must shuck and jive away the Bolsheviks blame in this. The grand audacity shown by Stalins purges, gulags, starvations, deportations, and one-party rule were a real eye opener for Hitler; he saw how much a bunch of gangsters could get away with and still retain power. Indeed, that these very villians could be loved and adored by victims and their families. No coincidence when Panzer tacts were perfected in USSR.
chickenwretch 3 months ago 9
Ukraine's lies
FalconfromRF 3 months ago
@FalconfromRF What a hell are you talking about?! are you blind? what do you think is this, Hollywood?!
Marchiussify 2 months ago
@Marchiussify Guessed right! Really it is Hollywood.
tagaphon 2 months ago
@tagaphon so this means that you are a sick nazis
Marchiussify 2 months ago
@Marchiussify This time guessed wrong. Hitler was the one of the first who invented and used the lie about Holodomor (at that time simply 'famine')
tagaphon 2 months ago
@Zydocommy I think you might have confused my opinion with someone else's just below it. that person actually said, "excellent author vasili grossman", not me. As I said, I am still learning various aspects (you'd admit you aren't the only one who takes account of these things seriously, and there are others who purely want to see the event in different scope). From the beginning I was not offending you but was surprised to see different opinions on that fact. Sorry if you took it that way.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@Zydocommy Okay, I didn't say that I "admire" that particular author or his work. And I know that Russian literature is so great (would I pay thousands of dollars to something that isn't great?), including those writers, for sure. This book, just one part of it, was to see the opinions of famine itself, not about the literature at all. the whole course is not even about the literature, but the social influences, histories or culture development that had been placed in Kyiv. It's simply one part.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@Zydocommy I see what you emphasize. Obviously, I am learning still and learning process takes different virtues and aspects; thus you shouldn't be too quick to judge the other. so your way of thinking as to say "perverse way" is just too much of your own side. If an author wanted to produce the horror and tragedy of the event, that is enough.Thanks for the pointing out, but your expressions are truly fierce for no reason.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
Oh wait,,,, it might not be the 'national pride' for you might not be an Ukrainian too.... Seems to be a Polish, but anyways, I was surprised to see different aspects as to the event, actually.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
so you mean, the "Nazis" are trying to make more "bubbly truth" to make their sin to be minimized? Well, I'm not Ukrainian at all, in fact, I am from Korea; and obviously my friend is nothing like Nazis- he was educated in L'viv until his post-secondary education and don't have any ideology shared with Nazis (none of his family too).. Sorry if those "Nazis" hurt your national pride
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@jennicehkyang There is nothing about national pride. I'm partly Eastern Ukrainian, partly Russian, as very many in Russia and in Ukraina, and can recognize Western Ukrainians by language. It's East Ukraina who is said to be suffered by 'holodomor'. Buddy from Lviv has nothing to say here. Western Ukraina was part of Poland then and their famines are not Stalin's and not Russian guilt. As I said, most of these 'suffered Ukrainians' are Western ones, funny, isn't?
tagaphon 3 months ago
@tagaphon Ahh I see.. well, thanks for that information.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
Oh, you actually meant Juda- who sold Christ... Sorry I thought you're mentioning that as another way of using metaphor of Jewish population.... You know sometimes the population can be metaphorically called as "Israel" itself......
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@Zydocommy really? I just finished the book written by Vasily Grossman that was taken from a Class about Kyiv , taught by Ukrainian native professor....and that book delivers same messages as the video here. Also my friend from Ukraine 2 years ago also agreed to the messages from this video. there are other documentary films that contains very similar pictures as this one and that was filmed by Ukrainian education department, dubbed in Russian... it was played in Kyiv high school.check it out.
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@jennicehkyang excellent author vasili grossman.Also try reading the works of ilya ehrenburg who was a devout communist but grew disenchanted of the idea after witnessing the crimes of communism...quite a turnaround after preaching wanton killing of germans and nazis during ww2.
triggersafe 3 months ago
I'm Ukrainian. I'm lost my grandfather - good farmer. My grand mother always fear hunger... And this fear in my soul. But there is and sacred memory of pride and ravange!
RaverSturm 3 months ago
and now Europe an USA look how russia inslave us again. But we will fight!!!
RaverSturm 3 months ago
@RaverSturm You are not Ukrainian. You are paid Judas. Just now you sold your grandfather for stinky dollars or zloty. I bet he'll come in your every dream cuz you called him Nazi.
tagaphon 3 months ago
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jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@tagaphon What? How did he call his grandfather Nazi? I think there's a language problem itself.... and you easily judged him with using Anti-Semitic comments- are you really proud of yourself?
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@jennicehkyang Very easy. Just count how old his grandfather may be. It is time not of imaginary famine, but of World War 2.
tagaphon 3 months ago
@jennicehkyang You ever heard what is Bible?
tagaphon 3 months ago
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@tagaphon of course I know what Bible is, for I am a Christian. But what was that comment to do with selling his grandfather and called to be a Jewish, let alone you have this nuance of negative connotation on Jews? He seems to be around mid-30s and if his father was the youngest, then his grandfather could have been true! I'm 26 now but my paternal grandmother who is still alive is 95. Get it?
jennicehkyang 3 months ago
@jennicehkyang I meant not Jews, I meant somebody with the name Juda. Sorry, I misspelled the name. As you see, the guy doesn't protest. So I was right.
tagaphon 3 months ago
@ohmgrown1991 Stalin's "inner circle" was overwhelmingly non-Jewish. The few Jews that managed to rise in prominence during the reign of the Bolsheviks overwhelmingly were arrested and murdered when their usefulness was at an end. The most prominent, Leon Trotsky, was assassinated.
Most of the genocides that took place in the 20th century were orchestrated by socialists, not "Jews". There is a distinct difference between the two, as German National Socialism most aptly demonstrated.
DrCruel 3 months ago
This makes me sick. I was in Ukraine, Kyiv. I was with some people, Ukrainians, not Russians. One person told me their grandfather was captured by Stalin in WWII. I said better than Hitler. They were like, what is the differenece? Stalin needs universal shame on him like Hitler. His evils need to be in every school textbook around the world.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago 2
@MsEmnic Pact Riebentrop-Molotov rings a bell????
halfnapil 3 months ago
watch?v=miHw4egKbZA
watch some truth and start thinking....
DrMundo74 3 months ago
I only wish the National Socialists eradicated these Bolshevic monsters and liberated Eastern Europe from this communist plague.
freakfurt 3 months ago
And yet,this is embraced by the OWS crowd.Lovely...
tenfed1861 3 months ago
FUCK COMMUNISM AND ALL THE DEVILS AND IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE IN IT!
mikeA2010 3 months ago 22
@mikeA2010 Ucrainians was effective murderers at Treblinka and Majdanek
nurmiar 1 month ago
@nurmiar Don't forget to mention, that it were WESTERN UKRAINIANS. There are not more cruel than Eastern ones, only they were very angry towards Poles, which oppressed them for centuries. If someone doesn't get it, this movie is about Eastern Ukrainians who are said to be victims of Stalin, but after 7 years they fought for Stalin as good as Russians.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon yeah we oppressed them so much that for 700 years we coegsisted in one state on equal rights and duties. You should read a telegrafic depech from Stalin to Koniev from Aug. 1941, as Sosso is complaining about ukrainian traitors who welcome and surrender to Germans
rakuuu85 1 month ago
@tagaphon OK, WESTERN ucrainians helped the germans to murder about 50000 at Babi Jar 1941...At Treblinka, Majdanek and helped Dirlewanger to murder thousands of civilians1944 at the Warsczawa uprising..plus murder partisans and POW:s
nurmiar 1 month ago
@nurmiar You understand, what I mean. Some regard the cooperation of Western Ukrainians with Hitler as prove of the hatred of Ukrainians toward Russia and Stalin for Holodomor, but 'holodomor' is said to in Eastern Ukraine, while Western parts were still occupied by Poland.
tagaphon 1 month ago
@tagaphon Ok..now I understand what you mean.I did not know that it was the western ucrainians who were the killers
nurmiar 1 month ago
@Zydocommy
interesting.
You know the problem is i know many russians.
Some say he was good, but especially tatars for example
hate him, because they say he persecuted the turkish people.
However, thank you for your informations.
I live in Germany, so you can think of the way they are talking
about stalin here. You convinced me to delete my posting.
BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
@BadBlueBoyZG86 you are being lied at mate. Whether from the "western media" or buy by some random guy on yt is for you to decide.
MWcrazyhorse 3 months ago
BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
@BadBlueBoyZG86 Do you know how many the croatians murdered at Jasenovac ? The most cruel concentratin camp in history....
nurmiar 1 month ago
@nurmiar
yes they murdered between 70,000 and 90,000 people,
15,000 jews, 55,000 serbs 5,000 croats, 10,000 gypsis + others
Yes it was very cruel,
however the ustase got what they earned at bleiburg 1945 ...
BadBlueBoyZG86 1 month ago
@Zydocommy
Yes of course/Да я полностью согласен.
96gopnik 3 months ago
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BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
@BadBlueBoyZG86 Fucking Anglo-saxons,what you know about Russian history?You is imperialists,yanks killed vietnameese women and children,burned Songmi,dropped nuclear bombs in Japan, started total war in Middle-East now,killed Miloshevich,Hussein, Caddaffi,bombed Belgrad in 90-s,in 2008 georgians killed thousands South Osetian & Russian people and BUSH HELPED.WE WILL TAKE REVENGE!!!There will be new big process such as in Nurnberg.Gringos,englishmans you will be murdered!!!!
96gopnik 3 months ago
@96gopnik
I´m from Yugoslavia.
BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
@BadBlueBoyZG86 Where is Yugoslavia ?
halfnapil 3 months ago
@halfnapil
jugoslavia broke up 1991
just like the ussr
The follower states are:
Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.
BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
WE ARE ALL SLAVIC PEOPLE WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER NOT AGAINST EACH OTHER !!
BadBlueBoyZG86 3 months ago
@Zydocommy Hahahahaha!!! Your country is a piece of shit. Your country has the worst history of any nation on Earth. 9/10 people would chose living in the U.S.A. over Russia. I know some Russians that now live in America. They said Russia is a terrible place to live. People live in ugly buildings...have no land. They have a 8 room home with 1 acre of land...something they would never have in Russia. Just face it, your country sucks...people live horrible.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@Zydocommy Yes, we did help....If it takes force to free people of communist/dictator regimes, the U.S. will indeed use military force. In 1989, the Berlin Wall came down...Eastern Europe finally became free of the evil Soviet (Russian) communist regime. In 1990, the U.S.S.R. collapsed. The West (U.S.A.) won the Cold War.....GET OVER IT!!! Russia has a terrible history....one of the worst of all nations of the world. Stop trying to defend it. Russia sucks...nobody wants to live in Russia.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago 4
@SubSlaveCD i agree with you , only i will correct you that Eastern Europe is still under the communist sons yoke and we are still slaves ...
Heer88 2 months ago
The Soviet Union starved 7 million innocent people to death...and, then Stalin murdered 20 million of his own people. What a bunch of sick, sadistic people. I am so thankful that I was born and raised in the United States of America...the greatest country on Earth...The U.S.A., where everybody wants to live.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
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SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@Zydocommy You are so wrong. The U.S.A. was in Korea to help the South Koreans from the evil North Korea. The U.S.A.. was in Vietnam to help the South from the evil communists. The U.S.A. basically goes into other countries to help them from evil communist regimes. The U.S.A. DOES NOT set up concentration camps and murder people because of their nationality or religion. YOURS DID! The U.S.A. helps nations and saves them from evil communist regimes and dictators. Ignorant commie! Hahahahaha!
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@SubSlaveCD I might add that N.korea INVADED S.korea, a sovreign nation. Archives now reveal Stalin was up to his neck in this endeavor, and Mao and Stalin discussed the realities of a post nuclear war world. They figured the 2 of them were more potent than the US and UK, and that this post-war world would be rebuilt on socialism. I've found America-haters are cultish and superstitious when viewing history; true regressive revisionists, in denial of tyrants they love.
chickenwretch 3 months ago
Tot hose who still believe nazis were worse than communists
17MrLeon 3 months ago
@Zydocommy Hahahaha! You are so amusing! Since you are from Russia, you must be ashamed of the history of your country. I certainly would be. Your country, Russia, has a terrible history. Russia murdered 20+ million innocent people. Your country starved millions of people to death. Your country, Russia, killed over 20 million people...sending them to Gulags to be killed. Your country was communist from 1917-1990 and oppressed its people. The U.S.A. NEVER did any such things.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
I think these people that respond about the U.S.A. must be Germans or Russians and very ashamed of what their countries did to innocent people...I WOULD BE ASHAMED AS WELL!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!! Germany and Russia have murdered more innocent people than any other nation on Earth. As for Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, muslim terrorists attacked the U.S.A., and the U.S.A. responded. These idiots should know not to mess with a superpower like America.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@MsEmnic Also, MsEmnic, the U.S.A. NEVER starved millions of people to death. The U.S.A. has spent billions of dollars helping other nations of the world. The U.S.A. never invaded other countries and built extermination/concentration camps and exterminated millions of people. The U.S.A. is a huge great superpower built on immigration, and we have all peoples of the world in one. The U.S.A. DOES NOT never did and never will exterminate people because of their religion or race. You're stupid.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@SubSlaveCD im sorry, but didnt US start with genocide? More or less? Stalin took the grain, US military had the buffalo killed, for a reason. And US invade? Youtube "us intervention" "cia guetemala" etc. etc. etc. etc. Hell, what about Iraq, for that matter? Weapons of mass destruction? What about Hawaii, for christ sake? See what US did to the queen of that country, wiki Queen Liliuokalani. Threw her ass in jail, "sign, or else". Dont go to your grave being a blind man.
shotbyjesse70 1 month ago
@MsEmnic Hahahaha! You are so amusing. The U.S.A. never did such things. The U.S.A. liberated Europe form the evil German Nazi's. Also, the U.S.A. has helped more countries in the world than any other country and has spent billions of dollars to help other countries. I think you Germans and Russians are just ashamed of your countries because your countries have murdered MILLIONS of innocent people. The U.S.A. never did such things. The U.S.A. certainly never starved millions of people.
SubSlaveCD 3 months ago
@MsEmnic Um actually, Opel was a subsidiary of General Motors, which was founded by William C. Durant. You didn't address any issue, you just said that Germany had trucks. Germany produced the trucks in Germany. The design was sold to them in the late 1920's and then produced in the 1930's, a few years before Nazi Germany even rose to power.
brutalback 4 months ago
BULLSHIT
2323Nicko 4 months ago
Do you notice the Sept 11 date?
valmorgan 4 months ago
Why do we here this on Youtube so many years later? Should this not be on television?
asas2jh 4 months ago 12
Russia and Germany.=sick, sadistic and EVIL! PURE EVIL!!!!
SubSlaveCD 4 months ago
Some truth about "Holodomor" propaganda:
watch?v=miHw4egKbZA
DrMundo74 4 months ago
They even took photographs of the people that were dying (starving)....HOW SICK! HOW SAD!!! VERY SADISTIC!!!
SubSlaveCD 4 months ago
Let us never forget...let us never let the Socialist/Communist gain power here in the USA...may we learn from history.
FORMETOKNOWONLY 5 months ago
the BOLCHEVICKS WERE JEWS,STALIN WAS SURROUNDED BY JEWS...................PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP..
krew666666 5 months ago
This makes me unbelievably sad. It seems unimaginable that people can be this evil, but it happens every day.
MegaMuffin4568 5 months ago
Soviet Union and Germany...such pathetic, sick societies. These two countries have the worst history of any nation on Earth. They had 2 sick and sadistic leaders...Hitler and Stalin...both evil men.
SubSlaveCD 5 months ago
@SubSlaveCD you know nothing about german societies. why you are talking about that? did you know that american bankers gave money to the soviets?
btw. the most sickest society today is the american.
Kettenhund1000 4 months ago
@Kettenhund1000 The U.S.A. is not a sick society. It's a civilized society. Why can't you just admit that Germany and Russia have the worst, barbaric history of any nation. In fact, Russia even murdered more of its own people than Germany did.
SubSlaveCD 4 months ago
@SubSlaveCD germany ...have the worst barbaric history of any nation? OMG, you are an american dumbhead just knowing how to eat hamburgers. first, go back to school and learn more about european and especially about german history. but dont learn just about 12 years of germanys history. germany exists much longer. after this come back and we can talk again. so hurry up.
btw. how barbaric is it to kill children in iraq and afghanistan?
Kettenhund1000 4 months ago