裏切られた台湾-Formosa Betrayed-被出賣的台灣

[fisher1277]

大爛片= =還好國際上知道的人不多不然真是嚴重降底了台灣人的電影品味和­水準

[calyang1967]

這部電影是中共偉大的 ‘維穩經費’ 所賜。。 ＾＾

[Pokmtisk]

這影片我去年看過了  就只是講述 國民黨政府遷台 發生228血腥鎮壓事件 高雄屠殺事件 暗殺台灣知識份子的事情 台灣人會恨大陸人這也是其中之一(因為當時的國民黨都是大陸來的­外省人) .....只是某些大陸人就很可笑，先不管影片是講述什麼，看到­標題有"台灣"兩個字，就說這是台獨片，我笑了

[TheRiseofyou]

那里有下载? 我真希望共匪这次可以灭了台毒

[qbp111]

我只希望兩國國民可以和平與共，如果歷史演變至此，為何不選擇一­個讓兩國人民可以安穩和平的方式？

[wanglin1943]

台独万岁！

[jamesccccc01]

台灣現在支持獨立的人越來越多了~我記得小時候並沒有那麼多人支­持獨立,真心希望台灣有一天能真正完全獨立,不要再綁在中華民國­的框架上

[warnersheen]

我也是大陸人，我的看法是，我能夠理解台灣人那種強烈的獨立願望­，年少的時候我對此的態度是不解和憤慨，但是現在可以理解了。換­成任何一個大陸人，處在這樣一個歷史背景下成長，然後面對現在這­樣的兩岸現狀，內心都不會認可台灣屬於PRC。我是中國人我不可­能支持台獨，但我現在只能對這個無奈的事實保持理解。我不喜歡政­治家，也不想別人綁架我的思想，我想台灣朋友也是，這個世界上有­種東西超出『中華一統』和『台灣獨立』之外，那就是人性的愛。我­反感動輒就想對台動武的大陸人，也痛恨那些叫大陸人是『支那狗』­的台灣人，任何的所謂『大義』都不該凌駕在『人性愛』之上。

[h1u0a1n4g]

@warnersheen 支持!

[WEIHANSHIH]

@warnersheen 支持！

[freebird2049]

@warnersheen 謝謝你的理解和體諒

其實真正重要的並不是台獨與否

而是台獨背後真正的意義

是人們希望有追求自我價值的認同

以及思考 "我是什麼人?" 的慾望

只要是人類，多少都會有這樣的希望和想法，這是非常健康和正常的­行為

這無關乎是不是台灣人

只是體現在台灣這塊小島上時，它變成了一個"台灣獨立" 的明確目標



[CWTW]

@warnersheen

香港的朋友在這支持一下你的精神！！

[Civsuccess2]

這電影的資金流動: 有錢台灣財團 --> 賄賂陳水扁 --> 富爾摩沙基金會 --> 海外台獨團體 --> 刁毓能 --> James Van Der Beek

James Van Der Beek 現在正在用髒錢，其中一個受害者就是紅雀隊

[pa28823]

@Civsuccess2

你在說土星話嗎?

我以為你在說 貓覽 詐胡線 新生高架 18標 三中案

拉法葉案 尹清風案..........

[warnersheen]

台灣今天已經民主化，再炒作這些東西，宣揚這種仇恨已經沒多少意­義了...一個大陸人好心對你們說下

[h1u0a1n4g]

@warnersheen 這不是炒不炒作的問題好不好...只是讓其他國家的人認識一下我­們的歷史, 增加一點知名度罷了... 就像美國拍有關印地安人的歷史一樣, 讓他們印地安人的歷史流傳到國外

[warnersheen]

@h1u0a1n4g 這就是東方民族和西方民族的區別。。。你看這裡已經有人在回复“­FUCK 支那”了，好多事情發展成怎樣，真的不是導演能控制的。美國人英­國人可以拍『勇敢的心』，但是中國人拍一部反映滿清屠殺漢人的影­片會如何？——立刻激起民族仇恨。這就是東方民族的民族性，所以­這部影片裡說到『中國人說我們是兄弟，他們就是這麼對待兄弟的嗎­？』這樣的台詞，我就知道一定會在放映後引起台灣本土人的仇恨，­起碼會被政客大肆利用。

[WEIHANSHIH]

這部片若在台灣上映

頂多也直有民進黨和台獨份子會包場吧！

~~~~~

[macod77]

@WEIHANSHIH [民進黨和台獨份子]為了自己荷包,除非是免費才會進戲院小睡片­刻

[Samurai1568]

我已經看過這部電影了，還有George Kerr寫的那本Formosa Betrayed原文的書。假如有人對這部電影有不滿的地方，我­覺得唯一值得不滿的就是拍的太客氣了。有很多地方其實都被粉刷過­，處理過，讓普羅大眾比較好接受可是事實是台灣人在蔣政權下所遭­受的迫害不只這些而已。蔣政權在台灣的蠻橫與迫害其實也不是一部­電影就能交代的了的，有興趣的人應該多去蒐集相關書籍與資料。

[changchangchanger]

@Civsuccess2

hoho, this is not call brainwash...wat the kmt did was brainwash

"false history events"? u should go to school

[jooloog]

这个电影和红色角落一个级别，没什么可说的

[changchangchanger]

@sd1984821

"all of taiwanese"

r u referring to chinese infiltered by the kmt? those r chinese not taiwanese

[calyang1967]

In the movie, these people were killed are correct, but by their own's in order to make KMD look bad, it was all for a political reason. It is a typical plot that communists would create for their win.

[xiangyu1986]

怎么还有六四的片段呢？

[ws7646]

怎麼會有"雙瞳"的片段

[dmid123s5]

Go Taiwan~ Freedom and Democracy.

[armynavy911]

To those who can't understand or be compassionate, they will never know why we keep seeking the independence. To those who don't want the independence but conserve the current condition, the biggest panic is the possibility of war and the economic decline. However, where's the panic comes from? The dictator China. They don't want and avoid to solve this issue with a democracy way, because of the fear of our decision of autonomy. Taiwanese have right and decide our own future, cuz we r special.

[keira1740]

在台灣的中華民國國民不應該只能有"國民黨"或者"民進黨"這兩­項選擇,我們能擁有更多!

[c63621]

@keira1740 完整的民主不应该有两线制，相反的应该有3党鼎立，分化掉任何勾­结的可能...参考英国的民主制吧，加上严谨的监督和不间断的审­核...

[keira1740]

@c63621 應該是長期下來的結果...才出現國民黨&民進黨。 英國的民主制度固然是最悠久的!但是同樣地,也出現較大的政黨(­保守黨&工黨)。這似乎是每個民主制度都會出現的情形...除非­我們能創造出新的截然不同的民主制度!

[fisher1277]

Taiwan independence supporters is Taiwan independence supporters.

these people are just part of Taiwanese, but they can't stand for all of the Taiwanese.

[linathequeen]

wow... a bunch of racists here. if u don't wanna see the movie, just don't see it. don't even bother chinese people.

[taiwanian9999]

怎麼支那人到處狂吠 ???

支那人是爺們的話就去打日本 ~

不要仗著人多勢眾就欺壓台灣人 ~

想要打日本的話 ~

我跟你打賭一賠萬 ~

日本在七天之內一定能夠把北京打下來 ~ ^___^

[taiwanian9999]

@taotao2816 支那奴才奴性強，對上言必稱「主子」，對下言必稱「爺」，你們支­那人這個像畜生，北大學歷證書花兩百元人民幣就可以買了，所以你­這個狗奴才覺得讀北大沒前途，只好跑去日本對日本人哈腰敬禮說「­老師好」，這種事你還敢拿來說嘴，真他媽的不要臉，中國廢奴都像­你這副德性，難怪日本人把你們中國人踩在腳地下唾棄。從來就只有­中國人去日本求學的道哩，沒有日本人去中國求學的道理，哪一個國­家強，用膝蓋想就知道囉~ ^___^

[peter90957]

@taotao2816 你真的很不要臉也!我想真正奴役性的才是你們大陸人，自己的國家­也被日本人統治，現在被中共統治，而且被統治的還很爽，真的有夠­不要臉!

聽你在亂講明明就是你們大陸人先來惹我們，還敢說你們沒惹我們，­是你們很愛打擊別人的評論，有什麼資格去批評我們台灣人阿!!!­!!!!!!!!

還有是你們這些大陸人自己被中共統治的敢怒不敢言，被中共出賣都­還很高興，傻傻替中共做事!我看根本就不敢跟你們的政府對抗，我­看真正可悲可憐的是你們被中共洗腦的中國人，忘了自己的祖國是誰­，還認賊做父

[taotao2816]

@peter90957 我的评论从来都不带一个脏字！我只是发表自己的观点，你自己去统­计你们对面的发的那些评论，我都不敢相信发评论的人母语也是中文­。我很反感你们的那些带有人生攻击的评论，但这不代表我赞成共产­党，我会用我的方式，尽我在每个阶段所拥有的能力去改变。



[peter90957]

@taotao2816 你不要在說自己有多好了!

你們自己也好不道那裡去!我只能說你們對我們很不友善

當然我們會對你們也很不友善OK!!!!根本就不想跟你打口水戰­~

[hiway1989]

@taotao2816

加油!!!希望你民主革命成功!!!

[xiangyu1986]

我很想看这部电影，可惜大陆的观众可能看不到，如果大陆民众对台­湾过去几十年的历史多了解一些的话，或许能像我一样对台湾人的独­立意识充满理解和同情，虽然我是大陆人，对台独虽不支持但也不反­对，而是　从历史的角度来看待这个问题。

[eduard1937]

接受過西方教育的中國人 果然通情達理!

[armynavy911]

@xiangyu1986 Thanks for your compassion to our people of Taiwan. You really impress me and let me know that not all the Chinese people are the same.

[linyarrou]

@xiangyu1986 你超讚的~~

[emfortlikeemskut]

@xiangyu1986 你可以去伊利論壇下載

[jasonlee12345678]

@xiangyu1986 你別打這主意了, 這根本與事實不符, 我看握過真正的爛戲!

[Celesta1007]

@xiangyu1986

Thanks for your understanding and I really appreciated our democratic achievements today, although it is not good enough. Best wishes to yours.

[micocatcc]

@xiangyu1986

您很理性~在被共產黨資訊封閉下能有這麼見解~我深感配服~

中國在海外有很多正派的民主人士~

以前都曾在高位~後來都離開中國~如 阮銘.袁紅冰...

或許您可以瞭解他們對中國現況的分析~很精僻~



[cd5953656]

@xiangyu1986 謝謝你能了解我們，我們...只是想擁有一個家。

[tzuchiang54]

@xiangyu1986 我是台灣人~我認同你的說法與想法,更進一步說:我認為不是那裡­人和那裡人的問題,而是統治者與被統治者的問題...無論台灣人­或中國人,主政者皆操控著對歷史的詮釋與解讀!!但卻深深違背著­歷史的精神......

[guis1010]

@xiangyu1986

終於看到理性的對岸網友，好感動...QAO

[pa28823]

@xiangyu1986

有 土豆網 之前我有看過

但不知有沒有被砍掉  你可以查查看

[999IoI555]

Mothercuka

You are annying!!!!

how many times do you comment faggot

[999IoI555]

Fuck you CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIInk

[fighting1202]

@999IoI555

ya! FUCK  U CHINK 支那

[999101555]

Fuck you Chink motherfuckerrrrr

[9991o1555]

Flee Tibet and Taiwan and Uyghur

and go to hell CHINKKKKKKKK

[kinkonwu]

2007年韓星李準基主演的「華麗的假期」，故事講述韓國的蔣介­石─獨裁者全斗煥屠殺韓國人的518光州事件，台灣沒任何片商敢­代理，因為電影院和片商向來都是國民黨控制的。 這次這部電影更不可能在台上演

[pchomemsn]

0:21 ...... OMG

[formosa317]

用國民黨在街頭槍殺人的鏡頭為什麼是亂用!?  這預告片只是用歷史鏡頭來證明國民黨的凶殘, 不對嗎?

[cskgy1]

國民黨 你綁不了台灣人的!!

[z100199]

很扯,片中有個歷史紀錄片的鏡頭,就是一個軍人在街頭槍殺百姓,­這鏡頭曾被三立電視台拿來冒用維說成是國民黨槍殺百姓,結果查證­後,這鏡頭是當年國民黨在上海街頭槍殺共產的的影片,怎麼美國人­也拿來亂用?

[indarlist]

快怒了，到底什麼時候上映啊！

[ILUDANA]

美國是2/26上映，台灣我想上映希望不大...

明明是好萊屋首次在探討台灣歷史、能在全球上映的電影，這麼重要­的事情在以往的話，早被台灣媒體大肆宣揚說提升台灣知名度了。

可是這些個月，甚至這個月月底美國都要上映了，台灣媒體卻連個影­子都沒報...

[greendoritos]

因為 2010 2.27 有立委補選,多少會影響選情!!

[ILUDANA]

所以接下來還可能影響到年底的五都選舉，

得證是無限期延期了。

若真的這樣實在太可惜了。

[segitary]

這是民進垃圾黨拍的片子嗎 ?

希望死國民黨也拍一部骯髒扁假中彈

騙選票的電影

這樣子狗咬狗 , 妖鬥妖

藍迷綠迷的死老百姓們才有好戲看

[supermonkeylee]

國民黨已經拍過了 南京大屠殺是假的

其實依中國人的投機本性

出來歡迎日軍的人是很多的

所以並沒有所謂的屠殺

南京大屠殺的照片其實來自於國共戰爭

不信你去問問台灣軍第19連隊的老戰士

當初打下南京時是怎麼樣的情景

[supermonkeylee]

當初南京城 一片和樂融融 軍愛民民敬軍 軍民一條心 日軍4千台灣軍1千 國民黨軍2萬5 結果投降 皇軍抓到2萬5的降兵軍糧在3天之內就會被吃光 所以與其餓死他們就在楊子江邊請他們吃子彈 結果被扭曲成大屠殺

[tcy888888]

in china(支那) opinions, everything is fault but china's.very disgusting!

[JapanDefender]

Support Taiwan Independence!

[clavie05]

Support Truman bomb on the Jap head !

[joyouslife4all]

Taiwan is NOT china!

leave Taiwan alone china!

Taiwan is NOT the place for chinese!

Viva Taiwan! say NO to china!!!!

[hokila678]

WELCOME TO REPUBLIC OF TAIWAN

[twnesepride]

i don't even this this movie is the true history of taiwan!! this trailer makes us seem so bad... and why is this a Taiwanese film that has so many asians who are NOT taiwanese in it?! I must watch this movie cuz i'm a patriotic taiwanese... but will this make taiwan look bad or good... it is hard to tell. want to tell me?!

[Genkiss]

為什麼你的英文文法怪怪的？

[TheHsiaeiulong]

Charlie thanks so much for the references.

I already read some of them but I'll get the others a soon as possible.

[kwailok70]

Formosa(Taiwan) is a place for those who escape China for better life, a place where Chinese is no longer Chinese and become Taiwanese. It is because of the force of nature(geography) . The island itself is not China and thus makes the inhabitants non-Chinese over time.

[eagleni]

Mars 33213, You probably don't remember more than just that. Glad you say you're Taiwanese, but are you also Chinese?

[Kaguyasama]

想看...

[moneymonkey7777]

終於有人把國民黨的惡行拍成電影公諸於天下.

[jangjyhchen]

Each generation in Formosa is suffering with the identity issue in pass few hundred years. Many sad stories and terrible things have been happening to Formosa people because the foreigner military or political leaders treat Taiwanese as second-class citizens. It's good to see them facing the issue . Maybe, in the near future, the next generation will have their own national flag and song.

[sych8ng]

very good comment

[joingo]

Of course! Taiwan definitely is not the fxxxing China.

[alsoty]

Taiwan is Not China!!!

[A8900120]

跟一群從小被教育仇視日本,台灣的中國人

交流是沒用的!

[mars33213]

我怎麼不記得學校老師教過我仇視日本啊?

I'm Taiwanese.

[jonghsiang]

還好同學你不認真聽課...lol

[stevekk47]

日本人屠殺台灣人也好不到哪去!

[charliekung]

日本統治台灣五十年所殺的人,還比中國國民黨屠殺的台灣人要少,­ 你知道嗎？可悲的國民黨黨國洗腦教育下的奴才

[stevekk47]

原來原住民不是台灣人阿?

所以被殺活該就對了?

[stevekk47]

好啦~~只有你們這些從中國來的才有資格叫台灣人

其他原住民都是假台灣人

所以死了也不甘你們外來人的事

[armada1779]

charliekung:

What is your logic? Japanese are better people because they killed less Taiwanese than the KMT did?

[charliekung]

Yes Armada, if you read enough books then u will know what i mean, for reference please check out

1.) Death by Government: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900 by R.J. Rumme (ISBN-10: 1560009276)

2.) Formosa Betrayed by George H. Kerr (ISBN-10: 0306707624)

[charliekung]

3.) Generalissimo: Chiang Kai-shek and the China He Lost (ISBN-10: 0743231457)

4.) Japanese Colonialism in Taiwan: Land Tenure,Development and Dependency, 1895-1945 by Chih-ming Ka (ISBN-10: 0813336376)

5.) Taiwan Under Japanese Colonial Rule, 1895-1945: History, Culture, Memory (Studies of the Weatherhead East Asian Institute, Columbia University) by Ph Liao (ISBN-10: 0231137982)

[charliekung]

Furthermore, if you have the chance please try to interview some elders in Taiwan who has experienced both Japanese colonization and KMT dictatorship, asking for their opinions or you can read

1.) 締造台灣的日本人 by 黃文雄 ISBN：9789578016231

2.) 日本統治下的台灣 by 許世楷 ISBN：9867375548

3.) 宮前町九十番地 by 張超英 ISBN：9571345318

(strongly recommend)

[TheHsiaeiulong]

Is there any English translation for these one?

[Twcop]

八田與一and 濱野彌四郎 濱野彌四郎はまの やしろう（1869年-1932年），日本千葉縣人，曾任台灣總­督府土木部技師，譽為「台灣水道之父」。

[Twcop]

畢業於東京帝國大學工學部土木學科，曾師事擔任帝大衛生工學講師­的巴爾頓。明治29年（1896年）巴爾頓受民政長官後藤新平邀­請，來台灣擔任衛生工事顧問，濱野也以助手身分同行，來台擔任土­木部技師。

[Twcop]

明治32年（1899年）巴爾頓在完成基隆水道設計案後因病返回­東京，濱野則留在台灣繼續上、下水道的建設，期間長達23年，陸­續完成基隆、台北、台中、台南等台灣主要都市的水道計劃、建設，­大正8年（1919年）離台至神戶擔任技師長。著名的技師八田與­一曾是其部屬。

[Twcop]

一百多年前的台灣 地處蠻荒 未開化 衛生條件極差 台湾先民在惡劣環境下健康備受威脅 一生勞苦 更是無健康長壽可言 壽命往往在短暫的三-四十歲就結束

[charliekung]

By the way, my logic is simple, prove me wrong if you could (with reference), coz you are the one who challenges me. Looking forward to your masterpiece.

And finally, just to let you know, i won't waste my time replying if you just come up with some BS.

Thank you very much

Regards

C.K.

[A8900120]

Looking forward to it. But I doubt that BITCH MA and His Stupid supporters would not have guts to face this kind shameful history.

[charliekung]

一竿子打翻一條船, 見縫插針, 標準卑劣中國人手段

可悲阿～～～～～～～

[armada1779]

A8900120:

Do I understand you right? You doubt Ma would NOT have guts to face history. So you think Ma has guts to face history. When you use two negative words, it becomes positive meaning. The sad thing about Taiwan is people don't have many choices when it comes to politicians. Between two bad apples, people can only choose the less rotten one.

[changchangchanger]

@A8900120

u mean ma wouldn't have the guts to watch this vid. he doesn't fucking care cuz he's not even taiwanese...i can't believe taiwanese r retarded enough to vote for someone that's chinese as their pres

i tried to watch this movie in taiwan, but it was restricted...only play it once a week n no ad watsoever ( not even posters at te theaters) conclusion: kmt's r chickens and taiwanese r still under their complete control

[Gytu]

Sweet

[FrapMocha]

LOL, who the fuck still talk about Abian anywayz? If this is all u can do, using A bian to mock us, well think again. The topic is a little anachronistic.

[FrapMocha]

ummm, my whole family is deep green, but none of them defend A Bian at all...so I dont get wtf are you saying here...if you think we greens would defend a corrupted prez for life, you have underestimated us, waishenren.

[panda12055]

If so, good for you and good for Taiwan!

[changchangchanger]

@FrapMocha

all the kmters always talk about abian wen they can't support themself...y don't yhey talk about all the kmters that were corrupted like 郝long bing's dad? but it's just too bad that those kmters never get caught cuz ppl who support kmt always have more advantages...n never gets send to jail n also gets backup from gangsters to get rid of ppl they don't like

i believe that the money abian "took", ma also has but b/c he's a kmt...he's fine

[FrapMocha]

@changchangchanger I am sure everyone know about this, the problem is how are we, as the freedom fighters can do to stop kmt from further corruption.

[changchangchanger]

@FrapMocha

that won't happen taiwan is screwed over, that's y a lot of ppl immigrate to othet places...cuz the facts r, a lot of young taiwanese don't care n they don't know y there's the kmt n dpp cuz they get brainwash @ skool. sooner or l8er taiwan would be swallowd up by china

[changchangchanger]

@FrapMocha

also i know a lot of kmts who has duo passport n goes to taiwan to vote for ma n goes back to america/wherever they came from and watch taiwanese gets screwed over b/c they'r chinese asskissers n mostly b/c they get $ from te gov. even if they don't live there...sorry i talk a lot but this stuff gets me all worked up

[changchangchanger]

@panda12055

u kmt only talk about a bian when in fact kmters r the ones that r the most corrupted, like the guy doing the flower expo...but y is he fine n nothing happens to him, cuz he supports kmt...whereas they didn't have enough evidence against Abian n they changed up the judge until he was accused guilty n sent to jail

when u look at everything as a whole u'll notice more

n if u even watched the movie, the one that betrayed was the US that they'r kinda emphasizing

[silverglass101]

@changchangchanger I very much agree with you...but I don't understand why taiwanese people would want to discard a bian so easily since he was accused ....sure what he did was wrong, but on the contrary, ever since abian came into president, Taiwan seemed to be improving economically faster and the world seemed to be taking more notice in Taiwan, why can't taiwanese notice that? Though his method may be wrong, that doesn't mean you should change your perspective to kmt for this reason.

[changchangchanger]

@silverglass101

yea during abian's time everything was really fair and taiwanese had the most freedom. u gotta admit that the news r very bias....they don't tell the whole truth. now ma's just gonna deplete taiwan's economic, put some money in his pocket, n escape to america when taiwan's screwed...remember he has duo passpor. i find it ironic how abian's newphew was not allowed 2 b born in america, when all of ma's relatives have duo passport.

[changchangchanger]

@silverglass101

wat's even funnier is how the kmters want taiwan to be swallowed up my china when they'll b the 1st victim to go cuz communist hate kmt...thry stole from them like they did 2 taiwan

btw did u watch the movie...leaves ur jaw open all the way through

my grandpa told us that he was also taken away, cuz this chinese guy made a lie and told on him, b/c my gramps refused to help that guy...luckily he never got the chance to join the japanese army before they left, so he was freed

[Powderon5]

What A Powerful~ , A 5 STAR TRAILER~

Be strong, TAIWAN!! Get Independence! Get in to UN!! TAIWAN is FORMOSA!

TAIWAN is not a land of China!!

[wu06wu06]

when will this movie be released?

[pookie2323]

Can't wait to see this movie!!!!

[TaiwaneseAmerican]

Tell the world about the corrupt Chinese KMT.