3:50 another reason for this would be that showing such a complete lack of effort on behalf of our government to actually do something about terrorists instead of just using them as an excuse to take our freedom would be completley against the agenda of corporate media
But of ALL the falsehoods here, the vile trash that they are "anti-Christian" is the worst. First, it's not the JOB of the media to be "pro-Christian". Secondly, as a devout Christian myself, I will remind you that MANY Christians are pro-choice, as all SHOULD be, that Dr. Tiller was a committed Christian who was shot dead in his church. You seem to think that because they didn't exploit a local story to stir up more hate and fear of Muslims for no good reason, they're "anti-Christian".
What a load of BUNK!!! These stories aren't REMOTELY connected, there is no "liberal bias" in the news. A physician is murdered in cold blood by an anti-choice radical is national news, the other was NOT national news.
NOBODY is "pro-abortion", and the news media is insanely balanced on the issue, to the point of putting "balance" ahead of telling the truth out of fear of nuts like you. They are not "anti-gun" by reporting that Tiller was murdered, as thousands are, with a gun.
@donnajeanh There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor". He was a doctor, and a true hero. It's absolutely vile that you'd celebrate his murder, and that you question his being a doctor, he was an outstanding doctor who saved lives and served women whom others didn't have the courage to help.
If the woman gives birth and still "doesn't want" the baby (or rather, wants it to have a better home) there are many people who DO want that baby, even if it has a disability!
And as to all this "a few cells" crap, that is the most overdone, tired, and WRONG description I've ever heard. Ever tried looking at an early sonogram? The uh, "cells" are moving around in there-
The Media is biased...anyone who doesn't think so has brain cells set to idle. I think the 'Opinion Page' is a misnomer...nearly all articles have some form of opinion...like if they use the term 'pro file' with quotes...or 'Extremest' . They only use that word for anyone that disagrees...
....the pill, etc. But accidents happen. No contraceptive is %100. Do you know what it was like for women before abortion was legal? Coat hangers in back allies? Do we really want to go back to that? Do we really want to force women to give birth to babies they don't want? Do you really consider removing a few cells in the first week of pregnancy - murder? Is one cell at conception the same as a child?
the reason why the Tiller story is more shocking is; a doctor attending church, in no way expected to be shot at let alone murdered. whereas a soldier on duty, knows that there is a chance we their life may be at risk. Just as a mother being shot which shopping would be more shocking then a police officer being shot on duty. It's not that one is anymore tragic then the other, but one is defiantly more surprising then the other.
regardless, it's still more shocking to hear of a doctor gunned down in a church by a 'pro-life' activist, then an on duty soldier gunned down by a jihadist. The soldier may not have been in a war zone, but he was on duty as a guard. My sympathy goes out to both, but one is still more shocking and unexpected then the other.
no. I did say he was more important. And no he didn't "brutally murder thousands of late term infants". In fact the term 'late term infants' makes no sense, you mean late term pregnancies. Besides, late term abortions are only done if they are medically necessary to protect the life or health of the mother. It is not murder. Would you let the mother and the child die when you could save the mother by aborting the fetus?
Well in those cases yes. I think abortion is only justified to protect the mom from severe permanent heath effects or death but still most abortion are done because of convenience.
quite literally all late term abortions are done for these reasons. However, doctor/patient confidentiality prohibits the information from being released. 'Pro-Lifers' tend to just take any abortion and call it murder with out understanding the situation surrounding it. NO late term abortions are ever done for convenience sake. In fact abortions are not convenient at all, they are not pleasant for the woman and I find it hard to believe that any woman would prefer abortion to condoms ...
I can't say I know all the details. But it makes sense to me, that if a women bothers to go through 8-9 months of pregnancy, she's probably not 'trigger happy' for an abortion.
My main point being that saying things like 'abortion is the brutal murder of babies' is not only over simplifies an extremely complex issue, it is factually incorrect and can give justification to mentally unstable individuals to use violence against those who may be 'pro-choice'. Don't reduce the issue to a slogan.
What about rape and incest victims? Or babies who will be born with severe defects or disorders that will make their lives short and excruciatingly painful, and their parents and siblings will suffer emotionally for the rest of their lives, not to mention financially? So many children go un-adopted already, because they aren't pretty clean healthy white babies? Look at the amount of abuse in foster homes. Isn't the quality of a child's life important, too?
Well yea if they were raped they shouldn't be forced to keep the baby and I don't know about disorders. But if she willingly had sex and was going to have a good baby then it would be stupid to abort.
Stupid, maybe. But pregnancy is a taxing thing, financially and physically and emotionally. If a woman is not ready for a family, or has a family that she is comfortable and happy with, and she used condoms and other methods of birth control (which don't always work) then how can the government step in and tell her that she has to serve as nothing more than an incubator for nine months?
@MorsmordreMaiden To even suggest that a woman should abort, because there are, in YOUR opinion, abuses going on in foster homes, shows how ignorant and moronic you and your logic are.
@MorsmordreMaiden All your arguments are weak. Yeah what about all that stuff? George Tiller was a later term abortionist. If your going to the doctor for check ups there really is no reason for a later term abortion. Obviously there are certain things that could warrant an abortion but Tiller the baby killer went above and beyond that. Just because a female is irresponsible doesn't mean she should be able to abort whenever she wants. Give the baby up for adoption.
usag....don't talk about others taking responsibility for their actions when you've failed to acknowledge the failures of the past 8 years. A trillion spent on Terror....result....Al Q and Bin Laden as strong as pre 9/11. The failure to account for billions spent in Iraq. The failure to make one significant gain in energy independance. The failure of your hands off approach to big business which led to abuses...which led to economical meltdowns. You have zero credibility.
Those abuses you talk about where failures and greed from greed people that can be at any political or economic sign, cars and guns kill when unresponsible people is on board, let´s ban cars and guns, and now that we are just on the subject..., Let´s ban capitalism too, comunism was even overruled by greed and unresponsible people and I didn´t saw it banned from the world yet.
granud....we have laws that pertain to driving...if you violate the law you're punished. There should be better laws to govern business/capitalism and when businesses violate them they should be punished. There should be laws for gun ownership..if you violate them you should be punished. I never said ban guns or capitalism...just have reasonable laws that are enforced. How many businesses were investigated for hiring illegals in the past 8 years? With around 12 million illegals is it that hard?
usag...what's wrong with saying it's too bad that someone killed themselves? A Christian shouldn't have to ask that question....they know the answer. You should also know that God hates liars like you.
usag...I'm aware of Bush phenominal accomplishments in the area of abortion. After decades of abortions you got a president who signed legislation effecting 1/2 of one percent of all abortions. That's the holy grail you pro-lifers was after wasn't it? Eight years of Bush...abortion still legal. I've always been against partial birth abortions except in cases of rape, incest or health of mother.
Createh....you have absolutely no idea that Tiller will end up in hell with Roeder. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty & Tiller was never proven guilty. You who call yourself pro-life have failed 45 million fetusses and will continue to with your methods that accomplish nothing. You had Bush for 8 years and NOTHING was done about the issue of abortion. He did something that effects 1/2 of 1% of all abortions...but not a damn thing else...where's the rage?
To drwalepen15: Abortion will continue to be a murder while condoms, pills, "the day after" pills, IUD (Intra Uterine Device), and spermicide lubricants, still exist.
Why killing them when you have counterconceptive methods?.
USAG...you're talking out of your ass again. I thought you were pro-life....why would you say it's too bad another person didn't kill themselves? Why do you create scenes in your mind that aren't reality?
creathav..... that Texas was considering seceeding wasn't of enough substance to make a rhetorical comment about it. Perry was speaking out of his ass. Hopefull he'll soon be gone and my State can benefit from a true leader.
"The only reason it exists biblically." Damn, you people are giving Christianity a bad name. No wonder there are so many atheists on youtube. As for your other comments, this is simply not going to happen. Also, Israel is not only made up of European Jews. It is made up of Jews from all over the world. Thousands of them fled from Arab nations which seized there holdings once Israel became a legally recognized state. And I see you're also a conspiracy buff. Oh well everyone needs a hobby.
Oh my! The news media is biased? No kidding, that's like waking up this mornig being shocked that the sky is blue on a clear day. That's why getting information from credible writers that do not force their opinions are the way to go. Who do you trust more? The person who gets their info from one biased source, or the guy who gets his info from 10 sources including the first guys? The person with the better info will know more about any subject.
Riiiiight. Sure, you go with that... you still obviously don't know what "paganism" is, and I'm sure you were in the back row watching these animal blessings. *rolls eyes*
You've demonstrated not only a lack of knowledge on the topic, but a severe religious bias and inability to control your hate. Its a *very* good thing our law is specific against the crimes people like you and Roeder commit. You'd promote anarchy and lawlessness while screaming everyone is "unAmerican." Done with you.
Kansas found him INNOCENT time and again. All you have to do is look up the cases to know this is a fact. Screaming otherwise does not change it.
All people are technically a mass of cells, living or unborn. That biologists say such a thing is not an insult. You've made it clear you do NOT understand actual biology, so I'd do a little more indepth research before pretending to know the experts are wrong.
The man who killed the army recruiters was not from the Middle East....he's an American! His name before converting to Islam was Carl Bledsoe. So maybe the evil liberal media doesn't want to "defame" anyone who is from America?
The Washington post said he was convicted in 1996 of criminal use of explosives and served 16 months. Then his conviction was overturned in 1998. And you can put the various heresies masquerading as Chrisitan churches in the "don't get me started" category. I have no doubt that Tiller's pastor loved the star-power Tiller brought to his congregation.
No disrespect, but if you knew the background of Roeder; arrested several times; among the reasons conceiled arms, bomb-making equipment (domestic terrorism). A member of anti-government militias. And finally, let's not forget he shot Tillman inside a CHURCH. He is far from someone we want to heroicize idealize or paint as a victim. If you ask me, had he been born 50 years earlier he could have bombed a black church in the south just as easily as he shot Tillman in our era.
I am both glad and relieved. God's will be done. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Do I advocate the killing of abortion doctors by violent means? no. But I will not be a hypocrite and shed any crocodile tears for their demise.
I love how you completely IGNORE every point brought to you. I'll let you ramble on more about your "blood relatives" and how clever they are now. Buh-bye!
You are right that abortion is big business. The abortion industry are like drug cartels; they know it's quick and easy cash since very few people want to get their hands dirty with it. And those who do will go to great lengths to make sure their business and clients continue.
Obviously you don't understand the concept of the word "retarded". So, rather than taking the time to explain how wrong and idiotic your post is, I'll just shake my head in pitty at you, remembering not everyone was born with a functioning mind, but that ironically, most can operate a computer.
"creathavok is my blood relative and his son is my blood. I now all about the boys world wide achievements recognized internationally and nationally. unlike evolution he based his conclusions on 3000 years of western REASON CALLED LOGIC AND COMPLEX MATH EQUATIONS"
Here's the comment you erased. I love how you admit a FAMILIAL BIAS, then go on to claim mathematics can 'negate' evolution, which is BIOLOGY. It doesn't work that way, and if you were scientifically minded you'd know that.
No man is innocent. You would advocate the murder of any living person. Children aren't even innocent. Many know exactly what they're doing when they misbehave, after all.
Also, women will simply find other sources to abort. The murder of this doctor saved nobody.
One nut taking the law into his hand because he couldn't actually WIN a court case is not "justice." Its a mockery of civil society, our law, and the justice provided by a safe system that ENSURES guilt.
God did nothing. A MAN murdered this doctor. Sheesh, you religious nuts always want to EXCUSE your own nutso behavior as "gods will." Nonsense, all of it. A man acted outside accordance of our LAW, for the simple reason that he couldn't win WITH the law.
And your Stalin reference is as relevant as whats-his-names Hitler reference. As in, not.
Btw, if someone doesn't ascribe to your god, WHY would they ascribe to your 'heaven'? Do catch up.
WIDOW Ms. Tiller has already been talking to other reproductive health persons interested in taking up Tillers legacy. I'd keep that celebration of a doctors murder in check if I were you.
I also love how you removed the comment talking about being a "blood relative" of C's son, and lauding praise, oh the glory of god, our 'son' is so gifted! More gifted than every other expert in the world, by your words.
Let me say this simply. Math is not biology. He's no basis for an evo opinion.
Actually, today's AP says TIller's abortion mill will be closed forever. More lies and propagand from you? Tsk Tsk! You're giving pro-abortionists a bad name. I mean, one would think you people like to further your own agenda here (as witnessed by you being caught in several lies already).
You're telling me I can not only predict the future, but I have the abilty to lie about it too? Are you kidding? How are comments from DAYS ago a lie about news from TODAY. I'll let you think about that one on your own.
If Tillers professional friend or family decided to close the clinic and announced such a thing today, good for them. Their business, their choice, obviously. Too bad this basically means you're celibrating successful terrorism. Great way for social change, that.
You said Tiller's widow was talking to other abortionists. Actually, this was never the case. She wanted it closed. So, either you were lying or spreading more pro-abortion propaganda. Either way, it doesn't look like anyone here should take anything you say seriously anymore. Do you get tired of being wrong? Or just hope that by spreading enough lies maybe one of them will turn out to be true? Was this something your pro-abortion friends taught you or is it a personality trait?
Tiller had a professional friend who contacted his widow about taking over the clinic. It was on a Maddow interview a couple days after the murder. That something changed his mind, or that the widow eventually decided to close it, does not mean I can magically lie about the FUTURE.
Sheesh, you guys just can't admit when you've gone too far. Now you claim I can see the future, and even knowing what would happen, I "lied" about it. What nonsense. Talk about not taking someone seriously.
Ahhh, now I see. I know philosophy grads too. Most all of them are intent on proving their own prefered god with that philosophy.
Do you not get that philosophy, math, and statistics in NO WAY prepares your son for BIOLOGICAL studies? It doesn't matter if he has a masters in creation science, it doesn't negate what is proven through BIOLOGIC study.
How about you give us this 'list' so we can look into the details ourselves. Or do you not want us to actually *see* it for its flaws?
And that would be *ringringring* entirely false. You're obviously not reading my comments, so one last time.
Without evolutionary science, we would have NO MODERN MEDICINE. None. All modern medicine is reliant on evolution science. So is the ENTIRE study of genetics.
You can deny, deny, deny. It seems to be the only thing you have.
If *you* and your wife believe in god, great! Go with that.
Thankfully, the US isn't a theocracy. You seem to have a big problem understanding that. It means freedom of AND FROM religion. In other words, thats fine for *you,* but to think you can try and enforce it on all Americans is pretty silly.
Kansas found him innocent of every allegation. Whatever you say, this is still true.
Funny. The state of Kansas said none of this was true. Funny how he was taken to court several times over anti-abortion activists claims, and found innocent every time. Just like you're speech here... except he's DEAD and can't defend himself. Good show.
Let me put this to you straight. Evolution is fact. You can wander off on your "my son is a top math guy" all you like, you obviously have a severe LACK of genetic, biological, and evolutionary education... and I'm really not surprised, being Texas.
You know "alot" more about squat, and you have no idea what I know. You're now trying to claim an EMOTIONAL pedistal over me because you have no real FACTS to back your opinion. My 3 years of biological anthropology beats your "top math guy."
"the top 700 scientests in the world signed off on creationism."
Nonsense, straight up. Every respectable expert you find supports evolution, and will tell you, be them religious or not, that creationism is not valid in any scientific sense. Only the "creation scientists," who aren't actually scientists at all, will tell you what you claim.
Evolution takes place in labs daily. Its called medical & genetic research.
Your son is a "top math guy," so he's a BIOLOGICAL expert...? *sigh*
You have your preferred, nitpicked version of "western tradition" behind you. And I didn't say Aristotle, I was speaking to *you* and your "divine law" claims.
Our Founding Fathers used MANY sources of inspiration to write our legal framework. However, they also specify the power government can and can't hold over the people, or the individual, and womens reproductive health (privacy and choice of) is consistantly supported by our legal system as the proper course within that vision.
Propo...who did the DMN endorse for presidency? What democrat have they ever endorsed for president? How many democrats did the the DMN endorse for Texas senate and governor races? Who did they endorse over a popular Ann Richards when novice Bush ran for gov? Who is a liberal columnist on the DMN? Is columnist Mark Davis not a sometimes replacement on the Rush Limbaugh show?
Ah, you're one of those. About the time you use your "natural moral law" to deny evolution, which is accepted by about 99% of the worlds experts, is backed up by mountains of evidence, and has ZERO negating evidence (evidence which would falsify it), then its clear you'll go on believing what you believe no matter what anyone tells you otherwise.
I'm sure your awards are pretty, but I've won national awards for best works of fiction. Does that mean reality revolves around my winnings? No.
A bunch of religiously inspired gibberish. There is no "divine law." You repeating your chosen phrase over and over again doesn't impact the reality. Secularism is secularism, not paganism. If you can't tell the difference between those things, then I'm really not going to be able to help you see reason here.
You've chosen to base what you think is true on your beliefs, not on what is rational or based on fact.
No, this country was founded on SECULAR law meant to protect the INDIVIDUAL. You can keep making things up, but I'm afraid what you're saying just doesn't translate.
Further, that would be YOUR god, not all Americans god, and we certainly aren't required to follow his demands as a country. As I said, we are not a theocracy. Unless you *want* to be like Syria, Turkey, or Iran, I suggest you rethink your "natural moral law" bit.
What propo isn't saying here is that the Dallas Morning News is a conservatively owned and operated newspaper and always has been. The DMN has been staunch backers of republican candidates including McCain in the past presidential race. He should check with them to ask the question why there was a difference in coverage instead of crying liberal.
Ah, there you are, PB! Were you going to answer my question about the DHS, and clarify your position of it after the murder of Dr. Tiller by a right-wing anti-abortion fanatic?
Perhaps I'll look into the papers style myself. Conflicting reports here, as you can see. ^_^
Deadlyc.....yeah I remember the Nov 22nd 1963 Dallas Morning News running a full page ad by The American Fact Finding Committee which described itself as "An unaffilliated and no-partisan group of citizens who wish truth". It contained the same kind of socialism, marxism and other remarks about JFK that are so popular today with neo-cons. Such a special welcome to the president that day. They were very tight with right wing circles...and still are.
Man, this kind of shit pisses me off. Its sad when Americans wont even admit that America is just fked up. Thank you for sheding a little light on what most people would not even bother to think twice about. FYI I am pro-choice and I believe I am rather conservative. It really bothers me to know that American media can get away with this kind of bullshit.
I think Creathavok meant to say the "Bible," but knew that wouldn't go over well, so made up his new term, "natural moral law." Sort of like how creationism became intelligent design. Funny how the name always gets changed when for the purpose of imposing their view on the US as a whole.
you forgot another thing in your unbiasedness - the fact that the first murder happened a day earlier, ie people have had a longer period of time to write about, (today it's 2.000+)
There is no "natural moral law." That would be you imposing your opinion into law form. Thankfully, the US is neither a theocracy or ruled by the mob majority. Your "natural moral law" is fine for you, but don't pretend its something you can or should impose on someone else.
Nobody contests that a newly formed life begins at conception. This isn't the point, and it doesn't address the need for safe, private reproductive care in a modern society.
i joked (badly) that it wasnt a murder, just a very late term abortion.
The abortionists murder was everywhere, yet the jihadist who killed and wounded soldiers didnt even get reported upon. The liberals are afraid of the TRUTH.
Didn't get reported on? Are you joking? It *was* all over the news. Perhaps not to the extent as the doctors murder, but to claim it wasn't covered at all is ridiculous.
In fact, some reporting has been done on the charges for each of these murderers. Will the Muslim wanna-be jihadist get terrorism charges? Possibly. Will the Christian anti-abortionist? We'll have to see.
I think if women are going to do abortions, atleast do it early. I don't like to hear about late abortions, cause that means these woman sat on it for a while and then decided they couldn't take care of the child or didn't want it.
While this is true, Tillers operation was taken through the courts by anti-abortion activist accusations several times, and determined by Kansas law, he was found to be operating legally every time. You'd have to read the state policy to understand how/why.
I'll ask again... as the DHS report, which you claimed was malicious against an innocent right wing (even though it also targeted left wing groups), specifically mentioned anti-abortion fanaticism, have you changed your mind that the report is incorrect since the murder of Dr. Tiller?
I'd repeat the rest of my comment, which was more to the comaprison of the soldiers death, but if you're just going to delete it I don't see the point.
Abortion, gay marriage, are social topics they dont get me stirred up either way but they do for a lot. Agree the deaths of the soilders should have been given more articles.
Another great video, sir. You do a fantastic job of exposing the liberal filth. Right on, brother. I wanted to ask, when will you be running for president? I would vote for you in a second.
Keep in mind, of course, that perhaps not ALL media / news sources are bias. Fox news has always been a fair and balanced source for media coverage.
Another great video, Buster. Everytime I watch your videos I realize im not alone in the way I think and in my beliefs (even though im not catholic). My prayers go out to the families of the soldiers. There are still people that back our soldiers 100%.
Tamar...Propo coundn't make it as a journalism professor....you have to want to find the truth. Propo only finds information which supports his ideology. He'd make a great Fox News pundit however.
Actually, his comments about how subtly bias can be inserted into an article (when he talks about the difference in coverage between the Tiller v. Long murders) is something everyone should keep in mind when reading/writing/commenting on the issues of our day.
I am a J-school grad and I can tell you most of them don't want to the "the truth" they want to "change the world". There's a difference.
Tamar...you don't read propo much then. I do give propo credit for his comments on bias.....unfortunately he is a heavy user of bias himself.
I understand your point about some wanting to change the world and agree. I'm surprised though about your comment about him being a professor though. If you were one of those journalists that do seek the truth you trully missed on that comment.
Yeah. Unless the "brown" people happen to be white, like in Bosnia. And of course when the "brown people" kill each other too much and the US doesn't send soldiers, like in Rwanda, the US gets accused of not doing enough for "brown people". Not too smart are you.
You don't really look at a lot of unborn children, do you?
I can tell this is just more political leverage for you. Oh! And you had to inject race in there, didn't you? As if the soldiers were racist! Golly gee! you must be a clever boy, aren't you? Are you a clever boy?
As far as i have heard, Obama has released no official statment commenting on how tragic the death of the soldier was, but was quick to say how terrible it was that Tiller was killed... Shows where his priorities lie...
Actually Pres. Obama did release a statement today. I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Longs family as they mourn the loss of their son.
Which is quite insipid & milquetoast compared to his "shock and outrage" over the murder of the abortion doctor.
The murder of the soldiers was a lone event, while the murder of the doctor represents terrorism against all womens rights as to reproductive care. While this isn't an excuse, it may be a reason the doctors murder is more 'hyped' than the soldiers.
Somehow, I doubt either would be called irrelevant, and to call the offering of his sorrow to Longs family "insipid" is pretty judgemental.
The right to kill babies in the third trimester has nothing to do with women's health or their reproductive rights. It's murder and infanticide. Period. I'm sure Moloch is happy with us now. 50 million dead babies for women's "rights". Sick!
As for the murder of the soldiers, more info is coming out which would indicate that might not have been a "lone event" after all, while the murder of the abortion doctor was a lone event done by a lone man for his own brand of vigilante justice.
You can scream "kill" and "murder" as much as you want, that isn't the legal reality, and anti-abortion activists have failed to change that for a very long time. You cannot divorce womens rights from reproductive choice. What is "sick" is your opinion, and as I said, opinions are irrelevant.
If it comes out that the soldier killing was not a lone event, fine. We want the truth. But no, Tillers murderer was not a "lone" man. He was supported openly by at least 2 anti-abortion orgs.
Yes, opinions are irrelevant. But to pro-abortion supporters, unfortunately so is science. The scientific and physical fact that at 30 days a foetus has a functioning heart, a brain at human proportions and can at 5 weeks live viably outside the womb doesn't seem to deter those in favor of abortion. So, your opinions, purely and scientificallly illogical and baseless, are equally as sick to us.
There's no activity in the cerebral cortex. I don't think we should fuck up the lives of young women so you have another potential lickspittle cohort to donate more money to your ridiculous fucking church.
Talking fucking snakes is no less insane than 40 virgins in heaven.
Nobody is "pro-abortion." Maybe you're playing word games with the terms, but the reality is many people are pro-CHOICE. Bit of a difference. That we think its necessary doesn't mean we *like* abortion.
At 5 weeks...? Honestly? No. Just no. Every doctor will laugh you out of the room. Babies extracted a month early are lucky to live at all. I'd love to see the data saying babies can do just fine at 5 weeks.
Again, what you think is "sick" is up to you, and isn't relevant.
Yes, that was my key-slip. I meant to say 25 weeks, but didn't catch that. I'm glad you pro-abortion lot are such good spell-checkers. So, other than the missing digit, was anything else I said incorrect? Since my wife is a gynocologist, I'm fairly certain its accurate.
Such good spell-checkers? Am I suppose to be psychic and know what you meant through a type-only format? We only know what you SAY, not what you're thinking. We certainly don't know your wifes profession off the top of our heads. Honestly, thats just silly. Can't you just own up to YOU having made a little mistake, without being insulting to others? Or is that too much to ask?
Doctor Tillers clients included a 10 and an 11 year old, victims of incest. Tell me again about "reproductive choice."
You can't possibly know an individuals circumstances, and you can't line a rape victim up in front of a judge for a sexual inquiry before she can be allowed to make a medical decision.
Tillers murderer was a member of the "Army of God" and was in constant contact with "Operation Rescue" official who gave him Tillers personal home AND HIS CHURCHES address.
Also, to be blunt, science doesn't ascribe any "rights" to anything. Its the study of natural process, and the description is called natural law. Its YOU who ascribe innocence to human conception before birth. Do be upfront with it, its fine to think that in and of itself, but don't pass it off as something "science" told you.
I've no reason to lie. Funny that the news has been reporting his connections to these 2 groups for a couple days now, but you claim its a "bald face lie." Hmm.
We are saying that science backs up the humanhood of a foetus at very early stages. Meaning there is no mistake that you are killing a human being and not just a "clump of cells" as pro-abortionists like to say. And I can say I have a connection to the Black Panthers since I know several members. This does not mean I endorse what they do or they I. Regardless of how many times pro-lifers and pro-life organizations decry and denounce the murder it will never be enough for you pro-abortionists
Has anyone claimed science said otherwise? Not that I've seen. Of course they're early human stages of life.
"Killing" is your opinion, not the legal reality. Thats what you call an incendiary term, not a useful comment. And it is still technically a "clump of cells" in the 1st trimester, as the body isn't larger than a pea.
We obviously hear the orgs that *have* denounced the murder of Tiller. But this wasn't your claim, which was that they *all* had, which was very clearly false.
Once again, at 30 days (at the very begining of the first trimester) a foetus has a functining heart and a human proportion sized brain. This is NOT just a clump of cells and SCIENCE is telling you this, yet you are clearly either too irrational or obstinant to acknowledge it. And I did NOT say "all" orgs denounced the murder. You pro-abortionists are such liars. Anything to further your cause I guess. And "legal reality" is subjective, since 200 years ago a slave was property and not human.
Did I SAY "there isn't a heart." NO. You're taking the extreme of my comments, as you can't address them directly. Having a proportioned brain doesn't stop it from still being less than the size of a pea.
Again, science tells you nothing. You are ascribing your OPINION onto science. Science is a method of study, not an opinion.
Perhaps it wasn't you who said "all," but several others (with similar names to you, btw) HAVE.
I used the scientific heart FACT that a foetus has a functioning heart to successfully refute your error in sayng the foetus is a "clump of cells" in the first trimester. You are wrong and an idiot if you can't accept this. And I did NOT say "all"; there is no "perhaps" about it. You are a gutless moral coward for not saying, "I apologize, you actually didn't say that." Big surprise. You lie and distort to try to prove your point. And you are not worth my time.
Moron. The murder of a soldier not in combat represents MOHAMMEDAN TERRORISM. An abortion doctor just means more to you personally. You are so stupid and shallow at this point it is just plain funny.
Yeah...not too clever there. You should have said "you can't spell LIBERALS or LIBS with out "BS". That would have been smarter. You don'tt seem to get the concept of wordplay.
Two videos in a row hitting the nail in the coffin. You now have Divine Enlightenment. Good job PB. Use that brain of yours and you will soon see the whole picture.
The Republicans are WORSE than the Democrats..because the Democrats are being just what they are..But the republicans pretend they are not like the Democrats but they are..
They are both for globalization and the downfall of the USA..!
I do see the media's point. Another abortion doctor is murdered. That was over due. GM bankrupt. ? Even with the headlines that's hard to swallow. Lone disgruntled African American commits jihad. We have enough hate issues with the Muslim world now. America has more then enough on its plate. What is the difference if insanity manifests itself as God or Allah?
3:50 another reason for this would be that showing such a complete lack of effort on behalf of our government to actually do something about terrorists instead of just using them as an excuse to take our freedom would be completley against the agenda of corporate media
warewolf435 4 months ago
But of ALL the falsehoods here, the vile trash that they are "anti-Christian" is the worst. First, it's not the JOB of the media to be "pro-Christian". Secondly, as a devout Christian myself, I will remind you that MANY Christians are pro-choice, as all SHOULD be, that Dr. Tiller was a committed Christian who was shot dead in his church. You seem to think that because they didn't exploit a local story to stir up more hate and fear of Muslims for no good reason, they're "anti-Christian".
PrisonerNumber9653 9 months ago
What a load of BUNK!!! These stories aren't REMOTELY connected, there is no "liberal bias" in the news. A physician is murdered in cold blood by an anti-choice radical is national news, the other was NOT national news.
NOBODY is "pro-abortion", and the news media is insanely balanced on the issue, to the point of putting "balance" ahead of telling the truth out of fear of nuts like you. They are not "anti-gun" by reporting that Tiller was murdered, as thousands are, with a gun.
PrisonerNumber9653 9 months ago
I am SO GLAD that abortion "doctor" is dead.
donnajeanh 11 months ago
@donnajeanh There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor". He was a doctor, and a true hero. It's absolutely vile that you'd celebrate his murder, and that you question his being a doctor, he was an outstanding doctor who saved lives and served women whom others didn't have the courage to help.
PrisonerNumber9653 9 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Wow. You're still harping on this subject? lol
donnajeanh 9 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Wow. You're still harping on this subject? lol
donnajeanh 9 months ago
Tiller deserved to die. William did not.
2142Unknown 1 year ago
@2142Unknown
who are you to decide who should live and die?
MichaelCasanovaMusic 1 year ago
@MichaelCasanovaMusic Im not, im giving an opinion backed up with basic common sense.
If you dont agree, i dont care.
2142Unknown 1 year ago
lmao! this is gr8 its funny but it tell ppl stuff "allllllllllllll across the country"
SuperWaffleLol 1 year ago
You're a sweet Jewish man. Thank you for expressing this. God bless you.
fuel 1 year ago
thank you you hit the nail on the head
ranger082469 1 year ago
Keith Olbermann is responsible for the murder of William Long because of the left-wing's hatred of the military.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
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stinkinheathen 2 years ago
Life begins at foreplay, amirite?
MorsmordreMaiden 2 years ago
If the woman gives birth and still "doesn't want" the baby (or rather, wants it to have a better home) there are many people who DO want that baby, even if it has a disability!
And as to all this "a few cells" crap, that is the most overdone, tired, and WRONG description I've ever heard. Ever tried looking at an early sonogram? The uh, "cells" are moving around in there-
JosieCashew 2 years ago
JosieCashew: 'The uh, "cells"'
Yeah, amoebae can also move.
d3fau1thmph 2 years ago
The Media is biased...anyone who doesn't think so has brain cells set to idle. I think the 'Opinion Page' is a misnomer...nearly all articles have some form of opinion...like if they use the term 'pro file' with quotes...or 'Extremest' . They only use that word for anyone that disagrees...
DadInValley 2 years ago
....the pill, etc. But accidents happen. No contraceptive is %100. Do you know what it was like for women before abortion was legal? Coat hangers in back allies? Do we really want to go back to that? Do we really want to force women to give birth to babies they don't want? Do you really consider removing a few cells in the first week of pregnancy - murder? Is one cell at conception the same as a child?
verstwo2 2 years ago
Well most of the time they were stupid and didnt use birth control. Just adopt the baby when you have it, its not that hard.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
the reason why the Tiller story is more shocking is; a doctor attending church, in no way expected to be shot at let alone murdered. whereas a soldier on duty, knows that there is a chance we their life may be at risk. Just as a mother being shot which shopping would be more shocking then a police officer being shot on duty. It's not that one is anymore tragic then the other, but one is defiantly more surprising then the other.
verstwo2 2 years ago
The soldiers werent in a war zone.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
regardless, it's still more shocking to hear of a doctor gunned down in a church by a 'pro-life' activist, then an on duty soldier gunned down by a jihadist. The soldier may not have been in a war zone, but he was on duty as a guard. My sympathy goes out to both, but one is still more shocking and unexpected then the other.
verstwo2 2 years ago
So your saying a "doctor" who brutally murdered thousands of late term infants is more important then an honorable soldier?
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
no. I did say he was more important. And no he didn't "brutally murder thousands of late term infants". In fact the term 'late term infants' makes no sense, you mean late term pregnancies. Besides, late term abortions are only done if they are medically necessary to protect the life or health of the mother. It is not murder. Would you let the mother and the child die when you could save the mother by aborting the fetus?
verstwo2 2 years ago
Well in those cases yes. I think abortion is only justified to protect the mom from severe permanent heath effects or death but still most abortion are done because of convenience.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
quite literally all late term abortions are done for these reasons. However, doctor/patient confidentiality prohibits the information from being released. 'Pro-Lifers' tend to just take any abortion and call it murder with out understanding the situation surrounding it. NO late term abortions are ever done for convenience sake. In fact abortions are not convenient at all, they are not pleasant for the woman and I find it hard to believe that any woman would prefer abortion to condoms ...
verstwo2 2 years ago
They should try inducing labor instead of trying to kill it first.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
I can't say I know all the details. But it makes sense to me, that if a women bothers to go through 8-9 months of pregnancy, she's probably not 'trigger happy' for an abortion.
My main point being that saying things like 'abortion is the brutal murder of babies' is not only over simplifies an extremely complex issue, it is factually incorrect and can give justification to mentally unstable individuals to use violence against those who may be 'pro-choice'. Don't reduce the issue to a slogan.
verstwo2 2 years ago
Well it should only be allowed to save the mom from severe health effects or death.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
What about rape and incest victims? Or babies who will be born with severe defects or disorders that will make their lives short and excruciatingly painful, and their parents and siblings will suffer emotionally for the rest of their lives, not to mention financially? So many children go un-adopted already, because they aren't pretty clean healthy white babies? Look at the amount of abuse in foster homes. Isn't the quality of a child's life important, too?
MorsmordreMaiden 2 years ago
Well yea if they were raped they shouldn't be forced to keep the baby and I don't know about disorders. But if she willingly had sex and was going to have a good baby then it would be stupid to abort.
FordCopChrist1995 2 years ago
Stupid, maybe. But pregnancy is a taxing thing, financially and physically and emotionally. If a woman is not ready for a family, or has a family that she is comfortable and happy with, and she used condoms and other methods of birth control (which don't always work) then how can the government step in and tell her that she has to serve as nothing more than an incubator for nine months?
MorsmordreMaiden 2 years ago
@MorsmordreMaiden To even suggest that a woman should abort, because there are, in YOUR opinion, abuses going on in foster homes, shows how ignorant and moronic you and your logic are.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
@MorsmordreMaiden All your arguments are weak. Yeah what about all that stuff? George Tiller was a later term abortionist. If your going to the doctor for check ups there really is no reason for a later term abortion. Obviously there are certain things that could warrant an abortion but Tiller the baby killer went above and beyond that. Just because a female is irresponsible doesn't mean she should be able to abort whenever she wants. Give the baby up for adoption.
rascalMatt17 1 year ago
And they always blame someone else.
granudisimo 2 years ago
usag....when and where did I ever bring up solar or wind power for automobiles? Wind power? Are you on meds?
wittumy 2 years ago
usag....my claim that Al Q and Bin Laden are as strong as pre 9/11 come from the National Intelligence Report....under the Bush administration.
wittumy 2 years ago
this country is in a pickle because of ignroamus' like you. wake up and see whats going on.
Justice4all311 2 years ago
you sit there complaining about things yet you never look at the root causes.
Justice4all311 2 years ago
you gonna stay ignorant forever?
Justice4all311 2 years ago
usag....don't talk about others taking responsibility for their actions when you've failed to acknowledge the failures of the past 8 years. A trillion spent on Terror....result....Al Q and Bin Laden as strong as pre 9/11. The failure to account for billions spent in Iraq. The failure to make one significant gain in energy independance. The failure of your hands off approach to big business which led to abuses...which led to economical meltdowns. You have zero credibility.
wittumy 2 years ago
Those abuses you talk about where failures and greed from greed people that can be at any political or economic sign, cars and guns kill when unresponsible people is on board, let´s ban cars and guns, and now that we are just on the subject..., Let´s ban capitalism too, comunism was even overruled by greed and unresponsible people and I didn´t saw it banned from the world yet.
granudisimo 2 years ago
granud....we have laws that pertain to driving...if you violate the law you're punished. There should be better laws to govern business/capitalism and when businesses violate them they should be punished. There should be laws for gun ownership..if you violate them you should be punished. I never said ban guns or capitalism...just have reasonable laws that are enforced. How many businesses were investigated for hiring illegals in the past 8 years? With around 12 million illegals is it that hard?
wittumy 2 years ago
usag...what's wrong with saying it's too bad that someone killed themselves? A Christian shouldn't have to ask that question....they know the answer. You should also know that God hates liars like you.
wittumy 2 years ago
usag...I'm aware of Bush phenominal accomplishments in the area of abortion. After decades of abortions you got a president who signed legislation effecting 1/2 of one percent of all abortions. That's the holy grail you pro-lifers was after wasn't it? Eight years of Bush...abortion still legal. I've always been against partial birth abortions except in cases of rape, incest or health of mother.
wittumy 2 years ago
Createh....you have absolutely no idea that Tiller will end up in hell with Roeder. In this country you are innocent until proven guilty & Tiller was never proven guilty. You who call yourself pro-life have failed 45 million fetusses and will continue to with your methods that accomplish nothing. You had Bush for 8 years and NOTHING was done about the issue of abortion. He did something that effects 1/2 of 1% of all abortions...but not a damn thing else...where's the rage?
wittumy 2 years ago
...and all black school thought ye didnt have rugby in america>?
podge314 2 years ago
I don't make mistakes in regard to murder. stopping a birth is not murder. I's abortion.
If I wanted the country to fail, I would make sue all retarded babies lives, to over stress the system.
but the half functioning people that get 32 and under on military scores shouldn't be saved. as they are the ones that cause the problem.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
To drwalepen15: Abortion will continue to be a murder while condoms, pills, "the day after" pills, IUD (Intra Uterine Device), and spermicide lubricants, still exist.
Why killing them when you have counterconceptive methods?.
granudisimo 2 years ago
USAG...you're talking out of your ass again. I thought you were pro-life....why would you say it's too bad another person didn't kill themselves? Why do you create scenes in your mind that aren't reality?
wittumy 2 years ago
I don't make mistakes. If it was my child I would keep it, however, If it was a retarded, like George Bush, I would let her decide what to do with it.
I don't make decisions for my women. They are expected and allowed to make their own choice in my house hold.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
creathav..... that Texas was considering seceeding wasn't of enough substance to make a rhetorical comment about it. Perry was speaking out of his ass. Hopefull he'll soon be gone and my State can benefit from a true leader.
wittumy 2 years ago
createhav.....Texas is not seceeding.....I guess you've fallen for a weak comment from a weak Governor.
wittumy 2 years ago
"The only reason it exists biblically." Damn, you people are giving Christianity a bad name. No wonder there are so many atheists on youtube. As for your other comments, this is simply not going to happen. Also, Israel is not only made up of European Jews. It is made up of Jews from all over the world. Thousands of them fled from Arab nations which seized there holdings once Israel became a legally recognized state. And I see you're also a conspiracy buff. Oh well everyone needs a hobby.
purplehazed54 2 years ago
Oh my! The news media is biased? No kidding, that's like waking up this mornig being shocked that the sky is blue on a clear day. That's why getting information from credible writers that do not force their opinions are the way to go. Who do you trust more? The person who gets their info from one biased source, or the guy who gets his info from 10 sources including the first guys? The person with the better info will know more about any subject.
InteGrayting 2 years ago
Riiiiight. Sure, you go with that... you still obviously don't know what "paganism" is, and I'm sure you were in the back row watching these animal blessings. *rolls eyes*
You've demonstrated not only a lack of knowledge on the topic, but a severe religious bias and inability to control your hate. Its a *very* good thing our law is specific against the crimes people like you and Roeder commit. You'd promote anarchy and lawlessness while screaming everyone is "unAmerican." Done with you.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Moron? Surely you're joking.
Kansas found him INNOCENT time and again. All you have to do is look up the cases to know this is a fact. Screaming otherwise does not change it.
All people are technically a mass of cells, living or unborn. That biologists say such a thing is not an insult. You've made it clear you do NOT understand actual biology, so I'd do a little more indepth research before pretending to know the experts are wrong.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
The man who killed the army recruiters was not from the Middle East....he's an American! His name before converting to Islam was Carl Bledsoe. So maybe the evil liberal media doesn't want to "defame" anyone who is from America?
spartangirl 2 years ago
The Washington post said he was convicted in 1996 of criminal use of explosives and served 16 months. Then his conviction was overturned in 1998. And you can put the various heresies masquerading as Chrisitan churches in the "don't get me started" category. I have no doubt that Tiller's pastor loved the star-power Tiller brought to his congregation.
capone70 2 years ago
I was talking to abdisa2003.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
No disrespect, but if you knew the background of Roeder; arrested several times; among the reasons conceiled arms, bomb-making equipment (domestic terrorism). A member of anti-government militias. And finally, let's not forget he shot Tillman inside a CHURCH. He is far from someone we want to heroicize idealize or paint as a victim. If you ask me, had he been born 50 years earlier he could have bombed a black church in the south just as easily as he shot Tillman in our era.
capone70 2 years ago
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capone70 2 years ago
I am both glad and relieved. God's will be done. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Do I advocate the killing of abortion doctors by violent means? no. But I will not be a hypocrite and shed any crocodile tears for their demise.
abdisa2003 2 years ago 2
I love how you completely IGNORE every point brought to you. I'll let you ramble on more about your "blood relatives" and how clever they are now. Buh-bye!
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
GM files chapter 11?
Tiller will be remember as a soldier now. I Guarantee 10 people will take tillers place, especially for 5k a piece.
Tiller was making some serious cash.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
You are right that abortion is big business. The abortion industry are like drug cartels; they know it's quick and easy cash since very few people want to get their hands dirty with it. And those who do will go to great lengths to make sure their business and clients continue.
abdisa2003 2 years ago
You are so retarded. If I was your father I would have begged your mother to get an abortion. You are not worth the sperm it took to make you.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
Obviously you don't understand the concept of the word "retarded". So, rather than taking the time to explain how wrong and idiotic your post is, I'll just shake my head in pitty at you, remembering not everyone was born with a functioning mind, but that ironically, most can operate a computer.
abdisa2003 2 years ago
Save your pity. Eat a fetus.
drwalepen15 2 years ago
"creathavok is my blood relative and his son is my blood. I now all about the boys world wide achievements recognized internationally and nationally. unlike evolution he based his conclusions on 3000 years of western REASON CALLED LOGIC AND COMPLEX MATH EQUATIONS"
Here's the comment you erased. I love how you admit a FAMILIAL BIAS, then go on to claim mathematics can 'negate' evolution, which is BIOLOGY. It doesn't work that way, and if you were scientifically minded you'd know that.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
No man is innocent. You would advocate the murder of any living person. Children aren't even innocent. Many know exactly what they're doing when they misbehave, after all.
Also, women will simply find other sources to abort. The murder of this doctor saved nobody.
One nut taking the law into his hand because he couldn't actually WIN a court case is not "justice." Its a mockery of civil society, our law, and the justice provided by a safe system that ENSURES guilt.
Mock, mock, mock.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
God did nothing. A MAN murdered this doctor. Sheesh, you religious nuts always want to EXCUSE your own nutso behavior as "gods will." Nonsense, all of it. A man acted outside accordance of our LAW, for the simple reason that he couldn't win WITH the law.
And your Stalin reference is as relevant as whats-his-names Hitler reference. As in, not.
Btw, if someone doesn't ascribe to your god, WHY would they ascribe to your 'heaven'? Do catch up.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
WIDOW Ms. Tiller has already been talking to other reproductive health persons interested in taking up Tillers legacy. I'd keep that celebration of a doctors murder in check if I were you.
I also love how you removed the comment talking about being a "blood relative" of C's son, and lauding praise, oh the glory of god, our 'son' is so gifted! More gifted than every other expert in the world, by your words.
Let me say this simply. Math is not biology. He's no basis for an evo opinion.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Actually, today's AP says TIller's abortion mill will be closed forever. More lies and propagand from you? Tsk Tsk! You're giving pro-abortionists a bad name. I mean, one would think you people like to further your own agenda here (as witnessed by you being caught in several lies already).
capone70 2 years ago
You're telling me I can not only predict the future, but I have the abilty to lie about it too? Are you kidding? How are comments from DAYS ago a lie about news from TODAY. I'll let you think about that one on your own.
If Tillers professional friend or family decided to close the clinic and announced such a thing today, good for them. Their business, their choice, obviously. Too bad this basically means you're celibrating successful terrorism. Great way for social change, that.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
You said Tiller's widow was talking to other abortionists. Actually, this was never the case. She wanted it closed. So, either you were lying or spreading more pro-abortion propaganda. Either way, it doesn't look like anyone here should take anything you say seriously anymore. Do you get tired of being wrong? Or just hope that by spreading enough lies maybe one of them will turn out to be true? Was this something your pro-abortion friends taught you or is it a personality trait?
capone70 2 years ago
Tiller had a professional friend who contacted his widow about taking over the clinic. It was on a Maddow interview a couple days after the murder. That something changed his mind, or that the widow eventually decided to close it, does not mean I can magically lie about the FUTURE.
Sheesh, you guys just can't admit when you've gone too far. Now you claim I can see the future, and even knowing what would happen, I "lied" about it. What nonsense. Talk about not taking someone seriously.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Ahhh, now I see. I know philosophy grads too. Most all of them are intent on proving their own prefered god with that philosophy.
Do you not get that philosophy, math, and statistics in NO WAY prepares your son for BIOLOGICAL studies? It doesn't matter if he has a masters in creation science, it doesn't negate what is proven through BIOLOGIC study.
How about you give us this 'list' so we can look into the details ourselves. Or do you not want us to actually *see* it for its flaws?
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
And that would be *ringringring* entirely false. You're obviously not reading my comments, so one last time.
Without evolutionary science, we would have NO MODERN MEDICINE. None. All modern medicine is reliant on evolution science. So is the ENTIRE study of genetics.
You can deny, deny, deny. It seems to be the only thing you have.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
If *you* and your wife believe in god, great! Go with that.
Thankfully, the US isn't a theocracy. You seem to have a big problem understanding that. It means freedom of AND FROM religion. In other words, thats fine for *you,* but to think you can try and enforce it on all Americans is pretty silly.
Kansas found him innocent of every allegation. Whatever you say, this is still true.
Got his just deserts? Surely you're joking.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Funny. The state of Kansas said none of this was true. Funny how he was taken to court several times over anti-abortion activists claims, and found innocent every time. Just like you're speech here... except he's DEAD and can't defend himself. Good show.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Maybe we can set up a tax-funded government program to assist in suicides?
Joe402 2 years ago
No usag the propo is getting busted himself...for spreading propaganda....of all things.
wittumy 2 years ago
Let me put this to you straight. Evolution is fact. You can wander off on your "my son is a top math guy" all you like, you obviously have a severe LACK of genetic, biological, and evolutionary education... and I'm really not surprised, being Texas.
You know "alot" more about squat, and you have no idea what I know. You're now trying to claim an EMOTIONAL pedistal over me because you have no real FACTS to back your opinion. My 3 years of biological anthropology beats your "top math guy."
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
"the top 700 scientests in the world signed off on creationism."
Nonsense, straight up. Every respectable expert you find supports evolution, and will tell you, be them religious or not, that creationism is not valid in any scientific sense. Only the "creation scientists," who aren't actually scientists at all, will tell you what you claim.
Evolution takes place in labs daily. Its called medical & genetic research.
Your son is a "top math guy," so he's a BIOLOGICAL expert...? *sigh*
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Keep saying it over and over. That'll make it true.
Roman culture was actually another inspiration for the Founding Fathers. And you *still* don't understand what paganism is, apparently.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
You have your preferred, nitpicked version of "western tradition" behind you. And I didn't say Aristotle, I was speaking to *you* and your "divine law" claims.
Our Founding Fathers used MANY sources of inspiration to write our legal framework. However, they also specify the power government can and can't hold over the people, or the individual, and womens reproductive health (privacy and choice of) is consistantly supported by our legal system as the proper course within that vision.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Propo...who did the DMN endorse for presidency? What democrat have they ever endorsed for president? How many democrats did the the DMN endorse for Texas senate and governor races? Who did they endorse over a popular Ann Richards when novice Bush ran for gov? Who is a liberal columnist on the DMN? Is columnist Mark Davis not a sometimes replacement on the Rush Limbaugh show?
wittumy 2 years ago
Ah, you're one of those. About the time you use your "natural moral law" to deny evolution, which is accepted by about 99% of the worlds experts, is backed up by mountains of evidence, and has ZERO negating evidence (evidence which would falsify it), then its clear you'll go on believing what you believe no matter what anyone tells you otherwise.
I'm sure your awards are pretty, but I've won national awards for best works of fiction. Does that mean reality revolves around my winnings? No.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
A bunch of religiously inspired gibberish. There is no "divine law." You repeating your chosen phrase over and over again doesn't impact the reality. Secularism is secularism, not paganism. If you can't tell the difference between those things, then I'm really not going to be able to help you see reason here.
You've chosen to base what you think is true on your beliefs, not on what is rational or based on fact.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
No, this country was founded on SECULAR law meant to protect the INDIVIDUAL. You can keep making things up, but I'm afraid what you're saying just doesn't translate.
Further, that would be YOUR god, not all Americans god, and we certainly aren't required to follow his demands as a country. As I said, we are not a theocracy. Unless you *want* to be like Syria, Turkey, or Iran, I suggest you rethink your "natural moral law" bit.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
What propo isn't saying here is that the Dallas Morning News is a conservatively owned and operated newspaper and always has been. The DMN has been staunch backers of republican candidates including McCain in the past presidential race. He should check with them to ask the question why there was a difference in coverage instead of crying liberal.
wittumy 2 years ago
A nice point, thanks. I don't know the DMN's, so thats good to know.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
It is also good to know he is incorrect about the DMN being a conservative newspaper.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Ah, there you are, PB! Were you going to answer my question about the DHS, and clarify your position of it after the murder of Dr. Tiller by a right-wing anti-abortion fanatic?
Perhaps I'll look into the papers style myself. Conflicting reports here, as you can see. ^_^
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Deadlyc.....yeah I remember the Nov 22nd 1963 Dallas Morning News running a full page ad by The American Fact Finding Committee which described itself as "An unaffilliated and no-partisan group of citizens who wish truth". It contained the same kind of socialism, marxism and other remarks about JFK that are so popular today with neo-cons. Such a special welcome to the president that day. They were very tight with right wing circles...and still are.
wittumy 2 years ago
Iiiinteresting... I will definitely be looking into this a little further. Strange things, that interest me, apparently... hehe.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Yeah deadly....every time I see Propo here pop the DMN and run on about how liberal it is I get a good laugh.
wittumy 2 years ago
Man, this kind of shit pisses me off. Its sad when Americans wont even admit that America is just fked up. Thank you for sheding a little light on what most people would not even bother to think twice about. FYI I am pro-choice and I believe I am rather conservative. It really bothers me to know that American media can get away with this kind of bullshit.
caronpaul2 2 years ago
ah the natural moral law...ah could i borrow your copy i seem to have lost my copy....
podge314 2 years ago
I think Creathavok meant to say the "Bible," but knew that wouldn't go over well, so made up his new term, "natural moral law." Sort of like how creationism became intelligent design. Funny how the name always gets changed when for the purpose of imposing their view on the US as a whole.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
you forgot another thing in your unbiasedness - the fact that the first murder happened a day earlier, ie people have had a longer period of time to write about, (today it's 2.000+)
destruantes 2 years ago
There is no "natural moral law." That would be you imposing your opinion into law form. Thankfully, the US is neither a theocracy or ruled by the mob majority. Your "natural moral law" is fine for you, but don't pretend its something you can or should impose on someone else.
Nobody contests that a newly formed life begins at conception. This isn't the point, and it doesn't address the need for safe, private reproductive care in a modern society.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
SAVE THOSE BABIES!
seka1986 2 years ago
i joked (badly) that it wasnt a murder, just a very late term abortion.
The abortionists murder was everywhere, yet the jihadist who killed and wounded soldiers didnt even get reported upon. The liberals are afraid of the TRUTH.
animematt 2 years ago
Didn't get reported on? Are you joking? It *was* all over the news. Perhaps not to the extent as the doctors murder, but to claim it wasn't covered at all is ridiculous.
In fact, some reporting has been done on the charges for each of these murderers. Will the Muslim wanna-be jihadist get terrorism charges? Possibly. Will the Christian anti-abortionist? We'll have to see.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Erasing comments is worse than killing soldiers..!
SPIKEL31A 2 years ago
I think if women are going to do abortions, atleast do it early. I don't like to hear about late abortions, cause that means these woman sat on it for a while and then decided they couldn't take care of the child or didn't want it.
SpikeRazzor 2 years ago
While this is true, Tillers operation was taken through the courts by anti-abortion activist accusations several times, and determined by Kansas law, he was found to be operating legally every time. You'd have to read the state policy to understand how/why.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Did you remove my comment...? If so, bad show.
I'll ask again... as the DHS report, which you claimed was malicious against an innocent right wing (even though it also targeted left wing groups), specifically mentioned anti-abortion fanaticism, have you changed your mind that the report is incorrect since the murder of Dr. Tiller?
I'd repeat the rest of my comment, which was more to the comaprison of the soldiers death, but if you're just going to delete it I don't see the point.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Abortion, gay marriage, are social topics they dont get me stirred up either way but they do for a lot. Agree the deaths of the soilders should have been given more articles.
cedarpose 2 years ago
Another great video, sir. You do a fantastic job of exposing the liberal filth. Right on, brother. I wanted to ask, when will you be running for president? I would vote for you in a second.
Keep in mind, of course, that perhaps not ALL media / news sources are bias. Fox news has always been a fair and balanced source for media coverage.
decetorial 2 years ago
Economic liberties
"End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business.
End government barriers to international free trade.
Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security.
Replace government welfare with private charity.
Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more."
I agreed with all.
If you favour economic liberties but not personal (social) liberties, you are right wing. Opposite is left wing. Libertarian favours both. That's me.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago 2
Personal liberties. Do you agree, maybe, or disagree?
"Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet.
Military service should be voluntary. No draft.
There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults.
Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs.
There should be no National ID card."
I agreed with all but the drugs question.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
Some say, the biggest power of mass media is not to broadcast the matters.
4LMNts 2 years ago 2
Wonder how long this video will be on youtube before CAIR complains about it
Flerndw2222 2 years ago 2
Another great video, Buster. Everytime I watch your videos I realize im not alone in the way I think and in my beliefs (even though im not catholic). My prayers go out to the families of the soldiers. There are still people that back our soldiers 100%.
jojozbludevilz 2 years ago 2
PB, you should be a journalism professor.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
Tamar...Propo coundn't make it as a journalism professor....you have to want to find the truth. Propo only finds information which supports his ideology. He'd make a great Fox News pundit however.
wittumy 2 years ago
Actually, his comments about how subtly bias can be inserted into an article (when he talks about the difference in coverage between the Tiller v. Long murders) is something everyone should keep in mind when reading/writing/commenting on the issues of our day.
I am a J-school grad and I can tell you most of them don't want to the "the truth" they want to "change the world". There's a difference.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
Tamar...you don't read propo much then. I do give propo credit for his comments on bias.....unfortunately he is a heavy user of bias himself.
I understand your point about some wanting to change the world and agree. I'm surprised though about your comment about him being a professor though. If you were one of those journalists that do seek the truth you trully missed on that comment.
wittumy 2 years ago
The difference is that PB doesn't claim to be unbiased while the media do make this claim (and fall terribly short of the mark--on purpose IMO).
Most journalists don't seek the truth, they seek their version of it.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
Propo says he's the propaganda buster Tamar.
wittumy 2 years ago
ok I'll go abort myself
do you have a time machine I can use?
Joe402 2 years ago
Either one of those two soldiers were better men than that abortion doctor. You see? BETTER!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
You are absolutely right.
opchidexio 2 years ago
Instead of killing unborn clumps of cells soldiers kill brown people.
whatever.
Joe402 2 years ago
Yeah. Unless the "brown" people happen to be white, like in Bosnia. And of course when the "brown people" kill each other too much and the US doesn't send soldiers, like in Rwanda, the US gets accused of not doing enough for "brown people". Not too smart are you.
capone70 2 years ago
You don't really look at a lot of unborn children, do you?
I can tell this is just more political leverage for you. Oh! And you had to inject race in there, didn't you? As if the soldiers were racist! Golly gee! you must be a clever boy, aren't you? Are you a clever boy?
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Well maybe just racist against middle-easterners.
Joe402 2 years ago
That's completely speculative and without any substantial facts, and once again, contrived for politicization.
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
As far as i have heard, Obama has released no official statment commenting on how tragic the death of the soldier was, but was quick to say how terrible it was that Tiller was killed... Shows where his priorities lie...
tx55drexray 2 years ago
Actually Pres. Obama did release a statement today. I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Longs family as they mourn the loss of their son.
Which is quite insipid & milquetoast compared to his "shock and outrage" over the murder of the abortion doctor.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
The murder of the soldiers was a lone event, while the murder of the doctor represents terrorism against all womens rights as to reproductive care. While this isn't an excuse, it may be a reason the doctors murder is more 'hyped' than the soldiers.
Somehow, I doubt either would be called irrelevant, and to call the offering of his sorrow to Longs family "insipid" is pretty judgemental.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
The right to kill babies in the third trimester has nothing to do with women's health or their reproductive rights. It's murder and infanticide. Period. I'm sure Moloch is happy with us now. 50 million dead babies for women's "rights". Sick!
As for the murder of the soldiers, more info is coming out which would indicate that might not have been a "lone event" after all, while the murder of the abortion doctor was a lone event done by a lone man for his own brand of vigilante justice.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
You can scream "kill" and "murder" as much as you want, that isn't the legal reality, and anti-abortion activists have failed to change that for a very long time. You cannot divorce womens rights from reproductive choice. What is "sick" is your opinion, and as I said, opinions are irrelevant.
If it comes out that the soldier killing was not a lone event, fine. We want the truth. But no, Tillers murderer was not a "lone" man. He was supported openly by at least 2 anti-abortion orgs.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Yes, opinions are irrelevant. But to pro-abortion supporters, unfortunately so is science. The scientific and physical fact that at 30 days a foetus has a functioning heart, a brain at human proportions and can at 5 weeks live viably outside the womb doesn't seem to deter those in favor of abortion. So, your opinions, purely and scientificallly illogical and baseless, are equally as sick to us.
capone70 2 years ago
There's no activity in the cerebral cortex. I don't think we should fuck up the lives of young women so you have another potential lickspittle cohort to donate more money to your ridiculous fucking church.
Talking fucking snakes is no less insane than 40 virgins in heaven.
MussyPagnet 2 years ago
Nobody is "pro-abortion." Maybe you're playing word games with the terms, but the reality is many people are pro-CHOICE. Bit of a difference. That we think its necessary doesn't mean we *like* abortion.
At 5 weeks...? Honestly? No. Just no. Every doctor will laugh you out of the room. Babies extracted a month early are lucky to live at all. I'd love to see the data saying babies can do just fine at 5 weeks.
Again, what you think is "sick" is up to you, and isn't relevant.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Yes, that was my key-slip. I meant to say 25 weeks, but didn't catch that. I'm glad you pro-abortion lot are such good spell-checkers. So, other than the missing digit, was anything else I said incorrect? Since my wife is a gynocologist, I'm fairly certain its accurate.
capone70 2 years ago
Such good spell-checkers? Am I suppose to be psychic and know what you meant through a type-only format? We only know what you SAY, not what you're thinking. We certainly don't know your wifes profession off the top of our heads. Honestly, thats just silly. Can't you just own up to YOU having made a little mistake, without being insulting to others? Or is that too much to ask?
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Women have plenty of reproductive choice in this society but once she gets pregnant, there's an innocent second party who has a right to life.
Science backs that up.
As for your comment that Tiller's murderer was "supported openly by at least 2 anti-abortion orgs" is a bald face lie.
Repeat the lies but we don't believe them.
Tamar1973 2 years ago
Doctor Tillers clients included a 10 and an 11 year old, victims of incest. Tell me again about "reproductive choice."
You can't possibly know an individuals circumstances, and you can't line a rape victim up in front of a judge for a sexual inquiry before she can be allowed to make a medical decision.
Tillers murderer was a member of the "Army of God" and was in constant contact with "Operation Rescue" official who gave him Tillers personal home AND HIS CHURCHES address.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Also, to be blunt, science doesn't ascribe any "rights" to anything. Its the study of natural process, and the description is called natural law. Its YOU who ascribe innocence to human conception before birth. Do be upfront with it, its fine to think that in and of itself, but don't pass it off as something "science" told you.
I've no reason to lie. Funny that the news has been reporting his connections to these 2 groups for a couple days now, but you claim its a "bald face lie." Hmm.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
We are saying that science backs up the humanhood of a foetus at very early stages. Meaning there is no mistake that you are killing a human being and not just a "clump of cells" as pro-abortionists like to say. And I can say I have a connection to the Black Panthers since I know several members. This does not mean I endorse what they do or they I. Regardless of how many times pro-lifers and pro-life organizations decry and denounce the murder it will never be enough for you pro-abortionists
capone70 2 years ago
Has anyone claimed science said otherwise? Not that I've seen. Of course they're early human stages of life.
"Killing" is your opinion, not the legal reality. Thats what you call an incendiary term, not a useful comment. And it is still technically a "clump of cells" in the 1st trimester, as the body isn't larger than a pea.
We obviously hear the orgs that *have* denounced the murder of Tiller. But this wasn't your claim, which was that they *all* had, which was very clearly false.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
Once again, at 30 days (at the very begining of the first trimester) a foetus has a functining heart and a human proportion sized brain. This is NOT just a clump of cells and SCIENCE is telling you this, yet you are clearly either too irrational or obstinant to acknowledge it. And I did NOT say "all" orgs denounced the murder. You pro-abortionists are such liars. Anything to further your cause I guess. And "legal reality" is subjective, since 200 years ago a slave was property and not human.
capone70 2 years ago
Did I SAY "there isn't a heart." NO. You're taking the extreme of my comments, as you can't address them directly. Having a proportioned brain doesn't stop it from still being less than the size of a pea.
Again, science tells you nothing. You are ascribing your OPINION onto science. Science is a method of study, not an opinion.
Perhaps it wasn't you who said "all," but several others (with similar names to you, btw) HAVE.
Legal realities are specific, not subjective.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
I used the scientific heart FACT that a foetus has a functioning heart to successfully refute your error in sayng the foetus is a "clump of cells" in the first trimester. You are wrong and an idiot if you can't accept this. And I did NOT say "all"; there is no "perhaps" about it. You are a gutless moral coward for not saying, "I apologize, you actually didn't say that." Big surprise. You lie and distort to try to prove your point. And you are not worth my time.
capone70 2 years ago
Moron. The murder of a soldier not in combat represents MOHAMMEDAN TERRORISM. An abortion doctor just means more to you personally. You are so stupid and shallow at this point it is just plain funny.
capone70 2 years ago
Tony, you can't spell L-I-B-E-R-A-L without H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
The math doesn't look like it works, but it's true nonetheless.
NoGuff 2 years ago
You can't spell C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E without C-O-N.
ehh that could've been more clever
Joe402 2 years ago
Yeah...not too clever there. You should have said "you can't spell LIBERALS or LIBS with out "BS". That would have been smarter. You don'tt seem to get the concept of wordplay.
abdisa2003 2 years ago
"You don'tt seem to get the concept of wordplay"
--I do, jackass. I was taking it to an absurd extreme, thus my "math" comment.
You don't seem to be able to understand humor that isn't spoon-fed to you because it takes brains to understand.
NoGuff 2 years ago
LOL. if you say so.
abdisa2003 2 years ago
It isnt contradictory if you are anti-abortion and not pro life ;D
tx55drexray 2 years ago
Please excuse me if I don't throw myself up on George Tiller's coffin and whale like some Roh Moo Hyun supporter.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
Good one, Cloe.
NoGuff 2 years ago
I disagree with late-term abortions. They are illegal in most countries.
CloeBuckingham 2 years ago
Two videos in a row hitting the nail in the coffin. You now have Divine Enlightenment. Good job PB. Use that brain of yours and you will soon see the whole picture.
TheStormchaser1 2 years ago
The Republicans are WORSE than the Democrats..because the Democrats are being just what they are..But the republicans pretend they are not like the Democrats but they are..
They are both for globalization and the downfall of the USA..!
SPIKEL31A 2 years ago
I do see the media's point. Another abortion doctor is murdered. That was over due. GM bankrupt. ? Even with the headlines that's hard to swallow. Lone disgruntled African American commits jihad. We have enough hate issues with the Muslim world now. America has more then enough on its plate. What is the difference if insanity manifests itself as God or Allah?
AuShawster 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
lmao who cares about the deaths of soldiers you can just get more from poor inner city high schools
Joe402 2 years ago
Five Stars!!
MadBadVoodo 2 years ago