Front Sight Epilogue: Closing Thoughts & Advice

[starfire0007]

Great video series. I went through the 4 day class 6 months ago. Great review, can't wait to get back there for more training. Are you a member?

[TheLateBoyScout]

@starfire0007 Thanks for watching. Nope, I did not spring for the membership.

[RaspyGA]

Good video series! While I do disagree with some of the teachings (based only on your vlogs, as I have not attended training at Front Sight), I do agree with you in that a lot of the core principles are inline with my own. Not all instructors teach the same techniques/methods, and this is to be expected. I'll further your encouragement to take professional training by saying take more of it, and from different schools- as often as you can. Thanks again!

-RaspyGA

[Cr0cket20]

Sounds like a great time with lots of lessons learned. Will be fun to see how it translates to your shooting.

[revistadearmas]

Good info, mozambique drill very controversial dont you think ?

excessive use of lethal force for some

or shoot to stop the threat but dont do this

mmmm interesting

Like you said its journey in learning and adapting what works for each of us

hope you discuss on your range time what feel better for you and what not

[outhousepumper1]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Will you be sharing the drills you learned at frontsite with us in your future videos ?

[TheLateBoyScout]

@outhousepumper1 Yes sir, that's the plan.

[ScoutsNOA]

What a great experience, awesome training. Thanks for vids.....

[TheLateBoyScout]

@ScoutsNOA I sure enjoyed it.

[chavezchavez556]

Have you ever heard of Clint Smith or Gabe Suarez ?

[TheLateBoyScout]

@chavezchavez556 Absolutely.

[lostburro]

TNX for the series! Good stuff!

[TheAZexplorer]

I agree 100% with wearing a hat while shooting. Years ago I had a shell fly back and get caught between my sunglasses and face. I ended up with a slight burn just below my eye. Great video and series!

[TheLateBoyScout]

@TheAZexplorer I had one go down my shirt while on the line at FS. It burned all the way down to my belly button. Fun stuff.

[drzmanproject]

great epilogue to a great series! Ya gotta go back to get that certificate!

[TheLateBoyScout]

@drzmanproject Thanks, buddy. I may go back... mastering the skills is what I'm really after though, certificate or not.

[SmokingandTyping]

I just read all the other comments about the Kool-Aid and the sales pitches. I've got no opinion either way but you just got back. If 90% of the class didn't pass the four day class, do you think they should call it an 8 day class in two parts or adjust it so it's less discouraging to most of their students? That's kind of a big question but you said you got your money's worth.

[TheLateBoyScout]

@SmokingandTyping Most folks wouldn't go if they made it longer. It's hard enough for an average Joe to take a week off work, plus pay the expense of travel and tuition to take the class. Jack that up to two weeks, and very few civilians would find the time for it. I think the model they're using is right to get folks down there, but students really have to go prepared and focused to get that grad cert the first time through.

[SmokingandTyping]

@TheLateBoyScout There's something to that. Your state may be different but in VA there seems to not be a whole lot of options between the dirt cheap NRA basic pistol class and spending two to four days and thousands of dollars. That's a big jump. I kind of think everything's focused on people who are brand new or experts.

[SmokingandTyping]

Thanks for putting up this series. What electronic hearing protection seemed to hold up ok over the four straight days? Between batteries dying, hearing the instructors, and not going deaf, were any betters than others?

[TheLateBoyScout]

@SmokingandTyping I didn't notice anyone's hearing protection fail on them. My Howard Leight's did great. Still using the same batteries I took down there - never had to change them.

[SmokingandTyping]

@TheLateBoyScout Thanks. That's actually really helpful. I figured with 30 people running around for three days you might have seen one brand ran down batteries faster, distracted or just been uncomfortable. It's kind of a dull topic so nobody talks about it.

[ElDub50]

Great to see first hand feedback about training. I think it's key to get training from as many different sources as possible and take away what's best for you. As far as techniques, I keep in mind that "sometimes" an org. will adopt a certain technique ONLY because their lawyers insist on limiting the org's liability. Training a shoot-to-kill technique (2 to chest 1 to head) opens them to lawsuits .. training a shoot-to-stop-the-threat technique (2 to chest, scan) limits their law suits.

[TheLateBoyScout]

@ElDub50 Agreed. Helps the defendant too, I think.

[TacticalHadoken]

Would be great if you could visit some other training centers and make a mini series out of each one.

Would be cool & Im sure it would intrest a lot of people. ; )

[TheLateBoyScout]

I'd love to. We'll see if time and money allow that. :)

[lambdog76]

great work

[TheLateBoyScout]

@lambdog76 Thanks, man.

[RNURSEWOODS]

Remember the four-day defensive handgun course is an "INTRODUCTION' course at front sight, enabling graduates to enter into more sophisticated gun courses, if you cannot perform at a certain level one should not be able to advance to a high-level course requiring high-level familiarity and skills. I think that makes perfect sense. Having not graduated myself at front sight, I will be returning so I can advance to higher level classes. No Kool-Aid taken.

Thanks for your time

Roger

[Wils0n951]

@RNURSEWOODS They were only able to successfully "graduate" 2% of the students who attended? How can you call that competent instruction in the first place?? And what would make you want to PAY them again, to try to teach you what they couldn't teach you the first time???

[RNURSEWOODS]

@Wils0n951 some good points, however they did teach me that I was not competent enough with a gun and the use thereof. Just as LBS stated, I had picked up a lot of bad habits which have since been trained out of me. My skill level was far lower than the training received, however when I do return both will be on par. If I told you what I paid for a lifetime membership you would appreciate why I will be going back to get graduate status. PS I just subbed you, like your channel.

Roger

[TheLateBoyScout]

@RNURSEWOODS Perfectly said, and I absolutely agree.

[ckiefer045]

Thanks for the review. I took that class last April and really enjoyed it. I shot grad last year, and will be heading back this April to try and shoot DG. You vids helped refresh my memory on some the stuff I've been lazy about.

[TheLateBoyScout]

@ckiefer045 Well done! You shot better than me, obviously. :)

[biguy525]

I noticed that you said something may get accidentally stolen from your bag. Out of curiosity how does something get accidentally stolen. From past experiences I would have to say it is probably more intent than accident. ; )

[TheLateBoyScout]

@biguy525 I don't know what I meant by that... Yeah, it's pretty hard to accidentally steal something from a bag, but lots of people bring the same gear down there, and it would be easy to mix up whose is whose if you don't keep it on you.

[deepwater1974]

Glock malfunction? YES!!!! I always hated glock!! Good video though.

[pelahale]

Must be fun times. Btw you're lucky to be in Utah.

[chanderson1]

I've always been curious about Front Sight. Seems like a lot of invaluable information you've learned on your first visit. After your experience, are you going to attend the courses at Front Sight again? Thanks for the information. Sounds like you not only learned a lot, but also enjoyed your time there.

[TheLateBoyScout]

@chanderson1 Absolutely. Thanks for watching.

[jeffreylane7]

Excellent series TLBS. I enjoyed them very much. Thank you.

[scooter17568]

Thanks for the series.  I have a friend who will be attending Front Sight and I've sent him links to all your vlog series. Thanks again.

[EanX69]

Great piece on closing and advise. Thanks!

[SurviveToLife]

Great advicse. THank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like a fantastic bit of training. Hopefully, one day I will get the opportunity to attend their basic course and others. Best wishes!

[SafeArmsReview]

Not dissing FS (& there is no perfect school) however if FS is saying that in a lethal force encounter you only shoot 2 to the body is setting ppl up for failure imo.

FBI & police stats show LEO hit rate is about 20% (80% failure). So the odds of hitting a threat with 2 rounds is very low; 20% of 2 = .4% chance of hitting the threat. Ppl will do what they r trained to do & often 2 rounds is not enough.

Take what is useful but dont drink the Koolaid

:)

[TheLateBoyScout]

@SafeArmsReview Thanks for chiming in, bro! I agree that in any training you need to take what's useful and build on it with your own knowledge and experience. I hope I didn't come across as a Koolaid drinker - I'm pretty allergic to that stuff. ;)

[SafeArmsReview]

Not legal to defend against lethal force with Mozambic (which is lethal force)?

I would like to the supporting case law on that (dont ever use a drill title in court - just that you defended your self). So putting 4 to the chest & 2 to the head is pure terrorism? Sorry but that doesn't make sense.

Each school has their own quirks & slant on things - just use what is good & discard the rest. By claiming to be the best in the world means discounting a LOT of great info, tactics & techniques.

[TheLateBoyScout]

@SafeArmsReview Just as every school has their own slant on things, so does every court... and jury. I think FS's intent is to give their students the best "ammo" they can to protect them from both criminals and the courts.

[revistadearmas]

@SafeArmsReview

Agree with you

Dont known where they advice against this tecnique, just confuse people.

[Smokin07ram]

LBS,

Great series!

I have just over 30 years of reloading and I can count the FTFs on one hand (2). I am very meticulous and assemble my reloads to the highest standards with the best equipment.

Do you still think I would still benefit from factory ammo?

Thanks in advance!

Peace

[TheLateBoyScout]

@Smokin07ram Let me clear that up... I don't personally have a problem with anyone shooting reloads anywhere they want. FS does not allow reloads because of past experiences with bad reloads & exploding guns. To maximize safety for everyone, they only allow factory new ammo.

[ElDub50]

@TheLateBoyScout Right .. so far I haven't found any training course that doesn't require new factory ammo. They have no way to distinguish between expert reloaders and Bozo who decided to bring his special formula ++++P custom loads to training.

[TruthBeTold2K]

Your final thoughts are that you failed. LMAO!

[TheLateBoyScout]

@TruthBeTold2K How did you extract that from what I said?

[hehehehahahaful]

Sounds like a bunch of deusch bags that work there that think they are the know all end all gun experts

[TheLateBoyScout]

@hehehehahahaful Why don't you go and find out for yourself if they are.

[Wils0n951]

Most of the class didn't "graduate", and feels the need to return for the same "training" again? Alot of what you said reminds me of USMC boot camp psychological indoctrination techniques and/or cult recruitment tactics. Sounds to me, like a great 4 day psychological sales pitch and a very poor and ineffective "training"...

[TheLateBoyScout]

@Wils0n951 So you're a Marine?

[TheLateBoyScout]

@Wils0n951 I don't know how you got that out of what I said; I would not describe it that way at all.

[paintballpyro9]

Sweet vid, thanks for the info

[intenseangler]

Excellent summary. Thanks for passing on the info and lessons learned.