that though you may not find understanding, you find tolerance for those with faith different from your own. We are all in this together, and the only way anything will get better is together. Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. I pray peace finds each of us in our time.
before you made hateful judgemental comments based on YOUR own interpretation of a faith it is very obvious you have little knowledge of. I know and work with many different people. I am a christian and believe that it is not for me to determine what is wrong or right with someone elses faith. I live my own life the best way I can and treat others with respect just as I would have them give me. Love one another as I have loved you ring a bell? I will leave you with this one and pray
catholics? He provides revelation for his people as the "mouthpiece" of god. Third and Probably my favorite reference of yours is the Revelation 22:18 reference. Perhaps YOU should pick up a bible and go to Deuteronomy 4:2, or better yet Proverbs 30:6 both are in the OLD testament which suggests anything from the NEW testament is an addition worthy of the plagues as well. The last thing I want to touch on is shame on you for speaking on behalf of all "christians". You didn't get MY permission
Let me provide you with some facts as your comments seem to be hatred biased rants with a scripture reference here and there. To start out wards are the area you live in, sacrament is the name of an LDS service. Second mormons rotate through each book in scripture (old testament, new testament, and Book of Mormon) most LDS people are VERY well versed in ALL scriptures. Second, the lds faith is not the only people who believe in present day prophets. What purpose do you think the pope has for the
you must understand that it is not the same at all. And because of that true Christians are going to always ALWAYS stand up and tell you why mormonism is not Christianity at all. Your priesthoods are defunct and obsolete according to Hebrews chapters 7-10. Jesus is our High Priest. Your ordinances are defunct. Jesus fulfilled the old testament law because we couldnt. Your works based faith is contrary to the Bible. Your God is not the God of the Bible and the BOM is not another testament.
@KakkoiGuy1 My guess is that you have never actually been to a LDS Church on Sunday and nor have you ever read the Book of Mormon. Before You say something about a religion you know nothing about, I would ask you to read the Book of Mormon and pray about it.
@Sparrow1347 Well, that's what happens when someone "guesses". It's the same as assuming. YES. I have been to an LDS WARD on Sunday. Yes, I HAVE READ your book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and even your Journal of Discourses which are a compilation of sermons from all your prophets up until about thirty or 40 years ago. And to top it off, I live here in downtown Salt Lake City. :) Not bad huh? The Mormon Jesus, Salvation, an Gospel are different from the Biblical
@KakkoiGuy1 This is just were we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that the church is true, I grew up in a Jewish house hold, and I can tell you that not having answers to pivotal questions in you faith really bites. I asked my Rabbi a question and he could give me an answer, so I went to a pastor in a local church and he couldn't answer my question either. Then I asked a member of the LDS church, not only did she answer my question she showed me where to find it in the scriptures.
@Sparrow1347 I grew up in a household that was steeped in freemasonry. So I can understand what you mean. However, truth of the matter is this...Mormonism will never be true Bible believing Christianity. If I were a satanist and told you I was Jewish and though I said things that were similar, other things that we should agree on as Jews were far off you'd say I wasn't Jewish because I didn't adhere to the fundamental teachings of Judism. It's the same with Mormonism and Christianity. I bet
@KakkoiGuy1 Again, I would like to agree to disagree.The first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity put a group of spiritual leaders together and said compile all of the important books together and get rid of everything else. This is where the Roman Catholic bible came from and all of the translations to different languages from the original have add more to the book and taken away much. I read the Holy Bible in Hebrew not in English to cut down on mistranslated issues.
@Sparrow1347 Well my friend. 1 I'm not roman catholic. I'm not protestant. I'm a bible believing Christian. BIBLE ONLY believing Christian. I defend the bible like mormons defend the book of mormon. However the difference is this. The old testament we have now is the same old testament we had 1000's of years ago. How do I know this. Well, the dead sea scrolls were found and prove that. As for the new testament, we have over 4000 manuscripts that date back to the first century that prove
@KakkoiGuy1 Actually that is not completely correct. The old testament has more too it, and the English version is full of mistranslated information. The new testament was actually not all written in the same language. I am not trying to disprove Christianity however they people that are Christian (or at least all the ones I have seen) are only really Christian on Sunday, and the rest of the week they are anything but Christ like. I know that we are all human and we all make mistakes but really?
@Sparrow1347 Actually it is true. There are even secular scriptual anualist that will attest to what I'm saying. This is one of the main problems Christians have with Mormons. You claim to be Christian but very scriptures that Christians trust and believe in, you don't consider trustworthy. This is blasphemous. You sit there and say this but at the same time the evidence for the Bible is irrefutable. It's trustworthy, historically, achaeologically, and prophetically. The cities and coins and
battles mentioned in it have been proven to have happened. It's as sound as sound can be. If you don't trust it, throw it out. I would if I believed it was flawed or tampered with. I've done extensive research to disprove the Bible just for the sake of testing it legitamacy and I've found that even extra biblical sources prove it to be true. You can not say the same about the BOM. Even the Smithonian Institute will NOT put a stamp of authenticity on it. It's a fictional book at best. No
coins found from it, not cities mentioned in it are found, not archaeologically correct at all, the animals it claims to have been here like horses weren't even native to here. No relics found and not historically nor prophetically correct. You personally don't have to come out and BASH anything. Joseph Smith did it for you in his multiple FIRST visions. Claiming that Christendom was of the devil and that there was a restoration needed when in reality JESUS himself said that the Gates of hell
would never prevail against his church (the body of believers). So Smith called Jesus a liar. What you and every other Mormon on here needs to do is look into how Smitty came up with the Book of Abraham. Clearly one of the worst events in Mormonism's history was when we found out that the scroll he supposedly "translated" into this book has nothing to do with Abraham at all. Also where are the hebrew manuscripts or any manuscripts for the BOM? There are none. Your very faith falls on lies of JS
And as far as your apology. You owe none of us anything. Our conversation although filled with disagreements is not and has not been about personal attacks. I am not attacking you personally. I'm attacking MORMONISM. I love mormon people. All true Christians love people enough to tell them the truth. What I'm saying to you is truth and I'm telling you that Mormonism and Christianity are not the same based off of who Jesus is to you, the LDS concept of God (and that Kolob thing is truly trippy),
the lds concept of salvation and what the Gospel is (clearly Article 3 of the Mormon faith kicks at salvation by grace through faith ALONE). And also the fact that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. All these things separate you from true Christianity. At best Mormonism is a psuedo Christian cult. I encourage you to get a KJV bible without those JST footnotes or other Mormon footnotes and just read it for yourself. Read the Book of Hebrews. The first 3 verses completely disprove the LDS latter day
prophet thing. Hebrews 1:1-3 . God no longer speaks through a single prophet in these LATTER DAYS. He speaks through His SON. When was the last time any of these people truly Prophesied something? And if so, when has it come to pass? How many prophesies haven't come to pass? Other than when praying and saying "In the name of Jesus", how much do you truly read the Bible and talk about Jesus in ward on Saturday and compare that to how much you all "hail" the prophet JS? Also look at the JST
Joseph Smith Translation. Read that and see how JS added, subtracted, and changed around the words in many places in the book of Revelation. By doing so he truly cursed himself because it clearly states in Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: . You have the right to believe what you wish yet when you call Mormonism Christianity
that we have the same new testament books/epistles that the early church had. By the way. The new testament was written in Greek. The roman empire couldn't surpress true Christians. Jesus said that the gates of hell would never prevail against his church. This means that he would always have a remanant of faithful believers that would be true throughout the ages. Joseph Smith basically called Jesus a liar by saying that the church was completely led astray and there needed to be a restoration.
This was a lie that Joseph told by the inspiration of fallen angels. All cults and false prophets knock at the legitmacy of the Bible. True Christians trust it thoroughly. I tell Mormons this. If the Bible is flawed, throw it in the trash. If it is not legit why carry it? The BOM is seriously flawed though. It kicks at the Bible while at the same time plagarizing whole chapters from it (i.e. Mosiah has huge sections of Isaiah in it). It even mentions coins, animals (like horses), and cities
that are completely nonexistant in the Americas. One animal being the Horse. The horse is an animal that was never native to the Americas. It was brought here. However the BOM mentions that it was here already. The cities of the BOM can't be found. The hill Kumorah where a huge battle supposedly took place is place for sure but they've never found any relics or anything from it. My biggest problem with Mormonism are these. It teaches false Jesus, false doctrines of salvation and false Gospel
I have a problem with the fact that it tries to mask itself as Christianity and tries to blend with denominations when in fact it has always considered Christendom as false. Joseph Smith's first vision (one that he had nine different versions of) shows joseph saying that all Christian churches were not of God and of the Devil. You can try to disagree but all of my info comes from lds.org and other lds sources. Also I live in Salt Lake and I talk to missionaries who confirm what I am telling you
the mormon lady that led you through "scriptures" didn't lead you through the Bible and if so she used mormon slants. I am sincerely interested in hearing the questions you had for her. Many people agree to disagree but that only showed that you didn't look up any of the things I spoke on in my earlier posts. Joseph Smith taught poly theism in the King Follett Discourse and that is completely not Christian. That alone should be enough for anyone to run away from Mormonism. However another
thing he did was completely change, add, and subtract from scripture in the Book of Revelation in his Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. I took a KJV Bible and his JST and read through them both side by side and it was absolutely appalling what he did. Not to mention in the Pearl of Great Price, he wrote the book of Abraham off a parchment of egyptian heiroglyphs that had nothing to do with Abraham. The LDS church owns those but has lied continuously saying it is correct. Sad.
That is why you have to challenge me to read the BOM because you refuse to see the Bible. The BOM actually has alot of Biblical scripture in it because Smith plagarized the Bible and put it in the BOM. However the D and C and the BOM actually contradict each other. The BOM and the King Follet discourse of J. Smith also contradict. The BOM says that God has always been God, just as the Bible states. However the KFdiscourse preached by Smith says that this is not true. What do you go by?
At best though, the BOM is a great book of fiction. Mormonism was not, is not, and never will be Bible Believing Christianity. Even the 3rd article of Faith of the LDS church is in direct conflict with the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can go on and on but I don't want this to be a bashing thing. I want you to read this and ask yourself questions. The first being if you really know all that you believe as a Mormon. Feel free to respond. I love mormons. I don't love mormonism. :)
>:( fuck you i get a shotgun and shoot you 5 times cut you up into into tiny pieces put you in a shredder feed it to my dog take the shit and piss on it and bag it up throw it in the garbage satanist piece of garbage
How can you not like Glenn Beck? Like I do...not. The man is the silver tongued devil. He was Rachel Maddow's radio inspiration b4 he had to sign all the non-disclosure agreements with the RNC. I used to listen to Jay Diamond in NYC when he was a conservative shill & then switching rolls to become a liberal shill. It was all an act. He was always whoring for the market b/c that's what you have to do, create/ Mfg false controversy & make up your own info when necessary. That's PR & that's Beck
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. -George Bernard Shaw
Beck is no Mormon. He is a member of the Mormon Church. They've helped him deal w/ his personal demons, but his philosophical & theological understanding is out beyond the confusions & limits Mormonism.
@monty287: No doubt he would, & yet his assertion would be objectively false. I assume you're Mormon. According to the Mormon cosmology; is God, the God of our world, our creator? No. The Mormon teaching is that God did not create the universe, matter is eternal. Our local deity, for this world, merely organised the matter for our world & to bring us into being. This is NOT creation. Also, our god is not eternal, yet Beck speaks of God being eternal & our creator. Ergo, not (truly) Mormon.
@VictorLepanto Again, you're wrong. Creation does not imply something from nothing. It's like an artist creating a painting. The materials are already there. The artist took the materials and organised them on the pallet. It's the same with the creation. God the Eternal Father created order out of chaos. This is something you would realize if you read the creation story from the Hebrew accounts. The LDS Church does teach that God is our creator.
@monty287: They might use the word but they do NOT understand the concept. Organising is NOT creating, it is shaping. An artist can shape an image out of clay, but he did not create the clay. For the Jews, God is the source of ALL being. There was NOTHING before Him. He is absolutely UNCHANGING. a god, who was once an man is not eternal. Not in the proper sense, w/o beginning or end. The Bible says there was "NONE" before Him. This is opposite to Mormonism.
You know what I tire of? People who use diversion to legitimize their opinion. Instead of "I disagree with Glenn's opinion on X" it's "geez Glenn Beck is boring..." or some other equally uninteresting and irrelevent argument about their perception of his character. This is why the country is toast. Everyone's attacking each other personally and avoiding the important issues. Glenn might be a dummy, but if you're avoiding the issues altogether, you're no Einstein either.
not true, im a Mormon and i'm a very happy person =) thank you very much. I <3 Glenn Beck!! He's an amazing example of a person who got his life turned around :)
@SuperKay93 Wow, that's neat. But having lived around your fellow believers for 28 years tells me different. They are regular people. Not any happier or sadder than anywhere else I've been. Also, please explain why happy Utah leads the nation in anti-depressant use.
@ofcourseofcourseofco Not all mormons are happier than everyone else in the world. But if they were diligent in following the teachings of the gospel, they would be.
"I believe I've been stopped by God...my whole life." If only, Glen. If only. If God was real and cared about humanity, he would have let you drink yourself to death years ago.
Jesus Christ he is boring as shit. This is the fundamental difference between guys like Glen Bleck and Jon Stewart. Glen thinks he's funny but he wouldn't know humor if he converted to Comedyism. You can't be something you're not and the right wing douche bags don't know funny and funny is what makes people real. Glen just wants ppl to like him because he's always been a loser and he converted to crazyism and mormo bc of the control it affords him. He got rich pretending to cry every week.
@wideawakeinotown: Your vituperative comment regarding Mormonism is just dripping with irony (see if you can find it). For some reason, the many anti-Mormon comments in the thread reflect just such "hatred and bigotry" while at the same time displaying the vacuous intellectual ground from which they are regurgitated.
@moneyquickeasy: Ha! made me laugh (your comment was almost as full of meaning as those using words like "cult," "crap," "sh**", etc.). Was it the suggestion of vacuous intellectual comments or regurgitating from emotion that bugged you (I'll let you decide where your own comment best fits)? I take it you prefer words of the four letter variety (or maybe five, if you count money).
Of course Glenn Beck is a Mormon. I'm surprised he's not a Scientologist. Having watched his show, it's clear that he espouses bat-shit theories. Mormonism, started by a known con artist and pervert, is the perfect religion for this fat fucking piece of shit.
Glenn Beck is an agent of Satan. So is Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. They are all mouthpieces set in place to continue the domination of the wealthiest people over the masses. Also, LSU would kill BYU in football and John Paul II would have beat the shit out of that Smith character.
i actually admire many mormons. this guy is not one of them. IMHO, it would be adventageous to the mormon faith to distance themselves from this idiot
I think that if you live in an ethnically diverse nation with a troubled racial history and large indicators suggestion misappropriation of power/resources vrs. population makeup, and all you attract are members of the one ethnic group with the strongest history of oppressing other ethnic groups freedoms, advancements and concerns, then yes, maybe your message should be looked at with a little more scrutiny. Ethnic diversity is an American truth and a universal truth. All else is suspect.
Look, we live in an ethnically diverse WORLD, with a troubled racial history. Ethnic diversity is a biological truth, not a universal one. Unless you are using ethnic and cultural synonymously, which I don't think would be accurate. Culture is behavioral, and therefore adoptable. Ethnicity is congenital. The desire for power is a human characteristic, not a racial one. Race is just an excuse to grab power, not a cause.
I'm down, but none of what you say has anything to do with why it might not be sociologically interesting that there's nothing but white people in that audience. Granted, this is probably Utah, but in general, TV demographics suggest GB's audience is predominantly Anglo American. That's who his message speaks to the most. He simply doesn't seem to attract an ethnically diverse audience. Considering his political and religious views I, personally, think that's very interesting.
I guess I'm wondering why it even needs to be framed in a context of ethnicity. What does ethnicity have to do with the concepts and principles of freedom and self-reliance? (I'm sort of combining his political and religious messages here, though I really shouldn't.) Does a black man wish any less for freedom than a white man? Is he any less willing or capable of self-governance BECAUSE he's black? That's an appalling notion, as well as offensive and inaccurate. Truth applies regardless of race.
That notion IS appalling, and is not what I said at all. Ethnicity has nothing to do with "the concepts and principles of freedom and self-reliance" but it certainly seems to have to do with the way Glenn Beck uses these concepts to frame his personal politics and, in this instance, his faith, because nobody seems to be paying any attention to him but white people. And I don't think the idea that Glenn Beck is the final word in "freedom and self-reliance" would pass the LSAT logic test. Sorry.
No, he's certainly not. LOL Though concepts of greatness very seldom find perfect messengers, so it's encumbent upon us to evaluate the message for whatever truth, even if we have to disregard the messenger. Could you give me an example of how you see ethnicity being relevant to his framing, aside from the demographic of the audience in the video?
I believe that the population at large, not the core audience, but the actual majority, find his politics riddled with hyperbole, showmanship and outright deceit. He is perceived as fringe, conspiratorial and ridiculous. Statements like calling the president racist, exposes him as the real perpetrator of racially motivated politics and that attracts a certain kind of white audience and repels everyone else. Whether you be black or white, racial division politics rarely work in the modern world.
Interesting! It's funny how differently people see things, isn't it? Myself, I think the actual majority finds some element of truth in what he says, and it either makes them angry and they reject the entire message, or they want to see what else this guy has. I'd also like to ask why it's so impossible for the president ot have racist motives? Is he not human? Flawed? And I think we're seeing that racial division politics work extremely well in the modern world, if the goal is division.
"This president... has a deep-seated hatred for white people. This guy is, I believe, a racist." - Glenn Beck. Obama employs an ethnically diverse staff, gave a noted race relations speech, wrote two books on his life that showed no signs of racism and had the most diverse coalition of supporters in election history. Beck has, virtually, an all white audience. My original statement was that Beck's "truth" speaks to white conservatives only. This is not an opinion. The data bares it out.
The Politics of hate. Glenn Beck Quotes. ""The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming.
Okay, but there is a problem with context here. With the Katrina thing, he was complaining about the news media, not assasinating the characters of the victims of a natural disaster. And he was right. The only people the news media was showing and talking about were the people who were looting and killing, not the people who were handling it with dignity and grace and fortitude. That was a valid complaint.
As for the 9/11 families, that was said YEARS after the fact, and he's sick of them because they make noise when they want more money than the billions they've already been given. It's a disgrace to the memories of their loved ones and they should be ashamed of themselves.
The fire one, he said it was unfortunate that these people were losing their homes. How he chose to identify them was insensitive, most definitely, but not hate filled.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion that Mr. Obama shows no signs of racism in his books. It was very carefully phrased, I'll grant you, but it was most definitely there. Bush also had an ethnically diverse staff, but no one hesitated to call him racist. I'll agree that Beck's 'truth' speaks primarily to conservatives, but I don't accept the racial qualifier. Principles are independent of race.
We obviously disagree politically, which is healthy for Democracy. I'm not here to have a political discussion but to address a simple fact. Glenn Beck almost exclusively attracts white audiences. You say principles are independent of race, you say you don't accept the racial qualifier, yet GB's principles don't cross ethnic lines. You never address why people of color are not buying into GB's message, you just reiterate that you don't accept it, or that it doesn't matter.
Well, maybe I should clarify what I hear when he speaks. I hear him talk about God-given freedoms that are being eroded. I hear him talk about the right to self-governance that our Constitution made very clear and that our current system is destroying(both parties), and I hear him demanding that people from both parties be held accountable for their part in it. That's what I hear. And those are principles that I don't believe are limited by race. That's all I'm saying.
You completely avoided my question again. Here's the equation. You say GB stands for the above principles. You say these principles are not limited by race. Yet GB's message does not cross ethnic divides. There's a logic disconnect here. Unless there is some flaw in GB's message, something that a certain kind of white culture perceives as truth but the rest do not, then why does GB only attract a white audience? It's a simple question.
It's a good question. You're going to call my answer bigoted and I don't know how to change that, other than to say I'm not, which is just more words. But I think the other ethnicities just must not understand what they're hearing. I know that sounds condescending. Sorry. But I don't know how anyone can hear a message of freedom and hear hate instead. Either they don't understand the principles or they have trained themselves to be offended if the message isn't packaged just so.
Thank you for your answer. And yes, that is condescending. How can you be sure you're not the one trained to be offended if the message isn't packaged just so? Maybe you need a fake-crying, turtle-boiling, apocalyptic "doom-room" "radio clown". Perhaps you need someone who criticizes Wall Street, yet defends bonuses to AIG, or denounces conspiracies against FEMA but warns against indoctrination of children by AmeriCorps. Perhaps yours is the very attitude chasing a more diverse audience away.
Maybe, but this where we agree to disagree. I can understand condemning the pervasive lack of honor in Wall street culture while defending a company's decision to to fulfill an obligation to a legal contract. I understand being leery of a call to government service from a president who believes in massive government expansion. I like GB's message (though his style is...odd), because he doesn't pretend that just because this is America we can't and aren't losing our freedom.
And that's what you believe, that's fine. I was just reversing the roles. Being as condescending to you as you were being to the others who are "trained". And that gets at the heart of it. A systemic believe that you are smarter or better or know the truth in a way that millions of well-educated, ethnically and religiously diverse, well-read people don't. And let me also guess that you are a white conservative. Now... having said all of that, I reiterate... "Look at all those white people."
LOL!!! Man, I totally blew this one, didn't I?! I wound up saying exactly what I DON'T believe. (shakes head in chagrin) Well argued, my friend. Thanks for letting me debate with you so I could think this through and better crystalize my thoughts.
Don't be too hard on yourself, I sorta debated you into a corner. But I do think the ethnic diversity question is important to politics. I find it dishonest to say race doesn't matter. I am weary of any commentator or politician that attracts a single ethnic demographic, black, white or other. They tend to foster (intentionally or not) separation over unification. Thanks for playing with me. I hope you and yours are well over the holidays. Peace.
It isn't race or the color of the skin in and of itself that causes the any separation of views, but the culture of that race DOES play a major factor in how things are viewed. It isn't a question of race, it's a question of culture.
Fine. Ok. Yes. But it doesn't really change my point. Except to point out that I was using a generalization (saying "white people" - race - instead of "white American conservatives" - a culture) for comedic effect. Though culture and race are deeply integrated in this country. For instance the culture of American conservativism is only 2% black. Conservatives, like people on the left, are a political culture, often, not always, being born into their belief structure, but race still plays a part.
Let me see if I understand your point. From what I've read so far I understand that you believe that there must be something wrong with Glenn Beck's message because it doesn't appear to cross ethic lines. Since it doesn't appear to cross ethic lines then it is a message of separation, instead of unification. Am I right so far?
I've been involved in this for 6 days with Blazing Goddess. I mean no disrespect, but I was glad when the two of us wrapped up amicably as the reductive nature of a youtube comments conversation on such a complex subject was driving me crazy. I'm sure you have totally appropriate comments and points to make. I liked your above post a lot. But I'd like to be done here. If you really want, I can answer your question, but there is a sense of finality to the conversation for me. Is that cool?
haha.... Understood. I also appreciate the respect you've shown to those who disagree. Such character is quite admirable. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
Honestly, that's my whole goal in life, to show that differing socio/religious/political opinions discussed openly, rationally, with a minimum of hyperbole and with respect is absolutely necessary for a thriving democracy. I hate ankle biters on both sides of the debate. Thanks for giving me a free pass, I'm sure you would've wiped the floor with me. Perhaps another time! Peace out!
i agree with you there, but he didn't fall off the deep end until this year. I know plenty of Mormons who don't go nuts, but the religion has so many holes in it you have to be pretty glazed over about reality to consciously choose to join.
I guess the point I was trying to make is not to judge a whole group based off of the nuttiness of one member. I mean people are nuts to join scientology, but Tom Cruise being nuts isn't 100% scientology's fault, just like mormonism isn't the only issue that Glenn Beck has contributing to his psychosis.
that though you may not find understanding, you find tolerance for those with faith different from your own. We are all in this together, and the only way anything will get better is together. Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. I pray peace finds each of us in our time.
leeannambassi 5 months ago
before you made hateful judgemental comments based on YOUR own interpretation of a faith it is very obvious you have little knowledge of. I know and work with many different people. I am a christian and believe that it is not for me to determine what is wrong or right with someone elses faith. I live my own life the best way I can and treat others with respect just as I would have them give me. Love one another as I have loved you ring a bell? I will leave you with this one and pray
leeannambassi 5 months ago
catholics? He provides revelation for his people as the "mouthpiece" of god. Third and Probably my favorite reference of yours is the Revelation 22:18 reference. Perhaps YOU should pick up a bible and go to Deuteronomy 4:2, or better yet Proverbs 30:6 both are in the OLD testament which suggests anything from the NEW testament is an addition worthy of the plagues as well. The last thing I want to touch on is shame on you for speaking on behalf of all "christians". You didn't get MY permission
leeannambassi 5 months ago
Let me provide you with some facts as your comments seem to be hatred biased rants with a scripture reference here and there. To start out wards are the area you live in, sacrament is the name of an LDS service. Second mormons rotate through each book in scripture (old testament, new testament, and Book of Mormon) most LDS people are VERY well versed in ALL scriptures. Second, the lds faith is not the only people who believe in present day prophets. What purpose do you think the pope has for the
leeannambassi 5 months ago
you must understand that it is not the same at all. And because of that true Christians are going to always ALWAYS stand up and tell you why mormonism is not Christianity at all. Your priesthoods are defunct and obsolete according to Hebrews chapters 7-10. Jesus is our High Priest. Your ordinances are defunct. Jesus fulfilled the old testament law because we couldnt. Your works based faith is contrary to the Bible. Your God is not the God of the Bible and the BOM is not another testament.
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
I do apologize to anyone on here that is Christian (all week long), for my dialog with KakkoiGuy1, I don't mean to bash any religion or be offensive.
Sparrow1347 8 months ago
Bomb that place! Quick!
MrxChow 10 months ago
Mormonism is NOT Christianity. Never has been. Never will be.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 The Jews told Christ he had it wrong too, so I am in pretty good company as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints..
bomac10000 10 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 My guess is that you have never actually been to a LDS Church on Sunday and nor have you ever read the Book of Mormon. Before You say something about a religion you know nothing about, I would ask you to read the Book of Mormon and pray about it.
Sparrow1347 9 months ago
@Sparrow1347 Well, that's what happens when someone "guesses". It's the same as assuming. YES. I have been to an LDS WARD on Sunday. Yes, I HAVE READ your book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and even your Journal of Discourses which are a compilation of sermons from all your prophets up until about thirty or 40 years ago. And to top it off, I live here in downtown Salt Lake City. :) Not bad huh? The Mormon Jesus, Salvation, an Gospel are different from the Biblical
KakkoiGuy1 9 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 This is just were we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that the church is true, I grew up in a Jewish house hold, and I can tell you that not having answers to pivotal questions in you faith really bites. I asked my Rabbi a question and he could give me an answer, so I went to a pastor in a local church and he couldn't answer my question either. Then I asked a member of the LDS church, not only did she answer my question she showed me where to find it in the scriptures.
Sparrow1347 8 months ago
@Sparrow1347 I grew up in a household that was steeped in freemasonry. So I can understand what you mean. However, truth of the matter is this...Mormonism will never be true Bible believing Christianity. If I were a satanist and told you I was Jewish and though I said things that were similar, other things that we should agree on as Jews were far off you'd say I wasn't Jewish because I didn't adhere to the fundamental teachings of Judism. It's the same with Mormonism and Christianity. I bet
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Again, I would like to agree to disagree.The first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity put a group of spiritual leaders together and said compile all of the important books together and get rid of everything else. This is where the Roman Catholic bible came from and all of the translations to different languages from the original have add more to the book and taken away much. I read the Holy Bible in Hebrew not in English to cut down on mistranslated issues.
Sparrow1347 8 months ago
@Sparrow1347 Well my friend. 1 I'm not roman catholic. I'm not protestant. I'm a bible believing Christian. BIBLE ONLY believing Christian. I defend the bible like mormons defend the book of mormon. However the difference is this. The old testament we have now is the same old testament we had 1000's of years ago. How do I know this. Well, the dead sea scrolls were found and prove that. As for the new testament, we have over 4000 manuscripts that date back to the first century that prove
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Actually that is not completely correct. The old testament has more too it, and the English version is full of mistranslated information. The new testament was actually not all written in the same language. I am not trying to disprove Christianity however they people that are Christian (or at least all the ones I have seen) are only really Christian on Sunday, and the rest of the week they are anything but Christ like. I know that we are all human and we all make mistakes but really?
Sparrow1347 8 months ago
@Sparrow1347 Actually it is true. There are even secular scriptual anualist that will attest to what I'm saying. This is one of the main problems Christians have with Mormons. You claim to be Christian but very scriptures that Christians trust and believe in, you don't consider trustworthy. This is blasphemous. You sit there and say this but at the same time the evidence for the Bible is irrefutable. It's trustworthy, historically, achaeologically, and prophetically. The cities and coins and
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
battles mentioned in it have been proven to have happened. It's as sound as sound can be. If you don't trust it, throw it out. I would if I believed it was flawed or tampered with. I've done extensive research to disprove the Bible just for the sake of testing it legitamacy and I've found that even extra biblical sources prove it to be true. You can not say the same about the BOM. Even the Smithonian Institute will NOT put a stamp of authenticity on it. It's a fictional book at best. No
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
coins found from it, not cities mentioned in it are found, not archaeologically correct at all, the animals it claims to have been here like horses weren't even native to here. No relics found and not historically nor prophetically correct. You personally don't have to come out and BASH anything. Joseph Smith did it for you in his multiple FIRST visions. Claiming that Christendom was of the devil and that there was a restoration needed when in reality JESUS himself said that the Gates of hell
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
would never prevail against his church (the body of believers). So Smith called Jesus a liar. What you and every other Mormon on here needs to do is look into how Smitty came up with the Book of Abraham. Clearly one of the worst events in Mormonism's history was when we found out that the scroll he supposedly "translated" into this book has nothing to do with Abraham at all. Also where are the hebrew manuscripts or any manuscripts for the BOM? There are none. Your very faith falls on lies of JS
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
And as far as your apology. You owe none of us anything. Our conversation although filled with disagreements is not and has not been about personal attacks. I am not attacking you personally. I'm attacking MORMONISM. I love mormon people. All true Christians love people enough to tell them the truth. What I'm saying to you is truth and I'm telling you that Mormonism and Christianity are not the same based off of who Jesus is to you, the LDS concept of God (and that Kolob thing is truly trippy),
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
the lds concept of salvation and what the Gospel is (clearly Article 3 of the Mormon faith kicks at salvation by grace through faith ALONE). And also the fact that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. All these things separate you from true Christianity. At best Mormonism is a psuedo Christian cult. I encourage you to get a KJV bible without those JST footnotes or other Mormon footnotes and just read it for yourself. Read the Book of Hebrews. The first 3 verses completely disprove the LDS latter day
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
prophet thing. Hebrews 1:1-3 . God no longer speaks through a single prophet in these LATTER DAYS. He speaks through His SON. When was the last time any of these people truly Prophesied something? And if so, when has it come to pass? How many prophesies haven't come to pass? Other than when praying and saying "In the name of Jesus", how much do you truly read the Bible and talk about Jesus in ward on Saturday and compare that to how much you all "hail" the prophet JS? Also look at the JST
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
Joseph Smith Translation. Read that and see how JS added, subtracted, and changed around the words in many places in the book of Revelation. By doing so he truly cursed himself because it clearly states in Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: . You have the right to believe what you wish yet when you call Mormonism Christianity
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
that we have the same new testament books/epistles that the early church had. By the way. The new testament was written in Greek. The roman empire couldn't surpress true Christians. Jesus said that the gates of hell would never prevail against his church. This means that he would always have a remanant of faithful believers that would be true throughout the ages. Joseph Smith basically called Jesus a liar by saying that the church was completely led astray and there needed to be a restoration.
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
This was a lie that Joseph told by the inspiration of fallen angels. All cults and false prophets knock at the legitmacy of the Bible. True Christians trust it thoroughly. I tell Mormons this. If the Bible is flawed, throw it in the trash. If it is not legit why carry it? The BOM is seriously flawed though. It kicks at the Bible while at the same time plagarizing whole chapters from it (i.e. Mosiah has huge sections of Isaiah in it). It even mentions coins, animals (like horses), and cities
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
that are completely nonexistant in the Americas. One animal being the Horse. The horse is an animal that was never native to the Americas. It was brought here. However the BOM mentions that it was here already. The cities of the BOM can't be found. The hill Kumorah where a huge battle supposedly took place is place for sure but they've never found any relics or anything from it. My biggest problem with Mormonism are these. It teaches false Jesus, false doctrines of salvation and false Gospel
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
I have a problem with the fact that it tries to mask itself as Christianity and tries to blend with denominations when in fact it has always considered Christendom as false. Joseph Smith's first vision (one that he had nine different versions of) shows joseph saying that all Christian churches were not of God and of the Devil. You can try to disagree but all of my info comes from lds.org and other lds sources. Also I live in Salt Lake and I talk to missionaries who confirm what I am telling you
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
the mormon lady that led you through "scriptures" didn't lead you through the Bible and if so she used mormon slants. I am sincerely interested in hearing the questions you had for her. Many people agree to disagree but that only showed that you didn't look up any of the things I spoke on in my earlier posts. Joseph Smith taught poly theism in the King Follett Discourse and that is completely not Christian. That alone should be enough for anyone to run away from Mormonism. However another
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
thing he did was completely change, add, and subtract from scripture in the Book of Revelation in his Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. I took a KJV Bible and his JST and read through them both side by side and it was absolutely appalling what he did. Not to mention in the Pearl of Great Price, he wrote the book of Abraham off a parchment of egyptian heiroglyphs that had nothing to do with Abraham. The LDS church owns those but has lied continuously saying it is correct. Sad.
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
That is why you have to challenge me to read the BOM because you refuse to see the Bible. The BOM actually has alot of Biblical scripture in it because Smith plagarized the Bible and put it in the BOM. However the D and C and the BOM actually contradict each other. The BOM and the King Follet discourse of J. Smith also contradict. The BOM says that God has always been God, just as the Bible states. However the KFdiscourse preached by Smith says that this is not true. What do you go by?
KakkoiGuy1 9 months ago
At best though, the BOM is a great book of fiction. Mormonism was not, is not, and never will be Bible Believing Christianity. Even the 3rd article of Faith of the LDS church is in direct conflict with the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can go on and on but I don't want this to be a bashing thing. I want you to read this and ask yourself questions. The first being if you really know all that you believe as a Mormon. Feel free to respond. I love mormons. I don't love mormonism. :)
KakkoiGuy1 9 months ago
>:( fuck you i get a shotgun and shoot you 5 times cut you up into into tiny pieces put you in a shredder feed it to my dog take the shit and piss on it and bag it up throw it in the garbage satanist piece of garbage
mofine4ever 1 year ago
@mofine4ever wow. get a life
guineapiggyman 9 months ago
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
He is so weird
Wolfgangworld 1 year ago
I need to get some place miserable, some place out EAST! HAHA
ELoveSquadUp 1 year ago
@ELoveSquadUp I grew up there, he's right, thats why I went west..
bomac10000 10 months ago
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. -George Bernard Shaw
DestructionPro 1 year ago
Beck is no Mormon. He is a member of the Mormon Church. They've helped him deal w/ his personal demons, but his philosophical & theological understanding is out beyond the confusions & limits Mormonism.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
@VictorLepanto Wrong. If you sit down with him and talk to him, you'll find that it's the other way around and he freely admits that.
monty287 1 year ago
@monty287: No doubt he would, & yet his assertion would be objectively false. I assume you're Mormon. According to the Mormon cosmology; is God, the God of our world, our creator? No. The Mormon teaching is that God did not create the universe, matter is eternal. Our local deity, for this world, merely organised the matter for our world & to bring us into being. This is NOT creation. Also, our god is not eternal, yet Beck speaks of God being eternal & our creator. Ergo, not (truly) Mormon.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
@VictorLepanto Again, you're wrong. Creation does not imply something from nothing. It's like an artist creating a painting. The materials are already there. The artist took the materials and organised them on the pallet. It's the same with the creation. God the Eternal Father created order out of chaos. This is something you would realize if you read the creation story from the Hebrew accounts. The LDS Church does teach that God is our creator.
monty287 1 year ago
@monty287: They might use the word but they do NOT understand the concept. Organising is NOT creating, it is shaping. An artist can shape an image out of clay, but he did not create the clay. For the Jews, God is the source of ALL being. There was NOTHING before Him. He is absolutely UNCHANGING. a god, who was once an man is not eternal. Not in the proper sense, w/o beginning or end. The Bible says there was "NONE" before Him. This is opposite to Mormonism.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
You know what I tire of? People who use diversion to legitimize their opinion. Instead of "I disagree with Glenn's opinion on X" it's "geez Glenn Beck is boring..." or some other equally uninteresting and irrelevent argument about their perception of his character. This is why the country is toast. Everyone's attacking each other personally and avoiding the important issues. Glenn might be a dummy, but if you're avoiding the issues altogether, you're no Einstein either.
surfer53 1 year ago
You heard it here, only Glenn Beck out of the world's billions born and dead knows who God is or how to worship God.
DrBojayHookah 1 year ago
What?! Mormons are not happy people. I live in Utah. Myth. Not happier than anyone else, just don't like booze. Or cigarettes.
ofcourseofcourseofco 1 year ago
@ofcourseofcourseofco
not true, im a Mormon and i'm a very happy person =) thank you very much. I <3 Glenn Beck!! He's an amazing example of a person who got his life turned around :)
SuperKay93 1 year ago 2
@SuperKay93 Wow, that's neat. But having lived around your fellow believers for 28 years tells me different. They are regular people. Not any happier or sadder than anywhere else I've been. Also, please explain why happy Utah leads the nation in anti-depressant use.
ofcourseofcourseofco 1 year ago
@ofcourseofcourseofco Not all mormons are happier than everyone else in the world. But if they were diligent in following the teachings of the gospel, they would be.
Menokokoro 1 year ago
@ofcourseofcourseofco Utah Mormons are almost despised by everyone else in the LDS Church.
monty287 1 year ago
"I believe I've been stopped by God...my whole life." If only, Glen. If only. If God was real and cared about humanity, he would have let you drink yourself to death years ago.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones He said "stalked." I won't bother to comment on the rest of your vitrol.
blooit 1 year ago
@blooit - Ok. Good.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
Jesus Christ he is boring as shit. This is the fundamental difference between guys like Glen Bleck and Jon Stewart. Glen thinks he's funny but he wouldn't know humor if he converted to Comedyism. You can't be something you're not and the right wing douche bags don't know funny and funny is what makes people real. Glen just wants ppl to like him because he's always been a loser and he converted to crazyism and mormo bc of the control it affords him. He got rich pretending to cry every week.
alanshmalan80 1 year ago
Alcoholics Anonymous is a religious cult dressed up to look like a treatment for alcoholism.
12 step programs fail 95% of the time. Don't waste your time... Do your homework before getting involved with AA.
donaldtoddquinn 1 year ago
@wideawakeinotown: Your vituperative comment regarding Mormonism is just dripping with irony (see if you can find it). For some reason, the many anti-Mormon comments in the thread reflect just such "hatred and bigotry" while at the same time displaying the vacuous intellectual ground from which they are regurgitated.
aliunde 1 year ago
@aliunde You are a snob.
moneyquickeasy 1 year ago
@moneyquickeasy: Ha! made me laugh (your comment was almost as full of meaning as those using words like "cult," "crap," "sh**", etc.). Was it the suggestion of vacuous intellectual comments or regurgitating from emotion that bugged you (I'll let you decide where your own comment best fits)? I take it you prefer words of the four letter variety (or maybe five, if you count money).
aliunde 1 year ago
@aliunde Good job, you just proved my point.
moneyquickeasy 1 year ago
it's amazing how much the cult of mormonism is nothing more than a cult of hatred and bigotry. scary how people can actually believe this crap!!
wideawakeinotown 1 year ago
Obviously you know nothing
Spencerg30 1 year ago
going from drug addict to mormon is such a lateral move
tenkins 1 year ago
I wonder if he is wearing his magic underwear
tenkins 1 year ago
Awesome conversion story! I'm so very grateful, blessed, and emotionally happy that I'm in the Church I feel is undoubtedly the only choice for me.
ELoveTheMormonRapper 1 year ago 2
Of course Glenn Beck is a Mormon. I'm surprised he's not a Scientologist. Having watched his show, it's clear that he espouses bat-shit theories. Mormonism, started by a known con artist and pervert, is the perfect religion for this fat fucking piece of shit.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
@dougmanjones Yeah, we feel the love big guy. have a nice day:)
myway43 1 year ago
Yup anyone who disagrees with you, is clearly not mentally stable
Maybe we should just make it a thought crime to disagree with you
LordVigeous666999 1 year ago
Glenn Beck is an agent of Satan. So is Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. They are all mouthpieces set in place to continue the domination of the wealthiest people over the masses. Also, LSU would kill BYU in football and John Paul II would have beat the shit out of that Smith character.
DemCatBo 1 year ago
this was so funny
jonnygotz2343 1 year ago
Would someone find and send me the link for the rest of this story. I have seen it and it is great!
I do not want to read any anti mormon or anti beck crap, so please do not send me anything else.
rltnspd 2 years ago
LUL GLENN BECK EPIC FTL
alexsharpe1 2 years ago
i actually admire many mormons. this guy is not one of them. IMHO, it would be adventageous to the mormon faith to distance themselves from this idiot
lindberghg 2 years ago
you slimy bas!@#$, blame on other people on ur fault and screwed up life.. u can run but can never hide..
u will keep crying and spend ur life like this unless u correct ur ways..
hadjibandit 2 years ago
Look at all those white people.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
...said as though that is something that matters.....
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
I think that if you live in an ethnically diverse nation with a troubled racial history and large indicators suggestion misappropriation of power/resources vrs. population makeup, and all you attract are members of the one ethnic group with the strongest history of oppressing other ethnic groups freedoms, advancements and concerns, then yes, maybe your message should be looked at with a little more scrutiny. Ethnic diversity is an American truth and a universal truth. All else is suspect.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Look, we live in an ethnically diverse WORLD, with a troubled racial history. Ethnic diversity is a biological truth, not a universal one. Unless you are using ethnic and cultural synonymously, which I don't think would be accurate. Culture is behavioral, and therefore adoptable. Ethnicity is congenital. The desire for power is a human characteristic, not a racial one. Race is just an excuse to grab power, not a cause.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
I'm down, but none of what you say has anything to do with why it might not be sociologically interesting that there's nothing but white people in that audience. Granted, this is probably Utah, but in general, TV demographics suggest GB's audience is predominantly Anglo American. That's who his message speaks to the most. He simply doesn't seem to attract an ethnically diverse audience. Considering his political and religious views I, personally, think that's very interesting.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
I guess I'm wondering why it even needs to be framed in a context of ethnicity. What does ethnicity have to do with the concepts and principles of freedom and self-reliance? (I'm sort of combining his political and religious messages here, though I really shouldn't.) Does a black man wish any less for freedom than a white man? Is he any less willing or capable of self-governance BECAUSE he's black? That's an appalling notion, as well as offensive and inaccurate. Truth applies regardless of race.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
That notion IS appalling, and is not what I said at all. Ethnicity has nothing to do with "the concepts and principles of freedom and self-reliance" but it certainly seems to have to do with the way Glenn Beck uses these concepts to frame his personal politics and, in this instance, his faith, because nobody seems to be paying any attention to him but white people. And I don't think the idea that Glenn Beck is the final word in "freedom and self-reliance" would pass the LSAT logic test. Sorry.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
No, he's certainly not. LOL Though concepts of greatness very seldom find perfect messengers, so it's encumbent upon us to evaluate the message for whatever truth, even if we have to disregard the messenger. Could you give me an example of how you see ethnicity being relevant to his framing, aside from the demographic of the audience in the video?
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
I believe that the population at large, not the core audience, but the actual majority, find his politics riddled with hyperbole, showmanship and outright deceit. He is perceived as fringe, conspiratorial and ridiculous. Statements like calling the president racist, exposes him as the real perpetrator of racially motivated politics and that attracts a certain kind of white audience and repels everyone else. Whether you be black or white, racial division politics rarely work in the modern world.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Interesting! It's funny how differently people see things, isn't it? Myself, I think the actual majority finds some element of truth in what he says, and it either makes them angry and they reject the entire message, or they want to see what else this guy has. I'd also like to ask why it's so impossible for the president ot have racist motives? Is he not human? Flawed? And I think we're seeing that racial division politics work extremely well in the modern world, if the goal is division.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
"This president... has a deep-seated hatred for white people. This guy is, I believe, a racist." - Glenn Beck. Obama employs an ethnically diverse staff, gave a noted race relations speech, wrote two books on his life that showed no signs of racism and had the most diverse coalition of supporters in election history. Beck has, virtually, an all white audience. My original statement was that Beck's "truth" speaks to white conservatives only. This is not an opinion. The data bares it out.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
The Politics of hate. Glenn Beck Quotes. ""The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Okay, but there is a problem with context here. With the Katrina thing, he was complaining about the news media, not assasinating the characters of the victims of a natural disaster. And he was right. The only people the news media was showing and talking about were the people who were looting and killing, not the people who were handling it with dignity and grace and fortitude. That was a valid complaint.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
As for the 9/11 families, that was said YEARS after the fact, and he's sick of them because they make noise when they want more money than the billions they've already been given. It's a disgrace to the memories of their loved ones and they should be ashamed of themselves.
The fire one, he said it was unfortunate that these people were losing their homes. How he chose to identify them was insensitive, most definitely, but not hate filled.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
I respectfully disagree with your assertion that Mr. Obama shows no signs of racism in his books. It was very carefully phrased, I'll grant you, but it was most definitely there. Bush also had an ethnically diverse staff, but no one hesitated to call him racist. I'll agree that Beck's 'truth' speaks primarily to conservatives, but I don't accept the racial qualifier. Principles are independent of race.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
We obviously disagree politically, which is healthy for Democracy. I'm not here to have a political discussion but to address a simple fact. Glenn Beck almost exclusively attracts white audiences. You say principles are independent of race, you say you don't accept the racial qualifier, yet GB's principles don't cross ethnic lines. You never address why people of color are not buying into GB's message, you just reiterate that you don't accept it, or that it doesn't matter.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Well, maybe I should clarify what I hear when he speaks. I hear him talk about God-given freedoms that are being eroded. I hear him talk about the right to self-governance that our Constitution made very clear and that our current system is destroying(both parties), and I hear him demanding that people from both parties be held accountable for their part in it. That's what I hear. And those are principles that I don't believe are limited by race. That's all I'm saying.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
You completely avoided my question again. Here's the equation. You say GB stands for the above principles. You say these principles are not limited by race. Yet GB's message does not cross ethnic divides. There's a logic disconnect here. Unless there is some flaw in GB's message, something that a certain kind of white culture perceives as truth but the rest do not, then why does GB only attract a white audience? It's a simple question.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
It's a good question. You're going to call my answer bigoted and I don't know how to change that, other than to say I'm not, which is just more words. But I think the other ethnicities just must not understand what they're hearing. I know that sounds condescending. Sorry. But I don't know how anyone can hear a message of freedom and hear hate instead. Either they don't understand the principles or they have trained themselves to be offended if the message isn't packaged just so.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
Thank you for your answer. And yes, that is condescending. How can you be sure you're not the one trained to be offended if the message isn't packaged just so? Maybe you need a fake-crying, turtle-boiling, apocalyptic "doom-room" "radio clown". Perhaps you need someone who criticizes Wall Street, yet defends bonuses to AIG, or denounces conspiracies against FEMA but warns against indoctrination of children by AmeriCorps. Perhaps yours is the very attitude chasing a more diverse audience away.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Maybe, but this where we agree to disagree. I can understand condemning the pervasive lack of honor in Wall street culture while defending a company's decision to to fulfill an obligation to a legal contract. I understand being leery of a call to government service from a president who believes in massive government expansion. I like GB's message (though his style is...odd), because he doesn't pretend that just because this is America we can't and aren't losing our freedom.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
And that's what you believe, that's fine. I was just reversing the roles. Being as condescending to you as you were being to the others who are "trained". And that gets at the heart of it. A systemic believe that you are smarter or better or know the truth in a way that millions of well-educated, ethnically and religiously diverse, well-read people don't. And let me also guess that you are a white conservative. Now... having said all of that, I reiterate... "Look at all those white people."
Machinesamba 2 years ago
LOL!!! Man, I totally blew this one, didn't I?! I wound up saying exactly what I DON'T believe. (shakes head in chagrin) Well argued, my friend. Thanks for letting me debate with you so I could think this through and better crystalize my thoughts.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
Don't be too hard on yourself, I sorta debated you into a corner. But I do think the ethnic diversity question is important to politics. I find it dishonest to say race doesn't matter. I am weary of any commentator or politician that attracts a single ethnic demographic, black, white or other. They tend to foster (intentionally or not) separation over unification. Thanks for playing with me. I hope you and yours are well over the holidays. Peace.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
It isn't race or the color of the skin in and of itself that causes the any separation of views, but the culture of that race DOES play a major factor in how things are viewed. It isn't a question of race, it's a question of culture.
puretexan86 2 years ago
Fine. Ok. Yes. But it doesn't really change my point. Except to point out that I was using a generalization (saying "white people" - race - instead of "white American conservatives" - a culture) for comedic effect. Though culture and race are deeply integrated in this country. For instance the culture of American conservativism is only 2% black. Conservatives, like people on the left, are a political culture, often, not always, being born into their belief structure, but race still plays a part.
Machinesamba 2 years ago
Let me see if I understand your point. From what I've read so far I understand that you believe that there must be something wrong with Glenn Beck's message because it doesn't appear to cross ethic lines. Since it doesn't appear to cross ethic lines then it is a message of separation, instead of unification. Am I right so far?
puretexan86 2 years ago
I've been involved in this for 6 days with Blazing Goddess. I mean no disrespect, but I was glad when the two of us wrapped up amicably as the reductive nature of a youtube comments conversation on such a complex subject was driving me crazy. I'm sure you have totally appropriate comments and points to make. I liked your above post a lot. But I'd like to be done here. If you really want, I can answer your question, but there is a sense of finality to the conversation for me. Is that cool?
Machinesamba 2 years ago
haha.... Understood. I also appreciate the respect you've shown to those who disagree. Such character is quite admirable. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
puretexan86 2 years ago
Honestly, that's my whole goal in life, to show that differing socio/religious/political opinions discussed openly, rationally, with a minimum of hyperbole and with respect is absolutely necessary for a thriving democracy. I hate ankle biters on both sides of the debate. Thanks for giving me a free pass, I'm sure you would've wiped the floor with me. Perhaps another time! Peace out!
Machinesamba 2 years ago
...and this was the beginning of Glenn's insanity.
1140Cecile 2 years ago
nah his insanity mostly happened this year, he's been mormon for a long time.
enigmatically 2 years ago
Well, you've got to be at least a little insane to become a Mormon.
1140Cecile 2 years ago 2
i agree with you there, but he didn't fall off the deep end until this year. I know plenty of Mormons who don't go nuts, but the religion has so many holes in it you have to be pretty glazed over about reality to consciously choose to join.
enigmatically 2 years ago
I guess the point I was trying to make is not to judge a whole group based off of the nuttiness of one member. I mean people are nuts to join scientology, but Tom Cruise being nuts isn't 100% scientology's fault, just like mormonism isn't the only issue that Glenn Beck has contributing to his psychosis.
enigmatically 2 years ago
Which holes would those be? Out of curiosity.
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
Only if you live in Utah. The rest of are reasonably sane. LOL
BlazingGoddess 2 years ago
that thing in the middle throws me off
omiolo 2 years ago