Even the greatest fighters catch an unlucky blow from time to time, Machidas just happen to all hit in the last 1.5 years, but his record is still 17-3 with a unique style, props = due.
Wait a second this is fake, Karate can't be good... TRUST me guys, I have no formal training in any martial art system, but I've been watching UFC in my mom's basement since UFC 1, and let me tell you alittle bit of what I know. Karate is gay. It never works, it's got weak kicks compared to MuayThai, it's just a bad style.I know a 12 year old boxer who can beat any Karate guy,Lyoto is fake, this could never happen. A style that's been around hundreds of years and used in Militarys doesn't work
@ChamorruWarrior LOL @ you living in your mums basement. and btw that is the dumbest post ive ever read. ever heard of semmy schilt? one of the top 3 k1 fighters of all time. or andy hug? one of the most gifted devastating kickers ive ever seen. both karate fighters who excelled in fighting other stand up disciplines.
@ballinlough12345 that sarcasm was pretty obvious dude lol just sayin'. also i wonder where that whole dart-in dart-out style originated? is that purely a Karate thing or just Lyoto's natural variation of Karate; because i've done the same thing since before i saw Lyoto, and i have no Karate training!
@ChamorruWarrior and to say a 12 year old boxer could beat any karatake is the most retarded statment of all the dumb shit you said. matt skelton got destroyed by sam greco and thats just one of many many examples. keep watching ufc in your mums basement and pretend you know shit you know completely nothing about.dumbass
xD DUDE! I'm totally joking haha I do Shaolin Kempo which is a mix of Okinawan Karate, Kung fu and Jujitsu. I LOVE Lyoto Machida because he showed the world what Karate can do. I am 19 and I am currently in college studying Business so I can open my own Shaolin Kempo school. I was being totally sarcastic but it's kinda hard to know that on your part cause it's just text lol But hey, good job defending Lyoto and Karate! haha
honestly, Machida is one of the my favorite fighters, but i have to admit, I'm also a huge Jon Jones fan. The truth is that Jones dominates, Machida survives. Machida has had some spectacular finishes, but come on...Jon Jones is just a different breed of fighter.
@ballinlough12345 did you forget that they both weigh the same? even though jones is taller? what does that mean? this means that machida has more mass on his body compared to jones because he's shorter..there wasn't a BIG size difference..the only difference is that jones is taller, which isn't prohibited in the ufc..just face it, machida lost because jones is BETTER! your idol is NOT the best. he was put to sleep probably for the first time in his life! face it!
@Internetkiddy No not really he's wrestling is good not all that great. He does so much damage again cause of his fukin 80 something inch reach not because of how great his wrestling is
all you haters are PATHETIC, you're all still bitching about the fight and try to search for excuses..pathetic as shit you are! just deal with the fact that jones finished your favorite fighter and will finish his next opponent even though you wish he'll lose. however, you know deep inside that jones is gonna win cause he's just too good..stop hating idiots
@everio17 yes, HANDLED him! have you ever seen anyone choke machida out? and the way he choked him out? have you ever seen machida going to sleep in a fight? name one fighter who did that to machida or who could do it...stop hating, the fact is that 2 judges scored the 1st round for jones and he finished machida in the 2nd, and it wasn't even that much of a struggle..how many punches did machida land? it was ONE solid punch ONLY..and did you forget jones' left that dropped machida? -.-
@MrMazter99 Sonnen is a bitch! How can u ground and pound an opponent for the entire match and yet still fail to finish them off? Answer: U don't have any real power. He should have beat Silva after throwing all the shit he had at him, but he couldn't. Sonnen doesn't want any more Silva! LOL!
@ballinlough12345 i've got respect for both jones and machida, but let's be realistic: machida is gonna get destroyed, he's gonna get his worst ass whooping if the fight goes over 1 round..jones is a whole different kind of fighter from all the fighters we've seen in the ufc so far, his athleticism, physique, creativity and mental toughness are too much to handle for every single fighter in the division, jones finished all his opponents with ease and so he'll finish machida..feel sorry for him..
@ballinlough12345 you still wanna requote my message? pretty much the exact opposite happened, bro. i expected nothing less. your hero went to sleep today. he went to sleep real deep! and when machida fell down, man that must've hurt! ;)
jokes aside, i hope from now on you'll show jones a little more respect because of how he handled machida. ;)
@Internetkiddy ya respect to jones for using his SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT frame to choke out the smaller fighter. lmao machida looked like a mw next to jones.
@Internetkiddy Handled him? I would agree with you if that was true. But jones was being beat standing up. None of his amazing kicks landed at all. Even when he had machida on the ground he stood back up.
@CaesarThaApeGod Lol why you lying? He got leg kicked ONCE. All of jones strikes missed. Machida got in three barrages of strikes and jones never responded to them,just backed up. Even when he tried to knee him and spinning back elbow, jones mucked both of those attempts.
@everio17 "Backed Up", That's what Machida was doing most of the fight, backing up and dancing around like Michael Jackson haha
Machida did his usual Karate pointscoring tactic and won the 1st round Woow, What happened the second round ?! Machida's luck ran out and he got OWNED like the rest 8)
@CaesarThaApeGod Lol dah`? backing up is a good tactic if you arent attacking but countering....especially if the opponents friggin 10 inch reach advantage...dummy hahaha you crack me up.
He nearly killed Machida yes Machida was doing very well in the first round, however Jones adapted (like many said he could never do) and he finished off Machida. When have you ever seen Machida beat like that? Give the man his credit.
@everio17 I love Machida but he got rocked with Jones' left that's why he got put to sleep in the 2nd round. That says a lot about Jones in my opinion. Come on the guy who was his toughest fight got rocked n then put to sleep in the 2nd round n that's his toughest fight so far? That's just insane
@Internetkiddy Are you Are you sure you have seen the fight right? Because from what I saw Jones Machida has dominated throughout the first round, after the elbow has started to falter. I respect Jones as a fighter but not as a person, the initial scene of the first round was ridiculous. The way I see it from a martial artist, fighting against Machida is an honor and not an opportunity. Jones can beat those who want but he will never be a champion. Sorry for bad english (google translator).
@sebaale91 How do u not respect Jones as a person if u never met him before. He even said it himself that he had so much respect for Machida. N who gives a fuck about the 1st round because last time i checked a championship fight is FIVE rounds n Machida got rocked by Jones' left hand before he got put to sleep in the SECOND round.
@sensfan10000 Machida has been training since he was literally four yrs old. Jones has been training mma literally for four yrs n Machida still got rocked by Jones' left before he got put to sleep. Come on man give Jones some credit. The toughest guy he fought was a guy he rocked then put to sleep in the 2nd round. N if u think he should move up to HW that's fine but what about Anderson who fights at MW which is really thin in competition n he walks around at 220
@sensfan10000 How did Jones get picked apart? Just because he lost the 1st round? Last time i checked a championship fight was FIVE rounds n Machida got rocked by Jones' left hand before getting put to sleep in the SECOND round
@Bones87ish First of all, Jones landed that punch after he opened up that nasty cut via ground and pound...im think but too lazy to go back n check..2nd of all if Machida has been training his whole life, why the fuck would i be giving Jones credit as opposed to Machida? He had to work hard, where as Jones has an insane reach and he can beat a lot of guys on size alone. Nothin but love for Jones though, im a huge fan of his i just think Machida is the better kickboxer.
@sensfan10000 Machida is a better kicker but kickboxing in general are two different things. Jones actually throws spinning back elbows, teeps to the face body n knees, n flying knees. Jones doesn't beat guys on his size alone cause if size had n e thing to do with the way a man fights then Kendal Grove who fought as a MW would be a champion in the UFC right now. Jones is just skill plain n simple. N it doesn't matter if Machida got cut what does that have to do with him getting rocked?
@Bones87ish You gotta admit after that elbow, Machida didnt look the same. Kendall Grove doesnt have any reach hes just tall... he is completely irrelevant to this conversation, look at the stats for yourself.. Jones has the longest reach in the UFC....you cant even compare the 2. And ya Machida is the better kickboxer he countered one of Jones kicks with a punch plus he landed a solid body kick. Jones looked all over the place with his spinning back kicks.
@sensfan10000 Yeah Machida did land some good shots but that's just a credit to Jones' durability because he still kept his cool. N even if the elbow did have something to do with it which i highly doubt it. Jones was the one who cut him. Machida didn't get cut in training or n e thing so that's irrelevant as well
@Bones87ish Ya i was just saying that cause the elbow was a strike thrown on the ground...what i was trying to get at was if the fight stayed on the feet, Machida would have won; the punch Jones landed in the standup was to a seriously wounded Machida, as a result of ground and pound and not sheer standup.
@sensfan10000 Look i love Machida i have nothing but respect for him i really do but with that said the only reason why Jones got Machida to the ground in the 1st place was because he stunned him with a right cross. Watch the fight again. U could clearly see Lyoto step off balance after that punch landed n then after Jones took him down n cut him with the elbow
@sensfan10000 I think so too. Don't get me wrong man like i said i really like Machida. I hated to see him get KO'd by Shogun but hey man that's the way it is sometimes n even though we both agree that Machida was getting the better of Jones in the stand up department he ended up getting caught. If it was a K1 fight hey who knows but in mma takedowns n submissions come into play
@Bones87ish Ya i wanna see Machida in K1 just because he comes from that Karate backround...its so unorthodox....i think he would give a lot of kickboxers a hard time
@sensfan10000 That would be cool but before that happens i wanna see Machida n Shogun 3. In my opinion i think he could take him if they fight again but then again that's just my opinion
@Bones87ish agreed, machida-shogun 3 is the fight i want most now. i dont think shogun could handle the machida who came to fight jones with 2 unbroken hands
Machida will be back don't you worry. Fighters aren't invincible; any fighter can beat another fighter on any given day. Its only a matter of time until Jones' luck runs out.
LMAO boy was he wrong. Jones nearly killed Machida. LOL at him saying Machida is too small, they wouldn't be in the same weight division if Machida was too small smh.
@ballinlough12345 come on...just because Jones beat Machida doesn't mean you have to take away his credit. Everyone knows that Jones is a monster. Everyone also knows that Machida is a master at his craft as well. No one disrespects Machida, i sure as hell don't. He is one of my favorite fighters, but give credit where it is due. Jones got Machida, whether or not he got lucky it doesn't matter, he still won.
@ballinlough12345 So is Anderson. He walks around at 220 but unlike Jones he's been in the UFC since 06. Jones has only been training mma for four years man
@Internetkiddy that is an understatement the only reason jones won that fight is because he got lucky with the one punch that rocked machida that is is
Jones' style is very similar to Anderson Silva's who Lyoto trains with regularly at Blackhouse in Brasil. I think Lyoto will outstrike him and win via KO in round 2
I'm sorry but to say "Jones beat Jackson therefore can beat machida" is the most retarded claim in the world... all fighters match ups are unique, there wouldn't be much point having any fights after claiming the belt if we all followed this stupid logic.
Machida doesn't have any skills he just has good reflexes. Without his good reflexes he'd get squashed like a little rat. See how stupid you are? Actually, I highly doubt it as someone as stupid as yourself cannot recognize just how dumb they are.
Honestly though, no. Just so you know, reflexes are a skill. Natural yes, but people like Machida have the best reflexes. Reach is something monkeys, apes, and other types of mammals are born with.
nice video man but ummm ur fking delusional. the 2 guys that machida LOST to recently, jones BEAT THEM BOTH WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT! stop ur fking preaching jesus christ, i cant stand people like u who cant see things for what they really are. so ignorant.
@siefer13 machida beat rampage, if you think otherwise your fucking blind. he lost to shogun when his fucking arm was broken. did you see how tired jones was coming out to the 3rd round with shogun? he was gassed as fuck, i wouldnt call that without breaking a sweat. jones is good but not as good as you and dana fucking white think he is. his hype train is coming crashing to an end in 2months, DUMBASS
@ballinlough12345 - Agreed. I think if there is a person that can beat Jones it would be Lyoto. He brings a whole different and strange ball game to the park. PS. Even rampage said there must be a rematch. He also think Lyoto won.
@ballinlough12345 Whether he's being hyped up or not, he's still beating ranked top contenders. And I'd hardly say Jones was GASSED after the figt with Shogun, but I guess if you spend 3 rounds utter dominating someone and beating the shit out of them relentlessly, I guess you'd sweat too..... JBJ by knockout. Machida won't be able to counter punch because he won't be able to reach him.
@ballinlough12345 rampage beat machida and YOURE fuckin blind 4 not seeing that.i mean honestly when that fight ended did u really think machida would get the decision.
@LilBlitz116 well cosidering rampage done nohing in round 1 except get leg kicked and landed 0 strikes and then got his shit pushed in in round 3 ya i did think lyoto was gonna get the decision just like rampage himself tought he lost and pretty much every mma fighter who saw the fight. shut the fuck up you dumb cunt
You don't go undefeated in the ufc with no skills. In a sport like mma with so many technical disciplines, it's literally impossible to amass a record like jones has if you have no skill.
Jones has a ton of skill. Every professional athelete is superior in different ways. Some have longer reach than others, others have quicker reflexes, others are naturally stronger. I don't believe one skill set is what automaticly sets a fighter apart. At the end of the day it comes down to do you have talent and the mentality to use it.
MMa is such a varied sport with plenty of tehnique that you simply cannot just win based on physique alone.
@ballinlough12345 people on us tend to overrate his champions. they are even comparing jones to silva and thats just feel wrong. Is like when people where really thinking that brock lesnar could beat fedor just because lesnar beat US idols like carwin, mir, couture. Still i hate rampage and i hope jones beat hims.
@Elementertainment lol are you realy considering 2011 rampage a threath. machida would have taken him out in a 5 round fight too. lyoto knows better than anyone how a good winning streak can come to an end, jones will go into this fight cocky as usual and machida will dominate the distance and pace of this fight. machida will exploit his inexperience and take back his belt in empahatic fashion.
@ballinlough12345 you're way too delusional, i guess you're a long time machida fan who was hyped to see the supposed "machida-era", which never came. instead, a young, confident fighter named jon jones came along and ran through the lhw division like it's nothing. i know machida is good and he's your hero but there is always someone better and at this point it's jon jones. you have to deal with the jones era, no one is stopping him, jones will dismantle machida, BRO!
He fights people in a weight class beneath his own, his reach advantage is unfair and to the point that he needs no skills. Everyone touts him around like he has good striking just because his striking is working on good strikers. No one understands that it works because of his reach advantage, not his skills.
If Jon Jones EVER goes up to HW he is going to be RAPED. He has no skill, no talent, he doesn't fight people his own size. He is an egocentric coward.
Look at your screename. It makes it nearly impossible to take anything you say seriously because it is all biased. You are the worst of human because you don't have the ability to reason. In order to be able to reason you have to have an open mind. Without this you are basically a mindless, worthless robot just repeating ideologies of hate. The sad thing is the people you focus so much on hating are more human and civilized than you will ever be. You are a wild beast
You're not right. Claiming that a person that's basically undefeated in 15 fights and is doing so in the biggest organization in his sport and in one of the most competitive weight classes has no skill is stupid.
Number one, let me clarify what I mean here, Jon Jones has way less skill than he is accredited. When I said he had "no skill" it was a hyperbole. I explained myself clearly as to why this was and still is my observation.
Number two, in your first comment you hadn't attempted to refute or even engauge any of my points. And I don't respond to logical fallacies, like the one you presented.
Number three, You were making assumptions and hating on MYSELF.
Ok, so now it is a hyperbole? Sounds to me like you're backpeddling. Your explanation was full of bias and bs. Why would I attempy to refute something that is baseless? You are a joke. Kill yourself.
I present points, you present logical fallacies. Jon Jones does in fact have a larger reach than everyone in the entire UFC. This gives him an extreme advantage, he is fighting at LHW as well, meaning the average reach is even smaller than that of HW fighters. His coach breaks his young workable mind down and builds it back up each fight, the data is erased to make way for the new game plan. This is not a fighter, this is a remotely controlled human.
I present fallacies? You're the one trying to twist facts into opinions. Just because he has the largest reach doesn't mean that he has no skills as you claimed.
Yes, your first response was full of ad hominem fallacies. The fact that he has that massive reach DOES MAKE HIS FIGHTS EASIER. This is undisputable. If he moved up to heavyweight he'd be fighting people his own size and he would get knocked out. This is an educated opinion.
It was necessary because your screename points to the fact that your views are so limited that having a discussion with you is useless because you don't have the ability to reason. You are so blinded with hate that you use anything to try to perpetrate your hate. You said it yourself... you were using a "hyperbole" Your entire thought process is based on exaggerations. That's why I can't take you seriously.
You have no points and keep backpeddling. I think you nailed the hammer on the head with hyperbole. You over exaggerating the affect that his reach has on his fights. Sure, it's nice to have a good reach but if you don't know what you're doing or aren't a top level striker you can't expect to go in there against top level strikers and do well.
You're trying to diminish the skill involved in fighting. But how can I blame you? You're obviously not bright.
Not only are you continuing with the ad hominems, but now you start in with the straw men.
I am not back peddling at all, The hyperbolye was "he has no skill". Most people have skills with something, making sandwiches, riding bicycles...To say jones has no skill is a hyperbole because he does have "SOME" but it is mostly grappling. His reach allows him to SUCK in the standup with success. All he knows is how to use his reach against people who are smaller than him.
Let me repost your comment to you since you don't seem to comprehend
" his reach advantage is unfair and to the point that he needs no skills. Everyone touts him around like he has good striking just because his striking is working on good strikers. No one understands that it works because of his reach advantage, not his skills."
How is this a hyperbole at all? You clearly state that you believe he doesn't use skill but only his arms
I'm done wasting my time with you, man. I'll just leave it at that. Anyone that believes all you need is a set of long arms to outstrike people that have been training striking arts for years is someone that doesn't deserve to be spoken to. The fact that you honestly believe that, even after all these replies we've made to each other shows that you aren't very bright.
LoL, It's a combination of his arms and his coach. He doesn't know what to do with his body, his coach just implants the motions into his subconcious via repetitious drills. The only reason he wins is people freeze infront of him, and don't pursue. In HW he would be clobbered because he'd get bum rushed by hw strikes to the dome.
lol for real dude? In order to be good at anything, especially as good as Jones is at mma, you've gotta have some natural abilities in it. Jones has been fighting and wrestling longer than he has been training with Greg Jackson. So a lot of his natural instincts are still active. Also, Jackson and one of Jones striking coaches Phil Nurse say that they give Jon a lot of freedom in striking. They just work on trying to help strengthen technique. Bones aint a robot lol
He's got wrestling but that's pretty much it. He focuses on the clinch and ground work, but is celebrated for his striking. When you have that kind of reach you can get away with mistakes. A lot of them. He isn't a complete fighter in terms of skill, his reach allows him to not invest as much as others. That is why he's over rated. His skill set is lower but is more successful due to his reach advantage.
Long hands alone don't allow you to evade punishment from highly skilled and highly trained veterans. Fact you continue to try to claim this shows how little you know. You can get away with mistakes? He gets away with mistake because of his positioning and use of it not just cuz his arms are inches longer than others.
You act as if all you need is long set of arms and you can outstrike vets. This is not true. The guy is very skilled striking. He's just good at defense
I wouldn't call it skillful, I'd call it a genetic happenstance. It's easy to avoid taking shots from someone with much smaller arms than you, and his countering isn't that great either, his foot work is all wrong to create power. He couldn't do to rampage what he did to shogun because of that, and yes he got a choke but rampage is like MMA's black guy that everyone laughs at for being retarded and shogun is a blockheaded brazillian broken down by a lifetime of competition.
I disagree. It's definetly not easy at all. If it's easy, would you agree then that you could take a guy off the street with the same reach as jon jones and with no mma training and it would be easy for him to avoid Shogun and Rampages strikes? No you wouldn't or I'd have to believe you're even more of a hater and idiot than I think.
Skill is involved. And it takes a high level of skill to master the movements, timing and strategy to avoid strikes like Jones has done.
Bones does need work with boxing and footwork, I agree, but his style isn't really a countering style. His style is more to strike first in order to control and dictate the timing and range. Rampage is like the guy that hasn't been submitted but once prior to Jones in his MMA career, and Shogun is like the guy that said he was in the best shape of his life prior to his fight with Jones and is also the guy that was the Light Heavyweight Champ. Nice try, chump.
It's easy to strike first with A MASSIVE REACH. Kazushi Sakuraba RNC'd rampage in pride. Shogun doesn't know what he is even saying, holding his words against him is like putting a waterheaded 11 year old on the stand in a court proceeding. Truth of the matter is shogun had ring rust and everyone saw it. You're the fucking chump for idolizing some bitch with an advantage over everyone in his weight class like a pussy. What happened to the minowaman spirit?
@MongoloidNigger there's a post on the sherdog BB from Rua's manager saying they make 0 excuses for that loss, and that jones was simply better. Sounds like a credible source to me.
It was a poor style match for Rua anyway, his TDD is poor. machida has better TDD, rampage has very good tdd and was giving jones some difficulty taking him down.
reach/size doesn't always matter, it's that jones knows how to use it and had an excellent gameplan.. It didn't help Forrest any.
@MongoloidNigger struve has a large reach, is 6'11 and got KTFOed a few times by far shorter opponents with a long reach disadvantage. why isn't he getting away with his mistakes, and not jones?
@MongoloidNigger he doesn't fight in a weight class beneath his own. He weighs in at 205. Forrest, Davis are huge are you also upset with them? yes, a lot of his standup is dependent on reach, but reach/size means nothing unless you know how to use it, and it's not the be-all factor in fighting..Otherwise struve, carwin, lesnar, or forrest would have never lost. Until someone can deal with his reach advantage, you Jones haters will have to keep on sobbing. perhaps machida can do it?
I'm saying he is a wrestler and that is it. He was taught how to use his reach against people which is easy to learn and use, especially when you have an 84 inch reach and a wrestling background. He's nothing more than a wrestler with pathetically over rated striking. Everyone is acting like the movements he makes are difficult or something.
@MongoloidNigger Lesnar has a long reach and wrestling. He's been training as long as Jones. How come he is considered to have poor striking, and Jones isn't? if Jones had no striking or submissions he would have been KOed or tapped out many fights ago.
Yeah, his striking is def over-praised, and yeah, the comparisons to Silva are a bit far, but it's not like spinning back-elbows or back-kicks are easy to land..yet he does.
@GribMurder Lesnar is a totally different fighter, he wants it on the ground every moment of the fight. Jones likes to dance around and impose his circle and get away with distance covering techniques like the jab and low kicks. Herp Derp all you want spinning back elbows are fucking EASY to land ESPECIALLY with a reach advantage like that. Back kicks are different but the back elbows are stupid easy and only impress people because of the way it appears.
Yeah, all you need is long arms to be a champion in the ufc. Why don't we pull guys off the street with long arms and throw them in the cage. They should do well because it doesn't take skills just a set of long arms, right?
@Smileyfacedkiller Correct, have you seen him on the ground? He's an loller. You can tell without reach he'd be squashed like a little rat. He does all these moves out of the blue (because he doesn't know when or how to set them up) strictly because of the fact that he has that reach advantage.
Take a look at his name, Jon "Brown Bones" Jones. Nothing but bones and reach. ;)
It's all good, man. You guys are funny. Thinking that all you need is reach and you can be a champion in the most competitive league in a sport that requires a lot of technique.
It's obvious you guys know nothing about fighting. And how is he an loller on the ground? What the hell does that even mean? How can you tell? Are you psychic? Saying he'd get squashed like a rat without his reach has no basis to it and is just wishful thinking on your part.
Even the greatest fighters catch an unlucky blow from time to time, Machidas just happen to all hit in the last 1.5 years, but his record is still 17-3 with a unique style, props = due.
Helikaon9 1 day ago
Wait a second this is fake, Karate can't be good... TRUST me guys, I have no formal training in any martial art system, but I've been watching UFC in my mom's basement since UFC 1, and let me tell you alittle bit of what I know. Karate is gay. It never works, it's got weak kicks compared to MuayThai, it's just a bad style.I know a 12 year old boxer who can beat any Karate guy,Lyoto is fake, this could never happen. A style that's been around hundreds of years and used in Militarys doesn't work
ChamorruWarrior 4 days ago
@ChamorruWarrior LOL @ you living in your mums basement. and btw that is the dumbest post ive ever read. ever heard of semmy schilt? one of the top 3 k1 fighters of all time. or andy hug? one of the most gifted devastating kickers ive ever seen. both karate fighters who excelled in fighting other stand up disciplines.
ballinlough12345 4 days ago
@ballinlough12345 that sarcasm was pretty obvious dude lol just sayin'. also i wonder where that whole dart-in dart-out style originated? is that purely a Karate thing or just Lyoto's natural variation of Karate; because i've done the same thing since before i saw Lyoto, and i have no Karate training!
Helikaon9 1 day ago
@ChamorruWarrior and to say a 12 year old boxer could beat any karatake is the most retarded statment of all the dumb shit you said. matt skelton got destroyed by sam greco and thats just one of many many examples. keep watching ufc in your mums basement and pretend you know shit you know completely nothing about.dumbass
ballinlough12345 4 days ago
xD DUDE! I'm totally joking haha I do Shaolin Kempo which is a mix of Okinawan Karate, Kung fu and Jujitsu. I LOVE Lyoto Machida because he showed the world what Karate can do. I am 19 and I am currently in college studying Business so I can open my own Shaolin Kempo school. I was being totally sarcastic but it's kinda hard to know that on your part cause it's just text lol But hey, good job defending Lyoto and Karate! haha
ChamorruWarrior 4 days ago
@ChamorruWarrior lol ok bro now that you say it i can see the sarcasm. and i tend to get abit protective of my hero lol
ballinlough12345 3 days ago
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oozrenn 1 day ago
i like turtles
GHSNo34 1 week ago
honestly, Machida is one of the my favorite fighters, but i have to admit, I'm also a huge Jon Jones fan. The truth is that Jones dominates, Machida survives. Machida has had some spectacular finishes, but come on...Jon Jones is just a different breed of fighter.
Hosunlee89 2 weeks ago
大和魂！
hondoshinya 1 month ago
he fights like anderson silva but in a shorter smaller version
middleastboxer21 1 month ago
The Karate kick is still alive 0:23
WEAPONZ3RO 2 months ago
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@ballinlough12345 did you forget that they both weigh the same? even though jones is taller? what does that mean? this means that machida has more mass on his body compared to jones because he's shorter..there wasn't a BIG size difference..the only difference is that jones is taller, which isn't prohibited in the ufc..just face it, machida lost because jones is BETTER! your idol is NOT the best. he was put to sleep probably for the first time in his life! face it!
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
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Internetkiddy 2 months ago
Congratulations to Jones but he didn't wanna strike with Machida so he played it safe and took it to the ground
40s4breakfast 2 months ago 2
@40s4breakfast because this is a part of his versatility, which is the best in the ufc.
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy No not really he's wrestling is good not all that great. He does so much damage again cause of his fukin 80 something inch reach not because of how great his wrestling is
40s4breakfast 2 months ago
@40s4breakfast stop making excuses it's pathetic
Yaterde 2 months ago
Apaga! mais não bate,
um verdadeiro samurai.
mayson187 2 months ago
all you haters are PATHETIC, you're all still bitching about the fight and try to search for excuses..pathetic as shit you are! just deal with the fact that jones finished your favorite fighter and will finish his next opponent even though you wish he'll lose. however, you know deep inside that jones is gonna win cause he's just too good..stop hating idiots
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
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@everio17 yes, HANDLED him! have you ever seen anyone choke machida out? and the way he choked him out? have you ever seen machida going to sleep in a fight? name one fighter who did that to machida or who could do it...stop hating, the fact is that 2 judges scored the 1st round for jones and he finished machida in the 2nd, and it wasn't even that much of a struggle..how many punches did machida land? it was ONE solid punch ONLY..and did you forget jones' left that dropped machida? -.-
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
Who is machida?JON JONES IS THE MAN
alexHiphop4Life 2 months ago
"KARATE BLITZ"
erosener93 2 months ago
UFC need a very good BJJ and Muay Thai Fighter to beat J0nes. Like Anderson Silva
charlieJJful 2 months ago
@charlieJJful Anderson Silva is scared to fight Chael Sonnen...do i need to say more?
MrMazter99 2 months ago
@MrMazter99 Sonnen is a bitch! How can u ground and pound an opponent for the entire match and yet still fail to finish them off? Answer: U don't have any real power. He should have beat Silva after throwing all the shit he had at him, but he couldn't. Sonnen doesn't want any more Silva! LOL!
osensei2987 2 months ago
Jones still does not have the heart and will of Machida :)
AnimeFreakMotz 2 months ago
Your days are numbered, Jones. WAR THE DRAGON!
tememongo 2 months ago
jones in 2nd round tko
cky2kdunn 2 months ago
@ballinlough12345 i've got respect for both jones and machida, but let's be realistic: machida is gonna get destroyed, he's gonna get his worst ass whooping if the fight goes over 1 round..jones is a whole different kind of fighter from all the fighters we've seen in the ufc so far, his athleticism, physique, creativity and mental toughness are too much to handle for every single fighter in the division, jones finished all his opponents with ease and so he'll finish machida..feel sorry for him..
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy i will re quote your message in 6 days when jones is lying in a pool of his own blood
ballinlough12345 2 months ago 11
@ballinlough12345 yeah, tomorrow will prove you wrong..machida's gonna get his ass whooped! remember my words after the tko stoppage!
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@ballinlough12345 you still wanna requote my message? pretty much the exact opposite happened, bro. i expected nothing less. your hero went to sleep today. he went to sleep real deep! and when machida fell down, man that must've hurt! ;)
jokes aside, i hope from now on you'll show jones a little more respect because of how he handled machida. ;)
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy ya respect to jones for using his SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT frame to choke out the smaller fighter. lmao machida looked like a mw next to jones.
ballinlough12345 2 months ago
@ballinlough12345 excuses
JJbones88 2 months ago
@ballinlough12345 exactly, technique wise machida won the fight actually.
MrMazter99 2 months ago
@ballinlough12345 pool of his on blood huh ????
Yaterde 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy Handled him? I would agree with you if that was true. But jones was being beat standing up. None of his amazing kicks landed at all. Even when he had machida on the ground he stood back up.
everio17 2 months ago 13
@everio17 Yeah Machida got HANDLED...He got Leg-kicked, Slammed, Cut up, dropped by punch, literally choked out, and left for dead...
Machida's 2 punches and a Body-kick landed didn't even hurt Jones, he just walked right through them like nothing happened.
CaesarThaApeGod 2 months ago
@CaesarThaApeGod Lol why you lying? He got leg kicked ONCE. All of jones strikes missed. Machida got in three barrages of strikes and jones never responded to them,just backed up. Even when he tried to knee him and spinning back elbow, jones mucked both of those attempts.
everio17 2 months ago
@everio17 "Backed Up", That's what Machida was doing most of the fight, backing up and dancing around like Michael Jackson haha
Machida did his usual Karate pointscoring tactic and won the 1st round Woow, What happened the second round ?! Machida's luck ran out and he got OWNED like the rest 8)
CaesarThaApeGod 2 months ago
@CaesarThaApeGod Lol dah`? backing up is a good tactic if you arent attacking but countering....especially if the opponents friggin 10 inch reach advantage...dummy hahaha you crack me up.
MrMazter99 2 months ago
@MrMazter99 Stop making excuses, reach advantage doesn't mean shit. Machida proved that.
CaesarThaApeGod 2 months ago
@CaesarThaApeGod reach advantage totally is meaningful. Machida only proved that he was able to overcome it.
MrMazter99 2 months ago
@everio17 yeah he handled him. stand up no, once it went to the ground it was over
JJbones88 2 months ago
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Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@everio17
He nearly killed Machida yes Machida was doing very well in the first round, however Jones adapted (like many said he could never do) and he finished off Machida. When have you ever seen Machida beat like that? Give the man his credit.
TheNakkuruzu 1 month ago
@everio17 I love Machida but he got rocked with Jones' left that's why he got put to sleep in the 2nd round. That says a lot about Jones in my opinion. Come on the guy who was his toughest fight got rocked n then put to sleep in the 2nd round n that's his toughest fight so far? That's just insane
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
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r06ramanat 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy Are you Are you sure you have seen the fight right? Because from what I saw Jones Machida has dominated throughout the first round, after the elbow has started to falter. I respect Jones as a fighter but not as a person, the initial scene of the first round was ridiculous. The way I see it from a martial artist, fighting against Machida is an honor and not an opportunity. Jones can beat those who want but he will never be a champion. Sorry for bad english (google translator).
sebaale91 1 month ago
@sebaale91 I mean "Machida dominated Jones", sorry again.
sebaale91 1 month ago
@sebaale91 How do u not respect Jones as a person if u never met him before. He even said it himself that he had so much respect for Machida. N who gives a fuck about the 1st round because last time i checked a championship fight is FIVE rounds n Machida got rocked by Jones' left hand before he got put to sleep in the SECOND round.
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Internetkiddy Jones still got picked apart and Machida made his kickboxing look terrible
sensfan10000 1 month ago 4
@sensfan10000 Machida has been training since he was literally four yrs old. Jones has been training mma literally for four yrs n Machida still got rocked by Jones' left before he got put to sleep. Come on man give Jones some credit. The toughest guy he fought was a guy he rocked then put to sleep in the 2nd round. N if u think he should move up to HW that's fine but what about Anderson who fights at MW which is really thin in competition n he walks around at 220
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@sensfan10000 How did Jones get picked apart? Just because he lost the 1st round? Last time i checked a championship fight was FIVE rounds n Machida got rocked by Jones' left hand before getting put to sleep in the SECOND round
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Bones87ish First of all, Jones landed that punch after he opened up that nasty cut via ground and pound...im think but too lazy to go back n check..2nd of all if Machida has been training his whole life, why the fuck would i be giving Jones credit as opposed to Machida? He had to work hard, where as Jones has an insane reach and he can beat a lot of guys on size alone. Nothin but love for Jones though, im a huge fan of his i just think Machida is the better kickboxer.
sensfan10000 2 weeks ago
@sensfan10000 Machida is a better kicker but kickboxing in general are two different things. Jones actually throws spinning back elbows, teeps to the face body n knees, n flying knees. Jones doesn't beat guys on his size alone cause if size had n e thing to do with the way a man fights then Kendal Grove who fought as a MW would be a champion in the UFC right now. Jones is just skill plain n simple. N it doesn't matter if Machida got cut what does that have to do with him getting rocked?
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Bones87ish You gotta admit after that elbow, Machida didnt look the same. Kendall Grove doesnt have any reach hes just tall... he is completely irrelevant to this conversation, look at the stats for yourself.. Jones has the longest reach in the UFC....you cant even compare the 2. And ya Machida is the better kickboxer he countered one of Jones kicks with a punch plus he landed a solid body kick. Jones looked all over the place with his spinning back kicks.
sensfan10000 2 weeks ago
@sensfan10000 Yeah Machida did land some good shots but that's just a credit to Jones' durability because he still kept his cool. N even if the elbow did have something to do with it which i highly doubt it. Jones was the one who cut him. Machida didn't get cut in training or n e thing so that's irrelevant as well
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Bones87ish Ya i was just saying that cause the elbow was a strike thrown on the ground...what i was trying to get at was if the fight stayed on the feet, Machida would have won; the punch Jones landed in the standup was to a seriously wounded Machida, as a result of ground and pound and not sheer standup.
sensfan10000 2 weeks ago
@sensfan10000 Look i love Machida i have nothing but respect for him i really do but with that said the only reason why Jones got Machida to the ground in the 1st place was because he stunned him with a right cross. Watch the fight again. U could clearly see Lyoto step off balance after that punch landed n then after Jones took him down n cut him with the elbow
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Bones87ish Im gonna take your word for it but Machida still won in the standup
sensfan10000 1 week ago
@sensfan10000 I think so too. Don't get me wrong man like i said i really like Machida. I hated to see him get KO'd by Shogun but hey man that's the way it is sometimes n even though we both agree that Machida was getting the better of Jones in the stand up department he ended up getting caught. If it was a K1 fight hey who knows but in mma takedowns n submissions come into play
Bones87ish 1 week ago
@Bones87ish Ya i wanna see Machida in K1 just because he comes from that Karate backround...its so unorthodox....i think he would give a lot of kickboxers a hard time
sensfan10000 1 week ago
@sensfan10000 That would be cool but before that happens i wanna see Machida n Shogun 3. In my opinion i think he could take him if they fight again but then again that's just my opinion
Bones87ish 1 week ago
@Bones87ish agreed, machida-shogun 3 is the fight i want most now. i dont think shogun could handle the machida who came to fight jones with 2 unbroken hands
ballinlough12345 6 days ago
@Internetkiddy
Machida will be back don't you worry. Fighters aren't invincible; any fighter can beat another fighter on any given day. Its only a matter of time until Jones' luck runs out.
DowellForPASenate 1 month ago
@DowellForPASenate beating bonnar, matyushenko, vera, bader, shogun, rampage & machida is luck. yeah, very logical! stop hating..
Internetkiddy 1 month ago
@Internetkiddy
LMAO boy was he wrong. Jones nearly killed Machida. LOL at him saying Machida is too small, they wouldn't be in the same weight division if Machida was too small smh.
TheNakkuruzu 1 month ago
@TheNakkuruzu 84" reach bro. thats also longer than every heavyweight in the ufc.jones is afraid of his rightfull weight class
ballinlough12345 1 month ago
@ballinlough12345
Just because Jones has a long reach does not mean he belongs in the Heavyweight division. Jones is not afraid and you have no proof to back that up.
TheNakkuruzu 1 month ago
@ballinlough12345 come on...just because Jones beat Machida doesn't mean you have to take away his credit. Everyone knows that Jones is a monster. Everyone also knows that Machida is a master at his craft as well. No one disrespects Machida, i sure as hell don't. He is one of my favorite fighters, but give credit where it is due. Jones got Machida, whether or not he got lucky it doesn't matter, he still won.
Hosunlee89 2 weeks ago
@ballinlough12345 So is Anderson. He walks around at 220 but unlike Jones he's been in the UFC since 06. Jones has only been training mma for four years man
Bones87ish 2 weeks ago
@Internetkiddy well bro machida did great against jones in the first round. so i think you should respect machida a bit more too.
all these guys are great fighters but jon jones is outstandig is creativity is so unique!
StolzerDeutscher1919 2 weeks ago
@ballinlough12345 you were wrong and i wasn't even commenting
Saltwaterowl 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy that is an understatement the only reason jones won that fight is because he got lucky with the one punch that rocked machida that is is
gabeofmburg1997 1 month ago
sweet video
Smileyfacedkiller 3 months ago
If he drinks a lot of pee, he can then use his super power: the pee-breath... Thats the only way I see him winning this fight ...
ArthurGC85 3 months ago
How is Machida gone beat jones when he has a -10" reach disadvantage?
ozpc123 3 months ago
@ozpc123 *facepalm*
ballinlough12345 3 months ago
@ballinlough12345 better luck next time ! lol
ozpc123 1 month ago
@ozpc123 Guess you never fought a fight in your life...
Darthjomo36 2 months ago
@Darthjomo36 unlucky go back to sleep machida lol
ozpc123 1 month ago
@Darthjomo36 no never
ozpc123 1 month ago
@ozpc123 Drop him with a front kick to the face...
SoldierofMusic666 2 months ago
@SoldierofMusic666 unlucky!
ozpc123 1 month ago
Former and Future LHW CHAMPION
OPLYSENVEN 3 months ago
Jones' style is very similar to Anderson Silva's who Lyoto trains with regularly at Blackhouse in Brasil. I think Lyoto will outstrike him and win via KO in round 2
FrankiiXD 3 months ago
RETURN OF THA MOTHA FUCKIN DRAGON BITCHES !!
Arcanex1982 3 months ago
hate this song
V3n0killa 3 months ago
EITA KKKKKKKKKKKK
EU2985 3 months ago
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0511Lucy 4 months ago
This guy right here, he's gonna KO Jon Jones. Sorry Jones fans.
KingDaDude 4 months ago
I'm sorry but to say "Jones beat Jackson therefore can beat machida" is the most retarded claim in the world... all fighters match ups are unique, there wouldn't be much point having any fights after claiming the belt if we all followed this stupid logic.
Addinkuu 4 months ago
whats the name of that song?
1230Mell 4 months ago
@1230Mell
In The House - In a Heartbeat
John Muphy
Nice highlight!
FyodorMMA 3 months ago
MACHIDA MACHIDA MACHIDA!!!! :D
l4zym4lo 4 months ago
As for the comment in my profile, I'd have to say I was thinking the same about you. If you are, then you sure have a brown nose to be one. ;-)
damasteryu 4 months ago
In other words, he's going to find out what real skill is in his next bout.
The one, the true warrior, Machida!
damasteryu 4 months ago
@damasteryu
Machida doesn't have any skills he just has good reflexes. Without his good reflexes he'd get squashed like a little rat. See how stupid you are? Actually, I highly doubt it as someone as stupid as yourself cannot recognize just how dumb they are.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
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damasteryu 4 months ago
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@Smileyfacedkiller Cool story.
Honestly though, no. Just so you know, reflexes are a skill. Natural yes, but people like Machida have the best reflexes. Reach is something monkeys, apes, and other types of mammals are born with.
You mad?
damasteryu 4 months ago
nice video man but ummm ur fking delusional. the 2 guys that machida LOST to recently, jones BEAT THEM BOTH WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT! stop ur fking preaching jesus christ, i cant stand people like u who cant see things for what they really are. so ignorant.
siefer13 4 months ago
@siefer13 machida beat rampage, if you think otherwise your fucking blind. he lost to shogun when his fucking arm was broken. did you see how tired jones was coming out to the 3rd round with shogun? he was gassed as fuck, i wouldnt call that without breaking a sweat. jones is good but not as good as you and dana fucking white think he is. his hype train is coming crashing to an end in 2months, DUMBASS
ballinlough12345 4 months ago 21
@ballinlough12345 how is getting the belt and defending it hype?
some of his opponents, yeah not the best 205ers, but he's made all of his opponents look stupid.
he's never been in trouble, he's obviously very good at his job. I'm a fan of both, but come on. you gotta give credit where it is due.
GribMurder 3 months ago
@ballinlough12345 - Agreed. I think if there is a person that can beat Jones it would be Lyoto. He brings a whole different and strange ball game to the park. PS. Even rampage said there must be a rematch. He also think Lyoto won.
mizmera 3 months ago
@ballinlough12345 Whether he's being hyped up or not, he's still beating ranked top contenders. And I'd hardly say Jones was GASSED after the figt with Shogun, but I guess if you spend 3 rounds utter dominating someone and beating the shit out of them relentlessly, I guess you'd sweat too..... JBJ by knockout. Machida won't be able to counter punch because he won't be able to reach him.
FightrForLife 3 months ago
@ballinlough12345 rampage beat machida and YOURE fuckin blind 4 not seeing that.i mean honestly when that fight ended did u really think machida would get the decision.
LilBlitz116 2 months ago
@LilBlitz116 well cosidering rampage done nohing in round 1 except get leg kicked and landed 0 strikes and then got his shit pushed in in round 3 ya i did think lyoto was gonna get the decision just like rampage himself tought he lost and pretty much every mma fighter who saw the fight. shut the fuck up you dumb cunt
ballinlough12345 2 months ago
@LilBlitz116 Dude fucking everyone with brain cells thought he won the fight, then rampages name got called and the entire arena was like "...what?"
Then twitter was like "...What"
Then Dana was like "He makes us tons of money! of course he won!!!"
jaywray1 2 months ago
@siefer13 u cant look at it that way... silva koed rampage twice, rampage won liddel twice, silva lost to liddel... it really doesnt mean anything
RightOverhand 3 months ago
please let him beat Jones. FFS LET HIM BEAT JONES!!!
MsMarc1234 4 months ago
You don't go undefeated in the ufc with no skills. In a sport like mma with so many technical disciplines, it's literally impossible to amass a record like jones has if you have no skill.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
john murphy - in the house in a heartbeat
Dave31Kid 4 months ago
Ma man to dame fast
micdoses1 4 months ago
Jones has a ton of skill. Every professional athelete is superior in different ways. Some have longer reach than others, others have quicker reflexes, others are naturally stronger. I don't believe one skill set is what automaticly sets a fighter apart. At the end of the day it comes down to do you have talent and the mentality to use it.
MMa is such a varied sport with plenty of tehnique that you simply cannot just win based on physique alone.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
you caught the essence and the ability of Machida in this video. great job.
MACHIDA . WILL . BEAT . JONES .
604gl604 4 months ago
Yakuza assasin...
LIPEmfc 5 months ago
whats the song plz ?
mmelolita94 5 months ago
Machida Vs Evans The REMATCH>>>>>
oOjonathan200 5 months ago
Jon Jones Overrated? My ass
Hernantolio 6 months ago
@Hernantolio who the fuck has he beat besides a ridiculously out of shape shogun,
bader, bonnar? LMAO GTFO
ballinlough12345 6 months ago 5
@ballinlough12345 okay i dont like jones either but shogun and bader are no jokes
ClarkRandomness 5 months ago
@ballinlough12345 people on us tend to overrate his champions. they are even comparing jones to silva and thats just feel wrong. Is like when people where really thinking that brock lesnar could beat fedor just because lesnar beat US idols like carwin, mir, couture. Still i hate rampage and i hope jones beat hims.
Ariel1Dominguez 5 months ago
@ballinlough12345 rampage jackson
OMGHuygens 5 months ago
@ballinlough12345
umm hows about rampage jackson LEL
Elementertainment 4 months ago
@Elementertainment lol are you realy considering 2011 rampage a threath. machida would have taken him out in a 5 round fight too. lyoto knows better than anyone how a good winning streak can come to an end, jones will go into this fight cocky as usual and machida will dominate the distance and pace of this fight. machida will exploit his inexperience and take back his belt in empahatic fashion.
ballinlough12345 4 months ago 9
@ballinlough12345 I doubt machida will beat jones.
enime 3 months ago
@ballinlough12345 you're way too delusional, i guess you're a long time machida fan who was hyped to see the supposed "machida-era", which never came. instead, a young, confident fighter named jon jones came along and ran through the lhw division like it's nothing. i know machida is good and he's your hero but there is always someone better and at this point it's jon jones. you have to deal with the jones era, no one is stopping him, jones will dismantle machida, BRO!
Internetkiddy 2 months ago
@Internetkiddy As harsh as that sounds I have to agree with you 100%. Jones is a whole new breed of fighter.
SheaGrubbs 2 months ago
@Hernantolio Machida is fighting that bambi legged jones at UFC 140 Lyoto is gonna fuck him up.
xXCrusher509Xx 4 months ago
@Hernantolio
He fights people in a weight class beneath his own, his reach advantage is unfair and to the point that he needs no skills. Everyone touts him around like he has good striking just because his striking is working on good strikers. No one understands that it works because of his reach advantage, not his skills.
If Jon Jones EVER goes up to HW he is going to be RAPED. He has no skill, no talent, he doesn't fight people his own size. He is an egocentric coward.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
Look at your screename. It makes it nearly impossible to take anything you say seriously because it is all biased. You are the worst of human because you don't have the ability to reason. In order to be able to reason you have to have an open mind. Without this you are basically a mindless, worthless robot just repeating ideologies of hate. The sad thing is the people you focus so much on hating are more human and civilized than you will ever be. You are a wild beast
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
Umad I'm right.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
You're not right. Claiming that a person that's basically undefeated in 15 fights and is doing so in the biggest organization in his sport and in one of the most competitive weight classes has no skill is stupid.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
Number one, let me clarify what I mean here, Jon Jones has way less skill than he is accredited. When I said he had "no skill" it was a hyperbole. I explained myself clearly as to why this was and still is my observation.
Number two, in your first comment you hadn't attempted to refute or even engauge any of my points. And I don't respond to logical fallacies, like the one you presented.
Number three, You were making assumptions and hating on MYSELF.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
Ok, so now it is a hyperbole? Sounds to me like you're backpeddling. Your explanation was full of bias and bs. Why would I attempy to refute something that is baseless? You are a joke. Kill yourself.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
I present points, you present logical fallacies. Jon Jones does in fact have a larger reach than everyone in the entire UFC. This gives him an extreme advantage, he is fighting at LHW as well, meaning the average reach is even smaller than that of HW fighters. His coach breaks his young workable mind down and builds it back up each fight, the data is erased to make way for the new game plan. This is not a fighter, this is a remotely controlled human.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
I present fallacies? You're the one trying to twist facts into opinions. Just because he has the largest reach doesn't mean that he has no skills as you claimed.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
Yes, your first response was full of ad hominem fallacies. The fact that he has that massive reach DOES MAKE HIS FIGHTS EASIER. This is undisputable. If he moved up to heavyweight he'd be fighting people his own size and he would get knocked out. This is an educated opinion.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
It was necessary because your screename points to the fact that your views are so limited that having a discussion with you is useless because you don't have the ability to reason. You are so blinded with hate that you use anything to try to perpetrate your hate. You said it yourself... you were using a "hyperbole" Your entire thought process is based on exaggerations. That's why I can't take you seriously.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
You have no points and keep backpeddling. I think you nailed the hammer on the head with hyperbole. You over exaggerating the affect that his reach has on his fights. Sure, it's nice to have a good reach but if you don't know what you're doing or aren't a top level striker you can't expect to go in there against top level strikers and do well.
You're trying to diminish the skill involved in fighting. But how can I blame you? You're obviously not bright.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
Not only are you continuing with the ad hominems, but now you start in with the straw men.
I am not back peddling at all, The hyperbolye was "he has no skill". Most people have skills with something, making sandwiches, riding bicycles...To say jones has no skill is a hyperbole because he does have "SOME" but it is mostly grappling. His reach allows him to SUCK in the standup with success. All he knows is how to use his reach against people who are smaller than him.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
Let me repost your comment to you since you don't seem to comprehend
" his reach advantage is unfair and to the point that he needs no skills. Everyone touts him around like he has good striking just because his striking is working on good strikers. No one understands that it works because of his reach advantage, not his skills."
How is this a hyperbole at all? You clearly state that you believe he doesn't use skill but only his arms
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
I'm done wasting my time with you, man. I'll just leave it at that. Anyone that believes all you need is a set of long arms to outstrike people that have been training striking arts for years is someone that doesn't deserve to be spoken to. The fact that you honestly believe that, even after all these replies we've made to each other shows that you aren't very bright.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
LoL, It's a combination of his arms and his coach. He doesn't know what to do with his body, his coach just implants the motions into his subconcious via repetitious drills. The only reason he wins is people freeze infront of him, and don't pursue. In HW he would be clobbered because he'd get bum rushed by hw strikes to the dome.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
lol for real dude? In order to be good at anything, especially as good as Jones is at mma, you've gotta have some natural abilities in it. Jones has been fighting and wrestling longer than he has been training with Greg Jackson. So a lot of his natural instincts are still active. Also, Jackson and one of Jones striking coaches Phil Nurse say that they give Jon a lot of freedom in striking. They just work on trying to help strengthen technique. Bones aint a robot lol
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
He's got wrestling but that's pretty much it. He focuses on the clinch and ground work, but is celebrated for his striking. When you have that kind of reach you can get away with mistakes. A lot of them. He isn't a complete fighter in terms of skill, his reach allows him to not invest as much as others. That is why he's over rated. His skill set is lower but is more successful due to his reach advantage.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
Long hands alone don't allow you to evade punishment from highly skilled and highly trained veterans. Fact you continue to try to claim this shows how little you know. You can get away with mistakes? He gets away with mistake because of his positioning and use of it not just cuz his arms are inches longer than others.
You act as if all you need is long set of arms and you can outstrike vets. This is not true. The guy is very skilled striking. He's just good at defense
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
He needs to sharpen up his offensive striking, but it's hard to deny that he isn't very skilled when it comes to defensive striking and movement.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
I wouldn't call it skillful, I'd call it a genetic happenstance. It's easy to avoid taking shots from someone with much smaller arms than you, and his countering isn't that great either, his foot work is all wrong to create power. He couldn't do to rampage what he did to shogun because of that, and yes he got a choke but rampage is like MMA's black guy that everyone laughs at for being retarded and shogun is a blockheaded brazillian broken down by a lifetime of competition.
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
I disagree. It's definetly not easy at all. If it's easy, would you agree then that you could take a guy off the street with the same reach as jon jones and with no mma training and it would be easy for him to avoid Shogun and Rampages strikes? No you wouldn't or I'd have to believe you're even more of a hater and idiot than I think.
Skill is involved. And it takes a high level of skill to master the movements, timing and strategy to avoid strikes like Jones has done.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger
Bones does need work with boxing and footwork, I agree, but his style isn't really a countering style. His style is more to strike first in order to control and dictate the timing and range. Rampage is like the guy that hasn't been submitted but once prior to Jones in his MMA career, and Shogun is like the guy that said he was in the best shape of his life prior to his fight with Jones and is also the guy that was the Light Heavyweight Champ. Nice try, chump.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller
It's easy to strike first with A MASSIVE REACH. Kazushi Sakuraba RNC'd rampage in pride. Shogun doesn't know what he is even saying, holding his words against him is like putting a waterheaded 11 year old on the stand in a court proceeding. Truth of the matter is shogun had ring rust and everyone saw it. You're the fucking chump for idolizing some bitch with an advantage over everyone in his weight class like a pussy. What happened to the minowaman spirit?
MongoloidNigger 4 months ago
@MongoloidNigger there's a post on the sherdog BB from Rua's manager saying they make 0 excuses for that loss, and that jones was simply better. Sounds like a credible source to me.
It was a poor style match for Rua anyway, his TDD is poor. machida has better TDD, rampage has very good tdd and was giving jones some difficulty taking him down.
reach/size doesn't always matter, it's that jones knows how to use it and had an excellent gameplan.. It didn't help Forrest any.
GribMurder 3 months ago
@MongoloidNigger struve has a large reach, is 6'11 and got KTFOed a few times by far shorter opponents with a long reach disadvantage. why isn't he getting away with his mistakes, and not jones?
GribMurder 3 months ago
@MongoloidNigger he doesn't fight in a weight class beneath his own. He weighs in at 205. Forrest, Davis are huge are you also upset with them? yes, a lot of his standup is dependent on reach, but reach/size means nothing unless you know how to use it, and it's not the be-all factor in fighting..Otherwise struve, carwin, lesnar, or forrest would have never lost. Until someone can deal with his reach advantage, you Jones haters will have to keep on sobbing. perhaps machida can do it?
GribMurder 3 months ago
@GribMurder
I'm saying he is a wrestler and that is it. He was taught how to use his reach against people which is easy to learn and use, especially when you have an 84 inch reach and a wrestling background. He's nothing more than a wrestler with pathetically over rated striking. Everyone is acting like the movements he makes are difficult or something.
MongoloidNigger 3 months ago
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GribMurder 3 months ago
@MongoloidNigger Lesnar has a long reach and wrestling. He's been training as long as Jones. How come he is considered to have poor striking, and Jones isn't? if Jones had no striking or submissions he would have been KOed or tapped out many fights ago.
Yeah, his striking is def over-praised, and yeah, the comparisons to Silva are a bit far, but it's not like spinning back-elbows or back-kicks are easy to land..yet he does.
Well golly, must be his reach, Herp derp
GribMurder 3 months ago
@GribMurder Lesnar is a totally different fighter, he wants it on the ground every moment of the fight. Jones likes to dance around and impose his circle and get away with distance covering techniques like the jab and low kicks. Herp Derp all you want spinning back elbows are fucking EASY to land ESPECIALLY with a reach advantage like that. Back kicks are different but the back elbows are stupid easy and only impress people because of the way it appears.
MongoloidNigger 3 months ago
@Hernantolio Skill? Lol. One word: Reach.
damasteryu 4 months ago
@damasteryu
Yeah, all you need is long arms to be a champion in the ufc. Why don't we pull guys off the street with long arms and throw them in the cage. They should do well because it doesn't take skills just a set of long arms, right?
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
@Smileyfacedkiller Correct, have you seen him on the ground? He's an loller. You can tell without reach he'd be squashed like a little rat. He does all these moves out of the blue (because he doesn't know when or how to set them up) strictly because of the fact that he has that reach advantage.
Take a look at his name, Jon "Brown Bones" Jones. Nothing but bones and reach. ;)
damasteryu 4 months ago
@damasteryu
It's all good, man. You guys are funny. Thinking that all you need is reach and you can be a champion in the most competitive league in a sport that requires a lot of technique.
It's obvious you guys know nothing about fighting. And how is he an loller on the ground? What the hell does that even mean? How can you tell? Are you psychic? Saying he'd get squashed like a rat without his reach has no basis to it and is just wishful thinking on your part.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago