Most of the anti-foxhunting people I know are townies who have no idea of country life yet try and tell those in the country how to live it. And then go home and tuck into a bloody rump steak!
The surprising thing is in England these people are members of parliament, police, judges and others who control aspects of society in England such as estate owners (land given often by Royal consent in the past by robbing the rightful land of the poor). In others words the very people who should set an example to society are the same ones flaunting the law and socially acceptable behaviour.
Now fox-hunting is an illegal activity however these same people continue to flout the law and hunt under local by-laws that have yet to catch up with national lawmaking. These people know what they are doing is illegal, immoral and against social norms as defined by majority opinion. Yet they claim they are superior parts of society and therefore above the day to day moral concerns of the ordinary masses.
In England fox-hunting was a cruel sport mostly carried out by intelligent, professional, wealthy men and women? Yet these same people claimed a right to hunt and destroy a defenceless animal for nothing more than a good time as seeing their hounds rip apart and devour a fox. Even though the majority of English people voted on numerous occasions to ban this sport it took several years of campaigning to get this put into law.
Fox hunting gives an insight into a behaviour that breaks our three measures of social norms, law (hurting a defenceless animal) moral (the taboo on senseless behaviour seen as wrong doing) socially acceptable behaviour, (while everyone might lose their temper and kick their dog, most will feel pangs of guilt and remorse). Here however we meet people who feel no guilt, no remorse and see themselves as exempt from laws they do not agree with.
@birdman3120 U show the problem with people like yourself, a lack of understanding, they are work animals not pets, i.e they need to be kept in line and realize whos the boss, what do you suggesting saying good boy or explaining to the dog what hes doing wrong cause last time i checked they didnt speak english
@kenny01622 Thanks for your incredibly insightful and patronising comment mate. I have a very good understanding of exactly what goes on, but thanks for your concern. I get they are work animals, but they still doesn't justify the lack of remorse for the way they are treated. People training sheepdogs use the carrot method not the stick, they are work animals. By the way, thanks for pointing out dogs don't speak English, that had completely bypassed me in life that little fact(!) :D
@caturn88@caturn88 didnt happen? Fantasy ,dreamed up story? google fox hunter decapitated, first one titled 'Pilot cleared over decapitation of hunt supporter' its on the timesonline site. Think i just proved you wrong, lick it
@caturn88 what the fuck are you on about, i work 5 days a week, i check my email regularly in case theres anything important in it, and when i see one from utube about some stuck up 30 year old twat who doesnt have a job and spends all his time reviewing cameras on his fucking youtube page in his bedroom in his parents house, then yes, i feel inclined to reply.
@arheathen Birdman, you baby, listen yourself. Read what you've written. Its all emotion, no facts, no examination, just raw emotion based on what you think. Just like those silly sabs that get broken limbs and craniums when they run naked with emotion into the countryside.
Your thoughts cheap and plenty, mine are bankable. So is then the assumption than the ill thought out bill, which will be repealed.
You know that the PM sab'ed it himself don't you, feel empty now, I thought so petal.
@caturn88 Seriously , im not ,birdman' seriously . I mite have a new profile but thats cause i never use youtube much and i wanted to watch a video that required me to prove i was over 18, so i made profile to watch said video, im not whoever birdman is, dont quite know how id prove that, but i also dont know why youd think it? my name is ar for animal rights, & heathen because i hate religion,
@arheathen Will you give it up Birdman, honestly you wear your masks in the village and you think that kind of anonymity will work online too. You can't terrorise there or here, your spooked and your politics is just as misguided.
@caturn88 Silly sabs? broken limbs? is that meant to strike a chord ? Yeah sabs get fucked up a bit, but i remember seeing a huntsman get decapitated by sabs in a microlight, in front of his wife no less! HAHAHA what a cunt, i didnt stop laughing all day about that. and it was all the stupid huntsmans fault as well, and there were no charges pressed against the hunt monitors! My thoughts arent cheap actually, i base mine on ethical and moral arguments, yours are based on tradition, you sheep.
@arheathen You've got some imagination Birdbrain, for a start that never happened, so it won't rile me. But if it didn't, which it didn't, you would have cried (and not laughing), if you had of laughed in the village you can have looked forward to a beating to within an inch of your meaningless life. You hear stories or dream them up and regurgitate them, but their all in your fantasy world.
"i base mine on ethical and moral arguments" - so you fuck your sister then, or a sheep, difference?
LOL!!! i apologise for deviating i just couldnt hold back at the mistakes i felt you had made. Please remind me of the main topic so we can carry on, but please dont use phrases such as you breaking my arm or leg, as that is threatening behaviour. Also judging by the look of you ( you look 17 but your age is apparently 30 ) you couldnt break a toe-nail, let alone someones arm, so dont try and sound hard.
@arheathen I personally think he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic. He doesn't even have a job, just spends every waking moment on YouTube starting arguements with people. I feel sorry for him, putting all his emotion and time into worrying about a lost cause. It is really sad, it really is. Expect more blabbering about how we are the same person.
@arheathen Right here your actually talking to yourself. What a fool, simple people you mix with, but your going to have to wake up a bit earlier in the morning to catch me out.
I like colouring things in, expression with colour, nothing wrong with that. But creating a profile on the same day as pretending to roll over and take it up the bum, making a bee line to this video would leave only the most numb headed in the dark.
Birdman, get back to sending people your HIV in the post, scarring old ladies and meddling in rural affairs you only wish you understood.
@caturn88 Why are you still talking to arheathen as though he is me? That account was created 3 weeks before we started this conversation. You are only strengthening the case for your mental illness. HIV in the post? I see you are still living in the 80s, with the belief you can catch it by shaking someone's hand. Scaring old ladies? I mean really, please tell me what you are on about!
@birdman3120 The tactics of the left are extreme; posting blooded syringes through the post of those supplying animals for biochemical testing, which may not be the issue here but certainly in the overall sphere of interest. Don't pretend you haven't thought about it, like digging up the relatives graves of those farmers who they wish to intimidate.
birdman, your a fool!
You've banned yourself from competent arguments, numpty.
@caturn88 When did I say I worked in IT? I own a bar, end of. Sorry you are unemployed, but please stop sponging off the system. Go back to reviewing your phones. By the way your comments have been marked as spam as well. :-D
@birdman3120 Its clear to see so many of your comments have been marked as spam, and not be me! versus only one of mine and from it you can see that its nothing special. You've quite clearly deleted some of your comments, hence no reference to your sprucing of your own feathers.. I've got a job in IT, I've got two Land Rovers... what a daft git you are.
Still at it though with the unfounded accusations about my own affairs, what a joke you are! I've not reviewed one phone, facts, facts, fiction
@caturn88 I deleted some comments due to spelling mistakes, that is all. Unless you want to read double posts.
I'm glad you have finally seen that the other poster isn't me. It took a while, but I suppose someone of low IQ takes longer to understand the obvious.
I've have never condoned the actions of some animal rights protesters doing horrible things such as digging up people's graves. ...
@birdman3120 Ah, back from your double life, rollin the door, what a mess, your all over the place, questions here and there, nothing you write makes any sense, its all over emotional gibberish, just sobbing away now Cleggs left you in the heap. You've got blood your hands and feel too ashamed to admit it, its yours though isn't it because your so drunk you've had an accident.
@birdman3120 You're the one reading double, talking double dutch with your assumed double life, to the family its all 'I'm a professional' but as soon you get into LACS, through the back door there's a group of those overly concerned, too enwrapped with their own selfish emotions in pursuit of wrecking the countryside, destroying people's lives all justified by abuse... its alcohol of course and the misguided doctrine from radicals in LACS, their thugs and bullies to ordinary people
@birdman3120 Reading from a script designed to assume the preacher from a righteous position, but ill informed and blinded pious views to the extreme right of human abuse only justified by the thin thread of recent recognition of the way the biochemical industry treats animals. But the country, their way practiced for hundreds of years is an obstacle to over come and those innocent people in villages are there to be pushed aside for your silly ideals.
@birdman3120 How many times have you gone down in force, with your masks and all your weedy lefties nutter friends, plied with alcohol and the stench of not having washed for days.. how many times have you scared children in their own home and recorded it and played back to yourself thinking you were clever, wrecking defences for foxes could feed on the livelihood of farmers, just so they wouldn't die a natural deal - your meddling with nature! but you don't care, because you don't understand
@birdman3120 Posts I find missing, probably as you've come back from sabotaging homes and schools in villages, blaming the locals and making staged evens seems real in spurious recordings aimed at rolling the blame onto them. Everybody knows what you extremists are like, dressed scruffily and innocent enough in public but with mask of your own dead mother in the basement! Putting it on to scare people, hiding, waiting, destroying everything you don't understand.
@birdman3120 It takes a small person to hide behind a mask, to provoke in number and terrorise gentle folk in the country, far and away from public eyes, then edit what you want others to see. Its you, drunk on power, or what passes for power in the circles you swarm in. Then come the attacks when your away from the country, sending bloodied surgical objets in the post to families, threatening them, pretending you don't know anything about it but back you come to fight time and time again
@caturn88 ... But if you knew anything about the League then you would know that they don't condone those things either. You must surely not condone the violent actions of some pro-hunt supporters. There are extreme minorities on both sides. Anyway where is this story of farmer's graves being dug up?
Many of your comments have been marked as spam on my screen, which I haven't done. ...
@birdman3120 There you go with your double standards, trying to impress with material riches, only to feel the stupidity of the claims.. how many little badgers and squirrels have you run over in your time, turning a blind eye, shying away from your responsibilities because you know your group that terrorises the countryside would have you for break fast.. what's it today, horse poo to the local school addressed to the child of a farmer you don't like. You'd probably do the same to your own!
@birdman3120 Everybody knows the alternative measures condoned by LACS, the methods used to intimidate have gotten you this far, but the spirit of the countryside is far from broken, far from even being dented.
Involving the church and other weak types who are easily led, you band together a group of people (mostly young and insecure) to rage against something you don't understand, like a dog barking at the letterbox, it can't comprehend what its for, even when repeatedly shown.
@birdman3120 It is my assessment that Bible bashing lefties such as yourself have come to the conclusion that reincarnation will have you returned as an animal, one which will suffer in some form, most notably by the perfume companies which you choose in order to smell a certain way (but you conveniently turn a blind eye to that), because of the complete hash you've made in this life the only way is down, that's the overriding concern here - for yourself, all lefties are secretly selfish
@birdman3120 Only one of my comments up unto the point of mentioning it for myself were deemed to be spam, where as many of your had been removed to cover your tracks (two Land Rovers and a career you could only dream of not looking good to your scruffy mates) and profiles you make up to help divert attention from yourself... all to obvious, the desperate slippery arms of a drowning fool who cannot fight their corner with facts... fox hunting has been and will be British to the core!
@birdman3120 Thinking back the days when mummy wouldn't buy you a pony, hated those who had them, never forgiven that have you, left yourself a little unprotected there. You can't really expect anybody to believe you've got the best intentions of LACS in your sights, its all about you and your grudges from your youth.
Mentalists riddle the left camp with their grudges against those who just get on with living, you'd be far more concerned with stopping that - fat chance!
@birdman3120 Primark, that's how you bolster Britain's economy isn't it, not local, not Savile Row, or another local tailor, no, its all the money to the skills of those abroad. I don't think you've got the stomach to know how things are really made, how the sartorial industry really works... cringing at another tradition of Guards hats bade from bear coats.. do get a life! This is the world and it will never change!
@birdman3120 A suit to you has no purpose, your diary only willed with late night raids on farmers and incognito meetings with other mentalist supporters of the sabbing act (when your not too busy sponging off the NHS - its your own fault, guilt does that to a person, it drives them to drink). It'll be the same around this Christmas won't it, but the support you have is now weakened, not like in 2004/5, no its 2010 and things are tight...
@birdman3120 ..but you'll find a way to get back at those girls who had horses when you didn't, rail at those who have events to attend worth suiting up for, families to enjoy the time of year with. Well go ahead, you'll be trailing in the mud and cold, not riding on a warm beast enjoying the hunt as much as their masters... don't you see how out of place you look.
The only thing worse than that are the monitors, utilising feeble technology which is dismissed in court time and time again
@caturn88 ... What is this about no references to sprucing up my own feathers? Are you saying you are in IT and own two Land Rovers?
I would like to say pot calling the kettle black on me commenting on your own affairs with unfounded accusations. What about calling me a Christian extremist, saying I would dig up someone's grave, accusing me (bizarely) of sending people HIV, saying I drive a Land Rover, saying I work in IT, ...
@birdman3120 Ah yes, you can't leave this argument, lost long ago it sticks with you, every waking hour of every day... your there, in your place of work as your own best customer, shooting your your own liver to pieces - but its okay, tax payers will pick up the bill, you'll get seen to via the NHS, you lefties like to use everything even when you don't need to. Depriving a human of liver, well not like its an animal, the take precedence over humans don't they, according to some
@birdman3120 Facts out the window for people like you, muddled thoughts prevail in the mind of the unsound and influenced, influenced by propaganda from far left (which is worse that far right) and secret meetings between hardline activists, anarchists!
Plotting against the young generation, in and out of the country, punishing those who don't appeal to your way of backward thinking and others who will never get a chance to enjoy the country, its your aim, regardless of the facts you ignore
@birdman3120 By day its thug and evangelist for the unwashed, by night its down he bar, plotting with the other pigs. Twisting the facts of the countryside, peddling propaganda which MPs feel obliged to support when they themselves know nothing of the country... violence and terror are your stock and trade, you know I think I've seen you o heard you, the same phrases from your lips probably landed a perfectly normal campaigner in trouble, your there in the shadows at a distance...
@birdman3120 fact and fiction its all the same for, once your done with it, what the public realise now is the absurdity of your arguments, traditions swept aside from a campaign of hard left tactics to confuse people. But that was just the people, not those informed and in power, the lead man Tony Blair admitting freely to using your own tactics against you and "sabotaging" the bill so that you only thought you'd won
@birdman3120 Police know who many of you lot are, but not you, little frail old you from the Helen Weeks appreciation society. She's an irritant but you want to model yourself on the more proactive anarchist sect, a keyboard you've realised is not enough.
Its all too easy to slip on a mask, rally others and take to the hunt with no other thoughts but to ruin the fun and livelihood of those practicing what they've been doing for generation.
@caturn88 ... saying I support Clegg, saying I don't live in a village, saying I'm not British, saying I will never be able to afford a fine cut suit. Take a look at yourself in the mirror before criticising others. You have no foundation for any of those comments.
"I'll most likely never hear from the other person again because you lost their password!" That was probably your best quote, funny because you did hear back from him. ...
@birdman3120 Password recovery saved your bacon, I bet you've got it safe now, for when the attack is too hot on one account its so easy to slip into a new identity of another when online, or to slip another activists mask on to terrorise someone else and blame it on a colleague.. You vermin forfeit your own.
It'll be a dreadful time to campaign that way now, the Conservatives have dried up your avenues to the Police, people turn a blind eye when you lot are in town.
@birdman3120 Cuts deep when you see your glorious leader Clegg leave you like lumps from the back of a horse. Four years of him, how's he going to defend the ban, well, he can't but that doesn't matter because the ban is waived now, that's why you and you unwashed lackey band of troglodytes are going to make a bigger effort to terrorise - it'll be double thickness masks this year and the next, until the ban is repealed and then you'll see the true supporters on your side and a resurgence in ours
@birdman3120 All facts are facts of life, life lived and lost. You lost yours, your bitter, your life is only half of someones who truly grabs theirs, like those of the hunt: Those with a zest for life, they don't drown their sorrows, they fight and win and you'll see that with a clear repeal when the country votes the Conservatives in hard and good.
Who do you fancy now ahy, Miliband, good lucky with that lispy good for nothing!
@birdman3120 Each generation must have been the same as this, those in your linage before you aiming to defy those in the countryside, its been a constant battle. A little shrine in your room is reserved for all the failed soldiers who never made a difference, you can count yourself in that, you can toast to it, go on pickle yourself!
@birdman3120 Its takes a Land Rover driving double standard type to not notice what goes on a ground level, instead of opening your eyes you narrow them to the ways of life, to blinker your entire existence instead of letting the light shine in and show you how the countryside works you study the narrow minded propaganda from those which probably know the truth - this fight is lost - but have gotten in too deep, and you know this is going to be you in years to come and it hits hard doesn't it.
@birdman3120 So your high powered job as an IT executive's let you down, you can't prove it, you can delete the claim but they remain. Think harder next time before entering combat with one you cannot win against - the countryside! the real people of Britain, the winners of life and guardians from those who wish to destroy it!!
The fox hunting ban was sabotaged, you pretend it wasn't, you can only wring your fists - but you voted Blair in, like Clegg and he's doing the dirty on you.
@caturn88 Wow, you really don't have a life do you? You have to be the biggest troll I have ever come across. You don't listen to anything I say and just come back with more unfounded accusations about me and my personal life. Did you realise that you just filled up over two pages of comments? Are you really that sad? There is no point writing all that because I am too busy to read all of it.
@birdman3120 One of four comments, you love to think anybody cares. You could fit everything you wrote in two comments, but your brain doesn't work like that, come to think of it neither does your liver. So, a person with half a brain, well that makes sense.
Driven over any badger today in your BIG Land Rover, like a big shot, who isn't! Had a swift one before you got be hind the wheel ahy?
No fox is safe with you on the road, just avoid school okay, do the next generation that much.
@caturn88 Liver? I assume you are talking about my health. It's funny that I even provide you with ammo to troll with and you can't get it right! It's my kidneys, but nice try. :-D Still banging on about the Land Rover I don't own that you dreamt up? I have friends who are farmers who are against it. So another fail for you. Calling me a spastic? That's three references to my health including the comment about the hospital. You are getting desperate. You just keep repeating the same insults!
@birdman3120 The rate you knock it back your Livery doesn't stand a chance, I bet you've have a few today already. Student sympathiser, railing at the telly, you lefties will never understand.
Farmers know what side their breads buttered, when it comes down to it, they show their support in droves, the whole countryside's against the ban. They can always tell an outsider, rolling up in your Land Rover, playing the pretend local, no wonder you've got it all wrong.
@caturn88 I'm an alcoholic now? :-D I see your still banging on about my imaginary Land Rover. I drive a BMW and an Alfa Romeo. Any other things you are going to invent? You are really mentally retarded aren't you? The other person's account was created WEEKS BEFORE we started talking. How can you not understand that?
@birdman3120 You should've read what I wrote, instead little sleepy head drunk forgot the gas was on. Of course your an alcoholic, you kidneys and liver playing up, drink driving, squashing perishable badgers in a hit and run so your mentalist friends (busy at the protests yesterday) won't do you in.
Oh so its not a Land Rover now little miss big shot, now its an Alpha and an Beamer, oh my are you in a little awful suburban/city bubble, your desperate to just fit in.
@birdman3120 Another wasted comment just to get the numbers up, slurring your words, can't focus on the keyboard, completely off topic - yep its the drunk anarchist who face masks it round the village frightening locals. Don't worry the Conservatives are in now, as you can see you jelly lefties are going to feel it now when your mucking about wasting people's time.
You'll be a regular at hospital oh yes. Ban the ban and lilly kidney jelly lefties!
@birdman3120 I think your vision is suffering from your drink habit, its all falling to pieces. I mostly reply directly to you, Birdbrain, you read them because the email wings its way to your second imaginary life account.
See that vote yesterday, common sense won out, even the Lib Dems were convinced. The way forward for the country is here, the next election will have a full Conservative majority and then all the problems of the countryside will be over.
@birdman3120 Oh put the bottle and wash the sleep from your eyes you scruffy veggie-bummer, read all the comments that you didn't catch up on.. your not in play school, I'm not going to hold your hand, your going to have to stan on both feet now.
I'll help remind you about what the topic is: Fox Hunting and how its never going to stop, how its going to be repealed and how LACS will be dissolved.
@caturn88 You certainly have a very active imagination! You aren't really one to talk about keeping to the topic with your unfounded personal attacks that you dreamt up. Or maybe it was the little voice in your head. You have really latched onto the alcoholic idea haven't you. That is your latest fantasy. I'm interested to see what else you are going to dream up.
@birdman3120 Nothing you say can detract from the examples of anything but lucid accounts of times in the countryside, how your presence provokes those in pursuit of daily practice and pleasure.. but of course, with a couple of anonymous accounts online and a face mask when going out your side of affairs is very private.
The ban will continue to be flouted as if it never existed and a lack of apathy by our new government won't change that. You pinning your hopes of a piece of paper.
@caturn88 What facts are these that you stick in? I have failed to see any cold hard facts. Or is it this thing about the face mask that I wear? Do you know how delusional you sound? You are only backing up the proof of your mental illness. You really need to go and see a doctor. Schizos like you need help before you become a problem to the wider public.
@birdman3120 Read the comments, your obviously an anarchist - you want everybody to make love to animals and terrorise those that eat meat, you probably give your own kids up if they offended an animal in some way. Nobody on this thread supports you, you've picked a Borrat video to base your heart and sole on and you want to be taken seriously.
The facts are its been a tradition of hundreds of years, foxes cannot be killed any better way and everybody in the countryside supports it.
@caturn88 By the way it's spelt Alfa not "Alpha". :-D Plus, where is your explanation of how you send HIV throught the post. Or are you going to pretend you didn't say that. :-D
@birdman3120 You waste so much time picking people up on things, trying to control their lives simply because to look at your own would lead to crisis. But, as no doubt you anarchist "monitors" have found out in real life you don't get away with it. Here online I can bat back your whimpers all day, its fun, especially when I stick in a few facts which you have no defence over.
Like the ban and how its not supported, how it was sabotaged by Tony Blair in its inception and how it'll be binned
@caturn88 You live in a fantasy world. In fact you are showing the signs of someone who is schizophrenic. 80% of the UK's population lives in the cities and virtually everyone who lives in the cities is against fox hunting. So there is virtually no public support fot it. As for the MPs, Labour and the Lib Dems have a majority and the Lib Dems won't be whipped into siding with the Tories, as Dave said it would be a free vote.
@birdman3120 You lefties live up your arse, the PM who presided over the fucking Bill you hold so dear admitted in his memoirs that the purposefully sabotaged the fucking thing to allow loopholes in it. Police in the rural areas let the hunts continue and thus nothing has changed.
Most people in the cities don't know anything about the countryside, it doesn't matter anyway because when the Conservatives get a majority the Bill will be history.
@caturn88 As for me. I own a bar, I don't work in IT. I drive an Alfa and a BMW, not a Land Rover. I am not an alcoholic. I am not a veggie. I am not an anti-hunt who participates in anti-social behaviour. I live in a village. I have a kidney illness, but not at the moment due to a transplant. I am not religious. I don't support Clegg and never have. The only thing you got right is I am left wing. So let's stick to the facts shall we.
@birdman3120 What is this clap-trap nonsense, you write one thing and delete it and say another, you live with several online identities and spout rubbish as if you have any real support.
You show off that your in a high powered job in IT and have two daft land rovers, then change your story to BMWs and an Alpha now, your brown nosing Clegg in some kind of wishy-washy leftie shrine and pretend you live in the heart of a Hunting village.
Fucking hell, its your brain you need a transplant for!
@caturn88 You can't have brain transplants. I get the feeling you nothing about health and medicine. When did I say I had a job in IT and owned two Land Rovers? Please tell me when I said that. You make things up. You are seriously mentally ill. I would get help if I was you. Please tell me where you are getting these so called facts about my personal life.
@birdman3120 When will you grow up, you keep changing your story, it;ll be something else next week. Sip, sip, a little more drink... you leftists are led to drink, I knew an animal rights protester and it was sheer courage that stopped him going too far, but he knew some that did. You however are there, you've crossed that line and that's why you'll never win, just like these student protesters, the rotten apples never win
The ban will be overturned and fox hunting cares little for the law now
@birdman3120 Over and over you have things explained to you, you need to - once again - re-read what I wrote! You keep deleting posts, then changing your story, christ are you even sober?
The fact that for the last 20~something posts of yours you've not struck a single blow against the fox hunters in argument shows that you have no purpose but self harm and to those around you. Your a petty anarchist with no real political foundation.
@caturn88 As for picking up on things you have said, it was the claim that I send HIV through the post. Which such an outrageous claim. I mean how would you do that?
@birdman3120 Ah so you've bothered to read what replies I've written, look four in my inbox and each one not more than a line, if it is its just the same spurious wet-wipe politics you've spouted before.
Everybody on this board knows that your one of the hard left, who go out with face masks terrorising the locals, pretending you know what's good for them. You kick and bite and don't film it and then try to get innocent people a criminal record.
@birdman3120 You see power's concentrated in a small area, with those that know best and everybody else has a chance to realise this or fight in vain, its a fight you have taken up. What else were you going to do, on your lasts legs now, that's what you've done to yourself.
One day youll walk in and pay real money to be fitted by a British tailor and everything will make sense you'll ride that horse and ride hard and chase that bloody fox in the face of those you once stood with.
@birdman3120 I just finished with that bird brain, of course the arguments are as useless as your own - its so obvious its you. I bet you send yourself birthday cards, Christmas will be upon us in 15 days I wonder who you'll be getting cards from. How sad! Maybe you'll get one from the hospital, or some of your ultra left wing terrorist friends, you know the one's you've got to pretend you don't know.
Weather permitting there'll be a Boxing Day hunt to look forward to, see you there!
@caturn88 You are clearly not reading what I write and then continue with unfounded personal attacks, the very definition of a troll!!! Plus, you still fail to provide any evidence to back up the reasons for carrying on fox hunting, other than hear say and what farmers say.
@birdman3120 You need to re-read everything you've ever "contributed" to our conversations, its not like you have anything much to be proud of in that situation. Oh dear, I say, you've not actually asked farmers yourself what they thing and seem as though your the invading force you've got some cheek, still if you've got nothing to life for then what the hay.
No farmers EVER asked for a ban to be put in place or complained about the hunt, only wetwipe lefties from the cities with too much time
@caturn88 How are you going to persuade people to your point of view if you don't have any evidence. It's like going to court and saying I didn't commit that murder because my friends and I said I didn't. You need evidence!!
@birdman3120 Every point you make is just dreamed up by a spastic, the evidence is clear that a fox cannot be killed effectively with guns and traps are campaigned against - so, here's an idea, why not rely on a tried and tested method for hundreds of years.
You came along and brought your finicky, mousy attitudes to a place in this country that does not need them. There's no sanitary towels in the country, only mud and that's the difference, that's the real world.
@arheathen Good judgement isn't something all are born with, a sound mind either - in your case. If I am to give you a reply you have to reply yourself, not post to nobody. I'm only replying to your Birdbrain because I like to tidy up loose ends, and that's all you are.
Quote me if you want to draw attention to something I've said, which you can't with this message. Even with a new profile, a clean slate, you can't get the art of literary warfare right.
'it does it makes you feel big' ......wow, you never achieved anything in your life did you! jesus christ, has doing your sister for that many years eroded your manliness? or were you just born an inbred , mongoloid piece of shit?
Although not in quotation marks that line you allude to doesn't even exist, you made it up.
"has doing your sister for that many years eroded your manliness" - saying all the things you wish you could if you were a man ahy birdman, you've obviously got little taste.
"or were you just born an inbred , mongoloid piece of shit?" - you dream of being a sab, but your not, you've got no guts. This shows in your statement here, you weakling!
It was Ghandi that said: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." But from you comments on other videos, you seem to be a racist, so you probably don't care what some foreign person said.
@birdman3120 Do the Huntsmen dress in suits? Do they look scruffy, no they dress in white bottoms and polished boots. And all for a roll around in the muddy countryside, it takes a certain type of person to smile in adversity.
@caturn88 To be honest they look like knobs in their hunting outfits. If it is all about keeping fox numbers down, why dress up and have a glass of whatever before the hunt? Or is it maybe that it is all about killing a fox for fun? Why not bring back bear baiting and cock fighting?
@birdman3120 Your Labours/LibDems target audience, you have no appreciation for the sartorial distinguished, those who care for their appearance. Ever since the 40s Britain's high street has gone down hill. I bet you fell for the Top Hat stunt pulled by Labour during their campaign, oh dear, oh dear, what is it like down there?
If you were truly honest you'd admit they look dashing, fantastic and elite. Its something to aspire to. There's a whole world out there you know nothing about.
@caturn88 There is nothing to aspire to, as I could easily go out and buy an outfit like that. I know that not all hunters are top hat wearing toffs. I have an appreciation for a fine cut suit, not dressing in an outfit like that and I do take care in my appearance. I don't why you are getting so personal towards me when you don't know me. With comments like "what is it like down there?" you are just confirming you snobby attitude, you need to come down of your high chair.
@birdman3120 You know nothing about those clothes, their not off the peg, their fitted and a silk top hat costs £1000s, so you couldn't. You clearly know nothing about that industry or tradition, so don't even try it. Top hats are for show, they should be wearing hard hats btw.
@birdman3120 A fine cut suit will set you back more than you've ever paid for one or likely to, there's also a whole community around those with sartorial pride, again your high street so forget it. Hunting attire is wonderful to behold, your far too conservative with your tastes.. just look at the top house brands's catwalk shows, get an idea what your missing out on.
@birdman3120 You put me on a high pedestal by using words like snob, its so over the top and done already (notice how I don't say cliche). I can't believe you hate British tradition so much, its just so wrong, your not British.
@birdman3120 Its more than keeping numbers down, its about heritage, pride and tradition. Keeping the wheels turning, keeping idle time occupied in a social event which all enjoy - who participate. You don't have to involve yourself, don't put yourself out.
A little drink, christ, soon it'll be illegal to do that. Where as where you come from I bet there's rowdy behaviour all the time, drink fuelled.
It is about the kill of course, that and the entire event. You just can't see it can you.
@caturn88 It doesn't keep numbers down, more foxes are killed by cars than by hunting. If someone enjoys looking at pictures of children in a social environment, then they should be allowed to do it? They all enjoy it. I know all about blooding, digging out fox cubs to train beagles to kill, putting them down if they don't show a desire to kill, violence towards anti-hunt protestors.
@birdman3120 The statistic about those vermin run over is something I've never heard and probably peddled by the anti lobby and so false, it needs to be independently verified. This is all about foxes, leave your personal pastimes out of it. Blooding is normal, nothing more than a woman using makeup which is derived from animal by-product! training is best left to those who know how and whipping a sab makes for a good video!
@caturn88 If foxes are getting out of control, which they aren't, they're numbers aren't increasing, then why not use more effective measures for keeping them under control. It's the same with the badgers, culling them isn't going to stop the spread of TB, how do you know you are getting the right ones. There is no proof they are the cause of the spread, just another excuse to go and kill some more animals.
@birdman3120 You sound desperate here, your not making any sense. How do you know what fox levels should be or if they are too great or few in number. You don't live in the country, you take a distant perspective from it with your leftist literature. But you have no first hand knowledge of life in the country or fox hunting its self.
@caturn88 AND STOP BEING STEREOTYPICAL!!!!! Just because i care about living things doesnt make me some fucking left wing tree hugging, pale, dirty whimp. Im as about far the opposite of that thats possible. And i live in the country, i know what a hunt is. Stop stereotyping everyone and maybe you could win an argument without sounding like a pompous pillock who's about as much use in life as a chocolate fireguard.
@arheathen I missed this one, didn't miss much though did I. This quote is you (birdman) to a tee "Stop stereotyping everyone and maybe you could win an argument without sounding like a pompous pillock who's about as much use in life as a chocolate fireguard." - none of that makes any sense birdbrain, your opinion left you spread, you can't defend yourself like that. Prat!
Chocolate fireguard, oh, you mean fireman, fucking prat! The lefties will pick you up for that slur, maybe dig up your gran
@birdman3120 "Tory", what brainwashing have you been exposed to! The conservatives are not exactly Conservative right now, you wait until the next election. What will happen is the Police and judges will be told to ignore the issue, the hunts will expand and when the Tories win the next election outright then the ban will be overturned.
@birdman3120 Yea and when you say Conservative I don't take into consideration anybody that isn't a direct MP. I know there are some wishy-washy types in the Conservative party over this, but they'll be squeezed out.
@birdman3120 No, you don't understand I said a "direct MP" i.e. from the Conservatives, LibDems are not direct MPs to the Conservatives. Its the Conservatives which hve been recruited to detoxify the brand which are letting us down, they are the ones who will be squeezed out next time round, or whipped hard.
You don't complain about Parliamentary Whips, but where do you think all of this tradition comes from?! Slaves built some of our best buildings, shall we pull them down?!!
@caturn88 I never said anything about Parliamentary Whips!?!? If it goes to a public referendum then how can you whip the public into your way of thinking? Lib Dems and Labour have the majority in the House of Commons anyway.
@birdman3120 Who said anything about a Public referendum, it'll be decided by the MPs like before. Thus any pip-squeek MPs will be whipped. If you think the majority of Labour care your wrong, its a class issue when it comes to them. But like I said, when the Conservatives win the next election outright, then they'll vote.
For now, it'll be as if the band doesn't exist, resources will be starved in the rural police units for call outs to hunts. The ban means nothing as of now.
@caturn88 I wouldn't be so sure that the Tories will win the next election outright with the cuts they are making. The cuts and coalition will end the Lib Dems as a party in my opinion. The majority of Labour MPs are against fox hunting, they voted against it in the first place. Plus, at the Labour conference, the League table had loads of MPs around it supporting them, whilst the CA went home because no one came over.
@birdman3120 Don't you get it, the people have had a taste of the Conservative sauce now and it tastes good. LibDems have made themselves repugnant and Labour will never get back in so long as were 4TN in debt!
LibDem = agreed!
Labour only voted to bolster their class fight, the top hat thing is passe, forget it. Plus none of them have ever been on a Fox Hunt, except Tony Benn and he renounced his birthright for Christ sakes!
Your the fox with the bill, we'll catch you, it'll be quick.
@caturn88 We will have to agree to disagree because I think the Torries have alienated the middle classes with their cuts and the poorer people never vote for them. We will have to see at the next election. As for Labour and fox hunting, I know that they are against fox hunting from their positive reaction to the League's presence at their conference. I believe it will kept illegal.
@birdman3120 Your not much of a political strategist, they're getting all the hard things out of the way now while LibDems can be roped into it and because these issues need to be tackled. Labour borrowed so much we got sunk, so the Conservatives have to sort it out. The so called middle classes have been in a dream with Labour, now its the reality of their bad policies and decisions which are taking hold.
@caturn88 I wonder if you've ever watched a serious video about why people hunt foxes on youtube, check this one out and see why people who know nothing should reconsider:
@birdman3120 You brought snares up yourself twice now, people like you attach human emotions to animals.. you watch too much Disney. I thin Fox Hunting is far better than snares, much too boring.
@caturn88 Not if you talk to the average person in the street. People are worried about the cuts and it's seen as same old Torries, a chance to shrink the State and ruin the NHS. Target disabled people, people on benefits and people who work in the Public Sector and portray them as a drain on the country. Tar them all with the same brush.
@caturn88 The whole point of hunting is that the 'chase' lasts as long as possible. This is why the hounds are bred for stamina, not speed. There have also been numerous cases where hunts have provided artificial earth's to encourage foxes to breed to provide 'sport'. Recently the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) secretly filmed an employee of the Beaufort Hunt feeding fox cubs. (The Observer, 11/6/00)
@birdman3120 No, the hunt has evolved into many things, social climbing, social events, showing off, speaking freely, a show of defiance, intention to irritate, commerce… lots of things. If your talking about the whole history of fox hunting then lots of things will have changed.
The IFAW footage means nothing and the other point doesn't make any sense.
Furthermore, killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals - if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population. The fox's diet of rabbits and rats actually makes it an asset to most farmers. A 1996 MAFF booklet stated that only 0.4% of lambs who die do so due to accidents, dog attacks, and all other animal predatation - which includes being taken by foxes.
@birdman3120 That's okay, don't want the to go away!
Foxes have no natural predator, they regulate their population by starving, well farmers don't stop providing food so they are only ever a bigger problem. Only someone who had no experience would think they can manage themselves.
So how come farmers loose sheep a dozen at a time? because foxes kill for fun, they don't eat 12 sheep in one go, their not that picky!
"1996 MAFF booklet" - Jesus, you really are a red tape type. One of those to lose your non-real job as a gov-employee I deduce. Stick your booklet and listen to the farmers! Stats, thats all Labour types talked about, absolute rubbish. The real world works differently, and all those stats are bias!
@caturn88 There are estimated to be 250,000 adult foxes in the UK, producing about 400,000 cubs a year, most of which will die in their first year of life. Humans kill about 400,000 foxes a year so a ban on fox hunting, which kills about 20,000 a year at most, will have little impact.
@birdman3120 Your statistics are so old and meaningless. If a fox kills your cattle then that's the problem, never mind what a booklet says. Foxes are in such great numbers that we have them all over London, they're everywhere!
@caturn88 Countryside Alliance literature claims that '15,900 people whose jobs directly depend on fox hunting would be out of work.' The Ministry of Agriculture recently declared this figure to be a gross exaggeration. There are about 330 hunts in the UK, each employing about 3 people - making a total of about 1,000 employees.
@birdman3120 Pretty soon your going to run out of propaganda and statistics and then you'll have to think logically about what you believe in. This country used to be great, it used to be full of hard people, now its loads of softies in it. I bet you were all in favour of letting loads of useless foreigners in, unvetted. Now look at the problem.
The heritage and ostentatious practices of the countryside and Britain are being washed away by fools with no sense of pride.
@birdman3120 Oh right and you don't Torrent, what a generalisation! The law of the land is what counts in the Country. Have some fun in life. Labour and its red tape are gone, its time for responsibility.
There's some good videos of these old two falling over all the time, its hilarious!
@birdman3120 Torrenting isn't necessarily illegal, but its assumed. Just like if you didn't know about Fox Hunting, you'd assume it was cruel. Check out "Coniston Hunt Bullies" or "Hunt bullies at it again!" - they're the best ones! Watch them from a Huntsman pint of view.
@caturn88 I have seen those videos before, I'm a member of the League ;-) The point is it is illegal in the eyes of the law whether you like it or not to hunt with hounds. It is not illegal to monitor a hunt. I can see that they are a nuisance, but it is no reason to assult someone. I suppose you haven't seen the video where a huntsman gets of his horse and lays into a hunt monitor. How do you explain things like blooding?
@birdman3120 So a Lacy, but not a Sab hay. Not going to do much for the cause is it. Those Sabs trespass, hurl abuse and generally make the place uncomfortable. They wear masks to obscure their faces like terrorists so their identities will remain hidden but where the logic in them going to locals workplaces and making a nuisance of themselves?
There is so much hate toward them, who do they think they are. more than a nuisance, their not British and totally disrespectful!
this was in bournemouth i remember when this was going on if only i knew he would be there
bensimps123 2 weeks ago
1:42 *Correction* Cricket is a shit sport.
MrRyanification 1 month ago
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goenigoegoe83 1 month ago
'we love animals too'
'why do you shoot them'
'err... for fun'
BEST BORAT SCENE EVER!!!
matttheduck 2 months ago 4
2:45 look at the woman in the back laughing her ass off! :))
sera7ares 5 months ago 10
hilarious.
chillipeanuts 5 months ago
the lady at 2:20 escaped from Wily wonkas factory with his glasses, SHAME ON HER!
LoveHuntingForever14 5 months ago
LOL love this..
Even more so as my Aunt is the lady he is talking to at 3.02
He got her good! lol
BillyMouse1 5 months ago 6
Bunch of morons, should hunt them instead.
WiggaMachiavelli 6 months ago 2
hahahahahahahaha
MrRossy82 7 months ago
everythings cricket means evrythings ok . wen it aint ok its not cricket
tero4436 8 months ago
I'm English and I've never heard "everything is cricket" before...That policeman's weird...
BoJanglezzzzzz 8 months ago 2
then why do you shoot them??
err for fun! hahaha
westham4eva 9 months ago 3
Most of the anti-foxhunting people I know are townies who have no idea of country life yet try and tell those in the country how to live it. And then go home and tuck into a bloody rump steak!
xfilian1 10 months ago
ts funny if he doesnt hunt, id laugh at his jokes cause they are pretty funny, but if he hunts he shouldn't be talking shit like that.
morpheusraven396 10 months ago
you have big bollocks ha ha
JCFBMC 10 months ago
2:35 What a bitch! lol
Landmarqueboy 11 months ago
Nice glasses 2.20, and her ginger mate, not sure if "evil!" is the word.
cowboyfromkettins 11 months ago
"And the floor's a bit hot, so they jump. " hahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahah
barguna 1 year ago
The surprising thing is in England these people are members of parliament, police, judges and others who control aspects of society in England such as estate owners (land given often by Royal consent in the past by robbing the rightful land of the poor). In others words the very people who should set an example to society are the same ones flaunting the law and socially acceptable behaviour.
birdman3120 1 year ago
Now fox-hunting is an illegal activity however these same people continue to flout the law and hunt under local by-laws that have yet to catch up with national lawmaking. These people know what they are doing is illegal, immoral and against social norms as defined by majority opinion. Yet they claim they are superior parts of society and therefore above the day to day moral concerns of the ordinary masses.
birdman3120 1 year ago
In England fox-hunting was a cruel sport mostly carried out by intelligent, professional, wealthy men and women? Yet these same people claimed a right to hunt and destroy a defenceless animal for nothing more than a good time as seeing their hounds rip apart and devour a fox. Even though the majority of English people voted on numerous occasions to ban this sport it took several years of campaigning to get this put into law.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 if it went to a public vote - it would be re-instated.
hogalog 1 year ago
@hogalog If what went to a public vote?
birdman3120 1 year ago
Fox hunting gives an insight into a behaviour that breaks our three measures of social norms, law (hurting a defenceless animal) moral (the taboo on senseless behaviour seen as wrong doing) socially acceptable behaviour, (while everyone might lose their temper and kick their dog, most will feel pangs of guilt and remorse). Here however we meet people who feel no guilt, no remorse and see themselves as exempt from laws they do not agree with.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 U show the problem with people like yourself, a lack of understanding, they are work animals not pets, i.e they need to be kept in line and realize whos the boss, what do you suggesting saying good boy or explaining to the dog what hes doing wrong cause last time i checked they didnt speak english
kenny01622 7 months ago
@kenny01622 Thanks for your incredibly insightful and patronising comment mate. I have a very good understanding of exactly what goes on, but thanks for your concern. I get they are work animals, but they still doesn't justify the lack of remorse for the way they are treated. People training sheepdogs use the carrot method not the stick, they are work animals. By the way, thanks for pointing out dogs don't speak English, that had completely bypassed me in life that little fact(!) :D
birdman3120 6 months ago
@caturn88 @caturn88 didnt happen? Fantasy ,dreamed up story? google fox hunter decapitated, first one titled 'Pilot cleared over decapitation of hunt supporter' its on the timesonline site. Think i just proved you wrong, lick it
arheathen 1 year ago
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@arheathen That's funny. A taste of their own medicine.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@caturn88 what the fuck are you on about, i work 5 days a week, i check my email regularly in case theres anything important in it, and when i see one from utube about some stuck up 30 year old twat who doesnt have a job and spends all his time reviewing cameras on his fucking youtube page in his bedroom in his parents house, then yes, i feel inclined to reply.
arheathen 1 year ago
@arheathen Birdman, you baby, listen yourself. Read what you've written. Its all emotion, no facts, no examination, just raw emotion based on what you think. Just like those silly sabs that get broken limbs and craniums when they run naked with emotion into the countryside.
Your thoughts cheap and plenty, mine are bankable. So is then the assumption than the ill thought out bill, which will be repealed.
You know that the PM sab'ed it himself don't you, feel empty now, I thought so petal.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Seriously , im not ,birdman' seriously . I mite have a new profile but thats cause i never use youtube much and i wanted to watch a video that required me to prove i was over 18, so i made profile to watch said video, im not whoever birdman is, dont quite know how id prove that, but i also dont know why youd think it? my name is ar for animal rights, & heathen because i hate religion,
arheathen 1 year ago
@arheathen Will you give it up Birdman, honestly you wear your masks in the village and you think that kind of anonymity will work online too. You can't terrorise there or here, your spooked and your politics is just as misguided.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Silly sabs? broken limbs? is that meant to strike a chord ? Yeah sabs get fucked up a bit, but i remember seeing a huntsman get decapitated by sabs in a microlight, in front of his wife no less! HAHAHA what a cunt, i didnt stop laughing all day about that. and it was all the stupid huntsmans fault as well, and there were no charges pressed against the hunt monitors! My thoughts arent cheap actually, i base mine on ethical and moral arguments, yours are based on tradition, you sheep.
arheathen 1 year ago
@arheathen You've got some imagination Birdbrain, for a start that never happened, so it won't rile me. But if it didn't, which it didn't, you would have cried (and not laughing), if you had of laughed in the village you can have looked forward to a beating to within an inch of your meaningless life. You hear stories or dream them up and regurgitate them, but their all in your fantasy world.
"i base mine on ethical and moral arguments" - so you fuck your sister then, or a sheep, difference?
caturn88 1 year ago
LOL!!! i apologise for deviating i just couldnt hold back at the mistakes i felt you had made. Please remind me of the main topic so we can carry on, but please dont use phrases such as you breaking my arm or leg, as that is threatening behaviour. Also judging by the look of you ( you look 17 but your age is apparently 30 ) you couldnt break a toe-nail, let alone someones arm, so dont try and sound hard.
arheathen 1 year ago
@arheathen caturn88 seems to think you are me :-D
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 i got confused by that too mate! He was probably busy trying to do his colouring in book and got confused
arheathen 1 year ago
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birdman3120 1 year ago
@arheathen I personally think he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic. He doesn't even have a job, just spends every waking moment on YouTube starting arguements with people. I feel sorry for him, putting all his emotion and time into worrying about a lost cause. It is really sad, it really is. Expect more blabbering about how we are the same person.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@arheathen Right here your actually talking to yourself. What a fool, simple people you mix with, but your going to have to wake up a bit earlier in the morning to catch me out.
Lackey!
Ban the ban!
caturn88 1 year ago
I like colouring things in, expression with colour, nothing wrong with that. But creating a profile on the same day as pretending to roll over and take it up the bum, making a bee line to this video would leave only the most numb headed in the dark.
Birdman, get back to sending people your HIV in the post, scarring old ladies and meddling in rural affairs you only wish you understood.
The foxhunting ban shall be repealed!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Why are you still talking to arheathen as though he is me? That account was created 3 weeks before we started this conversation. You are only strengthening the case for your mental illness. HIV in the post? I see you are still living in the 80s, with the belief you can catch it by shaking someone's hand. Scaring old ladies? I mean really, please tell me what you are on about!
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 The tactics of the left are extreme; posting blooded syringes through the post of those supplying animals for biochemical testing, which may not be the issue here but certainly in the overall sphere of interest. Don't pretend you haven't thought about it, like digging up the relatives graves of those farmers who they wish to intimidate.
birdman, your a fool!
You've banned yourself from competent arguments, numpty.
Now its time to ban the ban!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 When did I say I worked in IT? I own a bar, end of. Sorry you are unemployed, but please stop sponging off the system. Go back to reviewing your phones. By the way your comments have been marked as spam as well. :-D
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Its clear to see so many of your comments have been marked as spam, and not be me! versus only one of mine and from it you can see that its nothing special. You've quite clearly deleted some of your comments, hence no reference to your sprucing of your own feathers.. I've got a job in IT, I've got two Land Rovers... what a daft git you are.
Still at it though with the unfounded accusations about my own affairs, what a joke you are! I've not reviewed one phone, facts, facts, fiction
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I deleted some comments due to spelling mistakes, that is all. Unless you want to read double posts.
I'm glad you have finally seen that the other poster isn't me. It took a while, but I suppose someone of low IQ takes longer to understand the obvious.
I've have never condoned the actions of some animal rights protesters doing horrible things such as digging up people's graves. ...
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Ah, back from your double life, rollin the door, what a mess, your all over the place, questions here and there, nothing you write makes any sense, its all over emotional gibberish, just sobbing away now Cleggs left you in the heap. You've got blood your hands and feel too ashamed to admit it, its yours though isn't it because your so drunk you've had an accident.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You're the one reading double, talking double dutch with your assumed double life, to the family its all 'I'm a professional' but as soon you get into LACS, through the back door there's a group of those overly concerned, too enwrapped with their own selfish emotions in pursuit of wrecking the countryside, destroying people's lives all justified by abuse... its alcohol of course and the misguided doctrine from radicals in LACS, their thugs and bullies to ordinary people
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Reading from a script designed to assume the preacher from a righteous position, but ill informed and blinded pious views to the extreme right of human abuse only justified by the thin thread of recent recognition of the way the biochemical industry treats animals. But the country, their way practiced for hundreds of years is an obstacle to over come and those innocent people in villages are there to be pushed aside for your silly ideals.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 How many times have you gone down in force, with your masks and all your weedy lefties nutter friends, plied with alcohol and the stench of not having washed for days.. how many times have you scared children in their own home and recorded it and played back to yourself thinking you were clever, wrecking defences for foxes could feed on the livelihood of farmers, just so they wouldn't die a natural deal - your meddling with nature! but you don't care, because you don't understand
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Posts I find missing, probably as you've come back from sabotaging homes and schools in villages, blaming the locals and making staged evens seems real in spurious recordings aimed at rolling the blame onto them. Everybody knows what you extremists are like, dressed scruffily and innocent enough in public but with mask of your own dead mother in the basement! Putting it on to scare people, hiding, waiting, destroying everything you don't understand.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 It takes a small person to hide behind a mask, to provoke in number and terrorise gentle folk in the country, far and away from public eyes, then edit what you want others to see. Its you, drunk on power, or what passes for power in the circles you swarm in. Then come the attacks when your away from the country, sending bloodied surgical objets in the post to families, threatening them, pretending you don't know anything about it but back you come to fight time and time again
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 ... But if you knew anything about the League then you would know that they don't condone those things either. You must surely not condone the violent actions of some pro-hunt supporters. There are extreme minorities on both sides. Anyway where is this story of farmer's graves being dug up?
Many of your comments have been marked as spam on my screen, which I haven't done. ...
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 There you go with your double standards, trying to impress with material riches, only to feel the stupidity of the claims.. how many little badgers and squirrels have you run over in your time, turning a blind eye, shying away from your responsibilities because you know your group that terrorises the countryside would have you for break fast.. what's it today, horse poo to the local school addressed to the child of a farmer you don't like. You'd probably do the same to your own!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Everybody knows the alternative measures condoned by LACS, the methods used to intimidate have gotten you this far, but the spirit of the countryside is far from broken, far from even being dented.
Involving the church and other weak types who are easily led, you band together a group of people (mostly young and insecure) to rage against something you don't understand, like a dog barking at the letterbox, it can't comprehend what its for, even when repeatedly shown.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 It is my assessment that Bible bashing lefties such as yourself have come to the conclusion that reincarnation will have you returned as an animal, one which will suffer in some form, most notably by the perfume companies which you choose in order to smell a certain way (but you conveniently turn a blind eye to that), because of the complete hash you've made in this life the only way is down, that's the overriding concern here - for yourself, all lefties are secretly selfish
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Only one of my comments up unto the point of mentioning it for myself were deemed to be spam, where as many of your had been removed to cover your tracks (two Land Rovers and a career you could only dream of not looking good to your scruffy mates) and profiles you make up to help divert attention from yourself... all to obvious, the desperate slippery arms of a drowning fool who cannot fight their corner with facts... fox hunting has been and will be British to the core!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Thinking back the days when mummy wouldn't buy you a pony, hated those who had them, never forgiven that have you, left yourself a little unprotected there. You can't really expect anybody to believe you've got the best intentions of LACS in your sights, its all about you and your grudges from your youth.
Mentalists riddle the left camp with their grudges against those who just get on with living, you'd be far more concerned with stopping that - fat chance!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Primark, that's how you bolster Britain's economy isn't it, not local, not Savile Row, or another local tailor, no, its all the money to the skills of those abroad. I don't think you've got the stomach to know how things are really made, how the sartorial industry really works... cringing at another tradition of Guards hats bade from bear coats.. do get a life! This is the world and it will never change!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 A suit to you has no purpose, your diary only willed with late night raids on farmers and incognito meetings with other mentalist supporters of the sabbing act (when your not too busy sponging off the NHS - its your own fault, guilt does that to a person, it drives them to drink). It'll be the same around this Christmas won't it, but the support you have is now weakened, not like in 2004/5, no its 2010 and things are tight...
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 ..but you'll find a way to get back at those girls who had horses when you didn't, rail at those who have events to attend worth suiting up for, families to enjoy the time of year with. Well go ahead, you'll be trailing in the mud and cold, not riding on a warm beast enjoying the hunt as much as their masters... don't you see how out of place you look.
The only thing worse than that are the monitors, utilising feeble technology which is dismissed in court time and time again
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 ... What is this about no references to sprucing up my own feathers? Are you saying you are in IT and own two Land Rovers?
I would like to say pot calling the kettle black on me commenting on your own affairs with unfounded accusations. What about calling me a Christian extremist, saying I would dig up someone's grave, accusing me (bizarely) of sending people HIV, saying I drive a Land Rover, saying I work in IT, ...
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Ah yes, you can't leave this argument, lost long ago it sticks with you, every waking hour of every day... your there, in your place of work as your own best customer, shooting your your own liver to pieces - but its okay, tax payers will pick up the bill, you'll get seen to via the NHS, you lefties like to use everything even when you don't need to. Depriving a human of liver, well not like its an animal, the take precedence over humans don't they, according to some
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Facts out the window for people like you, muddled thoughts prevail in the mind of the unsound and influenced, influenced by propaganda from far left (which is worse that far right) and secret meetings between hardline activists, anarchists!
Plotting against the young generation, in and out of the country, punishing those who don't appeal to your way of backward thinking and others who will never get a chance to enjoy the country, its your aim, regardless of the facts you ignore
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 By day its thug and evangelist for the unwashed, by night its down he bar, plotting with the other pigs. Twisting the facts of the countryside, peddling propaganda which MPs feel obliged to support when they themselves know nothing of the country... violence and terror are your stock and trade, you know I think I've seen you o heard you, the same phrases from your lips probably landed a perfectly normal campaigner in trouble, your there in the shadows at a distance...
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 fact and fiction its all the same for, once your done with it, what the public realise now is the absurdity of your arguments, traditions swept aside from a campaign of hard left tactics to confuse people. But that was just the people, not those informed and in power, the lead man Tony Blair admitting freely to using your own tactics against you and "sabotaging" the bill so that you only thought you'd won
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Police know who many of you lot are, but not you, little frail old you from the Helen Weeks appreciation society. She's an irritant but you want to model yourself on the more proactive anarchist sect, a keyboard you've realised is not enough.
Its all too easy to slip on a mask, rally others and take to the hunt with no other thoughts but to ruin the fun and livelihood of those practicing what they've been doing for generation.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 ... saying I support Clegg, saying I don't live in a village, saying I'm not British, saying I will never be able to afford a fine cut suit. Take a look at yourself in the mirror before criticising others. You have no foundation for any of those comments.
"I'll most likely never hear from the other person again because you lost their password!" That was probably your best quote, funny because you did hear back from him. ...
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Password recovery saved your bacon, I bet you've got it safe now, for when the attack is too hot on one account its so easy to slip into a new identity of another when online, or to slip another activists mask on to terrorise someone else and blame it on a colleague.. You vermin forfeit your own.
It'll be a dreadful time to campaign that way now, the Conservatives have dried up your avenues to the Police, people turn a blind eye when you lot are in town.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 ... Once again you ignore the demand of proper facts that support fox hunting.
Finally, you failed to explain to me what the hell you were talking about when you wrote "HIV in the post".
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Cuts deep when you see your glorious leader Clegg leave you like lumps from the back of a horse. Four years of him, how's he going to defend the ban, well, he can't but that doesn't matter because the ban is waived now, that's why you and you unwashed lackey band of troglodytes are going to make a bigger effort to terrorise - it'll be double thickness masks this year and the next, until the ban is repealed and then you'll see the true supporters on your side and a resurgence in ours
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 All facts are facts of life, life lived and lost. You lost yours, your bitter, your life is only half of someones who truly grabs theirs, like those of the hunt: Those with a zest for life, they don't drown their sorrows, they fight and win and you'll see that with a clear repeal when the country votes the Conservatives in hard and good.
Who do you fancy now ahy, Miliband, good lucky with that lispy good for nothing!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Each generation must have been the same as this, those in your linage before you aiming to defy those in the countryside, its been a constant battle. A little shrine in your room is reserved for all the failed soldiers who never made a difference, you can count yourself in that, you can toast to it, go on pickle yourself!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Its takes a Land Rover driving double standard type to not notice what goes on a ground level, instead of opening your eyes you narrow them to the ways of life, to blinker your entire existence instead of letting the light shine in and show you how the countryside works you study the narrow minded propaganda from those which probably know the truth - this fight is lost - but have gotten in too deep, and you know this is going to be you in years to come and it hits hard doesn't it.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 So your high powered job as an IT executive's let you down, you can't prove it, you can delete the claim but they remain. Think harder next time before entering combat with one you cannot win against - the countryside! the real people of Britain, the winners of life and guardians from those who wish to destroy it!!
The fox hunting ban was sabotaged, you pretend it wasn't, you can only wring your fists - but you voted Blair in, like Clegg and he's doing the dirty on you.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Wow, you really don't have a life do you? You have to be the biggest troll I have ever come across. You don't listen to anything I say and just come back with more unfounded accusations about me and my personal life. Did you realise that you just filled up over two pages of comments? Are you really that sad? There is no point writing all that because I am too busy to read all of it.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 One of four comments, you love to think anybody cares. You could fit everything you wrote in two comments, but your brain doesn't work like that, come to think of it neither does your liver. So, a person with half a brain, well that makes sense.
Driven over any badger today in your BIG Land Rover, like a big shot, who isn't! Had a swift one before you got be hind the wheel ahy?
No fox is safe with you on the road, just avoid school okay, do the next generation that much.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Liver? I assume you are talking about my health. It's funny that I even provide you with ammo to troll with and you can't get it right! It's my kidneys, but nice try. :-D Still banging on about the Land Rover I don't own that you dreamt up? I have friends who are farmers who are against it. So another fail for you. Calling me a spastic? That's three references to my health including the comment about the hospital. You are getting desperate. You just keep repeating the same insults!
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 The rate you knock it back your Livery doesn't stand a chance, I bet you've have a few today already. Student sympathiser, railing at the telly, you lefties will never understand.
Farmers know what side their breads buttered, when it comes down to it, they show their support in droves, the whole countryside's against the ban. They can always tell an outsider, rolling up in your Land Rover, playing the pretend local, no wonder you've got it all wrong.
The ban will be overturned.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I'm an alcoholic now? :-D I see your still banging on about my imaginary Land Rover. I drive a BMW and an Alfa Romeo. Any other things you are going to invent? You are really mentally retarded aren't you? The other person's account was created WEEKS BEFORE we started talking. How can you not understand that?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You should've read what I wrote, instead little sleepy head drunk forgot the gas was on. Of course your an alcoholic, you kidneys and liver playing up, drink driving, squashing perishable badgers in a hit and run so your mentalist friends (busy at the protests yesterday) won't do you in.
Oh so its not a Land Rover now little miss big shot, now its an Alpha and an Beamer, oh my are you in a little awful suburban/city bubble, your desperate to just fit in.
When will you learn?!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 By the way what the hell is a "Livery"?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Another wasted comment just to get the numbers up, slurring your words, can't focus on the keyboard, completely off topic - yep its the drunk anarchist who face masks it round the village frightening locals. Don't worry the Conservatives are in now, as you can see you jelly lefties are going to feel it now when your mucking about wasting people's time.
You'll be a regular at hospital oh yes. Ban the ban and lilly kidney jelly lefties!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 If you really believe that arheathen is really me, then why are you sending messages to both of us? :-D Send it to one or the other!!
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 I think your vision is suffering from your drink habit, its all falling to pieces. I mostly reply directly to you, Birdbrain, you read them because the email wings its way to your second imaginary life account.
See that vote yesterday, common sense won out, even the Lib Dems were convinced. The way forward for the country is here, the next election will have a full Conservative majority and then all the problems of the countryside will be over.
Your times almost up leftie!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Also you have failed to explain to me how you send HIV through the post.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Oh put the bottle and wash the sleep from your eyes you scruffy veggie-bummer, read all the comments that you didn't catch up on.. your not in play school, I'm not going to hold your hand, your going to have to stan on both feet now.
I'll help remind you about what the topic is: Fox Hunting and how its never going to stop, how its going to be repealed and how LACS will be dissolved.
Ban the ban and drink drivers!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You certainly have a very active imagination! You aren't really one to talk about keeping to the topic with your unfounded personal attacks that you dreamt up. Or maybe it was the little voice in your head. You have really latched onto the alcoholic idea haven't you. That is your latest fantasy. I'm interested to see what else you are going to dream up.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Nothing you say can detract from the examples of anything but lucid accounts of times in the countryside, how your presence provokes those in pursuit of daily practice and pleasure.. but of course, with a couple of anonymous accounts online and a face mask when going out your side of affairs is very private.
The ban will continue to be flouted as if it never existed and a lack of apathy by our new government won't change that. You pinning your hopes of a piece of paper.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 What facts are these that you stick in? I have failed to see any cold hard facts. Or is it this thing about the face mask that I wear? Do you know how delusional you sound? You are only backing up the proof of your mental illness. You really need to go and see a doctor. Schizos like you need help before you become a problem to the wider public.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Read the comments, your obviously an anarchist - you want everybody to make love to animals and terrorise those that eat meat, you probably give your own kids up if they offended an animal in some way. Nobody on this thread supports you, you've picked a Borrat video to base your heart and sole on and you want to be taken seriously.
The facts are its been a tradition of hundreds of years, foxes cannot be killed any better way and everybody in the countryside supports it.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 By the way it's spelt Alfa not "Alpha". :-D Plus, where is your explanation of how you send HIV throught the post. Or are you going to pretend you didn't say that. :-D
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You waste so much time picking people up on things, trying to control their lives simply because to look at your own would lead to crisis. But, as no doubt you anarchist "monitors" have found out in real life you don't get away with it. Here online I can bat back your whimpers all day, its fun, especially when I stick in a few facts which you have no defence over.
Like the ban and how its not supported, how it was sabotaged by Tony Blair in its inception and how it'll be binned
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You live in a fantasy world. In fact you are showing the signs of someone who is schizophrenic. 80% of the UK's population lives in the cities and virtually everyone who lives in the cities is against fox hunting. So there is virtually no public support fot it. As for the MPs, Labour and the Lib Dems have a majority and the Lib Dems won't be whipped into siding with the Tories, as Dave said it would be a free vote.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You lefties live up your arse, the PM who presided over the fucking Bill you hold so dear admitted in his memoirs that the purposefully sabotaged the fucking thing to allow loopholes in it. Police in the rural areas let the hunts continue and thus nothing has changed.
Most people in the cities don't know anything about the countryside, it doesn't matter anyway because when the Conservatives get a majority the Bill will be history.
This IS the real world.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 As for me. I own a bar, I don't work in IT. I drive an Alfa and a BMW, not a Land Rover. I am not an alcoholic. I am not a veggie. I am not an anti-hunt who participates in anti-social behaviour. I live in a village. I have a kidney illness, but not at the moment due to a transplant. I am not religious. I don't support Clegg and never have. The only thing you got right is I am left wing. So let's stick to the facts shall we.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 What is this clap-trap nonsense, you write one thing and delete it and say another, you live with several online identities and spout rubbish as if you have any real support.
You show off that your in a high powered job in IT and have two daft land rovers, then change your story to BMWs and an Alpha now, your brown nosing Clegg in some kind of wishy-washy leftie shrine and pretend you live in the heart of a Hunting village.
Fucking hell, its your brain you need a transplant for!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You can't have brain transplants. I get the feeling you nothing about health and medicine. When did I say I had a job in IT and owned two Land Rovers? Please tell me when I said that. You make things up. You are seriously mentally ill. I would get help if I was you. Please tell me where you are getting these so called facts about my personal life.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 When will you grow up, you keep changing your story, it;ll be something else next week. Sip, sip, a little more drink... you leftists are led to drink, I knew an animal rights protester and it was sheer courage that stopped him going too far, but he knew some that did. You however are there, you've crossed that line and that's why you'll never win, just like these student protesters, the rotten apples never win
The ban will be overturned and fox hunting cares little for the law now
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Where did I say those things about my personal life? Stop ducking the question.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Over and over you have things explained to you, you need to - once again - re-read what I wrote! You keep deleting posts, then changing your story, christ are you even sober?
The fact that for the last 20~something posts of yours you've not struck a single blow against the fox hunters in argument shows that you have no purpose but self harm and to those around you. Your a petty anarchist with no real political foundation.
Ban the ban, there's no need for it.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I'll ask the question again. Where did I say those things about my personal life?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@caturn88 Are you autistic?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@caturn88 As for picking up on things you have said, it was the claim that I send HIV through the post. Which such an outrageous claim. I mean how would you do that?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Ah so you've bothered to read what replies I've written, look four in my inbox and each one not more than a line, if it is its just the same spurious wet-wipe politics you've spouted before.
Everybody on this board knows that your one of the hard left, who go out with face masks terrorising the locals, pretending you know what's good for them. You kick and bite and don't film it and then try to get innocent people a criminal record.
You left bending extremists are the real losers!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You see power's concentrated in a small area, with those that know best and everybody else has a chance to realise this or fight in vain, its a fight you have taken up. What else were you going to do, on your lasts legs now, that's what you've done to yourself.
One day youll walk in and pay real money to be fitted by a British tailor and everything will make sense you'll ride that horse and ride hard and chase that bloody fox in the face of those you once stood with.
There is hope
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Also, I will repeat it again so you can get it into your head. The other guy's account was created before our little "conversation".
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 I just finished with that bird brain, of course the arguments are as useless as your own - its so obvious its you. I bet you send yourself birthday cards, Christmas will be upon us in 15 days I wonder who you'll be getting cards from. How sad! Maybe you'll get one from the hospital, or some of your ultra left wing terrorist friends, you know the one's you've got to pretend you don't know.
Weather permitting there'll be a Boxing Day hunt to look forward to, see you there!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 You are clearly not reading what I write and then continue with unfounded personal attacks, the very definition of a troll!!! Plus, you still fail to provide any evidence to back up the reasons for carrying on fox hunting, other than hear say and what farmers say.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You need to re-read everything you've ever "contributed" to our conversations, its not like you have anything much to be proud of in that situation. Oh dear, I say, you've not actually asked farmers yourself what they thing and seem as though your the invading force you've got some cheek, still if you've got nothing to life for then what the hay.
No farmers EVER asked for a ban to be put in place or complained about the hunt, only wetwipe lefties from the cities with too much time
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 How are you going to persuade people to your point of view if you don't have any evidence. It's like going to court and saying I didn't commit that murder because my friends and I said I didn't. You need evidence!!
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Every point you make is just dreamed up by a spastic, the evidence is clear that a fox cannot be killed effectively with guns and traps are campaigned against - so, here's an idea, why not rely on a tried and tested method for hundreds of years.
You came along and brought your finicky, mousy attitudes to a place in this country that does not need them. There's no sanitary towels in the country, only mud and that's the difference, that's the real world.
Now go eat your chicken meal
caturn88 1 year ago
@arheathen Good judgement isn't something all are born with, a sound mind either - in your case. If I am to give you a reply you have to reply yourself, not post to nobody. I'm only replying to your Birdbrain because I like to tidy up loose ends, and that's all you are.
Quote me if you want to draw attention to something I've said, which you can't with this message. Even with a new profile, a clean slate, you can't get the art of literary warfare right.
Ban the ban and silly silly lefties!
caturn88 1 year ago
'it does it makes you feel big' ......wow, you never achieved anything in your life did you! jesus christ, has doing your sister for that many years eroded your manliness? or were you just born an inbred , mongoloid piece of shit?
arheathen 1 year ago
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@arheathen I didn't see this either.
Although not in quotation marks that line you allude to doesn't even exist, you made it up.
"has doing your sister for that many years eroded your manliness" - saying all the things you wish you could if you were a man ahy birdman, you've obviously got little taste.
"or were you just born an inbred , mongoloid piece of shit?" - you dream of being a sab, but your not, you've got no guts. This shows in your statement here, you weakling!
caturn88 1 year ago
It was Ghandi that said: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." But from you comments on other videos, you seem to be a racist, so you probably don't care what some foreign person said.
birdman3120 1 year ago
The huntsmen came off far better, did you see how scruffy the protesters were
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 So they should get dressed up in suits to go and protest??
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Do the Huntsmen dress in suits? Do they look scruffy, no they dress in white bottoms and polished boots. And all for a roll around in the muddy countryside, it takes a certain type of person to smile in adversity.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 To be honest they look like knobs in their hunting outfits. If it is all about keeping fox numbers down, why dress up and have a glass of whatever before the hunt? Or is it maybe that it is all about killing a fox for fun? Why not bring back bear baiting and cock fighting?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Your Labours/LibDems target audience, you have no appreciation for the sartorial distinguished, those who care for their appearance. Ever since the 40s Britain's high street has gone down hill. I bet you fell for the Top Hat stunt pulled by Labour during their campaign, oh dear, oh dear, what is it like down there?
If you were truly honest you'd admit they look dashing, fantastic and elite. Its something to aspire to. There's a whole world out there you know nothing about.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 There is nothing to aspire to, as I could easily go out and buy an outfit like that. I know that not all hunters are top hat wearing toffs. I have an appreciation for a fine cut suit, not dressing in an outfit like that and I do take care in my appearance. I don't why you are getting so personal towards me when you don't know me. With comments like "what is it like down there?" you are just confirming you snobby attitude, you need to come down of your high chair.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You know nothing about those clothes, their not off the peg, their fitted and a silk top hat costs £1000s, so you couldn't. You clearly know nothing about that industry or tradition, so don't even try it. Top hats are for show, they should be wearing hard hats btw.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 A fine cut suit will set you back more than you've ever paid for one or likely to, there's also a whole community around those with sartorial pride, again your high street so forget it. Hunting attire is wonderful to behold, your far too conservative with your tastes.. just look at the top house brands's catwalk shows, get an idea what your missing out on.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You put me on a high pedestal by using words like snob, its so over the top and done already (notice how I don't say cliche). I can't believe you hate British tradition so much, its just so wrong, your not British.
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Its more than keeping numbers down, its about heritage, pride and tradition. Keeping the wheels turning, keeping idle time occupied in a social event which all enjoy - who participate. You don't have to involve yourself, don't put yourself out.
A little drink, christ, soon it'll be illegal to do that. Where as where you come from I bet there's rowdy behaviour all the time, drink fuelled.
It is about the kill of course, that and the entire event. You just can't see it can you.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 It doesn't keep numbers down, more foxes are killed by cars than by hunting. If someone enjoys looking at pictures of children in a social environment, then they should be allowed to do it? They all enjoy it. I know all about blooding, digging out fox cubs to train beagles to kill, putting them down if they don't show a desire to kill, violence towards anti-hunt protestors.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 The statistic about those vermin run over is something I've never heard and probably peddled by the anti lobby and so false, it needs to be independently verified. This is all about foxes, leave your personal pastimes out of it. Blooding is normal, nothing more than a woman using makeup which is derived from animal by-product! training is best left to those who know how and whipping a sab makes for a good video!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 If foxes are getting out of control, which they aren't, they're numbers aren't increasing, then why not use more effective measures for keeping them under control. It's the same with the badgers, culling them isn't going to stop the spread of TB, how do you know you are getting the right ones. There is no proof they are the cause of the spread, just another excuse to go and kill some more animals.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You sound desperate here, your not making any sense. How do you know what fox levels should be or if they are too great or few in number. You don't live in the country, you take a distant perspective from it with your leftist literature. But you have no first hand knowledge of life in the country or fox hunting its self.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 AND STOP BEING STEREOTYPICAL!!!!! Just because i care about living things doesnt make me some fucking left wing tree hugging, pale, dirty whimp. Im as about far the opposite of that thats possible. And i live in the country, i know what a hunt is. Stop stereotyping everyone and maybe you could win an argument without sounding like a pompous pillock who's about as much use in life as a chocolate fireguard.
arheathen 1 year ago
@arheathen I missed this one, didn't miss much though did I. This quote is you (birdman) to a tee "Stop stereotyping everyone and maybe you could win an argument without sounding like a pompous pillock who's about as much use in life as a chocolate fireguard." - none of that makes any sense birdbrain, your opinion left you spread, you can't defend yourself like that. Prat!
Chocolate fireguard, oh, you mean fireman, fucking prat! The lefties will pick you up for that slur, maybe dig up your gran
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Don't get me started on snares and the recent evidence showing the law breaking of pheasant shoots.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You started this, you antis wind yourselves up - this is how your in this mess. I sleep easy.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Plus, it's not just Labour and Lib Dems, Channel 4 did a poll and 42% of Tory voters wanted a ban.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 "Tory", what brainwashing have you been exposed to! The conservatives are not exactly Conservative right now, you wait until the next election. What will happen is the Police and judges will be told to ignore the issue, the hunts will expand and when the Tories win the next election outright then the ban will be overturned.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 The poll was done before the coalition.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Yea and when you say Conservative I don't take into consideration anybody that isn't a direct MP. I know there are some wishy-washy types in the Conservative party over this, but they'll be squeezed out.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 No, you don't understand these were Tory voters that were polled.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 No, you don't understand I said a "direct MP" i.e. from the Conservatives, LibDems are not direct MPs to the Conservatives. Its the Conservatives which hve been recruited to detoxify the brand which are letting us down, they are the ones who will be squeezed out next time round, or whipped hard.
You don't complain about Parliamentary Whips, but where do you think all of this tradition comes from?! Slaves built some of our best buildings, shall we pull them down?!!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I never said anything about Parliamentary Whips!?!? If it goes to a public referendum then how can you whip the public into your way of thinking? Lib Dems and Labour have the majority in the House of Commons anyway.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Who said anything about a Public referendum, it'll be decided by the MPs like before. Thus any pip-squeek MPs will be whipped. If you think the majority of Labour care your wrong, its a class issue when it comes to them. But like I said, when the Conservatives win the next election outright, then they'll vote.
For now, it'll be as if the band doesn't exist, resources will be starved in the rural police units for call outs to hunts. The ban means nothing as of now.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I wouldn't be so sure that the Tories will win the next election outright with the cuts they are making. The cuts and coalition will end the Lib Dems as a party in my opinion. The majority of Labour MPs are against fox hunting, they voted against it in the first place. Plus, at the Labour conference, the League table had loads of MPs around it supporting them, whilst the CA went home because no one came over.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Don't you get it, the people have had a taste of the Conservative sauce now and it tastes good. LibDems have made themselves repugnant and Labour will never get back in so long as were 4TN in debt!
LibDem = agreed!
Labour only voted to bolster their class fight, the top hat thing is passe, forget it. Plus none of them have ever been on a Fox Hunt, except Tony Benn and he renounced his birthright for Christ sakes!
Your the fox with the bill, we'll catch you, it'll be quick.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 We will have to agree to disagree because I think the Torries have alienated the middle classes with their cuts and the poorer people never vote for them. We will have to see at the next election. As for Labour and fox hunting, I know that they are against fox hunting from their positive reaction to the League's presence at their conference. I believe it will kept illegal.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Your not much of a political strategist, they're getting all the hard things out of the way now while LibDems can be roped into it and because these issues need to be tackled. Labour borrowed so much we got sunk, so the Conservatives have to sort it out. The so called middle classes have been in a dream with Labour, now its the reality of their bad policies and decisions which are taking hold.
Things will improve and the public know that.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I wonder if you've ever watched a serious video about why people hunt foxes on youtube, check this one out and see why people who know nothing should reconsider:
Fellhunting with the Coniston Foxhounds
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I suppose you support snares?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 You brought snares up yourself twice now, people like you attach human emotions to animals.. you watch too much Disney. I thin Fox Hunting is far better than snares, much too boring.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Not if you talk to the average person in the street. People are worried about the cuts and it's seen as same old Torries, a chance to shrink the State and ruin the NHS. Target disabled people, people on benefits and people who work in the Public Sector and portray them as a drain on the country. Tar them all with the same brush.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@caturn88 The whole point of hunting is that the 'chase' lasts as long as possible. This is why the hounds are bred for stamina, not speed. There have also been numerous cases where hunts have provided artificial earth's to encourage foxes to breed to provide 'sport'. Recently the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) secretly filmed an employee of the Beaufort Hunt feeding fox cubs. (The Observer, 11/6/00)
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 No, the hunt has evolved into many things, social climbing, social events, showing off, speaking freely, a show of defiance, intention to irritate, commerce… lots of things. If your talking about the whole history of fox hunting then lots of things will have changed.
The IFAW footage means nothing and the other point doesn't make any sense.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88
Furthermore, killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals - if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population. The fox's diet of rabbits and rats actually makes it an asset to most farmers. A 1996 MAFF booklet stated that only 0.4% of lambs who die do so due to accidents, dog attacks, and all other animal predatation - which includes being taken by foxes.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 That's okay, don't want the to go away!
Foxes have no natural predator, they regulate their population by starving, well farmers don't stop providing food so they are only ever a bigger problem. Only someone who had no experience would think they can manage themselves.
So how come farmers loose sheep a dozen at a time? because foxes kill for fun, they don't eat 12 sheep in one go, their not that picky!
caturn88 1 year ago
@birdman3120
"1996 MAFF booklet" - Jesus, you really are a red tape type. One of those to lose your non-real job as a gov-employee I deduce. Stick your booklet and listen to the farmers! Stats, thats all Labour types talked about, absolute rubbish. The real world works differently, and all those stats are bias!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 There are estimated to be 250,000 adult foxes in the UK, producing about 400,000 cubs a year, most of which will die in their first year of life. Humans kill about 400,000 foxes a year so a ban on fox hunting, which kills about 20,000 a year at most, will have little impact.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Your statistics are so old and meaningless. If a fox kills your cattle then that's the problem, never mind what a booklet says. Foxes are in such great numbers that we have them all over London, they're everywhere!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 Countryside Alliance literature claims that '15,900 people whose jobs directly depend on fox hunting would be out of work.' The Ministry of Agriculture recently declared this figure to be a gross exaggeration. There are about 330 hunts in the UK, each employing about 3 people - making a total of about 1,000 employees.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Pretty soon your going to run out of propaganda and statistics and then you'll have to think logically about what you believe in. This country used to be great, it used to be full of hard people, now its loads of softies in it. I bet you were all in favour of letting loads of useless foreigners in, unvetted. Now look at the problem.
The heritage and ostentatious practices of the countryside and Britain are being washed away by fools with no sense of pride.
That will not happen!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 It's good to see you are all law breakers, typical countryside attitude of I will take the law into my own hands.
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Oh right and you don't Torrent, what a generalisation! The law of the land is what counts in the Country. Have some fun in life. Labour and its red tape are gone, its time for responsibility.
There's some good videos of these old two falling over all the time, its hilarious!
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I have to say I don't Torrent, I had to look it up to see what it was :D
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 Torrenting isn't necessarily illegal, but its assumed. Just like if you didn't know about Fox Hunting, you'd assume it was cruel. Check out "Coniston Hunt Bullies" or "Hunt bullies at it again!" - they're the best ones! Watch them from a Huntsman pint of view.
Let me know what you think.
caturn88 1 year ago
@caturn88 I have seen those videos before, I'm a member of the League ;-) The point is it is illegal in the eyes of the law whether you like it or not to hunt with hounds. It is not illegal to monitor a hunt. I can see that they are a nuisance, but it is no reason to assult someone. I suppose you haven't seen the video where a huntsman gets of his horse and lays into a hunt monitor. How do you explain things like blooding?
birdman3120 1 year ago
@birdman3120 So a Lacy, but not a Sab hay. Not going to do much for the cause is it. Those Sabs trespass, hurl abuse and generally make the place uncomfortable. They wear masks to obscure their faces like terrorists so their identities will remain hidden but where the logic in them going to locals workplaces and making a nuisance of themselves?
There is so much hate toward them, who do they think they are. more than a nuisance, their not British and totally disrespectful!
caturn88 1 year ago