An excellent presentation! I have read these passages myself and was amazed on discovering them, and surprised that they are not shared in most churches today. Thank you for sharing them here!
@boltingpuppies It appears to me this information is kept unknown to most because it goes against popular end time teachings that are so prevalent today. What amazes me is that some modern Christian writers try to use various selective quotations from these very same early church fathers in order to say the opposite of what these early apologists plainly say in the quotations I provide!
@arovir I have seen the same thing (selective quotations used to say the opposite of what these early apologists plainly say)! This is why your video is such a blessing. People can see the belief actually held by these men who were either taught by an apostle or disciples of apostles, etc. There words were crystal clear, the church will be here to be persecuted by anti-christ. Thank you again!!
@arovir Thank you for your most kind understanding, lol :) What shall I use as my excuse tomorrow day? ;) Well, I think I will go sleep tight now! Good night :)
@boltingpuppies The dead in Christ will rise first. Pretrib teaches (1a) Dead in Christ rise, (1b) Alive in Christ are reaptured, (2a) Tribulation Dead rise, (2b) Tribulation survivors are raptured. Pretrib = 2 resurections of righteous + 2 raptures + 1 resurection of the unrighteous.
@RobertMOdell Hi there RMO. Yes, you are correct! Originally, pre-trib only taught the one resurrection and rapture *until* Revelation 20's post-trib resurrection was pointed out. After that glaring error was revealed, the pre-trib false doctrine evolved into what we hear today which you aptly shared. It is interesting that scripture only foretells *one* resurrection of the righteous which it happens *at* Christ's coming and precedes the living *survivors* being gathered to Christ!
@boltingpuppies Love your video ministry! Keep it up. I just watched your "A trap for BOTH houses of Israel" which brought me great joy as I experienced the power of how you combined the OT types with the NT reality. What a great and wonderful Lord we serve. I see you are sometimes a night owl like me. Lord bless you.
@boltingpuppies What software tools do you use to combine the text and graphics and your videos. I've been wanting to create some videos too, but don't know where to start despite being a software programmer!
@RobertMOdell That video was done on my MacBookPro. I used iMovie which is what come pre-installed on the Mac. It is very easy to use. I have seen some great software used by others that are non-Mac. SonyVegas...and some others I can't remember the names of. I look forward to seeing some videos from you in the future.
A few weeks ago I used 2 Thessalonians to prove to a brother at church the timing of Christ return. At first he resisted the proof in scripture but later told me that this made him think about what the scripture said. I go to a baptist church and sorry to say most people are blind to the very word of God but receive the words of men. My pastor is the same way. I have tried to warn people to the truth but they look at me as though I am crazy. Scripture is the only way to prove the truth.
@Larryd1001 Hang in there hold to the TRUTH, let no mans doctrine or peer pressure sway what you know in your heart to be FACT,,, Gods word is TRUTH..
@Larryd1001 The pre-trib teaching is emotionally attractive, and therefore very hard for people to abandon. Yes, the light of the Scriptures shows the way from error to truth.
@TheVictor6951 Unfortunately, there are very many who don't want to believe it. They would rather cling to an imaginary heavenly evacuation than face the reality of the Word of God concerning the church in the last days.
@arovir ,,Yes they will readily accept the the False Messiah when he appears at the 6th trump, Satan knew the best way to decieve the masses would be from within the churchs.But they sit on pins and needles,chillin on the wall, daubed with falty mortat waiting on mans false promises to fly,,
Very good video! It still baffles me just how many pre-tribulation rapture believers there are. The evidence against it is overwelming! Common sense should let people know that of course the church will be here, otherwise, who would he persecute?
@tjrod672 Thanks! You know, a prominent pre-tribber, Grant Jeffrey, has tried to show by selective quotations in a book he has written that these very same church fathers were pre-tribbers! Can you believe it!!? His attempt to claim support for his erroneous view by eliciting these church fathers is plain dishonesty.
Great info! Much needed! Thank you again, Robert! Your vids shoul be being played on TV all over the world. Best yet on the end times! :) Liz
Lachance8 1 week ago
@Lachance8 You are far too kind! Oh, and thank you for helping to spread the message. :) Be blessed!
arovir 1 week ago
Good job!
QKVCS 1 week ago
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IAMJESUSmovie 1 month ago
An excellent presentation! I have read these passages myself and was amazed on discovering them, and surprised that they are not shared in most churches today. Thank you for sharing them here!
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies It appears to me this information is kept unknown to most because it goes against popular end time teachings that are so prevalent today. What amazes me is that some modern Christian writers try to use various selective quotations from these very same early church fathers in order to say the opposite of what these early apologists plainly say in the quotations I provide!
Your evaluation means a lot to me :)
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir I have seen the same thing (selective quotations used to say the opposite of what these early apologists plainly say)! This is why your video is such a blessing. People can see the belief actually held by these men who were either taught by an apostle or disciples of apostles, etc. There words were crystal clear, the church will be here to be persecuted by anti-christ. Thank you again!!
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies "their words" :)
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies Your spelling is excused because of the time of day (or should I say 'night') ;) Sleep tight!
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir Thank you for your most kind understanding, lol :) What shall I use as my excuse tomorrow day? ;) Well, I think I will go sleep tight now! Good night :)
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies Hoot hoot! [means: 'You're welcome!' in owlish - but you knew that didn't you. ;)) ]
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir Hoot, hoot ;D
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies I guess that means - "Yes, I did know!" though I'm not entirely sure because of your accent... ;)
arovir 1 month ago
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RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies The dead in Christ will rise first. Pretrib teaches (1a) Dead in Christ rise, (1b) Alive in Christ are reaptured, (2a) Tribulation Dead rise, (2b) Tribulation survivors are raptured. Pretrib = 2 resurections of righteous + 2 raptures + 1 resurection of the unrighteous.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell Hi there RMO. Yes, you are correct! Originally, pre-trib only taught the one resurrection and rapture *until* Revelation 20's post-trib resurrection was pointed out. After that glaring error was revealed, the pre-trib false doctrine evolved into what we hear today which you aptly shared. It is interesting that scripture only foretells *one* resurrection of the righteous which it happens *at* Christ's coming and precedes the living *survivors* being gathered to Christ!
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies Love your video ministry! Keep it up. I just watched your "A trap for BOTH houses of Israel" which brought me great joy as I experienced the power of how you combined the OT types with the NT reality. What a great and wonderful Lord we serve. I see you are sometimes a night owl like me. Lord bless you.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell Yes He is! :) And yes, I am a night owl like you, lol :)
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
@boltingpuppies What software tools do you use to combine the text and graphics and your videos. I've been wanting to create some videos too, but don't know where to start despite being a software programmer!
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell That video was done on my MacBookPro. I used iMovie which is what come pre-installed on the Mac. It is very easy to use. I have seen some great software used by others that are non-Mac. SonyVegas...and some others I can't remember the names of. I look forward to seeing some videos from you in the future.
boltingpuppies 1 month ago
Amen
InTheSpirit12 1 month ago
@JohnLCG1 You're welcome!
arovir 1 month ago
Great work friend:)
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k Good to hear from you!
arovir 1 month ago
Another excellent teaching Brother, I allways look forward to your videos, Fact over Fiction should be the desire of every Christian. God bless :)
fatboysporty1 1 month ago
@fatboysporty1 Your encouragement is much appreciated! God bless you too :)
arovir 1 month ago
This is correct! I am an Orthodox Christian.
roblesd1 1 month ago
@roblesd1 Glad you concur. God bless!
arovir 1 month ago
Thank you..once again, a calm, clear and concise revelation...I keep learning...
109876543210ignition 1 month ago
@109876543210ignition Me too! I keep learning... There's always more to find out! Blessings to you!
arovir 1 month ago
A few weeks ago I used 2 Thessalonians to prove to a brother at church the timing of Christ return. At first he resisted the proof in scripture but later told me that this made him think about what the scripture said. I go to a baptist church and sorry to say most people are blind to the very word of God but receive the words of men. My pastor is the same way. I have tried to warn people to the truth but they look at me as though I am crazy. Scripture is the only way to prove the truth.
Larryd1001 1 month ago
@Larryd1001 Hang in there hold to the TRUTH, let no mans doctrine or peer pressure sway what you know in your heart to be FACT,,, Gods word is TRUTH..
fatboysporty1 1 month ago
@Larryd1001 The pre-trib teaching is emotionally attractive, and therefore very hard for people to abandon. Yes, the light of the Scriptures shows the way from error to truth.
arovir 1 month ago
Good vid,,but for some reason there are many who can not see it,,even when they read it with their own eyes. They still don't believe it.
TheVictor6951 1 month ago
@TheVictor6951 Unfortunately, there are very many who don't want to believe it. They would rather cling to an imaginary heavenly evacuation than face the reality of the Word of God concerning the church in the last days.
arovir 1 month ago
@arovir ,,Yes they will readily accept the the False Messiah when he appears at the 6th trump, Satan knew the best way to decieve the masses would be from within the churchs.But they sit on pins and needles,chillin on the wall, daubed with falty mortat waiting on mans false promises to fly,,
TheVictor6951 1 month ago
Very good video! It still baffles me just how many pre-tribulation rapture believers there are. The evidence against it is overwelming! Common sense should let people know that of course the church will be here, otherwise, who would he persecute?
tjrod672 1 month ago
@tjrod672 Thanks! You know, a prominent pre-tribber, Grant Jeffrey, has tried to show by selective quotations in a book he has written that these very same church fathers were pre-tribbers! Can you believe it!!? His attempt to claim support for his erroneous view by eliciting these church fathers is plain dishonesty.
arovir 1 month ago
Matt 24....
rolling422 1 month ago
@rolling422 Yes, I agree! lol. That chapter says it all.
arovir 1 month ago
This was really, REALLY, r e a l l y good!...in substance *and* style. Thank you! Great information to have!
Jimvesterstallone 1 month ago
@Jimvesterstallone Yours are wonderfully warm words on the world wide web! :)
arovir 1 month ago