End Mandatory Detention

[SvendBosanvovski]

Perhaps this can be explained to me: why is it that these Muslim refugees, who pass through a number of Muslim countries not signatory to the international conventions before they arrive on the boats that carry them here, aren't offering them permanent santuary as required in the Holy Koran. They must get a lot of green lights from those countries before they reach Christmas Island. Why isn' t Indonesia resettling their Muslim brothers and sisters?

[SvendBosanvovski]

...a high proportion off those who get here are finally shown to be genuine refugees (89%), and Australia is committed to granting such people sanctuary. Many of these refugees have their lives torn apart because of wars our nation has participated in (Afghanistan, Iraq). We consequently bear responsibility. However, I don't want us to end up like the UK. We get to choose who arrives here, not criminal people smugglers. .

[SvendBosanvovski]

This is perhaps the most difficult public policy issue facing Australians, and successive governments have struggled to find an appropriate balance. We know that the people seeking asylum don't get to our shores without the assistance of organised criminal smuggling networks (its a long way from Iraq). We also suspect that by acquiescing to the pressure from human rights activist the number coming through the backdoor is likely to increase exponentially. On ther other hand, ...

[ajb2066]

Australia needs a bill of rights which among other things, ends mandatory detention now and forever!

[ummyousef]

You people who are labelling asylum seekers as wrong doers and terrorists are only labelling yourselves as ignorant, howard's fear campaign has obviously influenced many.

[kelpend555]

Yes you've got it all worked out. Like most chardonnay socialists you label anyone who doesn't agree with you as ignorant or unable to think for themselves. Find a new mantra you moron. Look at the stats. Right wing rule lasts on average 30% longer every time for a good reason. At least we only detain our unwanted invaders.

[ausearthlove]

so many Christians about, I think they have forgotten something?

[Steven2690]

In my opinion no body should be allowed to come to this country illegally,

I dont think that children should be punished by their idiot parents but people who have done the wrong thing should cop the punishment

[cactusdude666]

Steven2000, the problem is not that we allow people to come here illegally - we don't. This issue is how we treat people who, under international law and UN conventions, have the right to seek asylum here, or elsewhere for that matter.

I think you misunderstand the intention of detention. It was not intended to be what you seem to regard as 'punishment', though, under the Howard Government, that is what it has become.

If people, including asylum seekers, come here illegally, we deport them.

[ajb2066]

I suppose it WAS legal for your ancestors to come to this continent and steal it from it's traditional owners by declaring it uninhabited, or Terra Nulius?

Everyone who has arrived upon this continent since Captain Cook, is living a lie.

In my opinion, it is downright hypocritical and bigoted for anyone already residing here, to declare the most recent immigrants as ILLEGAL.

We are all living on land which does not belong to us.

[Steven2690]

yep just another left wing bleeding heart trying to twist the story

I only had to look at the video on your profile of you to see your a moron

What happened over 200 years ago happened, so because of that you think its acceptable to have a weak imigration system and let whoever the fuck wants to come here come here

I pitty your poor soul

[ajb2066]

You should really learn to spell, look at improving your grammar, expand your vocabulary and properly research topics you wish to argue.

Do you realise that the people seeking refuge here are trying to escape from tyranny and persecution in their own country? How do you formulate your opinions anyway? By watching a current affair? Listening to talk back radio perhaps?

Broaden your mind Stephen and if the argument does not go your way, try not to resort to profanity and insults.

[Steven2690]

I want to know what correlation you make between

1.what happened 200 years ago when the British came here

and

2.What makes it ok for Australia to have a piss weak immigration system in regards to the British settling Australia over 200 years ago

Can you answer that for me?

[ajb2066]

Steven, I will try to explain my point more clearly if I can. You are claiming that people who seek asylum in this place are illegal. These are people who are fleeing their own country, in most cases, for fear of being persecuted or murdered. As I have stated, it is my view that the British invaded this place over 200 years ago, ILLEGALLY. Therefore, all who reside here now, are doing so on very dubious grounds and should exercise extreme caution when judging newly arriving immigrants.

[Steven2690]

Yes they are illegal

Tell me how I am wrong about that

If you let some of these people in what sort of a message do you think thats going to send the rest of them???

Do you think they will think ohh Australia is an easy target lets go there

No thats a stupid idea

I think we are letting too many immigrants here that dont asimilate they are racist and just stick to their own people and just ignore Australians and treat us like shit, and dont give a fuck about our culture

[ajb2066]

We will have to agree to disagree I guess. I will subscribe to your profile and check out your interests when I can. In the mean time, I hope that you are able to find some compassion for people who are less fortunate than you. There is enormous wealth on this continent, which was taken by force, by our ancestors, from the Aboriginals. This should be shared in good faith, or given back to it's legitimate and traditional owners.

Only Aboriginals have exclusive rights to this continent.

[Steven2690]

"or given back to it's legitimate and traditional owners"

Umm what are you suggesting that 22 million people just fuck off to another country that they don't know, probably never been to, if your saying that your a moron

"Only Aboriginals have exclusive rights to this continent"

Says who???

You u moron??

I was born here I have just as much right to be here as the Aboriginals this is my country

You really are showing your stupidity with your comments

You sound like a Greens voter?

[ajb2066]

You are like a broken record. You sound like a redneck, racist, small minded hill billy. If someone suggests an alternative point of view, all you have to offer are childish insults and your vulgar microscopic vocabulary. I used to call people names when I was in year eight. And who says you have as much right to be here as the Aboriginals? You? Who cares? No one else cares about you or what you think. I've read the comments on your profile.

Don't contact me again.

[ajb2066]

Quoting you; "Umm what are you suggesting that 22 million people just fuck off to another country that they don't know, probably never been to"

I would say that if YOU were to "fuck off to another country", that would be a great start. If we had no greens party, this place would be pock marked with holes left by the mining companies, there would not be a tree left standing and we would have no fresh air or water. You sound like a liberal party / John Howard voter.

[ajb2066]

With your outlook on the world, I am not surprised that people from other countries ignore you and treat you like shit. I would bet my last dollar that you have never been overseas. You are immature and ignorant to think that people from other countries would be even slightly interested in what you call "our culture". You come onto this site and complain about other people who are less fortunate than you, when you should be trying to improve your own ignorance and inward looking attitude.

[Steven2690]

I would bet my last dollar that you have never been overseas

*WRONG AGAIN

You sound like a redneck, racist, small minded hill billy.

*WRONG AGAIN

You sound like a liberal party / John Howard voter.

*WRONG AGAIN

[Steven2690]

"You are immature and ignorant to think that people from other countries would be even slightly interested in what you call "our culture"

yeap its ok for you to make a comment like that and try to put down your own country but if I said something like I couldnt care less about arab culture for example like women wearing tents on their head in Australia you would call me a racist

[ajb2066]

Wearing tents on their heads??? You ARE quite obviously a racist. Xenophobic and small mined. People like yourself who don't wish to share, those who took part in the riots at cronulla, those who rejected the Muslim school in camden and those who ignore the violent and murderous history of this place make me sick. You make me ashamed to say I was born and grew up in this place. Why don't you ask your doctor to refer you to a psychologist? You need help with your hatred and fear of foreigners.

[Steven2690]

yeah good on you mate, get out your race card

Why dont you get a fucken dictonary and look up the word RACIST you fool

You will see it says nothing about culture, what people choose to wear on their heads.

DOnt you fucken call me a racist you cunt when obvioulsy I am not one, When did i say I hated people for the colour of their skin you moron???

[ajb2066]

The Macquarie Dictionary states; racism - "the belief that humans have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures. - Racist".

I don't mind offering free education to people who deserve it, but you are simply a waste of time and space. You are an oxygen thief.

I suggest that you get a dictionary and look up the following;

intellect

compassion

vulgar

tolerance

respect

manners

vocabulary

[Steven2690]

Ok call me a racist then I dont give a fuck

But what I will say is this I dont give a fuck what colour a persons skin is and I will never hate an individual based on their skin colour

[Steven2690]

And your not adressing what I said

The muslims that want to send their children to a muslim school are going out of their way to be RACIST not only to White Australians but Australians of all other races because they are going out off thier way to reject Australian values and culture by setting up their own school and only wanting their children to mix with their own kind

SO by your definition would that be clasifyied as being RACIST???

[Steven2690]

They have come to our country

So why dont you think its apropriate for them to live like us????

I cant understand your way of thinking its idiotic to the extreme, you sound like a trator to your own country

[ajb2066]

How you can justify calling someone else stupid is beyond me. You cannot even spell!

You say that people who come to "our" country should live like "us". Who is our and us anyway? And what do you suggest? That Muslim people should remove their traditional clothing and wear king gees? Stubbies? Rugby league jumpers? Billabong shirt perhaps? Drink 15 beers and fall down in the gutter? You are stupid and ignorant. What's worse, you display this behaviour here as if it is something to be proud of.

[Steven2690]

That Muslim people should remove their traditional clothing and wear king gees?

Yes they should, dressing the Australian or western way is a vital step to show u have respect for the country you are living in and shows that you want to be apart of our society as oppose to the society that you moved from

If they want to live a STRICT muslim life then they should stay in a muslim country because Australia is a layed back country and we dont want violence and the trouble that bring to here

[ajb2066]

This society is supposed to be "multicultural". It's been government policy for a long time now. You know that. Why can't we live side by side? If you don't want to learn about their culture, that's fine. But immigrants should not have a lifestyle which you deem "appropriate" forced upon them. To suggest that immigrants should accept your way of life and discard their own, is to suggest that your way of life is superior. And that is just not the case.

[Steven2690]

supposed to be "multicultural

According to who??? You

Because you know deep down that the majority of AUstralians reject the concept of Multiculturalism did u nott read the links I gave to you to prove this???

Multiculturalism was forced upon us yes FORCED, by parents and greatgrandparents didnt have a say in it, Its just the minority who always wins and it makes my blood boil

[Steven2690]

But immigrants should not have a lifestyle which you deem "appropriate" forced upon them

So if I went to an arab country and I rejected their culture and values in their country do you know what would happen to me I would be put in jail, possably tortured etc.

Yet migrants who come here have the right to live their lifestyle that NO AUSTRALIANS WANT here???

[ajb2066]

You would never survive in an Arab country. Don't talk to me about possibly being tortured. Australia has been supporting the USA and their so called "war on terror". Rounding people up, detaining them without trial, denying legal representation and torturing them. This is really happening. Not just a possibility. I want multiculturalism in this place. And I am not alone. I would prefer to have a Chinese, Arab, Greek or Italian living next door to me than some lunatic Anglo type like you.

[Steven2690]

But you see you not adressing what I said

Your just dribbling on crap to try to divert your way from the main substance of what I have just said in my previous posts like how Australia is not a democracy anymore becuase the majority of ppl arent getting what they want, because You know I am right and you are wrong so the best u can to is try to change the subject, typical

"I want multiculturalism in this place"

Yeah you might but why should you as a minority be put ahead of the majority?

[ajb2066]

How do you figure that you and your racist ideas are part of a "majority"? All you are quoting is the figures you have sourced from the ninemsn website poll. Whatever the outcome was on their poll, it does not constitute a majority. And I am not diverting from any argument you have tried to make here. YOU have never explained why you think that you have some sort of divine right to dictate who can immigrate to this place and how they should dress and live their lives when they get here.

[Steven2690]

Ok in that poll 80 000 people said No, thats a very big sample size, If the results were 51/49, 52/48 or even 53/47 and with a much smaller sample size you would say ok there may be some doubt.

Could you imagine if an election was about to be called with a two party prefered 76/24 with a sample size of over 100 thousand,

It would be all over red rover, You know that so dont try to twist thing your making yourself sould even more stupid

[Steven2690]

I have explanied to you who should immigrate here I said anyone who will asimilate into Australian culture and Australian values regardless of ethnic background.

I have no problem with Australia being a multiracial country but i hate Australia being multicultural, and thats how the majority of Australian feel

[Steven2690]

ok 100 000 people answered that poll do you know what that equals up to be? 1 in 200 Australians

Yes 1 in 200 Australians answered that poll

That sample size is huge and the result was so clear its not funny

I think you should just respect democracy putting aside your own personal opinions on the issue and agree that what the majority of Australians should get what they want if you dont then your a COMMUNIST

[Steven2690]

Look you brick head

Do you not understand anything about sample sizes you moron? your ignorance is starting to get annoying.

If 1 in 200 Australians say 76 percent of something then 100percent of Australians say 76 percent

Why dont you go and research "RELIABLE SAMPLE SIZE" you moron because you know I am putting you in a corner on this argument and you know I am right and ur wrong your last response was a piss weak effort you have try better because I will always win the argument son

[ajb2066]

You are right. It is me that should be taking medication. I am insane for bothering to argue with you. Because it is a waste of time arguing with an idiot / fascist. Whoever may be watching will simply think that two idiots are arguing. You go back to watching a current affair. Channel nine will tell you everything you need and want to know. But just remember, not everyone in this society is as ignorant, stupid and misinformed as you and your co-viewers.

[Steven2690]

This country isnt a democracy anymore

Like I gave you the links showing most Australians dont want muslim women to wear the headgear 76 percent or whatever it is,

Nothing will be done about because we have piss weak governments (Labor or Liberal) that will not enforce what the majority want

I find it sad because we arent a democracy anymore, becuase if the 2 parties want something and the majority of Australians dont then we the people arent getting what we want.

THATS NO DEMOCRACY

[ajb2066]

76% of the people who voted on a ninemsn website poll is not a majority. All that proves is that 100% of the people who participated in the poll are ignorant. Stupid for visiting that site in the first place. Why does that website focus on the head wear of Muslim women anyway? Because they know that it is an issue with which they can easily gain support from ignorant people. You claim to be in favor of democracy? What about the freedom and liberty of the Muslim woman to wear what they choose?

[Steven2690]

Look you know very well that it would be about 76percent give or take, you know that, the truth be known it would probably be more because the left tend to scream the loudest on those issues.

Yes I am in support of democracy if the majority of Australians dont want them to wear it then it should be law for it to be BANNED thats democracy I hate to tell you, Minorities getting their own way isnt democracy you might hate it but its true.

[Steven2690]

Yes I would reject the muslim school

DO you know why?

Because those people who want to send their kids there are RACIST because they only want to send their children there to be with their own kind

I support these people to asimilate into mainstream Australia and go to school with Australian children so they asimilate

Yet you call me a racist for this?

When in fact they are the racist ones for trying to segragate themslves

If they want a muslim school they should stay in muslim country

[ajb2066]

Of course you would reject the Muslim school. You want everyone to end up like you. Lunatics. The Muslim people who propose the school pay their rates and taxes, want to comply with the regulations, but of course, that's not good enough for you. If they don't comply with your idea of appropriate, they are not welcome. You are very sick. You require more than just psychological help. Your brain is completely wired up the wrong way. You should be taking medication. Very powerful tranquillizers.

[Steven2690]

And your saying that I am sick and need psychological help

Well then basically what your saying is that 90 percent of Australians are sick and need psychological help because thats the way about 90 percent of the population feels.

Its only the 10percent loonie left that scream the loudest and usually get their way that fucks things up for everyone

[ajb2066]

Your fear and hatred of people who come from different cultures is irrational and sick. 90% of Australians are not racist, although I do agree that you are not in the minority. 90% of Australians, including you, are ignorant and misinformed from watching too much commercial television. But that's the way the ruling class want you to be. You're too busy squabbling with people from the same class as you to take a look at what's really going on. The ruling class is your enemy, not foreigners.

[Steven2690]

Your a moron a dead set moron

What do u mean "You're too busy squabbling with people from the same class as you"

And I am going to send you a link to prove that most Australians do feel the exact same way as I do from the ninemsn poll just a few days ago.

[ajb2066]

You are so ignorant and badly informed from a wasted life of watching and believing channel nine. You have no idea what class of society you belong too. It is disgraceful that you are so poorly educated, but even more disappointing that you display your lack of knowledge and your twisted and sick mentality here for the whole world to see. While you argue your case for a 21st century white Australia policy, international you tube users and those who are controlling your life are laughing at you.

[Steven2690]

HAHA your a fuckwit

I have explained to you about sample size and you are moving away from the FACTS that I put to you because you don't like them and all your doing is just dribbling SHIT with absolutely NO SUBSATNCE whilst I actually provide you with FACTS

u moron

[ajb2066]

You are the moron. You have no life experience and you don't realise how insignificant you are because of your ignorance. What you and 76,000 misinformed channel nine viewers in australia think does not even rate a mention in international terms. Here is a fact for you. There were MILLIONS of sick and twisted nazis who supported adolf hitler in the 1930's and 1940's. But they were defeated. You and your narrow minded fellow channel nine viewers will meet a similar fate.

[Steven2690]

"While you argue your case for a 21st century white Australia policy"

Quote me where I said that?

If you actually read what I said you fuckwit:

"I dont give a fuck what colour a persons skin is and I will never hate an individual based on their skin colour"

Yet you feel the need to make BULLSHIT up on the spot thats NOT TRUE and the you can't backup

You wouldnt make a good journlist because if a journlist makes up SHIT that isnt true and can't be proven then they have no CREDABILITY

[ajb2066]

You discriminate against people based on their cultural background. RACISM. You argue that asylum seekers should only be allowed into australia based on your criteria. Given the murderous history and discrimination against Aboriginals, that concept is ABSURD. You also argue that when new immigrants are living here, they should relinquish their own culture and have your idea of an appropriate culture forced upon them. Again, this is RACISM. Your behaviour exactly fits the definition of racism.

[Steven2690]

And they are Fucken illegal u idiot

They didnt seek the correct avenues to come to this country the correct way

What cant u understand about that?

[votelittlejohnnyout]

Any chance GetUp could get this onto prime-time television?

[queendoll]

Angleboot, your words are so fearful. In a wealthy country of 20+ million, there is no reason why we should deny persons who seek asylum (look it up) in Australia. They are few in number, invariably risk-takers (a desirable attribute), often parents with children and usually legitimately seeking refuge from societies which would treat them much the way you would. Given our resources, we are well able to deal with those who may be undeserving opportunists.

[ANGLEBOOT]

If someone seeks asylum, put thm in a asylum. Many us that as a reason to invade another country.

But to have millions come to another country looking for a free ride is not an asylum. They should show that just moving to another copuntry is no easy ride. It would have been better to stay where they were and fight for freedom that to move to another country to try and take away the freedom of other countries.

[Mira8128]

I have visited many detention centres, and they made me ashamed to be Australian. We need a second Sorry Day- and these people should be compensated. If animals were treated this way everyone would have been up in arms- what is UP with that???

Mira Wroblewski

[irooklad]

I regard mandatory detention as a national shame and must be stoped.

Francis Brown

[retephslaw]

a little harsh agleboot but i agree with your main point - if you come to Australia illegally then you are breaking the law and will be put into detention before being possessed to see whether you will be aloud to stay or if you will be deported. Is it really so inhumane ? They are fed , given shelter , sanitation. The only suffering these people endure while in Australia is self inflicted. They hunger strike etc because they want to get there own way , like a child at a supermarket.

[Mira8128]

It is LEGAL to apply for asylum in Australia.We are signatories to the United Nations Refugee Convention. We should honour it! Locking people up in these harsh conditions (and I have been there myself) is like sticking a "Safe House" sticker on your letter box, then when someone knocks for help- shoving them in a cage for years.Come on Australia, keep your word!

[ANGLEBOOT]

GETUP! it should read, "GIVEUP". If you come to a country illegaly. There is nothing wrong with. That's what we need here in the USA. But leave them there for about 10 years. And only on bread and water at hard labor.

If the want to come here like some kind of wild dog. Then treat them that way.

[Mira8128]

It is LEGAL to apply for asylum in Australia.We are signatories to the United Nations Refugee Convention. We should honour it! Locking people up in these harsh conditions (and I have been there myself) is like sticking a "Safe House" sticker on your letter box, then when someone knocks for help- shoving them in a cage for years.Come on Australia, keep your word!