What I meant to say was instead of basteria, that would have to transfered to the fridge from unclean hands and so on, but that's what digestive enzymes are for, it's fungi that can thrive in cool dark places and spores can be p/u from just about anywhere. There are more Fungi in the environment than one can count and that's about it. I mean maintain healthy protocols and it shouldn't be problem, after all you can always disinfect the fridge with bleach and h2o or vinegar from time2time.
60 degrees is NOT sufficient for ALL foods. Correctly prepared cheese and butter is fine, but not ALL foods. Your "danger zone" for food born illness is 40-140 degrees.
To the naysayers: I think the video makes a very important point - think outside the box (no pun intended). How much money (i.e. electricity) could this country save if when the outside temperature dropped low enough your refrigerator shut off and a little fan, connected to an outside vent, kicked on and pumped cold air into your refrigerator (or freezer when the temp is low enough)? We waste so much energy putting a box designed to keep things cold inside a box designed to stay warm.
What a great idea. It could be greatly improved upon with some simple tweaks. Use a box with the opening on the top instead of on the side, and use better insulation than what they had in the thirties such as styrofoam, and a counter-current exchange for optimal heat removal (i.e. coil the pipe arround the sides starting from the bottom and spiraling upward toward the top). These things will make a BIG difference. I love this idea! Very inovative.
My husband thought to attach the clear hosing to the pump at the well so that every time the pump comes on it would recirculate the water in the fridge first. Really, you don't need it to be any colder than that. Great Idea!
Maybe I'm mistaken but folks would want to keep things at 42 degrees to mid 30's for food preservation. But hey with a little tweaking you could shave off a few degrees. A small pump to increase flow; more insulation; more rows of piping with aluminum backing.
What? 60 degrees is cool enough to keep cheese from spoiling? I thought it had to be below 40-something? Does that mean I could turn my refrigerator up, or is there some food that will spoil if it's not kept at normal refrigerator temperatures?
You need to research on microorganisms that thrive at that temp. range and consider trying to bring your temp down a few more degrees, perhaps some kind of insulation that would trap the cooler air that your refridgeration unit is producing.
@zaldumbide13 Actually... They don't need to research anything. They seem to be content with their findings. Perhaps you need to do research on whatever it is that you see fit.
Milk/cheese kept in "refigeration" that is 60* on a warm day? Um, I think that would spoil quickly. This is a nice idea in theory, and I will not make fun of this ingenuity, but, practical? The vote is out on that for anything viable for the population. Just a plain ice box would be nice, I mean, if you could store ice, like they do for country ice cream socials by sawing ice and saving it in sawdust, well, this is QUITE another colored horse. What do you think, seriously. It's done here!
Great! Now everyone on earth can move to a plot of land with a natural spring and we can all have free natural refrigeration! Thank the hippies for another world saving idea.
@MrFWard86 Some people are able to learn new things. Some people have mystical powers that prevent it.
A lot of homesteaders have a spring. And this is something that is a solution for those people. And, it gives information that makes me think of several other things that would work almost as well in places where there are not springs.
@paulwheaton12 There's usually underground water if you dig down deep enough for a well. What is a well but a man-made spring, really? Great idea! I actually helped dig one of those old fashioned hand pumped wells. Hard work, but so satisfying. Appropriate technology that uses the Earth's forces to save money and energy? Thanks, hippies.
@paulwheaton12 You could take your ordinary mains cold water supply and run it around the inside of the fridge so that every time you turned on a tap, ran the shower, etc, the water you're using would flow through the fridge first.
@robzrob oooo nifty idea, but you would warm your fridge if the water is warmer then the fridge. your fridge is supost to be at 45 but there water is at 47 !
Why are people such haters.....rather than ask intelligent questions all I see are ignorant remarks, from people who think they already know the answers.
@MrFTard86 No,Its meant to work for some people and others like you will die off.And for good reason.I didnt see anywhere where it said for everyone.What they are doing and many others including myself,We are targeting people like you,Who will fuck up everything in the future with your closed minded bigot type of racism and weed you out of the picture for a better and peaceful world.So dont make any long term plans.Good Days to you MrFTard86
@BlindBob1 Nothing but lead for my friend MrFTurd86.I wont even anwser the door.Just a friendly You have 10 sec to leave.Im not saying I wont help people,But if they cant help themselvs than I cant help them either.Every member of my tribe has dutys.And we all depend on them to be done.Its very hard work.I already take care of a dependant person and I cant have another unless its one of mine.Peace Brother.
@MrFWard86 LOL funny - I'm not sure they really intended this to be a fix for everyone. Seems to me that this is only good as a second fridge - as you really do need the colder temps to keep most things fresh.
@MrFWard86 Wait a minute... So just because someone lives in a rural area, and chooses to be more self sufficient makes them a hippy? God I can't wait to get my own plot of land and get away from idiots like yourself.
@MrFWard86 If the water table is low you can dig a root cellar and put a cistern down there. Collected rainwater can improve cooling the same way. Houses used to be built with cellars and cisterns as a matter of course. Search "shabestan" to see what an ancient and effective method it is. Nowadays we just put everything on a concrete slab, run AC in the summer until we're broke, and waste entirely too much water.
@MrFWard86 You don't need a natural spring, you can collect and filter water with drums. You don't even need a fridge like this, you can set up self sufficient electricity from solar, wind, water power and have an electric fridge.
@paulwheaton12 Hahahaha, great idea. Way to look at what you've got and putting it to use for yourself. There isn't one solution that is going to work for everyone and this shows the ingenuity needed to live off from your own land.
I actually have a Montgomery Ward's icebox that looks like this fridge that was built as an icebox. The Amish take modern refrigerators and use the freezer compartment for the ice and put the food below just like you did here but you added the box on top. I don't have sound so couldn't hear what you said but it looked interesting. My grandparents just kept their food down in the cistern in warm weather in a big bucket hanging on a rope.
Well now that the fridge door has been open for the entire length of this video, it should only take about three weeks to get it back down to 60 degrees
@paulwheaton12 new video title "gravity powered refrigeration" ;) sounds cool too. "refrigeration without electricity" would also work, but good stuff regardless.
My mama had an icebox back in 1960 on the farm. She had a security system. In the drip tray she had her pet snapping turtle. She fed him scraps like veggies and meat. he would not snap at her, but us kids did not go near. Kept my brothers from letting the cold out by opening it to snitch snacks.
The cool box reminded me of the old "Icy ball" refrigeration my pop used to tell me about. I know it's different because the icy ball used ammonia but still the concept of the cool box came from free thinking individuals who wanted a fridge without using electricity so they figured out how to do it. This was great!
To improve the heat exchange, you are gonna want to increase the surface area of the "chiller coil", so I would use something like an old air conditioner coil and run it through that, even though it seems like the flow would be restricted, thats fine, cause the radiator coils will cool much much much much much more efficiently. Its all about surface area when you are talking about heat exchange.
Is that plastic pipe? Any flavor of metal pipe would give you 10X the heat transfer. Not griping, the styling and function of that unit is brilliant. Where I live in Nevada, keeping yourself and your food cold is a very non-sustainable activity. The city would never issue a permit for a well no matter what you were going to use it for.
Is the piping inside the unit PEX? if so, it has a much higher insulation rating than say, copper or aluminum. Might be able to get more cooling efficiency from switching it to a more thermal conductive material inside the box. My Grandfather used to tell me about a grocer that would "harvest" ice blocks during the winter and put them in a pit with a copper coil wound around the walls. Then during the warm months he would pipe water through the coil and to his "chiller box" to cool his good
@forgreenies there is a massive thread in the forums at permies dot com called something like "keeping your stuff cold". How cold does it get on your coldest day?
I had just started reading your wofati article, hadn't gotten to the "wofati freezer definition" section.
so, yes, like the wofati freezer/cooler. Have you seen anyone build something like that into an existing home? I would think that in zone 6 and below you could shift from a conventional fridge/freezer to one of these in the winter. not running those two appliances in the winter could amount to huge energy savings unless i'm not thinking it all the way through.
Do appreciate this video, Give's me an idea on what to do if I have a chance to get my hands on another one of these Refrigerators, missed out last year only because I didn't have a place to store it! Gotta love that archaic wonder. And I can honestly say, I see people Doing just that back then too. :)
I had to laugh at myself. I was thinking, "Well that's no good to store your left overs!" Then it dawned on me. Left overs are stupid. It's called portion control. Something we have lost sight of because we have such a great plenty. This is a really creative use of what they have. People amaze me. Great job to those folks! It makes me wonder if evaporation would work to cool an earthen container well enough to keep milk and cheese and kraut...
Marina responds - The only food poisoning issues I've experienced in my years of living without a "real fridge" have come from cooked beans. I now always stir a spoonful of miso into cooled beans, and they keep much longer at warmer temperatures. I have the "bad bean" smell memorized and feed those beans to the compost pile. We don't expect leftovers to last for weeks, but we frequently cook enough staples to feed us for 2-3 days and our cool box is perfectly adequate.
@marinajade2010 My wife is trying to get me to think about portion size so we don't create left overs, and I don't eat too much. I already look a bit like the Michelin Man! ;-)
Hi there! Okay help me out on this. For someone who had been brought up on the food safety side, can you tell me about or point me to some resources regarding tempurature control? I always learned that refrigeration should be below 40 degrees. Really want to learn more about this. love it. thanks!
Marina responding - We've found that 40 degrees is necessary if you're eating feces-laden factory farmed meat and pus filled milk from CAFO cows - that's not what we eat. We use this cool box to for short term storage of cleanly butchered meat and clean milk from healthy animals who spend most of their lives on pasture - and we never have a problem with things going bad before we have a chance to consume them. Low temperatures inhibit pathogens that are not present in our food, period.
have you ever run into someone utilizing the cold air from outside in the winter to cool a refrigerator-like-container in a home? I saw something on discovery a couple years back about a company that was selling huge systems to do that for large facilities. I imagine something insulated well and designed with a root-cellar-like air intake vent would work well. you would just need a thermostat and a flap to keep the temperature regulated. No one likes frozen Cheese.
What I meant to say was instead of basteria, that would have to transfered to the fridge from unclean hands and so on, but that's what digestive enzymes are for, it's fungi that can thrive in cool dark places and spores can be p/u from just about anywhere. There are more Fungi in the environment than one can count and that's about it. I mean maintain healthy protocols and it shouldn't be problem, after all you can always disinfect the fridge with bleach and h2o or vinegar from time2time.
zaldumbide13 17 hours ago
it should be About 40 degrees
Impaler1984 1 week ago
60 degrees is NOT sufficient for ALL foods. Correctly prepared cheese and butter is fine, but not ALL foods. Your "danger zone" for food born illness is 40-140 degrees.
chrisdsanders 1 week ago
I want this for my computer....yes Im a nerd.
overclockedamd123 1 week ago
mmmmm cheese
guitarplayer123 1 week ago
To the naysayers: I think the video makes a very important point - think outside the box (no pun intended). How much money (i.e. electricity) could this country save if when the outside temperature dropped low enough your refrigerator shut off and a little fan, connected to an outside vent, kicked on and pumped cold air into your refrigerator (or freezer when the temp is low enough)? We waste so much energy putting a box designed to keep things cold inside a box designed to stay warm.
BillGoose1313 1 week ago 6
@BillGoose1313 i gave an upvote. well put.
paulwheaton12 1 week ago
What a great idea. It could be greatly improved upon with some simple tweaks. Use a box with the opening on the top instead of on the side, and use better insulation than what they had in the thirties such as styrofoam, and a counter-current exchange for optimal heat removal (i.e. coil the pipe arround the sides starting from the bottom and spiraling upward toward the top). These things will make a BIG difference. I love this idea! Very inovative.
Sheikyerbouti8 1 week ago
As of this viewing, there are 14 morons that have watched this video.
tomperanteau 2 weeks ago
I work at a grocery- and most of the refrigerators are set around 36-40 degrees. So this is perfectly safe for your refrigerated foods.
angelcarnivore 2 weeks ago
My husband thought to attach the clear hosing to the pump at the well so that every time the pump comes on it would recirculate the water in the fridge first. Really, you don't need it to be any colder than that. Great Idea!
artsychic2000 2 weeks ago
Maybe I'm mistaken but folks would want to keep things at 42 degrees to mid 30's for food preservation. But hey with a little tweaking you could shave off a few degrees. A small pump to increase flow; more insulation; more rows of piping with aluminum backing.
Neat idea though.....:>)
1timby 2 weeks ago
What? 60 degrees is cool enough to keep cheese from spoiling? I thought it had to be below 40-something? Does that mean I could turn my refrigerator up, or is there some food that will spoil if it's not kept at normal refrigerator temperatures?
IntarwebUser 2 weeks ago
You need to research on microorganisms that thrive at that temp. range and consider trying to bring your temp down a few more degrees, perhaps some kind of insulation that would trap the cooler air that your refridgeration unit is producing.
zaldumbide13 2 weeks ago
@zaldumbide13 Actually... They don't need to research anything. They seem to be content with their findings. Perhaps you need to do research on whatever it is that you see fit.
tomperanteau 2 weeks ago
so its a cooler?
matthockleeyvictoria 2 weeks ago
LOVE THIS
racmop1 3 weeks ago
the girl looked hot. wish we got to see more of her.
9thchild 4 weeks ago
Milk/cheese kept in "refigeration" that is 60* on a warm day? Um, I think that would spoil quickly. This is a nice idea in theory, and I will not make fun of this ingenuity, but, practical? The vote is out on that for anything viable for the population. Just a plain ice box would be nice, I mean, if you could store ice, like they do for country ice cream socials by sawing ice and saving it in sawdust, well, this is QUITE another colored horse. What do you think, seriously. It's done here!
chivone21 1 month ago
60 degrees? lol no thanks.
RumbleTouchDroid 1 month ago
Great! Now everyone on earth can move to a plot of land with a natural spring and we can all have free natural refrigeration! Thank the hippies for another world saving idea.
MrFWard86 1 month ago
@MrFWard86 Some people are able to learn new things. Some people have mystical powers that prevent it.
A lot of homesteaders have a spring. And this is something that is a solution for those people. And, it gives information that makes me think of several other things that would work almost as well in places where there are not springs.
paulwheaton12 1 month ago 9
@paulwheaton12 There's usually underground water if you dig down deep enough for a well. What is a well but a man-made spring, really? Great idea! I actually helped dig one of those old fashioned hand pumped wells. Hard work, but so satisfying. Appropriate technology that uses the Earth's forces to save money and energy? Thanks, hippies.
jeffdustin 1 month ago
@paulwheaton12 You could take your ordinary mains cold water supply and run it around the inside of the fridge so that every time you turned on a tap, ran the shower, etc, the water you're using would flow through the fridge first.
robzrob 1 month ago 3
@robzrob oooo nifty idea, but you would warm your fridge if the water is warmer then the fridge. your fridge is supost to be at 45 but there water is at 47 !
astrialkil 1 month ago
Why are people such haters.....rather than ask intelligent questions all I see are ignorant remarks, from people who think they already know the answers.
donvee2000 3 weeks ago
@donvee2000 Paulwheaton12 applaud your kind resonses to those who lack the humility to ask questions.
donvee2000 3 weeks ago
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donvee2000 3 weeks ago
@paulwheaton12 That’s true, it can be an disfunctional endocannabinoid system that prevents it. If you need more examples, well look in politics.
TerrierBram 2 weeks ago
@MrFTard86 No,Its meant to work for some people and others like you will die off.And for good reason.I didnt see anywhere where it said for everyone.What they are doing and many others including myself,We are targeting people like you,Who will fuck up everything in the future with your closed minded bigot type of racism and weed you out of the picture for a better and peaceful world.So dont make any long term plans.Good Days to you MrFTard86
semiLivedj 1 month ago 3
@semiLivedj dam right!
jcb570 1 month ago
@semiLivedj Mr Tard will be among the first to show up at the door looking for a handout or, more likely, a chance to steal.
BlindBob1 4 weeks ago
@BlindBob1 Nothing but lead for my friend MrFTurd86.I wont even anwser the door.Just a friendly You have 10 sec to leave.Im not saying I wont help people,But if they cant help themselvs than I cant help them either.Every member of my tribe has dutys.And we all depend on them to be done.Its very hard work.I already take care of a dependant person and I cant have another unless its one of mine.Peace Brother.
semiLivedj 4 weeks ago
@MrFWard86 LOL funny - I'm not sure they really intended this to be a fix for everyone. Seems to me that this is only good as a second fridge - as you really do need the colder temps to keep most things fresh.
AMilitantAgnostic 1 month ago
@MrFWard86 I like to keep my frig at like 32...Milk is only drinkable when its ice cold!
Dexxxter7780 3 weeks ago
@MrFWard86 Wait a minute... So just because someone lives in a rural area, and chooses to be more self sufficient makes them a hippy? God I can't wait to get my own plot of land and get away from idiots like yourself.
Eledaraumar 3 weeks ago
@MrFWard86 If the water table is low you can dig a root cellar and put a cistern down there. Collected rainwater can improve cooling the same way. Houses used to be built with cellars and cisterns as a matter of course. Search "shabestan" to see what an ancient and effective method it is. Nowadays we just put everything on a concrete slab, run AC in the summer until we're broke, and waste entirely too much water.
BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 3 weeks ago
@MrFWard86 You don't need a natural spring, you can collect and filter water with drums. You don't even need a fridge like this, you can set up self sufficient electricity from solar, wind, water power and have an electric fridge.
FeralTyneMan 3 weeks ago
like the fourth video that was recommended to me from you paul.. i finally subscribed :)
erikofthenorse 1 month ago
ummmmm what are you using to pump the water????? An "ELECTRIC" water pump maybe?????
MysticKnight38 1 month ago
@MysticKnight38 gravity. they have a spring uphill of the fridge.
paulwheaton12 1 month ago 13
@paulwheaton12
HA!
Rofocowboy84 1 month ago
@paulwheaton12 People dont seem to know what a "spring" is !
astrialkil 1 month ago
@paulwheaton12 Hahahaha, great idea. Way to look at what you've got and putting it to use for yourself. There isn't one solution that is going to work for everyone and this shows the ingenuity needed to live off from your own land.
HeyLookWhatICanDo 1 week ago
I actually have a Montgomery Ward's icebox that looks like this fridge that was built as an icebox. The Amish take modern refrigerators and use the freezer compartment for the ice and put the food below just like you did here but you added the box on top. I don't have sound so couldn't hear what you said but it looked interesting. My grandparents just kept their food down in the cistern in warm weather in a big bucket hanging on a rope.
oldtimeway1 1 month ago
Food temperature danger zone disaster.
MysticalAbe 2 months ago
If the water is 47F, then you could chill it to 40F, much easier than trying to drop from 65F to 40F.
Have you seen an Australian "Coolgardie Safe"?
borderraven 2 months ago
Well now that the fridge door has been open for the entire length of this video, it should only take about three weeks to get it back down to 60 degrees
bodawg123456789 2 months ago
"Refrigerator from the 1930's" "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" Did I miss something? What is so funny about that?
SEAhris 2 months ago
and what POWERS the water pump :)?
kitsurubami 2 months ago
@kitsurubami gravity
paulwheaton12 2 months ago 12
@paulwheaton12 new video title "gravity powered refrigeration" ;) sounds cool too. "refrigeration without electricity" would also work, but good stuff regardless.
kitsurubami 2 months ago
The lifestyle is extremely interesting, but the narration is obnoxious.
GloucesterFisherman 2 months ago 9
@GloucesterFisherman ahhh yes .... refreshingly obnoxious .... so delicious ....
paulwheaton12 2 months ago 4
My mama had an icebox back in 1960 on the farm. She had a security system. In the drip tray she had her pet snapping turtle. She fed him scraps like veggies and meat. he would not snap at her, but us kids did not go near. Kept my brothers from letting the cold out by opening it to snitch snacks.
RebLin51 3 months ago
60 degrees is not a safe temp to store food at,should not be above 40.
kentwesterly 6 months ago
@kentwesterly depends on the food, and the amount of storage time desired.
paulwheaton12 6 months ago 6
The cool box reminded me of the old "Icy ball" refrigeration my pop used to tell me about. I know it's different because the icy ball used ammonia but still the concept of the cool box came from free thinking individuals who wanted a fridge without using electricity so they figured out how to do it. This was great!
johnh32156 7 months ago
To improve the heat exchange, you are gonna want to increase the surface area of the "chiller coil", so I would use something like an old air conditioner coil and run it through that, even though it seems like the flow would be restricted, thats fine, cause the radiator coils will cool much much much much much more efficiently. Its all about surface area when you are talking about heat exchange.
Kaeles 10 months ago
Is that plastic pipe? Any flavor of metal pipe would give you 10X the heat transfer. Not griping, the styling and function of that unit is brilliant. Where I live in Nevada, keeping yourself and your food cold is a very non-sustainable activity. The city would never issue a permit for a well no matter what you were going to use it for.
dadsrag 10 months ago
This is awesome. Refrigerators normally take up a lot of energy.
SuzyB1988 11 months ago
Is the piping inside the unit PEX? if so, it has a much higher insulation rating than say, copper or aluminum. Might be able to get more cooling efficiency from switching it to a more thermal conductive material inside the box. My Grandfather used to tell me about a grocer that would "harvest" ice blocks during the winter and put them in a pit with a copper coil wound around the walls. Then during the warm months he would pipe water through the coil and to his "chiller box" to cool his good
Highdoom 11 months ago
Haha. Weird how things come back. I grew up on Milk Springs rd. They used to keep their milk in the cold spring.
ibboat 1 year ago
I would like to now how we can make a cool box in a tropical country without power. Any suggestions?
forgreenies 1 year ago
@forgreenies there is a massive thread in the forums at permies dot com called something like "keeping your stuff cold". How cold does it get on your coldest day?
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12 Thanks Paul, the coolest it gets is at night, about 24〫Celcius. I'll have a look at your site
forgreenies 1 year ago
@forgreenies Insulation, Insulation, Insulation !
STARFIRESOLAR 5 months ago
My grandmother would tell me that when she was a kid, they'd often store food in containers in the stream itself.
Thanks for the idea!
AgrippasNotebook3336 1 year ago
@AgrippasNotebook3336 I have video footage of that too - I might get it uploaded a few weeks perhaps
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
@paulwheaton12
Great! I'd like to see how you guys manage keeping things dry and accessible.
Cheers!
AgrippasNotebook3336 1 year ago
I had just started reading your wofati article, hadn't gotten to the "wofati freezer definition" section.
so, yes, like the wofati freezer/cooler. Have you seen anyone build something like that into an existing home? I would think that in zone 6 and below you could shift from a conventional fridge/freezer to one of these in the winter. not running those two appliances in the winter could amount to huge energy savings unless i'm not thinking it all the way through.
JasonKlepacz 1 year ago
@JasonKlepacz at this time, I think that building one of those close to the house would be counter productive.
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
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Nice idea, will work in cold climates
sumant15 1 year ago
Nice idea, will work well in cold countries.
sumant15 1 year ago
Do appreciate this video, Give's me an idea on what to do if I have a chance to get my hands on another one of these Refrigerators, missed out last year only because I didn't have a place to store it! Gotta love that archaic wonder. And I can honestly say, I see people Doing just that back then too. :)
DengarTime 1 year ago
I had to laugh at myself. I was thinking, "Well that's no good to store your left overs!" Then it dawned on me. Left overs are stupid. It's called portion control. Something we have lost sight of because we have such a great plenty. This is a really creative use of what they have. People amaze me. Great job to those folks! It makes me wonder if evaporation would work to cool an earthen container well enough to keep milk and cheese and kraut...
docsimonson 1 year ago
Marina responds - The only food poisoning issues I've experienced in my years of living without a "real fridge" have come from cooked beans. I now always stir a spoonful of miso into cooled beans, and they keep much longer at warmer temperatures. I have the "bad bean" smell memorized and feed those beans to the compost pile. We don't expect leftovers to last for weeks, but we frequently cook enough staples to feed us for 2-3 days and our cool box is perfectly adequate.
marinajade2010 1 year ago
@marinajade2010 My wife is trying to get me to think about portion size so we don't create left overs, and I don't eat too much. I already look a bit like the Michelin Man! ;-)
docsimonson 1 year ago
@docsimonson That's the best kind of man... shade in the summer,... warmth in the winter... right?
2JobsStillPoorUSA 4 months ago
@2JobsStillPoorUSA You've met me?!?!? :)
docsimonson 4 months ago
@docsimonson LOL! A Big heart needs a substantial body to carry it around.
2JobsStillPoorUSA 4 months ago
Hi there! Okay help me out on this. For someone who had been brought up on the food safety side, can you tell me about or point me to some resources regarding tempurature control? I always learned that refrigeration should be below 40 degrees. Really want to learn more about this. love it. thanks!
yamanakakimberly 1 year ago
Marina responding - We've found that 40 degrees is necessary if you're eating feces-laden factory farmed meat and pus filled milk from CAFO cows - that's not what we eat. We use this cool box to for short term storage of cleanly butchered meat and clean milk from healthy animals who spend most of their lives on pasture - and we never have a problem with things going bad before we have a chance to consume them. Low temperatures inhibit pathogens that are not present in our food, period.
marinajade2010 1 year ago
@marinajade2010
Love it, thank you!
yamanakakimberly 1 year ago
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yamanakakimberly 1 year ago
Paul,
have you ever run into someone utilizing the cold air from outside in the winter to cool a refrigerator-like-container in a home? I saw something on discovery a couple years back about a company that was selling huge systems to do that for large facilities. I imagine something insulated well and designed with a root-cellar-like air intake vent would work well. you would just need a thermostat and a flap to keep the temperature regulated. No one likes frozen Cheese.
Thanks,
JasonKlepacz 1 year ago
@JasonKlepacz like the wofati stuff?
paulwheaton12 1 year ago
Put dry ice in there !!!!!!!
MrMADMOFO 1 year ago
That's awesome! Geo-thermal Fridge FTW!
trybal007 1 year ago