It is simply a dumb left solution to an income mobility problem. How can we close the gap between rich and poor? I guess it has become appealing for politicians to just drag the rich down than building a more competitive and efficient economy and labour which may hurt their supporters.
No no no - "Theist" is someone who believes in a deity, does not directly tie into politics. However, their are political philosopies which are "anti-clerical", generally when it conflicts with nationalism, and those which are theocracies where head's of state are also spiritual leaders: i.e. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vatican City.Though fascist regimes resisted / were anti-communist mainly due to conflicts with Russia at the time, both ideologies are strong single-party / authoritarian / totalitarian
lol.. pitting Megyn Kelly against Weiner is no contest.. she is unarmed in this fight..u won't find too many on FOX fake news that can even come close to matching wits with Weiner..99% of the FOX fake newsers are simpletons
@ladyvanda "Weiner is the best, most efficient congressman in the United States" .. If you mean as a Democrat, that's like pointing out the most intelligent person at the retard slow-time chess tournament
First of all, I Don't like the way Megyn Kelly was treated by Anthony Weiner on Fox in this interview , this guy is an A-Hold And he thinks he's better than everybody else.
The point is , it's not fair to be tax twice dead or alive. And the waste is another over paid republican that part of the problem and not part of the solution!!
This is a very rare moment. I have to agree with Megyn Kelly on this. If those earnings have already been taxed once, they should not be taxed again. If a father leaves his son five million dollars, why shouldn't his son get all five million?
Fuck the government and their taxes. You KNOW that they're spending all this shit on the military, which is the biggest waste of money possible.
@myteethareshiny Don't forget all the money that we give other countries who teach their people to hate us, or all the wast our government goes through: Limos, planes, hairstylists, dinners, voting themselves a raise every year, campaign money spent to defeat their opponents (their all the same reps and dems....pieces of garbage) so they can stay in power. These people fight to stay in power not for us at all.
Death Tax? It's like stealing from the grave, or taxing the dead man. Actually you're already taxing the future dead, because the person with the will is aware that a lot of his money is not going where he wants it. I can't see how this is right. It just pings grave robery.
@TheMrLiberty No half-sighted retards who think they can pin our problems exclusively on liberals or conservatives are what's letting bought-out politicans on both sides ruin our country.
This country is not purely capitalist nor is it socialist, never was. It's more corporatist than anything and that's a lot worse than the slider moving a slight bit towards socialism or capitalism.
@frigginjoe You are partially right. We've not been a capitalist country since Calivn Coolidge was in office. For the Better part of 100 years we have been progressive (socialist). Corporatist isn't the word, it is called Crony Capitalism or State Capitalism which is a collaboration between Big gov and Big bis which is socialism. Politicians make deals to with large corporations giving money and exempting them from taxation & regulation i.e:GM, GE, Fanni,Freddie,Amtrack,Banks,PBS,NPR, etc.
I would say "corporatism" is the correct term, as policy makes often use regulations to insulate the market from competition, think about the Vegas lobby and prohibition of online gambling. Moreover, I believe your list of corporations is NOT a good depiction, though I agree with Banks, GM, and GE for example, I feel there is a huge gap between a non-profit organization such as National Public Radio (free public service) and a for profit such as General Motors selling products.
@jahs389 It is socialism The concept of Big Gov working with BIg Bis, goes back to the 1930's it was called "State Capitalism" and it was practiced by Germany and Italy in the years prior to WW2. It is important to call it by it's proper name, "Socialism" b/c it isn't a new concept. Corporatism suggest that it is a new American Concept. NPR isn't a non profit organization it subsidy of the US gov. and b/c it carries a political agenda, it should not be funded by tax payers.
Socialism is government control of the means of productions which simply isn't the case hear. Corporatism shows a level of protectionism in what other perceive to a a "free" market. Moreover, NPR is definitely a non-profit, though it is privately and publicly funded that doesn't change it's structure. Although, it isn't deeply partisan as you suggest and even if it were that doesn't necessarily mean it would lose it's 501.C3 exemption.
@jahs389 it is socialism; on the socialist scale Communist is the extreme left, fascism is they extreme right. Mussolini defined Fascism as the collaboration between government and business. Corporatism and Protectionism are aspects of Fascism, which is a form of Socialism.
The LDS church does not, unlike Fannie,Freddie, Amtrak and NPR, depend on the federal funding. They are an independent group based ENTIRELY on private donations To compare LDS to them is absurd.
The LDS church is a tax exempt organization, though they are not funded by the government so you are right the analogy is far from perfect, they are considered a tax exempt non-profit; yet, they engage in political activity including funding candidates and ballot initiatives.
Moveover, you are misusing the word "socialism", one can think of the political scale on economic levels going from total communism/collectivism to extreme capitalism as exposed by Milton Friedman...
On the other political ideology spectrum is the role of government on social issues and civil liberties, which ranges from strongly libertarian/anarchy to extremely fascist and authoritarian. People, very often pit fascism and communism as extreme left and right, when they are both totalitarian in gov. structure. Though Nazism and Stalinism differ on economic policy they are best friends on the role of authority and gov. control.
@jahs389 no, you scale are completely off. LIbertarinism is not on the same spectrum as fascism. You are confusing the European socialist scale with the American scale. European Socialist scale: Communism_____________Fascism
American Libertarian scale Theist____________Anarchist. There is no relation between Fascism and Libertarianism They are on different spectrums
You are have made a common misconception about the authoritarian and social nature of the politcal spectrum and the economic based aspects. Collectivism / Communism is opposite to laissez-faire capitalism on one scale. Authoritatianism is opposite to Extreme civil libertarian / anarchy.
I will completely concede there is a difference between practise and theory of these ideologies, and that communism as a theory was more anarcho and stateless in nature: but in practise was widely totalitarian - compare direct democracies of small Quakers to the communist state under Stalin.
Perhaps I should stick to saying x-axis: collectivism -----> total laissez-faire capitalism, and y-axis: individualism / anarchy -----> extreme totalitarianism.
See law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/501.html, moreover, by your suggestion Churches which support a political candidate or campaign such as the LDS church should lose their tax exempt status, something I don't necessarily disagree with.
@TheMrLiberty And this is why I was asking you if you knew what socialism was. The government isn't controlling those businesses. If anything, it's the other way around.
@frigginjoe I'm going to have to agree and disaggre. True corporates have a lot of Washington in its pocket, but if we didnt have a lot of bull shit regulation, there would be no need to buy out poiticians. Too much socialism is harmful, because if you put too much burden on the private sector, lik there i now. You'll end up with a larger entitlement and government working class... And where do the gov, get its money? (Besides FED infation) PRIVATE SECTOR...
This guy, if you sak what color the sky is, will never utter the word, "blue," He's wandering all over the issue. Nerver even answered the question. I have a brother like him, and it's madness to try and discuss issues with people WHO KNOW THEIR ARGUMENT IS WRONG.
she is a ninny. what does "fairness" have to do with anything.. is it fair that one person is born rich and another poor? is it fair that african americans have a harder time getting health insurance, car insurance or mortgages? Ms. Kelly, in case you weren't paying attention in Law School, "it isn't fair" is not a valid legal argument.
@stillif I hope if you ever somehow become rich, your eatste is 100% stolen and given to a corrupt gov't waste pit. Damn you haters of economic freedom, you're the reason this country is broke!
@stillif It's the spending, not the tax rate that has broken the economy. You could tax us 100%, the political whores would still spend well over that. Get it right. I ask you, would YOU let anyone run YOUR finances in the way the politicians do?
@soco13466 No, really, its the entitlements that are breaking the economy... and why are the entitlements breaking the economy? because we make employees pay for their own retirement, when it is the employers who make the greatest profit from their labor. Until there is a distribution of fiscal responsibility that is equal to the distribution of profits, we will always end up draining the government's coffers.
Whether we should tax money that is unearned at a higher rate than money that IS earned is intuitive, but this seems to be a point of contention.
Weiner's point is that those that inherit (beneficiaries of a will) did not themselves work to earn that money, likened to a casino-winner; the testator of the will earned that money in life and was rightfully taxed. S/he died. The beneficiary did not work to earn this money and his/her inheritance will be taxed once (estate tax).
What Wiener says makes sense. The person who is dying isn't being taxed twice. We shouldn't call it the death tax or the estate tax, but rather "the inheritance tax"
@bootypicture Bullshit. I am currently handling my father's estate, and rest assured we are happy that this year there is no tax.This is wealth already earned and taxed! If your Kennedys can pass on wealth, well so can the rest of us! And don't bring up Buffet, Gates, if THEY want to give away their money, fine, but they speak for no one else. They have billions, and they'll still be wealthy if they give away most of theirs, but estates in the single digit millions aren't in the same category.
Buffett owns life insurance companies that rely on the death tax in order to sell their estate-planning businesses. Buffett made about a billion dollars off of the Wall Street bailout by investing in Goldman Sachs on the assumption Uncle Sam would bail it out. He also is planning investments in ethanol giant ADM and government-contracting leviathan General Dynamics. If your businesses’ revenue comes from the U.S. Treasury, of course you want more wealth.
Well here's the thing: I think Weiner makes a good point, but I think he could have responded better. In the ideal world, you can keep everything you earn- but in the world we live in, important services and important programs need to be funded, and some people can afford to lose the money more than others.
@coliwood I agree w/ you coliwood, we need to cut spending. But the whole budget issue isn't necessarily a spending issue but a responsibility issue. Its what govt does w/ the money. But you must understand that govt cutting spending means less jobs and worsening unemployment. I understand that and accept that but I think many people overlook the consequences. Anyway, your points right on Sell bonds and cut spending
This guy is a capital PRICK. And people vote for this. He makes a sales pitch by turning around the original question (which he refuses to answer) and his constituents buy it. Screw HIM and THEM.
@coliwood No the government didn't earn the money- whatever that means- but 1. Your dead, get over it. And 2nd if you are the child receiving, ok, the governments a little more of the money your relatives made boo whoo whoo, lets make a compromise, the receivers can choose what gov departments (like D.O. Education) the gov the money goes to? (sorta like forced charity). Neh... republican's would never go for that!
@fububalla "Whatever that Means"!? You cannot possible be that vapid!. Since I earned I say what happens to it, b/c it is mine, DEAD or ALIVE. No Compromise. This is a classic example of the Government dictating someone's life.This all goes back to what Thomas Jefferson said, 'Government has to acknowledge God', because the moment you disregard God, you disregard inalienable rights; God given rights. We are not wards or subjects of the state. Government doesn't know what's best, Barney's claim.
@coliwood Look I'm not familiar with the Jefferson quote you suggested but fair enough. The dead man earned it. Government makes money in only two ways: TAXES and BORROWING. Which one would you rather we do to put the country on a Stable path. Which one do you perfer? Are you supporting the idea that we have a state religion? And I'm the vapid one? You can't be serious?
@coliwood Ok, my bad, I didn't get what you were implying with 'Government has to acknowledge God' and what that has to do with the subject. Anyway, its an ideological difference. I believe government has a role to play and it needs taxes to do it effectively. Its not like I'm for government misusing the taxes thats why I'm all behind having transparency of where that money goes.
@fububalla Whenever the state forgets it's god, it becomes final authoritarian. Citizens no longer have rights/ individuality. they're, property. i.e. China. But, if the state recognizes a god, then it's citizen have inalienable rights; rights that the state can NEVER infringe upon. Wiener doesn't see it that way, he believes people belong to government, which is why they can justify taking away someone's inheritance. b/c the person, and the person's belongings are the of the state.
@chucknob How is it unconstitutional? interesting, it may be but how long have we had it for? Besides, why doesn't anybody want to look out for America and not only them selves. I'm not super pro estate tax but I am for balanced budgets period. We need to get the money from somewhere. Where would you perfer we get it from? Americans or the Chinese?
OK, Weiner, Let's take your Casino anaology to the next level: If someone wins $20,000 at the slots, wheather a homeless person or a billionaire, they are going to pay taxes on that unearned income. If an inheritance is truly no different, then why not tax them all? Did the recipients of a $5,000 inheritance earn what they recieved and those recieveing a 10 million dollar inheritance did not?
@Magman454 Oh, I almost forgot; It's a numbers game. You convince your lower income constituents, who far outnumber your rich ones, that taking money from the rich and giving it to the Government will somehow make them better off. You may loose the votes of your rich constituents, but gain votes from those in the lower tax brackets. At least the ones stupid enough to fall for it. Loose 10 votes to gain 1,000. Nice job, Weiner.
Depend on yourself, and the group shall be stronger for it, we don't need anyone taking our money away for the benefit of others, rather, we should be going out and choosing to help. "Faith, Hope, and Charity"
As an American citizen, it's your responsibility to manage your money regardless of your income. Taxes should be a set rate for everyone. It's not the responsibility of the government to police how money is spent after taxes are deducted. The wealthy should DECIDE whether they wish to help the less fortunate or not from the kindness of their own hearts, some would, some wouldn't . Even then there is nothing stopping the less fortunate from overcoming adversity.
@coliwood It is basic economics, you see it in absolutely every country in the world. There's a limited amount of money, so if the rich are doing extra well, it can only mean the rest of the people are doing badly. I don't understand why people in America seem to be ignorant of this very basic principle. So, if you want to bring up those at the bottom you have to take a bit from those at the top. Of course you can forget about the poor, but when that happens revolution comes and it's bloody.
those who have faired the best of all, the top 3/10% of a percent are in some way held accountable for their success then the very system of meritocracy, which allowed them to become so wealthy, will dissolve into a elitest oligarchy with a dynastic aristocracy.
You can argue what is 'fair' until you are blue in the face, without being able to prove one way or the other what is and isn't, what ought to be and what not. But what IS true is that the estate tax has stabilised America socially.
@coliwood Simply outliving your parent or the owner of the estate you are to inherit isn't earning that money either. I don't get rich from the government enforcing the estate tax but I am nonetheless better off. The money from the estate tax, trillions of dollars over the last century, have funded infrastructure, medicare, tax cuts to middle and low income earners and dozens of other expensive but necessary and beneficial social policies.
What a douchebag. He never even answered the question. Instead, he brought his own question into the debate, "How much should the tax be?" He could have replied in way, such as many have on here, why he thought the gov is entitled to tax that inherited estate. Instead, this douchebag has the same absolutist mentality that the Brittish had. Also, how does not taxing add to debt? Spending money that you don't have adds to debt; not spending money you don't have and relying on getting money.
@domstriker That's of course what they mean, that if WE keep OUR money, THEY don't get to spend it and might have to cut back on some of the GOVERNMENT services that WE are being robbed to pay for!!!! Holy shit these people are corrupt. I'm not sure Mexico has anything on us any more.
@dovie2blue In the last ten years, America has proven to be as corrupt and dirty as the lowest denominator you can pick. But what happens in Mexico may seem like petty theft when compared to what America has done. I doubt that the zetas have killed remotely as many people as America has for blood money, not only in the shape of oil, but also for drug trafficking. I don't hate America, but everyday it seems more obvious that our romantic image of it was an illusion.
@domstriker The tax money in question used to be part of the govt's budget before Bushie... Once the tax cuts were made the govt was left without the money, but with the same obligations. So what can they do? Stop spending on the obligations now that the money is not there. What are the obligations? Your health care, social security and all the things that used to go to the less privileged people. Of course the money could be taken from the military budget, which is immorally high, but no way!
@imshadi Yeah welfare = bribery. Vote for us and we will pay you. Corruption much? we're supposed to make our own way in the world, not rely on the government. In fact God tells us to rely on HIM, not anything or anyone else.
@domstriker He actually did answer the question: dead people are not taxed on anything. "Those people will be dead," Weiner clarifies for Megyn. The taxes apply to those who inherit the money, not those who are no longer living and are in no position to pay anything to anyone, or accept anything from anyone for that matter.
Weiner answered Megyn's question in five words, but she launched into a populist rant, mischaracterizing the real nature of the tax.
@Ematched@Ematched No, what she was asking is "is it fair to tax the same thing twice, just because it switches hands?"
If I worked my entire life to give my kids the best possible future after already paying my taxes, what right do they have to take that money away? And so what if I win it big at gambling, what about all the people who don't? Not to mention how incredibly rude Weiner is. He shows no class in this at all and acts like a childish brat.
@panathinakosbear Because your kids didn't work for the money. They were the result of you banging someone of the opposite sex. They had no choice in the matter, nor did they do anything to earn the inheritance, except inherit your genes. Unless you plan to leave the kids more than $6 million, your objection is pointless. Even then, the tax is modest, considering, again, the inheritors have not consciously done anything besides not make you disown them.
@Ematched What if I'm on my death bed and I give everything to them before I die, should it be taxed then? This is just another example of the government stealing from people and then making the ones they steal from look like the bad guys, as if they're some kind of Robin Hood of taxes. Who cares if the people get it just by being related? Is the US govt some kind of moral police now? Remember when the Bolsheviks villainized the rich?
@Ematched The MONEY is taxed again.. That person who saved money throughout their life and have been taxed on it should be able to give it away as pleased
@TheMrLiberty And they can, up to $6 million, without being incurring the higher rate.
It is almost irrelevant who is giving the money. It's all about the recipient. The giver is dead, therefore, untaxable. The recipient, if in the U.S., is receiving income, regardless of how you want to define it. If the parent has $100,000 in hogs to give a child, that is $100,000 in assets transferred, therefore, income, which is taxable regardless of the semantic games you want to play.
@TheMrLiberty (...cont) Just keep whining about the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Exponential self-absorption is the American way.
" 'Em demacrats is stealin all my moneys and given it to dem blacks. Dat ain't fair. I gots two jet skis and a boat to store, and dey's makin me pay taxes. Tyranny, tyranny, tyranny. I want my interstates, medical research, and medicare, but them taxes is tyranny. Rabble, rabble, rabble."
@Ematched The money is not the government's, it is the individual's and they are entitled to what money they have. Rep. Weiner, properly named, does nothing to answer the question on fairness. It is unfair. It is none of the government's business how much money people have. These failing socialist programs are bankrupting America, not the lack of tax stealing by the federal government.
@BlackRepublican2010 LOL ignorance at its most unbelievable level. this republican moneymoneymoney view is such an outdated and unsustainable concept. fighting for a balance between a strong economy and the more generalised and equal provision of public services is not socialism you mug. it helps to highten the quality of life across a whole country and to do that the rich need to be taxed more. fox works so hard to slam systems that operate much better than the american one such as the uks nhs
@Mrbigdickovich The producers who make the money will find somewhere else to go, and then who will we tax? How about all that outsourcing that has happened? Too expensive to produce here anymore the hippie police want to pc, regulate, and nerf the country to death. If we taxed the rich more we still couldn't pay off our debt. We NEED to stop being so wasteful.The quality of life here is great. I have lived in many other countries things like running water, electricity, and 911 are blessings.
@Ematched, Wrong. The money has been taxed and the taxes paid by the person who earned the money. But, you like Weiner, have a problem with people owning the fruits of their labor. You, like Weiner, believe that it is ok for the government to "Tax" an inheritance that has had the taxes paid on it already, because you and he believe that money is really yours to do with as you want to. WRONG, Fuckin' A WRONG. This isn't a Communist country yet. There shouldn't be TAX on money that's been taxed.
@perrys62008 It's an exchange of money. It's subject to taxation. There's nothing communist about a modest tax. Now, state appropriation of all inheritance would certainly be contemptable, but nothing remotely like that is happening. The person giving the money isn't taxed on the exchange. It's the recipient. It's income. It's taxable.
Well, only if the amount is over $6 million.
What we should really be focusing on is the the little bastard who took my zebra cakes in second grade.
@perrys62008 Lets not forget about state and federal jobs. Tax dollars pay those wages, and guess what? It's taxed again, and they get some great benefits. What do us stupid pesants know anyway?
@Ematched How dare this guy bad mouth our Megyn somebody get a rope and hang em, that will save the tax payers about $100.00 a year! He's lucky he;s not in Texas...Show some respect to our hostess stupid rep.
@Ematched Hey dumbass .... No he didn't answer the question - She's saying whoever inherits the money shouldn't have to pay taxes on it, and he never addressed it. It is NOT the government's money, you braindead Libtards ... And in this same clip he implies the people who had the money and died, (who's relatives inherit it) didn't earn the money! MOST of them did ... they didn't steal it, they didn't win it at the horse race, they worked their asses off all their life and earned it. Megyn wins
@Padarack1 Since I see that English is not your forte, I'll spell it out once again. It's not the recipients money until it changes hands. As such, money goes from one person to another and is, therefore, a transaction. An asset is being received, thus the recipient owes all due taxes (when the value exceeds $6 million). The person who worked for the money is not taxed, the recipient is. Weiner implied no such thing. You inferred that. The recipient is equal to the winner at the horse race.
@Padarack1 Since I see that English is not your forte, I'll spell it out once again. It's not the recipient's money until it changes hands. As such, money goes from one person to another and is, therefore, a transaction. An asset is being received, thus the recipient owes all due taxes (when the value exceeds $6 million). The person who worked for the money is not taxed, the recipient is. Weiner implied no such thing. You inferred that. The recipient is equal to the winner at the horse race.
Well the people inheriting the money didn't earn it in the same way their parents or parents-parents etc. might have. Moreover, as many large assets are in capital gains likes stocks they aren't taxed much to at all to begin with; this allows the perpetuation of wealth through generations and research shows it stymies work by future inheritors. People are already "taxed twice" as we are taxed on income and then on purchases through sales tax - this argument is misleading.
Also, both the initial earner of the wealth and the inheriting recipient use common collective items (as we all do) and have a degree of tax obligation. In order to become wealthy I assume this person used public roads, had employees that used roads, sought to have their money protected through federal regulations and laws, expected police and firefighters, as well as access to public resources such as libraries, radio bandwidth, clean air & water etc.
A lot of people seem to be preoccupied with what they think is 'fair' regarding the estate tax. Whether or not someone who is inherenting 5-10 million needs that extra 35-55%, whether they are entitled to it considering they didn't work for it, whether the government has anyplace double-dipping.
But the most important factor is that the estate tax has closed the wealth divide. The GINI index of wealth inequality for America is shameful, ending the estate tax would break social stability.
@KentRigeI "ending the estate tax would break social stability." How could that be when there is no estate tax now? The only instance in which someone may be passing on money that has not been taxed already is if they got it through an inheritance and died to pass it on, both occurring within the small window in which there was no death tax. I would bet that is a very small number.
This wiener wants to grab everyone else's money. Typical dem, typical lib. Imagine, a farm with all the acres and farm ipment is valued at 10 million but the farmer has 200 grand in the bank. He dies and leaves the farm to his children. This weiner character says you have to pay 5 million to me ala the libs in congress. Guess what, the farm goes under and this weiner character says so what, that's just too bad....NOW HAND OVER YOUR MONEY TO ME....NOW....RIGHT NOW!
@antilibercrat This country is broken. It needs money. The rich have taken and taken from everyone and they are the ones doing well in spite of everyone else being fired, foreclosed on, drowned in debt,etc. The rich themselves should figure out they are the ones who can help resuscitate America, and taxes are their contribution. Stop fighting for those who up to now haven't shown they give a damn about you or America.
@imshadi When was the last time you got hired by a poor person? What a stupid belief you have. "The Rich" pay for all the services that everyone else uses, asshole. 10% of the populace pays 70% of all taxes. You are getting a ride because there are rich people, why don't you get off your ass and try to earn your own fortune, because it's not a zero-sum game, there is enough opportunity for everyone here, or there used to be before Communists started this class war.
@dovie2blue There is not enough opportunity for everyone, asshole. The whole point of capitalism is I get rich by taking money from as many people as possible, if everyone is rich then no one is. The more fucked up people are the more money I have. That's why I don't want to pay taxes, because I give a fuck about everyone else, and if the country goes down I can go live in Europe.
@imshadi Fail. I see you have learned the liberal propaganda and class warfare of Communism. Why don't you get a head start and go to Europe now? Your statements make no sense at all. "That's why I don't want to pay taxes, because I give a f*ck about everyone?" LOLWUT? Your idea of what capitalism is is WRONG. And frankly, your type makes me sick. "If everyone is rich then no one is??" Went to public school did you?
@dovie2blue It's basic economics. People at the top can't be too rich without people at the bottom being extra poor. You see it in every country in the world. Why do you think the richest man on earth is from Mexico? If the rich don't pay taxes then the whole of society just crashes, that's why the french revolution happened, that's why America seceded from Britain. It is not class warfare, it is social stability. BTW, I have my degree and I own an VFX company, so shut up.
Anthony Weiner is such a dick. What a typically liberal obnoxious jerk. Megyn should have just cut the interview "GET THE HELL OFF MY SHOW AND DON'T COME BACK UNTIL YOU LEARN TO BE CIVIL AND ARE WILLING TO ANSWER EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF QUESTIONS WITHOUT RESORTING TO YOUR POLITICAL BULLSHIT RHETORIC." Of course I wouldn't last two minutes as a host so I guess you have to have infinite patience with people like this jerk.
@antilibercrat I for one am happy to see someone actually treat them with the same respect they give others (which is none, unless they agree with everything they say).
And honestly what should it matter whether it's going to your kids or not. You could be giving away all of your belongings to charity. almost half of it STILL goes to the government. Stop assuming that everybody is giving it to their kids, and focus on the fact that YOUR STUFF IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT.
@DrumminBird Similar taxes exist in every major country in the world. If people don't like taxes then they should go live on an island. If you want to live in America you have to contribute. You don't deserve to be called a citizen if you don't want to play by the rules of the house.
@imshadi You missed the point...typical. It's not about not wanting to pay taxes at all, it's about when I die and give my money to whomever I deem should have it, my money that's already been taxed is being taxed AGAIN. Even worse, once whoever I gave it to has the money and spends it, it's taxed AGAIN! I'm fine with paying taxes to help my country, but when it get's to the point where I'm giving them triple that, that's when I cry foul. Did we learn nothing from the revolutionary war?
I can't believe so many agree with a DEATH tax. Really? When you die a success in life and want to help YOUR kids with their lives by giving them what you earned I doubt any of you are going to be happy when Uncle Sam is asking for a 45% cut. When you earn your money through a job or gambling or any other legal way, it's taxed already. Anything remaining afterwards is YOURS, and should be dealt with how you want, free from the hands of a greedy government running us into the ground.
I'm sure many would call Jefferson & other Founders Socialist because they were extremely opposed to great wealth being passed from generation to generation, but they thought it'd be a great danger to our country if we became like Europe - wIth most of the wealth held by a small % of the population.
Please don't bring up our Founders when defending Inheritance w/ no tax, here is a quote from Thos. Jefferson:
"I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self evident, "that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. The portion occupied by an individual ceases to be his when himself ceases to be, and reverts to the society"
Our founders were very opposed to inheritance allowing great wealth to be held by a few.
@DillonDee1 -- I didn't bring up the Founders -- YOU DID. Since we're on the topic of them, it's important to realize that they were a mixed bag, and full of contradictions -- just like we are. For all of your supposed knowledge of exactly what they thought about wealth, they were quite wealthy, and passed it on to their heirs for what it's worth. Jefferson on the other hand, didn't have much of an estate to pass on since he spent more than what he ever had and left mountains of debt.
This Wiener truly is a wiener. I'll bet little girls beat him up in the school yard and now it's his opportunity to show off his arrogance without fear of being slapped. Watch out Wiener. Somewhere sometime your going to treat someone badly with your arrogance and it'll backfire on you. You little snit.
He ought to be called Anthony Wienerhead. He won't answer her question because he can't justify the double taxation on the death tax. He's got that attitude like he thinks he's better than everyone else. A lot of congressmen/women do though. I'd have given him a lot more hell than Meagan did if I were the anchor.
"The essence of the American experiment is our collective rejection of European hereditary aristocracy and grotesque inequalities of wealth. When Alexis de Tocqueville visited the United States in the mid-nineteenth century, he noted that equality of condition permeated the American spirit: "The American experiment presupposes a rejection of inherited privilege."
@JamMessiahJC -- I'm fairly certain de Tocqueville was referring to America's departure from the idea of Kings and Queens ruling the country until the end of time thanks only to the luck of birthright.
@Beemnseven Inherited privilege means only one thing here and in China. If you want to change the meaning to fit your wishes then you are on your own.
@JamMessiahJC Yeah that sure didn't mean that they were OK with the FEDERAL government seizing the property of citizens after they died. Are you kidding.
Our founding fathers - including Jefferson, Adams, & Franklin- cautioned that a huge er to our country would be the concentration of wealth into the hands of a few.
Today the top 1% has 40% of the wealth.
The top 10% owns 75% ofthe wealth
And the bottom 40% has 1% of the wealth.
This is not healthy.
The inc. tax & inheritance tax proposals will only make the situation worse.
@DillonDee1 -- And according to the left, the only way to remedy that is for the government to take money away from those who have earned it, and give it to those who didn't. The Founders warned against that too.
@Beemnseven -- Warren Buffett & Bill Gates have indicated they don't believe huge estates should be passed on to children who've done nothing to earn it.
Thomas Jefferson and other Founders of our country held the same view.
@DillonDee1 -- I know how Buffett and Gates feel, and I disagree with them. As for Jefferson, I find it difficult to accept his definition of what is and isn't "moral" since he was banging his slaves.
@Beemnseven - As a decendent of Thom. Jefferson, I've never seen any evidence that he was "banging his slaves". But he did have an affair with his deceased wife's half sister who was a slave.
And I have seen evidence Jefferson would not agree w/ the Republicans on inheritance.
@DillonDee1 -- and do you believe the Founders would agree with Democrats and their views on gun control or homosexual rights? How about the way they felt about voting rights for women or minorities? Are we supposed to defer to the way they looked at things more than 200 years ago?
@Beemnseven - I've heard Glenn Beck bragging about Jefferson & I'm sure he'd agree w/ him on most social issues, but when it comes to Jefferson's view that gov't should discourage wealth from being concentrated in the hands of a few I doubt he would.
I suspect he'd also not share Jefferson's view of abortion.
@Beemnseven No, we are supposed to be smarter, but since our education sucks and we are fed lies our entire lives I guess that failed. So we better stick to what those men said because they were really smart and had a great education.
how can a person possibly keep a straight face when making a "morality" argument against the estate tax? a moral approach to taxation would be taxing the rich out of existence entirely.
Weiner and the liberals are thieves. They have zero right to what people have earned. If the estate tax is such a good and fair tax, why not take 50% of all estates. from $1 on up?... see how much outrage there is from the general public if they got treated like the those that have earned more than the average American. Weiner is an immoral thief. He should learn from his mistakes. Every time he debates Megyn she reveals his intellectual shortcomings.
Im not even american, and still I wonder, how do americans think they can reduce their debt if not by taxes? Its amazing to see morons actually try to debate against weiner, when his opinion actually is the only rational one. Cant believe your not getting guys like Weiner and Ron paul to run for president and actually winning.
@malatir Because it is not our debt. The government caused the debt not the people! If the people employed in the government ran the government like a business instead of a free ride; free to throw tax payers money where ever the hell they want so they can suck up to people with big money that supports them in their campaigns to get re-elected...we wouldnt have the problems we have now!!! They dont know how to manage the huge amount of money they get from the American people.
@malatir Ummmm... maybe by CUTTING GOVERNMENT SPENDING???? What a concept. Why don't you keep your ideas to yourself since you have no freaking idea what being an American means.
It is simply a dumb left solution to an income mobility problem. How can we close the gap between rich and poor? I guess it has become appealing for politicians to just drag the rich down than building a more competitive and efficient economy and labour which may hurt their supporters.
TKKTism 1 month ago
weiner says the real question is just HOW MUCH TAX ? That was not the question. A true politician !!
Megyn is right she already paid tax on it. If I leave any money to my step-daughters when I die why should they be taxed ? I already paid tax on it.
masmoke123 2 months ago
@menacingshadows
hahaha. Good point.
TimeWarp66 3 months ago
@menacingshadows I guess when you have nothing to rebut an argument with one must turn to ad ad hominem attacks.
Fireflygamer 5 months ago
@menacingshadows I'm sorry you have mistaken us for someone that cares.
Fireflygamer 5 months ago
No no no - "Theist" is someone who believes in a deity, does not directly tie into politics. However, their are political philosopies which are "anti-clerical", generally when it conflicts with nationalism, and those which are theocracies where head's of state are also spiritual leaders: i.e. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vatican City.Though fascist regimes resisted / were anti-communist mainly due to conflicts with Russia at the time, both ideologies are strong single-party / authoritarian / totalitarian
jahs389 8 months ago
lol.. pitting Megyn Kelly against Weiner is no contest.. she is unarmed in this fight..u won't find too many on FOX fake news that can even come close to matching wits with Weiner..99% of the FOX fake newsers are simpletons
xadam2dudex 8 months ago
Weiner is a detestable Bolshevik Jew Fucktard. Good Riddance, dickwad.
slugworth63 9 months ago
@slugworth63
So you are a trolling anti-Semitic bigot, who doesn't understand economics. k.
jahs389 8 months ago
Weiner's a dick.
slugworth63 9 months ago
I am glad this weasel is getting roasted, another perverted democrat scumbag , karmas a bitch.
thedarknight24 9 months ago
@Ematched, then given your analogy, you should pay taxes on every Christmas and birthday gift you receive.
perrys62008 9 months ago
Weiner is the best, most efficient congressman in the United States. I can't believe how people get influenced by trivialities. It's sad.
ladyvanda 9 months ago
@ladyvanda "Weiner is the best, most efficient congressman in the United States" .. If you mean as a Democrat, that's like pointing out the most intelligent person at the retard slow-time chess tournament
Padarack1 9 months ago
First of all, I Don't like the way Megyn Kelly was treated by Anthony Weiner on Fox in this interview , this guy is an A-Hold And he thinks he's better than everybody else.
The point is , it's not fair to be tax twice dead or alive. And the waste is another over paid republican that part of the problem and not part of the solution!!
squzio 9 months ago
This is a very rare moment. I have to agree with Megyn Kelly on this. If those earnings have already been taxed once, they should not be taxed again. If a father leaves his son five million dollars, why shouldn't his son get all five million?
Fuck the government and their taxes. You KNOW that they're spending all this shit on the military, which is the biggest waste of money possible.
myteethareshiny 9 months ago
@myteethareshiny Don't forget all the money that we give other countries who teach their people to hate us, or all the wast our government goes through: Limos, planes, hairstylists, dinners, voting themselves a raise every year, campaign money spent to defeat their opponents (their all the same reps and dems....pieces of garbage) so they can stay in power. These people fight to stay in power not for us at all.
vaginagas 9 months ago
@vaginagas Nicely said, brother.
myteethareshiny 9 months ago
I say we put a tax on the money I am taxed.
kkeewiinn2 9 months ago
A great progressive intellectual owned.
BlackRepublican2010 10 months ago
@BlackRepublican2010 how so?
TheeMikeHoncho 10 months ago
I don't care what his view is, it doesn't change the fact he is a jerk off douche bag.
domesticpuke 11 months ago
@Ematched typical liberal mentality
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
those two idiots at its best
bykashka75 11 months ago
God forbid Paris Hilton pays taxes on her inheritance! I hate the self pity from the rich!
schueaj 11 months ago
Weiner is such a smarmy prick. He looks like a 12 year old who forgot to take his ADD meds.
That money has already been taxed while the person was alive. End the death tax, like Sweden did. No taxation without resperation.
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
Death Tax? It's like stealing from the grave, or taxing the dead man. Actually you're already taxing the future dead, because the person with the will is aware that a lot of his money is not going where he wants it. I can't see how this is right. It just pings grave robery.
tiffyj85 11 months ago
Weiner looks like a little punk with Napoleon syndrome. Socialists like him is what's hurting this country
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
@TheMrLiberty No half-sighted retards who think they can pin our problems exclusively on liberals or conservatives are what's letting bought-out politicans on both sides ruin our country.
This country is not purely capitalist nor is it socialist, never was. It's more corporatist than anything and that's a lot worse than the slider moving a slight bit towards socialism or capitalism.
frigginjoe 11 months ago
@frigginjoe You are partially right. We've not been a capitalist country since Calivn Coolidge was in office. For the Better part of 100 years we have been progressive (socialist). Corporatist isn't the word, it is called Crony Capitalism or State Capitalism which is a collaboration between Big gov and Big bis which is socialism. Politicians make deals to with large corporations giving money and exempting them from taxation & regulation i.e:GM, GE, Fanni,Freddie,Amtrack,Banks,PBS,NPR, etc.
wutbothersme 11 months ago
@wutbothersme
I would say "corporatism" is the correct term, as policy makes often use regulations to insulate the market from competition, think about the Vegas lobby and prohibition of online gambling. Moreover, I believe your list of corporations is NOT a good depiction, though I agree with Banks, GM, and GE for example, I feel there is a huge gap between a non-profit organization such as National Public Radio (free public service) and a for profit such as General Motors selling products.
jahs389 8 months ago
@jahs389 It is socialism The concept of Big Gov working with BIg Bis, goes back to the 1930's it was called "State Capitalism" and it was practiced by Germany and Italy in the years prior to WW2. It is important to call it by it's proper name, "Socialism" b/c it isn't a new concept. Corporatism suggest that it is a new American Concept. NPR isn't a non profit organization it subsidy of the US gov. and b/c it carries a political agenda, it should not be funded by tax payers.
wutbothersme 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
Socialism is government control of the means of productions which simply isn't the case hear. Corporatism shows a level of protectionism in what other perceive to a a "free" market. Moreover, NPR is definitely a non-profit, though it is privately and publicly funded that doesn't change it's structure. Although, it isn't deeply partisan as you suggest and even if it were that doesn't necessarily mean it would lose it's 501.C3 exemption.
jahs389 8 months ago
@jahs389 it is socialism; on the socialist scale Communist is the extreme left, fascism is they extreme right. Mussolini defined Fascism as the collaboration between government and business. Corporatism and Protectionism are aspects of Fascism, which is a form of Socialism.
The LDS church does not, unlike Fannie,Freddie, Amtrak and NPR, depend on the federal funding. They are an independent group based ENTIRELY on private donations To compare LDS to them is absurd.
wutbothersme 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
The LDS church is a tax exempt organization, though they are not funded by the government so you are right the analogy is far from perfect, they are considered a tax exempt non-profit; yet, they engage in political activity including funding candidates and ballot initiatives.
Moveover, you are misusing the word "socialism", one can think of the political scale on economic levels going from total communism/collectivism to extreme capitalism as exposed by Milton Friedman...
jahs389 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
Now protectionism is somewhere in between.
On the other political ideology spectrum is the role of government on social issues and civil liberties, which ranges from strongly libertarian/anarchy to extremely fascist and authoritarian. People, very often pit fascism and communism as extreme left and right, when they are both totalitarian in gov. structure. Though Nazism and Stalinism differ on economic policy they are best friends on the role of authority and gov. control.
jahs389 8 months ago
@jahs389 no, you scale are completely off. LIbertarinism is not on the same spectrum as fascism. You are confusing the European socialist scale with the American scale. European Socialist scale: Communism_____________Fascism
American Libertarian scale Theist____________Anarchist. There is no relation between Fascism and Libertarianism They are on different spectrums
wutbothersme 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
You are have made a common misconception about the authoritarian and social nature of the politcal spectrum and the economic based aspects. Collectivism / Communism is opposite to laissez-faire capitalism on one scale. Authoritatianism is opposite to Extreme civil libertarian / anarchy.
jahs389 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
I will completely concede there is a difference between practise and theory of these ideologies, and that communism as a theory was more anarcho and stateless in nature: but in practise was widely totalitarian - compare direct democracies of small Quakers to the communist state under Stalin.
Perhaps I should stick to saying x-axis: collectivism -----> total laissez-faire capitalism, and y-axis: individualism / anarchy -----> extreme totalitarianism.
jahs389 8 months ago
@wutbothersme
See law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/501.html, moreover, by your suggestion Churches which support a political candidate or campaign such as the LDS church should lose their tax exempt status, something I don't necessarily disagree with.
jahs389 8 months ago
@frigginjoe corproate socialism
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
@TheMrLiberty ..... What? I don't think you know what socialism is. Unless you're joking. In which case, well done sir.
snoggish 11 months ago
@snoggish there hasnt been corprate socialism? AIG, GM, FREDDIE AND FANNIE. "TOO BIG TO FAIL"
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
@TheMrLiberty And this is why I was asking you if you knew what socialism was. The government isn't controlling those businesses. If anything, it's the other way around.
snoggish 11 months ago
@frigginjoe I'm going to have to agree and disaggre. True corporates have a lot of Washington in its pocket, but if we didnt have a lot of bull shit regulation, there would be no need to buy out poiticians. Too much socialism is harmful, because if you put too much burden on the private sector, lik there i now. You'll end up with a larger entitlement and government working class... And where do the gov, get its money? (Besides FED infation) PRIVATE SECTOR...
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
I think it would be awesome if Anthony Weiner ran for President AND WON!!!!!
tonyrandalljonesmead 11 months ago
no gayness intended but I love that Weiner.
tonyrandalljonesmead 11 months ago
she got nailed by weiner, i bet that isn't the first time...
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
Weiner is a dirt bag! I don't no why they out this wiener ( pun intended) on the air. He never answers the questions put to him.
42BillD 1 year ago
This guy, if you sak what color the sky is, will never utter the word, "blue," He's wandering all over the issue. Nerver even answered the question. I have a brother like him, and it's madness to try and discuss issues with people WHO KNOW THEIR ARGUMENT IS WRONG.
soco13466 1 year ago
she is a ninny. what does "fairness" have to do with anything.. is it fair that one person is born rich and another poor? is it fair that african americans have a harder time getting health insurance, car insurance or mortgages? Ms. Kelly, in case you weren't paying attention in Law School, "it isn't fair" is not a valid legal argument.
stillif 1 year ago
@stillif I hope if you ever somehow become rich, your eatste is 100% stolen and given to a corrupt gov't waste pit. Damn you haters of economic freedom, you're the reason this country is broke!
soco13466 1 year ago
@soco13466 you do realize that you are calling the country broke whilst also complaining about paying taxes?
stillif 1 year ago
@stillif It's the spending, not the tax rate that has broken the economy. You could tax us 100%, the political whores would still spend well over that. Get it right. I ask you, would YOU let anyone run YOUR finances in the way the politicians do?
soco13466 1 year ago
@soco13466 No, really, its the entitlements that are breaking the economy... and why are the entitlements breaking the economy? because we make employees pay for their own retirement, when it is the employers who make the greatest profit from their labor. Until there is a distribution of fiscal responsibility that is equal to the distribution of profits, we will always end up draining the government's coffers.
stillif 1 year ago
@stillif You don't make any sense.
soco13466 1 year ago
Whether we should tax money that is unearned at a higher rate than money that IS earned is intuitive, but this seems to be a point of contention.
Weiner's point is that those that inherit (beneficiaries of a will) did not themselves work to earn that money, likened to a casino-winner; the testator of the will earned that money in life and was rightfully taxed. S/he died. The beneficiary did not work to earn this money and his/her inheritance will be taxed once (estate tax).
Seawolfsiege 1 year ago
What Wiener says makes sense. The person who is dying isn't being taxed twice. We shouldn't call it the death tax or the estate tax, but rather "the inheritance tax"
bootypicture 1 year ago 5
@bootypicture Bullshit. I am currently handling my father's estate, and rest assured we are happy that this year there is no tax.This is wealth already earned and taxed! If your Kennedys can pass on wealth, well so can the rest of us! And don't bring up Buffet, Gates, if THEY want to give away their money, fine, but they speak for no one else. They have billions, and they'll still be wealthy if they give away most of theirs, but estates in the single digit millions aren't in the same category.
soco13466 1 year ago
@soco13466 I'm sure you are happy.
bootypicture 1 year ago
@bootypicture Happier than you obviously.
soco13466 1 year ago
@bootypicture Sounds like grave robbery.
tiffyj85 11 months ago
@bootypicture No, it doesn't make sense ... at all .. You don't understand the issue
Padarack1 9 months ago
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Buffett owns life insurance companies that rely on the death tax in order to sell their estate-planning businesses. Buffett made about a billion dollars off of the Wall Street bailout by investing in Goldman Sachs on the assumption Uncle Sam would bail it out. He also is planning investments in ethanol giant ADM and government-contracting leviathan General Dynamics. If your businesses’ revenue comes from the U.S. Treasury, of course you want more wealth.
vechorik 7 months ago
Well here's the thing: I think Weiner makes a good point, but I think he could have responded better. In the ideal world, you can keep everything you earn- but in the world we live in, important services and important programs need to be funded, and some people can afford to lose the money more than others.
LeonNLK 1 year ago
I'm scared. I'm actually on Kelly's side on this and when fox news starts making sense to you, that's reason for concern. :(
PanWolven 1 year ago
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what a weiner
machineguneddie 1 year ago
what a weiner
machineguneddie 1 year ago
@coliwood I agree w/ you coliwood, we need to cut spending. But the whole budget issue isn't necessarily a spending issue but a responsibility issue. Its what govt does w/ the money. But you must understand that govt cutting spending means less jobs and worsening unemployment. I understand that and accept that but I think many people overlook the consequences. Anyway, your points right on Sell bonds and cut spending
fububalla 1 year ago
They didn't earn the money because they'll be dead? What?
What a fucking douchebag this guy is. What an appropriate surname he has.
chucknob 1 year ago
This guy is a capital PRICK. And people vote for this. He makes a sales pitch by turning around the original question (which he refuses to answer) and his constituents buy it. Screw HIM and THEM.
tnoutdoors9 1 year ago
@coliwood No the government didn't earn the money- whatever that means- but 1. Your dead, get over it. And 2nd if you are the child receiving, ok, the governments a little more of the money your relatives made boo whoo whoo, lets make a compromise, the receivers can choose what gov departments (like D.O. Education) the gov the money goes to? (sorta like forced charity). Neh... republican's would never go for that!
fububalla 1 year ago
@fububalla "Whatever that Means"!? You cannot possible be that vapid!. Since I earned I say what happens to it, b/c it is mine, DEAD or ALIVE. No Compromise. This is a classic example of the Government dictating someone's life.This all goes back to what Thomas Jefferson said, 'Government has to acknowledge God', because the moment you disregard God, you disregard inalienable rights; God given rights. We are not wards or subjects of the state. Government doesn't know what's best, Barney's claim.
coliwood 1 year ago
@coliwood Look I'm not familiar with the Jefferson quote you suggested but fair enough. The dead man earned it. Government makes money in only two ways: TAXES and BORROWING. Which one would you rather we do to put the country on a Stable path. Which one do you perfer? Are you supporting the idea that we have a state religion? And I'm the vapid one? You can't be serious?
fububalla 1 year ago
@fububalla Tell me where I mentioned anything about a state religion, and I will defend it. Or else stop making things up.
coliwood 1 year ago
@coliwood Ok, my bad, I didn't get what you were implying with 'Government has to acknowledge God' and what that has to do with the subject. Anyway, its an ideological difference. I believe government has a role to play and it needs taxes to do it effectively. Its not like I'm for government misusing the taxes thats why I'm all behind having transparency of where that money goes.
fububalla 1 year ago
@fububalla Whenever the state forgets it's god, it becomes final authoritarian. Citizens no longer have rights/ individuality. they're, property. i.e. China. But, if the state recognizes a god, then it's citizen have inalienable rights; rights that the state can NEVER infringe upon. Wiener doesn't see it that way, he believes people belong to government, which is why they can justify taking away someone's inheritance. b/c the person, and the person's belongings are the of the state.
coliwood 1 year ago
@fububalla Taxes are fine to an extent but the estate tax and the graduated income tax are both unconstitutional.
chucknob 1 year ago
@chucknob How is it unconstitutional? interesting, it may be but how long have we had it for? Besides, why doesn't anybody want to look out for America and not only them selves. I'm not super pro estate tax but I am for balanced budgets period. We need to get the money from somewhere. Where would you perfer we get it from? Americans or the Chinese?
fububalla 1 year ago
Now days the only thing ensured is death, taxes and taxes at death. Vote Democrate we know better what to do with your money than you do!
dkkght46 1 year ago
OK, Weiner, Let's take your Casino anaology to the next level: If someone wins $20,000 at the slots, wheather a homeless person or a billionaire, they are going to pay taxes on that unearned income. If an inheritance is truly no different, then why not tax them all? Did the recipients of a $5,000 inheritance earn what they recieved and those recieveing a 10 million dollar inheritance did not?
Magman454 1 year ago
@Magman454 Oh, I almost forgot; It's a numbers game. You convince your lower income constituents, who far outnumber your rich ones, that taking money from the rich and giving it to the Government will somehow make them better off. You may loose the votes of your rich constituents, but gain votes from those in the lower tax brackets. At least the ones stupid enough to fall for it. Loose 10 votes to gain 1,000. Nice job, Weiner.
Magman454 1 year ago
Depend on yourself, and the group shall be stronger for it, we don't need anyone taking our money away for the benefit of others, rather, we should be going out and choosing to help. "Faith, Hope, and Charity"
DrumminBird 1 year ago
As an American citizen, it's your responsibility to manage your money regardless of your income. Taxes should be a set rate for everyone. It's not the responsibility of the government to police how money is spent after taxes are deducted. The wealthy should DECIDE whether they wish to help the less fortunate or not from the kindness of their own hearts, some would, some wouldn't . Even then there is nothing stopping the less fortunate from overcoming adversity.
DrumminBird 1 year ago
@coliwood It is basic economics, you see it in absolutely every country in the world. There's a limited amount of money, so if the rich are doing extra well, it can only mean the rest of the people are doing badly. I don't understand why people in America seem to be ignorant of this very basic principle. So, if you want to bring up those at the bottom you have to take a bit from those at the top. Of course you can forget about the poor, but when that happens revolution comes and it's bloody.
imshadi 1 year ago
those who have faired the best of all, the top 3/10% of a percent are in some way held accountable for their success then the very system of meritocracy, which allowed them to become so wealthy, will dissolve into a elitest oligarchy with a dynastic aristocracy.
You can argue what is 'fair' until you are blue in the face, without being able to prove one way or the other what is and isn't, what ought to be and what not. But what IS true is that the estate tax has stabilised America socially.
KentRigeI 1 year ago
@coliwood Simply outliving your parent or the owner of the estate you are to inherit isn't earning that money either. I don't get rich from the government enforcing the estate tax but I am nonetheless better off. The money from the estate tax, trillions of dollars over the last century, have funded infrastructure, medicare, tax cuts to middle and low income earners and dozens of other expensive but necessary and beneficial social policies.
America is a meritocracy, but unless [cont'd]
KentRigeI 1 year ago
What a douchebag. He never even answered the question. Instead, he brought his own question into the debate, "How much should the tax be?" He could have replied in way, such as many have on here, why he thought the gov is entitled to tax that inherited estate. Instead, this douchebag has the same absolutist mentality that the Brittish had. Also, how does not taxing add to debt? Spending money that you don't have adds to debt; not spending money you don't have and relying on getting money.
domstriker 1 year ago
@domstriker That's of course what they mean, that if WE keep OUR money, THEY don't get to spend it and might have to cut back on some of the GOVERNMENT services that WE are being robbed to pay for!!!! Holy shit these people are corrupt. I'm not sure Mexico has anything on us any more.
dovie2blue 1 year ago
@dovie2blue In the last ten years, America has proven to be as corrupt and dirty as the lowest denominator you can pick. But what happens in Mexico may seem like petty theft when compared to what America has done. I doubt that the zetas have killed remotely as many people as America has for blood money, not only in the shape of oil, but also for drug trafficking. I don't hate America, but everyday it seems more obvious that our romantic image of it was an illusion.
imshadi 1 year ago
@imshadi Then LEAVE! GTFO and go to Cuba, or Venezuela, or Saudi Arabia. See how tolerant those countries are. Assholes.
dovie2blue 1 year ago
@domstriker The tax money in question used to be part of the govt's budget before Bushie... Once the tax cuts were made the govt was left without the money, but with the same obligations. So what can they do? Stop spending on the obligations now that the money is not there. What are the obligations? Your health care, social security and all the things that used to go to the less privileged people. Of course the money could be taken from the military budget, which is immorally high, but no way!
imshadi 1 year ago
@imshadi My healthcare? I don't think so....And Social Security is already bankrupt.
domstriker 1 year ago
@imshadi Yeah welfare = bribery. Vote for us and we will pay you. Corruption much? we're supposed to make our own way in the world, not rely on the government. In fact God tells us to rely on HIM, not anything or anyone else.
dovie2blue 1 year ago
@domstriker He actually did answer the question: dead people are not taxed on anything. "Those people will be dead," Weiner clarifies for Megyn. The taxes apply to those who inherit the money, not those who are no longer living and are in no position to pay anything to anyone, or accept anything from anyone for that matter.
Weiner answered Megyn's question in five words, but she launched into a populist rant, mischaracterizing the real nature of the tax.
Fuckin' a right, Weiner.
Ematched 1 year ago 5
@Ematched You are so fucking stupid!
soco13466 1 year ago
@Ematched @Ematched No, what she was asking is "is it fair to tax the same thing twice, just because it switches hands?"
If I worked my entire life to give my kids the best possible future after already paying my taxes, what right do they have to take that money away? And so what if I win it big at gambling, what about all the people who don't? Not to mention how incredibly rude Weiner is. He shows no class in this at all and acts like a childish brat.
panathinakosbear 1 year ago
@panathinakosbear Because your kids didn't work for the money. They were the result of you banging someone of the opposite sex. They had no choice in the matter, nor did they do anything to earn the inheritance, except inherit your genes. Unless you plan to leave the kids more than $6 million, your objection is pointless. Even then, the tax is modest, considering, again, the inheritors have not consciously done anything besides not make you disown them.
Weiner is rude because Kelly is deaf.
Ematched 1 year ago
@Ematched What if I'm on my death bed and I give everything to them before I die, should it be taxed then? This is just another example of the government stealing from people and then making the ones they steal from look like the bad guys, as if they're some kind of Robin Hood of taxes. Who cares if the people get it just by being related? Is the US govt some kind of moral police now? Remember when the Bolsheviks villainized the rich?
panathinakosbear 1 year ago
@Ematched Can you say grave robber?
tiffyj85 11 months ago
@Ematched The MONEY is taxed again.. That person who saved money throughout their life and have been taxed on it should be able to give it away as pleased
TheMrLiberty 11 months ago
@TheMrLiberty And they can, up to $6 million, without being incurring the higher rate.
It is almost irrelevant who is giving the money. It's all about the recipient. The giver is dead, therefore, untaxable. The recipient, if in the U.S., is receiving income, regardless of how you want to define it. If the parent has $100,000 in hogs to give a child, that is $100,000 in assets transferred, therefore, income, which is taxable regardless of the semantic games you want to play.
Deal with it.
Ematched 11 months ago 2
@TheMrLiberty (...cont) Just keep whining about the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. Exponential self-absorption is the American way.
" 'Em demacrats is stealin all my moneys and given it to dem blacks. Dat ain't fair. I gots two jet skis and a boat to store, and dey's makin me pay taxes. Tyranny, tyranny, tyranny. I want my interstates, medical research, and medicare, but them taxes is tyranny. Rabble, rabble, rabble."
Ematched 11 months ago
@Ematched The money is not the government's, it is the individual's and they are entitled to what money they have. Rep. Weiner, properly named, does nothing to answer the question on fairness. It is unfair. It is none of the government's business how much money people have. These failing socialist programs are bankrupting America, not the lack of tax stealing by the federal government.
BlackRepublican2010 10 months ago
@BlackRepublican2010 LOL ignorance at its most unbelievable level. this republican moneymoneymoney view is such an outdated and unsustainable concept. fighting for a balance between a strong economy and the more generalised and equal provision of public services is not socialism you mug. it helps to highten the quality of life across a whole country and to do that the rich need to be taxed more. fox works so hard to slam systems that operate much better than the american one such as the uks nhs
Mrbigdickovich 9 months ago
@Mrbigdickovich The producers who make the money will find somewhere else to go, and then who will we tax? How about all that outsourcing that has happened? Too expensive to produce here anymore the hippie police want to pc, regulate, and nerf the country to death. If we taxed the rich more we still couldn't pay off our debt. We NEED to stop being so wasteful.The quality of life here is great. I have lived in many other countries things like running water, electricity, and 911 are blessings.
vaginagas 9 months ago
@Ematched, Wrong. The money has been taxed and the taxes paid by the person who earned the money. But, you like Weiner, have a problem with people owning the fruits of their labor. You, like Weiner, believe that it is ok for the government to "Tax" an inheritance that has had the taxes paid on it already, because you and he believe that money is really yours to do with as you want to. WRONG, Fuckin' A WRONG. This isn't a Communist country yet. There shouldn't be TAX on money that's been taxed.
perrys62008 9 months ago
@perrys62008 It's an exchange of money. It's subject to taxation. There's nothing communist about a modest tax. Now, state appropriation of all inheritance would certainly be contemptable, but nothing remotely like that is happening. The person giving the money isn't taxed on the exchange. It's the recipient. It's income. It's taxable.
Well, only if the amount is over $6 million.
What we should really be focusing on is the the little bastard who took my zebra cakes in second grade.
Ematched 9 months ago
@perrys62008 Lets not forget about state and federal jobs. Tax dollars pay those wages, and guess what? It's taxed again, and they get some great benefits. What do us stupid pesants know anyway?
vaginagas 9 months ago
@Ematched How dare this guy bad mouth our Megyn somebody get a rope and hang em, that will save the tax payers about $100.00 a year! He's lucky he;s not in Texas...Show some respect to our hostess stupid rep.
squzio 9 months ago
@squzio Stupidity deserves ridicule. Example: your belligerence announced that you were from Texas before you stated such. All else follows.
Ematched 9 months ago
@Ematched Hey dumbass .... No he didn't answer the question - She's saying whoever inherits the money shouldn't have to pay taxes on it, and he never addressed it. It is NOT the government's money, you braindead Libtards ... And in this same clip he implies the people who had the money and died, (who's relatives inherit it) didn't earn the money! MOST of them did ... they didn't steal it, they didn't win it at the horse race, they worked their asses off all their life and earned it. Megyn wins
Padarack1 9 months ago
@Padarack1 Since I see that English is not your forte, I'll spell it out once again. It's not the recipients money until it changes hands. As such, money goes from one person to another and is, therefore, a transaction. An asset is being received, thus the recipient owes all due taxes (when the value exceeds $6 million). The person who worked for the money is not taxed, the recipient is. Weiner implied no such thing. You inferred that. The recipient is equal to the winner at the horse race.
Ematched 9 months ago
@Padarack1 Since I see that English is not your forte, I'll spell it out once again. It's not the recipient's money until it changes hands. As such, money goes from one person to another and is, therefore, a transaction. An asset is being received, thus the recipient owes all due taxes (when the value exceeds $6 million). The person who worked for the money is not taxed, the recipient is. Weiner implied no such thing. You inferred that. The recipient is equal to the winner at the horse race.
Ematched 9 months ago
@Padarack1
Well the people inheriting the money didn't earn it in the same way their parents or parents-parents etc. might have. Moreover, as many large assets are in capital gains likes stocks they aren't taxed much to at all to begin with; this allows the perpetuation of wealth through generations and research shows it stymies work by future inheritors. People are already "taxed twice" as we are taxed on income and then on purchases through sales tax - this argument is misleading.
jahs389 8 months ago
@Padarack1
Also, both the initial earner of the wealth and the inheriting recipient use common collective items (as we all do) and have a degree of tax obligation. In order to become wealthy I assume this person used public roads, had employees that used roads, sought to have their money protected through federal regulations and laws, expected police and firefighters, as well as access to public resources such as libraries, radio bandwidth, clean air & water etc.
jahs389 8 months ago
A lot of people seem to be preoccupied with what they think is 'fair' regarding the estate tax. Whether or not someone who is inherenting 5-10 million needs that extra 35-55%, whether they are entitled to it considering they didn't work for it, whether the government has anyplace double-dipping.
But the most important factor is that the estate tax has closed the wealth divide. The GINI index of wealth inequality for America is shameful, ending the estate tax would break social stability.
KentRigeI 1 year ago
@KentRigeI "ending the estate tax would break social stability." How could that be when there is no estate tax now? The only instance in which someone may be passing on money that has not been taxed already is if they got it through an inheritance and died to pass it on, both occurring within the small window in which there was no death tax. I would bet that is a very small number.
Magman454 1 year ago
Weiner how about a 50% tax on your campaign contributions?
bluedemon245 1 year ago
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bluedemon245 1 year ago
This wiener wants to grab everyone else's money. Typical dem, typical lib. Imagine, a farm with all the acres and farm ipment is valued at 10 million but the farmer has 200 grand in the bank. He dies and leaves the farm to his children. This weiner character says you have to pay 5 million to me ala the libs in congress. Guess what, the farm goes under and this weiner character says so what, that's just too bad....NOW HAND OVER YOUR MONEY TO ME....NOW....RIGHT NOW!
antilibercrat 1 year ago
@antilibercrat This country is broken. It needs money. The rich have taken and taken from everyone and they are the ones doing well in spite of everyone else being fired, foreclosed on, drowned in debt,etc. The rich themselves should figure out they are the ones who can help resuscitate America, and taxes are their contribution. Stop fighting for those who up to now haven't shown they give a damn about you or America.
imshadi 1 year ago
@imshadi When was the last time you got hired by a poor person? What a stupid belief you have. "The Rich" pay for all the services that everyone else uses, asshole. 10% of the populace pays 70% of all taxes. You are getting a ride because there are rich people, why don't you get off your ass and try to earn your own fortune, because it's not a zero-sum game, there is enough opportunity for everyone here, or there used to be before Communists started this class war.
dovie2blue 1 year ago
@dovie2blue There is not enough opportunity for everyone, asshole. The whole point of capitalism is I get rich by taking money from as many people as possible, if everyone is rich then no one is. The more fucked up people are the more money I have. That's why I don't want to pay taxes, because I give a fuck about everyone else, and if the country goes down I can go live in Europe.
imshadi 1 year ago
@imshadi Fail. I see you have learned the liberal propaganda and class warfare of Communism. Why don't you get a head start and go to Europe now? Your statements make no sense at all. "That's why I don't want to pay taxes, because I give a f*ck about everyone?" LOLWUT? Your idea of what capitalism is is WRONG. And frankly, your type makes me sick. "If everyone is rich then no one is??" Went to public school did you?
dovie2blue 1 year ago
@dovie2blue It's basic economics. People at the top can't be too rich without people at the bottom being extra poor. You see it in every country in the world. Why do you think the richest man on earth is from Mexico? If the rich don't pay taxes then the whole of society just crashes, that's why the french revolution happened, that's why America seceded from Britain. It is not class warfare, it is social stability. BTW, I have my degree and I own an VFX company, so shut up.
imshadi 1 year ago
Anthony Weiner is such a dick. What a typically liberal obnoxious jerk. Megyn should have just cut the interview "GET THE HELL OFF MY SHOW AND DON'T COME BACK UNTIL YOU LEARN TO BE CIVIL AND ARE WILLING TO ANSWER EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF QUESTIONS WITHOUT RESORTING TO YOUR POLITICAL BULLSHIT RHETORIC." Of course I wouldn't last two minutes as a host so I guess you have to have infinite patience with people like this jerk.
antilibercrat 1 year ago
@antilibercrat I for one am happy to see someone actually treat them with the same respect they give others (which is none, unless they agree with everything they say).
imshadi 1 year ago
There is no doubt, with him in Washington, we are all worse off...
dhorner64 1 year ago
And honestly what should it matter whether it's going to your kids or not. You could be giving away all of your belongings to charity. almost half of it STILL goes to the government. Stop assuming that everybody is giving it to their kids, and focus on the fact that YOUR STUFF IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE OR NOT.
DrumminBird 1 year ago
@DrumminBird Similar taxes exist in every major country in the world. If people don't like taxes then they should go live on an island. If you want to live in America you have to contribute. You don't deserve to be called a citizen if you don't want to play by the rules of the house.
imshadi 1 year ago
@imshadi You missed the point...typical. It's not about not wanting to pay taxes at all, it's about when I die and give my money to whomever I deem should have it, my money that's already been taxed is being taxed AGAIN. Even worse, once whoever I gave it to has the money and spends it, it's taxed AGAIN! I'm fine with paying taxes to help my country, but when it get's to the point where I'm giving them triple that, that's when I cry foul. Did we learn nothing from the revolutionary war?
DrumminBird 1 year ago
I can't believe so many agree with a DEATH tax. Really? When you die a success in life and want to help YOUR kids with their lives by giving them what you earned I doubt any of you are going to be happy when Uncle Sam is asking for a 45% cut. When you earn your money through a job or gambling or any other legal way, it's taxed already. Anything remaining afterwards is YOURS, and should be dealt with how you want, free from the hands of a greedy government running us into the ground.
DrumminBird 1 year ago 2
I'm sure many would call Jefferson & other Founders Socialist because they were extremely opposed to great wealth being passed from generation to generation, but they thought it'd be a great danger to our country if we became like Europe - wIth most of the wealth held by a small % of the population.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
Please don't bring up our Founders when defending Inheritance w/ no tax, here is a quote from Thos. Jefferson:
"I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self evident, "that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. The portion occupied by an individual ceases to be his when himself ceases to be, and reverts to the society"
Our founders were very opposed to inheritance allowing great wealth to be held by a few.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 -- I didn't bring up the Founders -- YOU DID. Since we're on the topic of them, it's important to realize that they were a mixed bag, and full of contradictions -- just like we are. For all of your supposed knowledge of exactly what they thought about wealth, they were quite wealthy, and passed it on to their heirs for what it's worth. Jefferson on the other hand, didn't have much of an estate to pass on since he spent more than what he ever had and left mountains of debt.
Beemnseven 1 year ago
This Wiener truly is a wiener. I'll bet little girls beat him up in the school yard and now it's his opportunity to show off his arrogance without fear of being slapped. Watch out Wiener. Somewhere sometime your going to treat someone badly with your arrogance and it'll backfire on you. You little snit.
cdriverjr 1 year ago
Growing up with a name like Weiner, I guess you end up being a jackass.
tpmcmaho 1 year ago
Weiner is one... he is a mental midget.
RFBertram 1 year ago
He ought to be called Anthony Wienerhead. He won't answer her question because he can't justify the double taxation on the death tax. He's got that attitude like he thinks he's better than everyone else. A lot of congressmen/women do though. I'd have given him a lot more hell than Meagan did if I were the anchor.
comedyguy99 1 year ago
She showed enormous restraint with that idiot.
gatorlynnt 1 year ago
Megan...you are Hot and intelligent. Wiener....well you live up to your name. You are a weiner.
wolfgange63 1 year ago
@wolfgange63
aaaahahaha..."intelligent"
ohthelushlife 1 year ago
@ohthelushlife Ok...do a look on her biography and compare it to yours and laugh again. LOL
wolfgange63 1 year ago
"The essence of the American experiment is our collective rejection of European hereditary aristocracy and grotesque inequalities of wealth. When Alexis de Tocqueville visited the United States in the mid-nineteenth century, he noted that equality of condition permeated the American spirit: "The American experiment presupposes a rejection of inherited privilege."
JamMessiahJC 1 year ago
@JamMessiahJC -- I'm fairly certain de Tocqueville was referring to America's departure from the idea of Kings and Queens ruling the country until the end of time thanks only to the luck of birthright.
Beemnseven 1 year ago
@Beemnseven Inherited privilege means only one thing here and in China. If you want to change the meaning to fit your wishes then you are on your own.
imshadi 1 year ago
@JamMessiahJC Yeah that sure didn't mean that they were OK with the FEDERAL government seizing the property of citizens after they died. Are you kidding.
dovie2blue 1 year ago
Our founding fathers - including Jefferson, Adams, & Franklin- cautioned that a huge er to our country would be the concentration of wealth into the hands of a few.
Today the top 1% has 40% of the wealth.
The top 10% owns 75% ofthe wealth
And the bottom 40% has 1% of the wealth.
This is not healthy.
The inc. tax & inheritance tax proposals will only make the situation worse.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 -- And according to the left, the only way to remedy that is for the government to take money away from those who have earned it, and give it to those who didn't. The Founders warned against that too.
Beemnseven 1 year ago
@Beemnseven -- Warren Buffett & Bill Gates have indicated they don't believe huge estates should be passed on to children who've done nothing to earn it.
Thomas Jefferson and other Founders of our country held the same view.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 -- I know how Buffett and Gates feel, and I disagree with them. As for Jefferson, I find it difficult to accept his definition of what is and isn't "moral" since he was banging his slaves.
Beemnseven 1 year ago
@Beemnseven - As a decendent of Thom. Jefferson, I've never seen any evidence that he was "banging his slaves". But he did have an affair with his deceased wife's half sister who was a slave.
And I have seen evidence Jefferson would not agree w/ the Republicans on inheritance.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@DillonDee1 -- and do you believe the Founders would agree with Democrats and their views on gun control or homosexual rights? How about the way they felt about voting rights for women or minorities? Are we supposed to defer to the way they looked at things more than 200 years ago?
Beemnseven 1 year ago
@Beemnseven - I've heard Glenn Beck bragging about Jefferson & I'm sure he'd agree w/ him on most social issues, but when it comes to Jefferson's view that gov't should discourage wealth from being concentrated in the hands of a few I doubt he would.
I suspect he'd also not share Jefferson's view of abortion.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
@Beemnseven No, we are supposed to be smarter, but since our education sucks and we are fed lies our entire lives I guess that failed. So we better stick to what those men said because they were really smart and had a great education.
imshadi 1 year ago
how can a person possibly keep a straight face when making a "morality" argument against the estate tax? a moral approach to taxation would be taxing the rich out of existence entirely.
fathermckenzie1 1 year ago
@fathermckenzie1
Just out of curiosity, are you mentally and emotionally retarded or just a communist?
jlforres 1 year ago
Weiner and the liberals are thieves. They have zero right to what people have earned. If the estate tax is such a good and fair tax, why not take 50% of all estates. from $1 on up?... see how much outrage there is from the general public if they got treated like the those that have earned more than the average American. Weiner is an immoral thief. He should learn from his mistakes. Every time he debates Megyn she reveals his intellectual shortcomings.
RFBertram 1 year ago
Im not even american, and still I wonder, how do americans think they can reduce their debt if not by taxes? Its amazing to see morons actually try to debate against weiner, when his opinion actually is the only rational one. Cant believe your not getting guys like Weiner and Ron paul to run for president and actually winning.
malatir 1 year ago
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wolfgange63 1 year ago
@malatir Because it is not our debt. The government caused the debt not the people! If the people employed in the government ran the government like a business instead of a free ride; free to throw tax payers money where ever the hell they want so they can suck up to people with big money that supports them in their campaigns to get re-elected...we wouldnt have the problems we have now!!! They dont know how to manage the huge amount of money they get from the American people.
wolfgange63 1 year ago
@malatir Ummmm... maybe by CUTTING GOVERNMENT SPENDING???? What a concept. Why don't you keep your ideas to yourself since you have no freaking idea what being an American means.
dovie2blue 1 year ago