CIA vet Ray McGovern confronts Rumsfeld

[N1k1mon]

@hazor777 Who gives a rip about Cooper? This is information that can be verified, the point is to consider the statements and check the facts, not decide if a man is or isn't telling the truth based on who interviewed him. My god are you 5 years old?

So you did check into the facts of his testimony, correct?

You didn't just ignore everything that was said because you believe 'such and such' about the interviewer, you did actually look into the veracity of the claims, didn't you?

[viadexr]

Who really needs Wikileaks when there are proofs like this...

[Romans1014Preach]

Why does Anderson Cooper stutter so much ?

[sh4rkbyt3]

Rumsfled you lying piece of shit. Why did you lie to Pat Tillman's family and to Congress? You fucking coward!!!

[Syphonaptera]

Part 2) In fact, my sarcasm here would be seriously used by the american politics to invade The Netherlands should their be oil america wants. And also , Al Zawahiri DID reside in The Netherlands for a couple of times!! This is true!!

[Syphonaptera]

Part 1)Well, it happened to be and it is proven that not Al Zarqawi but even Al Zawahiri resided in The Netherlands for a couple of times!! DAMN I did not know the country I am staying in now has connections with Al Queada,.OMG,.I better warn america to bomb the Dutch asses , these filthy terrorists.In fact, my sarcasm here would be seriously used by the american politics to invade The Netherlands should their be oil america wants. And also , Al Zawahiri resided in The Netherlan

[hazor777]

does ANYONE take seriously or offer a grain of salt's worth to ANY story or interview that that COCKSUCKING FAG, Anderson Cooper spews out to the public?? HAHAHA! YOU ARE ALL SHEEP!!!

[hazor777]

thanks for fucking up the audio, you amateur

[AwesomeBeatles]

America, you are doomed if you do not abolish the illegal Federal Reserve.

[iplz]

@AwesomeBeatles we are boned. dont worry.

[RevFaris]

I find it very interesting that an ex cia official is accusing Rumsfeld of lying(probably true given the many and varies sources saying this). However I think I am going to be very careful about believing all he says. How do we know he is ex cia, not current and involved in Misinformation(pepering truth with lies etc). I think it's essential to look at many sources. The CIA's history is worth noting. Non the less this is interesting to watch.

[NorthWestRegionRep]

The host of the show is a reptilian breed hybrid right?

[0808SCOOTER]

as he stated they new there was nothing in that country it all came out in the uk they have admitted they found nothing there,, but they dont all want to come out and tell the truth because next time they lie you wont believe them,iraq was a lie and so is every thing they tell you about middle east, they are after OIL-(BLACK GOLD) greedy ba****ds the USA GOVERMENT and the UK GOVERMENT have a lot to answer to, good on mcgoven and rumsfeld stop lying you piece of shit

[LibertyTreeBud]

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[avzeolla]

ouch

well said

[AntiusHerois]

how many times must the world let america do this? start wars for no reason, the american people are such branwashed idiots. They wanted this war. Someone please nuke america.

[avzett]

MY FERVENT WISH IS TO SOMEDAY SEE DONALD RUMSFELD FOUND GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES, AND HUNG FROM HIS NECK UNTIL DEAD. I WANT TO SEE THIS COCKSUCKERS LEGS SWINGING. TRAITOR.

[meushubris]

@avzett I could not have even tried to state something so beautiful as this... Thank you for putting my hearts dream onto the net :)

[EARTH51087]

hes a fraud

[AfghanPatria]

Fuck you Rumsfeld...Fuck you....

[MediaHoax]

He looks a bit like George Carlin

[zoticus1]

and Anderson cooper is like oh well on to more important news.

[spotZsp00k]

THIS IS THE HEAVILY, SLICKLY-PROMOTED NOTION THAT WITHIN THE CIA (& FBI) ARE LOYVAL, pATRIOTIC aMERICANs (Edmonds, Scheuer, McGOVERN, et al) outraged by the NEOCONS. THEY ARE FIGHTING THE NEOCONS. THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE.

RUBBISH. THIS WHOLE CHARADE IS A CIA DECEPTION

HERE'S THE NEWS,IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW: INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DON'T JUST MANIPULATE EXTERNAL EVENTS, THEY MANIPULATE THE IMAGE OF THEMSELVES PRESENTED IN THE MAINSTREAM & ALTERNATIVE MEDIA.

[RadRacerRC]

@spotZsp00k -Ray McGovern is not trying to manipulate anyones point of view to be in favor of the CIA or any other establishment. He is retired and no longer affiliated with the CIA!

[blite13]

@RadRacerRC You don't retire from the CIA, they take a death oath. Ever heard of "once CIA, always CIA"? That's right, he is still CIA.

[EnjoyMyProfile]

ITS RON PAUL WITH A BEARD!

[tuohytpatrick]

In this video the connection between the 17th century CHing Dynasty of China and VP Dick CHeney is exposed! It's all right there in front of you...CHeney, CHing, CHina. Scarey huh?

[YOELTHEKING]

Are you retarded or retarded?

[GBanville]

Holy shit, I didn't realize there was anything that concrete on Bush. Ok, downloading.

[jeffreytrochelman]

FarmGirl JB I offered a platform for fish face to respond. He hasn't . SonsofAzazel. Perhaps you are just a tad slow. See above response to JB. He has NOT offered any facts, even through a shell account to hide his ID. One other simple point for you slow ones. I assume that NONE of you have ever talked with

Mr McGovern. NONE of you have, or even attempted to refute any of his statements. What you offer is unadulterated, personal assaults on his person vs his information. Biased BS.

[ChopperSix]

An awful lot of blowharding there, just to complain because no one would bother to exchange emails with some whackjob phony on Youtube.

Have a drink. Take a deep breath. Get a grip.

[jeffreytrochelman]

Yeah ChopperSix, I should lighten up. Here is my issue. A guy makes statements like you and fishface. No substance,empty allegations and Abusive Ad Hominem. Dullards then assume everything McGovern said has no basis in fact. IT IS A VAUCOUS ARGUMENT AND A FALLACY OF RELEVANCE. Are ya kinda getting my drift here SALLY ! Sooooo..... kickback,smoke a good cigar, pet your dog and get laid. Works for me.

[legalboxer]

"No substance,empty allegations and Abusive Ad Hominem"

Not allegations, per se -- they just pointed out the obvious, that McGovern has no background in intel other than economic analysis, which is apparent from an internet search and, in fact, his own CV & bio.

If you find this "abusive," perhaps it's because you'd prefer to believe what he says, rather than admit his paucity of credentials.

You & McGovern can believe anything that makes you happy, but a geopolitical expert he ain't.

[jeffreytrochelman]

Well I've done a cursory search of McGovern. Sent you the the link that does not think very highly of him. Other then that I couldn't find anything that refutes his statements. 'CV' ?? however I found nothing in his bio which would indicate his forte is anything but geopolitical in nature. Which is what your arguments appear to hinge on. All I can seem to conclude from all the hostility is, most here think our current government is pure in heart and deed. The party line is your creed.

[micahgee]

all his career has been in the CIA around the world including Russia...

Go McGovern!!!

He SHAT on Rumsfeld!!!!

[TheLocalOnly]

@micahgee This February, Mr. McGovern was beaten, arrested and dragged out of the room when Hillary Clinton gave her speech on "Internet Freedom". I haven't seen this incident reported anywhere at all, but thank God for Democracy Now--there's actual footage! I agree... this man is a total hero.

Enter this extension after YouTube.com:

/watch?v=uSiBpqk_93U

[FarmGirlJB]

"I would blow so many bloody holes in your lame ass arguments you'd be pissing in a thousand directions"

So do it, instead of just talking about it.

Blowhard.

heh heh

[SonsOfAzazel]

"So do it, instead of just talking about it"

Some "blow hearts" can only talk.

[ChopperSix]

"So do it, instead of just talking about it"

Jeffy-poo is desperately trying to divert attention from the fact pointed out earlier:

that McGovern was just a mid-level courier who is trying to pose as some expert on geopolitics and special ops, and thanks to the gullibility of those with even less experience than he has, has parlayed this into a nice retirement income.

As long as they worship at his particular leftist altar, they'll defend this poseur. But won't address his non-qualifications.

[legalboxer]

"I reposted this to the top so all can view your bravado"

One of the better examples of "self-definition" I've seen. I love it.

"Bravado, n., Defiant or swaggering behavior;

pretense of courage or false show of bravery.

A disposition toward showy defiance or false expressions of courage."

Seems to cover jeffreytrochelman's self-important little rantings quite well.

Usually indicates an obsessive problem, often alcohol or stimulant abuse.

[weneedhelp]

Main Entry: bra·va·do Listen to the pronunciation of bravado

Pronunciation: \brə-ˈvä-(ˌ)dō\

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural bra·va·does or bra·va·dos

Etymology:  Middle French bravade & Old Spanish bravata, from Old Italian bravata, from bravare to challenge, show off, from bravo

Date: circa 1580

1 a: blustering swaggering conduct b: a pretense of bravery

2: the quality or state of being foolhardy

[HughJorgaan]

"blustering swaggering conduct b: a pretense of bravery"

I don't think Mister Macho gets the joke.

Perhaps it's because he's the punchline.

[jeffreytrochelman]

legalboxer- I posted a reply to your drivel but it didn't seem to work. If you don't care for my methods in addressing Fishface. That is your issue. Extra ordinary claims demand extra ordinary proof. If he choses to belittle Ray . Back it up with more then BS . He has my email. PROVE IT. And what is the big deal with HIDING behind those feeble screen names. Protection from the bogeyman. I never step over a legal line or threaten anyone. So, I am happy to meet you. whoever the hell you are.

[BlazingFerret]

"Message me your name, position and Dept.

I'll easily find out what type of blow heart you really are"

Yeah, like anyone is stupid enough to ID themselves on Youtube, esp. to some delusional dimwit who can't even spell.

I notice you don't quibble about his description of how the blackbook works. Maybe because you don't have a fucking clue - but feel compelled to spew your arrogant codswallop to anyone bored enough to listen.

Nobody gives a fuck. If you can't debate the facts, quit.

[jeffreytrochelman]

Blazing Ferret I'd be happy to discuss anything fish face has to offer. Unfortunately he appears to be as cowardly as some others here. Debate the facts ? Hummmm and I suppose you are the fellow that has access to said FACTS? You and Fish face may want to compare notes, your both obviously a tad behind the learning curve. Read his profile and feedback. Fish face is a real charmer as well as a lier.

[jeffreytrochelman]

I reposted this to the top so all can view your bravado .I was addressing Raid but ok .ResurrectedFish -REALLY ! "Whining like a girl" I had no idea I was addressing one of such prominence. Message me your name, position and Dept.

I'll easily find out what type of blow heart you really are. Go ahead Fish! I use my real name on line, anybody can check anything I claim. Add EARTHLINK(dot)net and you can actually speak with the "whining girl" Balls in your court bitch. Put up or shut up.

[ResurrectedFish]

"a leftwing clown who couldn't even make GS-13 in the CIA"

When I worked for the SecDef, the daily CIA courier was another GS-12 whose job was abolished; this just kept him on 'til retirement.

About once a month he'd get a question about something & take it back to the DCI's office. None of the biggies has time to listen to some BS briefing every day when Service Secretaries & Senators can't even get squeezed in without blowing the Chief of Staff.

His "resume" is a bit ... inflated.

[Tinils]

Rumsfeld is a piece of shit

[HaidDeSalaami]

Why would anyone pay attention to a leftwing clown who couldn't even make GS-13 in the CIA? And one who spent his entire "career" shuffling papers at Langley, and whose most exciting overseas assignment were management seminars in the Bahamas (at our expense).

Here's an economics analyst who never had a spook job in his life, and whose only thrill was getting to read stuff every morning to the President ... stuff that REAL CIA officers wrote.

He's entitled to his opinion. So is my plumber.

[jeffreytrochelman]

Your entitled to your opinion, unfortunately your all mouth and no substance. But hey, I'm certain your half ass opinion is without doubt more worthy then that of Mr McGovern.

Just curious, when was the last time you briefed the President. If I had the space I would blow so many bloody holes in your lame ass arguments you'd be pissing in a thousand directions. Fortunately for you, being mentally incompetent will spare you from common sense. Enjoy your warm fussy world. Nice an safe.

[ResurrectedFish]

"If I had the space I would blow so many bloody holes in your lame ass arguments"

Go ahead then, instead of whining like a girl.

As he points out, this lame little bookkeeper now pretends he was some sort of spook instead of just the midlevel weenie lugging the daily blackbook around to State, DoD, HSASC,SASC, the White House & a dozen other stops. He sat outside the door while each guy read it, and passed any questions back to the spooks if necessary.

"Briefed the Pres" - snicker, snicker.

[jeffreytrochelman]

I was addressing Raid but ok .ResurrectedFish -REALLY ! "Whining like a girl" I had no idea I was addressing one of such prominence. Message me your name, position and Dept. I'll easily find out what type of blow heart you really are. Go ahead Fish! I use my real name on line, anybody can check anything I claim. Add EARTHLINK(dot)net and you can actually speak with the "whining girl" Balls in your court clown. Put up or shut up.

[legalboxer]

"Here's an economics analyst who never had a spook job in his life"

Why does every idiot think that anyone who worked at CIA or DIA is some sort of freakin' spook. The vast majority of employees just push paper, and 95% of it would bore you shitless ... monthly steel production figures for Portugal, number of tanker rail cars in the Loire, ad nauseum.

And the great majority of those who try to profit from their "CIA experience" couldn't find the DO's office at Langley without a map.

[1966BOBBY]

Do the majority of Americans not read? -How did they allow themselves to think it was Sadaam responsible for 9/11?

Does anyone even mention Bin Laden anymore?