In either case, I like this video and I followed news of Steve Biko when I was a teenager up to his assassination. This portion (wish I could see the whole thing) should be seen in conjunction with Biko's classic book "I Write What I Like."
Steve biko wanted democracy that is all, and he fought for it with eloquence and intelligence, a brilliant man who shone like a beacon of hope for all of south africa,s people both black and white, may he rest in eternal peace,
@britturk123 No he wanted African people to be self determining self define and self conscious. Democracy is just a word. Not one African country prescribe to our own system based on a African mind. They are all Europeans states. I don't know about you but as a African decent person. I'm not interested in imitating western white system of theft corruption murder imperialism colonialism and etc. Africa has its own historical empires and civilization to built off and evolve.
@arronnov I bow to your knowledge, i am british and have only seen a few interviews which i thought shone brightly but whether or not you think democracy is a reality and i agree with you that the term democracy is not adered to by western countries but nor is it adered to in africa by black africans if you are honest , but mr biko was a man who loved his people enough to bare his soul and ultimately give his life.
@britturk123 Its not about you bowing to my knowledge. Its about historical truth. Western white consciousness and worldview has been shoved down throats of African people and the rest of the worlds non white indigenous people. The white program in which the majority of whites not all believe non white people don't have any culture or knowledge so they must follow or be lead by whites to survive.
@arronnov Obviously your persnal experience,s give more depth to your feeling and i agree with everything you say but most people of intelligence will know already that africans are as if not more in tune with thier own culture and that you have all over africa extensive and important values. Racism is pathetic and yes whites did supress the truth and created lies about africans for hundreds of years.
@britturk123 Where not in tune with our own historical cultures. Our consciousness have been falsified with foreign Arab and western white cultures. The majority of us have self hate for a African identity. Where did we learn that? Who benefits from us being in that condition.
@britturk123 As a person of African decent living in America to be entrain in the schools that are white control and constructed. I've experience and seen on a daily basis of a message pushed on black minds that black people never had any knowledge empire civilization culture values and etc. Over and over and generation after generation our minds are condition to think where inferior which leads us to accept that everything whites offer is right for us universal and true.
@arronnov Whites are not superior. The reason why Western civilization has progressed the furthest today is because it developed in a central location, the Mediterranean - and it was influenced by cultures surrounding it on all sides, including but not limited to African cultures such as Ethiopia. I see no reason to describe Western culture as a "white" culture and I see nothing wrong with spreading its benefits. That's not to say that it is without faults, however - let's be honest :)
@wolfieinu Well western culture isn't African Asian world islands or native American culture. I don't look at materials things as advancement. Hell the ancient Egyptian had plenty of materials things. They built pyramids that western whites can't duplicate with their so-called most advance technology the planet has ever seen. The fact is humanity and consciousness has De-evolved in the past 600yrs to today. Why?
@arronnov Well, nobody can duplicate the pyramids with the known level of technology at the time. We don't know how it was done without cranes or engines, but it would be easy enough today if someone had the money to waste.
I don't know what you mean by human consciousness devolving. We ended slavery, secured equal rights for women and minorities, linked the world with communications and trade, etc.
@wolfieinu First who's a minority because black people have never been a minority. The certain words whites use are with a purpose of control and denegration of others. Second as a African decent person who looks at Africans and our relationship towards our women vs Europeans. Its not even close Africans from the Egyptians to Zulus made our into Gods. You can see this in our deities carving all over Africa. African women had always had power. That changes with foreign ideals.
@arronnov Dude, slow down a second, it's been a while since I've had to write essays :) I'll just address these one at a time ... first, African society is very patriarchal. I'm not saying that to judge, by the way. But to say that women are liberated in traditional African society is just not true. Second, pyramids and similar monuments were common structures in the ancient world, not just Africa. And I don't know what it has to do with being spiritual so yeah.
@wolfieinu Third you would have to be highly spiritual and conscious to build pyramids. Thats what Africans where at that time. Forth you talk about linking the world with communication and trade. That wouldn't be possible without resources and knowledge. We all know that without African resources western and Asian technologies and economies would collapse in a matter of a few months without African natural resources.
@arronnov As for resources, that's very true. The British invaded the South African Republic and put my ancestors into concentration camps, where >50% of our child population were exterminated. They did this because they wanted our gold and diamonds and other minerals. Africa is being exploited by neocolonialists who spread instability so that we will be willing to sell them our own resources just to survive. Western countries do this, but China does so as well.
@arronnov I don't see how my ancestors are any of your business, but we've lived in South Africa for about 400 years, which is longer than many black South Africans' ancestors have lived here. Why do you ask? Who were your ancestors then?
@wolfieinu Your forgetting that your ancestor aren't indigenous to that land. They are invaders. As far as your believe in your ancestors being their longer than other black south Africans. Its nothing more than propaganda and justification for past and present action. Whites have used justification in their written history and media to put in the minds of others that their action are justify and righteous.
@arronnov So as long as it disagrees with you, it's propaganda? Sorry, no, that's not how it works. We know these things from archaeology as well as the histories kept by tribes themselves. The real history of the world is a lot more interesting than "the whites are bad". Not that we haven't done bad things, you understand. But real history is more interesting than you seem to believe. As for not being indigenous, well... most Americans aren't indigenous to America, so...
@wolfieinu If it not in the interest of black people hell yeah! Thats what's been going around this planet the past 600yrs to today. Non whites are suppose follow the consciousness and worldview of whites. Now who do you thing that will benefit and who that will hurt and control. As for as real history coming from whites black people have specific historical reason to be suspect. Through white academia you have to come to whites to get approval on history.
@wolfieinu As far as the indegious of the Americas concern the indegious of African haven't been put on the brink of extinction. Where still around but the Aids attack is a weapon used to dwindle our numbers.
@wolfieinu I take from your comments your claiming to be a so-called jew. If that the case you have no problem with other coming to other peoples lands claiming ownership. As long as you can say that your god gave it to you so you can use any means to get it back.
@arronnov I'm not a Jew, buddy. I'm German / French / Irish / Xhosa, if you must know. I'm a Boer, not a Jew. Which is sad in a way because Jews are awesome, but hey.
@wolfieinu I don't know any so-called Europeans calling themselves. The ones controlling much of this planet aren't taled about or attacked by rest of the other so-called Jews about their behavior. That being said your still decent of invaders. I don't care about the Xhosa part because you obviously side with a western white view of the world. That's your business!
@wolfieinu I don't follow Christiantiy belief of forgiveness and you be judge when you go to heaven. I believe and follow African traditional means and ways. When wrong somebody or do things wrongs. You are judge and make atonement. Where on this planet has western whites had to be judge or make atonement for their past and continue action. No where! They believe they get to keep land and resources gotten through theft murder and deception.
@arronnov Okay, you're making less sense all the time, so let's wrap this up. You believe whites are evil, that's your problem. But it's a bit ironic for you to say these things in the comments on a video about Steve Biko, who was a martyr for non-racialism.
If you want to live in the past and promote hatred, there's not much I can do about that. Personally I prefer to build the future, but if you want to stay stuck in the past I can't do anything about that. Peace bro
@wolfieinu I really don't care about whites being evil as long as its not at the expensive and survival of black people. We both know that hasn't been the case. Whites have a program which the majority like to push their agenda ahead of other people. When you don't agree fight or what the white paradigm out of your life. Your attack! I to look to the future with a keen I on the past to make sure black people control their own consciousness reality determination and will.
@wolfieinu I promote reality. That reality is that people need land and resources to survive on this planet. The problem is western white civilization through its program and action seems the planet and everyone in it is at its will at any cost. I'm about destroying western white paradigm out of African people's life's. We have our own historical worldview in which we will evolve for our present and future.
@arronnov Listen, I agree that in Africa we need to stop looking to the West (US, UK, EU) to solve all our problems. African solutions for African problems, I agree with you 100%. But what does that have to do with white people? Or why does that mean we can't incorporate Western ideals if they work? I don't quite understand how you get from "Africa needs true independence" to "therefore, we need an ethnocentric and anti-progress worldview". Doesn't make sense to me bro...
@wolfieinu I have problem with white people and Arab people because its their world view we are prescribe to in Africa and the diaspora. Were not coming to solve our problems from our own historical worldview that we evolve for present day. Every African country is a imitation European western state not of their consciousness but that of invaders who want control of African minds land and resources.
@wolfieinu You speak of a ethnocentric and anti progress worldview. You mention a African worldview. Why is that? Every whites have gone the past 600yrs across the planet. They've brought Christian/Judaic God which looks like them. The indigenous end speaking Europeans languages with Europe names and etc.In the end western white laws rules and regulation is controlling us. While the land and resources are under white control. We get the bible and white got our land and minds.
@arronnov Christianity is not European. It is a Near Eastern / African religion. The oldest continuously used churches in the world are in Ethiopia. It is true that some art in churches shows God being white, however I have seen many images of God as black, and I have no problem with that. God is not human anyway, so assigning a human "race" or tribe to God is nonsensical.
@wolfieinu Christianity is a European religion is was formulate by councils head by roman emperors. When the council finally finished the dark ages started in Europe by physically and conditioning Europeans with Christianity. After the end the Dark ages the so-called Renaissance started in which the so-called New world was open to Europeans. 600yrs of Europeans forcing Christianity on other groups culture or races by force.
@arronnov You're just plain wrong about Christianity being a European religion. The Council of Nicea was attended by people from all over including African representatives. And as I said the oldest Christian church in the whole world is in Ethiopia. So please stop talking nonsense.
@wolfieinu You say Christianity is a Near Eastern/African religion but it wasn't so-called near Eastern people nor African spreading it around the planet the past 600yrs. I'm well aware of the version of Christianity in Ethiopia. It being no different than any other spiritual tradition of African historical cultures. However like all other African spiritual tradition our gods or numerous deities looked like indigenous Africans.
@wolfieinu Our gods looked like us not European not Arab not Asian and natives of Americas. Humanity all over the planet used deities and gods that look like them to show ones divinity. Now fast forward the past 600yrs where western white civilization even today push Christian/Judaic images of god and his son looking like Europeans. That's psychological war of the mind for control.
@arronnov Dude, I've seen so many pictures of God as black that I just don't know where you're coming from with this. As for pictures of Jesus, most often they show Him as a Jew because He was one while on Earth. But hey, I'm not a Jew, in fact I'm mostly German and it doesn't offend me that Jesus is Jewish in pictures. If you want to find something to be offended about then you can, but I think it's a bit silly to say that Christianity is European when in fact it's Mideastern/African.
@hlo57n Images are very important. If it wasn't important your wouldn't see the Christian God or Jesus depicted as white Mohammed depicted as Arab or Buddha depicted looking Indian.
@hlo57n As far as principles who's principles are black people to follow! I'm sure not going to follow the principles of western white civilization or Arab Islam. Black people have been condition from our own historical principles in favor of foreign principles. I'm in favor of following the principles of thieves invaders murder and killers. Their universal principles from Islam and Christianity/Judaism hasn't been good when it comes to their relationship with black people.
@wolfieinu Before you tell me about the Black Madonnas and child in Europe. Remember they weren't made and placed there by African people. Europeans made them those statues and paintings of the black Madonnas and child. The beg the question where they get the inspiration for this. It wasn't from the Near Eastern. It came from African Egyptian dieties of Isis and Horus.
@arronnov That Europeans, inspired by the Egyptian god Horus, made pictures of a black Madonna to sell Christianity to Africans. That's just weird. Did you miss the part where the Ethiopian Church has been active longer than Europeans even knew about Christianity at all? How inactive and uncreative do you imagine black Africans to be, that you think everything they do today was "forced on them" by whites? Point is, no culture on Earth is pure, we all mix influences to some extent.
@wolfieinu The concept of the black Madonna and child being inspired by the Egyptian god Horus Isis and Osiris isn't weird. Its truth along with going past your realm of knowledge or believe. The Greeks/Romans came into Egypt. Both of them copied or pattern their own gods of Nile valley civilization Gods. IE Nubia Ethiopia and Egypt! All three practice and honor the gods Ptah Isis Osiris horus and etc.
@wolfieinu Ethopia has pyramids and obelisk just like Nubia and Egypt. Matter of fact Ethopia has the oldest and biggest obelisk in the world. Its recently just got return from Italy. Guess where the obelisk was located in Italy. Its wasn't located in Palermo Cicily and etc. It was located right smack down in the Vatican. The home of Christianity and all its varies branches and forms.
@wolfieinu As far as African decent people not being uncreative I could never come to a ignorant conclusion like that. African people being the first people have been the base of knowledge for humanity past and present in some form from science math music and etc. African decent people in America are the most influence people on the planet.
@wolfieinu Our youth which I was a part of during that time created a music and culture called hip hop. That spread all over this planet. Its so copied and popular that it out sells traditional music of other people. I don't need to get into the black inventors that whites like to leave out in America history books.
@arronnov Wait wait, so you want to cite African-Americans as an example of African culture?? Dude, they're Americans. Cultural Westerners. Sure lots of people imitate them, tho. What's tragic to me is how South Africans are imitating their accent and customs and so on, losing their own dialects and culture in the process. If you wanted an example of African culture, why the heck are you mentioning Americans?
@wolfieinu You just made my points for me. Look at the condition that we are in today. No people who are taken away from their cultural base will survive long or survive in a functional manner. We are victims of vampires who's likes cravings and wants benefit the vampire. Also stop with defining who and what black people are on this planet. We will do that ourselves.
@wolfieinu So me a people or culture who doesn't have control of their own culture I show you controlled programmed culture. It nothing wrong with other influence only if the influence is coming from the perspective of the host culture with the intention of being used for that people in their best interest and for their survival.
@arronnov True enough tho, what you say about having control of your own culture. Those who have no control over (or worse, interest in) their own culture and history, are people who have lost control over their destiny and future. It's a sad situation to be in.
@wolfieinu Its not by accidents that during slavery in the Americans and colonialism in Africa. That divide and conquer was used on black people. Christianity is brought in with a image of a white universal god for all mankind. The changing of names languages and etc. The educational system financial system social system and etc are all based from the worldview of white man.
@arronnov Looks like we're actually agreeing on a lot of things, but from different directions. Especially how the "superpowers" are having lots of fun playing divide and conquer. And in Africa we're too complacent, badly informed and apathetic to do anything about it. I'm still not sure why you decide to equate black people with Africans tho, such that all blacks are Africans and whites can't be African. But whatever, you've got your reasons I guess.
@wolfieinu Lets be real here. You have to have land and resources to survive on this planet. African is the diamond or perfect 10 when it comes to this on the planet. No other land on this earth is equal. Black people have had to pay for this because our ancestral lands is the richest. Where suppose to let European decent people control Africa or where ever we reside on this planet.
@wolfieinu Where suppose to allow the rules laws and regulation which go counter to our historical ones benefit the west and now Asian at the expense of our interest and survival. I don't think so. I said this before the native Americans are all about extinct. Their will be a cause and affect for what have to them. African decent people have gone extinct. We need our land for our purpose interest and survival.
@wolfieinu Europeans who calling themselves Jews with the backing of the west along with the bible a book of mythology laid came to what is called Israel. These European decent historical never had any connection to this land. This was imperialism and colonialism the past 600yrs. It just happen in 1947. African decent people on the continent and in the diaspora don't need to have a book of mythology to lay claim to our homeland.
@arronnov Look man, I don't claim African land for any foreign power. I was born here, my ancestors were born here, etc. for 400 years. If I held dual citizenship, or worked for a foreign company such as Anglo-American to dig up African resources and give it to foreigners, then maybe there would be something to your claims. But I'm not a European colonist in Africa, except if you believe that a black American is an African colonist in America who should "go back to Africa" or some shit
@wolfieinu Where your origins? Are you Indigenous to Africa. Being born in Africa doesn't answer those question. It boils down to worldview power and control. The whole planet where whites have gone in the past 600yrs have suffered and had their self determination force away and taken by a western white system. We are waking up slowly but surely. We have to have our land we have been inhabiting for over 50000yrs.
@wolfieinu The vary land that help us shape us to became the Zulus Ashanti Egyptian Nubians Ethiopians TWA Hutu and etc. We didn't do that in Europe Asia or the America's.
@arronnov Well, I'm not from America, Asia, or Europe either, pal. So what's your problem? Question, are you American? Because you were talking about Chicago and New York and such earlier.
@arronnov So, you're American, right? An American who is black. Not an "African-American" who needs to "go back to Africa." In the same way, I'm an African who is white. Not a "European-African" who needs to "go back to Europe." Make sense?
@wolfieinu See that's been the problem the past 600yrs to today. Western white civilization has been the author of defining everybody else. Your this your that or your savage primitive and etc. Who's in charge of black people's self determination self realization and self consciousness? The question is easy for me to answer in light of the history of the past 600ys to today all over this planet. Whites or European decent pushes their version of these things as universal for all people
@wolfieinu With the mindset and worldview whites have no issue today or the past 600yrs believing the lands in the Americas Africa Asia and world islands belong to them because they are superior back with the blessing of the one and only god of mankind.
@wolfieinu Never mind the fact that Africa is our indigenous homeland but the fact that is the richest natural resource land on the planet and fertile agricultural land which makes it the wealthiest on this planet. I most be remiss for wanting land for black people to call our own based on our historical consciousness worldview and reality. Not the view of whites. We all know the that view has help wipe out the Native Americas indigenous. Australians and world island indigenous
@arronnov Yeah well great, but I'm not Australian or American. In South Africa we didn't commit mass genocide, we tried to find some way to coexist. Unfortunately the first attempts led to apartheid, which was a mistake and has been corrected. But there was no genocide here unlike in Oz and the US. As for the whole "mindset" and "worldview" thing, explain it to me then. Because all you're saying is that the "white worldview" must be replaced, but you never said what to replace it with.
@wolfieinu How is somebody attempting to coexist when they are the ones invading. Nature universal justice that belief and mindset doesn't add up. A thief breaks in your home kills abuses robbed deceives your family. You finally get power enough to get rid of the thief so you can resume your existence through your worldview and consciousness. Your don't owe the thieve any anything in the means you choose to get rid of his asses out of your home.
@arronnov As for your parable of the robber, think about it for a second. Does a robber come somewhere and build new things? Roads, cities, hospitals, running water, organized legal systems, systems of writing, etc. Modern African culture has benefited, just as ancient Western European culture benefited from Roman invasion. It's true that there has been exploitation by colonial powers but white Africans don't secretly work for Europe, we live here now. Don't like it that's your problem
@wolfieinu I'm tried of here this bullshit of somehow black people Asian or native America benefit by having been invaded murder stolen from killed culture suppressed religion suppressed will suppressed consciousness suppressed and etc. As far as white working secretly. They don't push and live a western paradigm on stolen lands that they believe they have authority with fear of justice coming because of this behavior.
@wolfieinu As far as worldview its quiet simple. Government education politics fiance names religions gods languages and etc all come from the view of whites. Western whites have portrayed black people not having any of these things. So in essences whites have to give them to black people Asians and native Americans for us to be enlighten live and be civilized on this planet. When blacks are taught history schools in the western world. From what perspective is that history?
@wolfieinu Remember in western schools in Africa to America. Where taught that in Western history black people never did anything until whites came along to teach us. They took ancient Egypt out of Africa and made it a non African invention.
@wolfieinu I ask you a question in the past 600yrs to today anywhere western white imperialism and colonialism has happen. Why haven't European decent people taken on the names of Africans Native Americans Asians and etc?Think about somebody humanity.Then think about the psychological conscious and subconscious power that goes along with controlling just somebody's name.Now think about a white worldview that I talk about when it comes one's reality education politics fiances and etc.
@arronnov First of all Ancient Egypt was a long time ago and was not run by the Nubians (ancestors of Bantu ethnic groups), so I don't know why you're talking about that. If you look across Africa, before Western civilization it was very primitive technologically, sociologically, etc. There were some flashes of brilliance in East Africa, Great Zimbabwe, the Zulu Empire... but it was too late.
@wolfieinu I love your pushing of this propaganda that Africa was in the dark until Europeans came and saved them.Western white academics has pushed the justification message constantly the past 600yrs in a attempt to hide their evil across this planet. As far as ancient Egypt not modern Egypt being anything other than a African civilization originate in the heart of southern central Africa. There's no need no more to argue the point.
@arronnov Africa is not the first time a place was invaded by technologically superior people. For example, barbarian Europe was invaded by the civilized Romans, who got many of their advances from Greeks and Egyptians. Then there were the Mongol invasions, and the only reason why white people aren't extinct now is because the Mongol Empire had internal problems and had to fall back to go take care of those. Africa isn't unique in this regard.
@wolfieinu Once again I'm a tell you that Indegious majority Africans don't have argue against needing to control our lands. You can speak about Europe justification to you are blue in the face. The simple fact any need land and resource to survive. The logic is the lands that they originate from to not cause any problems or injustice with another people.
@arronnov Your English is getting more and more difficult to understand but you're repeating yourself. As for the fact that Africans/Asians don't have colonies overseas, it's not for lack of trying, they just weren't as successful. But there have been African colonies in Europe - the Moorish Kingdoms of Spain. Black Muslims who ruled Spain for several centuries and had white slaves. It happens both ways, except Western civilization has been more successful lately. That's all.
@wolfieinu Are black Muslim in Europe running and controlling Europe today! The answer is No. Matter of fact whites got back control of their lands and resources. They kick out the invaders. Image that whites finally expelling foreign invading black Muslim according to their worldview self determination self realize and self consciousness. Whites wanted control of their indigenous lands image that!
@arronnov No, the black Muslims are not running Spain today. Also, whites are not running South Africa. But that doesn't mean that Spain today has a policy to kill all Spanish black Muslims. So it makes no sense for you to promote a policy to kill all white Africans. South Africa is free already, genocide would be excessive. QED
@wolfieinu You mean the whites don't control the resource like the gold mine diamonds mines uranium mines and etc! They don't also control or own the best land and food producing land. Keep in mind that the ownership of land laws rules and regulation came from a white western worldview not a indigenous African one.
@wolfieinu When the Moors where kicked out their rules laws regulation where thrown out and as well the land was taken back by the indigenous Spanish. Like I said before all people need control of their own land under their self determination not a foreign parasitic one. The Spanish weren't interested in universal togetherness. They didn't want foreign occupiers and their descendants controlling Spain anymore so they had to go.
@wolfieinu I said nothing about killing so-called white Africans. If the Spanish can have this kind of self determination after being occupied for over 800yrs than the indigenous people of African can have the same self determination. The problem is that there really isn't anything in Spain or Europe resources wise. However Africa is the world's bread basket when it comes to natural resources.
@wolfieinu Remember whites didn't come to Africa and South Africa being civil or peaceful. They came in warring killing and taking control of my ancestors land. The Spanish weren't thing about the feelings or being moral to Moors when they kicked them out. Its cause and affect reap what you sow and karma. The Moors at the end of Spanish occupation didn't invade Spain but they carried on their for fathers mission and program. The Spanish still wanted them out of their lands.
@arronnov As for the Moors and the Spaniards, there are actually a lot of influences in Spanish and Portuguese culture that come from the Moors. So yeah.
@arronnov Whites in Africa weren't civil or peaceful, eh? Well, neither were the Zulus when they conquered 1/3rd of South Africa and destroyed or assimilated the other tribes there. So, should we kick the Zulus back to Ulundi and give the land back to the Khoi/San? Or do the Zulus get a pass because they're black?
@wolfieinu First of all your version of history is based on western propaganda. We don't know who was in the land on a full time bases for the simple facts in ancient times tribes migrated on cycles for specific reason.Second whether isn't the Khoi San Zulus Ashanti twa Hutu or whatever.Their all indigenous to the land not Europeans of the past 600yrs but more specifically the whites of the past 180yrs. The Mirada of African tribes owe European decent nothing when it comes to the land in Africa.
@arronnov No, dude, the Bantu-speaking tribes are not indigenous to South Africa at all. They're part of the Ethiopian diaspora after the collapse of the Nubian Empire. They don't belong on the subcontinent any more than us whiteys do. They conquered the lands of the Khoi/San. So I ask again: should we deport the Zulus back to Ulundi (or perhaps Ethiopia, where they are from originally)? If not, why not? If your answer is "because they're black" then you're just a racist after all.
@wolfieinu No dude that's your western white view on African history. Its so amazing that white men not Asians or any other groups believe its their duty to teach and tell the mothers and fathers of humanity are history according to them for their interest. You do the name Bantu is of European construct. White men like naming things despite other cultures version or origins of another name.
@arronnov No, "bantu" means "people" in most of the Bantu languages. It's an ethnic/ cultural/language group originating from Ethiopia. Understand this: whatever you call them, they're from Ethiopia, not South Africa. If white South Africans have no claim to this land then neither do they, because the Khoi/San were already living here before they showed up and massacred them.
@wolfieinu I know what Bantu means however the indegious people in Africa didn't call ourselves that. Now with generation after generation all of a sudden Africans are calling themselves Bantu. Its like the European and Arabic names where carry and pass on without hesitation to our seeds. You see this every where imperialism and colonialism of western white civilization.
@wolfieinu However I understand your mentality. Its the one that white man has been trying to force on mankind by stealth education or force. The white man has absolute universal truth so he can do whatever and to whoever without consequence or repercussion.
@wolfieinuYour mentality is no different than the Europeans decent people here in the Americas Australia New Zealand Pacific Islands and etc. This is our land no matter what.Fuck the indigenous they have no justified right before our own.However the Spanish can dispel the Moors out of their indigenous lands after 800yrs. That's righteous and good according to your mentality. Its justified to me just like indigenous Africans getting rid of their descendants of invaders.
@wolfieinu I'm not about this play along to get along nonsense or where all one apart of the globe world crap. Western governments lead by white men have push their will on people. Their doing it today in Libya Egypt probably Iran and etc. Nobody is suppose to have power except western white lead countries and their organization.
@arronnov You're talking nonsense, in South Africa the candidates are elected by the majority. And I vote for a black candidate last election. You somehow believe that a white person living in Africa is part of some kind of global conspiracy against Africa. That's just dumb.
@wolfieinu You dismiss Africans claim to their land and to kick-out invaders however the Spanish after over 800yrs of invasion kick-out their invader its all good. The Spanish people don't want to hear about what the Moors did they just wanted them out.
@arronnov But the Moors were an enemy empire, man. They weren't members of the Spanish kingdoms. White Africans are citizens of the countries that they live in. You're comparing apples to orangutans here. I'm glad that colonialism ended - in South Africa we were also victims of colonialism at one point, when the British killed half our child population in concentration camps. So yeah, kick out colonialists, I'm down with that. I however am not a colonialist, as I said before.
@wolfieinu All the moors weren't apart of the empire however since they were decent of the invaders. They had to go also because the Spanish didn't want any remnants of their oppression of a living visual enemy. Let me make it plain like the Spanish did when it came to the Moors. All our lands and resource are nationalize and belong to Spanish indigenous people. If you stay you obey because your mixed because of the yrs of invasion. You will follow Spanish laws and rules.
@wolfieinu That doesn't work in South Africa or the rest of Africa because every country which was divided territorially by white man are imitation Europe states. Not one of them are based on African historical values consciousness and self determination. The Spanish didn't honor in non of ways of their enemies. Theirs a verse in the bible that say not to honor in known of the ways of your enemies.
@arronnov Hence apartheid, which attempted to create independent states for each tribe, allowing them to create their own systems, not influenced by Western values. Obviously apartheid didn't work tho, so there you have it. It's been tried and I don't want to see it happen again (except if you want apartheid back). Seriously tho, you still haven't explained why I who live in Africa need to go back to Europe, but you who live in America don't need to go back to Africa. Explain that.
@wolfieinu First of all my ancestors didn't come over here under their free will. Second the whites who went all over the world under colonialism and imperialism used a mind state. That the indigenous people didn't have a right to inherited the lands they been living on generation after generation. Whites had the never to justify these action all over the planet as being ordain by their version of god.
@arronnov Well, lots of white South Africans came here because they owed money to the Dutch East India Company. So they either had to come to South Africa and work on a farm, or go to a Dutch prison. Others were refugees from religious wars and had nowhere else to go. Others came here recently like my one grandfather, an anti-Nazi German who had to flee Europe because Hitler wanted him dead. So I don't know where you get the idea that whites are here just to oppress them some Africans.
@arronnov I still think you're missing the point a bit. As I said before, all the inhabitants of South Africa are colonialists, except the Khoi/San, and they're almost extinct. Most South Africans including white ones do have some San ancestry though, if that makes any difference. So why should only the white colonialists leave but the black ones can stay? None of us really belong here.
@wolfieinu I get your point loud and clear. Your through your words and western white worldview belief that whites have claim to lands that they are not indegious too. Your history on all inhabitants of South Africa are colonialist is the poor attempt of whites legitimating their claim to lands in Africa at any cost. Its like Africans going to Germany or any other Europe land and laying claim with your words. The whites their would automatic start war to remove the invaders.
@wolfieinu Am not ignorant without Africa the western world and Asian world economies crash in matter of weeks to a few months. A quote from the movie "Gone with the wind" "Land is the only thing worth having or fighting to maintain". Africans most have our own lands periods. You keep pushing your propaganda about nobody was in South Africa. Only stupid ignorant people fall for western rhetoric and justification of their action. A thieve is a thieve.
@wolfieinu Nice try for trying to keep the pushing the rules laws regulation and worldview of how western whites see the world on me. I'm just suppose to bow down and allow this 600yrs of white domination over black people the world over mentally and physically. Where suppose to agree and maintain the status quo of the gains of whites the world over that's been passed to their descents based on evil. I don't think so! Its not payback just Justice.
@wolfieinu Third the word apartheid and the action of it are a western white construct. It didn't come from the minds of Africa. Forth if you steal from other people and their the majority in their indigenous lands. When they want them back under their control and the invaders out. That's justice just like the Spanish kick out Africans after 800yrs of occupation in which I don't have a issue with it.
@wolfieinu Lets look at the rules laws regulation of commerce economic and finance that Africans are told to use as their means of maintaining themselves. We deal with a buyers market that Western whites of New-york Paris London and etc set the prices for African resources. Image that! Look at the past 70yrs where the west was hell bent from letting Africans every being able to control their destiny with the resources by having manufacturing on the continent.
@arronnov As for the resources, I know all about that. Anglo-American basically owns our country. Do you think it makes me happy that the people who are exploiting our land are the same race as me? I couldn't care less if they had three eyes and came from Mars, I want them to GTFO. Those are our resources and should benefit the people of South Africa. Race has fuckall to do with it.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
@wolfieinu Show me and tell me where a larger amount of whites on this planet that have non European base names. Your not going to find any. They follow in the line of their ancestor. You do understand the power of one's own name. Non white indigenous people have meaning and purpose with names. Do you understand the importance of indigenous people have their own gods. Its shows their own divinity. Whites knows this! I should say the political and power hungry conscious do.
@arronnov You're talking about Africans having "European" names (which is not something that you see often in Africa, by the way, but whatever). But look at my ancestors, the Germanic barbarians of Western Europe. Many of us now have Roman / Latin names, or Slavic names. This is what happens when people are conquered by another civilization. You're reading a lot of stuff into it.
@wolfieinu Our consciousness has been falsified by outsiders IE western whites and Arabs. Then wonder why hate ourselves. We hate our own historical foods names clothes hair color shapes of our nose features and etc. In our minds we been condition to believe that without whites we can't survive on this planet. We think we need or look for their approval. We forgot we rules our owns states Egypt Nubia Ethiopia Great Zimbabwe Zulu Ghana Mali Songhai Timbuktu and etc.
@arronnov If you hate yourself so much, then you have issues to sort out. Stop trying to feel better about yourself by hating people of other races. Take hold of your own destiny by defining what you ARE. Not by hating what you're NOT.
@wolfieinu I don't hate anybody. I'm a victim of physical and mentally condition of today and the past 600yrs. As victim I must identify the cause of this condition so I can stop it from happening today and in the future. I look to past and history before and during the start of the condition to best figure what's best.
@wolfieinu I don't know the amount of whites intention consciously or sub consciously. I know the majority of them push a non African worldview on us. Which in the end has us supporting white domination white survival and white interest before our own. This was seen 600yrs ago and when the Greeks first came to Egypt.
@wolfieinu What western ideals our you talking about? You mean allow the UN IMF World Bank CIA Mi6 American Military and Western corporation keep controlling Africa. All the things I mention where establish by whites with the strict purpose of maintaining the interest and survival of western white civilization. That is basically white supremacy.
@arronnov Western civilization =/= white civilization. In history, Western civilization was Roman / Greek civilization. I'm not Roman, I'm not Greek, yet I'm a member of Western civilization. I don't spend my time going on about how the Romans were evil because I write in their alphabet and worship their God.
@arronnov As for the UN, IMF, etc. You're preaching to the converted my friend, those organizations have caused us a lot of trouble in South Africa. Also, my ancestors' relatives were murdered in concentration camps by the British who wanted our gold. Don't play the victim, shit happens to everyone.
@wolfieinu You can hear talk in the media from tv books and such.Western civilization is being threaten. What the hell do you think has happen to Africa and African people the past 2000yrs but mainly the past 600yrs to today. Africa and African people have been condition think power only belongs to western white civilization and white people. Hence in Christianity/Judaism the image of God which is power is of a white man in African minds physically and mentally.
@wolfieinu In the America's Africa and the world over where ever black people live. We have images of a White God and Jesus in our Churches. Who taught us and brought us this Christian/Judaic white God. For what reason? Every where this has gone for the majority the people lands resources thoughts and worldview are gone. This is not by accidents. This is a program of death and control for black people.
@wolfieinu You want a Africa like China who is destroying its lands air and water with its development. We've been told to see ourselves as individuals independent from others especially here in America and the rest of western civilization. That's counter to the majority of African cultures of the past. The pyramids didn't get by one person.
@arronnov I don't want an Africa like China. I want an Africa like South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho, Swaziland. I want these countries to create a Federation or a Union. We are mostly stable and moderately prosperous, we are the free nations of Southern Africa. If Nigeria and Kenya fall to the invasion from the North, then we must form the resistance against nationalist Arabism and militant Islam. We are the hope of Africa. We cannot allow them to create another Darfur
@wolfieinu Western white civilization is coming to a end but not before it tries by any means to stay in power. Every civilization and empire comes to a end. Egypt Nubia and Ethiopia are among the oldest ruing empire being apart of the Nile valley civilization. They where over 10000yrs old. Western white civilization has it run the past 2000yrs but worldly the past 600yrs. America is less than 300 and is dying.
@arronnov You're right - Egypt and Nubia were great civilizations in their time, and civilization today owes a great debt to them. This proves that Africans (of all races) have nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not sure what your point is though, why you're mentioning this...
@wolfieinu I'm not down with this all races crap in Africa. The natives of America are all about wipeout. That goes for the peoples of the worlds island of the past 600yrs. The Asians thankful kept whites at bay as much as possible. Now Africa with all the resources and the best land on the planet. However African indigenous decent people are suppose to follow in the foot steps of the Native Americans and be wipe-out once and for all in the name foreign worldview. I think not!
@arronnov Wait wait wait, who said anything about wiping out all Africans (by which I assume you mean black people)? Where I live they are about 80% of the population and going strong. Africa is about 1/6 of the world's population, if I remember that right. As for HIV, Uganda is beating it already with education and altered lifestyles, no need for fancy expensive chemicals from multinational pharmaceutical companies...
@wolfieinu Am all about Africa for Africans! Black don't run Asian IE China Japan etc. We don't run and control Europe. We don't run and control the lands and colonies of America Australia and etc. Africa is our homeland we we should have domain and control over the land and resources like every other group and indigenous people of this planet.
@arronnov There you go again with race. That's what I don't understand. I agree that in Africa we need to become less dependent on the US / EU / UK / etc. But what does that have to do with race? It's not like those of us who live here (and are white) have dual citizenship, or are loyal to some foreign power, or are acting on behalf of a colonial nation, or whatever. Your arguments are great to use against (neo-)colonialism, but that has bugger-all to do with race...
@wolfieinu I have no problem with alliances however in a alliance when one partner does something against another. They should be punished. You have to have power to do that. That starts with knowledge of self. Black people having our self consciousness self determination and self realization. When in the past 600yrs to today has Africa and African people been able to punish western white civilization IE England France American and etc for their deeds.
@arronnov I know that the West goes around believing it can impose sanctions on whole nations, etc. I'm from South Africa, dude. The place that was placed under sanctions while we were trying to survive against Communist attacks... our own allies betrayed us. I know how they do things and I don't agree with such methods.
@wolfieinu Lets talk about communication which is based of the use sciences and math. Well the sciences and the maths come out of Africa. The ancient Egyptian where the Zenith of the Nile valley civilization. A formulation of 10000yrs of yrs of Africans making their way up the Nile river settling in the Nile Delta.
@arronnov The sciences and math don't come from Africa alone, they come from the Mediterranean civilizations, which included Greece and Rome. The development of math and science was spread across the whole region, not limited to Africa. As I said, Africa helped to lay the foundations of Western civilization.
@wolfieinu I told you about the math papyrus which out date the so-called Mediterranean civilizations by 1000yrs. Those pyramids and the sphinx are older than 8000yrs.
@arronnov OK, what is the math papyrus called and in which museum is it? Enlighten me. I have to say tho, I don't know what you mean by Egypt having math before the Mediterranean civilizations, because Egypt is one of the Mediterranean civilizations itself. Egyptian and Mideastern advances are part of current Western civilization.
@wolfieinu Now back to the math I've seen the math papyrus in the German Museum British Museum New York Museum. and the Chicago Museum my home town. They show algebra geometry and trigonometry. This predating Greece Roman Sumeria Babylon and who ever else whites decide to name. Also some of this is carved in stone in Egypt Nubia and Ethiopia that's over 6000yrs old.
You know what's strange, here Biko is calling for a nonracial society, and he died for this great ideal. Yet at the same time people in the comments on this vid are saying that all the whites need to be driven into the sea. How sad; not only was he killed, but now people are killing his ideals as well.
@wolfieinu His Ideal is nice and humane. However Africa lands and resources belongs to its indegious. Lets be real for a moment if people don't have land and resources they can't survive. The problem is western whites the past 600yrs through imperialism and colonialism thinks the planet belongs to them
People being people - same thing Ron Paul is saying. Division by race, creed, color, religion, etc - keeps us divided.
susietwotoo 4 days ago
Even when we try to live in peace they kill. He Had righteous ideas and the killed him. Damn shame
TimrodRa 4 days ago
@TimrodRa Okay, so who's "we" and "they" in this statement, brah?
wolfieinu 4 days ago
In either case, I like this video and I followed news of Steve Biko when I was a teenager up to his assassination. This portion (wish I could see the whole thing) should be seen in conjunction with Biko's classic book "I Write What I Like."
Themaddprof 1 week ago
foever a HERO
lilli5558 3 weeks ago
Steve biko wanted democracy that is all, and he fought for it with eloquence and intelligence, a brilliant man who shone like a beacon of hope for all of south africa,s people both black and white, may he rest in eternal peace,
britturk123 4 weeks ago
@britturk123 No he wanted African people to be self determining self define and self conscious. Democracy is just a word. Not one African country prescribe to our own system based on a African mind. They are all Europeans states. I don't know about you but as a African decent person. I'm not interested in imitating western white system of theft corruption murder imperialism colonialism and etc. Africa has its own historical empires and civilization to built off and evolve.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov I bow to your knowledge, i am british and have only seen a few interviews which i thought shone brightly but whether or not you think democracy is a reality and i agree with you that the term democracy is not adered to by western countries but nor is it adered to in africa by black africans if you are honest , but mr biko was a man who loved his people enough to bare his soul and ultimately give his life.
britturk123 1 week ago
@britturk123 Its not about you bowing to my knowledge. Its about historical truth. Western white consciousness and worldview has been shoved down throats of African people and the rest of the worlds non white indigenous people. The white program in which the majority of whites not all believe non white people don't have any culture or knowledge so they must follow or be lead by whites to survive.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Obviously your persnal experience,s give more depth to your feeling and i agree with everything you say but most people of intelligence will know already that africans are as if not more in tune with thier own culture and that you have all over africa extensive and important values. Racism is pathetic and yes whites did supress the truth and created lies about africans for hundreds of years.
britturk123 1 week ago
@britturk123 Where not in tune with our own historical cultures. Our consciousness have been falsified with foreign Arab and western white cultures. The majority of us have self hate for a African identity. Where did we learn that? Who benefits from us being in that condition.
arronnov 1 week ago
@britturk123 As a person of African decent living in America to be entrain in the schools that are white control and constructed. I've experience and seen on a daily basis of a message pushed on black minds that black people never had any knowledge empire civilization culture values and etc. Over and over and generation after generation our minds are condition to think where inferior which leads us to accept that everything whites offer is right for us universal and true.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Whites are not superior. The reason why Western civilization has progressed the furthest today is because it developed in a central location, the Mediterranean - and it was influenced by cultures surrounding it on all sides, including but not limited to African cultures such as Ethiopia. I see no reason to describe Western culture as a "white" culture and I see nothing wrong with spreading its benefits. That's not to say that it is without faults, however - let's be honest :)
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Well western culture isn't African Asian world islands or native American culture. I don't look at materials things as advancement. Hell the ancient Egyptian had plenty of materials things. They built pyramids that western whites can't duplicate with their so-called most advance technology the planet has ever seen. The fact is humanity and consciousness has De-evolved in the past 600yrs to today. Why?
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Well, nobody can duplicate the pyramids with the known level of technology at the time. We don't know how it was done without cranes or engines, but it would be easy enough today if someone had the money to waste.
I don't know what you mean by human consciousness devolving. We ended slavery, secured equal rights for women and minorities, linked the world with communications and trade, etc.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu First who's a minority because black people have never been a minority. The certain words whites use are with a purpose of control and denegration of others. Second as a African decent person who looks at Africans and our relationship towards our women vs Europeans. Its not even close Africans from the Egyptians to Zulus made our into Gods. You can see this in our deities carving all over Africa. African women had always had power. That changes with foreign ideals.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Dude, slow down a second, it's been a while since I've had to write essays :) I'll just address these one at a time ... first, African society is very patriarchal. I'm not saying that to judge, by the way. But to say that women are liberated in traditional African society is just not true. Second, pyramids and similar monuments were common structures in the ancient world, not just Africa. And I don't know what it has to do with being spiritual so yeah.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Third you would have to be highly spiritual and conscious to build pyramids. Thats what Africans where at that time. Forth you talk about linking the world with communication and trade. That wouldn't be possible without resources and knowledge. We all know that without African resources western and Asian technologies and economies would collapse in a matter of a few months without African natural resources.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov As for resources, that's very true. The British invaded the South African Republic and put my ancestors into concentration camps, where >50% of our child population were exterminated. They did this because they wanted our gold and diamonds and other minerals. Africa is being exploited by neocolonialists who spread instability so that we will be willing to sell them our own resources just to survive. Western countries do this, but China does so as well.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Who where your ancestors?
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov I don't see how my ancestors are any of your business, but we've lived in South Africa for about 400 years, which is longer than many black South Africans' ancestors have lived here. Why do you ask? Who were your ancestors then?
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Your forgetting that your ancestor aren't indigenous to that land. They are invaders. As far as your believe in your ancestors being their longer than other black south Africans. Its nothing more than propaganda and justification for past and present action. Whites have used justification in their written history and media to put in the minds of others that their action are justify and righteous.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov So as long as it disagrees with you, it's propaganda? Sorry, no, that's not how it works. We know these things from archaeology as well as the histories kept by tribes themselves. The real history of the world is a lot more interesting than "the whites are bad". Not that we haven't done bad things, you understand. But real history is more interesting than you seem to believe. As for not being indigenous, well... most Americans aren't indigenous to America, so...
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu If it not in the interest of black people hell yeah! Thats what's been going around this planet the past 600yrs to today. Non whites are suppose follow the consciousness and worldview of whites. Now who do you thing that will benefit and who that will hurt and control. As for as real history coming from whites black people have specific historical reason to be suspect. Through white academia you have to come to whites to get approval on history.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu As far as the indegious of the Americas concern the indegious of African haven't been put on the brink of extinction. Where still around but the Aids attack is a weapon used to dwindle our numbers.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I take from your comments your claiming to be a so-called jew. If that the case you have no problem with other coming to other peoples lands claiming ownership. As long as you can say that your god gave it to you so you can use any means to get it back.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov I'm not a Jew, buddy. I'm German / French / Irish / Xhosa, if you must know. I'm a Boer, not a Jew. Which is sad in a way because Jews are awesome, but hey.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I don't know any so-called Europeans calling themselves. The ones controlling much of this planet aren't taled about or attacked by rest of the other so-called Jews about their behavior. That being said your still decent of invaders. I don't care about the Xhosa part because you obviously side with a western white view of the world. That's your business!
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I don't follow Christiantiy belief of forgiveness and you be judge when you go to heaven. I believe and follow African traditional means and ways. When wrong somebody or do things wrongs. You are judge and make atonement. Where on this planet has western whites had to be judge or make atonement for their past and continue action. No where! They believe they get to keep land and resources gotten through theft murder and deception.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Okay, you're making less sense all the time, so let's wrap this up. You believe whites are evil, that's your problem. But it's a bit ironic for you to say these things in the comments on a video about Steve Biko, who was a martyr for non-racialism.
If you want to live in the past and promote hatred, there's not much I can do about that. Personally I prefer to build the future, but if you want to stay stuck in the past I can't do anything about that. Peace bro
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I really don't care about whites being evil as long as its not at the expensive and survival of black people. We both know that hasn't been the case. Whites have a program which the majority like to push their agenda ahead of other people. When you don't agree fight or what the white paradigm out of your life. Your attack! I to look to the future with a keen I on the past to make sure black people control their own consciousness reality determination and will.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I promote reality. That reality is that people need land and resources to survive on this planet. The problem is western white civilization through its program and action seems the planet and everyone in it is at its will at any cost. I'm about destroying western white paradigm out of African people's life's. We have our own historical worldview in which we will evolve for our present and future.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Listen, I agree that in Africa we need to stop looking to the West (US, UK, EU) to solve all our problems. African solutions for African problems, I agree with you 100%. But what does that have to do with white people? Or why does that mean we can't incorporate Western ideals if they work? I don't quite understand how you get from "Africa needs true independence" to "therefore, we need an ethnocentric and anti-progress worldview". Doesn't make sense to me bro...
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I have problem with white people and Arab people because its their world view we are prescribe to in Africa and the diaspora. Were not coming to solve our problems from our own historical worldview that we evolve for present day. Every African country is a imitation European western state not of their consciousness but that of invaders who want control of African minds land and resources.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu You speak of a ethnocentric and anti progress worldview. You mention a African worldview. Why is that? Every whites have gone the past 600yrs across the planet. They've brought Christian/Judaic God which looks like them. The indigenous end speaking Europeans languages with Europe names and etc.In the end western white laws rules and regulation is controlling us. While the land and resources are under white control. We get the bible and white got our land and minds.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Christianity is not European. It is a Near Eastern / African religion. The oldest continuously used churches in the world are in Ethiopia. It is true that some art in churches shows God being white, however I have seen many images of God as black, and I have no problem with that. God is not human anyway, so assigning a human "race" or tribe to God is nonsensical.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Christianity is a European religion is was formulate by councils head by roman emperors. When the council finally finished the dark ages started in Europe by physically and conditioning Europeans with Christianity. After the end the Dark ages the so-called Renaissance started in which the so-called New world was open to Europeans. 600yrs of Europeans forcing Christianity on other groups culture or races by force.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov You're just plain wrong about Christianity being a European religion. The Council of Nicea was attended by people from all over including African representatives. And as I said the oldest Christian church in the whole world is in Ethiopia. So please stop talking nonsense.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu thus true sir
hlo57n 1 week ago
@wolfieinu You say Christianity is a Near Eastern/African religion but it wasn't so-called near Eastern people nor African spreading it around the planet the past 600yrs. I'm well aware of the version of Christianity in Ethiopia. It being no different than any other spiritual tradition of African historical cultures. However like all other African spiritual tradition our gods or numerous deities looked like indigenous Africans.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Gods which were no Gods at all
hlo57n 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Our gods looked like us not European not Arab not Asian and natives of Americas. Humanity all over the planet used deities and gods that look like them to show ones divinity. Now fast forward the past 600yrs where western white civilization even today push Christian/Judaic images of god and his son looking like Europeans. That's psychological war of the mind for control.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Dude, I've seen so many pictures of God as black that I just don't know where you're coming from with this. As for pictures of Jesus, most often they show Him as a Jew because He was one while on Earth. But hey, I'm not a Jew, in fact I'm mostly German and it doesn't offend me that Jesus is Jewish in pictures. If you want to find something to be offended about then you can, but I think it's a bit silly to say that Christianity is European when in fact it's Mideastern/African.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@arronnov take the principles and forget about the image. principles are very important
hlo57n 1 week ago
@hlo57n Images are very important. If it wasn't important your wouldn't see the Christian God or Jesus depicted as white Mohammed depicted as Arab or Buddha depicted looking Indian.
arronnov 1 week ago
@hlo57n As far as principles who's principles are black people to follow! I'm sure not going to follow the principles of western white civilization or Arab Islam. Black people have been condition from our own historical principles in favor of foreign principles. I'm in favor of following the principles of thieves invaders murder and killers. Their universal principles from Islam and Christianity/Judaism hasn't been good when it comes to their relationship with black people.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Before you tell me about the Black Madonnas and child in Europe. Remember they weren't made and placed there by African people. Europeans made them those statues and paintings of the black Madonnas and child. The beg the question where they get the inspiration for this. It wasn't from the Near Eastern. It came from African Egyptian dieties of Isis and Horus.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Now you're just making sh*t up bro.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Now what did I make up!
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov That Europeans, inspired by the Egyptian god Horus, made pictures of a black Madonna to sell Christianity to Africans. That's just weird. Did you miss the part where the Ethiopian Church has been active longer than Europeans even knew about Christianity at all? How inactive and uncreative do you imagine black Africans to be, that you think everything they do today was "forced on them" by whites? Point is, no culture on Earth is pure, we all mix influences to some extent.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu The concept of the black Madonna and child being inspired by the Egyptian god Horus Isis and Osiris isn't weird. Its truth along with going past your realm of knowledge or believe. The Greeks/Romans came into Egypt. Both of them copied or pattern their own gods of Nile valley civilization Gods. IE Nubia Ethiopia and Egypt! All three practice and honor the gods Ptah Isis Osiris horus and etc.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Ethopia has pyramids and obelisk just like Nubia and Egypt. Matter of fact Ethopia has the oldest and biggest obelisk in the world. Its recently just got return from Italy. Guess where the obelisk was located in Italy. Its wasn't located in Palermo Cicily and etc. It was located right smack down in the Vatican. The home of Christianity and all its varies branches and forms.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov You're proving my point that cultures cross-fertilize, so thanks for winning my argument for me I guess.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
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@arronnov You're proving my point that cultures cross fertilize, so thanks for winning my argument for me I guess.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu As far as African decent people not being uncreative I could never come to a ignorant conclusion like that. African people being the first people have been the base of knowledge for humanity past and present in some form from science math music and etc. African decent people in America are the most influence people on the planet.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Our youth which I was a part of during that time created a music and culture called hip hop. That spread all over this planet. Its so copied and popular that it out sells traditional music of other people. I don't need to get into the black inventors that whites like to leave out in America history books.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Wait wait, so you want to cite African-Americans as an example of African culture?? Dude, they're Americans. Cultural Westerners. Sure lots of people imitate them, tho. What's tragic to me is how South Africans are imitating their accent and customs and so on, losing their own dialects and culture in the process. If you wanted an example of African culture, why the heck are you mentioning Americans?
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu You just made my points for me. Look at the condition that we are in today. No people who are taken away from their cultural base will survive long or survive in a functional manner. We are victims of vampires who's likes cravings and wants benefit the vampire. Also stop with defining who and what black people are on this planet. We will do that ourselves.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu So me a people or culture who doesn't have control of their own culture I show you controlled programmed culture. It nothing wrong with other influence only if the influence is coming from the perspective of the host culture with the intention of being used for that people in their best interest and for their survival.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov True enough tho, what you say about having control of your own culture. Those who have no control over (or worse, interest in) their own culture and history, are people who have lost control over their destiny and future. It's a sad situation to be in.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Its not by accidents that during slavery in the Americans and colonialism in Africa. That divide and conquer was used on black people. Christianity is brought in with a image of a white universal god for all mankind. The changing of names languages and etc. The educational system financial system social system and etc are all based from the worldview of white man.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Looks like we're actually agreeing on a lot of things, but from different directions. Especially how the "superpowers" are having lots of fun playing divide and conquer. And in Africa we're too complacent, badly informed and apathetic to do anything about it. I'm still not sure why you decide to equate black people with Africans tho, such that all blacks are Africans and whites can't be African. But whatever, you've got your reasons I guess.
wolfieinu 6 days ago
@wolfieinu Lets be real here. You have to have land and resources to survive on this planet. African is the diamond or perfect 10 when it comes to this on the planet. No other land on this earth is equal. Black people have had to pay for this because our ancestral lands is the richest. Where suppose to let European decent people control Africa or where ever we reside on this planet.
arronnov 6 days ago
@wolfieinu Where suppose to allow the rules laws and regulation which go counter to our historical ones benefit the west and now Asian at the expense of our interest and survival. I don't think so. I said this before the native Americans are all about extinct. Their will be a cause and affect for what have to them. African decent people have gone extinct. We need our land for our purpose interest and survival.
arronnov 6 days ago
@wolfieinu Europeans who calling themselves Jews with the backing of the west along with the bible a book of mythology laid came to what is called Israel. These European decent historical never had any connection to this land. This was imperialism and colonialism the past 600yrs. It just happen in 1947. African decent people on the continent and in the diaspora don't need to have a book of mythology to lay claim to our homeland.
arronnov 6 days ago
@arronnov Look man, I don't claim African land for any foreign power. I was born here, my ancestors were born here, etc. for 400 years. If I held dual citizenship, or worked for a foreign company such as Anglo-American to dig up African resources and give it to foreigners, then maybe there would be something to your claims. But I'm not a European colonist in Africa, except if you believe that a black American is an African colonist in America who should "go back to Africa" or some shit
wolfieinu 5 days ago
@wolfieinu Where your origins? Are you Indigenous to Africa. Being born in Africa doesn't answer those question. It boils down to worldview power and control. The whole planet where whites have gone in the past 600yrs have suffered and had their self determination force away and taken by a western white system. We are waking up slowly but surely. We have to have our land we have been inhabiting for over 50000yrs.
arronnov 5 days ago
@wolfieinu The vary land that help us shape us to became the Zulus Ashanti Egyptian Nubians Ethiopians TWA Hutu and etc. We didn't do that in Europe Asia or the America's.
arronnov 5 days ago
@arronnov Well, I'm not from America, Asia, or Europe either, pal. So what's your problem? Question, are you American? Because you were talking about Chicago and New York and such earlier.
wolfieinu 5 days ago
@wolfieinu I live in the stolen land called America.
arronnov 5 days ago
@arronnov So, you're American, right? An American who is black. Not an "African-American" who needs to "go back to Africa." In the same way, I'm an African who is white. Not a "European-African" who needs to "go back to Europe." Make sense?
wolfieinu 4 days ago
@wolfieinu See that's been the problem the past 600yrs to today. Western white civilization has been the author of defining everybody else. Your this your that or your savage primitive and etc. Who's in charge of black people's self determination self realization and self consciousness? The question is easy for me to answer in light of the history of the past 600ys to today all over this planet. Whites or European decent pushes their version of these things as universal for all people
arronnov 4 days ago
@wolfieinu With the mindset and worldview whites have no issue today or the past 600yrs believing the lands in the Americas Africa Asia and world islands belong to them because they are superior back with the blessing of the one and only god of mankind.
arronnov 4 days ago
@wolfieinu Never mind the fact that Africa is our indigenous homeland but the fact that is the richest natural resource land on the planet and fertile agricultural land which makes it the wealthiest on this planet. I most be remiss for wanting land for black people to call our own based on our historical consciousness worldview and reality. Not the view of whites. We all know the that view has help wipe out the Native Americas indigenous. Australians and world island indigenous
arronnov 4 days ago
@arronnov Yeah well great, but I'm not Australian or American. In South Africa we didn't commit mass genocide, we tried to find some way to coexist. Unfortunately the first attempts led to apartheid, which was a mistake and has been corrected. But there was no genocide here unlike in Oz and the US. As for the whole "mindset" and "worldview" thing, explain it to me then. Because all you're saying is that the "white worldview" must be replaced, but you never said what to replace it with.
wolfieinu 4 days ago
@wolfieinu How is somebody attempting to coexist when they are the ones invading. Nature universal justice that belief and mindset doesn't add up. A thief breaks in your home kills abuses robbed deceives your family. You finally get power enough to get rid of the thief so you can resume your existence through your worldview and consciousness. Your don't owe the thieve any anything in the means you choose to get rid of his asses out of your home.
arronnov 3 days ago
@arronnov As for your parable of the robber, think about it for a second. Does a robber come somewhere and build new things? Roads, cities, hospitals, running water, organized legal systems, systems of writing, etc. Modern African culture has benefited, just as ancient Western European culture benefited from Roman invasion. It's true that there has been exploitation by colonial powers but white Africans don't secretly work for Europe, we live here now. Don't like it that's your problem
wolfieinu 3 days ago
@wolfieinu I'm tried of here this bullshit of somehow black people Asian or native America benefit by having been invaded murder stolen from killed culture suppressed religion suppressed will suppressed consciousness suppressed and etc. As far as white working secretly. They don't push and live a western paradigm on stolen lands that they believe they have authority with fear of justice coming because of this behavior.
arronnov 3 days ago
@wolfieinu As far as worldview its quiet simple. Government education politics fiance names religions gods languages and etc all come from the view of whites. Western whites have portrayed black people not having any of these things. So in essences whites have to give them to black people Asians and native Americans for us to be enlighten live and be civilized on this planet. When blacks are taught history schools in the western world. From what perspective is that history?
arronnov 3 days ago
@wolfieinu Remember in western schools in Africa to America. Where taught that in Western history black people never did anything until whites came along to teach us. They took ancient Egypt out of Africa and made it a non African invention.
arronnov 3 days ago
@wolfieinu I ask you a question in the past 600yrs to today anywhere western white imperialism and colonialism has happen. Why haven't European decent people taken on the names of Africans Native Americans Asians and etc?Think about somebody humanity.Then think about the psychological conscious and subconscious power that goes along with controlling just somebody's name.Now think about a white worldview that I talk about when it comes one's reality education politics fiances and etc.
arronnov 3 days ago
@arronnov First of all Ancient Egypt was a long time ago and was not run by the Nubians (ancestors of Bantu ethnic groups), so I don't know why you're talking about that. If you look across Africa, before Western civilization it was very primitive technologically, sociologically, etc. There were some flashes of brilliance in East Africa, Great Zimbabwe, the Zulu Empire... but it was too late.
wolfieinu 3 days ago
@wolfieinu I love your pushing of this propaganda that Africa was in the dark until Europeans came and saved them.Western white academics has pushed the justification message constantly the past 600yrs in a attempt to hide their evil across this planet. As far as ancient Egypt not modern Egypt being anything other than a African civilization originate in the heart of southern central Africa. There's no need no more to argue the point.
arronnov 3 days ago
@arronnov Africa is not the first time a place was invaded by technologically superior people. For example, barbarian Europe was invaded by the civilized Romans, who got many of their advances from Greeks and Egyptians. Then there were the Mongol invasions, and the only reason why white people aren't extinct now is because the Mongol Empire had internal problems and had to fall back to go take care of those. Africa isn't unique in this regard.
wolfieinu 3 days ago
@wolfieinu Once again I'm a tell you that Indegious majority Africans don't have argue against needing to control our lands. You can speak about Europe justification to you are blue in the face. The simple fact any need land and resource to survive. The logic is the lands that they originate from to not cause any problems or injustice with another people.
arronnov 3 days ago
@wolfieinu Black people don't owe our land in Africa to any white person Asia or Arab.
arronnov 3 days ago
@arronnov Your English is getting more and more difficult to understand but you're repeating yourself. As for the fact that Africans/Asians don't have colonies overseas, it's not for lack of trying, they just weren't as successful. But there have been African colonies in Europe - the Moorish Kingdoms of Spain. Black Muslims who ruled Spain for several centuries and had white slaves. It happens both ways, except Western civilization has been more successful lately. That's all.
wolfieinu 3 days ago
@wolfieinu Are black Muslim in Europe running and controlling Europe today! The answer is No. Matter of fact whites got back control of their lands and resources. They kick out the invaders. Image that whites finally expelling foreign invading black Muslim according to their worldview self determination self realize and self consciousness. Whites wanted control of their indigenous lands image that!
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov No, the black Muslims are not running Spain today. Also, whites are not running South Africa. But that doesn't mean that Spain today has a policy to kill all Spanish black Muslims. So it makes no sense for you to promote a policy to kill all white Africans. South Africa is free already, genocide would be excessive. QED
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu You mean the whites don't control the resource like the gold mine diamonds mines uranium mines and etc! They don't also control or own the best land and food producing land. Keep in mind that the ownership of land laws rules and regulation came from a white western worldview not a indigenous African one.
arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu When the Moors where kicked out their rules laws regulation where thrown out and as well the land was taken back by the indigenous Spanish. Like I said before all people need control of their own land under their self determination not a foreign parasitic one. The Spanish weren't interested in universal togetherness. They didn't want foreign occupiers and their descendants controlling Spain anymore so they had to go.
arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu I said nothing about killing so-called white Africans. If the Spanish can have this kind of self determination after being occupied for over 800yrs than the indigenous people of African can have the same self determination. The problem is that there really isn't anything in Spain or Europe resources wise. However Africa is the world's bread basket when it comes to natural resources.
arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu Remember whites didn't come to Africa and South Africa being civil or peaceful. They came in warring killing and taking control of my ancestors land. The Spanish weren't thing about the feelings or being moral to Moors when they kicked them out. Its cause and affect reap what you sow and karma. The Moors at the end of Spanish occupation didn't invade Spain but they carried on their for fathers mission and program. The Spanish still wanted them out of their lands.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov As for the Moors and the Spaniards, there are actually a lot of influences in Spanish and Portuguese culture that come from the Moors. So yeah.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu Do they carry African or Arabic names Yes or No? Then ask the question why not?
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov They don't carry Arabic names because they won, duh.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@arronnov Whites in Africa weren't civil or peaceful, eh? Well, neither were the Zulus when they conquered 1/3rd of South Africa and destroyed or assimilated the other tribes there. So, should we kick the Zulus back to Ulundi and give the land back to the Khoi/San? Or do the Zulus get a pass because they're black?
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu First of all your version of history is based on western propaganda. We don't know who was in the land on a full time bases for the simple facts in ancient times tribes migrated on cycles for specific reason.Second whether isn't the Khoi San Zulus Ashanti twa Hutu or whatever.Their all indigenous to the land not Europeans of the past 600yrs but more specifically the whites of the past 180yrs. The Mirada of African tribes owe European decent nothing when it comes to the land in Africa.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov No, dude, the Bantu-speaking tribes are not indigenous to South Africa at all. They're part of the Ethiopian diaspora after the collapse of the Nubian Empire. They don't belong on the subcontinent any more than us whiteys do. They conquered the lands of the Khoi/San. So I ask again: should we deport the Zulus back to Ulundi (or perhaps Ethiopia, where they are from originally)? If not, why not? If your answer is "because they're black" then you're just a racist after all.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu No dude that's your western white view on African history. Its so amazing that white men not Asians or any other groups believe its their duty to teach and tell the mothers and fathers of humanity are history according to them for their interest. You do the name Bantu is of European construct. White men like naming things despite other cultures version or origins of another name.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov No, "bantu" means "people" in most of the Bantu languages. It's an ethnic/ cultural/language group originating from Ethiopia. Understand this: whatever you call them, they're from Ethiopia, not South Africa. If white South Africans have no claim to this land then neither do they, because the Khoi/San were already living here before they showed up and massacred them.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu I know what Bantu means however the indegious people in Africa didn't call ourselves that. Now with generation after generation all of a sudden Africans are calling themselves Bantu. Its like the European and Arabic names where carry and pass on without hesitation to our seeds. You see this every where imperialism and colonialism of western white civilization.
arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu However I understand your mentality. Its the one that white man has been trying to force on mankind by stealth education or force. The white man has absolute universal truth so he can do whatever and to whoever without consequence or repercussion.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov You are quite simply wrong about my mentality, as you call it.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinuYour mentality is no different than the Europeans decent people here in the Americas Australia New Zealand Pacific Islands and etc. This is our land no matter what.Fuck the indigenous they have no justified right before our own.However the Spanish can dispel the Moors out of their indigenous lands after 800yrs. That's righteous and good according to your mentality. Its justified to me just like indigenous Africans getting rid of their descendants of invaders.
arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu I'm not about this play along to get along nonsense or where all one apart of the globe world crap. Western governments lead by white men have push their will on people. Their doing it today in Libya Egypt probably Iran and etc. Nobody is suppose to have power except western white lead countries and their organization.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov You're talking nonsense, in South Africa the candidates are elected by the majority. And I vote for a black candidate last election. You somehow believe that a white person living in Africa is part of some kind of global conspiracy against Africa. That's just dumb.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu You dismiss Africans claim to their land and to kick-out invaders however the Spanish after over 800yrs of invasion kick-out their invader its all good. The Spanish people don't want to hear about what the Moors did they just wanted them out.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov But the Moors were an enemy empire, man. They weren't members of the Spanish kingdoms. White Africans are citizens of the countries that they live in. You're comparing apples to orangutans here. I'm glad that colonialism ended - in South Africa we were also victims of colonialism at one point, when the British killed half our child population in concentration camps. So yeah, kick out colonialists, I'm down with that. I however am not a colonialist, as I said before.
wolfieinu 1 day ago
@wolfieinu All the moors weren't apart of the empire however since they were decent of the invaders. They had to go also because the Spanish didn't want any remnants of their oppression of a living visual enemy. Let me make it plain like the Spanish did when it came to the Moors. All our lands and resource are nationalize and belong to Spanish indigenous people. If you stay you obey because your mixed because of the yrs of invasion. You will follow Spanish laws and rules.
arronnov 1 day ago
@wolfieinu That doesn't work in South Africa or the rest of Africa because every country which was divided territorially by white man are imitation Europe states. Not one of them are based on African historical values consciousness and self determination. The Spanish didn't honor in non of ways of their enemies. Theirs a verse in the bible that say not to honor in known of the ways of your enemies.
arronnov 1 day ago
@arronnov Hence apartheid, which attempted to create independent states for each tribe, allowing them to create their own systems, not influenced by Western values. Obviously apartheid didn't work tho, so there you have it. It's been tried and I don't want to see it happen again (except if you want apartheid back). Seriously tho, you still haven't explained why I who live in Africa need to go back to Europe, but you who live in America don't need to go back to Africa. Explain that.
wolfieinu 1 day ago
@wolfieinu First of all my ancestors didn't come over here under their free will. Second the whites who went all over the world under colonialism and imperialism used a mind state. That the indigenous people didn't have a right to inherited the lands they been living on generation after generation. Whites had the never to justify these action all over the planet as being ordain by their version of god.
arronnov 3 hours ago
@arronnov Well, lots of white South Africans came here because they owed money to the Dutch East India Company. So they either had to come to South Africa and work on a farm, or go to a Dutch prison. Others were refugees from religious wars and had nowhere else to go. Others came here recently like my one grandfather, an anti-Nazi German who had to flee Europe because Hitler wanted him dead. So I don't know where you get the idea that whites are here just to oppress them some Africans.
wolfieinu 2 hours ago
@arronnov I still think you're missing the point a bit. As I said before, all the inhabitants of South Africa are colonialists, except the Khoi/San, and they're almost extinct. Most South Africans including white ones do have some San ancestry though, if that makes any difference. So why should only the white colonialists leave but the black ones can stay? None of us really belong here.
wolfieinu 2 hours ago
@wolfieinu I get your point loud and clear. Your through your words and western white worldview belief that whites have claim to lands that they are not indegious too. Your history on all inhabitants of South Africa are colonialist is the poor attempt of whites legitimating their claim to lands in Africa at any cost. Its like Africans going to Germany or any other Europe land and laying claim with your words. The whites their would automatic start war to remove the invaders.
arronnov 51 minutes ago
@wolfieinu Am not ignorant without Africa the western world and Asian world economies crash in matter of weeks to a few months. A quote from the movie "Gone with the wind" "Land is the only thing worth having or fighting to maintain". Africans most have our own lands periods. You keep pushing your propaganda about nobody was in South Africa. Only stupid ignorant people fall for western rhetoric and justification of their action. A thieve is a thieve.
arronnov 46 minutes ago
@wolfieinu Nice try for trying to keep the pushing the rules laws regulation and worldview of how western whites see the world on me. I'm just suppose to bow down and allow this 600yrs of white domination over black people the world over mentally and physically. Where suppose to agree and maintain the status quo of the gains of whites the world over that's been passed to their descents based on evil. I don't think so! Its not payback just Justice.
arronnov 38 minutes ago
@wolfieinu Third the word apartheid and the action of it are a western white construct. It didn't come from the minds of Africa. Forth if you steal from other people and their the majority in their indigenous lands. When they want them back under their control and the invaders out. That's justice just like the Spanish kick out Africans after 800yrs of occupation in which I don't have a issue with it.
arronnov 3 hours ago
@wolfieinu Lets look at the rules laws regulation of commerce economic and finance that Africans are told to use as their means of maintaining themselves. We deal with a buyers market that Western whites of New-york Paris London and etc set the prices for African resources. Image that! Look at the past 70yrs where the west was hell bent from letting Africans every being able to control their destiny with the resources by having manufacturing on the continent.
arronnov 2 days ago
@arronnov As for the resources, I know all about that. Anglo-American basically owns our country. Do you think it makes me happy that the people who are exploiting our land are the same race as me? I couldn't care less if they had three eyes and came from Mars, I want them to GTFO. Those are our resources and should benefit the people of South Africa. Race has fuckall to do with it.
wolfieinu 2 days ago
@wolfieinu How many Spanish people today in Spain carry African or Islamic names? Why wouldn't they want to carry African or Islamic names? When a people or culture denotes their own names of their creation. It reflects their humanity and power on their own being that they control in the past present and future.
arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
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arronnov 2 days ago
@wolfieinu Show me and tell me where a larger amount of whites on this planet that have non European base names. Your not going to find any. They follow in the line of their ancestor. You do understand the power of one's own name. Non white indigenous people have meaning and purpose with names. Do you understand the importance of indigenous people have their own gods. Its shows their own divinity. Whites knows this! I should say the political and power hungry conscious do.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov You're talking about Africans having "European" names (which is not something that you see often in Africa, by the way, but whatever). But look at my ancestors, the Germanic barbarians of Western Europe. Many of us now have Roman / Latin names, or Slavic names. This is what happens when people are conquered by another civilization. You're reading a lot of stuff into it.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Our consciousness has been falsified by outsiders IE western whites and Arabs. Then wonder why hate ourselves. We hate our own historical foods names clothes hair color shapes of our nose features and etc. In our minds we been condition to believe that without whites we can't survive on this planet. We think we need or look for their approval. We forgot we rules our owns states Egypt Nubia Ethiopia Great Zimbabwe Zulu Ghana Mali Songhai Timbuktu and etc.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov If you hate yourself so much, then you have issues to sort out. Stop trying to feel better about yourself by hating people of other races. Take hold of your own destiny by defining what you ARE. Not by hating what you're NOT.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I don't hate anybody. I'm a victim of physical and mentally condition of today and the past 600yrs. As victim I must identify the cause of this condition so I can stop it from happening today and in the future. I look to past and history before and during the start of the condition to best figure what's best.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I don't know the amount of whites intention consciously or sub consciously. I know the majority of them push a non African worldview on us. Which in the end has us supporting white domination white survival and white interest before our own. This was seen 600yrs ago and when the Greeks first came to Egypt.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu What western ideals our you talking about? You mean allow the UN IMF World Bank CIA Mi6 American Military and Western corporation keep controlling Africa. All the things I mention where establish by whites with the strict purpose of maintaining the interest and survival of western white civilization. That is basically white supremacy.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Western civilization =/= white civilization. In history, Western civilization was Roman / Greek civilization. I'm not Roman, I'm not Greek, yet I'm a member of Western civilization. I don't spend my time going on about how the Romans were evil because I write in their alphabet and worship their God.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@arronnov As for the UN, IMF, etc. You're preaching to the converted my friend, those organizations have caused us a lot of trouble in South Africa. Also, my ancestors' relatives were murdered in concentration camps by the British who wanted our gold. Don't play the victim, shit happens to everyone.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu You can hear talk in the media from tv books and such.Western civilization is being threaten. What the hell do you think has happen to Africa and African people the past 2000yrs but mainly the past 600yrs to today. Africa and African people have been condition think power only belongs to western white civilization and white people. Hence in Christianity/Judaism the image of God which is power is of a white man in African minds physically and mentally.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu In the America's Africa and the world over where ever black people live. We have images of a White God and Jesus in our Churches. Who taught us and brought us this Christian/Judaic white God. For what reason? Every where this has gone for the majority the people lands resources thoughts and worldview are gone. This is not by accidents. This is a program of death and control for black people.
arronnov 1 week ago
@wolfieinu You want a Africa like China who is destroying its lands air and water with its development. We've been told to see ourselves as individuals independent from others especially here in America and the rest of western civilization. That's counter to the majority of African cultures of the past. The pyramids didn't get by one person.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov I don't want an Africa like China. I want an Africa like South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho, Swaziland. I want these countries to create a Federation or a Union. We are mostly stable and moderately prosperous, we are the free nations of Southern Africa. If Nigeria and Kenya fall to the invasion from the North, then we must form the resistance against nationalist Arabism and militant Islam. We are the hope of Africa. We cannot allow them to create another Darfur
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Western white civilization is coming to a end but not before it tries by any means to stay in power. Every civilization and empire comes to a end. Egypt Nubia and Ethiopia are among the oldest ruing empire being apart of the Nile valley civilization. They where over 10000yrs old. Western white civilization has it run the past 2000yrs but worldly the past 600yrs. America is less than 300 and is dying.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov You're right - Egypt and Nubia were great civilizations in their time, and civilization today owes a great debt to them. This proves that Africans (of all races) have nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not sure what your point is though, why you're mentioning this...
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I'm not down with this all races crap in Africa. The natives of America are all about wipeout. That goes for the peoples of the worlds island of the past 600yrs. The Asians thankful kept whites at bay as much as possible. Now Africa with all the resources and the best land on the planet. However African indigenous decent people are suppose to follow in the foot steps of the Native Americans and be wipe-out once and for all in the name foreign worldview. I think not!
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Wait wait wait, who said anything about wiping out all Africans (by which I assume you mean black people)? Where I live they are about 80% of the population and going strong. Africa is about 1/6 of the world's population, if I remember that right. As for HIV, Uganda is beating it already with education and altered lifestyles, no need for fancy expensive chemicals from multinational pharmaceutical companies...
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Am all about Africa for Africans! Black don't run Asian IE China Japan etc. We don't run and control Europe. We don't run and control the lands and colonies of America Australia and etc. Africa is our homeland we we should have domain and control over the land and resources like every other group and indigenous people of this planet.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov There you go again with race. That's what I don't understand. I agree that in Africa we need to become less dependent on the US / EU / UK / etc. But what does that have to do with race? It's not like those of us who live here (and are white) have dual citizenship, or are loyal to some foreign power, or are acting on behalf of a colonial nation, or whatever. Your arguments are great to use against (neo-)colonialism, but that has bugger-all to do with race...
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I have no problem with alliances however in a alliance when one partner does something against another. They should be punished. You have to have power to do that. That starts with knowledge of self. Black people having our self consciousness self determination and self realization. When in the past 600yrs to today has Africa and African people been able to punish western white civilization IE England France American and etc for their deeds.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov Punish individuals, not nationalities.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu That's not how the west works. It impose sanction and embargoes on whole countries not individuals.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov I know that the West goes around believing it can impose sanctions on whole nations, etc. I'm from South Africa, dude. The place that was placed under sanctions while we were trying to survive against Communist attacks... our own allies betrayed us. I know how they do things and I don't agree with such methods.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Lets talk about communication which is based of the use sciences and math. Well the sciences and the maths come out of Africa. The ancient Egyptian where the Zenith of the Nile valley civilization. A formulation of 10000yrs of yrs of Africans making their way up the Nile river settling in the Nile Delta.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov The sciences and math don't come from Africa alone, they come from the Mediterranean civilizations, which included Greece and Rome. The development of math and science was spread across the whole region, not limited to Africa. As I said, Africa helped to lay the foundations of Western civilization.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu I told you about the math papyrus which out date the so-called Mediterranean civilizations by 1000yrs. Those pyramids and the sphinx are older than 8000yrs.
arronnov 1 week ago
@arronnov OK, what is the math papyrus called and in which museum is it? Enlighten me. I have to say tho, I don't know what you mean by Egypt having math before the Mediterranean civilizations, because Egypt is one of the Mediterranean civilizations itself. Egyptian and Mideastern advances are part of current Western civilization.
wolfieinu 1 week ago
@wolfieinu Now back to the math I've seen the math papyrus in the German Museum British Museum New York Museum. and the Chicago Museum my home town. They show algebra geometry and trigonometry. This predating Greece Roman Sumeria Babylon and who ever else whites decide to name. Also some of this is carved in stone in Egypt Nubia and Ethiopia that's over 6000yrs old.
arronnov 1 week ago
You know what's strange, here Biko is calling for a nonracial society, and he died for this great ideal. Yet at the same time people in the comments on this vid are saying that all the whites need to be driven into the sea. How sad; not only was he killed, but now people are killing his ideals as well.
wolfieinu 1 month ago
@wolfieinu His Ideal is nice and humane. However Africa lands and resources belongs to its indegious. Lets be real for a moment if people don't have land and resources they can't survive. The problem is western whites the past 600yrs through imperialism and colonialism thinks the planet belongs to them