He read this in one of his shows, I don't remember which one go to HOTM.TV. But I saw it there first and he said to the girl who wrote it that he still loved her even if she said these things about him. And yes, accepting Jesus changes you but it does not make you perfect. Sorry, only Jesus is perfect, we will never be. And after seeing some of your posts to others, I see the love of Jesus is not always in you either, now is it?
He read this in one of his shows, I don't remember which one go to HOTM.TV. But I saw it there first and he said to the girl who wrote it that he still loved her even if she said these things about him. And yes, accepting Jesus changes you but it does not make you perfect. Sorry, only Jesus is perfect, we will never be.
Shawn Mccraney read this letter on his own show, so he is not trying to hide anything. He admits to being a sinner and a horrible person, the whole reason he turned to Jesus for his Savior. Mormons are so judgmental that you actually think that this has anything to do with his credibility. We are all sinners, you are a horrible Mormon and person as well, and until you accept that you have no need for a Savior, thus are not a Christian.
@Rangerwife275 This bornaginstmoromons individual is completely blind or in denial. My previous comment is nothing but factual and he thinks its nonsense. It is a real article. Mormons will never be Christian. Period
The entire mormon religion is a lie. I dont care what this fool thinks, Mormons arent considered Christian. Their leaders sleep with young women, you dont believe me ? Look up warren Jeffs. This guy had 50 wives and still abused the minor girls that lived in his house hold. As a law student I did an article on this filthy human being. Theres actual voice recordings of this man abusing young girls. He even got a minor pregnant.. Mormons completely wash and manipulate everything in your life.
@FallenSkorm warren Jeff is not a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latte Day saints but is the leader of a church that left us and went to do there thing and any one who do any of the things he did had been excommunicate from the church so by say warren Jeff is are leader is not true.
This presentation surely goes against the grain. Shawn McCraney has certainly turned out to be an outstanding defender of the Christian faith. Why, in your opinion, would he go from being "so horrible" as a Mormon to being a very knowledgable and thorough Beacon of Christianity today ?
Mormon intellectualism is sometimes half-humorously dismissed as an oxymoron. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Although the relationship can be rocky, Mormonism has always championed critical thinking. "We are not so much concerned with whether your thoughts are orthodox or heterodox as we are that you shall have thoughts," a member of the LDS Church's First Presidency stated in 1969.
Shan McCraney is the man! How is he a wolf in sheeps clothing? He disagrees with mormons and therefore mormons hate him for it. If Jesus Christ came to earth today, he himself we disagree with mormons, and I suppose that would make Jesus a wolf in sheeps clothing too? Of course not! How stupid. Joseph Smith jr, that my friends is an example of a wolf in sheeps clothing.
@BornAgainstMormons You wouldnt try to construct a plank??? It takes you a month to respond and thats the best answer you got? WOW !!! You're a lost cause brother. May GOD have mercy on your soul, because joseph smith is'nt going to be there to back you up on judgment day.
As a member of the LDS Faith and former missionary, I can respect someone who tries to convince me that their religion offers more than mine does, or has more truth than mine. I have never been convinced they were right, but at least they were trying to do it out of love. What I have a hard time with is "Christians" trying to convert me to their point of view by viciously attacking those beliefs I hold dear. The gospel of Jesus Christ is about love and compassion, not contention.
@tjs1031 Radical Muslims, when they start to have huge doubts about their own faith are taught to attack others in order to set those doubts and concerns aside.
@coreywulfe You need to meet more besides Pastor McCraney if you want to make that a fair statement. Secondly, please read the Book of Mormon before you speak erroneously about it.
The truth is A lot of people when they come out of Mormonism they face a lott of rejecton from they become atheist Shawn show helps those people shows them who Jesus.
@jayhawk88z When one rejects the truth, one is left alone to kick against the pricks. Pastor McCraney is trying to extract his pound of flesh instead of repenting and returning to the God of Israel.
What you really need to understand is that the things that made him a bad Mormon in the end contributed to him discovering a relationship with Jesus. I think he gets a bad rap, but he is genuinely trying to reach out to people in love. God Bless
I used to be a Mormon and served a mission. I understand how difficult it is to abandon LDS apologetics and look at the history and development of Mormonism with cold rationality. Especially when socially and culturally there is a lot to lose by leaving. Respect to Sean who tirelessly brings to light what some would rather stay hidden and does so as the best teachers, as a whole person, flaws and all, and not as a fascade.
@BornAgainstMormons Thanks for replying. Actually my experiences weren't aimed at you. Because I can see you will be the last person to discover mormonism isn't true. This is because you have been exposed to much of the critical evidence against mormonism and yet continue to maintain your position. And having created this online persona for yourself, it would take too much humility to admit you were wrong.
@CommanderFey I don't like to make things up. While your definitive statements about me might be needful to you, I find them more as hopeful on your part.
@BornAgainstMormons All have fallen short of the glory of God. His real message is that we are all dark hearted horrible people. So his strategy in delivering this message is by first admitting that he is a horrible person.
Thus the segue into the greater message of the grace of God. You see, we are nothing without Christ's grace.
If you don't believe in the Holy Bible then I can understand why you say that. But for those of us who believe in and study the Bible, we better understand the condition of the hearts of men.
Here are a few simple verses describing the heart of mankind and it's relation to sin.
@BornAgainstMormons That is a disgusting attack on a man of God. How dare you? I mean really. You are just like those original Mormons who defiled the name of Emma Smith who was a Godly woman who loved and forgave her husband and took in his illegitimate child. Your ilk called her names too, for being a TRUE Christian. You are of the Pharisees who would attack Christ for healing on the Sabbath. Rules made by man about God's grace are your religion. A true cult.
@BornAgainstMormons WOW! So you're just going to sit there and lie over and over again,right? Well brother you go ahead and stay in denial. I hope the lord will break the hold satan has on you and remove that veil from your eyes.GOD bless you brother but im just going to stop waisting my time with fools who refuse the truth and the word. One you'll answer directly to GOD and you wont be able to approve his comments and lie to him.
“by our works also to be found good citizens and keepers of the commandments, so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation.” (Ante-Nicene Fathers 1:185, chap. 65, First Apology of Justin)
Irenaeus said:
“But He taught that they should obey the commandments which God enjoined from the beginning, and do away with their former covetousness by good works, and follow after Christ.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, book 4, chap. 12, Ante-Nicene Fathers 1:476)
@TheSkepticChristian Also, I do not hold to anything other than the bible. I am skeptical of any commentary on the bible, be it from key figures in Christian history, or modern pastors. I hold to the bible itself, and the use of exegetical interpretation.
@TheSkepticChristian Anti-Mormon nonsense? Not a good way to start a conversation. It sounds arrogant and concescending. But yes, I was formerly LDS. I was baptised to Christ about four years ago. I was so proud of being LDS. I served a mission, was sealed in the temple, was a seminary teacher, EQP, YM Leader, etc. But then God showed me that my faith wasn't in Him, but an institution. It's a longer story than that, but that's the condensed version.
@waynefeller "It sounds arrogant" I have talk to about 60 ex-mormons (both evangelical and atheists) and I win most of the time when I debate with them.
but the real arrogant is Shawn.
Well good for you, but you need to go back to the church.
You also need to learn about science and visit fairlds org
I can refute Sandra Tanners arguments and Shawns arguments.
@TheSkepticChristian Why do you assume I don't know about science, nor about FAIR? I know both. I appreciate your concern, but I follow God now, nothing else. As for Sandra Tanner, I have no respect for her. I think she is a bully.
@TheSkepticChristian There are plenty of former RM's who are Christians now. I can send you some links, if you like. As for the difference... I have tried three times to explain it here, but 500 characters just isn't enough. It's such a difference: grace where there was only justice, truth where there was deception, love where there was judgement, etc. I just don't have room to explain how overwhelmingly real the God of the bible has become to me.
@waynefeller that is so weird, I am only used to talking to RM's that are now atheists. But why would you guys become evangelicals. Just try to explain, in simple words, was it because of a miracle cure?
Please don't tell me because the Bible says so, the Bible is very open to interpretation, ask scholars and theologians. Its the same, spirit, so according to you, what difference in the holy ghost did you feel? Why is it different in the evangelical church? according to yo?
@TheSkepticChristian First, for a book to be considered in the biblical canon, it has to agree with previously accepted books within the canon. For instance, we all agree that Gen, Ex, Lev, Num, Deut, etc are canon. If any book contradicts them, they can't be canon. Both OT and NT say that no one can see God the Father and live, so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation. Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
@KPattonArt123 one can see God the Father and live, so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation.
Stephen looked into Heaven and saw Christ at the right hand of god.Moses saw and spoke face to face with God as one man spaeketh to another.Jacob spoke with the lord.Wrestled with him.Stood in his presence.
The same words are said in Deuteronomy 1 Chronicles and many OT books. Revelations was Not the Last book written.It was simply the last to be Included in what we today call the Bible
@KPattonArt123 so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation.
So tell me why that now disqualifies Josephs Vision.
He was chosen of god to do a work.
The scripture you refer to would obviously refer to those not chosen to do A Work.
God chose and appeared to Men He chose evn before they were born.To become Prophets.Just like Jeremiah was chosen b4 he was born as the Bible declares.Same today.God has Prophets.Is not god the same today yesterday and forever?Prophets DIDNT end at Christ
Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
Where does it say that in Revelations?Christ said He would send Prophets.Many would be killed. If He was to send More prophets then that means more were to follow.Pretty plain and simple statement to Understand?
John Also prophesied an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the inhabitants of the earth BEFORE the great and terrible Day of the Lord.If that angel was to BRING the everlasting gospel in the last days then that tells the Intelligent person that all the prophesies of an Apostacy given by Christ nd His Apostles MUST have Happened.Thus the need for that angel to BRING/RESTORE the Everlasting Gospel BACK to the earth.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fulfills Bible prophesy as does the BoM.Both canons testify of each other.Christ Himself testifies Himself of the inhabitants of the Americas.Indeed the whole world.We Know He will yet reveal many more great and important things pertaining to His Kingdom before His return to prepare us ALL for that Day.
Sayin thers No other scripture othr than the Bible goes Against what the Bible testifies.
Only those unafraid of Truth will Find Truth.Simple
Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
In a sense that is true.No more "Biblical" revelation. But like I said.Christ His Apostles/Prophets ALL testify that He would continue to "Reveal" His will in the Future.Specifically in the last days
For you to believe God would not cont revelation is to Deny God, His Love for US and most of all.Deny His power to do so.Simple
Again!Read what John said about that angel flying in the midst of heaven.
@KPattonArt123 has to agree with previously accepted books within the canon.
The Niciean Council decided what books to include in the Bible.No one in that council claimed divine guidance to which books should be Included.Which books Were Excluded?The bible speaks of Many books NOT found therein.Where are they?What important books/TRUTHS have been left OUT?
Christ said."Man Shall NOT Live by bread Alone But By EVERY Word that Proceedeth Out of the Mouth of God.Not JUST by what men Decide.
I think all Jesus' friends earthly friends would've made bad Mormons too. Mormonism's a manmade org. of manmade rituals & other man-centered baloney that's not of the 1 true God (who is SPIRIT, totally holy ALWAYS from the start of time to forever & not a man who's just more evolved than the rest of us sin-hearted dorks). So, any1 who does well in that org. is probably not of him either. & a sad sorry deluded patsy who thinks he can evolve into a God although the 1 God existed before time did.
@kingdigitall Apparently you do, but you aren't smart enough to know that Mormon Christians don't tolerate profanity. If you want to use profanity go on Pastor McCraney's show.
@BornAgainstMormons@BornAgainstMormons@BornAgainstMormons This is a very damning statement (not used as a profanity, but as found in the KJV). What about Paul saying we should be all things to all people? What about when Christ met with the Publicans? Do you think they were acting like Peter Priesthood? What about when Paul tell those who practice circumcision to cut of their own penises? What about when God compares those who go after idols to women who seek to sleep with donkeys because
@BornAgainstMormons ...they are well hung? What about when Isaiah talks about eating dung, and uses the Hebrew word not for "dung" but for "sh!t"? It's all in there. II Kings 18:27; Isaiah 36:12; Ezekial 4:12; Ezekial 23:20-21 (the whole chapter is pretty obscene); Isaiah 64:6 ("rags" refer to sanitary towels); Galatians 5:12. When we look at Christ's call not to use profanity, the greek refers to blasphemy against God, and not merely offensive words.
@waynefeller We are not saying that Mr. Shawn's accusations are wrong because of his hypocrisy, but I can refute most (if not all) of his accusations. "Mormons, however see God and believe that they can somehow earn their way to heaven" I believe that God as always existed as a God. ".We do not do good deeds to return to God" Do You have any 2nd or 3rd century historical evidence for the claim? Now explain AB esistance or Plant speciation without using The Theory of Evolution
@waynefeller According to you, why is the Bible the Word of God? Can you prove what the Bible really says? Would all Theologians and scholars agree with you?
@waynefeller you are not the one that said, "Yeah, Shawn McCraney is a pretty bad guy. I wish he could be more like the Apostle Paul, a murder. Or maybe he could be more like King David. " But you said similar things anyways.
@TheSkepticChristian - I should begin by saying that I am NOT a fan of Shawn McCraney. I think he is abrasive, arrogant, and enjoys arguing more than sharing God's message. However, I find that attacking a man's character is a poor way to go about proving one's point. Anti-Mormons are equally guilty of this, if not more so. Rather than goading the messenger, we should be discussing the message.
@waynefeller " I find that attacking a man's character " That's what I said, I don't need to attack his hypocrisy, in order to proof him wrong. "we should be discussing the message." That's right, both the Bible and the Book of Mormon contain God's message.
@waynefeller "but it is not God's word" circular reasoning. Again to my question, according to you, why is the Bible the Word of God, and not the Book of Mormon?
Also, Explain AB resistance or Plant speciation without using the theory of Evolution
@TheSkepticChristian The book of Mormon isn't Gods word simply because you say it is. Hebrews 1 tells us that "in times past God spoke to us through the prophets, but in these latter days He speaks to us through His son." We no longer need Old Testament type prophets, because we have the Holy Spirit who speaks to every believing Christian. Also, Revelation 22 says that anyone who adds or subtracts from scripture goes to hell. Revelation is the final book of scripture. Yet J. Smith added more.
@TheSkepticChristian As far as the Apostle Paul persecuting Christians and sending them to death, 1 Cor 15:9-10, Acts 8:1-5. Acts 9:1-2, Gal 1:13. Also, Paul was unmarried and didn't want to get married, and thus wasn't partaking in celestial marriage. So the Apostle Paul didn't live Mormon doctrine. Paul also said that it was best to remain unmarried in 1 Cor 7:.25-40. Why would the Apostle Paul instruct people not to marry, if the LDS church says you must marry to achieve exaltation?
@TheSkepticChristian King David found Bathsheeba attractive, and found out she was married to Uriah. He called her to his palace and had sex with her (even though she was married to another man, and he was married to another woman), she became pregnant, and then killed Uriah in order to steal her. The story starts in 2 Samuel 11.
So by a Mormon's standard, King David couldn't enter the temple. He'd be a "bad Mormon." Yet God said he's the greatest King ever, a "man after my own heart."
@TheSkepticChristian You believe that God was always God? Then why did Joseph Smith say "as man is, God once was. As God is, man may become"? Why do they teach good Mormons will be exalted and become Gods of their own planets, which they can populate with their wives who are sealed to them for eternity? And why does the LDS church teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 separate Gods, even though the Bible says over and over again that there is only one God of all of creation?
@BornAgainstMormons 1 for 12 he wasnt a polygamist? He wasnt tried and convicted in n.y.?he didnt have 14 yr old wife? Cmon be honest with yourself. And stop filtering out the comments. What do you have to hide?
oh another thing. you said "I think you will find I spread the truth about a man that commits adultery, does drugs, and abuses others" you should spread the truth about who joseph smith was a con artist a polygomist an adulterer a pedafil and a con artists a master mason as if we dont know what they're about. be honestly honest. and why do you feel the need to approve the comments that are being posted..another mormon habit. filtering out the truth!
@bornagainstmormons im sorry brother , but i am speaking the truth. unfortunately the information highway has become the greatest enemy of all false doctrines and teachings. im not anti mormon i am anti anything that is against the word of GOD, which mormons claim is inacurate and tainted by the writers of the WORD! its just funny that mormons say this about the bible but yet you have them in your churches. whats the point? just do away with them and change the name to church of joseph smith.
I wish there'd been a show like Shaw's around in the 70's in Utah Valley. I know of at least one soul that might've been spared from the act of suicide due to the extreme social pressures of this sect.
@BornAgainstMormons I've struggled with this inherited condition for since my early teens. So, I am intimately acquainted with this illness, and what conditions can worsen an already chronic condition into a lethal one. The additional stresses placed by the Mormon culture on a person predisposed to depression, young men in particular, can be lethal. I firmly believe if I hadn't left the LDS church, I would be dead. As is my brother, and that poor Swartz kid who couldn't say "No Bishop".
I so hope my comments get approved!!!!!!!!! yea.
slappylippy 2 weeks ago
@slappylippy So do I.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
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BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
@BornAgainstMormons I was 14122. Good vid!
M424Filmcast 2 weeks ago
Seem like a lot of scare tactics being used by BAM
ScoutWanderer 2 weeks ago
@ScoutWanderer Boo?
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
Horrible Mormon YES! Kick ass Christian?......Fo Sho!
slappylippy 1 month ago
@slappylippy Mormon Christianity says lying and adultery are bad. Your distorted version of Christianity is OK with those sins?
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
Cults don't like to be challeged bornagainstmormons is scared to be challenged you don't let any one post any thing that dosent agree with you 100%
jayhawk88z 1 month ago
@jayhawk88z Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
He read this in one of his shows, I don't remember which one go to HOTM.TV. But I saw it there first and he said to the girl who wrote it that he still loved her even if she said these things about him. And yes, accepting Jesus changes you but it does not make you perfect. Sorry, only Jesus is perfect, we will never be. And after seeing some of your posts to others, I see the love of Jesus is not always in you either, now is it?
Rangerwife275 1 month ago
@Rangerwife275 the problem is that Pastor McCraney's idea of love involves sexual impurity.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
He read this in one of his shows, I don't remember which one go to HOTM.TV. But I saw it there first and he said to the girl who wrote it that he still loved her even if she said these things about him. And yes, accepting Jesus changes you but it does not make you perfect. Sorry, only Jesus is perfect, we will never be.
Rangerwife275 1 month ago
@Rangerwife275 I think you are trying to justify the devil by saying only Jesus is perfect. I find that devilish.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
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Shawn Mccraney read this letter on his own show, so he is not trying to hide anything. He admits to being a sinner and a horrible person, the whole reason he turned to Jesus for his Savior. Mormons are so judgmental that you actually think that this has anything to do with his credibility. We are all sinners, you are a horrible Mormon and person as well, and until you accept that you have no need for a Savior, thus are not a Christian.
Rangerwife275 1 month ago
@Rangerwife275 When? So the jesus Pastor McCraney worships didn't change him?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@Rangerwife275 Worst part is you actually believed him.
myway43 1 month ago
@Rangerwife275 This bornaginstmoromons individual is completely blind or in denial. My previous comment is nothing but factual and he thinks its nonsense. It is a real article. Mormons will never be Christian. Period
FallenSkorm 1 month ago
@FallenSkorm Still nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
The entire mormon religion is a lie. I dont care what this fool thinks, Mormons arent considered Christian. Their leaders sleep with young women, you dont believe me ? Look up warren Jeffs. This guy had 50 wives and still abused the minor girls that lived in his house hold. As a law student I did an article on this filthy human being. Theres actual voice recordings of this man abusing young girls. He even got a minor pregnant.. Mormons completely wash and manipulate everything in your life.
FallenSkorm 2 months ago
@FallenSkorm Everything in this comment is nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
@FallenSkorm warren Jeff is not a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latte Day saints but is the leader of a church that left us and went to do there thing and any one who do any of the things he did had been excommunicate from the church so by say warren Jeff is are leader is not true.
BryceisBibleMan 1 month ago
@BryceisBibleMan It said mormon, youre mormon.. which makes him one of yours.
FallenSkorm 1 month ago
@FallenSkorm Your facts are faulty as is your faith.
BornAgainstMormons 2 weeks ago
That is ONE opinion. He seems pretty intelligent to me.. If that's all you've got, you've just wasted 55 seconds of my time..
Shutterbug1000 2 months ago
@Shutterbug1000 A real religious genius.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
How can you argue with one letter?
MrStevekehl 2 months ago
@MrStevekehl Read all the comments.
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This presentation surely goes against the grain. Shawn McCraney has certainly turned out to be an outstanding defender of the Christian faith. Why, in your opinion, would he go from being "so horrible" as a Mormon to being a very knowledgable and thorough Beacon of Christianity today ?
team4lls 2 months ago
@team4lls Many Trinitarians say that Pastor McCraney is not Christian.
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
Mormon intellectualism is sometimes half-humorously dismissed as an oxymoron. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Although the relationship can be rocky, Mormonism has always championed critical thinking. "We are not so much concerned with whether your thoughts are orthodox or heterodox as we are that you shall have thoughts," a member of the LDS Church's First Presidency stated in 1969.
omiolo 2 months ago
yeah he was a horrible mormon,but a great christian,go figure....
lilbeaveymac 2 months ago
@lilbeaveymac Maybe along the lines of Emperor Constantine.
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
Shan McCraney is the man! How is he a wolf in sheeps clothing? He disagrees with mormons and therefore mormons hate him for it. If Jesus Christ came to earth today, he himself we disagree with mormons, and I suppose that would make Jesus a wolf in sheeps clothing too? Of course not! How stupid. Joseph Smith jr, that my friends is an example of a wolf in sheeps clothing.
PhillyPhee 2 months ago
@PhillyPhee Mormon Christians think drug abuse, spousal abuse, and adultery are not Christian things and are not good.
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons haha thats right buy Joseph Smith seemed to think they were fine
PhillyPhee 2 months ago
@PhillyPhee Nonsense.
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
It is sad how many people are being misled by Shawn McCraney. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
TheOriginalAnalogKid 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons You wouldnt try to construct a plank??? It takes you a month to respond and thats the best answer you got? WOW !!! You're a lost cause brother. May GOD have mercy on your soul, because joseph smith is'nt going to be there to back you up on judgment day.
dvsone213 3 months ago
@dvsone213 Correct.
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Funny thing is that Shawn does not deny any of that. And that is why grace is amazing!
musicbylucas82 3 months ago
@musicbylucas82 Because you just made something up, grace is amazing? You should get into politics.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons No my friend, grace is amazing because it saves sinners. That's it.
musicbylucas82 3 months ago
@musicbylucas82 You seem like the grace alone crowd.
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
Peace only comes to those who seeks it.
lonskieg 4 months ago
@lonskieg and are prepared to receive it.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
As a member of the LDS Faith and former missionary, I can respect someone who tries to convince me that their religion offers more than mine does, or has more truth than mine. I have never been convinced they were right, but at least they were trying to do it out of love. What I have a hard time with is "Christians" trying to convert me to their point of view by viciously attacking those beliefs I hold dear. The gospel of Jesus Christ is about love and compassion, not contention.
tjs1031 4 months ago
@tjs1031 What do you think Jesus meant in Matthew 10:34? I love to agree my friend, but not at the price of compromising truth.
musicbylucas82 3 months ago
@musicbylucas82 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Do you have any context on that said by the Prince of Peace?
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons The only context there is is the one that was said by the Prince of Peace. Read Matthew 10 and you will see the context.
musicbylucas82 3 months ago
@musicbylucas82 Was that a no?
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
@tjs1031 Radical Muslims, when they start to have huge doubts about their own faith are taught to attack others in order to set those doubts and concerns aside.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
Have you seen how fat he is now? Wow ! I guess he has the same lack of self control as when he was LDS.
jguinther333 4 months ago
@jguinther333 Marijuana use, especially excess causes an increase appetite.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
Oh yeah!!! Another case of Mormon propaganda!!!
tattoodfreeek 4 months ago
@tattoodfreeek Another case of misrepresentation on your part.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons Well, of course, that's right, how could I ever have said anything against the MORmON church!!!!!!!
Oh, because there is absolutely no evidence that supports it, there is more evidence to prove that it is a complete work of uninspired fiction!!!
tattoodfreeek 3 months ago
@tattoodfreeek Name calling?
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons Do you ever make any sense??? Name calling? Who is name calling?
tattoodfreeek 2 months ago
@tattoodfreeek Yeah, who?
BornAgainstMormons 1 month ago
Heh...when Mormons attack.
Sort of a non-event.
hammerogod 4 months ago
@hammerogod
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
@hammerogod As far as I can tell.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
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@coreywulfe You need to meet more besides Pastor McCraney if you want to make that a fair statement. Secondly, please read the Book of Mormon before you speak erroneously about it.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
The truth is A lot of people when they come out of Mormonism they face a lott of rejecton from they become atheist Shawn show helps those people shows them who Jesus.
jayhawk88z 4 months ago
@jayhawk88z When one rejects the truth, one is left alone to kick against the pricks. Pastor McCraney is trying to extract his pound of flesh instead of repenting and returning to the God of Israel.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons You mean the God Joe Smith don't you?
freestanding1000 3 months ago
@freestanding1000 Was that a joke? Or are you simply lashing out?
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
What you really need to understand is that the things that made him a bad Mormon in the end contributed to him discovering a relationship with Jesus. I think he gets a bad rap, but he is genuinely trying to reach out to people in love. God Bless
pedroelcarvron 5 months ago
@pedroelcarvron Pastor McCraney fights against Jesus Christ and His followers.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
I used to be a Mormon and served a mission. I understand how difficult it is to abandon LDS apologetics and look at the history and development of Mormonism with cold rationality. Especially when socially and culturally there is a lot to lose by leaving. Respect to Sean who tirelessly brings to light what some would rather stay hidden and does so as the best teachers, as a whole person, flaws and all, and not as a fascade.
CommanderFey 5 months ago
@CommanderFey I don't think anything you wrote is true.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons Thanks for replying. Actually my experiences weren't aimed at you. Because I can see you will be the last person to discover mormonism isn't true. This is because you have been exposed to much of the critical evidence against mormonism and yet continue to maintain your position. And having created this online persona for yourself, it would take too much humility to admit you were wrong.
CommanderFey 4 months ago
@CommanderFey I don't like to make things up. While your definitive statements about me might be needful to you, I find them more as hopeful on your part.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons I am right though ^^
CommanderFey 2 months ago
@CommanderFey No.
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
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BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
I don't think Shawn McCraney ever denied being a horrible person.
He says he is a horrible person in this video: qLNJJfY1CP4
ZimZam205 5 months ago
@ZimZam205 One day Pastor McCraney should work on not being a horrible person.
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons you should take the plank out of your eye before pointing out the speck in his.
dvsone213 5 months ago
@dvsone213 You've found a plank in my eye? I would never consider adultery a speck.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons right neither would you consider false doctrine a plank.
dvsone213 4 months ago
@dvsone213 I wouldn't try and construct a plank.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons All have fallen short of the glory of God. His real message is that we are all dark hearted horrible people. So his strategy in delivering this message is by first admitting that he is a horrible person.
Thus the segue into the greater message of the grace of God. You see, we are nothing without Christ's grace.
ZimZam205 5 months ago
@ZimZam205 Just because you and Pastor McCraney are dark hearted doesn't mean the rest of us are.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons Absolutely yes it does.
If you don't believe in the Holy Bible then I can understand why you say that. But for those of us who believe in and study the Bible, we better understand the condition of the hearts of men.
Here are a few simple verses describing the heart of mankind and it's relation to sin.
Jeremiah 17:9
Romans 3:23
Mark 7:20-23
ZimZam205 4 months ago
@ZimZam205 So if I don't believe in your limited interpretation of the Bible, I don't believe in the Bible? I refuse to be limited by you.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons For those of us who Believe in the Bible it does. If you don't believe in the Bible then why would you attack Shawn McCraney?
ZimZam205 4 months ago
@ZimZam205 I think adultery and drug abuse are horrible.
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons So you think you're better than him?
ZimZam205 3 months ago
@ZimZam205 In what sense?
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
@ZimZam205 Yes, Pastor McCraney is a dark hearted horrible person. But instead you prefer to attack instead of building up?
BornAgainstMormons 3 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons That is a disgusting attack on a man of God. How dare you? I mean really. You are just like those original Mormons who defiled the name of Emma Smith who was a Godly woman who loved and forgave her husband and took in his illegitimate child. Your ilk called her names too, for being a TRUE Christian. You are of the Pharisees who would attack Christ for healing on the Sabbath. Rules made by man about God's grace are your religion. A true cult.
EffieReal 3 months ago
@EffieReal His illegitimate child? Pure rumor. Do you like to spread rumors?
BornAgainstMormons 2 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons WOW! So you're just going to sit there and lie over and over again,right? Well brother you go ahead and stay in denial. I hope the lord will break the hold satan has on you and remove that veil from your eyes.GOD bless you brother but im just going to stop waisting my time with fools who refuse the truth and the word. One you'll answer directly to GOD and you wont be able to approve his comments and lie to him.
dvsone213 6 months ago
@dvsone213 No, No, and No.
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
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BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
Justin Martyr (110-165 A.D.) said:
“by our works also to be found good citizens and keepers of the commandments, so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation.” (Ante-Nicene Fathers 1:185, chap. 65, First Apology of Justin)
Irenaeus said:
“But He taught that they should obey the commandments which God enjoined from the beginning, and do away with their former covetousness by good works, and follow after Christ.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, book 4, chap. 12, Ante-Nicene Fathers 1:476)
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Also, I do not hold to anything other than the bible. I am skeptical of any commentary on the bible, be it from key figures in Christian history, or modern pastors. I hold to the bible itself, and the use of exegetical interpretation.
waynefeller 6 months ago
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waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller Which Bible?
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons Which do you think I am referring to?
waynefeller 5 months ago
@waynefeller What are you guys talking about?? I also want to join the conversation, I will take some time to refute some anti-mormon nonsense.
I saw that you were also making comments on the Shawn videos, and you said that you used to be a Mormon.
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Anti-Mormon nonsense? Not a good way to start a conversation. It sounds arrogant and concescending. But yes, I was formerly LDS. I was baptised to Christ about four years ago. I was so proud of being LDS. I served a mission, was sealed in the temple, was a seminary teacher, EQP, YM Leader, etc. But then God showed me that my faith wasn't in Him, but an institution. It's a longer story than that, but that's the condensed version.
waynefeller 5 months ago
@waynefeller "It sounds arrogant" I have talk to about 60 ex-mormons (both evangelical and atheists) and I win most of the time when I debate with them.
but the real arrogant is Shawn.
Well good for you, but you need to go back to the church.
You also need to learn about science and visit fairlds org
I can refute Sandra Tanners arguments and Shawns arguments.
here watch this video
watch?v=ueoub8C0POU&feature=channel_video_title
I an concern for you, I am trying to reach you.
TheSkepticChristian 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Why do you assume I don't know about science, nor about FAIR? I know both. I appreciate your concern, but I follow God now, nothing else. As for Sandra Tanner, I have no respect for her. I think she is a bully.
waynefeller 4 months ago
@waynefeller Most ex-mormons that I talk to don't understand FAIR.
and you can respect Sandra Tanner, however, I can refute her arguments, what she says is just plain silly.
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Yeah, this is getting nowhere.
waynefeller 4 months ago
@waynefeller Its just weird that you became evangelical. I know RM"S that became atheists, but the only RM I know that became evangelical is Shawn.
Its just so weird, why would you become evangelical anyways.
What is the difference from the spirit you felt??
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian There are plenty of former RM's who are Christians now. I can send you some links, if you like. As for the difference... I have tried three times to explain it here, but 500 characters just isn't enough. It's such a difference: grace where there was only justice, truth where there was deception, love where there was judgement, etc. I just don't have room to explain how overwhelmingly real the God of the bible has become to me.
waynefeller 4 months ago
@waynefeller that is so weird, I am only used to talking to RM's that are now atheists. But why would you guys become evangelicals. Just try to explain, in simple words, was it because of a miracle cure?
Please don't tell me because the Bible says so, the Bible is very open to interpretation, ask scholars and theologians. Its the same, spirit, so according to you, what difference in the holy ghost did you feel? Why is it different in the evangelical church? according to yo?
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Why do you keep resorting to condescension?
waynefeller 4 months ago
@waynefeller I have a simple question to you,
According to you, why is the Bible the word of God, but not the book of Mormon??
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Simple answer: The Bible is God's word. The Book of Mormon isn't.
waynefeller 4 months ago
@waynefeller Why??
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Sounds like it is true because waynefeller declared it so. Who needs God when you have waynefeller?
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian First, for a book to be considered in the biblical canon, it has to agree with previously accepted books within the canon. For instance, we all agree that Gen, Ex, Lev, Num, Deut, etc are canon. If any book contradicts them, they can't be canon. Both OT and NT say that no one can see God the Father and live, so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation. Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
KPattonArt123 4 months ago
@KPattonArt123 The New Testament does not say that. I don't think you even know what the Bible really is.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@KPattonArt123 one can see God the Father and live, so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation.
Stephen looked into Heaven and saw Christ at the right hand of god.Moses saw and spoke face to face with God as one man spaeketh to another.Jacob spoke with the lord.Wrestled with him.Stood in his presence.
The same words are said in Deuteronomy 1 Chronicles and many OT books. Revelations was Not the Last book written.It was simply the last to be Included in what we today call the Bible
jferristube 2 months ago
@KPattonArt123 so that disqualifies Joseph Smith's supposed revelation.
So tell me why that now disqualifies Josephs Vision.
He was chosen of god to do a work.
The scripture you refer to would obviously refer to those not chosen to do A Work.
God chose and appeared to Men He chose evn before they were born.To become Prophets.Just like Jeremiah was chosen b4 he was born as the Bible declares.Same today.God has Prophets.Is not god the same today yesterday and forever?Prophets DIDNT end at Christ
jferristube 2 months ago
Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
Where does it say that in Revelations?Christ said He would send Prophets.Many would be killed. If He was to send More prophets then that means more were to follow.Pretty plain and simple statement to Understand?
jferristube 2 months ago
John Also prophesied an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the inhabitants of the earth BEFORE the great and terrible Day of the Lord.If that angel was to BRING the everlasting gospel in the last days then that tells the Intelligent person that all the prophesies of an Apostacy given by Christ nd His Apostles MUST have Happened.Thus the need for that angel to BRING/RESTORE the Everlasting Gospel BACK to the earth.
jferristube 2 months ago
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fulfills Bible prophesy as does the BoM.Both canons testify of each other.Christ Himself testifies Himself of the inhabitants of the Americas.Indeed the whole world.We Know He will yet reveal many more great and important things pertaining to His Kingdom before His return to prepare us ALL for that Day.
Sayin thers No other scripture othr than the Bible goes Against what the Bible testifies.
Only those unafraid of Truth will Find Truth.Simple
jferristube 2 months ago
Next, the NT says that there will be no more biblical revelation after the book of Revelation.
In a sense that is true.No more "Biblical" revelation. But like I said.Christ His Apostles/Prophets ALL testify that He would continue to "Reveal" His will in the Future.Specifically in the last days
For you to believe God would not cont revelation is to Deny God, His Love for US and most of all.Deny His power to do so.Simple
Again!Read what John said about that angel flying in the midst of heaven.
jferristube 2 months ago
@KPattonArt123 has to agree with previously accepted books within the canon.
The Niciean Council decided what books to include in the Bible.No one in that council claimed divine guidance to which books should be Included.Which books Were Excluded?The bible speaks of Many books NOT found therein.Where are they?What important books/TRUTHS have been left OUT?
Christ said."Man Shall NOT Live by bread Alone But By EVERY Word that Proceedeth Out of the Mouth of God.Not JUST by what men Decide.
jferristube 2 months ago
If any book contradicts them, they can't be canon.
the bible itself has apparent contradictions.
jferristube 2 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I live in NYC, and know a number of ex-Mormons who are now evangelical, Catholic, etc etc.
KPattonArt123 4 months ago
@KPattonArt123 I strongly doubt that.
BornAgainstMormons 4 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Why is Justin Martyr so pro- Mormon?
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
I think all Jesus' friends earthly friends would've made bad Mormons too. Mormonism's a manmade org. of manmade rituals & other man-centered baloney that's not of the 1 true God (who is SPIRIT, totally holy ALWAYS from the start of time to forever & not a man who's just more evolved than the rest of us sin-hearted dorks). So, any1 who does well in that org. is probably not of him either. & a sad sorry deluded patsy who thinks he can evolve into a God although the 1 God existed before time did.
EmBeesWeb 6 months ago
@EmBeesWeb You come off as wrong and at times incoherent.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@kingdigitall Apparently you do, but you aren't smart enough to know that Mormon Christians don't tolerate profanity. If you want to use profanity go on Pastor McCraney's show.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons @BornAgainstMormons @BornAgainstMormons This is a very damning statement (not used as a profanity, but as found in the KJV). What about Paul saying we should be all things to all people? What about when Christ met with the Publicans? Do you think they were acting like Peter Priesthood? What about when Paul tell those who practice circumcision to cut of their own penises? What about when God compares those who go after idols to women who seek to sleep with donkeys because
waynefeller 6 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons ...they are well hung? What about when Isaiah talks about eating dung, and uses the Hebrew word not for "dung" but for "sh!t"? It's all in there. II Kings 18:27; Isaiah 36:12; Ezekial 4:12; Ezekial 23:20-21 (the whole chapter is pretty obscene); Isaiah 64:6 ("rags" refer to sanitary towels); Galatians 5:12. When we look at Christ's call not to use profanity, the greek refers to blasphemy against God, and not merely offensive words.
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller We are not saying that Mr. Shawn's accusations are wrong because of his hypocrisy, but I can refute most (if not all) of his accusations. "Mormons, however see God and believe that they can somehow earn their way to heaven" I believe that God as always existed as a God. ".We do not do good deeds to return to God" Do You have any 2nd or 3rd century historical evidence for the claim? Now explain AB esistance or Plant speciation without using The Theory of Evolution
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian I am not following what that has to day with anything I posted...
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller According to you, why is the Bible the Word of God? Can you prove what the Bible really says? Would all Theologians and scholars agree with you?
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian Before I answer any questions, please explain how what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote.
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller sorry, I should have replied to someone else
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian And why is that?
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller you are not the one that said, "Yeah, Shawn McCraney is a pretty bad guy. I wish he could be more like the Apostle Paul, a murder. Or maybe he could be more like King David. " But you said similar things anyways.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian - I should begin by saying that I am NOT a fan of Shawn McCraney. I think he is abrasive, arrogant, and enjoys arguing more than sharing God's message. However, I find that attacking a man's character is a poor way to go about proving one's point. Anti-Mormons are equally guilty of this, if not more so. Rather than goading the messenger, we should be discussing the message.
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller " I find that attacking a man's character " That's what I said, I don't need to attack his hypocrisy, in order to proof him wrong. "we should be discussing the message." That's right, both the Bible and the Book of Mormon contain God's message.
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian The Book of Mormon has some truth (as any book might), but it is not God's word.
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller "but it is not God's word" circular reasoning. Again to my question, according to you, why is the Bible the Word of God, and not the Book of Mormon?
Also, Explain AB resistance or Plant speciation without using the theory of Evolution
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian The book of Mormon isn't Gods word simply because you say it is. Hebrews 1 tells us that "in times past God spoke to us through the prophets, but in these latter days He speaks to us through His son." We no longer need Old Testament type prophets, because we have the Holy Spirit who speaks to every believing Christian. Also, Revelation 22 says that anyone who adds or subtracts from scripture goes to hell. Revelation is the final book of scripture. Yet J. Smith added more.
KPattonArt123 6 months ago
@KPattonArt123 Maybe you should read Revelations 22 before vaguely referring to it?
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@waynefeller I don~t think your simple declaration makes it so. In fact, I believe it to be as wrong as untruth.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons And this is where it becomes an issue of faith.
waynefeller 6 months ago
@waynefeller " And this is where it becomes an issue of faith."
Can you explain how Magnets work?
TheSkepticChristian 6 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian As far as the Apostle Paul persecuting Christians and sending them to death, 1 Cor 15:9-10, Acts 8:1-5. Acts 9:1-2, Gal 1:13. Also, Paul was unmarried and didn't want to get married, and thus wasn't partaking in celestial marriage. So the Apostle Paul didn't live Mormon doctrine. Paul also said that it was best to remain unmarried in 1 Cor 7:.25-40. Why would the Apostle Paul instruct people not to marry, if the LDS church says you must marry to achieve exaltation?
KPattonArt123 6 months ago
@KPattonArt123 I am pretty sure Paul was married. Try again.
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian King David found Bathsheeba attractive, and found out she was married to Uriah. He called her to his palace and had sex with her (even though she was married to another man, and he was married to another woman), she became pregnant, and then killed Uriah in order to steal her. The story starts in 2 Samuel 11.
So by a Mormon's standard, King David couldn't enter the temple. He'd be a "bad Mormon." Yet God said he's the greatest King ever, a "man after my own heart."
KPattonArt123 6 months ago
@KPattonArt123 God said that before or after King David fell?
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@TheSkepticChristian You believe that God was always God? Then why did Joseph Smith say "as man is, God once was. As God is, man may become"? Why do they teach good Mormons will be exalted and become Gods of their own planets, which they can populate with their wives who are sealed to them for eternity? And why does the LDS church teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 separate Gods, even though the Bible says over and over again that there is only one God of all of creation?
KPattonArt123 6 months ago
@KPattonArt123 Mormon Christians believe Jesus Christ is God. Secondly, the supposed quote from Joseph Smith isn't a quote at all. Hope that helps.
BornAgainstMormons 5 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons 1 for 12 he wasnt a polygamist? He wasnt tried and convicted in n.y.?he didnt have 14 yr old wife? Cmon be honest with yourself. And stop filtering out the comments. What do you have to hide?
dvsone213 6 months ago
@dvsone213 Correct. Or do you hold to the belief that the evidence should be ignored?
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
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BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@chriscason24 I think that was my point. I finally got you to say something honest.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
oh another thing. you said "I think you will find I spread the truth about a man that commits adultery, does drugs, and abuses others" you should spread the truth about who joseph smith was a con artist a polygomist an adulterer a pedafil and a con artists a master mason as if we dont know what they're about. be honestly honest. and why do you feel the need to approve the comments that are being posted..another mormon habit. filtering out the truth!
dvsone213 7 months ago
@dvsone213 I think the only thing you said that was true was that Joseph Smith was a Master Mason. I think that makes you like 1 for 12.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@bornagainstmormons im sorry brother , but i am speaking the truth. unfortunately the information highway has become the greatest enemy of all false doctrines and teachings. im not anti mormon i am anti anything that is against the word of GOD, which mormons claim is inacurate and tainted by the writers of the WORD! its just funny that mormons say this about the bible but yet you have them in your churches. whats the point? just do away with them and change the name to church of joseph smith.
dvsone213 7 months ago
@dvsone213 The Mormon Christian claims are both accurate and soul saving.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
I wish there'd been a show like Shaw's around in the 70's in Utah Valley. I know of at least one soul that might've been spared from the act of suicide due to the extreme social pressures of this sect.
eeikman 7 months ago
@eeikman Active Mormon Christians have a suicide rate 7 times lower than the national average. That is remarkable.
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
@BornAgainstMormons I've struggled with this inherited condition for since my early teens. So, I am intimately acquainted with this illness, and what conditions can worsen an already chronic condition into a lethal one. The additional stresses placed by the Mormon culture on a person predisposed to depression, young men in particular, can be lethal. I firmly believe if I hadn't left the LDS church, I would be dead. As is my brother, and that poor Swartz kid who couldn't say "No Bishop".
eeikman 6 months ago
@eeikman You didn~t even read my comment before replying did you?
BornAgainstMormons 6 months ago
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BornAgainstMormons 7 months ago
@chriscason24 I was waiting for you to say something honest.
BornAgainstMormons 7 months ago
i didnt even watch this video and its not hard