Why do people trying to debunk astrology know nothing about it? His arguments are completely ignorant. This is sad to me, because I really like Neil deGrasse Tyson. James Randi disappointed me in the same way. I'm not saying astrology's real or anything, but I would like to hear a knowledgeable, comprehensive argument against it.
And, yes, astrology would need to be proven true for it to be considered real, I know, but if you're going to go out of your way to try and say something against it...
@Lauxesa - If they want to debunk it they should know about it first, that's all I'm saying. You just sound silly and ignorant trying to debunk something with false information. Science isn't about 'not filling your head with bullshit', it's about finding out the truth. By not knowing about the subject and putting bad arguments out, it makes him look bad and it doesn't prove anything except he hasn't researched the topic before talking about it.
@chibiariel I don't get what you're saying. His definition of astrology is very accurate. It's a system of belief that tries to correlate the movement of cosmic bodies with human events.His musing of the subject here is not very comprehensive, but what he described was a fundamental flaw in how contemporary astrological predictions are made.
@axemurderer27 - 1.) Go to newspaper horoscope: Newspaper horoscopes have nothing to do with real astrology. Real astrology has a number of signs, including the Sun sign (the one we know), the Moon, Ascendant, Descendant, Moon nodes, all the planets, and some asteroids. You couldn't put everybody's in a newspaper.
@axemurderer27 - 2.) Where the Sun was: This assumes it's about constellations, when it's actually about 30 degree portions of the sky, which are named after constellations (well, the popular tropical astrology is, but sidereal astrology is different).
@axemurderer27 - 3.) Ophiuchus IS used in some astrology (named some sidereal astrology), but is irrelevant to the popular tropical astrology as it doesn't matter about the constellations, as I said before, and the 30 degree segments of the sky are just named after constellations.
@chibiariel Firstly he did give three perfectly rational answers against it. The first is that the predictions aren't accurate; each prediction should only apply to 1/12 of the population which of course it doesn't. This very simple observation basically suggests astrology isn't true.
His other two points explain that astrology isn't comparable with astronomy; there are important truths about the zodiac that astrology misses out and this therefore means that it is inaccurate... (Next comment)
@TheHumpadump - Sorry, did you even read what I wrote about how this does NOT debunk astrology? His points are not rational in terms of what astrology is/says, and I explained why. If you actually look into astrology, his points are moot. If you want to sit around and think you're right and all-knowing, then fine, but don't bother commenting.
@chibiariel ...even if the position of where the constellations were at the time of a person's birth had any connection to the day to day events of the person's life.
But then, it is also clear that the constellations at the time of birth have minutely or no influence at all on a person's life. To believe that astrology is able to predict a person's life, even if the prediction is true, is to commit the Post Hoc Fallacy. The factors are not causally linked. ... (Next comment)
@chibiariel But how does pointing out that the position of constellations and the events in a person's are not causally linked not show astrology to be falsified?
@TheHumpadump - Well, firstly, the constellations have nothing to do with tropical astrology. Thirty degree parts of the sky are split up and given the names of certain constellations. Also, planets and the Sun and Moon and a whole tonne of other things are involved (aspects, houses, elements, quality, etc.). (cont'd...)
@TheHumpadump - (cont'd...) And, secondly, if astrology were proven to be true somehow, that doesn't mean HOW it's true has been proven. For example, we can say 'the sky is blue' and prove it on an average day, but that doesn't mean people know why it's blue or how it got to be that way. (I mean, I know we have the answer to that, but knowing the sky is blue doesn't equate knowing why/how.)
@chibiariel To your first point, regardless, these factors are not causally linked to a person's life to the extent that they can dictate the events in a person's life. My claim still stands.
To your second point, I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying it could be true it's just people don't know how? If so, well it's extremely unlikely (obviously there is no degree of certainty, but that is true for every piece of knowledge) and we have ways to show that it is unlikely...
@TheHumpadump - 2nd point: No, you say the zodiac/constellations/etc. 'dictate' our lives according to astrology. I was trying to say that, if astrology were real, it may not be the planets are affecting us, but we can determine certain affects in the manner that is being used by astrology, which is mathematics and patterns, and that it doesn't mean that the planets/portions of the sky/etc. are the things affecting us, but just showing us how things are/will be.
@chibiariel 'it doesn't mean that the planets/portions of the sky/etc. are the things affecting us, but just showing us how things are/will be.' - But that means they are affecting us if they show the future. They have to have some sort of influence to cause these predictions which they clearly don't have. How would they predict the future otherwise?
@chibiariel ... the arguments put forth show that the two factors show hardly any links between the zodiac and the events in people's lives. It has no recognizable effect on a person's weekly life. It's the same as saying that an earthquake on Pluto caused me to read your comment on youtube. They are not causally linked, exactly the same way astrology is to your life. That's what I think your point means, correct me if I'm wrong.
@chibiariel ... Of course, living in a deterministic universe will inevitably have some minute effect on the events in someone's life, but this effect will be so small that it will not be able used to make weekly predictions about that person's life.
Most people have two or three computers now. Apple is great for programing which many scientists also do. If Tyson doesn't, maybe he uses it for presentations because it's more reliable than windows.
i wanna weigh in... some of you people actually still think that somehow the alignment and triangulation of stars have something to do with your personality and future... plebeians... we have some of this crap in modern times... it's called the John Edward Effect... John Edward is the supposed psychic that had his own t.v show... assert random premises and it'll eventually correlate with someone... hey guess what??? someone in your life will tell you something important soon... what b.s..
@WonderWomanFan4life apparently you are the brainwashed one... so what did happen to the other 2 signs??? lets just sweep them under the rug... don't you see something illogical about that??? That is very credulous...
at this point it's too late to even be concerned with it. I think me and a bunch of peeps are just going to roll with what we've got. apparently the other 2 signs didnt matter enough to keep them. Thats what happened.
@WonderWomanFan4life haha, wow!!! seriously... they just didn't matter... wow... end of conversation... im not even going to justify myself with a response... just roll with it... ignorance isn't bliss, it's ignorance...
i cannot change it. apparently it was all stolen info from Kemmit. this NIGGA knows that fuck him. he forgot that ASTROLOGY does exist and gravitational pull of the moon EXISTS how does he suppose we determine things. Tell that to Benjamin Bannekar.. he is rolling over in his grave .. fuck this white washed brain dead unconscious negro
I'm open to the concept of astrology in the Keplerian sense of cosmological configurations imprinting on us in birth. The cosmos is within us. Astrology thus far is considered a junk science because it hasn't acquired the scientific tools to evaluate its core principle. But I do feel there should be a place in science that explores the communication between the individual and the cosmos.
@FluffyBunniesOnFire what a retarded statement. astrology cannot be science because science implies that is open to criticism and changes for better. Galileo, then Newton, then Einstein. the science changes man... astrology has not change in more than 1000 years dude!
@FluffyBunniesOnFire We've spent thousands of years searching for any evidence of such a connection. There's nothing that's been found. At a certain point you need to go and reject your hypothesis.
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No God of mine would want me to stay ignorant of the mechanisms of his glorious creation. That's just the strawman created by brainless God-haters like Neil Tyson. But yea, keep "thinking" instead of researching, Neil. Ensure your place in history as a quack philosopher rather than a groundbreaking scientist.
What's the English word for people who are hilarious and depressing at the same time? People who are the caricatures of themselves, who can barely tie their intellectual shoes, who believe in fairy tales? Oh yeah. I remembered. The word is "christian".
I hope you lead a nice life in your blissful ignorance, in your intellectual quagmire.
I tried to talk sense into a girl in my glass who said she fervently believes in astrology but to no avail. I wasn't even being mean or condescending; but she just ended by saying "some are in touch with these things and others are not". Sigh...
@ZachRose88 yeah astrology might as well just be another religion... and when she says "some are in touch with these things and others are not" she means "some are in touch with REALITY and others are not"
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I wish people understood how deep astrology really was and how much of a role it plays in your life. All water signs should only interact with other water signs because we're only compatible with each other, either as friends or relationships.. Scorpio, pisces and cancer... And water sign people are honestly the most interesting people with the best personality. I can spot them out instantly
@BscarfaceM What compells some one to go to a page where a proposterous belief is displayed, quite effectively, to be just that, and procede to not only endordse this foolishness, but to not even understand it.
Do yourself a favour and start analyzing the things you say. You just made several enormous non-sequiturs in one go: we don't know that the planets never supported life, there is no evidence that they influence behavior, and there is no reason to suspect they have any intended function. Yet you jumped to all of these conclusions.
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To me Astronomy is like a Picture of a Person (observing the surface) but Astrology is like a Picture of a Person you actually Know (knowing the purpose of the planets, that's why they don't support life and never have because they serve as subconscious wheels of the mind in Astrology and protectors of earth from the neighboring traffic in Astronomy). That's the beauty and difference between the two. One is Astronomy and the other is AstronoME!
I Love Astronomy and Astrology equally. I actually wanted to be an Astronomer/Astronaut when I was a boy. My dad motivated me to learn to read to earn my 1st telescope. Astronomy seems so superficial and when I discovered Astrology it added a soul to each planet and gave the solar system mechanical significance as one big machine designed to support life on earth Intangibly and scientifically.
@Cosmictalk Astrology is not scientific. It is just giving meaning to things that don't have meaning...like Wednesday is hump day (now you will look for reason to make Wednesday hump day)...Sure if you believe than it is true to you, but not in reality.
@vmistry94 exactly correct if a scientist can't explain something then they do need to work on discovering how it is possible which he doesn't and many others don't do. Here he's commenting on the flaws and declaring the possibility of it as being untrue. In stead he should say we have not discovered how astrology functions but there is a lot to be desired in it's understanding after all we have yet to marry physics and quantum physics.
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The Lords prayer says it all, just cause it cant be explained doesnt mean its not so. Science is new and should be devoted to discovering how nature works but these scientist make themselves authority on creation. A scientist should only speak on what has been discovered not on things that havent. (Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. )
@Cosmictalk First off, science is not new. Science was around long before Christianity. Scientists also do not claim authority on creation. Even the Big Bang is not about how the universe was created. It's about how it's evolved. Science doesn't claim to have ALL the answers. Answers leave to more questions. That's why it's science. It's an on-going study. Religion however, feels the need to defend itself after every discovery, or something that contradicts the myths of the Bible. That's sad.
{Correction}To all of you, It's so easy to say it's fake how difficult is that? The composition of the planets the lengths of days and orbits their transits are all received by the pineal gland.
Those are facts now your challenge is to scientifically explain that SMART GUYS.
Depending on what you desire to focus you can choose a method of astrology and use it like psychology and according to the method you can be a different sign because it depends on the perspective. Sidereal I'm Ophiuchan, Tropical I'm Sagittarian, Progressed I'm Aquarian. Chinese I'm a snake all of it pertains to me as a person. How bout instead put your energy into discovering the mystery instead of riding a band wagon that it's untrue. Many here would be the same ones saying the world is flat.
@Cosmictalk lol riigghhtt...I find Dr. Tyson more believable because he puts his time/energy into discovering the mysteries of the world rather than spending it trolling a video that disagrees with his views
Scientist only know what they can explain and if they cant explain it then in their minds it's not true. Well I dont need a scientist to validate what I have proved to myself in all my research. Just take time to learn the traits of each element & quality in every zodiac sign & then observe people when you think you've watched a persons behavior pattern ask their birth sign & if you get good at it you'll begin to understand that Astrology is more about personalities than it is about horoscopes.
@Cosmictalk Scientists know what they can prove or disprove, the rest is UNKNOWN.
The thing is, you sound like you know a lot about astrology, how about learning about science now, by making the paralels, you will be able to see the things that, despite all the metaphors and alegorys, are true in astrology, and the things that are just made up. True, the month someone was born can affect their grades in school, but there is a real explanation behind it.
@Cosmictalk Proper understanding? From what I understand it's mainly pseudorandomgenerators on computers telling random fortune cookie wisdoms to people who pay for that?
@TakesTwoToTango- Where Function is unknown ignorance is inevitable: to all of you. It's so easy to say it's not fake how difficult is that? Instead of everyone talking about it's flaws or imperfections why not put your brilliant minds to work and crack the case of HOW ASTROLOGY WORKS because it's an intricate part of Creation so it needs to be solved scientifically.
@Cosmictalk Again, from the experiments I heard of, even people who are deeply into astrology can't tell the difference between actual astrology work and pseudorandom statements. It's bullshit so it's not a part of creation. The big bang doesn't have anything to do with astrology as far as I know... The brilliant minds HAVE looked at astrology, and have so far concluded that it actually doesn't work at all...
@Cosmictalk A constellation is a bunch of stars that have some sort of shape visible from earth. Travel 30 lightyears away from here and the constellations will be gone. Now, to think that those stars interact in some way with the planets of the solar system (which are much close) weeeeeeelll....
@LesPaul2006 Astrology has to do with life on earth and our solar system and our perspective from earth. Everyone knows constellations are pictures formed by groups of stars that are only relevant from earth. When you think of the Vast cosmos and their neighborhoods astrology is not far fetched would be different from each solar system contributing their unique recipe of energy. What burns me up about scientist is they dont even understand close to the portion of Nature and claim to know it all.
I know that many astrologers acknowledge precession. Hence, the "first point of Aries" has been in Pisces (the "Piscean Age") and will move into Aquarius (the "Aquarian Age").
I don't know much about astrology; and most of what I do know, I know from arguing with astrology believers. I know that the zodiac as defined in astrology doesn't correspond to the constellation boundaries defined by astronomy. Astrologers simply divide the ecliptic into 12 equal, 30-degree segments. In that system, Ophiuchus doesn't define a segment. That it's an astronomical constellation is irrelevant to astrology.
I've never believed in the zodiac fortunes you read, but it's still fun to read. I'd like to think most people who read them are smart enough to know it's random gibberish. You could get a wheel and turn it, every morning, that chooses your 'sign' for that day, and be as close to a true reading as the fortune chosen for you by the con artist working for your local newspaper.
i thought that with the addition of Ophiucus, there were now 13....?
what's the 14th?? i think he might've been mistaken, because i can't find ANYTHING online about a 14th constellation in the zodiac. everything i find says either 12 or 13
@sonicthevampire9 evidently they are talking about a coming one.... Orion. I am almost embarrassed to be looking this up. But I found this little charming site. strdu.com/constellations.html
more like some elitist intellectual can't deal with real world problems and wouldn't get votes. they spend far too much time abstracted and stroking themselves with theoretical fantasies like inhabiting another planet. Astrology is just too down to earth and too common sensical. It doesn't take much on the ground level for somebody to at least hear an astrologer out and consider the possibility, and those people aren't unenlightened or gullible. Their feet just haven't left the ground.
I didn't think the issues that many scientists have with astrology were based in elitism or pretension.
It seems to me that their problems with astrology have to do with a lack of evidence for its effectiveness &/or its mechanism, & I suppose, based on this video, its incoherence with things for which there are evidence.
That seems reasonable to me. I think that the foundation of their concern is to avoid accepting things as true w/out justification; that could be dangerous.
@FeelOfFriction. Easy. Astrology simply says that the positions of the sun, the planets an other space elements at the time of your berth somehow affects your personality. And that sir, is completely false, totally made up. Ther is not even one scientific paper of studies that can prove that.
I don't know what to say about that, they must have been incredibly dumb. For a decision that important and life-changing, 5 minutes of research would be mandatory if you really cared about the "perfect match". Maybe it didn't even cross their mind that astrology can be... wrong? Research isn't even necessary for someone to reach that conclusion, you only need to think about it really.
@piip4 Yeah but most people are naturally superstitious and accept most social memes without questioning. Most people don't research, they leave it in the hands of the media to give them just enough info to make them believe. I think that we have way too much technology based, accessible information for anyone to be stupid now days. And yet we still have dummies.lol
You have no idea how much I agreed to that last part. I keep annoying everyone I know that they could learn a new language, artistical skill or instrument because it's so easy to get everything you need these days, yet people only sit on their couch and watch TV or play games. So much potential talent down the drain. I can't believe some people would chose not to spend some time learning something valuable that will last their entire lifetime, instead of "coasting".
most horoscopes are crap, and that is a crappy argument he is using.. astrology has been hijacked by charlatans and it has been given a bad name since people specialize in only one or a few areas and do not combine all the hermetic arts like you are supposed to do.. go ahead and scoff at it debunkers, be very very proud of yourselves, pat yourselves on the back, and keep whining about things you do not understand
@acr08807 people who spend their time trying to be the most professional nihilist they can by constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater need to be careful not to break their arm from patting themselves on the back so hard.. they go into the world with colored glasses already, just like new age trash dealers. I may be into astrology, but I am not a rip off artists. It really is a fascinating study, and if I did your chart you might see why. It is not like I am trying to convert though
astrology is incredible. I've done well over 100 in depth natal chart interpretations for people. This guy is being very shallow. So much more to it than what he is putting on. I would offer a free in depth chart to a "debunker", though it's possible they wouldn't even appreciate it if it was right there in front of them
I know Neil is suppose to be a scientist and all that and I think he is funny as but that's the problem, at least according to all the videos here, he comes across as just a situation comedian. Not saying that what he says doesn't make sence but so does Seinfeld or Robin Williams and so on.
@slavetotheblues Find me one place where he said a scientific claim which was wrong because he was funny. One! Also, the science teachers which I've learn most of were all funny people. The simple similarity between Tyson and comedian is there both funny, that's all, don't try to imply anything else and especially that they both are the same
originally what has become the signs were aligned with the constellations and because the constellations were used as reference points ancient people probably infered that the constellations were behind the influence when really they are not. One of those minor things that get blown out of proportion and is meant to be a diversion to the real claims astrologers are presenting.
Your skepticism and line of questioning is the equavalent of someone who is brushing up on the material to be on his kindergarden entrance exam challenging somebody who has mastered a field already.
It's funny when some people say I'm close-minded because I don't believe in astrology, but they accept my opinion when I say: "I'm (any zodiak sign here) and we are generally sceptical."
i think i like pythagoras argument against astrology better. he points out that identical twins born in exactly the same place within minutes of each other often lead radically different lives. i like this because it falsifies the base assumption of astrology, that of there being a correlation between star positions and fate. in tyson's example one could argue that those respective astrologers were incomptent, but pythagora's falsifies the very foundation of this pseudoscience.
i thought he was our new "god"...if i had to choose between him and the bible god. it would be no contest. i would choose Neil. Neil knows more than the bible god and never tried to wipe out the earths human population, which is a big plus.
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hey amateurs. sponser your own tests about astrology. It would have to seem totally objective though, even though your are clearly biased. make it seem objective though, and make sure it is attentive to variables and not full of cheap trickery like James Randi specializes in. Show everybody something, Science hasn't been able to.
nobody was really educated here, and it's a little discerning that science attacks either the worst astrology arguements, or things that aren't even really arguements. Science seems empowered somewhat by people remaining ignorant. not good.
Hows about you make a trip to the library, discern the dictionary from the other books, and look up the words "discern" and "disconcert"--? Just an idea, zodiac boy.
I think belief in astrology is quite demonstrative of just exactly how desperate feeble-minded humans can be to struggle to assign some kind of 'meaning' to their existence, while there is NO evident 'meaning' besides what we assign to it with the crazy-ass stories we come up with!!
so it doesn't matter if someone is called a Scorpio vs a Ophiuchus or vice versa, because the constellation isn't part of what makes it work, and everybody experiences and is familiar with the influence regardless of what it's called.
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yeah but there are easier ways to do that. Why spend the time and be so attentive to details, when an astrologer could just wait for you out on the street and take your money from you. Use your head.
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why don't you sponser your own study of the subject which is stunningly accurate and beyond reproach then offer it to science as they haven't been able to get the job done. I like your name, especially the sir part. You aren't a bootlicker are you? I don't like when people try to lick my boots.
the theory of signs is that bodies are influenced according to set positions along their orbits. It is a totally local phenomenon and constellations are only a backdrop which most astrologers don't even concern themselves with.
As a scientist who concerns himself with how the universe operates, Mr Tyson ought to be as aware of the fact as any astrologer is, that local planets and luminaries are not literally part of a constellation, therefor cannot be considered to be "in" them.
western astrology has never concerned itself with the constellations as anything other than reference points originally before abstract mathmatics were refined to calculate planetary durations. Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same.
"Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same."
Oh, yes, they are. Even Wikipedia admits that. "The division of the ecliptic into the zodiacal signs originates in Babylonian [...] astronomy during the first half of the 1st millennium BC...", "Babylonian astronomers [...] divided the ecliptic into twelve equal zones of celestial longitude to create the first known celestial coordinate system" ...to be continued
continued ---> "Hellenistic astrology [...] originated from Babylonian and Egyptian astrology", "Hindu astrology adopted the Hellenistic zodiac", "Particularly important in the development of horoscopic astrology was the astrologer and astronomer Ptolemy, whose work [...] laid the basis of the Western astrological tradition. Under the Greeks, [...] the planets, Houses, and signs of the zodiac were rationalized and their function set down in a way that has changed little to the present day".
@UserNr001 have you read ptolemy? Ptolemy didn't lay they basis for anything, he just rehashed info that was generally known in his time. Astrology regardless of it's origins and literal translation of the word has come to be known for seasonal parallels...not a seasonal influence...but a planetary influence wherein there are parallels within all systems. Who cares whether you are open minded or not, I'm pretty close minded myself, the difference is it's good for me because I'm always right.
You wrote: "Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same."
And I wrote: "Oh, yes, they are."
If people didn't "invent" the celestial coordinate system, if they didn't divide the ecliptic into 12 equal zones (it's not physically divided) and named the constellations, today we wouldn't have astrological signs.
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I'm not sure why a brilliant man like deGrasse Tyson is wasting his time on astrology. NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING IN EXISTENCE THINKS ASTROLOGY IS ANYTHING BUT A JOKE!!!
He needs to be putting Creationists in their place with Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dennet.
Have you noticed that there is an Astrology column daily in almost every publication, especially newspapers. But yet not even a weekly or monthly column on Astronomy.
Creationism and Astrology are merely pieces of the larger ignorance. It should be addressed everywhere it exists.
maybe all psychopats are ophiuchans like ophiuchans steals sanity by random... LOL
disprove that, peepz
bboybram 1 week ago
Watch out guys, theres a badass in the audience..
flcl64 2 weeks ago
13 people are Ophiuchans.
hoaxdrinkers 3 weeks ago
Why do people trying to debunk astrology know nothing about it? His arguments are completely ignorant. This is sad to me, because I really like Neil deGrasse Tyson. James Randi disappointed me in the same way. I'm not saying astrology's real or anything, but I would like to hear a knowledgeable, comprehensive argument against it.
And, yes, astrology would need to be proven true for it to be considered real, I know, but if you're going to go out of your way to try and say something against it...
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel filling your head with bullshit is stupid, better remain ignorant of that bullshit.
Lauxesa 1 month ago
@Lauxesa - If they want to debunk it they should know about it first, that's all I'm saying. You just sound silly and ignorant trying to debunk something with false information. Science isn't about 'not filling your head with bullshit', it's about finding out the truth. By not knowing about the subject and putting bad arguments out, it makes him look bad and it doesn't prove anything except he hasn't researched the topic before talking about it.
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel I don't get what you're saying. His definition of astrology is very accurate. It's a system of belief that tries to correlate the movement of cosmic bodies with human events.His musing of the subject here is not very comprehensive, but what he described was a fundamental flaw in how contemporary astrological predictions are made.
axemurderer27 1 month ago
@axemurderer27 - 1.) Go to newspaper horoscope: Newspaper horoscopes have nothing to do with real astrology. Real astrology has a number of signs, including the Sun sign (the one we know), the Moon, Ascendant, Descendant, Moon nodes, all the planets, and some asteroids. You couldn't put everybody's in a newspaper.
chibiariel 1 month ago
@axemurderer27 - 2.) Where the Sun was: This assumes it's about constellations, when it's actually about 30 degree portions of the sky, which are named after constellations (well, the popular tropical astrology is, but sidereal astrology is different).
chibiariel 1 month ago
@axemurderer27 - 3.) Ophiuchus IS used in some astrology (named some sidereal astrology), but is irrelevant to the popular tropical astrology as it doesn't matter about the constellations, as I said before, and the 30 degree segments of the sky are just named after constellations.
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel - namely* (not 'named')
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel Firstly he did give three perfectly rational answers against it. The first is that the predictions aren't accurate; each prediction should only apply to 1/12 of the population which of course it doesn't. This very simple observation basically suggests astrology isn't true.
His other two points explain that astrology isn't comparable with astronomy; there are important truths about the zodiac that astrology misses out and this therefore means that it is inaccurate... (Next comment)
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@TheHumpadump - Sorry, did you even read what I wrote about how this does NOT debunk astrology? His points are not rational in terms of what astrology is/says, and I explained why. If you actually look into astrology, his points are moot. If you want to sit around and think you're right and all-knowing, then fine, but don't bother commenting.
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel ...even if the position of where the constellations were at the time of a person's birth had any connection to the day to day events of the person's life.
But then, it is also clear that the constellations at the time of birth have minutely or no influence at all on a person's life. To believe that astrology is able to predict a person's life, even if the prediction is true, is to commit the Post Hoc Fallacy. The factors are not causally linked. ... (Next comment)
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@TheHumpadump - Sorry for the rudeness before, I took 'Next comment' to be an insult, but I see what it means now.
At any rate, no one said anything about believing astrology. I'm just pointing out that his arguments don't debunk astrology.
I'd appreciate it if you'd read my previous comments, as I already explain why his arguments don't work against astrology.
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel But how does pointing out that the position of constellations and the events in a person's are not causally linked not show astrology to be falsified?
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@TheHumpadump - Well, firstly, the constellations have nothing to do with tropical astrology. Thirty degree parts of the sky are split up and given the names of certain constellations. Also, planets and the Sun and Moon and a whole tonne of other things are involved (aspects, houses, elements, quality, etc.). (cont'd...)
chibiariel 1 month ago
@TheHumpadump - (cont'd...) And, secondly, if astrology were proven to be true somehow, that doesn't mean HOW it's true has been proven. For example, we can say 'the sky is blue' and prove it on an average day, but that doesn't mean people know why it's blue or how it got to be that way. (I mean, I know we have the answer to that, but knowing the sky is blue doesn't equate knowing why/how.)
chibiariel 1 month ago
@chibiariel To your first point, regardless, these factors are not causally linked to a person's life to the extent that they can dictate the events in a person's life. My claim still stands.
To your second point, I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying it could be true it's just people don't know how? If so, well it's extremely unlikely (obviously there is no degree of certainty, but that is true for every piece of knowledge) and we have ways to show that it is unlikely...
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@TheHumpadump - 2nd point: No, you say the zodiac/constellations/etc. 'dictate' our lives according to astrology. I was trying to say that, if astrology were real, it may not be the planets are affecting us, but we can determine certain affects in the manner that is being used by astrology, which is mathematics and patterns, and that it doesn't mean that the planets/portions of the sky/etc. are the things affecting us, but just showing us how things are/will be.
chibiariel 1 month ago
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@chibiariel 'it doesn't mean that the planets/portions of the sky/etc. are the things affecting us, but just showing us how things are/will be.' - But that means they are affecting us if they show the future. They have to have some sort of influence to cause these predictions which they clearly don't have. How would they predict the future otherwise?
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@chibiariel ... the arguments put forth show that the two factors show hardly any links between the zodiac and the events in people's lives. It has no recognizable effect on a person's weekly life. It's the same as saying that an earthquake on Pluto caused me to read your comment on youtube. They are not causally linked, exactly the same way astrology is to your life. That's what I think your point means, correct me if I'm wrong.
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
@chibiariel ... Of course, living in a deterministic universe will inevitably have some minute effect on the events in someone's life, but this effect will be so small that it will not be able used to make weekly predictions about that person's life.
Basically, astrology is complete nonsense.
TheHumpadump 1 month ago
Most people have two or three computers now. Apple is great for programing which many scientists also do. If Tyson doesn't, maybe he uses it for presentations because it's more reliable than windows.
Zaphod23 1 month ago
12 people are retards.
LiamXaoh 2 months ago 21
@LiamXaoh now - 13 people are.
RoborxRob 3 weeks ago
A scientist with an Apple laptop? That's a first for me.
bluenoserr 3 months ago
@bluenoserr Just about every astronomer and physicist I've encountered uses a Mac.
rubberbandiv 3 months ago
@rubberbandiv I've never met an astronomer with a laptop in tow, but 90%+ the physicists at my university don't use Macs..
bluenoserr 3 months ago
Astrology is Bullshit,
It was first invented by Chinese then Indians,
I don't know why dumb westerners fall for this shit xD
forgottenmemories63 3 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 "I don't know why dumb westerners fall for this shit xD"
They desperately want something to beleive in and they don't think religion is silly enough.
Inclousid 3 months ago
The Doctor assisting in your birth had a greater gravitational effect on you than any constellation.
mikestead 3 months ago 21
i wanna weigh in... some of you people actually still think that somehow the alignment and triangulation of stars have something to do with your personality and future... plebeians... we have some of this crap in modern times... it's called the John Edward Effect... John Edward is the supposed psychic that had his own t.v show... assert random premises and it'll eventually correlate with someone... hey guess what??? someone in your life will tell you something important soon... what b.s..
paul6907 3 months ago
A brainwashed black man. Wow.. how did i get to the WEIRD stupid part of youtube
WonderWomanFan4life 3 months ago
@WonderWomanFan4life apparently you are the brainwashed one... so what did happen to the other 2 signs??? lets just sweep them under the rug... don't you see something illogical about that??? That is very credulous...
paul6907 3 months ago
@paul6907
at this point it's too late to even be concerned with it. I think me and a bunch of peeps are just going to roll with what we've got. apparently the other 2 signs didnt matter enough to keep them. Thats what happened.
WonderWomanFan4life 3 months ago
@WonderWomanFan4life haha, wow!!! seriously... they just didn't matter... wow... end of conversation... im not even going to justify myself with a response... just roll with it... ignorance isn't bliss, it's ignorance...
paul6907 3 months ago
@paul6907
i cannot change it. apparently it was all stolen info from Kemmit. this NIGGA knows that fuck him. he forgot that ASTROLOGY does exist and gravitational pull of the moon EXISTS how does he suppose we determine things. Tell that to Benjamin Bannekar.. he is rolling over in his grave .. fuck this white washed brain dead unconscious negro
WonderWomanFan4life 3 months ago
@paul6907
to those who believe no explanation is necessary. To those of us who DO NOT believe this guy no explanation is possible
WonderWomanFan4life 3 months ago
I'm open to the concept of astrology in the Keplerian sense of cosmological configurations imprinting on us in birth. The cosmos is within us. Astrology thus far is considered a junk science because it hasn't acquired the scientific tools to evaluate its core principle. But I do feel there should be a place in science that explores the communication between the individual and the cosmos.
FluffyBunniesOnFire 3 months ago
@FluffyBunniesOnFire what a retarded statement. astrology cannot be science because science implies that is open to criticism and changes for better. Galileo, then Newton, then Einstein. the science changes man... astrology has not change in more than 1000 years dude!
jose19821223 3 months ago
@FluffyBunniesOnFire We've spent thousands of years searching for any evidence of such a connection. There's nothing that's been found. At a certain point you need to go and reject your hypothesis.
JoshuaZelinsky 3 months ago
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No God of mine would want me to stay ignorant of the mechanisms of his glorious creation. That's just the strawman created by brainless God-haters like Neil Tyson. But yea, keep "thinking" instead of researching, Neil. Ensure your place in history as a quack philosopher rather than a groundbreaking scientist.
tpstrat14 5 months ago
@tpstrat14
What's the English word for people who are hilarious and depressing at the same time? People who are the caricatures of themselves, who can barely tie their intellectual shoes, who believe in fairy tales? Oh yeah. I remembered. The word is "christian".
I hope you lead a nice life in your blissful ignorance, in your intellectual quagmire.
d3st88 5 months ago
@d3st88 Be sure to stay home with ideas that faith is bad. You might not have enough faith to even put on your pants or tie your shoes!! Yikes!!
tpstrat14 5 months ago
black guy bullshitting a large audience, havent seen that before, honest.
Jackalofdeath 5 months ago
@Jackalofdeath Are you implying that astrology isn't bullshit?
TheAngryAmoeba 5 months ago
@Jackalofdeath astrophysicist, not black bullshitter. you wouldn't wanna get into an IQ contest with him.
mignik01 4 months ago 2
@Jackalofdeath There isnt enough room on the Earth's surface to contain the ignorance in your statement.
outlaw87100 4 months ago
@Jackalofdeath no no ... your confused, Astrology is the bullshitter.
Fackifiknow 4 months ago
I tried to talk sense into a girl in my glass who said she fervently believes in astrology but to no avail. I wasn't even being mean or condescending; but she just ended by saying "some are in touch with these things and others are not". Sigh...
ZachRose88 5 months ago
@ZachRose88 yeah astrology might as well just be another religion... and when she says "some are in touch with these things and others are not" she means "some are in touch with REALITY and others are not"
Fackifiknow 4 months ago
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wuqimama 6 months ago
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I wish people understood how deep astrology really was and how much of a role it plays in your life. All water signs should only interact with other water signs because we're only compatible with each other, either as friends or relationships.. Scorpio, pisces and cancer... And water sign people are honestly the most interesting people with the best personality. I can spot them out instantly
BscarfaceM 8 months ago
@BscarfaceM
"I wish ..."
No doubt! :D
aNdYmAtTeR 7 months ago 2
@BscarfaceM Thats racist...
Kabitu1 6 months ago
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SchizoidxMan 6 months ago
@BscarfaceM This is quite possibly one of the most retarded comments I have ever read on youtube.
SchizoidxMan 6 months ago
@BscarfaceM What compells some one to go to a page where a proposterous belief is displayed, quite effectively, to be just that, and procede to not only endordse this foolishness, but to not even understand it.
monokhem 5 months ago
@Cosmictalk
Do yourself a favour and start analyzing the things you say. You just made several enormous non-sequiturs in one go: we don't know that the planets never supported life, there is no evidence that they influence behavior, and there is no reason to suspect they have any intended function. Yet you jumped to all of these conclusions.
taicleis 9 months ago
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To me Astronomy is like a Picture of a Person (observing the surface) but Astrology is like a Picture of a Person you actually Know (knowing the purpose of the planets, that's why they don't support life and never have because they serve as subconscious wheels of the mind in Astrology and protectors of earth from the neighboring traffic in Astronomy). That's the beauty and difference between the two. One is Astronomy and the other is AstronoME!
Cosmictalk 10 months ago
@Cosmictalk LOL
are you for real?
Apotheosis275 8 months ago
I Love Astronomy and Astrology equally. I actually wanted to be an Astronomer/Astronaut when I was a boy. My dad motivated me to learn to read to earn my 1st telescope. Astronomy seems so superficial and when I discovered Astrology it added a soul to each planet and gave the solar system mechanical significance as one big machine designed to support life on earth Intangibly and scientifically.
Cosmictalk 10 months ago
@Cosmictalk Astrology is not scientific. It is just giving meaning to things that don't have meaning...like Wednesday is hump day (now you will look for reason to make Wednesday hump day)...Sure if you believe than it is true to you, but not in reality.
hellasow 7 months ago
@vmistry94 exactly correct if a scientist can't explain something then they do need to work on discovering how it is possible which he doesn't and many others don't do. Here he's commenting on the flaws and declaring the possibility of it as being untrue. In stead he should say we have not discovered how astrology functions but there is a lot to be desired in it's understanding after all we have yet to marry physics and quantum physics.
Cosmictalk 11 months ago
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The Lords prayer says it all, just cause it cant be explained doesnt mean its not so. Science is new and should be devoted to discovering how nature works but these scientist make themselves authority on creation. A scientist should only speak on what has been discovered not on things that havent. (Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. )
Cosmictalk 11 months ago
@Cosmictalk First off, science is not new. Science was around long before Christianity. Scientists also do not claim authority on creation. Even the Big Bang is not about how the universe was created. It's about how it's evolved. Science doesn't claim to have ALL the answers. Answers leave to more questions. That's why it's science. It's an on-going study. Religion however, feels the need to defend itself after every discovery, or something that contradicts the myths of the Bible. That's sad.
metalmilitia1977 10 months ago
@Cosmictalk You criticize people for trying to discover all the answers, and yet you believe you know them yourself?
Pilaf1984 10 months ago
{Correction}To all of you, It's so easy to say it's fake how difficult is that? The composition of the planets the lengths of days and orbits their transits are all received by the pineal gland.
Those are facts now your challenge is to scientifically explain that SMART GUYS.
Cosmictalk 11 months ago
Depending on what you desire to focus you can choose a method of astrology and use it like psychology and according to the method you can be a different sign because it depends on the perspective. Sidereal I'm Ophiuchan, Tropical I'm Sagittarian, Progressed I'm Aquarian. Chinese I'm a snake all of it pertains to me as a person. How bout instead put your energy into discovering the mystery instead of riding a band wagon that it's untrue. Many here would be the same ones saying the world is flat.
Cosmictalk 1 year ago
@Cosmictalk lol riigghhtt...I find Dr. Tyson more believable because he puts his time/energy into discovering the mysteries of the world rather than spending it trolling a video that disagrees with his views
some1rational 11 months ago
Scientist only know what they can explain and if they cant explain it then in their minds it's not true. Well I dont need a scientist to validate what I have proved to myself in all my research. Just take time to learn the traits of each element & quality in every zodiac sign & then observe people when you think you've watched a persons behavior pattern ask their birth sign & if you get good at it you'll begin to understand that Astrology is more about personalities than it is about horoscopes.
Cosmictalk 1 year ago
@Cosmictalk What would you know about Scientists, are you one?
If a Scientist can't explain something then in their minds it's something they need to work on, it doesn't become untrue.
vmistry94 11 months ago
@Cosmictalk Scientists know what they can prove or disprove, the rest is UNKNOWN.
The thing is, you sound like you know a lot about astrology, how about learning about science now, by making the paralels, you will be able to see the things that, despite all the metaphors and alegorys, are true in astrology, and the things that are just made up. True, the month someone was born can affect their grades in school, but there is a real explanation behind it.
Look it up
DarkZholt 10 months ago
Although he does understand the locations of the constellations, This is not the proper understanding of Astrology or how it's actually used.
Cosmictalk 1 year ago
@Cosmictalk Proper understanding? From what I understand it's mainly pseudorandomgenerators on computers telling random fortune cookie wisdoms to people who pay for that?
TakesTwoToTango 1 year ago
@TakesTwoToTango- Where Function is unknown ignorance is inevitable: to all of you. It's so easy to say it's not fake how difficult is that? Instead of everyone talking about it's flaws or imperfections why not put your brilliant minds to work and crack the case of HOW ASTROLOGY WORKS because it's an intricate part of Creation so it needs to be solved scientifically.
Cosmictalk 11 months ago
@Cosmictalk Again, from the experiments I heard of, even people who are deeply into astrology can't tell the difference between actual astrology work and pseudorandom statements. It's bullshit so it's not a part of creation. The big bang doesn't have anything to do with astrology as far as I know... The brilliant minds HAVE looked at astrology, and have so far concluded that it actually doesn't work at all...
TakesTwoToTango 11 months ago
@Cosmictalk A constellation is a bunch of stars that have some sort of shape visible from earth. Travel 30 lightyears away from here and the constellations will be gone. Now, to think that those stars interact in some way with the planets of the solar system (which are much close) weeeeeeelll....
LesPaul2006 1 year ago
@LesPaul2006 Astrology has to do with life on earth and our solar system and our perspective from earth. Everyone knows constellations are pictures formed by groups of stars that are only relevant from earth. When you think of the Vast cosmos and their neighborhoods astrology is not far fetched would be different from each solar system contributing their unique recipe of energy. What burns me up about scientist is they dont even understand close to the portion of Nature and claim to know it all.
Cosmictalk 1 year ago
Astrology is brunk. For your health.
Gastergensis 1 year ago
Oh I thought it was 13. Would have been fun with all these people who fear the number 13.
blenderpanzi 1 year ago
I know that many astrologers acknowledge precession. Hence, the "first point of Aries" has been in Pisces (the "Piscean Age") and will move into Aquarius (the "Aquarian Age").
BruceK10032 1 year ago
I don't know much about astrology; and most of what I do know, I know from arguing with astrology believers. I know that the zodiac as defined in astrology doesn't correspond to the constellation boundaries defined by astronomy. Astrologers simply divide the ecliptic into 12 equal, 30-degree segments. In that system, Ophiuchus doesn't define a segment. That it's an astronomical constellation is irrelevant to astrology.
BruceK10032 1 year ago
thanks sinbad <3
luvskaos 1 year ago
They need to play this clip on all of the breaking news reports that are talking about this subject lately!
poorlittlerichiegirl 1 year ago 2
I've never believed in the zodiac fortunes you read, but it's still fun to read. I'd like to think most people who read them are smart enough to know it's random gibberish. You could get a wheel and turn it, every morning, that chooses your 'sign' for that day, and be as close to a true reading as the fortune chosen for you by the con artist working for your local newspaper.
mmarieden 1 year ago
Damn it is 2 in the morning and I have to wake up at 6. Why can't I stop watching these videos?
sevsquad 1 year ago
FOURTEEN constellations in the zodiac??
i thought that with the addition of Ophiucus, there were now 13....?
what's the 14th?? i think he might've been mistaken, because i can't find ANYTHING online about a 14th constellation in the zodiac. everything i find says either 12 or 13
sonicthevampire9 1 year ago
@sonicthevampire9 he is making fun of people who are scared of the number 13
andriod84 1 year ago
@sonicthevampire9 evidently they are talking about a coming one.... Orion. I am almost embarrassed to be looking this up. But I found this little charming site. strdu.com/constellations.html
manatole1981 1 year ago
the earth rules!
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
more like some elitist intellectual can't deal with real world problems and wouldn't get votes. they spend far too much time abstracted and stroking themselves with theoretical fantasies like inhabiting another planet. Astrology is just too down to earth and too common sensical. It doesn't take much on the ground level for somebody to at least hear an astrologer out and consider the possibility, and those people aren't unenlightened or gullible. Their feet just haven't left the ground.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
@CDanielzSpecialist
I didn't think the issues that many scientists have with astrology were based in elitism or pretension.
It seems to me that their problems with astrology have to do with a lack of evidence for its effectiveness &/or its mechanism, & I suppose, based on this video, its incoherence with things for which there are evidence.
That seems reasonable to me. I think that the foundation of their concern is to avoid accepting things as true w/out justification; that could be dangerous.
BreathingTheDark 1 year ago
I bet no one on this page even knows what astrology really is. Just like this ignorant airhead in the video. If you think you do then tell me.
FeelOfFriction 1 year ago
@FeelOfFriction. Easy. Astrology simply says that the positions of the sun, the planets an other space elements at the time of your berth somehow affects your personality. And that sir, is completely false, totally made up. Ther is not even one scientific paper of studies that can prove that.
oskitarrodriguez 1 year ago
@FeelOfFriction I am pretty sure an acomplished astrophysicist knows somethin about astrology and how much crap it is...
s5b678 1 year ago
acr08807 I about fell off my chair laughing!!! :D
crystalheart9 1 year ago
Love it.
TheDarkSagan 1 year ago
lol nobody actually believe in astrology. It's like psychics, it's a fun idea but only entertainment.
piip4 1 year ago
@piip4 Actually I met a few females that would search out males with a particular sign because they believed they would be a perfect match.
TheDarkSagan 1 year ago
@TheDarkSagan
Oh wow...
I don't know what to say about that, they must have been incredibly dumb. For a decision that important and life-changing, 5 minutes of research would be mandatory if you really cared about the "perfect match". Maybe it didn't even cross their mind that astrology can be... wrong? Research isn't even necessary for someone to reach that conclusion, you only need to think about it really.
piip4 1 year ago
@piip4 Yeah but most people are naturally superstitious and accept most social memes without questioning. Most people don't research, they leave it in the hands of the media to give them just enough info to make them believe. I think that we have way too much technology based, accessible information for anyone to be stupid now days. And yet we still have dummies.lol
TheDarkSagan 1 year ago
@TheDarkSagan
You have no idea how much I agreed to that last part. I keep annoying everyone I know that they could learn a new language, artistical skill or instrument because it's so easy to get everything you need these days, yet people only sit on their couch and watch TV or play games. So much potential talent down the drain. I can't believe some people would chose not to spend some time learning something valuable that will last their entire lifetime, instead of "coasting".
piip4 1 year ago
most horoscopes are crap, and that is a crappy argument he is using.. astrology has been hijacked by charlatans and it has been given a bad name since people specialize in only one or a few areas and do not combine all the hermetic arts like you are supposed to do.. go ahead and scoff at it debunkers, be very very proud of yourselves, pat yourselves on the back, and keep whining about things you do not understand
pulsating123 1 year ago
@pulsating123 We aren't whining about you, we are laughing at you.
acr08807 1 year ago
@acr08807 not offended :)
pulsating123 1 year ago
@pulsating123 Damn, I'm not trying hard enough then.
acr08807 1 year ago
@acr08807 people who spend their time trying to be the most professional nihilist they can by constantly throwing the baby out with the bathwater need to be careful not to break their arm from patting themselves on the back so hard.. they go into the world with colored glasses already, just like new age trash dealers. I may be into astrology, but I am not a rip off artists. It really is a fascinating study, and if I did your chart you might see why. It is not like I am trying to convert though
pulsating123 1 year ago
@pulsating123 Physicians no longer bleed people to cure fevers. Is that throwing the baby out with the bathwater, too?
Every rip-off artist I've ever met has claimed not to be a rip-off artist. You're no different, you just drone on longer than most.
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acr08807 1 year ago
@pulsating123 "whining about things you do not understand"
but, isn't that what astrology is all about?
patataton 1 year ago
astrology is incredible. I've done well over 100 in depth natal chart interpretations for people. This guy is being very shallow. So much more to it than what he is putting on. I would offer a free in depth chart to a "debunker", though it's possible they wouldn't even appreciate it if it was right there in front of them
pulsating123 1 year ago
The zodiac is very interesting if your studying ancient knowledge.
FeelOfFriction 1 year ago
science is nothing but theory...this is sooo stupid...ignorance at its finest....do any of you understand at all what the word theory means....
JazySnatch 1 year ago
I know Neil is suppose to be a scientist and all that and I think he is funny as but that's the problem, at least according to all the videos here, he comes across as just a situation comedian. Not saying that what he says doesn't make sence but so does Seinfeld or Robin Williams and so on.
slavetotheblues 1 year ago
@slavetotheblues Find me one place where he said a scientific claim which was wrong because he was funny. One! Also, the science teachers which I've learn most of were all funny people. The simple similarity between Tyson and comedian is there both funny, that's all, don't try to imply anything else and especially that they both are the same
2CSST2 1 year ago
Does this mean there's still 2 more unknown Cylon models? THEY COULD BE ANYBODY!
theeponym 1 year ago 2
originally what has become the signs were aligned with the constellations and because the constellations were used as reference points ancient people probably infered that the constellations were behind the influence when really they are not. One of those minor things that get blown out of proportion and is meant to be a diversion to the real claims astrologers are presenting.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
Your skepticism and line of questioning is the equavalent of someone who is brushing up on the material to be on his kindergarden entrance exam challenging somebody who has mastered a field already.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
@CDanielzSpecialist Discrediting another person is more of an argument against you than the person you are talking to
2CSST2 1 year ago
It's funny when some people say I'm close-minded because I don't believe in astrology, but they accept my opinion when I say: "I'm (any zodiak sign here) and we are generally sceptical."
UserNr001 1 year ago
OFROUUKIN LOL
NEXUS1A 2 years ago
i think i like pythagoras argument against astrology better. he points out that identical twins born in exactly the same place within minutes of each other often lead radically different lives. i like this because it falsifies the base assumption of astrology, that of there being a correlation between star positions and fate. in tyson's example one could argue that those respective astrologers were incomptent, but pythagora's falsifies the very foundation of this pseudoscience.
zapopaul 2 years ago 8
i vote for Dr Tyson to be king of the world
thegdin 2 years ago 219
i thought he was our new "god"...if i had to choose between him and the bible god. it would be no contest. i would choose Neil. Neil knows more than the bible god and never tried to wipe out the earths human population, which is a big plus.
hellasow 2 years ago 6
@hellasow And doesn't require sacrifices or belief :)
TheMeanEYE 3 months ago
@thegdin me too :d
ddennis911 1 year ago
@thegdin yeah Why can't someone like him get voted into presidency ?
ShipMonster 1 year ago
@ShipMonster because smart people avoid political roles like pestilence. For them would be like being closed in a cage of monkeys.
bobafetthotmail 1 year ago
I think I love this man, he is so intelligent.
fallisfavorite 2 years ago 4
I really know what you mean :]
jamahata 2 years ago
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PEOPLE OF EARTH, BEHOLD OUR GOD! Dr. NIEL DEGRASSE TYSON BOWDOWN AND WORSHIP NOW! BOWDOWN BEFOR YOUR CREATOR AND KEEPER OF ALL THINGS KNOWN TO US STUPID MORTALS! NIEL OU ANIMALS NIEL BEFOR GOD!!!!!!!!!
cHunks2dOpE1 2 years ago
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hey amateurs. sponser your own tests about astrology. It would have to seem totally objective though, even though your are clearly biased. make it seem objective though, and make sure it is attentive to variables and not full of cheap trickery like James Randi specializes in. Show everybody something, Science hasn't been able to.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
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Even astrologers consider sun-sign astrology bunk; kind of showed himself to be ignorant of the subject he was attacking.
cuallito 2 years ago
All astrology is ignorant of the subject.
YoureMistakenSir 2 years ago 2
nobody was really educated here, and it's a little discerning that science attacks either the worst astrology arguements, or things that aren't even really arguements. Science seems empowered somewhat by people remaining ignorant. not good.
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myroncope 2 years ago
every one is ignorant, and astrology is just very very dumb.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago 2
We're all ignorant to a degree, but some are off the charts.
YoureMistakenSir 2 years ago 5
@CDanielzSpecialist
discerning?
Hows about you make a trip to the library, discern the dictionary from the other books, and look up the words "discern" and "disconcert"--? Just an idea, zodiac boy.
I think belief in astrology is quite demonstrative of just exactly how desperate feeble-minded humans can be to struggle to assign some kind of 'meaning' to their existence, while there is NO evident 'meaning' besides what we assign to it with the crazy-ass stories we come up with!!
4tabula2rasa0 1 year ago
so it doesn't matter if someone is called a Scorpio vs a Ophiuchus or vice versa, because the constellation isn't part of what makes it work, and everybody experiences and is familiar with the influence regardless of what it's called.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
It doesn't work. Not at all.
YoureMistakenSir 2 years ago 2
True, astrology is a fancy way to say, give me yo money.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago 2
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yeah but there are easier ways to do that. Why spend the time and be so attentive to details, when an astrologer could just wait for you out on the street and take your money from you. Use your head.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
Thats what religion is for.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago 4
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why don't you sponser your own study of the subject which is stunningly accurate and beyond reproach then offer it to science as they haven't been able to get the job done. I like your name, especially the sir part. You aren't a bootlicker are you? I don't like when people try to lick my boots.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
the theory of signs is that bodies are influenced according to set positions along their orbits. It is a totally local phenomenon and constellations are only a backdrop which most astrologers don't even concern themselves with.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
As a scientist who concerns himself with how the universe operates, Mr Tyson ought to be as aware of the fact as any astrologer is, that local planets and luminaries are not literally part of a constellation, therefor cannot be considered to be "in" them.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
western astrology has never concerned itself with the constellations as anything other than reference points originally before abstract mathmatics were refined to calculate planetary durations. Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 years ago
@CDanielzSpecialist
"Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same."
Oh, yes, they are. Even Wikipedia admits that. "The division of the ecliptic into the zodiacal signs originates in Babylonian [...] astronomy during the first half of the 1st millennium BC...", "Babylonian astronomers [...] divided the ecliptic into twelve equal zones of celestial longitude to create the first known celestial coordinate system" ...to be continued
UserNr001 1 year ago
continued ---> "Hellenistic astrology [...] originated from Babylonian and Egyptian astrology", "Hindu astrology adopted the Hellenistic zodiac", "Particularly important in the development of horoscopic astrology was the astrologer and astronomer Ptolemy, whose work [...] laid the basis of the Western astrological tradition. Under the Greeks, [...] the planets, Houses, and signs of the zodiac were rationalized and their function set down in a way that has changed little to the present day".
UserNr001 1 year ago
@UserNr001 have you read ptolemy? Ptolemy didn't lay they basis for anything, he just rehashed info that was generally known in his time. Astrology regardless of it's origins and literal translation of the word has come to be known for seasonal parallels...not a seasonal influence...but a planetary influence wherein there are parallels within all systems. Who cares whether you are open minded or not, I'm pretty close minded myself, the difference is it's good for me because I'm always right.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
@CDanielzSpecialist
You wrote: "Signs and Constellations, while being synonomous originally are not the same."
And I wrote: "Oh, yes, they are."
If people didn't "invent" the celestial coordinate system, if they didn't divide the ecliptic into 12 equal zones (it's not physically divided) and named the constellations, today we wouldn't have astrological signs.
UserNr001 1 year ago
where can we find the full version?
dumbnetworks 2 years ago 7
i want the full versdion
princeofdrit 2 years ago 6
me too!!!
LibanPhotography 2 years ago
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I'm not sure why a brilliant man like deGrasse Tyson is wasting his time on astrology. NOT A SINGLE HUMAN BEING IN EXISTENCE THINKS ASTROLOGY IS ANYTHING BUT A JOKE!!!
He needs to be putting Creationists in their place with Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dennet.
shawnpitman 2 years ago
actually some believe it, ask my cousins friend, it's quite funny.
doomroe3 2 years ago
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how wrong you are
Sqirril 2 years ago
That's not true. Almost all people know astrology is a joke, but not Geminis. Geminis are very gullible.
acr08807 2 years ago 174
Ha, nice one
necropedophilia 2 years ago
@acr08807 not a chance. This is the problem. Pisces are gullible. Gemini is ignorant. Each lacks firmness of character in a different way.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
@CDanielzSpecialist OK, you win.
acr08807 1 year ago
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pdlbean 1 year ago
@acr08807 I take personal offense to that as a Gemini. :P (yes I get the joke)
pdlbean 1 year ago
@acr08807
bahahahaha
disturbedshawn 1 year ago
@acr08807 Ironic, I know a gullible Gemini LMAO
HybridD91 1 year ago
@acr08807 lmfao thumbs up
therealtonylugo 1 year ago
@acr08807 LMAO....i just spilled my coffee
bladerj 1 year ago
But it's the same thing.
Ignorant superstition.
Have you noticed that there is an Astrology column daily in almost every publication, especially newspapers. But yet not even a weekly or monthly column on Astronomy.
Creationism and Astrology are merely pieces of the larger ignorance. It should be addressed everywhere it exists.
The true empowerment of people lies in knowledge.
XenMonkey13 2 years ago 6