Metaphysics is inner tradition as opposed to outer ritualistic forms, outer ritual is more Aryan Sun cult in form whereas the inner tradition would be Lunar Dynastic
meta-physics has been I think one of the most misused and misunderstood words in the last 6-8 years sadly.
I am not sure what the point was to this, or the key statement, but it was enjoyable and interesting and it was sort of like being read a nice bed time story but more intellectually stimulating. I found it quite oddly relaxing.
You've reminded me of something I find abhorrent about particular preconceptions with religion, that of the notion that something must be mysterious in order to be miraculous and therefore must not be explored or understood as any attempt to eplain it would remove the mystery (see ICP's miracles for pitch-perfect example)
The flipped side of that coin of course is the dismissive attitude of regarding human experience based on biochemistry alone, and both are equally rejectionary to...
... me. They in fact speak of the same presumption that a thing can only be either miraculous and mysterious or understandable and mundane, when in actuality the complete opposite is true!
From my own experience at least, the more I understand about the world the more it fascinates me, I can observe things like weather and living things and experience highs and lows of emotions and recognise more or less their chemical makeup and the processes that formed them...
...the mistake here is to then assume that the explanation defeats the fascination that initially led to it, which is a very limiting and dismissive attitude, as well as a baffling one.
If anything, the more I understand about the universe the more fascinating it is, not only for the experience of particular processes within it, but for those processes themselves.
This is actually something that occurs quite a lot in my fiction, I will move away from the story itself...
... simply to expand on the created world in which it operates, I will consider and explore the environmental and physiological factors that lead to my alien species to evolve to their current shape, something I find is so rarely explored within "science fiction", the position and chemical makeup of planets, the relationships of stars and atoms and then deeper into the infinite possibilities of worlds within worlds where a billion other stories are waiting to be told...
Ultimately, most will live as nothing more than clever animals, the ignorance and obliviousness of man astounds me, how people can go about their lives blind to the world around them, I just don't understand.
Very thought provoking stuff, and it's a subject that I could talk about forever, so I'll stop now.
I don't believe in supernatural things, but I do feel that there is more to life than most see, too few men will pierce the veil over this human life and realise what their lives really are and what the universe holds for them beyond simply milling about this world doing their business. In this day and age, human life is so without heart, it is a wholesome life to lead if you can appreciate all that is around you, the beauty of nature and the complexity of life.
I'm a very spiritual person in a metaphysical sense, not a religious sense, I agree people get the line between these things blurred all too often. I follow no religion, I don't believe that any sort of religious tenet constructed by man can hope to express and explain the universe we live in. Atheists annoy me, I'm friends with a particularly blatant one, and the whole view he holds on life is so bleak, and what bothers me most, is that he isn't bothered by it. There is so much more to life
I have encountered this erroneous thinking more often than not here on the tubes. I have also encountered so-called 'metaphysical-eliminativists' who also think that metaphysics entails some spooky platonic heaven, which is equally missing the point - thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Wow. You know something, there is a certain interesting effect on the human brain when it's only been active approximately 15 minutes and the first thing it takes in is a discussion video on a subject like this. I was thinking of going back to bed. Now my brain is hard wired for the day! Of course, the tea didn't hurt either, but you get the idea.
how does someone take a view of the world beyond their own cultural and traditional parameters? It is impossible. You should read, "The View From Nowhere" by Thomas Nagel
No, it's far from impossible; travel and experience of other cultures can corrode the cultural presuppositions with which one is conditioned, as can reading; exposure to new positions, data, ideas that stand outside of the cultures and traditions one is pre-programmed to regard as absolute. People do it all the time, from those who grow up in fundamentalist christian households who end up being atheists, to the Muslim or Judaic child who turns to paganism.
@ExaggeratedElegy with you from the United Kingdom I'm assuming you find the practice of eating dog meat unacceptable. So, how much exposure to new positions, data, ideas that stand outside of British culture do you need before you find eating dog meat acceptable?
What I always wonder about those who think so extreme as to be religious or atheist is their conviction that they are right, both sides are guilty of this. To the point that they can only see the differences between one another. No room for consideration or growth. It's all blind faith when you go in for one side and close your ears to another, just depends on what label you want to put on it. I wonder though what's so important about being right? Random opinionated rant, sorry.
Not necessarily; describing oneself as atheist does not presume knowledge; it is not a statement that: "God/gods/divinities do not and cannot exist;" it is merely a statement of belief with regards to the claims of gods provided by their adherents, i.e. "I do not believe what you have presented exists, but if something comes along to demonstrate otherwise, then fine." Of course, there are what are generally refered to as "striong atheists," who are more extreme and state...
..."God does not and cannot exist." This is rather foolish in its absolutism, and certainly not my own position, though I certainly am an atheist (in the sense that I do not believe in any of the claims of Gods thus far provided).
@ExaggeratedElegy I'm with you on all of that. I had the "strong" or "extreme" types in mind here and may have wandered off topic. I fall into the aethiest camp myself and I try to be open to being convinced otherwise if someday someone makes a good enough argument. We only have limited knowledge of the universe ourselves and every couple hundred years we seem to turn that on its head, but still folks I know try and tell me its the absolute truth, til the next breakthrough.
@ExaggeratedElegy perhaps I should stick to your toy reviews, debating has never been a strong suit of mine :P bring on some more plastic crack good sir :)
@ExaggeratedElegy After listening to your opinions, which as you say are not absolutist, wouldn't you say you were an agnostic rather than an atheist?
The two aren't mutually exclusive: I'm an agnostic atheist; agnostic in the sense that I don't pretend knowledge whether or not something analogous to a god exists, atheist in the sense that I don't currently believe such a thing does.
@ExaggeratedElegy I would call myself more of a pragmatic agnostic. In that I do see a certain logic to the world (although whether than is ourselves a la Pascal imposing a logic of our own on a essentially chaotic universe is another matter). Like the great man said 'do not claim conclusions are certainties that are not not demonstrable'. Etymologically I think 'agnositc atheist' is a bit of a strange one. It essentially means 'I don't believe I don't know' when you break it down....
@Orniphus at 8:42 he makes a lie of your statement "they can only see the differences between one another. No room for consideration or growth. It's all blind faith when you go in for one side and close your ears to another"....you didn't watch it all the way to the end methinks.
@DingoBabyEat my apologies then. I did watch it to the end cheers, guess I got caught up in a random thought there. All my "you"s in my statement weren't directed at George, they were meant to be a figurative other that I seem to have lost the ability to communicate along the way, I'll replace them with "one" next time. And it's a bit unfair to call someone a liar without clarifying what they mean before judging them... methinks. Wouldn't it be nicer to ask me what I meant next time?
Metaphysics is inner tradition as opposed to outer ritualistic forms, outer ritual is more Aryan Sun cult in form whereas the inner tradition would be Lunar Dynastic
Lancashirefolk 2 months ago
love is... bo burnham
^^that guy describes love pretty well^^
QWERTYADAM 3 months ago
meta-physics has been I think one of the most misused and misunderstood words in the last 6-8 years sadly.
I am not sure what the point was to this, or the key statement, but it was enjoyable and interesting and it was sort of like being read a nice bed time story but more intellectually stimulating. I found it quite oddly relaxing.
damnyouhussies 3 months ago
You've reminded me of something I find abhorrent about particular preconceptions with religion, that of the notion that something must be mysterious in order to be miraculous and therefore must not be explored or understood as any attempt to eplain it would remove the mystery (see ICP's miracles for pitch-perfect example)
The flipped side of that coin of course is the dismissive attitude of regarding human experience based on biochemistry alone, and both are equally rejectionary to...
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
@GlasgowPhilosipher
... me. They in fact speak of the same presumption that a thing can only be either miraculous and mysterious or understandable and mundane, when in actuality the complete opposite is true!
From my own experience at least, the more I understand about the world the more it fascinates me, I can observe things like weather and living things and experience highs and lows of emotions and recognise more or less their chemical makeup and the processes that formed them...
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
@GlasgowPhilosipher
...the mistake here is to then assume that the explanation defeats the fascination that initially led to it, which is a very limiting and dismissive attitude, as well as a baffling one.
If anything, the more I understand about the universe the more fascinating it is, not only for the experience of particular processes within it, but for those processes themselves.
This is actually something that occurs quite a lot in my fiction, I will move away from the story itself...
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
@GlasgowPhilosipher
... simply to expand on the created world in which it operates, I will consider and explore the environmental and physiological factors that lead to my alien species to evolve to their current shape, something I find is so rarely explored within "science fiction", the position and chemical makeup of planets, the relationships of stars and atoms and then deeper into the infinite possibilities of worlds within worlds where a billion other stories are waiting to be told...
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
@GlasgowPhilosipher
... Really you can get a lot more out of this stuff by allowing as much in as possible :D
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
My brain is now fed.
GlasgowPhilosipher 3 months ago
Ultimately, most will live as nothing more than clever animals, the ignorance and obliviousness of man astounds me, how people can go about their lives blind to the world around them, I just don't understand.
Very thought provoking stuff, and it's a subject that I could talk about forever, so I'll stop now.
waspshot23 3 months ago
I don't believe in supernatural things, but I do feel that there is more to life than most see, too few men will pierce the veil over this human life and realise what their lives really are and what the universe holds for them beyond simply milling about this world doing their business. In this day and age, human life is so without heart, it is a wholesome life to lead if you can appreciate all that is around you, the beauty of nature and the complexity of life.
waspshot23 3 months ago
I'm a very spiritual person in a metaphysical sense, not a religious sense, I agree people get the line between these things blurred all too often. I follow no religion, I don't believe that any sort of religious tenet constructed by man can hope to express and explain the universe we live in. Atheists annoy me, I'm friends with a particularly blatant one, and the whole view he holds on life is so bleak, and what bothers me most, is that he isn't bothered by it. There is so much more to life
waspshot23 3 months ago
I have encountered this erroneous thinking more often than not here on the tubes. I have also encountered so-called 'metaphysical-eliminativists' who also think that metaphysics entails some spooky platonic heaven, which is equally missing the point - thanks for sharing your thoughts.
LordImmolation 3 months ago
Wow. You know something, there is a certain interesting effect on the human brain when it's only been active approximately 15 minutes and the first thing it takes in is a discussion video on a subject like this. I was thinking of going back to bed. Now my brain is hard wired for the day! Of course, the tea didn't hurt either, but you get the idea.
WolfKang1 3 months ago
You are so cool. CALL ME!
clerzerkerTOto7 3 months ago
how does someone take a view of the world beyond their own cultural and traditional parameters? It is impossible. You should read, "The View From Nowhere" by Thomas Nagel
Steve2323ZX 3 months ago
@Steve2323ZX
No, it's far from impossible; travel and experience of other cultures can corrode the cultural presuppositions with which one is conditioned, as can reading; exposure to new positions, data, ideas that stand outside of the cultures and traditions one is pre-programmed to regard as absolute. People do it all the time, from those who grow up in fundamentalist christian households who end up being atheists, to the Muslim or Judaic child who turns to paganism.
ExaggeratedElegy 3 months ago
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@ExaggeratedElegy with you from the United Kingdom I'm assuming you find the practice of eating dog meat unacceptable. So, how much exposure to new positions, data, ideas that stand outside of British culture do you need before you find eating dog meat acceptable?
Steve2323ZX 3 months ago
What I always wonder about those who think so extreme as to be religious or atheist is their conviction that they are right, both sides are guilty of this. To the point that they can only see the differences between one another. No room for consideration or growth. It's all blind faith when you go in for one side and close your ears to another, just depends on what label you want to put on it. I wonder though what's so important about being right? Random opinionated rant, sorry.
Orniphus 3 months ago
@Orniphus
Not necessarily; describing oneself as atheist does not presume knowledge; it is not a statement that: "God/gods/divinities do not and cannot exist;" it is merely a statement of belief with regards to the claims of gods provided by their adherents, i.e. "I do not believe what you have presented exists, but if something comes along to demonstrate otherwise, then fine." Of course, there are what are generally refered to as "striong atheists," who are more extreme and state...
ExaggeratedElegy 3 months ago
@Orniphus
..."God does not and cannot exist." This is rather foolish in its absolutism, and certainly not my own position, though I certainly am an atheist (in the sense that I do not believe in any of the claims of Gods thus far provided).
ExaggeratedElegy 3 months ago
@ExaggeratedElegy I'm with you on all of that. I had the "strong" or "extreme" types in mind here and may have wandered off topic. I fall into the aethiest camp myself and I try to be open to being convinced otherwise if someday someone makes a good enough argument. We only have limited knowledge of the universe ourselves and every couple hundred years we seem to turn that on its head, but still folks I know try and tell me its the absolute truth, til the next breakthrough.
Orniphus 3 months ago
@ExaggeratedElegy perhaps I should stick to your toy reviews, debating has never been a strong suit of mine :P bring on some more plastic crack good sir :)
Orniphus 3 months ago
@ExaggeratedElegy After listening to your opinions, which as you say are not absolutist, wouldn't you say you were an agnostic rather than an atheist?
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The two aren't mutually exclusive: I'm an agnostic atheist; agnostic in the sense that I don't pretend knowledge whether or not something analogous to a god exists, atheist in the sense that I don't currently believe such a thing does.
ExaggeratedElegy 1 month ago
@ExaggeratedElegy I would call myself more of a pragmatic agnostic. In that I do see a certain logic to the world (although whether than is ourselves a la Pascal imposing a logic of our own on a essentially chaotic universe is another matter). Like the great man said 'do not claim conclusions are certainties that are not not demonstrable'. Etymologically I think 'agnositc atheist' is a bit of a strange one. It essentially means 'I don't believe I don't know' when you break it down....
BelatedCommiseration 1 month ago
@Orniphus at 8:42 he makes a lie of your statement "they can only see the differences between one another. No room for consideration or growth. It's all blind faith when you go in for one side and close your ears to another"....you didn't watch it all the way to the end methinks.
DingoBabyEat 3 months ago
@DingoBabyEat my apologies then. I did watch it to the end cheers, guess I got caught up in a random thought there. All my "you"s in my statement weren't directed at George, they were meant to be a figurative other that I seem to have lost the ability to communicate along the way, I'll replace them with "one" next time. And it's a bit unfair to call someone a liar without clarifying what they mean before judging them... methinks. Wouldn't it be nicer to ask me what I meant next time?
Orniphus 3 months ago
**Hands ExaggeratedElegy they Lemarchand's box while saying "Take it. Its yours..It always was" lol
Yeah Ive been watching those movies like crazy of late.
grimmviper 3 months ago
@grimmviper *the not they XD
grimmviper 3 months ago
I would love to have a conversation with you about everything, it's a shame YouTube isn't as inter-personal as MSN or Facebook.
PaidYouOff 3 months ago
So like portals?!
LunarFuror 3 months ago