i will give anything to that person who has this concert taped and send it to me. i remember one great duet about a pair in love who were living in different islands not able to be together. i will drown into my tears the day i see that again.
@12321marianne And the enormous masses cheering at Hitler or Stalin were a proof that those men were "beyond extraordinary". Cults and overblown fanhood are both dangerous.
Tarja did graduate both universities, it's written on their respective websides in the list of graduates and it's written in any public biography. It's written in many of her former teacher's websites, in public interviews etc.
I understand that tastes are different but denying cold reality is just weird.
You are an idiot, the dates are here among dozens of your flames. Or maybe the whole thing is a lie and everybody is consipiring against you. La vida es sueno, as the book says...
@MrNakhrul So you're saying you can't find the dates and places of Ms Turunen having graduated or having received any Diploma in singing? That's correct -- neither can I. The most logical conclusion here is she really never did graduate nor receive a Diploma. University education is free in this country, and most more basic musical tuition is strongly subsidised or free, so I wonder if she was just not cut for it.
When did I said that, schyzo? I said it's buried HERE among dozens of your flames. here's one from this page :"After the graduation at the Music Academy in Karlsruhe, in January 2004, Tarja had further minitour Noche Escandinava ...".
Are you sure you're not wearing a white shirt at the moment? One with longs sleeves, that is.
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Plenty of terrible mannerism in pronounciation: "thuuli", "thyyni", "thaas" "tharpeeton" etc, I could take that, but not that mediocre and shallow singing voice with a flat presentation.
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@MrNakhrul I'm afraid I can't agree with you. A singer recording live with a live orchestra can't be post-processed, as the orchestra would be affected by the singer's processing as well. Ms Turunen is just another mediocre classical singer, and that can't be improved, unfortunately.
- Mr Turunen is an exceptional classical singer and you are following an agenda. You say you dont like the performance yet you keep visiting this page and posting inflammatory remarks.
- I sang classical 11 years and at least i've gained a trained ear. My ear tells me Tarja one of the best voices in any musical area today.
- Any freeware software today can post process and split any sound channel. I can make the cello sound like Bugs Bunny if I want to without touching the others.
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@MrNakhrul All I can say you're perfectly entitled to your opinions. I say she sounds like a mediocre singer and that her mannerism (using strongly aspirated consonants where there are none in real life) is very hard to my ear.
You may want to appereciate the fact that although we as humans can separate a singer from the orchestra in real time, there is no software that could do that once mixed.
If you have one, by all means remove Ms Turunen from this track altogether and replace her:-)
I see you are obsessed with whatever pronounciation issue you found. I don't know finnish but it may well be an artistic choice an nothing more.
Regarding the processing, you state idiocies greater than yourself. You can replace and alter any sound even at a byte level since at least 20 years. There is software and there is hardware for that.
Please don't post here anymore and don't reply to me because I won't return the favor. You make my mind bleed.
@MrNakhrul May I kindly ask why should there ever have been a need for any post-processing of Ms Turunen's voice at all, as you suggested? After all, I suppose she would sing just perfect the first time, this according to yourself as well?
Tarja or her representatives never released a recording of this concert. This recording is from a TV station and the post processing is made by them.
Not always post processing is made to correct a flaw in the voice, it may be normalization, modulation etc.
Also the sound information is converted once when taken from analog to digital format, then again when tranformed to broadcast format. And again when recorded from the TV to the PC and finally compressed by Youtube for storage.
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@MrNakhrul I'm afraid compression schemes will not do anything to a mediocre singing. Mediocre singing will remain mediocre singing. TT has in fact never released a since classical recording. She has in fact never completed her degree in Music and Singing she started. She has not been permanently hired by any musical entity. She does not teach anywhere.
With that and what I can hear (and I don't care if she's been with a band some time or not and why not) she's a totally mediocre singer.
I am sorry man, but you are wrong and get wronger. You are one of those people that even if they are totally out and parralel to a subject, keep pushing and insisting on their ways.
Tarja did finish Sibellus a few years ago. She interrupted it because the toured Germany at that time with Nightwish.
She also graduated the academy at Karlsruhe while she was in Germany.
She does 15-20 classical concerts yearly and will release an album with her parrallel project, Harus.
@MrNakhrul Ms Turunen has never graduated and that is a fact, not an opinion. She began at the Kuopio Department of church music of Sibelius Academy, but did not complete her studies. She has also failed to complete her studies in Karlsruhe, Germany. She does not have any formal degree in Music, despite having tried two times in two different countries. Sorry.
@irenikus777 Yes, but in this live recording there's only one track that we see and that track will contain everything. Therefore we will be unable to separate Ms Turunen from her orchestra, once the recording has taken place.
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@irenikus777 Mind you, in this live concert recording there are no separately recorded channels.
Have you seen how they do it in the studio recordings?The singer sits in a soundtight box with very soundtight massive headphones (so that what he or she hears through the headphones won't be heard over his or her microphone).
In a case where the singer voice leaks into the orchestra's mikes as in here, you won't be able to autotune (=post-adjust voice) as this would also auto-tune your orchestra!
How can u even compare Turunen to Karita Mattila ?
Turunen, surely, have had _some_ training in classical music.. but to say that Turunen is one of the best voices in any musical area today is an absurd statement.
U are comparing her to a best what Opera/Classical has to offer ?
Yes and as I have stated I am listening opera since many years.
Also as I have stated, there are people like you that listen to her and have all kinds of expectations.
The vibrato should be faster; no, slower ; voice should be softer; no, should be stronger; should sing legato; no, should sing staccato; and so on, so on..
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She interprets perfectly the partiture and uses classical technique, but always in her own style. This is what a true artist should do
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@MrNakhrul@MrNakhrul People who have listened to NW (I don't) have reportedly often said Ms Turunen's English singing pronounciation sounded bad. Unfortunately her Finnish singing seems to do the same, and that's even worse I think. I can see you're a Turunen/NW fan(atic). Please remember, however, that other people are entitled to their opinions different and even opposite to your own.
I'll reply this also and am over with this thread.
Even the freedom of speech you misunderstood.
Yes, everybody is entitled to have an oppinnion - as long as it's not ill intentioned, pertinent and not offensive.
Your oppinion is blatantly wrong, it's impertinent and offensive to the artist and people that respect the artist. And i tent to think (like the other guy) that your oppinnion also is ill intentioned, because you keep insisting on it even though nobody agrees with you.
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@irenikus777 Of course you can respect a mediocre artist, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you understand that you just might be blinded by your fanhood.
You on the other hand, can't force other people to like and appreciate an artist they don't like nor appreciate. If you read Finnish like me it's not difficult at all to find people posting on internet fora who share my feelings about Ms Turunen's artistic skills regarding her classical singing. Would you want a reference?
In your country Tarja has been elected time and time again singer of the year, artist of the century, voice of Finland and so on. She does not even live in Finland and has Argentinian nationality, yet she continues to receive those awards.
Of course there are retarded and envious people like you that will always say "black" when the majority says "white" or "no" when the majority says "yes".
Does not make you special, just especially frustrated.
@MrNakhrul You're of course entitled to your opinion. I on the other hand hold that Ms Turunen is just another mediocre classical singer, who has a some serious trouble with her pronounciation and mannerism as well as her voice purity. Had she not gotten famous by happening to having been a former classmate of Mr Holopainen of Nightwish, she would not be worth any mention internationally.
For someone who does not even listen to Nightwish (as you stated), you seem to know a lot of particularities. The band's leaders, relationships, even it's ancient history.
If it was not already obvious, you finally shown your true face and agenda to everybody.
It usually takes more.. either people like you are getting stupidder, or I am getting really good at this :)
@MrNakhrul I use public sources and references. As I said I don't listen to Nigthwish. I do occationally listen to some Finnish heavy rock however (I'm in the ripe old age of 49 btw). The guys of Stam1na are excellent in their musicianship, but I guess there are others as well.
True Mr Nahkrul, I have this "agenda" on mediocre singing by lazy artists. I prefer people who can their work, instead of poor skills & merely showing off.
@MrNakhrul There are some actual people around whose musical world does not revolve around defending a mediocre singer/entertainer. (And I thought you said you was gone some 15 messages ago. Surely a dumbass like me just can't be THAT interesting??)
The same way that you like repeating the word "mediocre" beating off at the idea that I respond because it stirs me, exactly the same pleasure I get screwing with people like you.
You are so lame and predictable that i bet that I can anticipate your replies in at least 70% proportion, literally.
She also did teach (don't know if she still does) : "After the graduation at the Music Academy in Karlsruhe, in January 2004, Tarja had further minitour Noche Escandinava in South America and Romania. She also started to fulfill her pedagogic ambitions and she organized a course for some enthusiastic students of singing in Buenos Aires."
@12321marianne "Teaching" usually means having a position in an institute of learning, and/or having a fixed set of one's own students over a longer period of time.
Here, let me help you with the definition of teaching: "the act or profession of a person who teaches; to impart knowledge or skill; give instruction".
You are not getting anything right today, take your medicine and get some sleep.
I can't seem to post a link here so google "Myrskyluodon Maija" by Lasse Mårtenson and remember to put in "sanat" for lyrics in Finnish. The song is about a fisher couple in the Åland archipelago, and it's from a TV series based on a series of books by Anni Blomqvist.
The volume was small, I thought that she sings some other language, but no, it was a FINNISH! :D Good to me, hah hah hah, what a difficult Finnish language. 8)
@MrsLesleyOlivia No, :P It's just that she works her diaphragm when she sings, so she can deliver her voice correctly, and singing that way requires her to use her stomach to breath properly, that's why her belly looks like that, but it's only air ;)
@HarriMehtala Classical song doesn't want microphone, if performance is in opera house. The acoustics are horrible there on the palace where she sung that song.
@potterclubtv , you know about Philharmonic society or opera in concert??? Look at the orchestra! It behind Tarja. In philarmony or opera in concert all opera singers sing in a microphone!!!
I'm a sworn metalhead, but when it comes to Tarja, I don't care if she sing metal, opera or classical music. She's the goddess, she puts her her heart in every song, no matter what type of music she sings.
@Guilherme7530 The music was composed for a TV series in year '75. It was about the life of a fisherman and his wife living on an islet, "Myrskyluoto" (literally the Storm Islet) in the Finnish archipelago. I don't think anybody has translated the lyrics.
Meu vocabulário é muito pobre para descrever o que sinto quanto ouço a Tarja cantar. Quisera eu ter o dom da palavra, somente um poeta poderia descrever o quão maravilhosa ela é.
When comparing this directly with The Reign (performed at the same festival), her own song loses out entirely. She seems much more connected to the content in this one, much less contrived even her vibrato sounds more real. I wish she'd perform her own songs like this.... but I guess fully classical songs ask for a different type of singing than her own metal/classical mix so maybe I'm being unfair.
It's true. A fully classical piece is so much more vocally demanding, and the amount of dynamic in the voice is so much greater. Rock music calls for more of a belt so the dynamic there is very weak in comparison.
Niin jatkuu tuo yhteinen työ taas, kunnes saapuu tyynenä kesäyö. Yhdestä katseesta mies ymmärtää vaimoaan, kuinka hän pelkää myrskyävää pohjoista selkää, yksin kun jää. Siis tyynnytelkää huomiset veet, haltijat, mies pyyhkii kyyneleet. Oppii luodolla kielen, puhe turhaa on ja lause tarpeeton. Mies aavistaa liikkeet herkän mielen, kun nousee aamu, joka miehen matkaan saa. Katse saattamaan jää, vielä tyyni on sää, vielä tyyni on sää
LYRICS: Meri jäljet lyö luotoon, vaot kallioon ne aalto tehnyt on. Myös myrskysää tarttuu Maijan muotoon, ja Jannen silmiin leudot tuulet kiinni jää. Meren ankara työ heihin merkkinsä lyö, heihin merkkinsä lyö. Oppii luodolla kielen, sanat liikaa ois, ja joutaa lauseet pois. Voi aavistaa vaimo toisen mielen, hän tuntee tuulen, joka miehen matkaan saa. Katsoo hän lähtijää, vielä tyyni on sää, vielä tyyni on sää.
Music doesnt usually need translation, but i want to understand the expressions and use of the music so if anyone has the translation could you inform me please?
Yes, she does a quite soft T when in finnish we usually have very strong T-sound :) But maybe in singing she needs to soften than up OR they use softer T's in karelian dialect. :)
I think Finnish sounds nicer with a soft T.. Finnish is my 3rd language, and I also have a soft T.. And unfortunately a kind of french r that sounds a bit like the Finnish one, but I can't pronounce the real Finnish R :(
OH MY GOD, Those expressions of Tarja from 4:17 till the end of the song!!! I almost cried! Well, I did cry! I am wondering what she thinks at that moment...
She can look so sad and be gorgeous at the same time!
Niin kaunis on tää!!
Allard88 3 months ago
i will give anything to that person who has this concert taped and send it to me. i remember one great duet about a pair in love who were living in different islands not able to be together. i will drown into my tears the day i see that again.
9770187786 4 months ago 2
In order to appreciate and understand Tarja as an artist, someone should listen to her work for at least several years.
She has a too wide range of expression to be understood after superficial audition.
She chose classical and metal - thus, distancing herself from any commercial intent - and still has tremendous success.
The masses crying, cheering and headbanging at her concerts are proof enough that she is beyond extraordinary.
12321marianne 4 months ago
@12321marianne And the enormous masses cheering at Hitler or Stalin were a proof that those men were "beyond extraordinary". Cults and overblown fanhood are both dangerous.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
So did Jesus, Dalai Lama, Che Guevara etc.
Tarja did graduate both universities, it's written on their respective websides in the list of graduates and it's written in any public biography. It's written in many of her former teacher's websites, in public interviews etc.
I understand that tastes are different but denying cold reality is just weird.
12321marianne 4 months ago
@12321marianne Then you will no doubt be able to tell me the date(s) when she has graduated with a degree, and from which musical institution(s)?
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
You are an idiot, the dates are here among dozens of your flames. Or maybe the whole thing is a lie and everybody is consipiring against you. La vida es sueno, as the book says...
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@MrNakhrul So you're saying you can't find the dates and places of Ms Turunen having graduated or having received any Diploma in singing? That's correct -- neither can I. The most logical conclusion here is she really never did graduate nor receive a Diploma. University education is free in this country, and most more basic musical tuition is strongly subsidised or free, so I wonder if she was just not cut for it.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
When did I said that, schyzo? I said it's buried HERE among dozens of your flames. here's one from this page :"After the graduation at the Music Academy in Karlsruhe, in January 2004, Tarja had further minitour Noche Escandinava ...".
Are you sure you're not wearing a white shirt at the moment? One with longs sleeves, that is.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
And yes, if that makes you gay (as in "happy"), I'm off from this page.
Belive it or not i feel remorse for being so aggressive, but you deserve it.
Have a nice life or whatever!
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
i mis her in metal :(
ventanitafeliz 5 months ago
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Plenty of terrible mannerism in pronounciation: "thuuli", "thyyni", "thaas" "tharpeeton" etc, I could take that, but not that mediocre and shallow singing voice with a flat presentation.
itapirkanmaa 5 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
Can't you tell the sound is heavily post-processed? That's why all sound is flat.
I suggest you look for live unprocessed performances of Tarja, she is easily one of the best singers alive at this hour.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago 7
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@MrNakhrul I'm afraid I can't agree with you. A singer recording live with a live orchestra can't be post-processed, as the orchestra would be affected by the singer's processing as well. Ms Turunen is just another mediocre classical singer, and that can't be improved, unfortunately.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
- Mr Turunen is an exceptional classical singer and you are following an agenda. You say you dont like the performance yet you keep visiting this page and posting inflammatory remarks.
- I sang classical 11 years and at least i've gained a trained ear. My ear tells me Tarja one of the best voices in any musical area today.
- Any freeware software today can post process and split any sound channel. I can make the cello sound like Bugs Bunny if I want to without touching the others.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago 11
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@MrNakhrul All I can say you're perfectly entitled to your opinions. I say she sounds like a mediocre singer and that her mannerism (using strongly aspirated consonants where there are none in real life) is very hard to my ear.
You may want to appereciate the fact that although we as humans can separate a singer from the orchestra in real time, there is no software that could do that once mixed.
If you have one, by all means remove Ms Turunen from this track altogether and replace her:-)
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
I see you are obsessed with whatever pronounciation issue you found. I don't know finnish but it may well be an artistic choice an nothing more.
Regarding the processing, you state idiocies greater than yourself. You can replace and alter any sound even at a byte level since at least 20 years. There is software and there is hardware for that.
Please don't post here anymore and don't reply to me because I won't return the favor. You make my mind bleed.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@MrNakhrul May I kindly ask why should there ever have been a need for any post-processing of Ms Turunen's voice at all, as you suggested? After all, I suppose she would sing just perfect the first time, this according to yourself as well?
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
Tarja or her representatives never released a recording of this concert. This recording is from a TV station and the post processing is made by them.
Not always post processing is made to correct a flaw in the voice, it may be normalization, modulation etc.
Also the sound information is converted once when taken from analog to digital format, then again when tranformed to broadcast format. And again when recorded from the TV to the PC and finally compressed by Youtube for storage.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
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@MrNakhrul I'm afraid compression schemes will not do anything to a mediocre singing. Mediocre singing will remain mediocre singing. TT has in fact never released a since classical recording. She has in fact never completed her degree in Music and Singing she started. She has not been permanently hired by any musical entity. She does not teach anywhere.
With that and what I can hear (and I don't care if she's been with a band some time or not and why not) she's a totally mediocre singer.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
I am sorry man, but you are wrong and get wronger. You are one of those people that even if they are totally out and parralel to a subject, keep pushing and insisting on their ways.
Tarja did finish Sibellus a few years ago. She interrupted it because the toured Germany at that time with Nightwish.
She also graduated the academy at Karlsruhe while she was in Germany.
She does 15-20 classical concerts yearly and will release an album with her parrallel project, Harus.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago 3
@MrNakhrul Ms Turunen has never graduated and that is a fact, not an opinion. She began at the Kuopio Department of church music of Sibelius Academy, but did not complete her studies. She has also failed to complete her studies in Karlsruhe, Germany. She does not have any formal degree in Music, despite having tried two times in two different countries. Sorry.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
Generic tools like Audacity can do that. It's even easier when recording proffessionaly.
When recording professionally, EACH sound channel is recorded separately on a track. This way each sound source can be edited separately.
irenikus777 4 months ago
@irenikus777 Yes, but in this live recording there's only one track that we see and that track will contain everything. Therefore we will be unable to separate Ms Turunen from her orchestra, once the recording has taken place.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
False. If the channels are recorded separately, they will be indexed and will have embeded about their channel.
This way an output device like a Creative 5.2 or 7.1 (or a Delta for professionals) card can reproduce each in a separate channel.
PS: even feeds made with amateur cameras are splittable, but it's harder and weaker because the separation must be done manually.
irenikus777 4 months ago 2
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@irenikus777 Mind you, in this live concert recording there are no separately recorded channels.
Have you seen how they do it in the studio recordings?The singer sits in a soundtight box with very soundtight massive headphones (so that what he or she hears through the headphones won't be heard over his or her microphone).
In a case where the singer voice leaks into the orchestra's mikes as in here, you won't be able to autotune (=post-adjust voice) as this would also auto-tune your orchestra!
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
I am sorry but I'll join the list of people not replying to you. We seem to live in parallel worlds.
You are wrong in all you have said but nothing will change your mind about anything.
irenikus777 4 months ago
@MrNakhrul
How can u even compare Turunen to Karita Mattila ?
Turunen, surely, have had _some_ training in classical music.. but to say that Turunen is one of the best voices in any musical area today is an absurd statement.
U are comparing her to a best what Opera/Classical has to offer ?
KuopioKallavesi 2 months ago
@KuopioKallavesi
Yes and as I have stated I am listening opera since many years.
Also as I have stated, there are people like you that listen to her and have all kinds of expectations.
The vibrato should be faster; no, slower ; voice should be softer; no, should be stronger; should sing legato; no, should sing staccato; and so on, so on..
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She interprets perfectly the partiture and uses classical technique, but always in her own style. This is what a true artist should do
->
MrNakhrul 2 months ago 2
@KuopioKallavesi
-> she did not have "some training", she is studying clasical since over 25 years and followed 2 conservatories.
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Strictly as voice quality and timbre she surpasses everyone. Even my point of reference, Maria Callas.
She does not use a technique identical to the one used in opera.. because she does not sing opera.
A performer should adapt his style to the piece performed, not the other way around.
Tarja uses techniques from classical music, blues, rock etc
MrNakhrul 2 months ago 2
@KuopioKallavesi
Anyway, this recording is of a very poor quality and her voice is not captured well.
Here are ones with a better quality, her first performance of Carmen and Rusalka
/watch?v=nJ3h4LerUkE
/watch?v=3chWYFE1YoE
Again adds some subtle things of her own, but It's obvious that she has one of the best voices around.
MrNakhrul 2 months ago 5
@KuopioKallavesi
Heya, here are 2 performances for comparison on Song to the Moon
Here is Matilla /watch?v=MwuNqcKUxto
and here is Netrebko /watch?v=MwuNqcKUxto
Imho she is at least as good in technique and superior overall.
The only plus they have is a little more flow and better pronunciation , having performed this aria hundreds of times.
Tarja is not even knowing the piece by hard, if you watch the video I posted she keeps scanning and searching in the partiture :)
MrNakhrul 2 months ago 3
@itapirkanmaa
All this is irrelevant because this performance is as good as it gets.
The pronounciation is her own artistic choice as she made it numerous times even when in NW, and even with the processing the voice sounds perfect.
If you consider this voice mediocre I honestly think you were born without eardrums and you are born for nothing.
I broke my word and replied, but not anymore. Cheers
MrNakhrul 4 months ago 7
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@MrNakhrul @MrNakhrul People who have listened to NW (I don't) have reportedly often said Ms Turunen's English singing pronounciation sounded bad. Unfortunately her Finnish singing seems to do the same, and that's even worse I think. I can see you're a Turunen/NW fan(atic). Please remember, however, that other people are entitled to their opinions different and even opposite to your own.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
I'll reply this also and am over with this thread.
Even the freedom of speech you misunderstood.
Yes, everybody is entitled to have an oppinnion - as long as it's not ill intentioned, pertinent and not offensive.
Your oppinion is blatantly wrong, it's impertinent and offensive to the artist and people that respect the artist. And i tent to think (like the other guy) that your oppinnion also is ill intentioned, because you keep insisting on it even though nobody agrees with you.
irenikus777 4 months ago
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@irenikus777 Of course you can respect a mediocre artist, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you understand that you just might be blinded by your fanhood.
You on the other hand, can't force other people to like and appreciate an artist they don't like nor appreciate. If you read Finnish like me it's not difficult at all to find people posting on internet fora who share my feelings about Ms Turunen's artistic skills regarding her classical singing. Would you want a reference?
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
In your country Tarja has been elected time and time again singer of the year, artist of the century, voice of Finland and so on. She does not even live in Finland and has Argentinian nationality, yet she continues to receive those awards.
Of course there are retarded and envious people like you that will always say "black" when the majority says "white" or "no" when the majority says "yes".
Does not make you special, just especially frustrated.
irenikus777 4 months ago 6
@itapirkanmaa
The difference between people who know music and people like you is that they can make a difference.
You went inflammatory too early and I had not the chance to explain your problem, musically.
It's simple: you listen classical not by pleasure but to fuel a frustrated part of your subconscius.
Because you can't understand it properly, anything that does not sound identically whith what you are used to, sounds bad.
Its common and happens also for metalheads, rockers, opera people..
MrNakhrul 4 months ago 7
@MrNakhrul You're of course entitled to your opinion. I on the other hand hold that Ms Turunen is just another mediocre classical singer, who has a some serious trouble with her pronounciation and mannerism as well as her voice purity. Had she not gotten famous by happening to having been a former classmate of Mr Holopainen of Nightwish, she would not be worth any mention internationally.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
Well well...
For someone who does not even listen to Nightwish (as you stated), you seem to know a lot of particularities. The band's leaders, relationships, even it's ancient history.
If it was not already obvious, you finally shown your true face and agenda to everybody.
It usually takes more.. either people like you are getting stupidder, or I am getting really good at this :)
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@MrNakhrul I use public sources and references. As I said I don't listen to Nigthwish. I do occationally listen to some Finnish heavy rock however (I'm in the ripe old age of 49 btw). The guys of Stam1na are excellent in their musicianship, but I guess there are others as well.
True Mr Nahkrul, I have this "agenda" on mediocre singing by lazy artists. I prefer people who can their work, instead of poor skills & merely showing off.
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itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
If what you say is true - I tell you from respect to your age - drop it.
Your oppinions are your own but you cannot convince anyone at least not here.
The most you can do is to offend, produce irritation and flames The most I can do is to just do damage in response.
If this is the result you want, go ahead and continue.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@MrNakhrul There are some actual people around whose musical world does not revolve around defending a mediocre singer/entertainer. (And I thought you said you was gone some 15 messages ago. Surely a dumbass like me just can't be THAT interesting??)
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
The same way that you like repeating the word "mediocre" beating off at the idea that I respond because it stirs me, exactly the same pleasure I get screwing with people like you.
You are so lame and predictable that i bet that I can anticipate your replies in at least 70% proportion, literally.
It's my little dirty fetish, what can I do...
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
She also did teach (don't know if she still does) : "After the graduation at the Music Academy in Karlsruhe, in January 2004, Tarja had further minitour Noche Escandinava in South America and Romania. She also started to fulfill her pedagogic ambitions and she organized a course for some enthusiastic students of singing in Buenos Aires."
12321marianne 4 months ago
@12321marianne "Teaching" usually means having a position in an institute of learning, and/or having a fixed set of one's own students over a longer period of time.
itapirkanmaa 4 months ago
@itapirkanmaa
Here, let me help you with the definition of teaching: "the act or profession of a person who teaches; to impart knowledge or skill; give instruction".
You are not getting anything right today, take your medicine and get some sleep.
MrNakhrul 4 months ago
Does anyone have the lyrics to this song? I only seem to find instrumentals and vocalised singing on this one!
EndlessCompassion 5 months ago
I can't seem to post a link here so google "Myrskyluodon Maija" by Lasse Mårtenson and remember to put in "sanat" for lyrics in Finnish. The song is about a fisher couple in the Åland archipelago, and it's from a TV series based on a series of books by Anni Blomqvist.
heidielisabet 5 months ago
@heidielisabet Thanks a lot heidielisabet :)
EndlessCompassion 5 months ago
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Please look at my tribute vid to Tarja!
gnagge91 5 months ago
maravillosa interprete
ANGIEDRUZILA000 6 months ago
The volume was small, I thought that she sings some other language, but no, it was a FINNISH! :D Good to me, hah hah hah, what a difficult Finnish language. 8)
Labratoria 7 months ago
her hair is purple!!!
TheMariko35 8 months ago 2
her hair is purple!!!
TheMariko35 8 months ago
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She may sing good, but she definetly can't articulate, or even get the words right....
Jomppiainen 9 months ago
She is so beautiful and talented. A goddess.
jf1325 10 months ago 3
Tarja, are you pregnant?
I love her so much :)
MrsLesleyOlivia 1 year ago
@MrsLesleyOlivia why do you think she's pregnant?
MyDreamLivesInMe 10 months ago
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@MyDreamLivesInMe Because I see a little belly, but maybe I'm not looking good.
MrsLesleyOlivia 10 months ago
@MrsLesleyOlivia Because I see a little belly, but maybe I'm not looking good.
MrsLesleyOlivia 10 months ago
@MrsLesleyOlivia No, :P It's just that she works her diaphragm when she sings, so she can deliver her voice correctly, and singing that way requires her to use her stomach to breath properly, that's why her belly looks like that, but it's only air ;)
eress4 9 months ago
tämä kappale ei oikeastaan sanoitusta kaipaa, mutta tarja tulkitsee hyvin kauniisti. harvoin tällaista ääntä kuulee mainstream musiikissa
haisenpahalle 1 year ago
Amazing
rbaygulin 1 year ago 2
Magnificent. Really magnificent.
TheDaysofgrayspaulom 1 year ago 3
beautiful smile :D
TheDarkiana 1 year ago
i love this woman!!!!
mafiacozma 1 year ago 3
Hmmmm.... I wish Sissel Kyrkjebø could sing this once. :) In Swedish of course.
Soyalecitin 1 year ago
Ganz einfach; Ein tolles Lied; Frau Turunen kommt 4te November nach Stuttgart..
Muss sehen..diesen tolles Artist.
mfg-harry
kharrif2 1 year ago
As a bourne finnish-swedish I just love this song, this performance, the atmosphere.
Just simply a masterpiece.
Living in Germany(Berlin) I miss so much the Scandinavian Archipelago.
kharrif2 1 year ago
I guess classical music and dynamic microphones just don't mix well. She could have sung without one.
Her voice is so weak here, I'm not completely satisfied with this particular performance.
HarriMehtala 1 year ago
@HarriMehtala Classical song doesn't want microphone, if performance is in opera house. The acoustics are horrible there on the palace where she sung that song.
potterclubtv 1 year ago
@potterclubtv , you know about Philharmonic society or opera in concert??? Look at the orchestra! It behind Tarja. In philarmony or opera in concert all opera singers sing in a microphone!!!
Obuhova2 1 year ago
@Obuhova2 I absolutely agree with you, but some people doesn't think so :D
potterclubtv 1 year ago
@potterclubtv, sorry, i has't seen, that you addressed to HarriMehtala :)
Obuhova2 1 year ago
@Obuhova2 It's Okay :) I love Tarja <3 do you? <3
potterclubtv 1 year ago
@potterclubtv I love Tarja very much!
Obuhova2 1 year ago 2
Tää ei nyt vaan oikein toimi..
RusiTonkkari77 1 year ago
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Tarja raped this song... It's a shame that so talented orchestra agreed to this sacrilege.
EkaVekaranro1 1 year ago
@EkaVekaranro1
Bullshit.
berry0201 1 year ago
I'm a sworn metalhead, but when it comes to Tarja, I don't care if she sing metal, opera or classical music. She's the goddess, she puts her her heart in every song, no matter what type of music she sings.
DeadSleepingSun 1 year ago 11
Why does she pronounce Finnish, her native language, with an English accent? :/
youkahainen 1 year ago
@youkahainen Where exactly do you hear an English accent??
kikigi78 1 year ago
@kikigi78 Mostly in the way she pronounces her tees and kays.
youkahainen 1 year ago
Liian makea!!! Yök!
gerheri 1 year ago
The original song was composed by Lasse Mårtenson in 1975. The song is called " Myrskyluodon Maija "
Tarja's performance is unparalleled.
Sorry.. Google translator...
MrMika016 1 year ago
The original song was composed by Lasse Mårtenson in 1975. The song is called "Myrskyluodon Maija"
Tarja's performance is unparalleled.
Sorry.. Google translator...
MrMika016 1 year ago
Does anyone know what is this song about?
Alguém sabe sobre o que é essa música?
Guilherme7530 1 year ago
@Guilherme7530 The music was composed for a TV series in year '75. It was about the life of a fisherman and his wife living on an islet, "Myrskyluoto" (literally the Storm Islet) in the Finnish archipelago. I don't think anybody has translated the lyrics.
youkahainen 1 year ago
@youkahainen Oh, thankyou very much for the info!
Guilherme7530 1 year ago
beautiful woman , beautiful voice she is my queen always my queen :)
LONG LIVE TARJA TURUNEN!!!!!!!!!
Miriamnorum 1 year ago 6
Perfect!
methodmanwien 1 year ago
Meu vocabulário é muito pobre para descrever o que sinto quanto ouço a Tarja cantar. Quisera eu ter o dom da palavra, somente um poeta poderia descrever o quão maravilhosa ela é.
Paulo
PaulXBR 1 year ago
"Puhe turhaa on, ja lause tarpeeton." Kaunista, mahtavaa.
AntsaTere 1 year ago
Love her dress
k88098 1 year ago
Vc me inspira sempre minha querida!.............<3
tadeu33 1 year ago
i love her
tarjaundomiel 1 year ago
Tarja ole merikalaa nähnytkään!
(=välikevennys.)
Losrandiro 2 years ago
To say that this sounds beautiful would be an absolute understatement. Simply flawless!
GripMeetalTV 2 years ago 10
@GripMeetalTV you´re so right, it´s much more than beuatiful... I´m speechless
WhiteNightFantasy178 2 years ago 3
I love her facial expressions at the end! She is a beautiful artist with an extraordinary voice! We love you Tarja!!
Chickibabe247 2 years ago 5
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I can see her legs!!! O.O
gomapapel 2 years ago
When comparing this directly with The Reign (performed at the same festival), her own song loses out entirely. She seems much more connected to the content in this one, much less contrived even her vibrato sounds more real. I wish she'd perform her own songs like this.... but I guess fully classical songs ask for a different type of singing than her own metal/classical mix so maybe I'm being unfair.
In any case: great performance!
crimsonsmirk 2 years ago 5
@crimsonsmirk It may be easier for her too as it's in Finnish.
FearOfTheChosen 2 years ago
@crimsonsmirk i think this i a matter of taste...i, personally, like more the reign than this one..
diana17rock 2 years ago
It's true. A fully classical piece is so much more vocally demanding, and the amount of dynamic in the voice is so much greater. Rock music calls for more of a belt so the dynamic there is very weak in comparison.
Sn0wboi 2 years ago 4
when was this? :) it's great!
beautifulbeaarthur1 2 years ago
es la mujer mas hermosa del mundo
zouldark1 2 years ago
she's gorgeous and so is this song *.*
LOVE this woman so much! My only angel of music Tarja Turunen <3
StrawberryMartaChoco 2 years ago 5
lehcaradaa 2 years ago 2
Kun saapuu taas saaliineen hän,
on kuin mies naistaan tuntisi enemmän.
Rannalle suurimmat siioistansa tuo huutaen:
Eivät ne karkaa, suomusta nuo!
Katsetta arkaa vaimoon hän luo,
karkeaa sarkaa kosketellen
kertoo mies terveiset myrskyjen.
lehcaradaa 2 years ago 2
lehcaradaa 2 years ago 3
Tarja Turunen te amo
eres la #1
TheGothicPrincess1 2 years ago
Tarja <3 I am in love of this woman. Beautiful =)
kokenov 2 years ago 3
Does anyone have the words to this beautiful song? [In Finnnish]
If so, please do share them.
Muchas gracias. :)
RememberxAugust 2 years ago 3
Beautiful voice ... :') Tarja I love you ... You're awsome !
Dorianedrums 2 years ago 61
It's OPERA, get over it.
tanker252003 2 years ago 6
I think a sybelius lied
liricobarroco 2 years ago
Romingwitherness doesn't his or her ass from the ground when it comes to music.
tanker252003 2 years ago
He or she doesn't know his or her ass from a whole in the ground about music.
tanker252003 2 years ago
what the Hell are yu on with???????
MegerHexer 2 years ago
It's a bit different between singing opera and being a soprano (which Tarja is)...look it up ;P
MetallicChick2010 2 years ago 4
TARJA!!!! more opera & less metal !!!
ya know !! more PURE OPERATIC METAL !!
anasali07 2 years ago 8
It's funny to think the woman who has us all head banging to metal, can also perform classical brilliantly. She has so much talent, Amazing!!!
community647 2 years ago 87
an angel
process62 2 years ago 8
MMMMM!! She is an operatic hunni!!
dawnrazor7 2 years ago 3
The best!!!!!
Azumilu 2 years ago 7
All those douchebags that think Tarja isn't an opera singer need to see this.
tanker252003 2 years ago 10
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Hahahaha what are you talking about this isn't opera. It's no where near opera...the tones are too low.
Romingwitherness 2 years ago
omg.
my sweet tarja.
i love her so much. :D
NightwishSteffi15 2 years ago 8
So beautiful...
AedeusLeonora 2 years ago 6
Тарья супер!!))))))
LenaSilaeva 2 years ago 3
I love her!
Julia8436 2 years ago 5
when was this??????it´s beutifull
2amelle9 2 years ago 3
29th August, Sweden. Baltic Sea Festival - Gala Concert :)
LadyRoseDepp 2 years ago
So beautiful!!!
jobikr 2 years ago
Beautiful.
Music doesnt usually need translation, but i want to understand the expressions and use of the music so if anyone has the translation could you inform me please?
dnanything 2 years ago 2
it's so strange that Tarja is pronouncing T-letter with "Swedish accent" :D It's sounds strange.
But this is so beautiful song and her voice is stunning <3
Jenskyn 2 years ago
Does she? I don't hear the difference.. I think that's also my t.. :P
Allard88 2 years ago
Yes, she does a quite soft T when in finnish we usually have very strong T-sound :) But maybe in singing she needs to soften than up OR they use softer T's in karelian dialect. :)
Jenskyn 2 years ago
I think Finnish sounds nicer with a soft T.. Finnish is my 3rd language, and I also have a soft T.. And unfortunately a kind of french r that sounds a bit like the Finnish one, but I can't pronounce the real Finnish R :(
Allard88 2 years ago
was 2:17-2:19 censored? :)
jdnajes 2 years ago
tarja you are the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^.- foreverrrrrrrrrrr and everrrrrrrrrrr
EddyDeepSilentNight 2 years ago 4
4:43 that smile is the cutest smile ive ever seen! =) i love her so much!!
OceansoulofDestiny 2 years ago 7
OH MY GOD, Those expressions of Tarja from 4:17 till the end of the song!!! I almost cried! Well, I did cry! I am wondering what she thinks at that moment...
She can look so sad and be gorgeous at the same time!
LoveTarja1986 2 years ago 9
unbelieveable<3makes my cry
muxtii 2 years ago 4
Wow.
that was just beautiful.
LaraEmEx 2 years ago 7
It is increasingly beautiful, or is it my imagination?
tarja up!!!!!!
beautiful interpretation, as always the number one!!!!
VAMPMEROT 2 years ago 11
Beautiful. She sings so wonderfully and I gotta love her facial expressions too. She definitely puts a lot of her heart and soul into this. :)
Digifreakonaleash 2 years ago 11
Finnish songs are really beautiful, specially when Tarja sings ^^
Does anyone have the lyrics and/or translation?
huntress234 2 years ago 2
Translation lyrics:
Maija of the stormy islet
The sea strikes its marks on the islet,
the wave has made its cuts on the rock.
The stormy weather catches Maija's form,
and the gentle winds are caught in Janne's eyes.
The harsh work of the sea strikes its mark on them
its mark on them.
Feanor2345 2 years ago 2
One learns the language on the islet,
words would be too much and there's no need for sentences.
The wife can guess the other one's mind,
she knows the wind that makes her man depart
She looks at the leaver, the weather's still serene
the weather's still serene
Feanor2345 2 years ago 2
When he returns with his prey
it's like the man knows his woman better.
Brings the biggest whitefish to shore with a shout:
"They won't flee, scale these!"
A shy look he gives his wife
touching the rough cloth
he tells the greetings of the surge
Feanor2345 2 years ago 2
So continues the joined work
again, until the serene summer night arrives
From one look the man understands his wife,
how she fears the churning
northern open sea, when she's left alone
"So calm the waters of tomorrow,
fairies", he wipes her tears
Feanor2345 2 years ago
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One learns the language on the islet,
words would be too much and there's no need for sentences.
Man sees the moves a tender mind,
when the morning rises that makes him depart.
A glance accompanies him, the weather's still serene
the weather's still serene
Feanor2345 2 years ago
Es increible esta mujer!!!! Tan hermosa como talentosa!!! Me emociono mucho!!! Me hizo llorar... Turunen te amoooo!!! Gracias por el video!!!!
sailorevanadaia 2 years ago 3
I would have died if I have watched this on TV. I would have screamed and cried the whole performance.
VictoriaSJ 2 years ago 4
awesome! xD
Love it!! <33
AngelDisguise09 2 years ago 3
Wonderful performances. I wish i had been there.
ADyingFaith 2 years ago 3
She looks gorgeous. I love the ending when the camera focuses her beautiful face.
alejonightwish 2 years ago 4
Beautiful Song.....
Amazing......
ingrid25NT 2 years ago 4
Beautiful song! And of course, great interpretation!
tapeefan 2 years ago 6
Brillant Amazing!!!! Peformance!!!! She looks beautiful! love tarja sooooo much! <3 number one fan!!!!
xwinterstormx 2 years ago 6
Beautiful song....
Legume666 2 years ago 3