That Vaillant quote isn't even about AA! He was referring to a study of detox patients from a specific clinic-part of a larger longitudinal study of alcoholism spanning 50 years. He spent decades studying the lives of 100s of alcoholics.
After all that work, here's what Vaillant said: "40 percent of all recovery has probably occurred through AA."
He spent decades studying life histories of 100s of alcoholics, who were carefully observed for 50 years.
AA is for sissy quitters that let booze get outta hand but ohhh the babes
I used to go to the meetings to get chicks
Id sit next to the hottest one and whisper as I ran my hand up her thigh "Wanna go for a couple drinks later?"
Then Id let them get nice and tanked on my nickel cause we all know the chicks in AA are there cause they cant keep their legs closed when they get piss drunk
Hell most women turn whore when drunk but the babes in AA are crazy wild on the demon liquor
Another point: since it is a free program, any statistic is totally meaningless. First, since it is free, there will be lots of people who aren't serious about rehab or recovery and so of course they "fail". Secondly, no one tracks this stuff so no one knows. Finally I believe court-ordered AA is totally wrong as AA is supposed to be voluntary and anonymous.
In his will, Bill Wilson assigned a percentage of his worth (accomplished through monetary gifts from Alcoholics Anonymous) to his mistress, Helen. This meant his widow, Lois Wilson, was forced to forever be connected to a woman whom she likely despised. And Lois Wilson lived on for many, many, years...
Bill Wilson had a mistress all his life. His biology of man is patent Manichaenism, i.e., heresy, no less a sin than drunkenness. Thought LSD was therapeutic for alcoholics, gallivanted with his buddy Aldous Huxley around the Southwest US, in their "Brave New World" of soma, on peyote and mushrooms. Machiavelli claimed "Fraud is praiseworthy in a time of war." This is why governments court order people to 12 step groups, not because they believe alcoholism is a disease. AA is a font of lies.
AA is not a treatment program. AA is a mutual support group. It is a path to follow for those who want to follow it. Court-ordered AA fails because AA cannot be forced, you have to want it. Forcing it can make it fail IMHO.
If you took a sample of people who wanted to go to AA and follow that path, I'm sure you'd see a significant success rate. Include the people who are court-ordered and otherwise don't want to be there, then of course most of them fail.
@raysny It's an anonymous program, so I don't know where you get those statistics, but I know for a fact that it works for many people I personally know. They aren't statistics, they are living, breathing people with families who thank God for bringing their loved ones back from the brink. Even if it did only work for 5%, that's 5% who are clean and sober today who might otherwise be dead. Neither I, or anyone, has ever claimed AA works for everyone. "Save one life, you save the world entire."
@tomviolin A 5% success rate is the same as no treatment at all, and that doesn't take in AA's higher mortality rate. George Vaillant, former Harvard professor, researcher, and AA trustee set out to prove that AA works, instead he found, "Not only had we failed to alter the natural history of alcoholism, but our death rate of three percent a year was appalling."
I am a drunk and it helps me to go to AA. I am okay too with people who are against it. If I have learnt anything from AA its to allow those people who don't agree with me to have their opinion. My opinion is not their truth, theirs is not mine. Keeping it simple works for me. I am grateful to those American men who pioneered this 12step program so I can get sober in Cape Town. It works for me.
@TheBighead122 Hi. I was sad to read your comment about not thinking the video was funny. I'm almost 10 years in AA and thought it was hilarious! My suggestion is you read up on Rule 62.... YIF
@mrdubcrazy As for the term "clean": I believe the term "addiction" implies a suboptimal state that one would find beneficial to get out of, hence the use of a positive term like "clean" to describe the state of not "addicted". If in fact one is not in a state from which getting "clean" is desired, then maybe "addiction" is the wrong term to apply to that state. "Addicted", just like "dirty", is a state of being, not a fundamental descriptor of who a person is - and subjective at that.
@mrdubcrazy All I know is that I personally know several people for whom AA was a great help and it enriched their lives. I just don't understand why some people are so bent on attacking that. I don't believe that AA is for everyone. I believe it should stay voluntary and anonymous. And I am skeptical that firm statistics exist for an anonymous program.
Bottom line: If AA, or Al-Anon, or whatever, works for you, great. If it doesn't, try something else! 12-step programs really do work for some people, and they clearly don't work for others. Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all? "Oh, look, I'm wearing a striped shirt and you're wearing a solid color! Let's start fighting about it!" Come on. We're all in recovery, from something. concentrate on that, and quit wasting your energy.
@tomviolin Thank you for your note on AA. It really does work for some and not for others, I struggle with just wanting to be normal and not admit I have a problem, but clearly, I do, and I say if anyone thinks they may, watch Father Martin on Youtube and maybe they may decided to stop trashing things that work for some. Amen.
@tomviolin Thank you for your note on AA. It really does work for some and not for others, I struggle with just wanting to be normal and not admit I have a problem, but clearly, I do, and I say if anyone thinks they may, watch Father Martin on Youtube and maybe they may decided to stop trashing things that work for some. Amen.
@tomviolin,Hi,are you an alcoholic? i believe that i am,as im typing this im drinking a vodka,seriosly im not joking,im from Ireland but live in Germany and i not speak the language enough to understand the help that they offer here,i am lost!
@tomviolin You 're wearing a striped shirt??? Where did you know I have a solid coloured one?? Bring it on you striped doublecrosser! We know your kind!
@tomviolin AA & NA doesn't work any better than 'not' going to AA or NA The same percentage of people get clean & stay clean (i hate that word 'clean', implies addicts are dirty) as go to AA/NA as don't go to any treatment at all. I think you'll find that infact the 12 step treatment model is more harmful than beneficial and keeps addicts from empowering themselves and creates dependence on meetings and sponsors. I whole-heartedly believe in keeping religion out of drug & alcohol treatment.
But it will never stop. It's these divisions which unfortunately almost hallmark us and people seem to like the arguing. I think there are "sides" because we're encouraged to be competitive and beat our opponents, or at least argue our point. Being tolerant, or even just having an open mind are states many of us reach only with age, and some people never get even there.
The reason is that AA doesn't work, the success rate is the same as for those who receive no treatment at all and has a higher mortality rate. Over 60% of all newcomers are forced to attend an ineffective, sometimes abusive program. Many of us left with a bad taste in our mouths. If AA hadn't pushed the courts into sending sending people to the program, there wouldn't be so many of us around today.
@tomviolin is not about opinion, is about understanding if AA is a good thing for people or not. As I see AA is a cult who dont help people, only makes them weaker, makes them feel gulty and think that their main problem is alcohol instead of being just a consecuence of other things, the things thay really need to be attended.
@tomviolin "Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all?" Because heresy, lying, and adultery are sins too, which the co-founder of AA Bill Wilson never dealt with in his own life. Refer to comment below.
Chapter 4 of the Big Book (no it's NOT buried in an appendix, it is front and center!) is titled "We Agnostics." Quote: "To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic... at least half our original fellowship were of exactly that type."
There are healthy groups and unhealthy groups. You found some unhealthy ones. AA control freaks need to go to Al-Anon, and get over it. There are healthy groups out there- I urge you to look for them.
@tomviolin WHY IS IT BLAMEDENIAL BLAME BOYS keep blocking me from their channel..will you start a campaign for mike and dave or whoever to let me back... makes me want to jerk off in womens mtgs again in the mens bathroom
AA is not religious, although some of the people within AA are. It is designed to avoid dogma, I would oppose those who try to import it. Thousands of human lives are saved by this spiritual program. Sponsorship is leading by good example, control freaks all find the program to hard to manipulate, and leave.
AA is not religious, although some of the people within aa are. It is designed to avoid dogma, I would oppose those who try to import it. Thousands of human lives are saved by this spiritual program. Sponsorship is leading by good example, control freaks all find the program to hard to manipulate, and leave.
I have been in the program for two and a half months and have not drank or drugged since then. I was skeptical at first because I heard about the whole cult thing. I don't see anything like that going on. I see good honest humble people changing their lives for better and helping others in the process. I'm glad I did'nt listen to the haters and I tried something new and different. Haters start your own group Haters anonymous. I'll stick with a reputable program that keeps millions sober.
@riggsefex You haven't been involved long enough. Watch how in time as you become familiar with members and hear them share their stories, you will notice a familiar pattern. Self loathing and lack of attention to their triggers that make a person want to drink. You will see that most will continue to run in circles rather than take actual measures to change their behavior.
Hahahaha! He says, "Good!" I love AA. I found this funny because there are certainly moments when someone's rambling on and you wanna say what this guy says.
Fuck AA fuck NA any group therapy, fuck rehab fuck cops and most of all.. FUCK U , NO ONE WANA HEAR PEOPLE BITCH N MOAN ABOUT HOW BAD THEY HAD IT!!! FUCK ALL THE GROUPS
i went to AA once...it was great...i felt great being there. i felt like i was giving myself a chance.....for those of you who haven't gone, you'll find it comforting in a way. just give yourselves an oportunity
No, I believe in moderation. I went through a period of abstinance, rehabs 12 step, 3 years of it. Got sick of the repetitive nature and with my life being centered around something I don't do. Went back to using, went a bit crazy, but eventually got used to understanding "right time, right place, right amount" and with personal goals like a job and an education, have broken the cycle of self sabotage. Growth is more important than sobriety, AA values time sober over becoming a quality human
You had 7 years before, YOU not AA. If you want to stop, stop. You did 7 years without stepwork? What more proof do you need? The power is yours, if you are sober, it is because you want to be, if you drink it is because you choose to. If you want a support group, seek one out, but don't for a minute think they will save you, only you can do that. I believe you can.
@TheSlydawg11 Just remember not to let feelings of resentment make you "drink at them." If you drink, do it to relax, moderately, and for your edification and uplifting, not to smother feelings or escape. Stay sane, the world wants you crazy.
I got fired by my sponsor 3 weeks ago as well. Congrats on your 7 years dawg. Don't let this slip-up keep you away from AA forever. Alcoholics drink alcohol. Relapse happens to a lot of us. You have 2 choices: 1)drink 2)try again....don't listen to the people that tell you AA doesn't work because you drank. People that call AA a "cult" are either 1)non-alcoholics, 2)dry-drunks, 3)wet-drunks in denial
buddhascribe- don't indoctrinate other people with your biased view..."Don't let AA make you sick" - LOL "Choose to take your own destiny in your hands and get better"- LOL. One of two things are going to happen to a REAL alcoholic: 1)stop drinking because they've lost everything, including health, or 2)stop drinking because they have a spiritual life with a support system(AA)...People who are ACTUAL alcoholics don't quit because they out-thought their addiction. LOL. Get a clue...
@syntaxburn so the only difference between an alcoholic and one who isnt is that an alchoholic needs a support group but everyone else who quits on their own just didn't have a problem in the first place?
What is the point in AA if you replace all your spare time drinking and self-loathing, with time talking about god and self-loathing? AA is a cult, no wonder alcoholism is a problem at all if that "therapy" that is such a popular and often court-mandated "treatment".
It's unscientific and undermines our human right to decide our own beliefs.
@Treblaine I agree that it is just as unhealthy to replace your spare time talking about things that don't exist and living in the past. All they do is talk about all of the character defects they have and how they have to "turn it over to god." I have to go to AA because I'm on diversion, but oncce I sat and counted how many times "god" was mentioned in this "non-religious program" and I got up to 40 or so. It's a bunch of bull shit.
Is this AA in England? In my area we share in a general way, and avoid the cross talk. Of course, it's only a television representation for furthering the scene.
Both my parents were alcoholics and they both died from it. I understand about addiction but I will never understand how a parent can neglect their children in favour of a "Jack Daniels". I have two children and I just cant comprehend the way of life that an alcoholic lives.
Thank you for being able to be honest about this. Some people here think they have all the answer before experience the different views and studies that shows that this is a serious illness, disease or what every you like to call it. God Bless
You are welcome and I do think there are lots of different 'reasons' behind every kind of addiction but I'm afraid I don't believe in 'crutches' but I guess I am and will always remain biased because of what I saw as a child and what I still go through as an adult, chasing away the demons if you will.
When it all boils down to it though I remain steadfast in my conviction that if you love your babies enough then you can conquer any addiction.
well cheersandbooze4u just your name on Utube is working against you. I can help you, I really can ,, I am Recovered a father of 7 and 5 never saw me drink. I can take you through the BOOK page by page and step by step if you want it . It will awaken your Spirit so you can see the truth.Alcohol is but a symptom the problem on page 23 says It is centered in the mind. Let me know if you want help
I'm an alcoholic with 103 days sober and I have a terrible urge to drink. My sponsor just fired me, because I don't want to take his direction and I've been looking at the latest ads for jack Daniel's, Vodka, and have obsessed over a 30 pack of beer and wonder if they sell them by the bottle. I can't seem to "give it up to God."
I was just e-mailed by my ex-sponsor who dropped me when I told him I was quitting NA (well, duh) that he is quitting NA now after 12 years clean. I have no idea why or what's going on but all I can say is I wish him good luck...
Incidentally, I'm writing a book based on "experiences, strength and hope" that have nothing to do with AA or NA or any A. Good luck with your recovery and I would never tell you to "f" yourself. For a supposedly serene person from a serene program, you're awfully angry... just an observation, of course. :)
AA is for weak fucks who can't make the decision to quit..they need the group of loser feins to help them hahahahaha sick fucks...i have had 16months of living a productive healthy life without aa finally...and have been to treatment 17 times since 04 and never could get past a month post tx...hmmmmm????
Addiction can be a fatal illness, and it's not always about "choice". I see what "sean" was saying about cancer. It a means to a cure. Perhaps the cancer reference was a bit much, but see where they were going with it. It has nothing to do with being "man enough to admit" that one has an addiction problem. In fact it's apparent to me that you're a bit judgmental and misogynistic in your statements. What a pity.
Judgmental and misogynistic? LOL... Wow... what a moron. OK, I'll change it to: "if you're man (or woman) enough to admit it". Does that make it better?
There is no scientific evidence to support your factoid that "addiction is a fatal illness". None. Zero.
Here are the facts:
With AA, people quit 5% of the time.
Without AA, people quit 5% of the time.
I'll stay home and do something useful with my life rather than sit around and whine about the problems that I created.
Addiction is NOT a disease or illness. To keep purporting this is both offensive and dangerous. It's offensive to those people with, ya know, actual fatal diseases that they have no control over. And it is dangerous because it allows addicts to continue sloughing off their actions & chronic relapses, etc. by not taking responsibility for their behaviour.
Addiction is a behavioural disorder. Taking a drug is a CHOICE. No matter how impulsive/flawed that choice may be.
The biological phenomenon in which you are speaking of is withdrawal and it still doesn't mean you have a disease. Im an ex IV heroin user and have experienced the pain of both physical and mental w/ds many times. Just because your body is acclimated to a substance and craves it does not make you diseased. That's ludicrous. Yes, after you are addicted to a substance, your behaviour becomes more irrational and compulsive, but these are still choices. It's simply a disorder of compulsion.
If you really believe that then you have need experienced addiction and never read the information easily from on the internet. BTW if taking drugs in the end of my addiction was a choice then OCD is a choice read the info on the video on my front page. If you choice not to read and see then don't spread this uneducated information
I do appreciate you maligning my intelligence and ability to use the internet! However, I have read scientific journals, books, articles, and done research in many a psych course. Just because my statements do not align with your beliefs does not make it misinformation. You say on your profile that you "read as much research of addiction being a disease". That's very myopic, one sided "research". Read of addiction as a whole, though it is at odds with your beliefs as 12 step programme member.
As I stated below I am an ex IV heroin user. I'm also diagnosed with OCD. Both are similar because they are disorders characterized by obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviours. A behaviour always involves choice, despite the presence of an affliction/disorder/chemical imbalance, etc. Though it is difficult to abstain when craving (especially during withdrawals) it IS possible. Though I disagree with AA, everyday a person decides to attend a meeting for the first time. That's a choice.
like with your OCD you made a choice to get treatment. Right? No difference. When I was using a didn't believe I had a choice. I knew that the more I tried to just stop the worest it got. I tried for years to get clean. How do you explain that one?
In your case (mine too) you tried to stop for years. It was too difficult. The cravings are overwhelming. But you and I obviously got the help to quit. It wasn't easy but it helped us quit. I hate to sound like a broken record, but if you quit then you did make a choice to stop the addictive behaviour at some point. If you keep telling people they have an incurable disease and no will power, they eventually believe it. That's why I got out of NA. It's not just demeaning, it's also NOT true.
Your OCD analogy is a bit off mark. No one chooses to have instrusive thoughts, no, but you can cease obsessive behaviour with therapy and meds. Unlike OCD an addiction begins when you make the choice to put the drug into your system and habitually give into cravings, but you can stop in a similar fashion by choosing to seek help or stop. My point is that people with a true disease do not have the luxury of choice.
The studies being done right now links OCD and addiction to the same part of the brain. I didn't say that OCD and addiction are the same just like any other disease. The point of the treating it as a disease is to get the level of serious and medical attention to help stop this how ever you get into this mess it still is a behavor disease and the way to correct it is to treat as a disease.
I'd like to say my main beef lies in claiming addiction is a 'disease'. The medical and scientific community have specific guidelines as to what qualifies as a disease. As a behavioral disorder you have the choice to stop. I wasn't meaning "just stop!" because it is extremely difficult. But when you enter therapy, maintenance, AA, etc. you are exercising your will power and ability to choose to get help to stop. With, say, Lupus, you can't just pick up one day, go to therapy and stop your Lupus.
The medical community should recognize addiction as a serious behavioural disorder. Like any other psychological disorder; depression, bipolar, anxiety, OCD. That "d" in OCD stands for disorder, not disease. It is similar to addiction, which, yes! Is a disorder. New medications, support groups and therapeutic techniques are being developed to help those with an addiction. I do a combination of suboxone maintenance, CBT and RT groups. I just wish more addicts knew they had other options than AA.
What the AMA and CMA have come out with in the last few months is declaring that they are going to treat it like a disease. I think for treatment purpuses it needs to treated more than a disorder. Because of all the areas it effects in a person's life. I do understand that they are different systems of getting clean. I do believe that your views of being powerless and having a disease is blured. Think about this being powerless over people places and suituation. Tells us that we sometimes are...
not ablr to control the outcome or with people change there minds. I see alot of people coming in to just fit their families. Not thinking about all the other areas of their life that is completely unmangeable. The first steps is only there to help you see though to what is really important. Getting clean and finding out why you were using. The other thing is everyone putting the black cloud over having a disease. Everyone likes to put this death sentance on it and it isn't that at all.
I would have liked to touch on the neuropsychological effects of drug use because I feel like someone might use that to shoehorn addiction into the disease model. However this is getting long and comments are a shite way to communicate. I don't appreciate your 'spreading "uneducated information"' remark, but that's your opinion. As an ex NA attendee my intentions are to inform people that what they hear in 12 step programmes is not always true and that there are many other ways to get help.
I agree that not all the info I agree with but the manner that I got clean I don't have to and that isn't what I learned and that isn't what I teach nor my sponcer line which is pretty big
These programs don't kill your friends or family. your friends and family do that themselves..and before you get really angry,I've buried 4 good friends and a grandfather to this disease. All tried A.A and all thought they didn't need it and left. Which was thier right. No one poured the alcohol down thier throats but themselves.All thier friends are still sober...thier also still in the meetings..You don't have to be brilliant to see that it works it you work it..
AA is a dangerous cult. People attend AA who should be getting professional help - but professionals find that the AA hierarchy oppose science, because it is all based on God anyway, thus it's a cult.
I've seen people being "advised" to stop medication given by a doctor, "advised" to split from loVed ones who are not "on the programme". It has lowest success rate for "treating alcoholism" of all self-help groups & I've lost 3 close family to this nuthouse. It's not a disease, it's an addiction
fuck aa you might as well go to church, the serenety prayer begins with god, but they want you to go with your higher power, give me a beak, who cares what you did yesterday, what are you going to do today, tomorrow is not guaranteed, damn the past get over it, i don't care what you lost, houses, cars( if you lost a loved one i'm sorry), you got your health, screw these meetings, go to church, there is always free coffee there afterwards.
AA worked for me for a month until i slipped last Wednesday. Im more determined after confirming to myself it is a real shitty habit, and i didnt enjoy it as much as i thought i would. I think , I finally got the thought of the possibility of enjoying a binge "once in a while" totally out of my head.
Two evenings ago, i left out A model farm machinery in my garden......which was spat upon directly by my polish neighbour upstairs. I brewed with rage for 2 nights......
finaly, i confronted my neighbours, and got a helf apology.
Then i went out and bought them a bottle of wine.
I was welcomed into their flat, and we had a great chat, dispite the girlfriend's boyfriends lack of english.
Believe me. I've been in the program for almost 13 years and it does happen. Sometimes you get some interesting meetings. Chairperson's responsibilty to keep things in order.
yes i agree with you. it does happen. that people deserve much better than to be sucked - at their darkest moment - into a sick cult. you fuckers. you killed my friend. and now you sit there and frown and shake your heads and say 'if only he'd follow our program'. you are sick. fuck you
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A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.
208xomekxujek593 1 month ago
Wow, people really like to make long comments on this channel. Must be a British thing?
IQuitTheBand1 3 months ago
That Vaillant quote isn't even about AA! He was referring to a study of detox patients from a specific clinic-part of a larger longitudinal study of alcoholism spanning 50 years. He spent decades studying the lives of 100s of alcoholics.
After all that work, here's what Vaillant said: "40 percent of all recovery has probably occurred through AA."
He spent decades studying life histories of 100s of alcoholics, who were carefully observed for 50 years.
But somehow you, @raysny, know better.
tomviolin 4 months ago
AA is for sissy quitters that let booze get outta hand but ohhh the babes
I used to go to the meetings to get chicks
Id sit next to the hottest one and whisper as I ran my hand up her thigh "Wanna go for a couple drinks later?"
Then Id let them get nice and tanked on my nickel cause we all know the chicks in AA are there cause they cant keep their legs closed when they get piss drunk
Hell most women turn whore when drunk but the babes in AA are crazy wild on the demon liquor
CHEERS !!
TheCauzeOfWetPantiez 5 months ago
Another point: since it is a free program, any statistic is totally meaningless. First, since it is free, there will be lots of people who aren't serious about rehab or recovery and so of course they "fail". Secondly, no one tracks this stuff so no one knows. Finally I believe court-ordered AA is totally wrong as AA is supposed to be voluntary and anonymous.
tomviolin 5 months ago
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dmeskouris 8 months ago
"We must always maintain personal anonymouty at the level of press, radio and films..."
rextar23 8 months ago
In his will, Bill Wilson assigned a percentage of his worth (accomplished through monetary gifts from Alcoholics Anonymous) to his mistress, Helen. This meant his widow, Lois Wilson, was forced to forever be connected to a woman whom she likely despised. And Lois Wilson lived on for many, many, years...
0ViewTube0 8 months ago
British humour - one of the mysteries of all time. How is this funny? Where is the comedy (apart from the title)?
kotapaka 8 months ago
Bill Wilson had a mistress all his life. His biology of man is patent Manichaenism, i.e., heresy, no less a sin than drunkenness. Thought LSD was therapeutic for alcoholics, gallivanted with his buddy Aldous Huxley around the Southwest US, in their "Brave New World" of soma, on peyote and mushrooms. Machiavelli claimed "Fraud is praiseworthy in a time of war." This is why governments court order people to 12 step groups, not because they believe alcoholism is a disease. AA is a font of lies.
RioRags 8 months ago
@RioRags That is interesting, about Bill W. He sure wasn't perfect, that's
for sure! I used to believe that alcoholism wasn't a disease, and that
people just said that because they wanted to make the old alkies feel
better. I've learned alot about alcoholism and recovery, and it is a disease
according to the American Medical Association.
jedmisty 3 months ago
shit sketch
world2explode2moro 9 months ago
that guy looks like Jerry Sienfield!!!!!!!!!!!
serkia 10 months ago
AA is not a treatment program. AA is a mutual support group. It is a path to follow for those who want to follow it. Court-ordered AA fails because AA cannot be forced, you have to want it. Forcing it can make it fail IMHO.
If you took a sample of people who wanted to go to AA and follow that path, I'm sure you'd see a significant success rate. Include the people who are court-ordered and otherwise don't want to be there, then of course most of them fail.
AA is for those who want it. Period.
tomviolin 10 months ago
@tomviolin
Significant? You call 5% significant?
raysny 5 months ago
@raysny It's an anonymous program, so I don't know where you get those statistics, but I know for a fact that it works for many people I personally know. They aren't statistics, they are living, breathing people with families who thank God for bringing their loved ones back from the brink. Even if it did only work for 5%, that's 5% who are clean and sober today who might otherwise be dead. Neither I, or anyone, has ever claimed AA works for everyone. "Save one life, you save the world entire."
tomviolin 5 months ago
@tomviolin A 5% success rate is the same as no treatment at all, and that doesn't take in AA's higher mortality rate. George Vaillant, former Harvard professor, researcher, and AA trustee set out to prove that AA works, instead he found, "Not only had we failed to alter the natural history of alcoholism, but our death rate of three percent a year was appalling."
raysny 4 months ago
ive gone a bunch of AA meetings before, they make me want to drink for some reason
the way they talk about it like its some sort of amazing magical untouchable thing makes me want it more hahahah
EzioAuditore 11 months ago
A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.
ryogto 11 months ago
AA is for quitters
vet725 11 months ago
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pkjovi 11 months ago
Looks like Jerry Seinfeld's unfunny cousin.
rbrbran277 11 months ago
@rbrbran277 you consider seinfeld funny?
Quex01 11 months ago
I am a drunk and it helps me to go to AA. I am okay too with people who are against it. If I have learnt anything from AA its to allow those people who don't agree with me to have their opinion. My opinion is not their truth, theirs is not mine. Keeping it simple works for me. I am grateful to those American men who pioneered this 12step program so I can get sober in Cape Town. It works for me.
awodwa20 11 months ago
@awodwa20 keep faking it 'till you make it :P
beautifulmind546 11 months ago
@TheBighead122 Hi. I was sad to read your comment about not thinking the video was funny. I'm almost 10 years in AA and thought it was hilarious! My suggestion is you read up on Rule 62.... YIF
michaelt164 11 months ago
this is shit.
ferdinand4444 1 year ago
"Hi my name is River and I am an alcoholic"
Crowd: 'Hi River"
lXlRIVERlXl 1 year ago
@TheBighead122 Yes, I'm sober too thanks to AA but it didn't make me humorless.
willbond 1 year ago
its not funny.
just cos the writing and acting isnt funny.
ferdinand4444 1 year ago
@ferdinand4444 Your name is Ferdinand. That is slightly funny.
willbond 1 year ago
@willbond i think ur a bit funny mate
AllHitProductions 1 year ago
guys...you know this is a comedy sketch yeah?
dramaticafantastica 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy As for the term "clean": I believe the term "addiction" implies a suboptimal state that one would find beneficial to get out of, hence the use of a positive term like "clean" to describe the state of not "addicted". If in fact one is not in a state from which getting "clean" is desired, then maybe "addiction" is the wrong term to apply to that state. "Addicted", just like "dirty", is a state of being, not a fundamental descriptor of who a person is - and subjective at that.
tomviolin 1 year ago
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tomviolin 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy All I know is that I personally know several people for whom AA was a great help and it enriched their lives. I just don't understand why some people are so bent on attacking that. I don't believe that AA is for everyone. I believe it should stay voluntary and anonymous. And I am skeptical that firm statistics exist for an anonymous program.
tomviolin 1 year ago
It's like the british version of Seinfeld.
SkullVodka 1 year ago
There should be a "fuck adds taking 3 minutes to load" thumbs up comment in every thread. As a spoiled American....I demand this.
NocturnalExistence 1 year ago 15
@misterwibbles, no I am not, I am a longtime al-anon-er.
tomviolin 1 year ago
Something that is FREE and has the intention of helping people is a pretty good organization whether you agree with its steps or whatever.
Polaris382 1 year ago
@msheeon001 I'm glad you found my note comforting.
tomviolin 1 year ago
Bottom line: If AA, or Al-Anon, or whatever, works for you, great. If it doesn't, try something else! 12-step programs really do work for some people, and they clearly don't work for others. Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all? "Oh, look, I'm wearing a striped shirt and you're wearing a solid color! Let's start fighting about it!" Come on. We're all in recovery, from something. concentrate on that, and quit wasting your energy.
tomviolin 1 year ago 35
@tomviolin Thank you for your note on AA. It really does work for some and not for others, I struggle with just wanting to be normal and not admit I have a problem, but clearly, I do, and I say if anyone thinks they may, watch Father Martin on Youtube and maybe they may decided to stop trashing things that work for some. Amen.
msheeon001 1 year ago
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@tomviolin Thank you for your note on AA. It really does work for some and not for others, I struggle with just wanting to be normal and not admit I have a problem, but clearly, I do, and I say if anyone thinks they may, watch Father Martin on Youtube and maybe they may decided to stop trashing things that work for some. Amen.
msheeon001 1 year ago
@tomviolin,Hi,are you an alcoholic? i believe that i am,as im typing this im drinking a vodka,seriosly im not joking,im from Ireland but live in Germany and i not speak the language enough to understand the help that they offer here,i am lost!
misterwibbles 1 year ago
@tomviolin help is for the weak
LilShaggy82 1 year ago
@tomviolin You 're wearing a striped shirt??? Where did you know I have a solid coloured one?? Bring it on you striped doublecrosser! We know your kind!
klasomentas 1 year ago 2
@tomviolin AA & NA doesn't work any better than 'not' going to AA or NA The same percentage of people get clean & stay clean (i hate that word 'clean', implies addicts are dirty) as go to AA/NA as don't go to any treatment at all. I think you'll find that infact the 12 step treatment model is more harmful than beneficial and keeps addicts from empowering themselves and creates dependence on meetings and sponsors. I whole-heartedly believe in keeping religion out of drug & alcohol treatment.
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@tomviolin Absolutely agree.
But it will never stop. It's these divisions which unfortunately almost hallmark us and people seem to like the arguing. I think there are "sides" because we're encouraged to be competitive and beat our opponents, or at least argue our point. Being tolerant, or even just having an open mind are states many of us reach only with age, and some people never get even there.
pianomags 1 year ago
@tomviolin quit wasting... period
Sautron 1 year ago
@tomviolin
The reason is that AA doesn't work, the success rate is the same as for those who receive no treatment at all and has a higher mortality rate. Over 60% of all newcomers are forced to attend an ineffective, sometimes abusive program. Many of us left with a bad taste in our mouths. If AA hadn't pushed the courts into sending sending people to the program, there wouldn't be so many of us around today.
raysny 10 months ago 2
@raysny it has worked for me, so I have to disagree.
LMW87MMA 10 months ago
@LMW87MMA
You sound like one of those people who pushed laetrile as a cancer cure. A good portion of those who listened died and didn't have to.
raysny 5 months ago
@tomviolin is not about opinion, is about understanding if AA is a good thing for people or not. As I see AA is a cult who dont help people, only makes them weaker, makes them feel gulty and think that their main problem is alcohol instead of being just a consecuence of other things, the things thay really need to be attended.
Paseosinperro 9 months ago
@tomviolin You ask "Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all?" This is why.
RioRags 8 months ago
@tomviolin "Why should the two "sides" keep trashing each other? Why are there even "sides" at all?" Because heresy, lying, and adultery are sins too, which the co-founder of AA Bill Wilson never dealt with in his own life. Refer to comment below.
RioRags 8 months ago
Chapter 4 of the Big Book (no it's NOT buried in an appendix, it is front and center!) is titled "We Agnostics." Quote: "To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic... at least half our original fellowship were of exactly that type."
There are healthy groups and unhealthy groups. You found some unhealthy ones. AA control freaks need to go to Al-Anon, and get over it. There are healthy groups out there- I urge you to look for them.
tomviolin 1 year ago
@tomviolin WHY IS IT BLAMEDENIAL BLAME BOYS keep blocking me from their channel..will you start a campaign for mike and dave or whoever to let me back... makes me want to jerk off in womens mtgs again in the mens bathroom
IsraelforeverUSA1 1 year ago
@IsraelforeverUSA1 Your response is completely nonsensical and has nothing to do with my post. Perhaps that's why you keep getting blocked...
tomviolin 1 year ago
@IsraelforeverUSA1,what do you mean by jerking off in womens "mtgs"?
misterwibbles 1 year ago
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AA is not religious, although some of the people within AA are. It is designed to avoid dogma, I would oppose those who try to import it. Thousands of human lives are saved by this spiritual program. Sponsorship is leading by good example, control freaks all find the program to hard to manipulate, and leave.
melindasherman 1 year ago
AA is not religious, although some of the people within aa are. It is designed to avoid dogma, I would oppose those who try to import it. Thousands of human lives are saved by this spiritual program. Sponsorship is leading by good example, control freaks all find the program to hard to manipulate, and leave.
melindasherman 1 year ago
ah this is lame
AngeliaClaire 1 year ago
no refreshing the adds away
goosebumper88 1 year ago
How is this funny? good luck.
mtoloui1 1 year ago
There are some people that have extreme interpretations of the big book, but the program as a whole saves a lot of peoples lives.
TheRoyal1990 1 year ago
@TheRoyal1990 hell yeah it does! and Im one one of them
jessicamshannon 1 year ago
I have been in the program for two and a half months and have not drank or drugged since then. I was skeptical at first because I heard about the whole cult thing. I don't see anything like that going on. I see good honest humble people changing their lives for better and helping others in the process. I'm glad I did'nt listen to the haters and I tried something new and different. Haters start your own group Haters anonymous. I'll stick with a reputable program that keeps millions sober.
riggsefex 1 year ago
@riggsefex You haven't been involved long enough. Watch how in time as you become familiar with members and hear them share their stories, you will notice a familiar pattern. Self loathing and lack of attention to their triggers that make a person want to drink. You will see that most will continue to run in circles rather than take actual measures to change their behavior.
Kellyannk308 1 year ago
i used to go to AA totally ripped. LOL
TheDirtdemon6 1 year ago
Step 1 I'm powerless over Youtube my downloads have been capped.
Step 2 Came to believe that a power greater than myself could restore this speed
Step 3 Made a decision to churn providers.
.... anyone want to add more ?
Okky22 1 year ago
Hahahaha! He says, "Good!" I love AA. I found this funny because there are certainly moments when someone's rambling on and you wanna say what this guy says.
backwoodsninja 1 year ago
I'm a member and I enjoyed this. Sometimes I take myself too serious and it's good to laugh. Thanks for posting.
fh346 1 year ago
Fuck AA fuck NA any group therapy, fuck rehab fuck cops and most of all.. FUCK U , NO ONE WANA HEAR PEOPLE BITCH N MOAN ABOUT HOW BAD THEY HAD IT!!! FUCK ALL THE GROUPS
Redisthecolor5 1 year ago
@Redisthecolor5 My, you are a happy fellow, aren't you? Did AA steal your bicycle or something?
backwoodsninja 1 year ago
@backwoodsninja yeah im just peachy... naw it stole my 500'000$ dolla ride
Redisthecolor5 1 year ago
@Redisthecolor5 Ur part of the human race (a group)... most be lonely in ur little head.
avalino79 1 year ago
@avalino79 yeah man i kno right damn who woulda thought
Redisthecolor5 1 year ago
great LOL funny.
inwood75 1 year ago
i went to AA once...it was great...i felt great being there. i felt like i was giving myself a chance.....for those of you who haven't gone, you'll find it comforting in a way. just give yourselves an oportunity
LI4E1 1 year ago
watch my channels video guys
aajoshua1 1 year ago
Jerry Singfeld
FANADICALCOWHEAD 1 year ago
Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan!
SteRDLK 1 year ago
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British comedy isn't funny....I don't get it.
arizonabay07 1 year ago
@TheSlydawg11 fuck off
theiScot 1 year ago
on this, and on so many media attempts to protray aa, it seems so benign, like there a reno predators in the room. come on!
thisisalullaby 1 year ago
is that jerry seinfeld/
AngeliaClaire 1 year ago
Please,does anyone know where i can watch this online or download it? i cant find anything online!
Therifles100 1 year ago
so wrong
lostreslt 1 year ago
No, I believe in moderation. I went through a period of abstinance, rehabs 12 step, 3 years of it. Got sick of the repetitive nature and with my life being centered around something I don't do. Went back to using, went a bit crazy, but eventually got used to understanding "right time, right place, right amount" and with personal goals like a job and an education, have broken the cycle of self sabotage. Growth is more important than sobriety, AA values time sober over becoming a quality human
OldeBullLee 2 years ago
Im getn drunk tomorrow 4 the arsenal v chelsea game =)
ramando1 2 years ago
You had 7 years before, YOU not AA. If you want to stop, stop. You did 7 years without stepwork? What more proof do you need? The power is yours, if you are sober, it is because you want to be, if you drink it is because you choose to. If you want a support group, seek one out, but don't for a minute think they will save you, only you can do that. I believe you can.
OldeBullLee 2 years ago
@TheSlydawg11 Just remember not to let feelings of resentment make you "drink at them." If you drink, do it to relax, moderately, and for your edification and uplifting, not to smother feelings or escape. Stay sane, the world wants you crazy.
OldeBullLee 2 years ago
Humility
This is the process of living life in a positive manner knowing your limitations.
It is not standing in a crowd of drunks and mad people talking about your negatives and failures.
This AA practice is the reasong they make it harder to quit then going solo.
sandraplumberd 2 years ago
I got fired by my sponsor 3 weeks ago as well. Congrats on your 7 years dawg. Don't let this slip-up keep you away from AA forever. Alcoholics drink alcohol. Relapse happens to a lot of us. You have 2 choices: 1)drink 2)try again....don't listen to the people that tell you AA doesn't work because you drank. People that call AA a "cult" are either 1)non-alcoholics, 2)dry-drunks, 3)wet-drunks in denial
syntaxburn 2 years ago
buddhascribe- don't indoctrinate other people with your biased view..."Don't let AA make you sick" - LOL "Choose to take your own destiny in your hands and get better"- LOL. One of two things are going to happen to a REAL alcoholic: 1)stop drinking because they've lost everything, including health, or 2)stop drinking because they have a spiritual life with a support system(AA)...People who are ACTUAL alcoholics don't quit because they out-thought their addiction. LOL. Get a clue...
syntaxburn 2 years ago
@syntaxburn so the only difference between an alcoholic and one who isnt is that an alchoholic needs a support group but everyone else who quits on their own just didn't have a problem in the first place?
OldeBullLee 2 years ago
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AndreGDJ 1 year ago
jerry seinfeld ?? haha
feanor 2 years ago
I'm addicted to Youtube.. is there anything I can do?
8DX 2 years ago 36
NO! Just watch and enjoy!
stratocaster9631 2 years ago
That's funny. DOn't worry I am too
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I am too (a fuckwad, that is!)
evet45ish 2 years ago
picking on eve wow you are an ass
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
But... I AM eve! I am just 'getting honest with myself' - what's the problem with that?
evet45ish 2 years ago
@8DX first step is admitting to it.
Second step is replacing that addiction with another more socially acceptable emotional dependence: like religion.
Treblaine 1 year ago
@Treblaine Religion? Not on your nelly!
(btw in my country we have non-religious rehab..)
8DX 1 year ago
@8DX I was being satirical.
What is the point in AA if you replace all your spare time drinking and self-loathing, with time talking about god and self-loathing? AA is a cult, no wonder alcoholism is a problem at all if that "therapy" that is such a popular and often court-mandated "treatment".
It's unscientific and undermines our human right to decide our own beliefs.
Treblaine 1 year ago
@Treblaine I agree that it is just as unhealthy to replace your spare time talking about things that don't exist and living in the past. All they do is talk about all of the character defects they have and how they have to "turn it over to god." I have to go to AA because I'm on diversion, but oncce I sat and counted how many times "god" was mentioned in this "non-religious program" and I got up to 40 or so. It's a bunch of bull shit.
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
@8DX ahah.. YA (Youtubers Anonymous)
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
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@8DX Subscribe to my channel? Lol spam...
curtismcmullan 1 year ago
pretty poor form. disappointing.
farkagigi 2 years ago
Is this AA in England? In my area we share in a general way, and avoid the cross talk. Of course, it's only a television representation for furthering the scene.
BudWash 2 years ago
how about we all confess our past anybody want to go first?
tenillecanille 2 years ago
this is an absolute mockery of a highly reputable organization that helps rid you of one problem while heaping a biggeer onto you! shameless!
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
God Brits are funny!
Limeisback2012 2 years ago
Thanks, we appreciate it :).
drgonz0id 2 years ago
hilarious sketch
simplicity135 2 years ago
Both my parents were alcoholics and they both died from it. I understand about addiction but I will never understand how a parent can neglect their children in favour of a "Jack Daniels". I have two children and I just cant comprehend the way of life that an alcoholic lives.
montyandgeorge 2 years ago
Thank you for being able to be honest about this. Some people here think they have all the answer before experience the different views and studies that shows that this is a serious illness, disease or what every you like to call it. God Bless
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
You are welcome and I do think there are lots of different 'reasons' behind every kind of addiction but I'm afraid I don't believe in 'crutches' but I guess I am and will always remain biased because of what I saw as a child and what I still go through as an adult, chasing away the demons if you will.
When it all boils down to it though I remain steadfast in my conviction that if you love your babies enough then you can conquer any addiction.
God bless you all and good luck.
montyandgeorge 2 years ago
green wing!
headbanger69 2 years ago
well cheersandbooze4u just your name on Utube is working against you. I can help you, I really can ,, I am Recovered a father of 7 and 5 never saw me drink. I can take you through the BOOK page by page and step by step if you want it . It will awaken your Spirit so you can see the truth.Alcohol is but a symptom the problem on page 23 says It is centered in the mind. Let me know if you want help
redroadwalker 2 years ago
I my god!! I took the first drink of jack daniels after 105 days sober. I'm drinking now. someone reading ths pray i get back 2 d mtgs
cheersandbooze4u 2 years ago
I'm an alcoholic with 103 days sober and I have a terrible urge to drink. My sponsor just fired me, because I don't want to take his direction and I've been looking at the latest ads for jack Daniel's, Vodka, and have obsessed over a 30 pack of beer and wonder if they sell them by the bottle. I can't seem to "give it up to God."
cheersandbooze4u 2 years ago
DOOO IT!!!!
jesus christ get some willpower
SmackyIsHappy 2 years ago
Is this a bit too tough to be a comedy.
Kensingtonlondon 2 years ago
AA is a benign cult.
It doesn't stop you drinking..
but it will sure as hell spoil it for you!
schmutzgreiffer 2 years ago
I was just e-mailed by my ex-sponsor who dropped me when I told him I was quitting NA (well, duh) that he is quitting NA now after 12 years clean. I have no idea why or what's going on but all I can say is I wish him good luck...
ProfeLub 2 years ago
Incidentally, I'm writing a book based on "experiences, strength and hope" that have nothing to do with AA or NA or any A. Good luck with your recovery and I would never tell you to "f" yourself. For a supposedly serene person from a serene program, you're awfully angry... just an observation, of course. :)
ProfeLub 2 years ago 5
that is one funny a-rag
LordHines420 2 years ago
AA is for weak fucks who can't make the decision to quit..they need the group of loser feins to help them hahahahaha sick fucks...i have had 16months of living a productive healthy life without aa finally...and have been to treatment 17 times since 04 and never could get past a month post tx...hmmmmm????
CarbonCopy1983 2 years ago
you people don't know shit.
kevkelmax 2 years ago
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rigorousbob 2 years ago
AA`s a cult? Alcoholism is a fatal illness... if you could offer a cancer patient AA to survive do you think they would see it as a cult?
sean9453 2 years ago
Cancer is a fatal illness. Stopping drinking is a choice that YOU can make if you're man enough to admit it.
ProfeLub 2 years ago
Addiction can be a fatal illness, and it's not always about "choice". I see what "sean" was saying about cancer. It a means to a cure. Perhaps the cancer reference was a bit much, but see where they were going with it. It has nothing to do with being "man enough to admit" that one has an addiction problem. In fact it's apparent to me that you're a bit judgmental and misogynistic in your statements. What a pity.
omcorc 2 years ago
Judgmental and misogynistic? LOL... Wow... what a moron. OK, I'll change it to: "if you're man (or woman) enough to admit it". Does that make it better?
There is no scientific evidence to support your factoid that "addiction is a fatal illness". None. Zero.
Here are the facts:
With AA, people quit 5% of the time.
Without AA, people quit 5% of the time.
I'll stay home and do something useful with my life rather than sit around and whine about the problems that I created.
ProfeLub 2 years ago
Also the 95% that were brainwashed find it impossible to return through AA-induced shame.
gillcorskey 2 years ago
Addiction is NOT a disease or illness. To keep purporting this is both offensive and dangerous. It's offensive to those people with, ya know, actual fatal diseases that they have no control over. And it is dangerous because it allows addicts to continue sloughing off their actions & chronic relapses, etc. by not taking responsibility for their behaviour.
Addiction is a behavioural disorder. Taking a drug is a CHOICE. No matter how impulsive/flawed that choice may be.
Btw, why so much hate?
drgonz0id 2 years ago
you couldn't be more wrong.
addiction has 2 parts. the psycological,in which you are reffering to,and the biological,which you ignore.
taking drugs messes with everything inside you.depending on what you have used,you might feel from scratchy to an unbareable pain.
coping with those effects isn't as easy as you think.
it is a clear choice in the start,yes but when you try to stop it you have an illness.
elfakos1 2 years ago
The biological phenomenon in which you are speaking of is withdrawal and it still doesn't mean you have a disease. Im an ex IV heroin user and have experienced the pain of both physical and mental w/ds many times. Just because your body is acclimated to a substance and craves it does not make you diseased. That's ludicrous. Yes, after you are addicted to a substance, your behaviour becomes more irrational and compulsive, but these are still choices. It's simply a disorder of compulsion.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
If you really believe that then you have need experienced addiction and never read the information easily from on the internet. BTW if taking drugs in the end of my addiction was a choice then OCD is a choice read the info on the video on my front page. If you choice not to read and see then don't spread this uneducated information
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I do appreciate you maligning my intelligence and ability to use the internet! However, I have read scientific journals, books, articles, and done research in many a psych course. Just because my statements do not align with your beliefs does not make it misinformation. You say on your profile that you "read as much research of addiction being a disease". That's very myopic, one sided "research". Read of addiction as a whole, though it is at odds with your beliefs as 12 step programme member.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
As I stated below I am an ex IV heroin user. I'm also diagnosed with OCD. Both are similar because they are disorders characterized by obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviours. A behaviour always involves choice, despite the presence of an affliction/disorder/chemical imbalance, etc. Though it is difficult to abstain when craving (especially during withdrawals) it IS possible. Though I disagree with AA, everyday a person decides to attend a meeting for the first time. That's a choice.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
like with your OCD you made a choice to get treatment. Right? No difference. When I was using a didn't believe I had a choice. I knew that the more I tried to just stop the worest it got. I tried for years to get clean. How do you explain that one?
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
In your case (mine too) you tried to stop for years. It was too difficult. The cravings are overwhelming. But you and I obviously got the help to quit. It wasn't easy but it helped us quit. I hate to sound like a broken record, but if you quit then you did make a choice to stop the addictive behaviour at some point. If you keep telling people they have an incurable disease and no will power, they eventually believe it. That's why I got out of NA. It's not just demeaning, it's also NOT true.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
Your OCD analogy is a bit off mark. No one chooses to have instrusive thoughts, no, but you can cease obsessive behaviour with therapy and meds. Unlike OCD an addiction begins when you make the choice to put the drug into your system and habitually give into cravings, but you can stop in a similar fashion by choosing to seek help or stop. My point is that people with a true disease do not have the luxury of choice.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
The studies being done right now links OCD and addiction to the same part of the brain. I didn't say that OCD and addiction are the same just like any other disease. The point of the treating it as a disease is to get the level of serious and medical attention to help stop this how ever you get into this mess it still is a behavor disease and the way to correct it is to treat as a disease.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I'd like to say my main beef lies in claiming addiction is a 'disease'. The medical and scientific community have specific guidelines as to what qualifies as a disease. As a behavioral disorder you have the choice to stop. I wasn't meaning "just stop!" because it is extremely difficult. But when you enter therapy, maintenance, AA, etc. you are exercising your will power and ability to choose to get help to stop. With, say, Lupus, you can't just pick up one day, go to therapy and stop your Lupus.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
The medical community should recognize addiction as a serious behavioural disorder. Like any other psychological disorder; depression, bipolar, anxiety, OCD. That "d" in OCD stands for disorder, not disease. It is similar to addiction, which, yes! Is a disorder. New medications, support groups and therapeutic techniques are being developed to help those with an addiction. I do a combination of suboxone maintenance, CBT and RT groups. I just wish more addicts knew they had other options than AA.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
What the AMA and CMA have come out with in the last few months is declaring that they are going to treat it like a disease. I think for treatment purpuses it needs to treated more than a disorder. Because of all the areas it effects in a person's life. I do understand that they are different systems of getting clean. I do believe that your views of being powerless and having a disease is blured. Think about this being powerless over people places and suituation. Tells us that we sometimes are...
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
Shuttup FUCKHEAD
godlyguitarmann 2 years ago
NIce attuide. Why not share some of your wonderful wisdom. Oh yeah you cannot share what you don't have.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
dont hurt me daddy
geraldduke34 2 years ago
Papa ?
geraldduke34 2 years ago
not ablr to control the outcome or with people change there minds. I see alot of people coming in to just fit their families. Not thinking about all the other areas of their life that is completely unmangeable. The first steps is only there to help you see though to what is really important. Getting clean and finding out why you were using. The other thing is everyone putting the black cloud over having a disease. Everyone likes to put this death sentance on it and it isn't that at all.
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
I would have liked to touch on the neuropsychological effects of drug use because I feel like someone might use that to shoehorn addiction into the disease model. However this is getting long and comments are a shite way to communicate. I don't appreciate your 'spreading "uneducated information"' remark, but that's your opinion. As an ex NA attendee my intentions are to inform people that what they hear in 12 step programmes is not always true and that there are many other ways to get help.
drgonz0id 2 years ago
I agree that not all the info I agree with but the manner that I got clean I don't have to and that isn't what I learned and that isn't what I teach nor my sponcer line which is pretty big
Godlyguitarman 2 years ago
These programs don't kill your friends or family. your friends and family do that themselves..and before you get really angry,I've buried 4 good friends and a grandfather to this disease. All tried A.A and all thought they didn't need it and left. Which was thier right. No one poured the alcohol down thier throats but themselves.All thier friends are still sober...thier also still in the meetings..You don't have to be brilliant to see that it works it you work it..
halligantj 2 years ago
AA is a cult....its free, it has no leaders, and you can leave anytime....as a cult they suck
Danmera 2 years ago
AA is a dangerous cult. People attend AA who should be getting professional help - but professionals find that the AA hierarchy oppose science, because it is all based on God anyway, thus it's a cult.
I've seen people being "advised" to stop medication given by a doctor, "advised" to split from loVed ones who are not "on the programme". It has lowest success rate for "treating alcoholism" of all self-help groups & I've lost 3 close family to this nuthouse. It's not a disease, it's an addiction
No1barney1 2 years ago
fuck aa you might as well go to church, the serenety prayer begins with god, but they want you to go with your higher power, give me a beak, who cares what you did yesterday, what are you going to do today, tomorrow is not guaranteed, damn the past get over it, i don't care what you lost, houses, cars( if you lost a loved one i'm sorry), you got your health, screw these meetings, go to church, there is always free coffee there afterwards.
gillman47 2 years ago
A hug! ahahahahahahahahaha......hahahaha...
She said "he gave me a hug".......hahaha
CampsSuck 2 years ago
yeah because when i went to aa there was suddenly a fog filter over my vison
gillcorskey 2 years ago
AA worked for me for a month until i slipped last Wednesday. Im more determined after confirming to myself it is a real shitty habit, and i didnt enjoy it as much as i thought i would. I think , I finally got the thought of the possibility of enjoying a binge "once in a while" totally out of my head.
Shadowrom 2 years ago
I thought he was Seinfeld.
gerardwny 2 years ago
so did I
euncha 2 years ago
I've been going to AA meetings for 20 years, this is funny although nothing
has ever happened like this but I guess it could, I imagine this could happen but
we talk about our drunk logs occasionally
not what we were subjected to as a child.
Brough1111 2 years ago
On my way to a meeting right now actually. Day 15! Cheers.
nicktesta 2 years ago
Stupid and Gayyyy
JOE807MC 2 years ago
Two evenings ago, i left out A model farm machinery in my garden......which was spat upon directly by my polish neighbour upstairs. I brewed with rage for 2 nights......
finaly, i confronted my neighbours, and got a helf apology.
Then i went out and bought them a bottle of wine.
I was welcomed into their flat, and we had a great chat, dispite the girlfriend's boyfriends lack of english.
Wow. The feelng of peace and reconsiliation.
Maybe making peace with ourselves is as easy.
cloverfield911 2 years ago
") funny, I'm sober 20yrs and have never seen a disruption like that but I guess its possible. good acting!
12stepp 2 years ago
Believe me. I've been in the program for almost 13 years and it does happen. Sometimes you get some interesting meetings. Chairperson's responsibilty to keep things in order.
Very grateful to AA, it saved my life.
JeffN727 2 years ago
yes i agree with you. it does happen. that people deserve much better than to be sucked - at their darkest moment - into a sick cult. you fuckers. you killed my friend. and now you sit there and frown and shake your heads and say 'if only he'd follow our program'. you are sick. fuck you
gillcorskey 2 years ago 2