LCA has some major problems even after its induction, the most important one being a lack of thrust; the test flights have only reached M1.4 and 4Gs. The Indians don´t know which engine to fit in the LCA since their "indigenous" Kaveri-engine is years from working, if it will work at all. Jet-engine companies from both Russia and France have trying to fix it, but it seems to be at a dead end. Any new engine they choose will require major redesign of the fuselage.
According to an IAF source associated,Tejas has inducted but it is still not be the fighter the air force had agreed to accept for limited squadron service.Now in IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success.
When IAF can benift from existing technologies why don’t try it.why are they rigid and that’s the reason india has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india wants to induct LCA as soon as possible in IAF even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21.India is repeating the same story of arjun and Murat.
@Howard0Hughes Now let me tell u something, just because we have inducted it now doesn't mean it isn't battle worthy, by the way we have - Su-30MKI, MiG-29, Mirage standing we dont have any threat from Pakistan which isn't half as capable, By the way MMRCA's first deliveries will be in 2014 probably (30) and pakistan will be still bragging about incapable - JF-17
These airforce bosses want kickbacks from foeign companies ,thats y they are reluctant to take lca even after such long test periods.same case wit the army where arjun was scapegoat but arjun beat t-90 hands down .so now huge orders hav been placed for arjun ,even israelis want arjun tank.only the navy has encouraged indegenous ships and result is visible.india now makes 7000 tonne destroyers and 40000 tonne a.carrier at home.
@killerme44 Umm, Arjun can beat the shit out of a T90? And Israel wants Arjun? You must be most naive, at best, to say that. Arjun has been a disaster, It's one of the shittiest tanks ever built, It's so freaking heavy, it can't get across most bridges, thanks to its weight. And if at all there are good bridges, which are but rare at the frontier, it won't get in enough time,
Dude...are u mad? Arjun is among the BEST Tanks today.
It's Heavy? Tanks like M1A2(Usa) or Challenger 2(Uk) are heavier.
Arjun's weight of 58 Tons supported by a 1400Bhp engines with a Power/Weight of 24Hp/Ton is pretty awesome combinatioin. It's called a Rifiled Gun, better than most conventional smoothbore guns on other tanks
It's armour cud survive a hit from a T-72 at POINT BLANK Range.
And yes, Arjun defeated the T-90s durin trials in 2010.
@rohitb3 Abrams is a different tank meant for a different terrain and different infrastructure. There's no comparison between the two. As for the figures, you've got them right.
As for the rest, I suggest you read the rest here on Wikipedia (youtube doesn't allow links in comments) under Trials and Exercise.
And in tests you don't pit tanks against each other and let them blow the smithereens out of each other, so Arjun didn't literally defeat a T-90, it merely performed well against benchmarks.
They were pitted against each other as in.....There were 14 Arjuns and 14 T-90s. Both were gvin some specific tasks, which tested their mobility, accuracy,etc. and Arjuns performed better. I suggest u google "Arjun outruns,outguns T-90s"
I never said Isreal wanted to buy Arjun......
And about Arjun's armour...Wiki for "Kanchan Armour" and read about the tests performed on it.
Now the makers claim Kanchan is the best armour today.
@rohitb3 They did not perform better, they just performed well. The T-90 is a time tested and battle-test MBT; Arrjun still awaits active deployment.
As for the Arjun outgunning T-90 results on Google, they're from over-patriotic, over enthusiastic kids, not much unlike yourself. (Wikipedia contains verified material, though) Not that I'm saying it's a bad thing, on the contrary it's great to be patriotic and proud; but son, just don't do that while spreading false information as you go about.
"spreading false info"? im merely transfering the info from sources. the way u talk, calling every other human being as "kids", i guess ur less than 25 yrs old.
The ARjun is bound to outperform the T-90s. If u look at the theoritical performance chart , Arjun has a better engine, better power/weight, better speed, better EVERYTHIN than T-90s. So Arjun outperformin the T-90s is just a confirmation of those stats. Army has 170 Arjuns in service
@rohitb3 Whoa! Firstly, calm down, I'm no enemy of yours or the state's so no need to war it down with me. Let's tone it down a couple of notches.
Even if you're not literally spreading falsified, whatever you're saying is massively over-exaggerated. Think of it this way, can your sources be verified and counter-checked?
As for the theoretical performance chart, what happens in practice may greatly vary from theory. It's not possible to theoretically gauge every aspect.
Thats ok, your free to debate. And what do u think is over exaggerated?
And offcourse my sources can b verified.
1. Google "Arjun outruns outguns T-90s" . It's written in a very descriptive way.
2, Read about it on wikipedia. That's where i mainly get my info from.
I'll copy paste some wiki lines now
"All-round anti-tank warhead protection by the newly developed Kanchan armour is claimed to be much higher than available in comparable third generation tanks"
@rohitb3 And more over, it's not about individual scores, it's about how all these work in tandem, as a system. In engineering language, a system is defined as several different individual components working together to give some meaningful, constructive output. The issue with Arjun is, as I said before, it's a half hearted effort, so despite (as you claim) good individual traits, as a whole it's just not upto the mark.
That's all I mean, no person issues man, honestly! Neither you nor the tank!
"During the trials in 2000, the Kanchan was able to withstand a hit from a T-72 at point blank range, and was able to defeat all available HESH and fin stabilized armour piercing discarding sabot (FSAPDS) rounds, which included the Israeli FSAPDS rounds"
And about the engineering thing, i guess they have long passed that stage? that's why they hv inducted Arjun and it performs.....otherwise it would have been an incomplete tank?
@rohitb3 And, do you know the people who built Arjun? Do you know the lab behind it? I do, child, and that's the basis of what I speak. Know quite a bit from the Army's side too. Arjun has more issues than that meet the eye. The whole thing was a disconcerted, half-hearted effort, kind of like a really serious bogus. And of course they would sing tales of the glory of Kanchan. Doesn't GTRE recite glorious tales about the mighty Kaveri, despite the fact that it half burnt its Russian Testbed?
Everyone who has been invovled with the Arjun says it's a masterpiece. Yes, it has seen probs in the past....but that's an integral part of any developement. Kaveri is still not ready, so it does hv some probs.
@rohitb3 And kid, do some background research before making tall claims before making ridiculous claims like Israel wanting to buy MBT Arjuns, when they've got their own super awesome line up of tanks, and Arjun standing a canon hit at point blank range - already I'd definitely like to see the latter!
@adityagautam01 Dude lets be fair dude - Arjun is a capable dont mistake me but it is still with many problems - the main thing which arjun is known for is armor the others need improvement which i am sure the Mk.2 will be able to address, we have lots of time - T-90's T-72's are standing so that will be enough to counter Pakistan, meanwhile we can do the job on the Arjun
@shreyasisro5 First of all, I appreciate the tone, the other kid simply went ballistic with tall claims. And i know my language was neither appropriate nor ideal; and i haven't got anything personal against Arjun - heavens know I am not looking forward to meeting one of these face to face one on one any day soon!
The thing is armour is all Arjun has. They had to do something to account for the years in money that went in the project, right? Question is, is that sufficient, and worth it all?
@shreyasisro5 And as for MK2, I dunno much of it, but Saraswat speaks highly of it, and all of CVRDE's dicksuckery apart, Saraswat's a man of substance, the first since Kalaam, and I respect his words. Let's see. Hopefully they'll make it before I turn 50.
And sir the place where you're mistaken is that Pakistan's the biggest threat we face today. They maybe the most imminent, but China's the biggest threat India has today. Unlikely maybe, but that's the biggest we need to brace ourselves for.
@killerme44 Although you got the first part right, the army, much like the airf force, does want to procure military hardware from foreign vendors as far as possible, because in that scenario, they get to bake their own pancakes behind the curtains, which isn't possible in an indigenous development scenario. The Army kept changing the QOD almost literally crippling the development. Although, the inefficiency, incompetance and corruption of CVRDE is equally to blame.
LCA is not 4Generation aircraft.LCA is Mig-21+ said by current Indian airforce chief. He further said that "LCA is a learning experience for IAF and the mark1 is not combat worthy". LCA engine is underpowered and yet to achieve FOC and first squadron will be completed by 2015/16. Similarly LCA mark2 squadron will be completed by 2020/22 and after this FOC and LCA mark 2 performances will be same as MiG21 bison and MiG21 bison is not a bad aircraft.
Pakistan lost 4 wars from Hindustan in history. Hindustan "FUCKED" Pakistan so hard that they had given birth of Indian child BANGLADESH from their womb in 1971. Now Pakistan is "Pregnant" again by Indians and going to deliver second baby Baluchistan. Very soon Radio DELHI will announce a born of new baby born BALOCHISTAN.
Pakistan’s own child Taliban’s too BOMBING and shiting on Porkistan.
@slayerz01 , all modern aircraft are "highly unstable" this is what give them they manoeuvrability. this is why all modern jets are assisted by computers during the fly. if the computer fail then the plane crash, it has happened with the F-22 Raptor , the EuroFighter , the Gripen , ect... ect...
Poor planning, over-optimistic timelines and a lack of coordination with the Armed Forces led to cost and time overruns of major defence projects taken up by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). In all of the major projects — LCA, Arjun Tank, Kaveri engine and the Akash Surface to Air Missile — have the problems of “over-optimism” and poor planning.
TELL ME THIS IF YOUR GREAT COUNTRY SORRY WORLD POWER INDIA CAN BUILD ALL THE GREAT SHIPS AIRCRAFT CARRIES SUPER JETS AND THIS GREAT WORLD BEATING SUPER POWER ARMY WHEN BRITAIN HAS TO GIVE YOUR COUNRTY £6 BILLION EVERY YEAR TO HELP YOU`S FEAD YOUR PEOPLE PLEASE TELL ME WHY PLEASE
India has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india has inducted LCA in IAF in hurry even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.
IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21. India is repeating the same story of arjun and Murat.
LCA is 4.5 gen fighter .... the only problem faced by LCA is its engine... it's not as per requirement..... it uses composites material but still slightly heavy then estimated weight. A new engine is on way for which LCA has to be redesign. Furthermore it's design has one serious problem that it can't take out more than +6g turn..... weapon load is 4000kg but still can't pull a full weight..... some where near 2020 it will be fully ready as 4.5 gen fighter.
GAY HIND!!!! GAY HIND!!!! BHANGEE INDIAN RATS. WE RULED OVER YOU FOR 1000 YEARS. HOW DID YOU LIKE THAT?LOL. OUR WEAPONS ARE READY FOR YOU. STRAIGHT UP YOUR ASSES.OOPS! YOU MIGHT ENJOY THAT.
IAF will take years to integrate LCA Tejas and that means by than JF-17 Block 2 will be making its way into PAF.LCA has been hurrled into production after witnessing the success the JF-17 has got in the international airshows of ZUHAI and FARNBOROUGH & Turky.... and to the dear INDIANS,
LCA is a international joke! India only can buy Combat Aircraft from russia by super high cost. As a poor country, india government should spend limited money on their people's life.JF-17 is a success and mass production has started . JF-17 Block 2 is now in advance stages of development and testing .PAF will acquire between 250--350 JF-17 Fighters and these will be enough to support CAS Multirole and Interdiction operations against IAF ,
The only reason indians are on pakistani posts, is to show? how much jealoused they are of Pakistan making headway!WHERE IS FUCKING SO CALLED TEJAS LCA (last chance aircraft) where is indian pride and power now.
Congratulation to IAF on induction of LCA. But now in IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
India is just making its false claims for LCA in order to influence the world due to the failure of LCA.It will be outdated by the time it comes out in full production(2015). What a waste of time and money. I can’t figure out India when it comes to projects like Arjun and LCA. The Arjun-project started in 1972 & now 40 years later all they have to show for are prototypes, same story with LCA induction.Its world first fighter aircraft which has been inducted & still need operational clearance.
u indians,u ve taken 27 years to make dis jet,,n still its in procces,,,plz hurry,,v r waiting,,v took jus 6 to 8 year to make our jet jf 17,,,n now v r exporting it to diff countries,,,i ve a suggestion,,,tell ur govt dat invest in bollywood(see dis name is also a copy heheheheh,bt dn,t worry chalta hai) not in dis type ov projects,,,,n if u ppl need light combat aircraft den tell us v can give u in cheap price,,after all v r neighbour dudesssssssss...
arre its that LCA project was given official nod by indian govt in 1982. but all need to understand it was on a halt due to lack of capital resources. it was after indian economy started to boom after the 1991 reforms, actually after 2000 with indian IT boom did we infuse more money. so practically LCA took some 10 yrs to come what it is today. also as per 'economies of scope' theory we will only get better and efficient with future aircraft R&Ds....
India is one of the only major countries of the world that has been been unable to design and manufacture its own planes, tanks and missiles that work. The Key word is “work’. India has struggled for over two decades in designing the Tejas and it is not close to flight trials. The LCA, the Arjun, Trishul, Akash and other missiles are the same failed stories. It purchased hundreds of Flying Coffins which it could neither maintain nor fly.
As of right now Tejas is inferior to JF-17.The underbelly weight of Tejas limits its speed and ordnance carrying capacity.Small nose intakes limit its high speed manoeuvrability.JF 17 has a higher air to ground capability.Above all JF-17 is fully operational fighter where as LCA is still underdevelopment and failed in many essential tests.LCA has inducted for face saving of india but IAF has admitted that it could be a good trainer but not a good fighter one due to its v.limited capabilities.
every one compares the LCA to the Jf-17, IAF dose not need the LCA to fight the JF-17 it has far superior fighter jet than the JF-17 like the mig-29 and su-30mki, the LCA is only being inducted in too the IAF is so it can ground its old mig-21 with 3.5/4 generation fighter jet. I hope you all can get what iam saying.
According to an IAF source associated with the long-delayed indigenous fighter program,Tejas has inducted but it is still not be the fighter the air force had agreed to accept for limited squadron service.Performance specifications that the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has not been able to attain include sustained turn rate, speed at low altitude, angle of attack and certain weapon delivery profiles.Exactly how far off the performance is from the specification remains classified.
@Askywarrior JF-17 is also not a very great jet - its avionics are not good enough, avionics upgrade is not surfacing as yet, The Russian jet engine used gives the JF-17 a T/W ratio is 0.4, Kaveri already has developed more thrust than the one used in JF-17, One JF-17 crashed, China not inducting it because it fall way below it expectations, How bad the JF-17 is highly classified! Missiles - not very good! Metal Airframe - more RCS
@abdulrauf627 Hey kid..! Let me put it straight, the thrust given by the Russian jet engine u use is - 48 kN on dry thrust, 84 kN for afterburner, for a max. payload of 27,300 lb u would get t/w ratio of 0.4 for dry thrust, 0.69 for afterburner. For optimum payload of 21000 lb u would get t/w ratio of 0.55 for dry thrust and 0.95 for afterburner, now as u cant be on wet thrust full time, if u r on dry u will get pathetic figures of 0.4,0.55 - Kaveri even at development stage gives better figures
@shreyasisro5 so u r calculating ratio for dry thrust??? hahah...well i was not..
well if t/w ratio of LCA is 0.88 at present...and jf 17 is 0.95...
and about ristrictions of LCA...it can not take off with full payload..ur IAF is not even satisfied from ur engine..LOL !!! AND EVEN UR IAF CHIEF said LCA at present is not 4th gen. fighter (refference is livefist.blogspot.com)
And IAF can afford to wait a year more and get a better Tejas cause our Airforce is good enough to tacke any threats with likes of Su-30mki,Mig29,Mirage2000,
PAF is helpless cause F-16 is it's only frontline fighter...and they needed to do somethin asap.
All all those stpid claims of not being a 4th gen , bla,bla, take those claims back to 2001...noob
@rohitb3 well u r idiot..max take off weight of tejas is 13300 kg(according to ur own website) and engine thrust is 85kn so calculate thrust to weight ratio LOL ! i have read the article of ur website in which t/w ratio is 1.07 LOL !! u also read and came to tell ME hahhahha...
jst calculate and tell me...LOL !!
and about 2001?? man u need to lay off jst go and type google LCA is not 4th gen fighter by iaf chief..pen livefist.blogspot and seee the date mentioned above its january 2011....LOL !!
@rohitb3 hehehhe...u r fuuny..if ratio differ in different conditions then JF 17 will deffinately have better ratio in that condition..because according to max take take off and thrust LCA `s ratio is 0.82 and JF`S ratio is 0.96...i told u 0.88 because of possible errors..and u still argumeting?.
any ways LCA is not a better aircraft than JF 17..there is pelanty of ristrictions on LCA..and there is pelanty of problems in it..
0.82?? Too low...well that other guy told me it's not 1.07, fine......i guess it's 0.91
LCA is not ready yet...duh....1st squadron will be placed in 2013.
I never said LCA is better than J-17, though LCA is faster and can carry more load, J-17 has more range and as u said...Thrust.
But, LCA is part Stealth, it has a very low Rcs, difficult to detect by radar. It is actually similar to the Eurofighter in many ways....J-17..umm..okay...but the tech seems old.
@rohitb3 have u brain? loaded weight of tejas is 10500 kg(23148 lb) thrust is 85 kn (19074 lb)
now calculate thrust to weight ratio idiot it gives 0.82...
and ur 1st squadren is being inducted in 2014..cuz ur engine problem and other problems are not gonna to solve easily..and in 2014 we will have JF block 3..which will be much better than ur LCA.
Lol...im not sure how to calculate T/w ratio but it's DEFINATELY NOT 0.82. As u can see from this video, LCA can make Near Vertical climbs, which shows that it's T/W ratio is near to 1.00.
1. J-17 uses an old RD93 engine, which is nothin great.
2. Airframe is completely made of metal, increases weight.
3. LCA is more agile and maneverable due to it's Delta wing design.
And there's no JF-3 yet....JF-2 is being developed
@rohitb3 hahha..u dont know? jst divide my friend 19074 by 23148..answer ll be 0.82..
here r problems with LCA..
1.LCA is over weight.2.it has crossd development jas 39gripen.3.LCA is not 4th gen fighter(IAF chief)4.still pending for FOC5.having low wing loading6.LCA can not carry ful payload.7can not take off in rain8.it has 2 primarly controle surfaces
now reply me how LCA is better than JF with these problems..and piont to be noted these problems were mentioned by ur own websites...LOL!!
@rohitb3 how fool i m,talking to a fool,who dont know to solve a simple division problem..o my friend loaded weight of tejas is 10500 kg(23148 lb) (according to ur website) and thrust is 85 kn(19074 lb) so now divide 19074 by 23148 to get t/w ratio.it gives 0.82..
and about problems hahhah.my friend it is not me..these problems have been mentioned on ur websites like times of india,bharatrakshak,livefist,the hindu,indian express..
another problems: it can pull 6 gs.it has ristricted AoA.(22)
@rohitb3 No frnd, tejas as of now cannot give thrust of 1.07 but will surely give it with GE-414, as for PAF plz, dont spoil the whole mood here bringing in an air-force which is nothing but shit. PAF in 1965 said they claimed that they had got air superiority over us but there are numerous documents which prove as to how Americans & Pakistanis twisted the tale to favor them! It was India which had Air-Superiority!
@rohitb3 As for Tejas - we developed the whole FBW, FCS, basically all computers of LCA all by ourselves & they are one of the best, EW suite, HUD, MFD, NVG, Amazing Flight Simulator, Communication Suite, Landing Gear, THE WHOLE AIRFRAME, Design was ours as well (only reviewed by the Dassualt guided us on problems after wind tunnel testing etc.) Left over now is Radar, Laser Pod, Navig. Suite, Engine, Ejection Seat - all of which will be ready by 2017! Now Tejas is 70% indigenous, In 2017 - 100%
The delayed LCA would be carrying only “limited weaponry” when get ready by 2012.As LCA strive for initial clearance, Indian & International experts have come up with strong complications that LCA's US aeroengine GE404 does not have requisite thrust to give power to carry full load of weaponry.LCA was aimed to be armed with variety of weapons.During the recent weaponisation, experts have found that LCA cannot carry its full load of armaments including crucial missiles & limited manoeuvrability.
Unstable aircrafts gives more maneuverability which a fighter aircrafts want
very stable aircraft will oppose the movement of the aircraft ,infact it will try to come back to its original position
this is not suitable for for a fighter aircraft. eg. if you bank this Tejas aircraft and leave the controls it will stay where it is but if you bank a boeing 747 it will return to a straight and level flight.
stability and maneuverability are opposite's in aerodynamics
The it is one of the world most failier fighter aircraft called LCA(Last Chance Aircraft).As you saw this guy said test flight no 524 & still not tested what can i say more then else leave it and order to Pakistan for JF17 wich is world most successful multi rule combat aircraft.
@kpopishh67 Ignorant fool. Doesn't have any idea about different types of aircraft and came here showing your ignorance. Have you ever heard the terms "air superiority", "ground attack", "interceptor", "multi role" and aircraft classes like "heavy fighter", "light fighter", etc. Instead of calling crap and showing ignorance, go play your korean video games. By the way, what has your country made in aero industry, oh, T50 trainer that too with Lockheed help.
generation 5 aircrafts will be a sitting duck due to their heavy weight and less aerobatic skills. with advanced radars, LCA will be a Killer whale for baby seals like J20 & J17.i would say LCA should take few more years in development before starting mass production.
This initial success of Tejas can give us a reason to smile,but not to jump with joy.IAF has said they intend to carry out some more tests & it remains doubtful if the Tejas will actually fulfil the role it was built for:to replace the ageing MiGs.A reality check reveals some sobering facts.For instance,the LCA has been in the making for some 30 years.The initial budget was Rs560 crore;this spiralled to over Rs15,000 crore & 40% of the components are imported,including the all-important engine.
@richguy287 I quote from ur previous post" IAF well we did fk you up in 1971 so i guess you should still be shtting your self after we destroyed half of your airforce and almost all of your navy ". Isnt that a lie or a dream?
@richguy287 I said u are a lier and failed person, and u just prove it. Where did u get that infomation of LCA is already in production?I think everybody watched the news heard that they say it needs more years to modify it because of several major drawbacks. How can a new plance go straight to the production line only after couple test flight? Or maybe, because of its a failed product in whole, so what do u care. STOP LYING, JUST STOP IT.Exaggerating and lying wont help ur country become strong
@dersily Another red commie, sent to an australian ghetto shitting commie propaganda lies out of his mouth. Instead of calling us a lier and why don't u ignorant fool go to the LCA designers webpage ada.gov.in and check how many flight tests are conducted. Why don't u update yourself abt when the first test was conducted and when the plane was inducted into airforce? Oh, u commie low IQ ppl have to be spoon fed right, ok it took 10 years of testing and that means modifying drawbacks. STOP LYING
@oliverjia What config in LCA makes it a 2.5-3 gen "to be honest" as you claim and not a 4 gen plane ? Care to explain if you are not a big mouth? Ofcourse, , I ask you with "due respect" and additional niceties.
guys, be nice, although it is not a 4.5 gen fighter, it might be potentially a competitor of JF17 if they keep improving it over the next 5 years, although aero design by french, engine by US, avionics from Isreal, they did not fall in the last several years, which means their HAL do made some progress.
@richguy287 stop lying, it wont make u stronger. Here is quote from Wiki"The Sino-Indian War was also noted for the non-deployment of the navy or air force by either the Chinese and Indian sides", can u show any evidence that can prove the stuipd IAF destroyed half of Chinese jet fighters and navy? And another reminder for u"Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres". In conclusion, the LCA is a failed product and u are a failed person.
4.5 generation? give me a fuking break. Indians will use this to replace mig-25. if it is 4.5 generation. it should be able to replace Su-27/30
french aerodynamic, american engine, avionic software and control are also foreign, how the fuk can this be a domestic jet fighter? i thought indians are good at English. get a oxford dictionary and check the word "domestic
now that the so called indigenous LCA has been forcefully given IOC followed by huge compromises by IAF, the news coming in from IAF chief itself are: LCA is not a 4th gen fighter, is not an all weather aircraft, has compromised avionics plus many other "advantages". uh well, so much for a 4.5th gen fighter. i wouldnt be surprised if indians called it a 7th gen fighter - on papers ofcourse.
India is one of the only major countries of the world that has been been unable to design and manufacture its own planes, tanks and missiles that work. The Key word is “work’. India has struggled for over two decades in designing the Tejas and it is not close to flight trials. The LCA, the Arjun, Trishul, Akash and other missiles are the same failed stories. It purchased hundreds of Flying Coffins which it could neither maintain nor fly.
LCA is the cow,various Indians have milked.In India,where sleaze,graft and corruption are the order of the day,it is not at all surprising.Tejas, which is already 25 years behind schedule & under perpetual development.After a decade of false starts,abject failures,Tejas remains a but of jokes among the engineers,journalists and scientists in the aviation industry.Officials say the aircraft has failed to meet performance requirements laid down by the service for the limited-profile Mk.1platform.
@pafsbzkhan Haha.you pakistanis cant just digest someone's progress,coz u cannot even manufacture safety pins on your own.Tejas was behind schedule,but its technology is in modern,keeping with the times.But since pakistanis have no intelligence,or a knack for truthful knowledge its worthless to teach or tell you rags something.Tejas is the new boy to whip you people out, like the IAF has been doing all these years..PS : U losers !..hahaha
@khanf7pg a be saale tere ko kis chutia ne bol diya ki a aircraft 17 degrees pull nahi kar sakta hai bas tum log afwah failaane k kaam atain ho hahahahaa. sapne lete raho tum log hahaha
The LCA only took 5 years to develop (1990-1995), and its fly-by-wire system took 6 years (1992-1998). The aircraft was not flown for years because of American and British sanctions. The F404-GE-IN20 was available only in 2004 for the LSP-2! A.D.A. since then is only modifying the Tejas, not developing. The Americans took 20 years to develop the F-22’s engine. LCA’s performance is better than the early Gripen ‘C’ model and incomparably better than the Joint-Fuck JF-17. LCA MK-2 will be amazing.
The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you "
The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you "
In IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the F-5 Freedom Fighter or the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
The famous Raj Kapoor number Mera joota hai Japani, yeh patloon Englishstani, sar pe lal topi Roosi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustani sums up the Light Combat Aircraft which failed to take off due to a ‘‘technical snag’’ at the Aero India show in Bangalore. India’s ‘indigenous’ LCA comes with an American engine, on wing panels imported from Italy and avionics, navigational aids and radars from France, Israel and Sweden but still unable to become operation and going to be a failed project.
@AmericanRaptor1 you have a point although the parts that you mention does not matter much. Making such aircraft is no easy deal, countries that have mastered the art have taken years and years to refine the design and performance. India should perhaps learn from china which has simply duplicated various ex soviet and Russian jets at its own, which are proven designs and are expected to perform well as a machine, although they may lack the advance avionics and precision that developed lately.
@AmericanRaptor1 LCA is the cow,various Indians have milked.In India,where sleaze,graft and corruption are the order of the day,it is not at all surprising.Tejas,which is already 25 years behind schedule and has become obsolete.After a decade of false starts,abject failures,Tejas remains a but of jokes among the engineers,journalists and scientists in aviation industry.Officials say it has failed to meet performance requirements laid down by the service for the limited-profile Mk.1platform.
@bestfighterpilot LCA is not the best aircraft around but it was a very brave attempt on the part of HAL and ADA to create this aircraft without much technical assistance from foreign countries. India had to develop lot of technologies indigenously after the sanction against india because of the nuclear tests. True, not everything went according to the plan but the experience that the ADA and other organisations gained out of it is immense and proves the indigenous capabilities of india.
LCA has taken 25 years for its development and it still not ready to induct. The Tejas was supposed to have replaced the Mig 21s, MiG23s and MiG27s 20 years ago. The Tejas has yet to reach production status.Instead, it continues to perform endless flight tests and most of those are failed. Difficulties with flight controls & power plant continues to be plagued with technical difficulties, the worst of which was the collapse of the engine during high-altitude tests.
The LCA only took 5 years to develop (1990-1995), and its fly-by-wire system took 6 years (1992-1998). The aircraft was not flown for years because of American and British sanctions. The F404-GE-IN20 was available only in 2004 for the LSP-2! A.D.A. since then is only modifying the Tejas, not developing. The Americans took 20 years to develop the F-22’s engine. LCA’s performance is better than the early Gripen ‘C’ model and incomparably better than the Joint-Fuck JF-17. LCA MK-2 will be amazing.
Thrust (dry/wet): GE F404 (11,250/19,100); GTX-35vs (???/22,500)
Thrust/weight: F404 (1.02); GTX-35vs (1.2)
ALL THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE CORRECT AS I HAVE SPEND MONTHS TO FIND THE TRUTH FROM SEVERAL SOURCES. Even some figures published by ADA were NOT true, so I had to spend additional time to find out the real numbers.
LCA has some major problems as it seems now, the most important one being a lack of thrust, the testflights have only reached M1.2 and 4Gs, not exactly impressive for a multi-role fighter. The Indians don´t know which engine to fit in the LCA since their "indigenous" Kaveri-engine is years from working, if it will work at all. Jet-engine companies from both Russia and France have trying to fix it, but it seems to be at a dead end.
As for as LCA is concerned its a piece of junk,if we can benift from existing technologies why don’t try it.why are we rigid and that’s the reason india has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india wants to induct LCA as soon as possible in IAF even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21.
LCA has taken 25 years for its development and it still not ready to induct. The Tejas was supposed to have replaced the Mig 21s, MiG23s and MiG27s 20 years ago. The Tejas has yet to reach production status.Instead, it continues to perform endless flight tests and most of those are failed. Difficulties with flight controls & power plant continues to be plagued with technical difficulties, the worst of which was the collapse of the engine during high-altitude tests performed at a Russian base.
@khanf7pg It has dont its last user trails. Yesterday, IOC is do in the year. India didnt have the right infrastructure to create such a plane at the time, so it had to start from the bottom up.This is India's first real effort to create a fighter jet, with pretty much no experience.And the fact the budget for the plane at start was very small compared to others until its economic growth recently it has put more money into it.And PLUS USA's sanctions on India didnt help the development either.
Every time when India announces to make something u rush into making that (ex is India-TATA nano and Pakistan-sitara)..JF17 is born wid same reason.jf is totally china made.engine from russia(outdated engine by d way).additionally avionics programming is in C++(haha..lolz these chinese can go to any level to make their products cheap and dats exactly why they r not reliable at all).furthermore it'll need extensive maintainance(metal body).well all d best f luck porkis wid literally junk fighter
In IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the F-5 Freedom Fighter or the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
@AmericanRaptor1 India is just making its false claims for LCA in order to influence the the world due to its failure. LCA will be outdated by the time it comes out in full production and India induct it into the services completely by 2015.What a waste of time and money. I can’t figure out India when it comes to projects like Arjun and LCA. The Arjun-project started in 1972 and now almost 40 years later all they have to show for are prototypes, same story with LCA.
@Howard0Hughes ha ha.... look who is talking... F22 development started in 1986... and now the aircraft is already outdated and US gov has stopped production of the aircraft.... sooo funny...
@AmericanRaptor1 thats funny... HA HA.. F22- Development started 1986 and 2009 production of the aircraft halted... thats says a lot about that plane... :)
Actually, LCA will never get to fight in the air.Coz even after 25 years it is struggling with its engine which is the heart of any plan. LCA is an aircraft which is denied by the air force which it was made for. There is nothing in LCA that India has made, except for solving the puzzle and putting it together successfuly, about 8 of them are for the museum. Right now it has no hope.
@ImFlyingEagle for ur kind information that lca wouldnt make it in war because of engine u should know that tejas mk1 has ge404 which would be replaced by ge414 and kaveri is a success it is tested in russia and its a success
Tejas rules Porkies skies all the time. Below 4 comments are from the same person with 3 diff ID's, just ignore him! He is one desp Muslim cunt who wants to become a Hindu. His main objective is to troll every video to belittle Tejas completely knowing the fact the Tejas is far more superior to Junk Fighter -10 which has crashed 4 times killing 3 chinese pilots. But, what to say, apparently "ignorance is bliss" for porkies, illusion is all they have right now. Tejas rules!
LCA has some major problems even after its induction, the most important one being a lack of thrust; the test flights have only reached M1.4 and 4Gs. The Indians don´t know which engine to fit in the LCA since their "indigenous" Kaveri-engine is years from working, if it will work at all. Jet-engine companies from both Russia and France have trying to fix it, but it seems to be at a dead end. Any new engine they choose will require major redesign of the fuselage.
TheWarriorsMr 1 month ago
HAHHAHAHHA......4.5 gen???
dudes grow up ur air chief said."it is not even 4 gen.fighter yet"
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According to an IAF source associated,Tejas has inducted but it is still not be the fighter the air force had agreed to accept for limited squadron service.Now in IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success.
Askywarrior 2 months ago
When IAF can benift from existing technologies why don’t try it.why are they rigid and that’s the reason india has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india wants to induct LCA as soon as possible in IAF even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21.India is repeating the same story of arjun and Murat.
Howard0Hughes 2 months ago
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rohitb3 2 months ago
@Howard0Hughes Now let me tell u something, just because we have inducted it now doesn't mean it isn't battle worthy, by the way we have - Su-30MKI, MiG-29, Mirage standing we dont have any threat from Pakistan which isn't half as capable, By the way MMRCA's first deliveries will be in 2014 probably (30) and pakistan will be still bragging about incapable - JF-17
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
LCA is the most fucked up jet with indian air force.
warkadangdung 3 months ago
These airforce bosses want kickbacks from foeign companies ,thats y they are reluctant to take lca even after such long test periods.same case wit the army where arjun was scapegoat but arjun beat t-90 hands down .so now huge orders hav been placed for arjun ,even israelis want arjun tank.only the navy has encouraged indegenous ships and result is visible.india now makes 7000 tonne destroyers and 40000 tonne a.carrier at home.
killerme44 3 months ago 2
@killerme44 Umm, Arjun can beat the shit out of a T90? And Israel wants Arjun? You must be most naive, at best, to say that. Arjun has been a disaster, It's one of the shittiest tanks ever built, It's so freaking heavy, it can't get across most bridges, thanks to its weight. And if at all there are good bridges, which are but rare at the frontier, it won't get in enough time,
adityagautam01 2 months ago
@adityagautam01
Dude...are u mad? Arjun is among the BEST Tanks today.
It's Heavy? Tanks like M1A2(Usa) or Challenger 2(Uk) are heavier.
Arjun's weight of 58 Tons supported by a 1400Bhp engines with a Power/Weight of 24Hp/Ton is pretty awesome combinatioin. It's called a Rifiled Gun, better than most conventional smoothbore guns on other tanks
It's armour cud survive a hit from a T-72 at POINT BLANK Range.
And yes, Arjun defeated the T-90s durin trials in 2010.
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 Abrams is a different tank meant for a different terrain and different infrastructure. There's no comparison between the two. As for the figures, you've got them right.
As for the rest, I suggest you read the rest here on Wikipedia (youtube doesn't allow links in comments) under Trials and Exercise.
And in tests you don't pit tanks against each other and let them blow the smithereens out of each other, so Arjun didn't literally defeat a T-90, it merely performed well against benchmarks.
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
They were pitted against each other as in.....There were 14 Arjuns and 14 T-90s. Both were gvin some specific tasks, which tested their mobility, accuracy,etc. and Arjuns performed better. I suggest u google "Arjun outruns,outguns T-90s"
I never said Isreal wanted to buy Arjun......
And about Arjun's armour...Wiki for "Kanchan Armour" and read about the tests performed on it.
Now the makers claim Kanchan is the best armour today.
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 They did not perform better, they just performed well. The T-90 is a time tested and battle-test MBT; Arrjun still awaits active deployment.
As for the Arjun outgunning T-90 results on Google, they're from over-patriotic, over enthusiastic kids, not much unlike yourself. (Wikipedia contains verified material, though) Not that I'm saying it's a bad thing, on the contrary it's great to be patriotic and proud; but son, just don't do that while spreading false information as you go about.
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
"spreading false info"? im merely transfering the info from sources. the way u talk, calling every other human being as "kids", i guess ur less than 25 yrs old.
The ARjun is bound to outperform the T-90s. If u look at the theoritical performance chart , Arjun has a better engine, better power/weight, better speed, better EVERYTHIN than T-90s. So Arjun outperformin the T-90s is just a confirmation of those stats. Army has 170 Arjuns in service
cont..
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 Whoa! Firstly, calm down, I'm no enemy of yours or the state's so no need to war it down with me. Let's tone it down a couple of notches.
Even if you're not literally spreading falsified, whatever you're saying is massively over-exaggerated. Think of it this way, can your sources be verified and counter-checked?
As for the theoretical performance chart, what happens in practice may greatly vary from theory. It's not possible to theoretically gauge every aspect.
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
Thats ok, your free to debate. And what do u think is over exaggerated?
And offcourse my sources can b verified.
1. Google "Arjun outruns outguns T-90s" . It's written in a very descriptive way.
2, Read about it on wikipedia. That's where i mainly get my info from.
I'll copy paste some wiki lines now
"All-round anti-tank warhead protection by the newly developed Kanchan armour is claimed to be much higher than available in comparable third generation tanks"
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 And more over, it's not about individual scores, it's about how all these work in tandem, as a system. In engineering language, a system is defined as several different individual components working together to give some meaningful, constructive output. The issue with Arjun is, as I said before, it's a half hearted effort, so despite (as you claim) good individual traits, as a whole it's just not upto the mark.
That's all I mean, no person issues man, honestly! Neither you nor the tank!
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
cont..
"During the trials in 2000, the Kanchan was able to withstand a hit from a T-72 at point blank range, and was able to defeat all available HESH and fin stabilized armour piercing discarding sabot (FSAPDS) rounds, which included the Israeli FSAPDS rounds"
And about the engineering thing, i guess they have long passed that stage? that's why they hv inducted Arjun and it performs.....otherwise it would have been an incomplete tank?
rohitb3 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
cont...
And are u aware that Arjun is probably among the few tanks, that can fire Ground-Air Laser Guided missiles? (Isreali LAHAT)
They are gonna deliver all 248 Mk1 this year. Mk2 production will start from next year and induction from 2014,hopefully.
And pls watch this video
watch?v=n0YwQRjF6fQ
Watch from 5.10
(Read all 3 of my attached comments)
rohitb3 1 month ago
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rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 AT LEAST U PROVED URSELF LOOSER BY BLOCKING ME..
LOOOOSERS !!!!!!!
MY ALL REFFERENCES WERE FROM UR OWN WEBSITES...LOL !!!!
keep having ur problem,and the problem i have told u...
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
If u wanna Fucking Talk to me, U have to use proper language and manners. Im not listinin Shit from a 15 year old..
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 hahahha...if u want not to insulted.then plz u also have to avoid ur "stupidity"..
and what i want to talk now?
u have given up debate...in last message u diverted debate and started talking about OUR ECONOMY...wow...
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@rohitb3 And, do you know the people who built Arjun? Do you know the lab behind it? I do, child, and that's the basis of what I speak. Know quite a bit from the Army's side too. Arjun has more issues than that meet the eye. The whole thing was a disconcerted, half-hearted effort, kind of like a really serious bogus. And of course they would sing tales of the glory of Kanchan. Doesn't GTRE recite glorious tales about the mighty Kaveri, despite the fact that it half burnt its Russian Testbed?
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01
Everyone who has been invovled with the Arjun says it's a masterpiece. Yes, it has seen probs in the past....but that's an integral part of any developement. Kaveri is still not ready, so it does hv some probs.
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 And kid, do some background research before making tall claims before making ridiculous claims like Israel wanting to buy MBT Arjuns, when they've got their own super awesome line up of tanks, and Arjun standing a canon hit at point blank range - already I'd definitely like to see the latter!
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@adityagautam01 Dude lets be fair dude - Arjun is a capable dont mistake me but it is still with many problems - the main thing which arjun is known for is armor the others need improvement which i am sure the Mk.2 will be able to address, we have lots of time - T-90's T-72's are standing so that will be enough to counter Pakistan, meanwhile we can do the job on the Arjun
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
@shreyasisro5 First of all, I appreciate the tone, the other kid simply went ballistic with tall claims. And i know my language was neither appropriate nor ideal; and i haven't got anything personal against Arjun - heavens know I am not looking forward to meeting one of these face to face one on one any day soon!
The thing is armour is all Arjun has. They had to do something to account for the years in money that went in the project, right? Question is, is that sufficient, and worth it all?
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adityagautam01 1 month ago
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@shreyasisro5 And as for MK2, I dunno much of it, but Saraswat speaks highly of it, and all of CVRDE's dicksuckery apart, Saraswat's a man of substance, the first since Kalaam, and I respect his words. Let's see. Hopefully they'll make it before I turn 50.
And sir the place where you're mistaken is that Pakistan's the biggest threat we face today. They maybe the most imminent, but China's the biggest threat India has today. Unlikely maybe, but that's the biggest we need to brace ourselves for.
adityagautam01 1 month ago
@killerme44 Although you got the first part right, the army, much like the airf force, does want to procure military hardware from foreign vendors as far as possible, because in that scenario, they get to bake their own pancakes behind the curtains, which isn't possible in an indigenous development scenario. The Army kept changing the QOD almost literally crippling the development. Although, the inefficiency, incompetance and corruption of CVRDE is equally to blame.
adityagautam01 2 months ago
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LCA is not 4Generation aircraft.LCA is Mig-21+ said by current Indian airforce chief. He further said that "LCA is a learning experience for IAF and the mark1 is not combat worthy". LCA engine is underpowered and yet to achieve FOC and first squadron will be completed by 2015/16. Similarly LCA mark2 squadron will be completed by 2020/22 and after this FOC and LCA mark 2 performances will be same as MiG21 bison and MiG21 bison is not a bad aircraft.
Visscarionovich 4 months ago
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Pakistan lost 4 wars from Hindustan in history. Hindustan "FUCKED" Pakistan so hard that they had given birth of Indian child BANGLADESH from their womb in 1971. Now Pakistan is "Pregnant" again by Indians and going to deliver second baby Baluchistan. Very soon Radio DELHI will announce a born of new baby born BALOCHISTAN.
Pakistan’s own child Taliban’s too BOMBING and shiting on Porkistan.
Pakistan is now changed to "FUCKISTAN"
Backlittt 4 months ago
Over 1000 flights and nearly 540 HOURS OF TESTING.
Block 1 VERSION ORDERED by IAF to enter service in mid to late 2010.
Block 2 FROM 2013 TO include
NEW engine from BOEING or EADS
Israeli to finish their AESA development by 2012 (LCA will be its fierst customer... )
I actually think LCA will be a massive success
India hass jumped from 2nd GENERATION MARUTS & AJEETS in the 1970S
right thru to 4th generation lightweight MRCA.
SUJITH345 4 months ago
did the moron say highly unstable aircraft? LOL. Funny bhangee indian rats, themselves making fun of their aircrafts.
slayerz01 4 months ago
@slayerz01
ookk....u dunno what an "unstable" aircraft.?...fuck....u just made yourself look like a ass :D
rohitb3 4 months ago
@slayerz01 , all modern aircraft are "highly unstable" this is what give them they manoeuvrability. this is why all modern jets are assisted by computers during the fly. if the computer fail then the plane crash, it has happened with the F-22 Raptor , the EuroFighter , the Gripen , ect... ect...
XBotticelli 4 months ago
@slayerz01 You cunt , higly unstable means the aircraft is highly maneuverable.
Dont make fun of yourself.
sathishkulashekar 3 months ago
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if LCA is 4.5 gen fighter then Mig-15 is 4th gen for sure``````
LCA=French design + Russian weapons + isreali electronics + european radar + american FBW and engine + Indian paint job + endless laughing stock
stupid indians believing whatever their bollywood propaganda machine gives to them
manofadventure 5 months ago
Poor planning, over-optimistic timelines and a lack of coordination with the Armed Forces led to cost and time overruns of major defence projects taken up by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). In all of the major projects — LCA, Arjun Tank, Kaveri engine and the Akash Surface to Air Missile — have the problems of “over-optimism” and poor planning.
Visscarionovich 5 months ago
TELL ME THIS IF YOUR GREAT COUNTRY SORRY WORLD POWER INDIA CAN BUILD ALL THE GREAT SHIPS AIRCRAFT CARRIES SUPER JETS AND THIS GREAT WORLD BEATING SUPER POWER ARMY WHEN BRITAIN HAS TO GIVE YOUR COUNRTY £6 BILLION EVERY YEAR TO HELP YOU`S FEAD YOUR PEOPLE PLEASE TELL ME WHY PLEASE
PROVOJOE1 6 months ago
LCA is almost a failed project.
India has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india has inducted LCA in IAF in hurry even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.
IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21. India is repeating the same story of arjun and Murat.
bestfighterpilot 6 months ago
@bestfighterpilot no you got that wrong it is a 4.5 generation masterpiece
hahahahahahhaha
MuslimSoldier187 6 months ago
LCA is 4.5 gen fighter .... the only problem faced by LCA is its engine... it's not as per requirement..... it uses composites material but still slightly heavy then estimated weight. A new engine is on way for which LCA has to be redesign. Furthermore it's design has one serious problem that it can't take out more than +6g turn..... weapon load is 4000kg but still can't pull a full weight..... some where near 2020 it will be fully ready as 4.5 gen fighter.
flanker35su 6 months ago
GAY HIND!!!! GAY HIND!!!! BHANGEE INDIAN RATS. WE RULED OVER YOU FOR 1000 YEARS. HOW DID YOU LIKE THAT?LOL. OUR WEAPONS ARE READY FOR YOU. STRAIGHT UP YOUR ASSES.OOPS! YOU MIGHT ENJOY THAT.
slayerz01 6 months ago
92 JF-17s by the end of 2011...how many LCA-TEJAS would be in operational service by then?
what happened in 1965 whEn PAF shOt IAF with 1:3, gO and see wikipEdia..
its nOt abOut hOw gOod is a plane.. itX abOut hOw yOu fly it.. and indian pilOts fly likE they are slEeping.. every mOnth we heard.. plane dOwn..
first train yOur sleeping pilOts.. then dO and think fOr sOmething ElsE.. after arjun Or i must say ar-junk..
tejas will be a failure tOo fOr sure, cz itX madE in india..
TheBhatti1980 6 months ago
IAF will take years to integrate LCA Tejas and that means by than JF-17 Block 2 will be making its way into PAF.LCA has been hurrled into production after witnessing the success the JF-17 has got in the international airshows of ZUHAI and FARNBOROUGH & Turky.... and to the dear INDIANS,
TheBhatti1980 6 months ago
LCA is a international joke! India only can buy Combat Aircraft from russia by super high cost. As a poor country, india government should spend limited money on their people's life.JF-17 is a success and mass production has started . JF-17 Block 2 is now in advance stages of development and testing .PAF will acquire between 250--350 JF-17 Fighters and these will be enough to support CAS Multirole and Interdiction operations against IAF ,
TheBhatti1980 6 months ago
The only reason indians are on pakistani posts, is to show? how much jealoused they are of Pakistan making headway!WHERE IS FUCKING SO CALLED TEJAS LCA (last chance aircraft) where is indian pride and power now.
TheBhatti1980 6 months ago
Congratulation to IAF on induction of LCA. But now in IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
bestfighterpilot 6 months ago
@bestfighterpilot
Shut up bastard...stop posting the same shit on all Tejas vids.....u pakis cant even produce a car..let alone a fighter jet.
rohitb3 6 months ago
LCA is a garbage ,it is best target of our china aircraft.
songchao528 6 months ago
India is just making its false claims for LCA in order to influence the world due to the failure of LCA.It will be outdated by the time it comes out in full production(2015). What a waste of time and money. I can’t figure out India when it comes to projects like Arjun and LCA. The Arjun-project started in 1972 & now 40 years later all they have to show for are prototypes, same story with LCA induction.Its world first fighter aircraft which has been inducted & still need operational clearance.
Howard0Hughes 6 months ago
u indians,u ve taken 27 years to make dis jet,,n still its in procces,,,plz hurry,,v r waiting,,v took jus 6 to 8 year to make our jet jf 17,,,n now v r exporting it to diff countries,,,i ve a suggestion,,,tell ur govt dat invest in bollywood(see dis name is also a copy heheheheh,bt dn,t worry chalta hai) not in dis type ov projects,,,,n if u ppl need light combat aircraft den tell us v can give u in cheap price,,after all v r neighbour dudesssssssss...
MyAhsan1 6 months ago
arre its that LCA project was given official nod by indian govt in 1982. but all need to understand it was on a halt due to lack of capital resources. it was after indian economy started to boom after the 1991 reforms, actually after 2000 with indian IT boom did we infuse more money. so practically LCA took some 10 yrs to come what it is today. also as per 'economies of scope' theory we will only get better and efficient with future aircraft R&Ds....
Devilion901 7 months ago
India is one of the only major countries of the world that has been been unable to design and manufacture its own planes, tanks and missiles that work. The Key word is “work’. India has struggled for over two decades in designing the Tejas and it is not close to flight trials. The LCA, the Arjun, Trishul, Akash and other missiles are the same failed stories. It purchased hundreds of Flying Coffins which it could neither maintain nor fly.
bestfighterpilot 7 months ago
SU-30MKI>MiG-29>Tejas>..........Pigeon>Crow>Sparrow>JF-17 Blunder
aaronkimi86 8 months ago
LET PORKISTANIS BARK, THE WORLD MEDIA HAS CLEARLY RANKED LCA TEJAS FAR MORE SUPERIOR THEN CHEAP J-17 BLUNDER.
harmansthirdfather 8 months ago
JF 17 INDUCTED.. IN FULL PRODUCTION... OUR WHEN WILL OUR LCA WILL BE IN IAF... MK-1, MK-2..
saintchap 9 months ago
You gays are jocking!LCA is 4.5 generation?! It is 2.5 actually.
8686626 9 months ago
As of right now Tejas is inferior to JF-17.The underbelly weight of Tejas limits its speed and ordnance carrying capacity.Small nose intakes limit its high speed manoeuvrability.JF 17 has a higher air to ground capability.Above all JF-17 is fully operational fighter where as LCA is still underdevelopment and failed in many essential tests.LCA has inducted for face saving of india but IAF has admitted that it could be a good trainer but not a good fighter one due to its v.limited capabilities.
fighterpilot65 9 months ago
every one compares the LCA to the Jf-17, IAF dose not need the LCA to fight the JF-17 it has far superior fighter jet than the JF-17 like the mig-29 and su-30mki, the LCA is only being inducted in too the IAF is so it can ground its old mig-21 with 3.5/4 generation fighter jet. I hope you all can get what iam saying.
signifurbrown88 10 months ago
Do you pakistanis even live in pakistan?
TheArceus12345 11 months ago
According to an IAF source associated with the long-delayed indigenous fighter program,Tejas has inducted but it is still not be the fighter the air force had agreed to accept for limited squadron service.Performance specifications that the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has not been able to attain include sustained turn rate, speed at low altitude, angle of attack and certain weapon delivery profiles.Exactly how far off the performance is from the specification remains classified.
Askywarrior 11 months ago 5
@Askywarrior JF-17 is also not a very great jet - its avionics are not good enough, avionics upgrade is not surfacing as yet, The Russian jet engine used gives the JF-17 a T/W ratio is 0.4, Kaveri already has developed more thrust than the one used in JF-17, One JF-17 crashed, China not inducting it because it fall way below it expectations, How bad the JF-17 is highly classified! Missiles - not very good! Metal Airframe - more RCS
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
@shreyasisro5 well dude...want comparison of JF 17 with LCA here u go...
watch?v=6_kLZkWhdLs ( this information is taken from ur own websites)....
and for ur correction here t/w ratio of jf is 0.96..u cant solve a simple division problem LOL
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627 Hey kid..! Let me put it straight, the thrust given by the Russian jet engine u use is - 48 kN on dry thrust, 84 kN for afterburner, for a max. payload of 27,300 lb u would get t/w ratio of 0.4 for dry thrust, 0.69 for afterburner. For optimum payload of 21000 lb u would get t/w ratio of 0.55 for dry thrust and 0.95 for afterburner, now as u cant be on wet thrust full time, if u r on dry u will get pathetic figures of 0.4,0.55 - Kaveri even at development stage gives better figures
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
@shreyasisro5 so u r calculating ratio for dry thrust??? hahah...well i was not..
well if t/w ratio of LCA is 0.88 at present...and jf 17 is 0.95...
and about ristrictions of LCA...it can not take off with full payload..ur IAF is not even satisfied from ur engine..LOL !!! AND EVEN UR IAF CHIEF said LCA at present is not 4th gen. fighter (refference is livefist.blogspot.com)
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
Tejas's Thrust is 1.07...
And IAF can afford to wait a year more and get a better Tejas cause our Airforce is good enough to tacke any threats with likes of Su-30mki,Mig29,Mirage2000,
PAF is helpless cause F-16 is it's only frontline fighter...and they needed to do somethin asap.
All all those stpid claims of not being a 4th gen , bla,bla, take those claims back to 2001...noob
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 well u r idiot..max take off weight of tejas is 13300 kg(according to ur own website) and engine thrust is 85kn so calculate thrust to weight ratio LOL ! i have read the article of ur website in which t/w ratio is 1.07 LOL !! u also read and came to tell ME hahhahha...
jst calculate and tell me...LOL !!
and about 2001?? man u need to lay off jst go and type google LCA is not 4th gen fighter by iaf chief..pen livefist.blogspot and seee the date mentioned above its january 2011....LOL !!
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
Stop using to much LOL, u sound desperate....
T/W ratio may differ, it does not have a fixed calculation...
And yes, i typed that, i got one link which says ur right
i also got another blog where the IAF chief says that Tejas can be used as an "Aur Superiority" Aircraft.
What to beleive?
And according to u....why exactly isnt it a 4th gen fighter eh??....
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 hehehhe...u r fuuny..if ratio differ in different conditions then JF 17 will deffinately have better ratio in that condition..because according to max take take off and thrust LCA `s ratio is 0.82 and JF`S ratio is 0.96...i told u 0.88 because of possible errors..and u still argumeting?.
any ways LCA is not a better aircraft than JF 17..there is pelanty of ristrictions on LCA..and there is pelanty of problems in it..
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
0.82?? Too low...well that other guy told me it's not 1.07, fine......i guess it's 0.91
LCA is not ready yet...duh....1st squadron will be placed in 2013.
I never said LCA is better than J-17, though LCA is faster and can carry more load, J-17 has more range and as u said...Thrust.
But, LCA is part Stealth, it has a very low Rcs, difficult to detect by radar. It is actually similar to the Eurofighter in many ways....J-17..umm..okay...but the tech seems old.
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 have u brain? loaded weight of tejas is 10500 kg(23148 lb) thrust is 85 kn (19074 lb)
now calculate thrust to weight ratio idiot it gives 0.82...
and ur 1st squadren is being inducted in 2014..cuz ur engine problem and other problems are not gonna to solve easily..and in 2014 we will have JF block 3..which will be much better than ur LCA.
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
Lol...im not sure how to calculate T/w ratio but it's DEFINATELY NOT 0.82. As u can see from this video, LCA can make Near Vertical climbs, which shows that it's T/W ratio is near to 1.00.
1. J-17 uses an old RD93 engine, which is nothin great.
2. Airframe is completely made of metal, increases weight.
3. LCA is more agile and maneverable due to it's Delta wing design.
And there's no JF-3 yet....JF-2 is being developed
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 hahha..u dont know? jst divide my friend 19074 by 23148..answer ll be 0.82..
here r problems with LCA..
1.LCA is over weight.2.it has crossd development jas 39gripen.3.LCA is not 4th gen fighter(IAF chief)4.still pending for FOC5.having low wing loading6.LCA can not carry ful payload.7can not take off in rain8.it has 2 primarly controle surfaces
now reply me how LCA is better than JF with these problems..and piont to be noted these problems were mentioned by ur own websites...LOL!!
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627
See this above video at 0.25 where the LCA takes off, it cannot make such a climb with a T/w of only 0.82.
LCA is overweight???? It's LIGHT because it contains less metal and more COMPOSITE materials.
Crossed developement Gripin means?
LCa is not 4th gen fighter? U tell me why?
Still pendin for FOC? Last minnute corrections for a better jet
Having Low Wing Loading is GOOD...increasews maneuverability
CAnnot take of in rain..?
Cannot carry ful payload,maybe
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 how fool i m,talking to a fool,who dont know to solve a simple division problem..o my friend loaded weight of tejas is 10500 kg(23148 lb) (according to ur website) and thrust is 85 kn(19074 lb) so now divide 19074 by 23148 to get t/w ratio.it gives 0.82..
and about problems hahhah.my friend it is not me..these problems have been mentioned on ur websites like times of india,bharatrakshak,livefist,the hindu,indian express..
another problems: it can pull 6 gs.it has ristricted AoA.(22)
abdulrauf627 1 month ago
@rohitb3 No frnd, tejas as of now cannot give thrust of 1.07 but will surely give it with GE-414, as for PAF plz, dont spoil the whole mood here bringing in an air-force which is nothing but shit. PAF in 1965 said they claimed that they had got air superiority over us but there are numerous documents which prove as to how Americans & Pakistanis twisted the tale to favor them! It was India which had Air-Superiority!
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
@shreyasisro5
are u sure..? Cause Wiki says 1.07 and also the site linked to the performance graph says 1.07..
rohitb3 1 month ago
@rohitb3 As for Tejas - we developed the whole FBW, FCS, basically all computers of LCA all by ourselves & they are one of the best, EW suite, HUD, MFD, NVG, Amazing Flight Simulator, Communication Suite, Landing Gear, THE WHOLE AIRFRAME, Design was ours as well (only reviewed by the Dassualt guided us on problems after wind tunnel testing etc.) Left over now is Radar, Laser Pod, Navig. Suite, Engine, Ejection Seat - all of which will be ready by 2017! Now Tejas is 70% indigenous, In 2017 - 100%
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
@abdulrauf627 Kid go learn division urself from 1st grade kid! Looser Paki!
shreyasisro5 1 month ago
The delayed LCA would be carrying only “limited weaponry” when get ready by 2012.As LCA strive for initial clearance, Indian & International experts have come up with strong complications that LCA's US aeroengine GE404 does not have requisite thrust to give power to carry full load of weaponry.LCA was aimed to be armed with variety of weapons.During the recent weaponisation, experts have found that LCA cannot carry its full load of armaments including crucial missiles & limited manoeuvrability.
bestfighterpilot 11 months ago
did he say unstable aircraft...how does that help?? :D
nirmal6294 1 year ago
@nirmal6294
Unstable aircrafts gives more maneuverability which a fighter aircrafts want
very stable aircraft will oppose the movement of the aircraft ,infact it will try to come back to its original position
this is not suitable for for a fighter aircraft. eg. if you bank this Tejas aircraft and leave the controls it will stay where it is but if you bank a boeing 747 it will return to a straight and level flight.
stability and maneuverability are opposite's in aerodynamics
prashantbm 9 months ago
The it is one of the world most failier fighter aircraft called LCA(Last Chance Aircraft).As you saw this guy said test flight no 524 & still not tested what can i say more then else leave it and order to Pakistan for JF17 wich is world most successful multi rule combat aircraft.
TheBhatti1980 1 year ago
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Apollo13143 1 year ago
This is what happens when shit grows a pair of wings...
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@richguy287 lca is crap lol.trust me,mig29 can screwed 5tejas easily in dogfight.
kpopishh67 1 year ago
@kpopishh67 Ignorant fool. Doesn't have any idea about different types of aircraft and came here showing your ignorance. Have you ever heard the terms "air superiority", "ground attack", "interceptor", "multi role" and aircraft classes like "heavy fighter", "light fighter", etc. Instead of calling crap and showing ignorance, go play your korean video games. By the way, what has your country made in aero industry, oh, T50 trainer that too with Lockheed help.
Apollo13143 1 year ago
WTF???This crap can be a 4.5 gen aircraft?ROFL,this crap must be a junk collect from soviet union.
kpopishh67 1 year ago
@kpopishh67 hey what's up with north Korea...stil scared of military action from the north??? need US help??? hahahahah
maxxbad17 11 months ago
generation 5 aircrafts will be a sitting duck due to their heavy weight and less aerobatic skills. with advanced radars, LCA will be a Killer whale for baby seals like J20 & J17.i would say LCA should take few more years in development before starting mass production.
akshar8 1 year ago
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This initial success of Tejas can give us a reason to smile,but not to jump with joy.IAF has said they intend to carry out some more tests & it remains doubtful if the Tejas will actually fulfil the role it was built for:to replace the ageing MiGs.A reality check reveals some sobering facts.For instance,the LCA has been in the making for some 30 years.The initial budget was Rs560 crore;this spiralled to over Rs15,000 crore & 40% of the components are imported,including the all-important engine.
flanker35su 1 year ago
@richguy287 I quote from ur previous post" IAF well we did fk you up in 1971 so i guess you should still be shtting your self after we destroyed half of your airforce and almost all of your navy ". Isnt that a lie or a dream?
dersily 1 year ago
@richguy287 I said u are a lier and failed person, and u just prove it. Where did u get that infomation of LCA is already in production?I think everybody watched the news heard that they say it needs more years to modify it because of several major drawbacks. How can a new plance go straight to the production line only after couple test flight? Or maybe, because of its a failed product in whole, so what do u care. STOP LYING, JUST STOP IT.Exaggerating and lying wont help ur country become strong
dersily 1 year ago
@dersily Another red commie, sent to an australian ghetto shitting commie propaganda lies out of his mouth. Instead of calling us a lier and why don't u ignorant fool go to the LCA designers webpage ada.gov.in and check how many flight tests are conducted. Why don't u update yourself abt when the first test was conducted and when the plane was inducted into airforce? Oh, u commie low IQ ppl have to be spoon fed right, ok it took 10 years of testing and that means modifying drawbacks. STOP LYING
Apollo13143 1 year ago
With due respect but come on, LCA is a 4.5 gen jet? maybe Russia's T50 and China'
s J-20 are 4.5 gen, LCA is 2.5-3 gen to be honest.
Generation of a jet is determined by its config, not by a big mouth.
oliverjia 1 year ago
@oliverjia
To be honest a j20 would get kicked by any other ''normal'' 40 year old fighter jet
Plasticwin 1 year ago
@Plasticwin
LMAO. I hope you people keep dreaming. You don't know what you are talking about.
oliverjia 1 year ago
@oliverjia
I cant imagine youre from usa and saying that..
f-18 is about 35 years old and all of you americans would consider it better than that chinese copy of a bomber.
Plasticwin 1 year ago
@oliverjia What config in LCA makes it a 2.5-3 gen "to be honest" as you claim and not a 4 gen plane ? Care to explain if you are not a big mouth? Ofcourse, , I ask you with "due respect" and additional niceties.
Apollo13143 1 year ago
guys, be nice, although it is not a 4.5 gen fighter, it might be potentially a competitor of JF17 if they keep improving it over the next 5 years, although aero design by french, engine by US, avionics from Isreal, they did not fall in the last several years, which means their HAL do made some progress.
shijmus 1 year ago
@richguy287 stop lying, it wont make u stronger. Here is quote from Wiki"The Sino-Indian War was also noted for the non-deployment of the navy or air force by either the Chinese and Indian sides", can u show any evidence that can prove the stuipd IAF destroyed half of Chinese jet fighters and navy? And another reminder for u"Chinese troops advanced over Indian forces in both theatres". In conclusion, the LCA is a failed product and u are a failed person.
dersily 1 year ago
looks cool. but 4.5 gen? seriously doubt.
patbaby2010 1 year ago
4.5 generation? give me a fuking break. Indians will use this to replace mig-25. if it is 4.5 generation. it should be able to replace Su-27/30
french aerodynamic, american engine, avionic software and control are also foreign, how the fuk can this be a domestic jet fighter? i thought indians are good at English. get a oxford dictionary and check the word "domestic
SmallShark 1 year ago
oh what a shame, more than 3 decades in the making and unable to deliver 30 years old technology, what a shame.
shumayelahmed 1 year ago
my ass is 5.0 gen
tom901207 1 year ago
4.5 Generation?
Does it have reduced RCS measures? Does it have an advance PESA/AESA?
Get real, its a failure. India would be much better investing in it as an advanced trainer.
2129261184 1 year ago
@2129261184 it is an Indian 4.5 generation. it is 2.5 gen by USA standard. the formula is
indian number = Y
Common standard = X
X= Y - 2
SmallShark 1 year ago
@SmallShark Hahahahhaa! LOL
2129261184 1 year ago
LCA is a mig21++ aircraft, NOT fourth generation, NOT all weather, NOT what we want: IAF chief.
LCA is a multirole air superiority 4.5th gen fighter: HAL, indian media and indians
LOL, go figure.
shumayelahmed 1 year ago
Chinese J-20 首飞 fighter flight[1] 中国歼20战机
ssss12598 1 year ago
now that the so called indigenous LCA has been forcefully given IOC followed by huge compromises by IAF, the news coming in from IAF chief itself are: LCA is not a 4th gen fighter, is not an all weather aircraft, has compromised avionics plus many other "advantages". uh well, so much for a 4.5th gen fighter. i wouldnt be surprised if indians called it a 7th gen fighter - on papers ofcourse.
shumayelahmed 1 year ago
India is one of the only major countries of the world that has been been unable to design and manufacture its own planes, tanks and missiles that work. The Key word is “work’. India has struggled for over two decades in designing the Tejas and it is not close to flight trials. The LCA, the Arjun, Trishul, Akash and other missiles are the same failed stories. It purchased hundreds of Flying Coffins which it could neither maintain nor fly.
aviatormikehunter 1 year ago
@aviatormikehunter do they also import rifle and ammo?
SmallShark 1 year ago
LCA is the cow,various Indians have milked.In India,where sleaze,graft and corruption are the order of the day,it is not at all surprising.Tejas, which is already 25 years behind schedule & under perpetual development.After a decade of false starts,abject failures,Tejas remains a but of jokes among the engineers,journalists and scientists in the aviation industry.Officials say the aircraft has failed to meet performance requirements laid down by the service for the limited-profile Mk.1platform.
pafsbzkhan 1 year ago
@pafsbzkhan Haha.you pakistanis cant just digest someone's progress,coz u cannot even manufacture safety pins on your own.Tejas was behind schedule,but its technology is in modern,keeping with the times.But since pakistanis have no intelligence,or a knack for truthful knowledge its worthless to teach or tell you rags something.Tejas is the new boy to whip you people out, like the IAF has been doing all these years..PS : U losers !..hahaha
INDIAUNITEDFOREVER 1 year ago
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Few very bitter facts about this Failed project which is now known as LAST CHANCE AIRCRAFT.
1. LCA cant even pull more than 17 degrees AOA meaning it has a limited angle of attack JF-17 can pull the same amount as a F-16.
2. LCA isn't even for all weathers recently in an airshow in India in 2009 LCA wasn't able to take off in rain.
3. Its too costly meaning its no longer a replacement for ur flying coffins.
khanf7pg 1 year ago 5
@khanf7pg nice alternate accounts. it is very easy to see that both your comments have 5 thumbs up.
tansin9 1 year ago
24 pakis hate this video lol :d
akshaygupta37 1 year ago
@khanf7pg but its enough to fuck pakis
gauravzerogravity 1 year ago
@khanf7pg a be saale tere ko kis chutia ne bol diya ki a aircraft 17 degrees pull nahi kar sakta hai bas tum log afwah failaane k kaam atain ho hahahahaa. sapne lete raho tum log hahaha
123456787654321ize 11 months ago
4. It has been 27 years and u only have produced 6 prototypes.
5. Its engine has problems it can only give 85 KN but the requirement of IAF is 95-100 KN
6. Its also got thrust problems.
7. Its 1.5 tones more heavily than planned.
8. LCA at present is only pulling 8 Gs and IAF's requirement is at least 9 GS.
9. Because of engine and thrust problems it can’t even carry full load of weapons.
10. LCA needs new engine means the whole plane is require to redesign.
khanf7pg 1 year ago
The indigenous LCA Tejas will use the Ordnance Factory Board’s Gasha internal gun replacing the current GSh-23.
lightquick1 1 year ago
The LCA only took 5 years to develop (1990-1995), and its fly-by-wire system took 6 years (1992-1998). The aircraft was not flown for years because of American and British sanctions. The F404-GE-IN20 was available only in 2004 for the LSP-2! A.D.A. since then is only modifying the Tejas, not developing. The Americans took 20 years to develop the F-22’s engine. LCA’s performance is better than the early Gripen ‘C’ model and incomparably better than the Joint-Fuck JF-17. LCA MK-2 will be amazing.
lightquick1 1 year ago
LCA = Late Combat Aircraft
ShameelBaloch 1 year ago 2
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The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you "
skvicknesh 1 year ago
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The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you "
skvicknesh 1 year ago
In IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the F-5 Freedom Fighter or the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
TheWarriorsMr 1 year ago 2
nice...LCA was on CBC news today in Canada! heh :)
TheMilitarypower 1 year ago
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The famous Raj Kapoor number Mera joota hai Japani, yeh patloon Englishstani, sar pe lal topi Roosi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustani sums up the Light Combat Aircraft which failed to take off due to a ‘‘technical snag’’ at the Aero India show in Bangalore. India’s ‘indigenous’ LCA comes with an American engine, on wing panels imported from Italy and avionics, navigational aids and radars from France, Israel and Sweden but still unable to become operation and going to be a failed project.
AmericanRaptor1 1 year ago 5
@AmericanRaptor1 you have a point although the parts that you mention does not matter much. Making such aircraft is no easy deal, countries that have mastered the art have taken years and years to refine the design and performance. India should perhaps learn from china which has simply duplicated various ex soviet and Russian jets at its own, which are proven designs and are expected to perform well as a machine, although they may lack the advance avionics and precision that developed lately.
AnotherAnalyst 1 year ago
@AmericanRaptor1 LCA is the cow,various Indians have milked.In India,where sleaze,graft and corruption are the order of the day,it is not at all surprising.Tejas,which is already 25 years behind schedule and has become obsolete.After a decade of false starts,abject failures,Tejas remains a but of jokes among the engineers,journalists and scientists in aviation industry.Officials say it has failed to meet performance requirements laid down by the service for the limited-profile Mk.1platform.
bestfighterpilot 1 year ago 2
@bestfighterpilot LCA is not the best aircraft around but it was a very brave attempt on the part of HAL and ADA to create this aircraft without much technical assistance from foreign countries. India had to develop lot of technologies indigenously after the sanction against india because of the nuclear tests. True, not everything went according to the plan but the experience that the ADA and other organisations gained out of it is immense and proves the indigenous capabilities of india.
vidsurfer111 10 months ago
@AmericanRaptor1 so u proved ur a madarchod.How can a pakistani beggar be an american raptor
generalkunal 10 months ago
LCA has taken 25 years for its development and it still not ready to induct. The Tejas was supposed to have replaced the Mig 21s, MiG23s and MiG27s 20 years ago. The Tejas has yet to reach production status.Instead, it continues to perform endless flight tests and most of those are failed. Difficulties with flight controls & power plant continues to be plagued with technical difficulties, the worst of which was the collapse of the engine during high-altitude tests.
ImFlyingEagle 1 year ago 2
The indigenous LCA Tejas will use the Ordnance Factory Board’s Gasha internal gun replacing the current GSh-23.
lightquick1 1 year ago
The LCA only took 5 years to develop (1990-1995), and its fly-by-wire system took 6 years (1992-1998). The aircraft was not flown for years because of American and British sanctions. The F404-GE-IN20 was available only in 2004 for the LSP-2! A.D.A. since then is only modifying the Tejas, not developing. The Americans took 20 years to develop the F-22’s engine. LCA’s performance is better than the early Gripen ‘C’ model and incomparably better than the Joint-Fuck JF-17. LCA MK-2 will be amazing.
lightquick1 1 year ago
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lightquick1 1 year ago
LCA specifications
Empty: 5.5t
Loaded: 8.5t (3 tons of fuel)
MTOW: 13.5t (5 tons of payload)
Thrust (dry/wet): GE F404 (11,250/19,100); GTX-35vs (???/22,500)
Thrust/weight: F404 (1.02); GTX-35vs (1.2)
ALL THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE CORRECT AS I HAVE SPEND MONTHS TO FIND THE TRUTH FROM SEVERAL SOURCES. Even some figures published by ADA were NOT true, so I had to spend additional time to find out the real numbers.
EAST OR WEST, INDIA IS THE BEST!
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lightquick1 1 year ago
LCA has some major problems as it seems now, the most important one being a lack of thrust, the testflights have only reached M1.2 and 4Gs, not exactly impressive for a multi-role fighter. The Indians don´t know which engine to fit in the LCA since their "indigenous" Kaveri-engine is years from working, if it will work at all. Jet-engine companies from both Russia and France have trying to fix it, but it seems to be at a dead end.
flanker35su 1 year ago
As for as LCA is concerned its a piece of junk,if we can benift from existing technologies why don’t try it.why are we rigid and that’s the reason india has become such a country, whose every indigenous project ended in failure with the waste of thousands of failed hours. Now india wants to induct LCA as soon as possible in IAF even with its limited capability and defects just to save its FACE.IAF has decide to induct 20 LCAs by 2017 with limited capability even lower then MiG21.
flanker35su 1 year ago 2
You Pakistanis talk so much shit with out create NOTHING by yourself. I dear Pakistan to create a car let along a damn fighter jet.
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago 17
@JacobTheIndoAmerican tell them to make n indigenous ball bearing lol
MrQwertyui12345678 1 year ago
LCA has taken 25 years for its development and it still not ready to induct. The Tejas was supposed to have replaced the Mig 21s, MiG23s and MiG27s 20 years ago. The Tejas has yet to reach production status.Instead, it continues to perform endless flight tests and most of those are failed. Difficulties with flight controls & power plant continues to be plagued with technical difficulties, the worst of which was the collapse of the engine during high-altitude tests performed at a Russian base.
khanf7pg 1 year ago 2
@khanf7pg It has dont its last user trails. Yesterday, IOC is do in the year. India didnt have the right infrastructure to create such a plane at the time, so it had to start from the bottom up.This is India's first real effort to create a fighter jet, with pretty much no experience.And the fact the budget for the plane at start was very small compared to others until its economic growth recently it has put more money into it.And PLUS USA's sanctions on India didnt help the development either.
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
LCA will be a reality by 2050, MCA by 3050...go india go...
shumayelahmed 1 year ago
Every time when India announces to make something u rush into making that (ex is India-TATA nano and Pakistan-sitara)..JF17 is born wid same reason.jf is totally china made.engine from russia(outdated engine by d way).additionally avionics programming is in C++(haha..lolz these chinese can go to any level to make their products cheap and dats exactly why they r not reliable at all).furthermore it'll need extensive maintainance(metal body).well all d best f luck porkis wid literally junk fighter
RockyMalhotra2 1 year ago
In IAF there is a divide on LCA. Some want to turn the LCA into a advanced jet trainer due to its failure as multirole fighter, others are still convinced that it could be a success and some want to produce despite its drawbacks and just use it as a point defense fighter like the F-5 Freedom Fighter or the MiG-21 (which it is suppose to replace). Now that would be a achievement, producing a 1960´s MiG-21 kind of fighter in 2015.
AmericanRaptor1 1 year ago
@AmericanRaptor1 India is just making its false claims for LCA in order to influence the the world due to its failure. LCA will be outdated by the time it comes out in full production and India induct it into the services completely by 2015.What a waste of time and money. I can’t figure out India when it comes to projects like Arjun and LCA. The Arjun-project started in 1972 and now almost 40 years later all they have to show for are prototypes, same story with LCA.
Howard0Hughes 1 year ago
@Howard0Hughes ha ha.... look who is talking... F22 development started in 1986... and now the aircraft is already outdated and US gov has stopped production of the aircraft.... sooo funny...
Jack88821 1 year ago
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Jack88821 1 year ago
@AmericanRaptor1 thats funny... HA HA.. F22- Development started 1986 and 2009 production of the aircraft halted... thats says a lot about that plane... :)
Jack88821 1 year ago
Actually, LCA will never get to fight in the air.Coz even after 25 years it is struggling with its engine which is the heart of any plan. LCA is an aircraft which is denied by the air force which it was made for. There is nothing in LCA that India has made, except for solving the puzzle and putting it together successfuly, about 8 of them are for the museum. Right now it has no hope.
ImFlyingEagle 1 year ago
@ImFlyingEagle for ur kind information that lca wouldnt make it in war because of engine u should know that tejas mk1 has ge404 which would be replaced by ge414 and kaveri is a success it is tested in russia and its a success
MrAri1988 1 year ago
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Tejas rules Porkies skies all the time. Below 4 comments are from the same person with 3 diff ID's, just ignore him! He is one desp Muslim cunt who wants to become a Hindu. His main objective is to troll every video to belittle Tejas completely knowing the fact the Tejas is far more superior to Junk Fighter -10 which has crashed 4 times killing 3 chinese pilots. But, what to say, apparently "ignorance is bliss" for porkies, illusion is all they have right now. Tejas rules!
TheBharath2010 1 year ago