@Timothyk11 "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water." James 3:9-12 I agree with your passion. But please, present the message with urgency and dignity.
Wow, this guy is dishonest as can be. They are already giving credance to Jesus existing, those miracles happening, and the bible being absolutely correct. Uuuuhhhhhhh........ How about proving any one of those outlandish assertions first.
This is an obviously staged debate, that guy on the left would get destroyed by an actual atheist no matter the experience of that atheist.
You do not find making assertions based on no evidence with regards to things we know are impossible outlandish? I could use other words like stupid, ignorant, absurd, counter intuitive... We already know that the bible is not absolutely correct, we know that Jesus (if he actually existed) did not exist in the way depicted in the bible, we also know that those miracles cannot be shown to have happened let alone be shown that they actually can happen. Hence outlandish assertions.
Feralus69@ You say that we know that the Bible is not absolutely correct and that we know Jesus did not exist in the way dipicted in the Bible. My question is how do you know these staments are fact? You yourself said that assertions boased on no evidance is outlandish. What evidance do you have that proves your view of Jesus is right and that my, Christian worldview, is wrong
I created a video about Eternal Hell - God loves you. It's a best hell on youtube. Watching of it will motivate Christians to pray more and pay more money to priests to go to heaven
The Gospels and just like different movie versions of the same story. Every author puts his own spin on the core plotline. Over time hearsay turns into accepted fact.2000 years from now, Harry Potter might be seen as the new Messiah if we were to fall into another dark age and Rowling's books managed to be preserved by some dilligent archivists or isolated communities.
My experiences do not prove anything to you, but the changed lives around the world since the inception of Christianity in the very least build evidence (but again they prove nothing).
In the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus the rich man wants Abraham to send someone back from the dead to tell his brothers to get saved. He doesn't want them to go to the same Hell he is in.
Abraham says, If they don't believe the bible, a miracle will not convince them.
It sure would go a long way, but I would also want to understand the cellular processes involved with re-growing a limb rather than just use the vague term of "miracle".
BTW your parable is just creating straw men for your nonsensical argument. The story of Lazarus never happened -- it's just a story like the Greek myth of Orpheus and Eurydice.
It would seem you claim to have knowledge of which there is no possible way you could have it. How do you know the story of the Rich Man never happened? This seems like a 'I hope the story of the rich man never happened'.
But like I said, it doesn't matter if God re-grew both your legs and all your toes. If it happened you would not surrender your life to Jesus.
It only shows how hard your heart is. You will never die to yourself and live for God until you see that you deserve punishment.
If you're going to use the Lazarus parable as the basis of the argument, it's up to you to prove that it was real and not some made up stuff to scare kids and the ignorant. It is YOU who have the hardened heart because you are too quick to condemn me, know nothing about me, on the basis that I don't accept your vague notions about the god of the bible.
Also, the question is how can 4 people be contemporaries of jesus and write at least 40 years after his death, that would put them at an age that no-one was surviving to during those days. Certainly if they were old and could write, there whould be good histories written of them by Roman historians
Actually god is NO explanation for anything. You must explain "god" first in definite terms before you can effectively use that concept to meaninfully explain anything. Otherwise you can relace "god" with any mythical figure and make the same senseless argument.
The bible describes God, all we need to know about Him.
Evidence for God
Have you ever seen something come from nothing?
There very first unit of matter had to have come from something, therefore there must have been a Creator before there was a creation. Sometimes it is too simple for people to really understand it, but the universe itself is evidence of a Creator.
No it isn't. and there are many more less ignorant explantions for the origins of the universe. "God" as an explanation for anything is for the lazy mind.
I do not mean to sound offensive but these comments do not allow for any in depth explanations, therefore mycomments will have to be short and to the point.
There is no explantation other than God for the creation of the universe. You have no explanations for it and if you do they are probably so ludricous you were to afraid to share them.
Let me add this. I think the real reason you deny God is becuase if God exists then you will be judged by Him, and you know exactly what you deserve.
Your "explanation" is one made out of ignorance giving nothing as to the nature of a god or how it createed this universe. I'm not trying to say there's a full explanation of existence yet but the scientific efforts have done far more for our understanding of the universe than any ancient, cultural documents have ever done. The bible tells you to turn your mind off and trust in a god that performs weak miracles, reveals nothing of its true nature and favors one cultural group over others.
@Timothyk11 "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water." James 3:9-12 I agree with your passion. But please, present the message with urgency and dignity.
Frankdude1000 2 months ago
Wow, this guy is dishonest as can be. They are already giving credance to Jesus existing, those miracles happening, and the bible being absolutely correct. Uuuuhhhhhhh........ How about proving any one of those outlandish assertions first.
This is an obviously staged debate, that guy on the left would get destroyed by an actual atheist no matter the experience of that atheist.
Feralus69 11 months ago
@Feralus69 What makes them outlandish?
Frankdude1000 2 months ago
@Frankdude1000
You do not find making assertions based on no evidence with regards to things we know are impossible outlandish? I could use other words like stupid, ignorant, absurd, counter intuitive... We already know that the bible is not absolutely correct, we know that Jesus (if he actually existed) did not exist in the way depicted in the bible, we also know that those miracles cannot be shown to have happened let alone be shown that they actually can happen. Hence outlandish assertions.
Feralus69 1 month ago
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Feralus69@ You say that we know that the Bible is not absolutely correct and that we know Jesus did not exist in the way dipicted in the Bible. My question is how do you know these staments are fact? You yourself said that assertions boased on no evidance is outlandish. What evidance do you have that proves your view of Jesus is right and that my, Christian worldview, is wrong
Frankdude1000 1 month ago
Liberalism what is THAT? Liberal in relation to WHAT? How can you be liberal in relation to RIGHTEOUSNESS?
These men who mismanage their work are the equals of vandals! (Proverb 18:9)
amlach1 2 years ago
I created a video about Eternal Hell - God loves you. It's a best hell on youtube. Watching of it will motivate Christians to pray more and pay more money to priests to go to heaven
xgalba00 3 years ago
Christianity is fantasy
xgalba00 3 years ago
The Gospels and just like different movie versions of the same story. Every author puts his own spin on the core plotline. Over time hearsay turns into accepted fact.2000 years from now, Harry Potter might be seen as the new Messiah if we were to fall into another dark age and Rowling's books managed to be preserved by some dilligent archivists or isolated communities.
destronia123 3 years ago
Try spontaneously regrowing a limb and maybe I might listen to you.
What you "experience" in your own mind is no evidence for anything.
destronia123 3 years ago
My experiences do not prove anything to you, but the changed lives around the world since the inception of Christianity in the very least build evidence (but again they prove nothing).
In the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus the rich man wants Abraham to send someone back from the dead to tell his brothers to get saved. He doesn't want them to go to the same Hell he is in.
Abraham says, If they don't believe the bible, a miracle will not convince them.
A limb will not convince you.
SlikRik115 3 years ago
It sure would go a long way, but I would also want to understand the cellular processes involved with re-growing a limb rather than just use the vague term of "miracle".
BTW your parable is just creating straw men for your nonsensical argument. The story of Lazarus never happened -- it's just a story like the Greek myth of Orpheus and Eurydice.
destronia123 3 years ago
It would seem you claim to have knowledge of which there is no possible way you could have it. How do you know the story of the Rich Man never happened? This seems like a 'I hope the story of the rich man never happened'.
But like I said, it doesn't matter if God re-grew both your legs and all your toes. If it happened you would not surrender your life to Jesus.
It only shows how hard your heart is. You will never die to yourself and live for God until you see that you deserve punishment.
SlikRik115 3 years ago
If you're going to use the Lazarus parable as the basis of the argument, it's up to you to prove that it was real and not some made up stuff to scare kids and the ignorant. It is YOU who have the hardened heart because you are too quick to condemn me, know nothing about me, on the basis that I don't accept your vague notions about the god of the bible.
destronia123 3 years ago
Also, the question is how can 4 people be contemporaries of jesus and write at least 40 years after his death, that would put them at an age that no-one was surviving to during those days. Certainly if they were old and could write, there whould be good histories written of them by Roman historians
hergen20 4 years ago
what? I don't understand. What evidence? could you elaborate to something that i can put my hands on...
hergen20 4 years ago 2
the universe is evidence of God.
There is no other explanation.
SlikRik115 4 years ago
Actually god is NO explanation for anything. You must explain "god" first in definite terms before you can effectively use that concept to meaninfully explain anything. Otherwise you can relace "god" with any mythical figure and make the same senseless argument.
destronia123 3 years ago
The bible describes God, all we need to know about Him.
Evidence for God
Have you ever seen something come from nothing?
There very first unit of matter had to have come from something, therefore there must have been a Creator before there was a creation. Sometimes it is too simple for people to really understand it, but the universe itself is evidence of a Creator.
Replace your view of God with that of the bible.
SlikRik115 3 years ago 2
No it isn't. and there are many more less ignorant explantions for the origins of the universe. "God" as an explanation for anything is for the lazy mind.
destronia123 3 years ago
I do not mean to sound offensive but these comments do not allow for any in depth explanations, therefore mycomments will have to be short and to the point.
There is no explantation other than God for the creation of the universe. You have no explanations for it and if you do they are probably so ludricous you were to afraid to share them.
Let me add this. I think the real reason you deny God is becuase if God exists then you will be judged by Him, and you know exactly what you deserve.
SlikRik115 3 years ago
Your "explanation" is one made out of ignorance giving nothing as to the nature of a god or how it createed this universe. I'm not trying to say there's a full explanation of existence yet but the scientific efforts have done far more for our understanding of the universe than any ancient, cultural documents have ever done. The bible tells you to turn your mind off and trust in a god that performs weak miracles, reveals nothing of its true nature and favors one cultural group over others.
destronia123 3 years ago