Christians by definition are believers in the New Testament. While parts of the Old Testament are disfunct some points remain valid. Analogous to Newtonian Mechanics and General Relativity.
From a simple google search of the verse, it is evidently hard to translate original context from Hebrew to English. FYI the Old Testament is the "realm" of Judaism so you might take your question to fluent hebrew speaking people.
Religion and false belief, are in our opinions, the single most devastating placebo effects the world has ever known. For Christians ask the Atheists questions, we will ask you all one that you may not have ever heard: Genesis 6:4 - "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown". Explain that verse if you know your bible so well
On the US dollar, can you locate an "all seeing eye" represented as a pyramid capstone? At the base of the pyramid, can you find Latin words which translate to a New World Order? Illuminati symbolism, so easily documented a 5th grade student writing first research paper, can easily write a factual report. Illuminati, have a special label for brain dead, mind controlled sheeple. Laugh it up class, your ass is featured on their menu with mint jelly.
As an atheist, I understand that some people need God(s). If it takes God(s) to keep someone from committing suicide or some criminal act, then I'd be careful with the process of helping some free his/her mind. Some people are simply not ready to let go. The very notion that God(s) is a dillusion is traumatic and frightening to some people. It's hard to anticipate what becomes of such a person.
Not cruel, to the point. There was nothing Dawkins can say to convince someone who is so far gone from common sense that they think like that, so he said it like it is to make the guy go away.
@neoman121 Richard Dawkins has a reputation of being very rude and blunt with his statments and as a result any comment he makes is going to seem like it's leaning towards rudeness, much like no matter what Sarah Palin says it's probably going to sound kinda stupid because of the bias of the listener.
If people who believe in an intelligent creator are hallucinating, then they're doing it 24/7. And if they are hallucinating night and day, they should be institutionalized or given meds to make the hallucinations stop. I know of no drug that can do this in regard to spiritual beliefs to begin with, but if one existed would you want the government to force people to take it? Or are you going to say their delusions/hallucinations are of no threat to anyone but themselves?
@kenleycloud A belief in an intelligent creator isn't an hallucination - it's a false belief.
Hallucinations are the manifestation of false perceptions in the absence of a stimulus - like seeing the virgin mary standing by the roadside as you travel to church. Or maybe feeling the Lord's hand on your shoulder or head as you pray.
@fingleur1 So exactly what hallucinatory experience was Dawkins referring to in his reply to the Christian in the video? The Christian didn't mention having any of those particular "false perceptions". I think Dawkins was referring to the man's overall belief that he "walks with Jesus". What else could it have been?
@kenleycloud Dawkins There's a possibility he was just being poetic and by saying he's met the living christ and has walked with him for 50 years - he means nothing of the sort.
If he'd said he has an imaginary friend and imagines being with him, then that's quite different. I'm doing that right now. It's surprisingly easy and probably quite harmless.
@kenleycloud Yes, I get that; 'met' as in - 'not really met, but properly imagined meeting'.
I dare say that's the best way quite often - a bit like watching a film based on your favourite book. The film, or reality, never gets close to the job your imagination can do with a good story.
HUMAN MIND IS EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO HALLUCINATION - so true.
we never challenge the concept of god which we are taught as kids, we readily accept it and grow up with that in mind n now if i tell u that the god in which u believe in is not real but that of some other religion is real, u will mock him and his stories. it is all about perception.
Additionally, you're telling me nothing new. I address the fact that General Relativity is a theory and that is becoming obsolete. Read for comprehension please. I don't need someone telling me what I have stated previously.
[ I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out the fact that your recent post is irrelevent]
Do you actually have an understanding of the higher concepts of mathematics and physical sciences, or did you read a "Brief History of Time[etc etc...]" and generate an opinion?
[ my intent hear is to find out what you actually know, not to insult you]
General relativity is just a theory, not emprical proof. A theory that fits scientific observation which is t he only reason we continue to use it. I might add that there is mounting concern for its... "continued relevence". Additionally, General relativity as it is cannot explain the universe, nor can either of the other pillars of modern science. Do well to remember those facts.
Carl Sagan once said, "absense of proof is not proof of absense."
@1R0QU012 "General relativity is just a theory, not emprical proof"
Absolutely, general relativity isn't proof of anything. It's a scientific theory that explains our observations and allows predictions to be made. Until anyone comes up with a better theory, General Relativity stands as the pinnacle of our human knowledge in that subject.
Can you find an "all seeing eye" as the capstone of a pyramid on the US dollar? The all seeing eye of Horus/Lucifer/Satan and at the base of that pyramid are Latin words that translate to, a New World Order. The Illuminati are so easily documented, a 5th grader writing their first research paper could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a name for the mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up class, cause your ass is on their menu with mint jelly.
On the US dollar, can you locate an "all seeing eye" represented as a pyramid capstone? At the base of the pyramid, can you find Latin words which translate to a New World Order? Illuminati symbolism, so easily documented a 5th grade elementary student writing first research paper, could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a special label for mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up class, your ass is featured on their menu with mint jelly.
An Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Who Attack Countries & Who Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
Fact - Adam Smith, deliberately used the metaphor "Invisible Hand" as synonymous with God.
If Adam Smith, had used the word God instead of the metaphor "Invisble Hand", we'd be asking who was Adam Smith, but the Principle of Self Interest, Laws of Supply & Demand and the "Invisible Hand"/God would all still exist.
@0fficerFarVa Well, evolutions, unlike creationists, have hordes of evidence (proof that can be proved, felt, touched etc). So if a christian tells an evolution that he is hallucinating (like some do), they're considered moronic.
@0fficerFarVa Well, evolutionists, unlike creationists, have hordes of evidence (proof that can be proved, felt, touched etc). So if a christian tells an evolution that he is hallucinating (like some do), they're considered moronic.
@0fficerFarVa "so a christian can tell an evolutionist that he is just hallucinating"
Only if you think that the hundreds of thousands of fossils in museums and universities around the world are mass hallucinations. Did you know there is a difference between evidence and hallucinations? Yeah. There is.
Fundamental Logic 101. A commitment to the truth (only sane choice), inherently expands to include all possibilities. Arbitrary dismissal of a possibility, breaches that commitment as a fatal logic error, proving themselves fundamentally insane liars & frauds. When Atheist/Satanists dismiss God as a possibility, they breach their commitment to the truth, resulting in the mindfucked insanity to argue justifying a lie, is rational behavior.
A religion by definition is a superstition. A religion is the belief in a supernatural being or beings. A superstition is the belief in supernatural magic or phenomena beyond or outside of nature. A religious belief is a superstitious belief. A common symptom of religion is delusion, sometimes with hallucinations. But face it, you are not coming back. Well, no one has yet, with any convincing evidence, and an awful lot of people have died. Bracing truth is better than false hope
No. I don't believe in higher dimensions. Multiple dimensions have some evidence on paper when it comes to quantum mechanics, but since they can't be empirically verified there is not a scientific consensus on the matter. General relativity does, but not quantum mechanics. But there is more evidence growing everyday.
No, belief in anything magical or imaginary is irrational.
July 7, 09 the Piltdown Pope personally delivered an ecclesiastic letter to the G8 Conference directing they gather the Nations of the earth & appoint a single moral authority as dictator (Anti-Christ). Press opted to cover M Jackson funeral. Vatican affirmation of evolution, heralded as an outward invitation to heal the division, is a TWISTED EVIL DENUNCIATION OF GOD & THE HOLY BIBLE. Satanists/Atheists received invitation to the Catholic (obtuse Christian) Church, they can't refuse.
Dawkins is a Professor that made a public statement that is a complete and total lie. Absolutely no Medical or Scientific data or studies support his statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination". A statement such as that by an illiterate ignoramus could be understood considering the source. From someone holding the title of Professor, his lie is a complete disgrace to the institution who awarded him that degree.
@waketheoblivious The human mind IS succeptible to hallucinations wakey - or do you think that the Hindu's who claim to have seen Ganesh really did see an elephant headed godess?
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@beaster29 <------------- Fucking ignoramus. If his life depended on it, he could not find a single credible scientific or medical journal that supports the statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination".
Dawkins got caught in a bold faced lie and is an absolute disgrace to the institution that awarded him that degree.
beaster29, decided to pop on a red nose, some big floppy shoes and entertain us all as a pathetic clown, that chooses to publicly display his ignorance.
@waketheoblivious Post operative Psychosis? Magic mushrooms? Dreaming?
There are too many examples of human minds being susceptible to hallucination to quote. The only reason you could of not found any is because you haven't looked.
Oh no Mr. convenience the quote is "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination" and that is absolute bullshit unsupported by any Medical or Scientific study that supports such a ridiculous claim. You are the 5th lying fraud who has attempted to truncate the quote and offer a ridiculous justification for his bold faced bullshit. Even those who induce hallucination are are a small fraction of the population, the majority are by no means extremely susceptible.
@waketheoblivious How many cases of mass hysteria would you like me to list? Do you want to include apparitional experiences, out-of-body experiences, lucid dreams, hallucinations in bereavement, senses of presence - 'i'm being watched'
Hallucinations are so common only a complete twat would try and argue otherwise!
Look you ignoramus. Support the statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination" with any credible scientific journal or study. This ain't difficult. I could give a flying fuck how you care to rationalize and justify your insanity. I don't give a fuck if your buddy took acid, your brothers in rehab or any other remote example of miscellaneous horseshit. Science, provide concrete objective facts that support the damn statement. Fuck your opinion.
@waketheoblivious I challenge you to find a credible scientific journal or study that says humans are susceptible to stubbing their toes. You can't, so therefore humans don't stub their toes. right?
'Thinking' like a Creationist doesn't actually require much thought does it?
@neverfearchrisishere Nope, it’s not working. “can” hallucinate....? “during their lifetime”...? Chemically induced huh? Ya don’t say. I would like to see the article. PSYCHICAL Research??? Rate of suscpeptibility?........................... Ugh. Do you have a hall pass? .
@kenleycloud /sigh PSYCHICAL is the former title of Psychology.. Which if you had enough learning on this subject to be overruling people on this topic, YOU WOULD KNOW. Rate of susceptibility hasn't been studied for psilocybin - the agent in magic mushroom that causes halucinations - because susceptibility is 100 percent in healthy subjects. There have been numerous studies on this chemical - which you have been too lazy and busy insulting to look for,
@waketheoblivious You have the numbers mixed up, the vast majority of the population is is EXTREMELY susceptible to hallucination. You only have to walk home though a poorly lit street for the mind to start doubting and second guessing.
Professor Benny Shanon from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has an interesting theory on Moses - that he was high on a hallucinogen found in the Acacia tree during his "encounters" in sinai.
@waketheoblivious wow, you're completely ignoring the fact that the human brain's job is to derive meaning from events. We've seen repeatedly within the scientific community and the population at large that hallucinations are in fact rampant. The presence of hallucinations are due to the brain's ability to make the same thing mean more than one thing (known as symbolic reasoning). Pigs can't read text or realize I'm being literally ambiguous when I tell you "You are a pussy"
@waketheoblivious Do you know how many quack doctors there are? How many fake medical treatments there are? Yeah, this, my dear, is exactly the same hallucinatory thinking that religious people use.
The difference is the psychological reward. When you take the quack doctor's advice and it doesn't work, you respond by not asking for his advice again.
Christianity, in particular, is incredibly rewarding. I know: I was Christian. It's also a big fat lie.
How do you operate in a world filled with hallucinations? You cling on to what is proven to work. Religion appears to work for some people, but the problem is that on a large scale (globally) religion doesn't work. It causes groups to hate and kill each other, to proclaim themselves more correct than the next, etc.
Your opinion is a collection of TV sitcom bullshit. Hard to imagine someone so brain dead still has a pulse. Seriously, you ever actually read anything and formed your own opinion or do you wait to figure out what all the brain dead consider popular opinion then automatically agree, like a well trained sheeple. I got news for you, the Truth is available in abundance, but you can't resist the urge to pop on your red nose and floppy shoes, long enough to realize you are on the menu.
Turn over a US Dollar Bill. See that "all seeing eye" as the capstone on the Pyramid? That is the all seeing eye of Horus/Lucifer and at the base of that Pyramid are Latin words that translate to a New World Order. The Illuminati are so heavily documented a 5th grader writing their first research paper could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a name for the mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up funny boy cause your ass is on their menu with mint jelly.
@waketheoblivious "Dawkins is a Professor that made a public statement that is a complete and total lie. Absolutely no Medical or Scientific data or studies support his statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination"." Ehm, sorry but you're wrong there. 'Hallucinations: The Science of Idiosyncratic Perception
By André Aleman and Frank Larøi' Is just one psychological book that explains how and why humans are susceptible to hallucination.
BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, we have a scientific Theory being taught as fact in Public Schools that has never legitimately met the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence". The Evil Illusion was sustained by a series of more diabolical frauds and the only support for this Evil Illusion comes from NAZI Satanists posing as wretched Insane Atheists. The lurid history of Evolution is so sickening, it is a disgrace to all of science and a monumental ORCHESTRATED CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
@waketheoblivious Once you actually understand the difference between fact and theory and have managed to debunk evolution,abusing, you have a point. Until then please stop making an ass out of yourself.
The very French Jesuit Priest responsible for manufacturing the Piltdown Man HOAX (1913-53), as the "missing link" which could bypass school board objection to teaching science fiction as fact, followed that up with the diabolical Peking Man Fraud. Not only did science fail severely in allowing a HOAX to satisfy the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence", it allowed the same Jesuit Priest responsible for the Hoax to sustain the Evil Illusion with another diabolical FRAUD.
An Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Who Attack Countries & Who Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
@waketheoblivious I want to thank you on behalf of all of the atheists and Christians who argue against creationism on these threads. You Bill are one of our greatest friends and assets. So I just wanted to express my appreciation - I can't imagine how anybody could do a better job of depicting creationists as insane, intollerant dribbling nutjobs as you do.
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Exactly the same way I tell people about religion. If you say you've seen God, spoke with God, played Scrabble with God, whatever, fine. I'm in no position to say "No you didn't." But if you've never done any of those things, and your only reason to believe is because your parents told you so or your church told you so, then I ask you to think, does this make sense.
Thomaseshuis there is a book Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson-Regal Books 1981 that talks about this monotheism. The Karen in Burma til 1825 had this religion&the Gheddio in south central Ethiopia until 1948, Ancient China has this til 1000 B.C the book explains more also Arthur Custance has a book on this first religion, this monotheism of the God of the Bible, this other aspect of religion of the Bible older than either Judaism/Christianity Authur Custance books are on-line check it.
@RonSafreed "Thomaseshuis there is a book Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson-Regal Books 1981 that talks about this monotheism." And which proves nothing about the reliability of the biblical stories.
It tells us that there have been many monotheistic religions throughout history. Which we're very varied. China had different theisms during that period, not just one.
It also completely ignores the fact that polytheism is just as old and commonplace.
@RonSafreed "this monotheism of the God of the Bible, this other aspect of religion of the Bible older than either Judaism/Christianity Authur Custance books are on-line check it." I checked his bio and criticism.
It seems most of his work on the historicity of the bible and Christianity is based assertions and assumptions with little evidence to support them.
That is exactly how we freethinkers have to start treating the delusional, brainwashed fools. Religion deserves no respect and we have to stop giving it any serious consideration.
Here's the way I see it: most religions are the same, they just have a few "fill in the blank" spots. The names "Zeus" "Allah" and "Jesus" are insignificant. The belief in a superior being is the fundamental part, and Dawkins fails to address that. In the end it will all be preference. However, one thing is certain: A world entirely Theistic would fail. A world entirely Atheistic would fail.
@piemonkey321 "Here's the way I see it: most religions are the same, they just have a few "fill in the blank" spots.The belief in a superior being is the fundamental part, and Dawkins fails to address that."
Your completely ignoring the fact that the belief in the superior beings takes many forms.
@piemonkey321 Hellenic theism is way different than Abrahamic theism. The fact that people like to believe in a superior being does not prove there is one.
Just like people thinking the earth was flat proved to be wrong.
"A world entirely Atheistic would fail." How would the world fail if everyone did not believe in any gods?
if he bets his life on jesus being real, he claims that everyone on the planet who would do the same for THEIR supernatural friends is lying. how's that ?
There is another aspect of religion of the Bible than Judaism/Christianity&excisted in various cultures into the 19th&20th century. First in the Bible in Genesis from Adam to Abraham&really to Moses. Job in the book of Job lived centuries before Abraham but had the same God as Abraham. Cornelius in the book of Acts was neither Jew or Christian but neither was a pagan,heathen,or infidel but was called "devout". This devout monotheism was the origional religion of all peoples at one tme early hist
Europeans&Orientals have 2 things in common,a high degree of atheism&a very low birthrate below replacement population levels.In the course of this 21st century both groups will shrink drastically especially the whites so the number of atheist will also go as people die off. The blacks&muslims are exploding, they dont't have much atheism&it looks like there is not going to be any mass conversions soon. Why most atheist have few or no kids? Good atheist should have kids&have future family linage.
Man has 3 parts-body/soul/spirit. The Bible says man is in a fallen state. Aging/disease/death works in a man's body. Man's soul is lost&man is spiritually dead Man's soul is like am frequence,the spirit fm frequency.The only way that the spirit can be revived is to be "born"again" by coming into a relation with God through Jesus Christ. All true Christians have this spirit in them made alive, however now it is just turned on low like turning on an fm radio but the volume is down-low FYI.
In 1949 when Mao&the communist came to power in China, there were only 1 million Christians there. Mao was gung-ho on wiping out all religion in China After 63 years of an iron-fisted policy towards religion now there are 130 million Christians in China. Growing at a rate of 30000 a day. Mao wiped out much illiteracy but as literacy increased, the growth of Christianity went up too.We need some atheist missionaries to go&re-convert those Christian Chinese back to atheism 64% of China is atheist.
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university The Bible was illegal&it was illegal to teach it to kids Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible was put back in Russian schools Olga Lutsenko an atheist was the main one behind it Death threats made her to go to Canada in 96&she is a Christian now BTW she is on youtube&I support her work financially putting Bibles in Russian&Ukranian schools The Bible was absent 75 years in Russian schools now back 20 years
@RonSafreed: Screw that! I would support teaching the bible if it was done in an honest way. For example: "Here's a book. The things in it are not backed-up by any reputable archeology, science, or even grade 3 math. It has some sex and violence in it, and will tell you to cut off parts of your penis. Don't do anything it says, if you want to stay out of jail."
John Wycliffe1330-1385 who translated the Bible from Latin to middle English in 1382 felt that the Bible needed to be in the tongue&hands of the masses In 1442 his remains were dug up&a trial was held condemming him His bones were burned to powder&dumped in a river I read his lifestory&have the book Evil men in high places for 1000 years put the Bible under lock&key. Many clergy&all laity had no access to the Bible What Wycliffe was doing with the Bible was illegal then but he was never caught.
The Bible has only been accessible to the common man less than 500 years William Tyndale1498-1542 was the first to mass produce Bibles for the masses in 1525 using the printing press They cost a man's week wage He smuggled them to England from Belguim He was a wanted man betrayed&caught,tried&executed in Brussels He spoke 9 languages I read his lifestory&have the book It took 10 months to handwrite a Bible Evil men in high places put the Bible under lock&key 1000 years Clergy&laity had no access
Richard Dawkins makes a good point in as kind a way as I think it can be made. What would you say to an Adult who genuinely believes in Santa? That they're cute? Or that when their parents die they might find the number of gifts they receive on Christmas Day dries up a bit?
The man asking the question states that he has MET the risen christ?
So, I guess that means that jesus is still alive and walking around the earth?
Of course not, THIS is why the man is delusional.
Although I've met the miraculous Santa, I see him at the mall every year, so in reality, Santa is more real than jesus, the bloody rag doll hanging on a stick is where the myth belongs.
Jesus is NOT walking the earth, and does NOT live inside believers.
NO its not ! Its about trying to be straight, its about having more babies, its about putting the penis into the vagina because thats what God wants any man to do to any woman !
Love , what love ?
STupid people, God do not care whether there is love among men .. STUpid people.
@hardcoretam Be careful. You might have anti-semites or Christians coming in saying that those laws only applied to people of the Jewish faith, thereby making them "okay" to have been written in the Bible to begin with. :)
@Michael326 Oh i'm very familier with people with faith choosing only to use / beleive parts of religious books that suit them. I'm an Atheist myself and i started to read the Bible until i got to The Law. I've put it aside and started to read all the other ancient books as best as they can be translated to English, starting with the full texts of Genesis. It's a long quest, but hopefully it'll help me out with debates.
As a lifelong Christian and now Deist at best, I have given up on Christianity. The clear problem that I see after living it for 40 years, is that Christians want to push their belief 'in Christ' while what Jesus really told them to do was preach 'the good news' which was not Christ at all but was that Religion was wrong and that everyone should act in love and acceptance toward each other.
After attending 1000s of church services, I can say I've never seen anything happen that was not of man.
He is not being cruel just pompous as usual trying to use the straw man argument of putting Christianity on par with ancient mythology. And also using bad science that faith is based on delusion and hallucinations complete twaddle. He also has tried to put ID supported by scientists on par with creationism he has his on religion to defend atheism or secular humanism it might not have a deity but is has a creed and is on a crusade to dominate the west.
@lv4ev5 That's just special pleading isn't it? How can you say Christianity isn't ancient mythology but Hinduism or Buddhism or Jainism or Bahai'ism or Sikhism or Shintoism is?
@lv4ev5 "He is not being cruel just pompous as usual trying to use the straw man argument of putting Christianity on par with ancient mythology. " That's not a straw-man. Greek pantheism is just as valid as Christianity or any other religion for that matter. All have the same amount of evidence: 0.
"And also using bad science that faith is based on delusion and hallucinations complete twaddle." If he's wrong then it's faulty LOGIC, not science. And he isn't.
@lv4ev5 "He also has tried to put ID supported by scientists on par with creationism" Because it is exactly the same. ID isn't a scientific theory. It has no testable hypothesis, only assertions and arguments from ignorance.
The fact that a couple of Christian scientists support is means nothing. There are also Muslim scientists supporting extremists like the Taliban.
@lv4ev5 "he has his on religion to defend atheism"
Atheism isn't a religion, nor is defending a position.
"it might not have a deity but is has a creed" No it doesn't. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. That's not a creed, that's a name for a lack of a specific belief.
Please stop spouting nonsense, you're making a fool out of yourself.
I love it that when an atheist calls a theist out on their lack of evidence for their belief, they are being cruel. But when a theist tells an atheist they are going to burn in hell or suffer another evil afterlife, it's called 'caring'.
@thomaseshuis only ignorant christians do that but think about this wouldn't it suck if we just stop exising, so we die then some maggots have a good time eating our corpses and thats the end of our story damn athiests must be depressed.
@thomaseshuis i see your point maybe the natural fear of human death makes us want for something more or hope for something more but i will stay with my religion and now what if your wrong?
@manuel1654088 "so we die then some maggots have a good time eating our corpses and thats the end of our story damn athiests must be depressed." Complete non-sequitur.
I would dare to say a lot of atheist care more and get more out of life because they realise it's the only life they get.
Besides some atheists do believe in some form of afterlife, just not in gods.
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BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, we have a scientific Theory being taught as fact in Public Schools that has never legitimately met the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence". The Evil Illusion was sustained by a series of more diabolical frauds and the only support for this Evil Illusion comes from NAZI Satanists posing as wretched Insane Atheists. The lurid history of Evolution is so sickening, it is a disgrace to all of science and a monumental ORCHESTRATED CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
The very French Jesuit Priest responsible for manufacturing the Piltdown Man HOAX (1913-53), as the "missing link" which could bypass school board objection to teaching science fiction as fact, followed that up with the diabolical Peking Man Fraud. Not only did science fail severely in allowing a HOAX to satisfy the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence", it allowed the same Jesuit Priest responsible for the Hoax to sustain the Evil Illusion with another diabolical FRAUD
In spite of not being able to see or touch the human mind, most everyone would vehemently argue the human mind does exist & that they have one. Followed by, imbeciles who use their invisible mind, to argue God does not exist, because they can not see or touch Him. We are a created being with several senses. We were granted free will to choose subject to the Principle of Self Interest, which is the engine of life for all living things. Safe to assume, God expected we would use our mind to think.
Your Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Attack Countries & Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
See, that's the thing about delusions - you're in no position to confirm nor discredit them. It's totally reliant on other persons to decide.
When religious people claim to have interacted with God, they have no evidence to support it other than their own perception of things. If science operated by that principle, wherein theories could be affirmed through introspection or intuition alone, we'd still be in the Stone Age.
@MrCattlehunter Theistic evolution is spearheading Christianity. Why are Christians still labelled as creationists? The creationists are only a minority now.
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Christians by definition are believers in the New Testament. While parts of the Old Testament are disfunct some points remain valid. Analogous to Newtonian Mechanics and General Relativity.
1R0QU012 1 hour ago
@WeAreSextor
From a simple google search of the verse, it is evidently hard to translate original context from Hebrew to English. FYI the Old Testament is the "realm" of Judaism so you might take your question to fluent hebrew speaking people.
1R0QU012 1 hour ago
Religion and false belief, are in our opinions, the single most devastating placebo effects the world has ever known. For Christians ask the Atheists questions, we will ask you all one that you may not have ever heard: Genesis 6:4 - "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown". Explain that verse if you know your bible so well
WeAreSektor 5 hours ago
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Pass or Fail IQ, Ignorance Exam -
On the US dollar, can you locate an "all seeing eye" represented as a pyramid capstone? At the base of the pyramid, can you find Latin words which translate to a New World Order? Illuminati symbolism, so easily documented a 5th grade student writing first research paper, can easily write a factual report. Illuminati, have a special label for brain dead, mind controlled sheeple. Laugh it up class, your ass is featured on their menu with mint jelly.
waketheoblivious 7 hours ago
You've just been Richard Dawkins son!
robotpanda77 12 hours ago
Must be a scary feeling to know your whole life's been a delusion. Religion man, I don't fucks with it.
WaleedDaGreat 13 hours ago
I dont get why this was cruel
DeusExWhyZed 20 hours ago
As an atheist, I understand that some people need God(s). If it takes God(s) to keep someone from committing suicide or some criminal act, then I'd be careful with the process of helping some free his/her mind. Some people are simply not ready to let go. The very notion that God(s) is a dillusion is traumatic and frightening to some people. It's hard to anticipate what becomes of such a person.
fedner31 21 hours ago
LOL Dawkins shat on him!
TeamFuMe 1 day ago
Sorry, but if you don't like the answer you shouldn't have asked the question. What sort of response did he expect?
GarrettInShadows 1 day ago
i walk with Todd every thursday, at 3.15pm - we go to the park - it's a good time.
RexisAZero 1 day ago
He was NOT being cruel
mycheesegrater 1 day ago
Such a gentleman .
cnuques 1 day ago
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Not cruel, to the point. There was nothing Dawkins can say to convince someone who is so far gone from common sense that they think like that, so he said it like it is to make the guy go away.
McAwesometon 1 day ago
I don't get why you titled the video the way you did... I thought he was just being a little bit blunt, but there's nothing wrong with that.
neoman121 1 day ago
@neoman121 Richard Dawkins has a reputation of being very rude and blunt with his statments and as a result any comment he makes is going to seem like it's leaning towards rudeness, much like no matter what Sarah Palin says it's probably going to sound kinda stupid because of the bias of the listener.
KaijinDV 1 day ago
@KaijinDV
"no matter what Sarah Palin says it's probably going to sound kinda stupid because of the bias of the listener. "
No she is genuine stupid.
gorilla199uncensored 15 hours ago
@gorilla199uncensored true.
but even if she said "we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" its still going to sound pretty dumb
KaijinDV 1 hour ago
If people who believe in an intelligent creator are hallucinating, then they're doing it 24/7. And if they are hallucinating night and day, they should be institutionalized or given meds to make the hallucinations stop. I know of no drug that can do this in regard to spiritual beliefs to begin with, but if one existed would you want the government to force people to take it? Or are you going to say their delusions/hallucinations are of no threat to anyone but themselves?
kenleycloud 2 days ago
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@kenleycloud A belief in an intelligent creator isn't an hallucination - it's a false belief.
Hallucinations are the manifestation of false perceptions in the absence of a stimulus - like seeing the virgin mary standing by the roadside as you travel to church. Or maybe feeling the Lord's hand on your shoulder or head as you pray.
fingleur1 1 day ago
@fingleur1 So exactly what hallucinatory experience was Dawkins referring to in his reply to the Christian in the video? The Christian didn't mention having any of those particular "false perceptions". I think Dawkins was referring to the man's overall belief that he "walks with Jesus". What else could it have been?
kenleycloud 1 day ago
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@kenleycloud Dawkins There's a possibility he was just being poetic and by saying he's met the living christ and has walked with him for 50 years - he means nothing of the sort.
If he'd said he has an imaginary friend and imagines being with him, then that's quite different. I'm doing that right now. It's surprisingly easy and probably quite harmless.
fingleur1 1 day ago
@fingleur1 Then I guess I'll tell Jesus everything's okay. What a relief. LOL
kenleycloud 1 day ago
@fingleur1 Oh yeah, and I think the Christian man did mean he'd "met" Jesus for real, although maybe not Jesus manifested visually or in flesh form.
kenleycloud 1 day ago
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@kenleycloud Yes, I get that; 'met' as in - 'not really met, but properly imagined meeting'.
I dare say that's the best way quite often - a bit like watching a film based on your favourite book. The film, or reality, never gets close to the job your imagination can do with a good story.
fingleur1 1 day ago
HUMAN MIND IS EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO HALLUCINATION - so true.
we never challenge the concept of god which we are taught as kids, we readily accept it and grow up with that in mind n now if i tell u that the god in which u believe in is not real but that of some other religion is real, u will mock him and his stories. it is all about perception.
SuperAppmaker 2 days ago
@fingleur1
Additionally, you're telling me nothing new. I address the fact that General Relativity is a theory and that is becoming obsolete. Read for comprehension please. I don't need someone telling me what I have stated previously.
[ I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out the fact that your recent post is irrelevent]
1R0QU012 2 days ago
@fingleur1
I pose the same question to you
[see below]
1R0QU012 2 days ago
@skrappyb
For purposes of comprehension,
Do you actually have an understanding of the higher concepts of mathematics and physical sciences, or did you read a "Brief History of Time[etc etc...]" and generate an opinion?
[ my intent hear is to find out what you actually know, not to insult you]
1R0QU012 2 days ago
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@1R0QU012 I was talking about 'scientific theory' in general - general relativity was a bad example! We've moved on a bit from there.
fingleur1 2 days ago
@skrappyb
General relativity is just a theory, not emprical proof. A theory that fits scientific observation which is t he only reason we continue to use it. I might add that there is mounting concern for its... "continued relevence". Additionally, General relativity as it is cannot explain the universe, nor can either of the other pillars of modern science. Do well to remember those facts.
Carl Sagan once said, "absense of proof is not proof of absense."
1R0QU012 2 days ago
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@1R0QU012 "General relativity is just a theory, not emprical proof"
Absolutely, general relativity isn't proof of anything. It's a scientific theory that explains our observations and allows predictions to be made. Until anyone comes up with a better theory, General Relativity stands as the pinnacle of our human knowledge in that subject.
The theory of evolution - very similar.
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fingleur1 2 days ago
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Ignorance Examination -
Can you find an "all seeing eye" as the capstone of a pyramid on the US dollar? The all seeing eye of Horus/Lucifer/Satan and at the base of that pyramid are Latin words that translate to, a New World Order. The Illuminati are so easily documented, a 5th grader writing their first research paper could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a name for the mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up class, cause your ass is on their menu with mint jelly.
waketheoblivious 2 days ago
"Then you must be from New York."
kenleycloud 2 days ago
How was that remotely rude?
ethanB612 2 days ago
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American Intelligence Exam -
On the US dollar, can you locate an "all seeing eye" represented as a pyramid capstone? At the base of the pyramid, can you find Latin words which translate to a New World Order? Illuminati symbolism, so easily documented a 5th grade elementary student writing first research paper, could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a special label for mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up class, your ass is featured on their menu with mint jelly.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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An Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Who Attack Countries & Who Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
Atheist/Satanist = EVIL ENEMY TERRORIST
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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Fact - Economics is a Social Science, College of Liberal Arts.
Fact - Adam Smith's Classical Economic Theory, was Scientificly proven true & correct 250+ yrs ago.
Fact - Adam Smith, deliberately used the metaphor "Invisible Hand" as synonymous with God.
If Adam Smith, had used the word God instead of the metaphor "Invisble Hand", we'd be asking who was Adam Smith, but the Principle of Self Interest, Laws of Supply & Demand and the "Invisible Hand"/God would all still exist.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
so a christian can tell an evolutionist that he is just hallucinating, and thats supposed to be a acceptable answer?
0fficerFarVa 3 days ago
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@0fficerFarVa At this very moment I'm hallucinating the non-existence of a Unicorn.
Mmmm feel the delusion.
fingleur1 3 days ago
@0fficerFarVa Well, evolutions, unlike creationists, have hordes of evidence (proof that can be proved, felt, touched etc). So if a christian tells an evolution that he is hallucinating (like some do), they're considered moronic.
SuperMatthew345 2 days ago
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@0fficerFarVa Well, evolutionists, unlike creationists, have hordes of evidence (proof that can be proved, felt, touched etc). So if a christian tells an evolution that he is hallucinating (like some do), they're considered moronic.
SuperMatthew345 2 days ago
@0fficerFarVa The evolutionist can show you the indisputable physical evidence that leads to his conclusions. The faithful cannot.
armpitpuncher 2 days ago
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@0fficerFarVa "so a christian can tell an evolutionist that he is just hallucinating"
Only if you think that the hundreds of thousands of fossils in museums and universities around the world are mass hallucinations. Did you know there is a difference between evidence and hallucinations? Yeah. There is.
RATSrockhard 1 day ago
Awesome!
skrappyb 3 days ago
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Fundamental Logic 101. A commitment to the truth (only sane choice), inherently expands to include all possibilities. Arbitrary dismissal of a possibility, breaches that commitment as a fatal logic error, proving themselves fundamentally insane liars & frauds. When Atheist/Satanists dismiss God as a possibility, they breach their commitment to the truth, resulting in the mindfucked insanity to argue justifying a lie, is rational behavior.
Atheist/Satanists = Godforsaken Nazis
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
The Rock says... The rock says...
TurpentineTimes 3 days ago
But hang on...just because you don't share a person's beliefs, where do you get off being so rude as to say they are hallucinating??
AnthonyP73 3 days ago
@AnthonyP73
A religion by definition is a superstition. A religion is the belief in a supernatural being or beings. A superstition is the belief in supernatural magic or phenomena beyond or outside of nature. A religious belief is a superstitious belief. A common symptom of religion is delusion, sometimes with hallucinations. But face it, you are not coming back. Well, no one has yet, with any convincing evidence, and an awful lot of people have died. Bracing truth is better than false hope
skrappyb 3 days ago
@skrappyb
So belief in Higher Dimensions of reality that may never be manipulated or observed is "better" than belief in the proverbial magical unicorn?
1R0QU012 2 days ago
@1R0QU012
No. I don't believe in higher dimensions. Multiple dimensions have some evidence on paper when it comes to quantum mechanics, but since they can't be empirically verified there is not a scientific consensus on the matter. General relativity does, but not quantum mechanics. But there is more evidence growing everyday.
No, belief in anything magical or imaginary is irrational.
skrappyb 2 days ago
He's a plant. He's a troll! Splitter !!! (oops just been watching Monty Python videos...)
AnthonyP73 3 days ago
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History of United Nations:
- Madam Blavatsky, a self-admitted Satanist starts Theosophical Society/Luciferian
- Her deciple Anne Bailey, starts Lucifer Publishing, changes name to Lucis Trust
- Lucis Trust and Anne Bailey, pioneer the United Nations.
- Lucis Trust HQ is on UN property, recently moving with affiliate Share International
- Share Int'l/editor Benjamin Creme, promotes manufactured Messiah,The Matreya
*1st UN, Nimrod attempts World Dictator - God changes man's languages
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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July 7, 09 the Piltdown Pope personally delivered an ecclesiastic letter to the G8 Conference directing they gather the Nations of the earth & appoint a single moral authority as dictator (Anti-Christ). Press opted to cover M Jackson funeral. Vatican affirmation of evolution, heralded as an outward invitation to heal the division, is a TWISTED EVIL DENUNCIATION OF GOD & THE HOLY BIBLE. Satanists/Atheists received invitation to the Catholic (obtuse Christian) Church, they can't refuse.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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Circular Reasoning Testable, Repeatable & Verifiable:)
~Torah~
First 2 books (Genesis, Exodus) count 5 + 2 & circle
Last 2 books (Numbers, Deuteronomy) count 7 - 2 & circle
Middle book (Leviticus) count 7 & circle
Each Hebrew character circled, totalling thousands spells Torah, over & over & over.
In Genesis, count 172 & circle, each circled spells "Yeshua".
In Deutoronomy, count 172 & circle, each circled spells "The Messiah".
In Exodus, count 179 & circle, "Salvation of the Lord Jesus".
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
"Jesus Christ is The Rock?"...no....Dwayne Johnson is The Rock...
AceBobcat 4 days ago 21
@AceBobcat No.. Alcatraz is The Rock
TheMajinTrunks 4 days ago
@AceBobcat I think Jesus said it first.
kenleycloud 2 days ago
Dawkins is a Professor that made a public statement that is a complete and total lie. Absolutely no Medical or Scientific data or studies support his statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination". A statement such as that by an illiterate ignoramus could be understood considering the source. From someone holding the title of Professor, his lie is a complete disgrace to the institution who awarded him that degree.
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious The human mind IS succeptible to hallucinations wakey - or do you think that the Hindu's who claim to have seen Ganesh really did see an elephant headed godess?
parsivalshorse 4 days ago
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waketheoblivious 4 days ago
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@parsivalshorse
Stupid ass, a few Hindu's claiming something is hardly grounds for making the broad unsupportable statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination" you complete fucking ignoramus. Now squawk my Satanic Nazi Bitch. I own your Satanic Nazi Shill ass. You will wear your pink Satanic Nazi Tutu and S Q U A W K when I order your spineless ass to squawk. Do you understand you pathetic Nazi, now squawk if you understand, that is an order not a statement.......
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
So people who believe in a spiritual realm are insane. If that's true then most of the people on the planet are insane Woo, scary.
kenleycloud 2 days ago
@kenleycloud You must have posted that to me by mistake - you appear to be responding to a comment that I have never made.
parsivalshorse 2 days ago
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kenleycloud 2 days ago
@waketheoblivious The human mind is not extremely susceptible to hallucination? Now THAT'S a lie!
beaster29 4 days ago
@beaster29 <------------- Fucking ignoramus. If his life depended on it, he could not find a single credible scientific or medical journal that supports the statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination".
Dawkins got caught in a bold faced lie and is an absolute disgrace to the institution that awarded him that degree.
beaster29, decided to pop on a red nose, some big floppy shoes and entertain us all as a pathetic clown, that chooses to publicly display his ignorance.
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious LOL! I didn't think I'd get entertained so quickly. Say something else funny! :D
beaster29 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious Post operative Psychosis? Magic mushrooms? Dreaming?
There are too many examples of human minds being susceptible to hallucination to quote. The only reason you could of not found any is because you haven't looked.
neverfearchrisishere 4 days ago 3
@neverfearchrisishere
Oh no Mr. convenience the quote is "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination" and that is absolute bullshit unsupported by any Medical or Scientific study that supports such a ridiculous claim. You are the 5th lying fraud who has attempted to truncate the quote and offer a ridiculous justification for his bold faced bullshit. Even those who induce hallucination are are a small fraction of the population, the majority are by no means extremely susceptible.
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
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@waketheoblivious How many cases of mass hysteria would you like me to list? Do you want to include apparitional experiences, out-of-body experiences, lucid dreams, hallucinations in bereavement, senses of presence - 'i'm being watched'
Hallucinations are so common only a complete twat would try and argue otherwise!
fingleur1 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious ... Well given that any healthy human mind can hallucinate, how much greater a rate of susceptibility do you expect?
10% of the populace will experience a hallucinogenic episode during their lifetimes according the society for Psychical Research.
Every healthy human mind can be induced to hallucinate chemically.
How much more susceptible do you want?
If your going to call Bullshit on people about a topic, atleast learn to read up on the subject first.
neverfearchrisishere 4 days ago
@neverfearchrisishere
Look you ignoramus. Support the statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination" with any credible scientific journal or study. This ain't difficult. I could give a flying fuck how you care to rationalize and justify your insanity. I don't give a fuck if your buddy took acid, your brothers in rehab or any other remote example of miscellaneous horseshit. Science, provide concrete objective facts that support the damn statement. Fuck your opinion.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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@waketheoblivious I challenge you to find a credible scientific journal or study that says humans are susceptible to stubbing their toes. You can't, so therefore humans don't stub their toes. right?
'Thinking' like a Creationist doesn't actually require much thought does it?
fingleur1 3 days ago
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@fingleur1 <---------- Exposed Satanic Nazi Shill.
Expose and identify Satanic Nazi Shills, who camp these Atheist/Satanist videos 24/7, by simply copying and pasting this comment.
waketheoblivious 2 days ago
@waketheoblivious ...There is enough papers written on the subject to fill a library - you are just being intellectually lazy.
neverfearchrisishere 3 days ago
@neverfearchrisishere
Is there now, then reference one of those papers you imbecile. As is, you are completely full of shit.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
@neverfearchrisishere Nope, it’s not working. “can” hallucinate....? “during their lifetime”...? Chemically induced huh? Ya don’t say. I would like to see the article. PSYCHICAL Research??? Rate of suscpeptibility?........................... Ugh. Do you have a hall pass? .
kenleycloud 2 days ago
@kenleycloud /sigh PSYCHICAL is the former title of Psychology.. Which if you had enough learning on this subject to be overruling people on this topic, YOU WOULD KNOW. Rate of susceptibility hasn't been studied for psilocybin - the agent in magic mushroom that causes halucinations - because susceptibility is 100 percent in healthy subjects. There have been numerous studies on this chemical - which you have been too lazy and busy insulting to look for,
neverfearchrisishere 1 day ago
@waketheoblivious You have the numbers mixed up, the vast majority of the population is is EXTREMELY susceptible to hallucination. You only have to walk home though a poorly lit street for the mind to start doubting and second guessing.
Professor Benny Shanon from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has an interesting theory on Moses - that he was high on a hallucinogen found in the Acacia tree during his "encounters" in sinai.
xdir 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious wow, you're completely ignoring the fact that the human brain's job is to derive meaning from events. We've seen repeatedly within the scientific community and the population at large that hallucinations are in fact rampant. The presence of hallucinations are due to the brain's ability to make the same thing mean more than one thing (known as symbolic reasoning). Pigs can't read text or realize I'm being literally ambiguous when I tell you "You are a pussy"
amdphreak 3 days ago
@waketheoblivious Do you know how many quack doctors there are? How many fake medical treatments there are? Yeah, this, my dear, is exactly the same hallucinatory thinking that religious people use.
The difference is the psychological reward. When you take the quack doctor's advice and it doesn't work, you respond by not asking for his advice again.
Christianity, in particular, is incredibly rewarding. I know: I was Christian. It's also a big fat lie.
amdphreak 3 days ago
@waketheoblivious Old Wives Tales; irrational fears (phobias); etc.
How do you operate in a world filled with hallucinations? You cling on to what is proven to work. Religion appears to work for some people, but the problem is that on a large scale (globally) religion doesn't work. It causes groups to hate and kill each other, to proclaim themselves more correct than the next, etc.
amdphreak 3 days ago
@amdphreak
Your opinion is a collection of TV sitcom bullshit. Hard to imagine someone so brain dead still has a pulse. Seriously, you ever actually read anything and formed your own opinion or do you wait to figure out what all the brain dead consider popular opinion then automatically agree, like a well trained sheeple. I got news for you, the Truth is available in abundance, but you can't resist the urge to pop on your red nose and floppy shoes, long enough to realize you are on the menu.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
@amdphreak
Turn over a US Dollar Bill. See that "all seeing eye" as the capstone on the Pyramid? That is the all seeing eye of Horus/Lucifer and at the base of that Pyramid are Latin words that translate to a New World Order. The Illuminati are so heavily documented a 5th grader writing their first research paper could easily write a factual report. Illuminati have a name for the mind-controlled brain dead, sheeple. Laugh it up funny boy cause your ass is on their menu with mint jelly.
waketheoblivious 3 days ago
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@waketheoblivious "Dawkins is a Professor that made a public statement that is a complete and total lie. Absolutely no Medical or Scientific data or studies support his statement "the human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination"." Ehm, sorry but you're wrong there. 'Hallucinations: The Science of Idiosyncratic Perception
By André Aleman and Frank Larøi' Is just one psychological book that explains how and why humans are susceptible to hallucination.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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@waketheoblivious The only thing you're accomplishing with these comments is that you're showing how ignorant and bigoted you are.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, we have a scientific Theory being taught as fact in Public Schools that has never legitimately met the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence". The Evil Illusion was sustained by a series of more diabolical frauds and the only support for this Evil Illusion comes from NAZI Satanists posing as wretched Insane Atheists. The lurid history of Evolution is so sickening, it is a disgrace to all of science and a monumental ORCHESTRATED CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
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@waketheoblivious Once you actually understand the difference between fact and theory and have managed to debunk evolution,abusing, you have a point. Until then please stop making an ass out of yourself.
Especially stop throwing around unrelated names.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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The very French Jesuit Priest responsible for manufacturing the Piltdown Man HOAX (1913-53), as the "missing link" which could bypass school board objection to teaching science fiction as fact, followed that up with the diabolical Peking Man Fraud. Not only did science fail severely in allowing a HOAX to satisfy the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence", it allowed the same Jesuit Priest responsible for the Hoax to sustain the Evil Illusion with another diabolical FRAUD.
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
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An Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Who Attack Countries & Who Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
@waketheoblivious I want to thank you on behalf of all of the atheists and Christians who argue against creationism on these threads. You Bill are one of our greatest friends and assets. So I just wanted to express my appreciation - I can't imagine how anybody could do a better job of depicting creationists as insane, intollerant dribbling nutjobs as you do.
parsivalshorse 4 days ago
@parsivalshorse
Ataboy, your learning. Who said can't teach an old Buzzard new tricks. This Satanic Nazi Shill will squawk on command and lick a latrine when ordered to. Now squawk my spineless Satanic Nazi pet Buzzard. I wanna parade your silly ass all over you tube and then we can stop at a latrine so you can pay tribute. Meanwhile, squawk my buzzard bitch and like it. that's an order hit the keys Nazi
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
@parsivalshorse S Q U A W K you lazy bitch, that's an order you pathetic Nazi Shill..............
waketheoblivious 4 days ago
Exactly the same way I tell people about religion. If you say you've seen God, spoke with God, played Scrabble with God, whatever, fine. I'm in no position to say "No you didn't." But if you've never done any of those things, and your only reason to believe is because your parents told you so or your church told you so, then I ask you to think, does this make sense.
toysjoe 4 days ago
Thomaseshuis there is a book Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson-Regal Books 1981 that talks about this monotheism. The Karen in Burma til 1825 had this religion&the Gheddio in south central Ethiopia until 1948, Ancient China has this til 1000 B.C the book explains more also Arthur Custance has a book on this first religion, this monotheism of the God of the Bible, this other aspect of religion of the Bible older than either Judaism/Christianity Authur Custance books are on-line check it.
RonSafreed 4 days ago
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@RonSafreed "Thomaseshuis there is a book Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson-Regal Books 1981 that talks about this monotheism." And which proves nothing about the reliability of the biblical stories.
It tells us that there have been many monotheistic religions throughout history. Which we're very varied. China had different theisms during that period, not just one.
It also completely ignores the fact that polytheism is just as old and commonplace.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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@RonSafreed "this monotheism of the God of the Bible, this other aspect of religion of the Bible older than either Judaism/Christianity Authur Custance books are on-line check it." I checked his bio and criticism.
It seems most of his work on the historicity of the bible and Christianity is based assertions and assumptions with little evidence to support them.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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@RonSafreed There are two problems anyway:
1. There are religion way older than Abrahamic theism.
2. The age of a book or religion does not prove it's content.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
That is exactly how we freethinkers have to start treating the delusional, brainwashed fools. Religion deserves no respect and we have to stop giving it any serious consideration.
gregdye 5 days ago
Here's the way I see it: most religions are the same, they just have a few "fill in the blank" spots. The names "Zeus" "Allah" and "Jesus" are insignificant. The belief in a superior being is the fundamental part, and Dawkins fails to address that. In the end it will all be preference. However, one thing is certain: A world entirely Theistic would fail. A world entirely Atheistic would fail.
piemonkey321 5 days ago
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@piemonkey321 "Here's the way I see it: most religions are the same, they just have a few "fill in the blank" spots.The belief in a superior being is the fundamental part, and Dawkins fails to address that."
Your completely ignoring the fact that the belief in the superior beings takes many forms.
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
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@piemonkey321 Hellenic theism is way different than Abrahamic theism. The fact that people like to believe in a superior being does not prove there is one.
Just like people thinking the earth was flat proved to be wrong.
"A world entirely Atheistic would fail." How would the world fail if everyone did not believe in any gods?
thomaseshuis 4 days ago
if he bets his life on jesus being real, he claims that everyone on the planet who would do the same for THEIR supernatural friends is lying. how's that ?
CaptainObvious0000 5 days ago
A man's 'assurance' is NOT evidence! I think he was deluded to think that a scientist would have any OTHER answer.
Ceevro 5 days ago
There is another aspect of religion of the Bible than Judaism/Christianity&excisted in various cultures into the 19th&20th century. First in the Bible in Genesis from Adam to Abraham&really to Moses. Job in the book of Job lived centuries before Abraham but had the same God as Abraham. Cornelius in the book of Acts was neither Jew or Christian but neither was a pagan,heathen,or infidel but was called "devout". This devout monotheism was the origional religion of all peoples at one tme early hist
RonSafreed 5 days ago
@RonSafreed "There is another aspect of religion .... This devout monotheism was the origional religion of all peoples at one tme early hist"
Except you have no evidence that most of these people ever existed, much less your god and his religion.
thomaseshuis 5 days ago
Europeans&Orientals have 2 things in common,a high degree of atheism&a very low birthrate below replacement population levels.In the course of this 21st century both groups will shrink drastically especially the whites so the number of atheist will also go as people die off. The blacks&muslims are exploding, they dont't have much atheism&it looks like there is not going to be any mass conversions soon. Why most atheist have few or no kids? Good atheist should have kids&have future family linage.
RonSafreed 5 days ago
Man has 3 parts-body/soul/spirit. The Bible says man is in a fallen state. Aging/disease/death works in a man's body. Man's soul is lost&man is spiritually dead Man's soul is like am frequence,the spirit fm frequency.The only way that the spirit can be revived is to be "born"again" by coming into a relation with God through Jesus Christ. All true Christians have this spirit in them made alive, however now it is just turned on low like turning on an fm radio but the volume is down-low FYI.
RonSafreed 5 days ago
@RonSafreed The bible also says that unicorns are real, and fruit-bearing plants existed before stars. The bible is just plain wrong.
Ceevro 5 days ago
In 1949 when Mao&the communist came to power in China, there were only 1 million Christians there. Mao was gung-ho on wiping out all religion in China After 63 years of an iron-fisted policy towards religion now there are 130 million Christians in China. Growing at a rate of 30000 a day. Mao wiped out much illiteracy but as literacy increased, the growth of Christianity went up too.We need some atheist missionaries to go&re-convert those Christian Chinese back to atheism 64% of China is atheist.
RonSafreed 5 days ago
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university The Bible was illegal&it was illegal to teach it to kids Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible was put back in Russian schools Olga Lutsenko an atheist was the main one behind it Death threats made her to go to Canada in 96&she is a Christian now BTW she is on youtube&I support her work financially putting Bibles in Russian&Ukranian schools The Bible was absent 75 years in Russian schools now back 20 years
RonSafreed 5 days ago
@RonSafreed: Screw that! I would support teaching the bible if it was done in an honest way. For example: "Here's a book. The things in it are not backed-up by any reputable archeology, science, or even grade 3 math. It has some sex and violence in it, and will tell you to cut off parts of your penis. Don't do anything it says, if you want to stay out of jail."
Ceevro 5 days ago
John Wycliffe1330-1385 who translated the Bible from Latin to middle English in 1382 felt that the Bible needed to be in the tongue&hands of the masses In 1442 his remains were dug up&a trial was held condemming him His bones were burned to powder&dumped in a river I read his lifestory&have the book Evil men in high places for 1000 years put the Bible under lock&key. Many clergy&all laity had no access to the Bible What Wycliffe was doing with the Bible was illegal then but he was never caught.
RonSafreed 5 days ago
The Bible has only been accessible to the common man less than 500 years William Tyndale1498-1542 was the first to mass produce Bibles for the masses in 1525 using the printing press They cost a man's week wage He smuggled them to England from Belguim He was a wanted man betrayed&caught,tried&executed in Brussels He spoke 9 languages I read his lifestory&have the book It took 10 months to handwrite a Bible Evil men in high places put the Bible under lock&key 1000 years Clergy&laity had no access
RonSafreed 5 days ago
The Human Mind Is Susceptible to Hallucination. Well said R.D.
yellowocean01 5 days ago
Dawkins is a boss.
WheredaKFCat 6 days ago
Odin! Odin!
zizek 6 days ago
Richard Dawkins makes a good point in as kind a way as I think it can be made. What would you say to an Adult who genuinely believes in Santa? That they're cute? Or that when their parents die they might find the number of gifts they receive on Christmas Day dries up a bit?
SimplyPaul 1 week ago
The man asking the question states that he has MET the risen christ?
So, I guess that means that jesus is still alive and walking around the earth?
Of course not, THIS is why the man is delusional.
Although I've met the miraculous Santa, I see him at the mall every year, so in reality, Santa is more real than jesus, the bloody rag doll hanging on a stick is where the myth belongs.
Jesus is NOT walking the earth, and does NOT live inside believers.
Delusional, brain damaged people!
luciferous66 1 week ago
Modern people .. stupid !
What do people think .. marriage is about love ?
NO its not ! Its about trying to be straight, its about having more babies, its about putting the penis into the vagina because thats what God wants any man to do to any woman !
Love , what love ?
STupid people, God do not care whether there is love among men .. STUpid people.
kkdkk7 1 week ago
Deuteronomy 22:28 to 22:29
"If a man happens to meet a virgin woman who is not engaged to be married
And he seizes her and rapes her
but is caught in the act
The rapist must pay the girl's father fifty silver shekels
She must marry the rapist, because he has violated her. And so long as he lives, he may not divorce her"
Praise the lord?
hardcoretam 1 week ago 13
@hardcoretam Be careful. You might have anti-semites or Christians coming in saying that those laws only applied to people of the Jewish faith, thereby making them "okay" to have been written in the Bible to begin with. :)
Yes, there are actually people like that.
Michael326 1 week ago
@Michael326 Oh i'm very familier with people with faith choosing only to use / beleive parts of religious books that suit them. I'm an Atheist myself and i started to read the Bible until i got to The Law. I've put it aside and started to read all the other ancient books as best as they can be translated to English, starting with the full texts of Genesis. It's a long quest, but hopefully it'll help me out with debates.
hardcoretam 1 week ago
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@Michael326 To many actually.
Especially considering they completely ignore these verses: John 10:35
Matthew 5:18-19
Luke 16:17
But then those Christians are of a special brand I guess.
thomaseshuis 6 days ago
Blunt, not cruel.
aMondia 1 week ago
Richard's response was amazingly polite, I didn't find it in any way cruel.
mypalsatan 1 week ago 66
@mypalsatan He wasn't being cruel. Just condescending.
lambovsatan225 1 week ago
@lambovsatan225 Given the level of retardedness of the questioner Dawkins was as polite as humanly possible. A lesser man might have simply answered:
"You are a deluded fool, go away and let the grown ups talk."
TomFynn 1 week ago
@mypalsatan it was highly polite and i dare say neutral and reasonable response to someone that obviously seems unstable
cropathfinder 3 days ago 17
Not cruel in any way at all really...
allln19 1 week ago
As a lifelong Christian and now Deist at best, I have given up on Christianity. The clear problem that I see after living it for 40 years, is that Christians want to push their belief 'in Christ' while what Jesus really told them to do was preach 'the good news' which was not Christ at all but was that Religion was wrong and that everyone should act in love and acceptance toward each other.
After attending 1000s of church services, I can say I've never seen anything happen that was not of man.
OlatheHunter 1 week ago
He is not being cruel just pompous as usual trying to use the straw man argument of putting Christianity on par with ancient mythology. And also using bad science that faith is based on delusion and hallucinations complete twaddle. He also has tried to put ID supported by scientists on par with creationism he has his on religion to defend atheism or secular humanism it might not have a deity but is has a creed and is on a crusade to dominate the west.
lv4ev5 1 week ago
@lv4ev5 sorry that was own religion.
lv4ev5 1 week ago
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@lv4ev5 That's just special pleading isn't it? How can you say Christianity isn't ancient mythology but Hinduism or Buddhism or Jainism or Bahai'ism or Sikhism or Shintoism is?
fingleur1 1 week ago
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@lv4ev5 "He is not being cruel just pompous as usual trying to use the straw man argument of putting Christianity on par with ancient mythology. " That's not a straw-man. Greek pantheism is just as valid as Christianity or any other religion for that matter. All have the same amount of evidence: 0.
"And also using bad science that faith is based on delusion and hallucinations complete twaddle." If he's wrong then it's faulty LOGIC, not science. And he isn't.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@lv4ev5 "He also has tried to put ID supported by scientists on par with creationism" Because it is exactly the same. ID isn't a scientific theory. It has no testable hypothesis, only assertions and arguments from ignorance.
The fact that a couple of Christian scientists support is means nothing. There are also Muslim scientists supporting extremists like the Taliban.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@lv4ev5 "he has his on religion to defend atheism"
Atheism isn't a religion, nor is defending a position.
"it might not have a deity but is has a creed" No it doesn't. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. That's not a creed, that's a name for a lack of a specific belief.
Please stop spouting nonsense, you're making a fool out of yourself.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
I love it that when an atheist calls a theist out on their lack of evidence for their belief, they are being cruel. But when a theist tells an atheist they are going to burn in hell or suffer another evil afterlife, it's called 'caring'.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@thomaseshuis only ignorant christians do that but think about this wouldn't it suck if we just stop exising, so we die then some maggots have a good time eating our corpses and thats the end of our story damn athiests must be depressed.
manuel1654088 1 week ago
@manuel1654088 "but think about this wouldn't it suck if we just stop exising" That´s an appeal to emotion, a fallacious argument.
I'm not going to believe something because I want there to be more. Why should there be more in the first place?
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
@thomaseshuis i see your point maybe the natural fear of human death makes us want for something more or hope for something more but i will stay with my religion and now what if your wrong?
manuel1654088 1 week ago
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@manuel1654088 "but i will stay with my religion" I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm just telling you why I cannot believe what you believe.
"now what if your wrong?"
What if your wrong? There are 3000+ religions out there and then there's the possibility that no gods exist.
Besides I do not think any merciful and loving god would condemn me, because I did not take things on blind faith.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
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@manuel1654088 "so we die then some maggots have a good time eating our corpses and thats the end of our story damn athiests must be depressed." Complete non-sequitur.
I would dare to say a lot of atheist care more and get more out of life because they realise it's the only life they get.
Besides some atheists do believe in some form of afterlife, just not in gods.
thomaseshuis 1 week ago
How in anyway is this cruel? The deluded fuck is lucky to even be given an answer
TheJoeDonnelly 1 week ago
I don't see what's cruel about the answer... The crazy in the audience is ranting like a fool...
majorj0nny 1 week ago
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I directed a specific squawking order and these exposed Satanic Nazi Shills have failed miserably at sustaining the rotation. They can camp this fucking video for 2 years, scheduled 24/7 with at least 2 Satanic Nazi Buzzards working overlapping shifts, but they can't follow a simple SQUAWKING SCHEDULE? Who trained these pathetic Buzzards.....
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, we have a scientific Theory being taught as fact in Public Schools that has never legitimately met the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence". The Evil Illusion was sustained by a series of more diabolical frauds and the only support for this Evil Illusion comes from NAZI Satanists posing as wretched Insane Atheists. The lurid history of Evolution is so sickening, it is a disgrace to all of science and a monumental ORCHESTRATED CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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The very French Jesuit Priest responsible for manufacturing the Piltdown Man HOAX (1913-53), as the "missing link" which could bypass school board objection to teaching science fiction as fact, followed that up with the diabolical Peking Man Fraud. Not only did science fail severely in allowing a HOAX to satisfy the scientific standard of "irrefutable evidence", it allowed the same Jesuit Priest responsible for the Hoax to sustain the Evil Illusion with another diabolical FRAUD
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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1913 Piltdown Man, he is your ancestor and is the "missing link" that satisfied "irrefutable evidence".....
1953 whoops, he's a planted HOAX......
1913 - 2011, No legitimate "missing link" just a series of diabolical frauds....
2011 - The Show Must Go On,
Bring In the Clowns, claiming to be scientists
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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In spite of not being able to see or touch the human mind, most everyone would vehemently argue the human mind does exist & that they have one. Followed by, imbeciles who use their invisible mind, to argue God does not exist, because they can not see or touch Him. We are a created being with several senses. We were granted free will to choose subject to the Principle of Self Interest, which is the engine of life for all living things. Safe to assume, God expected we would use our mind to think.
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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FIVE Step Atheist/Satanist Shill Training:
1) Walk to Nearest Military Graveyard
2) Piss on the Graves of Patriots Who Died to Provide Freedom, Liberty & Justice
3) Use the US Constitution as Toilet Paper
4) Hold it up and Show God
5) Promote Deception, Lies & Fraud, like Satanic Nazi Traitors
ATHEISTS/SATANISTS = ENEMIES OF GOD, HUMANITY & THE US CONSTITUTION
ATHEISTS/SATANISTS = ENEMY WORLD TERRORISTS
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
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Your Inability To Understand, A Sworn Oath to God & Country, Does Not Disarm Or Deter The Lethal Duty To Defend God's US Constitution. You Who Attack God, Attack Countries & Attack Humanity, You Are The Enemy. Enemies Of God, Are Enemies Of Those Sworn To Protect God, Country, Constitution & Humanity.
All Men Are Created Equal, With Certain Inalienable Rights, Endowed By Our Creator. As Goes God, So Goes Freedom, Liberty & Justice For All.
Atheist/Satanist = EVIL ENEMY TERRORISTS
waketheoblivious 1 week ago
See, that's the thing about delusions - you're in no position to confirm nor discredit them. It's totally reliant on other persons to decide.
When religious people claim to have interacted with God, they have no evidence to support it other than their own perception of things. If science operated by that principle, wherein theories could be affirmed through introspection or intuition alone, we'd still be in the Stone Age.
roomie4rent 1 week ago 17
Evolution has been disproved by science many times. Atheism = Disease of the mind.
TurnToJesus1 1 week ago
@TurnToJesus1
Maybe, in your universe, the Archbishop of Science did it. But here - not.
blazejbch 1 week ago
@TurnToJesus1 Actually, many Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians have accepted evolution. WLC also.
Crobat87 1 week ago
@Crobat87
To add some more weight to that, the last 3 popes have all openly accepted evolution.
MrCattlehunter 1 week ago
@MrCattlehunter Theistic evolution is spearheading Christianity. Why are Christians still labelled as creationists? The creationists are only a minority now.
Crobat87 1 week ago
@TurnToJesus1
Evolution has stood up to the toughest academic scrutiny of the scientific community for the past 150 years. What disproof do you speak of?
Beandude202 1 week ago
@TurnToJesus1 "Evolution has been disproved by science"
What does your religion say about your lies? Is your faith so weak you have to make things up to support it?
fingleur1 1 week ago