Christianity Is Selling An Inferior Product

[FlyingSpahghettiMan]

I go to church to listen to the opposition. It is only analogy. Relate something old with something new. That is all they talk about, and that if you 'truly' accept Jesus, ERRYTHANG will be better. Seems the rest of the world doesn't truly accept Jesus, because shit is fucked up.

[Thomas60]

@FlyingSpahghettiMan I did that 2 weeks ago, though mostly because my aunts family did and I was stopping over. I put analogies into the songs and stuff. Though was uneasy when I started hearing misconceptions "scientists believe we came from nothing" etc.

[FlyingSpahghettiMan]

@Thomas60 Ignorance factory, lol.

[haogar5]

@Thomas60 You know that is kind of funny, i was talking with a friend about that, since i did mention i did not believe in god, and he went on stating his reasons, oh well, in any case, i told him that the universe does not necessarily needed to be created, so he went on and ask me if could create something from nothing, i promptly said to him, "i did not said the universe was created from nothing, you are the one saying it was created from nothing(by god), why should i need to show you that?"

[TheRealACvideos]

When a christian finds out that someone is atheist they usually tear right into trying to brainwash the atheist into becoming christian. Atheists usually don't want to try to change christians minds but when they start with the brainwashing people have to defend themselves and prevent christian radicals from invading our politics. There is no more miserable form of government than a theocracy. Why can't christians accept that others don't believe in god without accusing people of being "evil"?

[hymnofashes]

@TheRealACvideos No, actually, I'm an atheist and I get in people's face pretty frequently about religion. I hate religion.

[Shavarnarak]

@TheRealACvideos

What I'd like to know is how you deconvert the religious.

Imagine how much good that could do! Like... if you could deconvert people from islam, that'd solve that whole terrorist problem. And if you could deconvert people from Christianity it'd solve that whole republican problem!

The possibilities would be endless!

[Velayasha]

@Shavarnarak Your words:"if you could deconvert people from islam, that'd solve that whole terrorist problem. And if you could deconvert people from Christianity it'd solve that whole republican problem!"-- Yes, because we all know that muslims are the only people in the world who has terrorists. The KKK, and the IRA were actually choirboys who sang and baked cookies for orphanages. And we all know there are no Democrats who are christian. -Your deconverting idea is dumb.

[YesYou123333]

@TheRealACvideos Ask me if I give a shit if you go to hell or not. Go ahead, ask me.

[Charmolution]

@YesYou123333

Feel the Christian Lurve!

[Charmolution]

@TheRealACvideos

Here's another thing: I've never heard of a bunch of Atheists shunning someone because they believe in a god. It only seems to work the opposite way.

[aegisgfx]

@Charmolution

if you and I were having a conversation and I suddenly blurted out that I believe in unicorns and I have a personal relationship with them, would your opinion of me go up or down?

[Charmolution]

@aegisgfx

My opinion of you would go up, because unicorns are fucking awesome.

[aegisgfx]

@Charmolution

you do make a good point.

[JeansTake]

Matt: Back then, they didn't want me. Now I'm hot, they all on me!

[juliuschas]

We dis-, un-, and non-believers need a "Dear Abby"-like place for advice on fitting our ~belief into the social landscape. Thanx for providing one!

[Sexycosy]

@juliuschas Allow me, Sir, to compliment you on your exquisite orthography. :-)

Also, ditto on the "Dear Abby" comment!

[WLDInternationale]

People say, I consider myself atheist. I consider myself Christian. I consider myself Pantheist.I consider myself Muslim.I consider myself human.Maybe just a human will do.But when do we get the guts to just say I consider myself nothing.U cannot be defined.I am what I am.And that means the person you are without the indoctrination or cultural conditioning.You'll find an innate joyous, compassionate person.You don't need religion to make you.Thats why religion in practice produces hypocrisy.

[cabot2jville2010]

ok? we don't need religion to make us something, i agree, so why did you talk about atheists? pantheists are just atheists with god as a complete metaphor to get people to shut up about us not using the word god.

[WLDInternationale]

It is easy. I said to not catergorize yourself. Not to consider yourself anything that divides you among other people who all are humans. But at some point letting go of trying to associate ourselves with some name, some ideology in the case atheism--whatever definition that also politically segregates you too even. That's all is being said. There's no bashing of anyone. Thank you for even reading the comment anyway. People just bark quickly without understanding whats being said. bye!

[cabot2jville2010]

Ok, i did read it all with understanding, and just for the hell of it read the original again, what i pointed to was you talked about Religion being hypocritical, and threw in Atheism in their along with it? First, you can define something because you take a word, atheist-lack of belief in a god of any form, and then someone who fits that is techicnally an atheist. And way to just cop out with Bye ^_^

[RadarKat73080]

It's not inferior, it's invisible!

[BobTKaye]

It sounds like your caller would appreciate this video that I've recently come across: watch?v=kAIpRRZvnJg

[warwizard87]

teachings of aithisum? WHAT o_O ???

[pyrix]

Learn to spell first, 'cause I'm saying "What?" to whatever the hell you said.

[pyrix]

It's spelled right there, ATHEISM. And I'm not an idiot, I can read what you said, I choose not to because it's so horribly spelled, you're mangling the English language.

[thisguysajerk]

warwizard: if you cannot complete a coherent sentence with proper grammar and spelling, then your opinion is worth that of a 2 year old on the subject.

if you make excuses for why we should forgive your willing ignorance then you'd be better off, just fucking off.

[warwizard87]

if its such a invaild opinion, why comment on it? who gives a shit about proper grammer or spelling as long as its readable i spend what 3-5 mins posting? its not a thesis, its a blog get over it.

[thisguysajerk]

it's in the hopes you'll actually making some fucking effort in life, especially if your going to go around trying to express an opinion. and i'm obviously not the first person to tell you this shit so deal with it you bitch or get right with the program and get your spelling and grammar right.

it's not a blog. it's a comment forum on a video sharing site. you truly are dumb.

[warwizard87]

franckly i am done talking to you about this, its unimportant and trivial, we sit on the same side of the fence on the focuse of this vid amoung others, yet you decide i am not worthy of opionion becouse i don't put enough weight into spelling? on a blog? yes a fourm is a form of a blog get over it. grow up stop being a troll i am not spell checking every single post, keep trolling i am not feeding you past this reply.

[waltsimons]

Seriously man spell checkers are ubiquitous these days. They're even embedded right into browsers and google. Take the extra 5 seconds to make your comments at least somewhat respectable.

[helldogas2]

You misspelled atheism again XD.

[cabot2jville2010]

..? how do you type aithisum...versus atheism? like aithisum isn't even a phonetically close way to write atheism.  Also you mispelled mispelled, you also mispelled sentence. You also mispelled atheism by typing atheisum again, not phonetically close.

[DrewDawg50]

Fools

[neilswann80]

It also depends on your definition of God!

[astat1]

Довиждане.

[cruelfate45]

Selling and inferior product? Christianity is selling eternal life. Atheism is selling a godless world. I'd say you get a hell of a lot more for your money with Christianity. Now, the question is, which product is real? I'd say neither are factually correct. Atheism sucks just as much as organized religion.

[sp10975]

Your right; atheism sucks. Sadly, the truth hurts. If someone wants to make up something to make them feel good, that's fine with me.

[cruelfate45]

So you are saying that atheism is the truth and you don't mind if people make up their own "truths" (aka religions) because the truth hurts?

[sp10975]

Exactly. The only time I have a problem with religion is when it has a problem with me =].

[spotlitkiss]

which is all the time by the way.

[nekidchickens]

How can neither be factually correct. Either there is a god or there isn't. If there is, then religion is correct, (although still immoral) if there isn't then the atheists are correct. There are only really two answers.

Peace

J

[cruelfate45]

Because belief has no bearing on fact. Theism is a belief, and atheism is a lack of such belief. If God exists or does not, and this is a fact either way, our beliefs or lack of beliefs have no bearing on that fact. But what belief does is opens us up to the truth. So if God is real, my theism is good for me because I believe what is correct.

[nekidchickens]

Belief is your interpretation of fact my friend. Belief is a representation of your world view. FACT-there is no evidence for gods existence. That is the only tenet of atheism. Not a belief, a fact.There are two positions asserting what they believe to be true about the world. One says that there is a god, the other doesn't.One has to be right, and one has to be wrong. Truth IS fact. They are one and the same. Look it up.

def;conformity with fact or reality; verity;an obvious or accepted fact

[cruelfate45]

Belief isn't dependent upon fact (that would be contradictory in the case of our opposing beliefs about God), just as truth isn't dependent upon our belief. You have to seriously consider the implications of this FACT.

[nekidchickens]

No matter how you spin it,only one of us can be right and the facts simply do not support belief in a magical "god".You are right that belief isn't dependent on fact.However both beliefs are formed because of what we THINK are facts.You think that god is fact,I say that there simply isn't ENOUGH fact to imply a gods existence.Belief is an interpretation of truth,the only variable is whether we are right or not.Instead of trying to twist words,why not actually bring some evidence to the fore?

[cruelfate45]

Either there is a God or not, you are right. Whether your beliefs happen to line up with the truth is only consequential to you. Atheism intellectualizes God. Theism (this is a general statement *caution*) experiences God. God isn't a noun or a concept. God is a process, something to be experienced. We both believe the same thing, the subtle difference is that because you can't intellectualize God, you close yourself off to the experience which can only be reached first through belief.

[nekidchickens]

Well said.A couple of years ago I might have agreed.The fact is that something must BRING us to our beliefs,otherwise they are random and meaningless.What is the reason that you attribute your experiences to a god?You wouldn't be able to come to that conclusion if you didn't have an idea of the mythology of god in the first place.I don't intellectualize Thor or Zeus or Horus(whose creation story is the same as Jesus)we just see that there is no evidence for believe in them.Same thing with "god"

[cruelfate45]

Well, it isn't that I attribute my experience to God in the traditional sense that he created me. In fact, I don't literally believe in creation, at least not that way. If experience has shown me anything, it's that life is like being a zombie, but there are moments of awakening where I actually feel "alive". These would be experiences of God. But when I say God, I'm not talking about a figurehead.

[nekidchickens]

THen I can agree if you don't mean a "god" in any sort of sentient, creator being sense.

I get those "alive" moments too.

Peace

J

[cruelfate45]

Maybe we all aren't so different after all.

[looneyboy221133]

When I first became Atheist... It seemed like God was all I could talk about... it comes up in every convo... or discussion... but it more or less fades after time...

[sampsonoff]

great show, bad music lol

[gurkhaboy]

I am not a Christian, but I will tell you this, if Christianity is an inferior product, Islam is the worst of the lot and is past the due date.

If Christianity has done crimes, which it has, it still will "try" to correct some of their mistakes, while Islam just plain out denies everything shamelessly. Honestly what kind of religion says that if you blow yourself up and kill other people you cvan score 72 virigns in heaven????? So if Christianity is screwed, Islam is so fucked up.

[sabboth42]

Really...that's why in christianity they honor martyrs as saints and parade them around as hero's attempting to spread the word of their god. That's exactly the same thing, just different names of the religion and god.

[gurkhaboy]

True and good point. However, in the Christian world they don't believe that its legal for a nine year old to be married to a 90 year old. I think both of them suck, but Islam scares me more than Christians (unless we are talking about Bible belt Christians, then its borderlining with Islam).

[sabboth42]

True, and yeah, watch the movie "Jesus Camp" it scared the hell out of me. Evangelical christians like that could put the taliban out of business.

[gurkhaboy]

I heard about "Jesus Camp" and my buddies said the same thing that it was like watching the Taliban but everyone is in America. Honestly these people freak me out.

[adolthitler]

Christians used to do it, just like the muslims. They just matured their ethics and raised the ages of consent and marriage.

If Islam was not so fervent and devout they might evolve morally too. But they lock their scriptiures in stone, they can't be changed. So its quite strange when they say Aisha marry the pedo at 9. By her own words in the koran she married him at six, and fulfilled her womanhood with him at 9.

[sabboth42]

Well there's just one part, christians haven't really matured morally all around. They have in certain areas, but in others they may have even managed to go back some. It all really depends on the massive amounts of sects of christianity.

[DavidCasper]

In all fairness to Christians, Christian martyrs aren't supposed to take all the bystanders with them when they die. Also, Christianity doesn't have the direct order to convert or kill all infidels like Islam does. It's definitely a rung or two up the ladder.

[adolthitler]

In the OT there are plenty of examples of just that. Its matured in the NT. They need to mature some more, and allow abortion, and pay for prostitutes to deal with their priests once a week. Those priests need to be controlled somehow, its the only way I can think of.

[sabboth42]

Different methods, but they both try to end at the same point.

[cochisestronghold]

Just don't invite a Mormon to drink you unless their are two of them that way you won't have to worry about the other one drinking all of your beer.

[Bob06460]

What is Matt always writing?

[DeletedDelusion]

I'm so glad that I live in an environment where religion is no big issue.

My thoughts go to all the people who have to endure religious intolerance.

[tsummerlee]

To say that Christianity is selling an inferior product is implying a standard exists with which one can compare religion. Inferior to what? If the implication is that Atheism represents a higher standard, then an ideology does indeed inherently exist with Atheism, and this is something I've embraced for a very long time.

If Atheism represents no particular idea, it might be wise to withhold expressions that imply otherwise to keep your argument consistent.

[thunder2falcon15]

very good point. i think when he says 'inferior' he means that theres more evidence supporting atheism than theism. im not positive though.

[tsummerlee]

If that's what he meant,which is any one's guess because he didn't elaborate,then Atheism is a theory and position that requires defending,not unlike all religions, which means it isn't an empty concept as Matt regularly claims.I've been an Atheist for 30 years. The concept either requires defending as a theory, or it doesn't, but you can't have it both ways. I think it was a bad analogy. A clever Christian would grab hold and not let go, then what? I say "use analogy with caution."

[jassi4010709]

the point was that it was selling an inferior product compared to other religions....

ofcourse in the long run they are like hyundai's....a complete waste of time and more negatives than anything else.

[tsummerlee]

That isn't what he said, so I won't read that interpretation into it. All religions have one or more inferior tennets compared to other systems that don't include a disembodied figure to worship. Holding one inferior up against another isn't helpful.

[bdf2718]

Sorry, to contradict you, but Christianity is inherently more immoral than other religions.

Under Islam you have to be good to other Muslims. Under Judaism you have to be good to other Jews. Under Christianity you can be an utter shit your entire life then have a deathbed conversion and go to Heaven. Is that fucked up or is that fucked up?

[tsummerlee]

This isn't a contradiction, and actually makes my point.

[bdf2718]

You're wrong about needing a standard of comparison. A product is, on its own terms, either good or bad. If you buy the first Frammistan ever manufactured and it fails to meet its advertising and your expectations, is it good or bad? You don't need comparisons to decide.

[tsummerlee]

Good or bad compared to what? Compared to advertising or compared to another product, but any judgement requires a standard.

[bdf2718]

You mean if I sell you a shit sandwich you cannot say it it's good or bad unless you have other sandwiches to compare it to? You don't need an objective standard, the subjective standard of what you want is enough.

OK, I happen to have established an objective standard that shit sandwiches are yummy. So you MUST now like them, right?

[adolthitler]

But the bible says only christ sandwiches are the true sandwiches.

[bdf2718]

But you must wash them down with wine.

[adolthitler]

Atheism makes more sense than any organised religion. The books that purport to be gods word are such rubbish. Theist Agnostics are also in a much better position than organised religion. They and atheists share a common thought out morality, because they don't have a word of god problem.

Atheists don't have a doctrine, or agenda, except to keep religious hands off the constitution. We are entitled to our freedom, so keep your god in your church and home.

[saxmanchiro]

All polls over the last 75 yrs have shown a direct relationship with education level and religiosity. More ed= less religion. Also, scientists are even more apt to be godless. Last US poll showed 7% all scientists believed and of the bio sciences, 5%. Seems pretty reasonable to conclude that science helps one see the woo. I enjoy knowing that I am in the 95%. Now I need to find them, because they hide very well. Seems atheists are the persecuted, not theists.

[spikesmth]

In economics, inferior goods are consumed less as income rises (relative to normal goods). It seems like poor people cling to religion far more than the well-to-do. Just an interesting connection I thought. Ramen for the masses, lobster for high classes.

[bdf2718]

The poorer you are the more difficult life is. You're probably smart enough to figure out that there's very little chance of escaping that poverty. So your only hope of EVER having an existence free from worry is that pie in the sky crap.

Oh, and the rich tend to receive better educations. The statistics show that the better educated you are the less likely you are to believe in Gawd.

[johnnyk2112]

basic intelligence and drive escapes poverty. It's true, a few can't.

[bdf2718]

Here's how it goes. You're poor so you turn to Catholicism to give you hope in the afterlife. Which insists that you have more kids, which makes you even poorer. Which makes you turn even more to Catholicism because of your increase poverty.

Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

[johnnyk2112]

and pass this lifestyle to the kids, and you have , presto, generation, millenia of idiocy.

[bdf2718]

Sadly, religion is NOT inherited, it's transmitted vertically and horizontally but with no congenital component.

If religion WERE only (or in the vast majority of cases) congenital there would be a strong tendency for it to become a symbiont rather than a parasite. If you can only pass on congenitally then your best option is to aid those you infect because then they're more likely to survive (and have descendants) and therefore so are you.

[johnnyk2112]

bd78:..?..are you saying x-tian parents don't rear and train up little x-tian's?

[AsG1989]

nice points

[supersetan2008]

"Never stop trying to understand"

Great words. I'll quote this one.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

The person to the left of Matt, what is his name?

[emuholic]

"atheist teachings".. lol.. idiot

[djzapz]

That's why I love it where I live. Religion isn't omnipresent. I don't know of a single religious person that's younger than like 40. Granted, we kept a bunch of religious things like I were baptized by my parents who don't really believe in God.

Anywho, I feel sorry for that guy.

[condomassault]

you lucky canadian you

[saxmanchiro]

I have been a 'quiet' atheist for over 40 yrs now. I have recently become an outspoken atheist because of recent radical changes to my lifestyle by the religious. In the past, it was never as 'in-my-face' as it is now. Add to that, entering the teaching profession(science) and witnessing the severe indoctrination/lying that students are subjected to, loss of separation of church and state, theists blaming gawd for everything that happens in every sentence, and I am fed up. Time to yell.

[redchango]

Amen (sorry, bad joke), I'm with you!

[Ujikaweapon1]

Time to yell.

[astat1]

Why is that?

[saxmanchiro]

I'm on holidays right now but as soon as I enter my classroom next week, I have to deal with students blurting out when I try to teach them ANY science, "God made us" or "Praise the Lord" or "I believe God made us" or "Do you believe in God?" or "I don't believe anything you tell us" or "God loves us". The other thing that happens is the body language, like crossed arms or rolling of eyes. Pretty frustrating and sad to witness EVERY DAY.

[MagnusIan]

I read your profile and I have to say you are very fortunate to have had free-thinking parents. My WHOLE family is made up of very fundamentalist Christians. I wish I could tell them the truth (that I've been an atheist since I was 16), but sadly this would cause a huge emotional breakdown among them. I really do hate what religion does to people. It gives them irrational fears and discourages independent thought.

[LogicalSanity]

I've been a skeptic for about 2 years and didn't really know it. I now know the right term for myself. Atheist. And I haven't told my parents yet either.

[Mephistophilus]

I've been talking about it for most of my life. I didn't initiate the conversation but I was given a choice on which. I think my grandmother was a "closet" atheist. She suggested it.

I'm sick of it as well. Went dancing & several in our party were in the middle of a discussion about intentionally failing to meet obligations. The devout Xian's excuse was "I felt God's will, he wanted this". The theists enabled his conduct. The undecided agnostic giggled & I tasted blood from biting my tongue.

[Mephistophilus]

To the theists who say you can't push it at birth. Explain the medical necessity of circumcision & baptism.

[MagnusIan]

Exactly. Turns out god just wants your dick skin. ; )

[saxmanchiro]

My tongue is raw from biting as well. Imagine keeping quiet and not reacting every time a theist drops the gawd bomb for 43 yrs. My tolerance has finally come to an end. When I see government(legislative, education, executive, money, pledge, etc)doing the Gawd shit, that's when I lose it totally. My family is tired of my militant attitude. They want me to be my old self and keep quiet. Sorry, been there-done that and can't keep it to myself anymore.

[Mephistophilus]

The giggling agnostic is my best friend aka wife. Lately she's been leaning towards Spinoza's God although she has no idea what that means. She says "the force" is not a god. Some of my family keep their gods personal, others said please save yourself, others told me shut up or worse & some said please keep talking. Recently, I acquired a brother in law who said he was secular humanist. Apparently that sounds better then atheist or godless.

[DavidCasper]

Actually, I think "secular humanist" in particular is atheism with a particular stipulation that you also don't believe in luck or fortune. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm under.

[Mephistophilus]

Fair enough. My intention isn't to "bag" on them. I agree with a lot of their views.

A couple of youTube users are interested in a debate on the subject that would hopefully involve TAE,RRS & the community. I would love for Harris to be in on it. I can't speak for all , to me luck is being at the right place with enough preparation.

[JimShadyUK]

I don't believe in luck or fortune as entities in themselves. However, I do believe in coincidence that can have a beneficial effect, and I would term that as "luck", even though I don't believe in something happening to someone without a cause. By that, I mean that if I fell out of an aeroplane and landed in a haystack, I would be incredibly lucky. However, that haystack would not have been there for any reason to do with me - it was coincidentally positioned at my point of impact.

[forger42]

Hehe, you could visibly see Matt flinch when the caller said 'atheim teachings' :)

Think I did a little too :)

[fatmanprime]

Me too.

[Nashy119]

It's wrong that it's such a big deal over in America. Unless all your conversations involve discussions like these then I don't see a reason why it would affect anything.

It seems kind of childish in a way.

[condorlio07]

well some people have really rapid and complex thought processes and need to tell people about whats on their mind more than others do. If he needs to keep talking about atheism then he's probably insecure about his (non)beliefs and is still afraid of god.

[DesiredControl107]

It's all part of transition process. You live your entire life fearing what "he" is going to think or do to you, it's hard to NOT think about that even when you stop believing it.

[matthewdoucette]

good point (desiredcontrol)

[DesiredControl107]

Thanks

[adolthitler]

Yes that might be true, if he were not provoked. Don't forget all the christians trying to break through the seperation of church and state. Not everyone likes the idea of a religious oligarchy running America. They try over and over to teach their creation myths alongside science. What of Hindu and Islamic creation theories? Don't forget they try to pump out propaganda to prevent atheists from hiolding public office. They have snuck in God we trust onto the money.

[beriukay]

Don't forget the "under god" clause of the Pledge, too. Or how not so long ago, atheism was synonymous with being an evil communist.

[TILLEYJS]

Polysmart: How would you describe theist musician, athletes, military, and politicians)? Faith is everywhere and is being crammed down our throats(atheist or opposite religions other than Christianity)!

[polysmart]

Nothing to be described. I am an atheist, and all I am saying is that if you parade around with it hard enough you are going to piss people off, religious or not.

[xXAkridXx]

So basically what you two are saying is everyone should shut up and stop speaking out?

[polysmart]

I best he's the type of guy who goes around parading "Look at me, I'm an atheist, what are you gonna do about it". If you want not to be shunned by others, try not being so darn adamant and pushy about your (non-)beliefs for starters.

[TILLEYJS]

I bet he doesn't unless he is pushed, or he is on his show.

[polysmart]

How do you know that. What I say is a possibility.

[n1bigdaddy]

he didn't say i know he said i bet :p

[TILLEYJS]

Polysmart: I don't claim to know what he does in his personal life. It is definitely a possibility. He does seem to be a little smug. I still be he doesn't run his mouth due to him having a media to rant on.

[adolthitler]

I bet, your possibility was stated more strongly than a mere possibility.

[Repoes]

Way to go assume things.

Sounds more like he's a victim of the rumour mill.

[wiskawind]

Excuse me, but some human beings get a little pissed off when they find out they have been herded like sheep, and bamboozled from birth, thinking they are worshipping a loving GOD, only to find out in latter years its a fucking murdering deity from some fucking desert death cult, that isnt even AMERICAN!!

I wish I could scream it from the rooftops! (smile)