BTW the Quran has always been memorized by people from the prophet until now. So even if a false Quran or one that was F***ed was made into text, the true Quran(dictation) can never be messed up because so many people have memorized it. This is why it is unique, this makes it free from corruption. And this is also how the message can never be altered or changed.
Very weak arguments...similar languages share common words, but they have different meanings for each respective language. You must take the meaning of the language in which it was intended.
The pages shown in the video are Kufic script which is original language of the koran it is undecipherable so when it was translated into quranic arabic most of the translation had to be "made up" by the translators which is why the koran is so full of errors and contradictions as the translators did not care if it was correct or not they just tried there best to make sense of a code they knew nothing about.
Kufic Arabic is Quranic Arabic you idiot. And Kufic was widely used by Arabs and "decipherable" to them. They wrote it for God's sake!! How could they write a script they culd not "decipher"? There are no "errors" or "contradictions" in the Quran. Only dots were added to make some of the letters more distinguished than others. Go read your stupid Bible which is full of scientific, historical errors and contradictions and alterations of the text.
@SCSA11 Kufic script is not koranic arabic the problem is reading it not writing it....there is plenty of errors and contradictions in the koran and in fact it is hard to find anything correct in the koran...and if the bible is a bad book why did the koran copy it and add more errors ?...you are a joker.
To those who claim that QUR'AN is written by a man/men and not The Word of GOD. stop saying that it was changed instead do 1 thing.Print a copy of This in which you make some changes by urself...Use ur al Brains and Skills & If you think that you might not be able to do that, Call out Your Geniuses & Savants and ask them to help you.Well if you could do that Then It would be proved that you are right in ur claim.But If u Still could/would NOT prove ur claim,Then just shut jst your damn mouth!
My Dear Brothers, These are not changes these are just improvements for Non Native Arabs... Could anyone of you show me any EDITION of Quran as the holy Bible has (Bible has many editions and amazingly for every new century) Quran is toaday as it was 1000 yrs before. Hope you would get the answer.
@farrukhansari2003 Just like the bible the English editions of the Qur'an have a lot of altered editions. The Hebrewe (old testament) and Greek (new testament) Have very little changes and none in the last 1000 years
@farrukhansari2003 the koran has changed many times firstly there is the 7 different readings each with 2 interpretations of the vowels then there is the changes made by the people who assembled the koran then there is the translations and everytime there was errors or additions or redactions.
@UnionGarside at least u read it but ur meant to ponder on it if u read the quran u would have found that verse i presume ur not an arab thats why its all over the place in your opinion but i agree i found it allover the place to but ur meant to ponder on the things sadi thats why when u ponder on it you will find you will rate it 5/5
The reason why no vowel markings or distinguishing dots are not found in the Quran shown in this video is because at that time the Arabs knew how to read the Arabic in the Quran without any vowel markings as it was their mother tongue. However when Islam spread many non-Arabs would embrace Islam and so these vowel markings or distinguishing dots where introduced so that the non-Arabs would not make mistakes when reading it as it is not their mother tongue. So NO, nothing got altered by man.
@ThisIsTheWay1991 no matter if the coran wasn't alterd by man , THE CORAN COME FROM SATAN ANYWAY , so with or without alteration the CORAN STILL SATANIC
understand god dose not talk to slave masters its a fake its called god begging... i dont come from abraham....... i'm from turtle island with a 100,000 year history you only have 6000...... your holy books are slave master books
And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except time. And they have no knowledge of it: they only conjecture.
Yes that is true... the Koran was gathered from believers and it wasn't written at the time of Muhammed, on the other hand, people who memorized it wrote it down after his death. Also, Arabic had no dots before that, which means an n sound can also be a t or th!! I took this at Islamic classes in my school, although they did not show it as if it would cause a problem in getting a precise text! .... ****Agnostic former-Muslim Palestinian***
@Logia1978 Yes. laugh at themselves for destroying their innate human curiosity and moral compass for the words of a child molesting, caravan raiding, power hungry flip flopping ,lying piece of shit.
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simply to tell you that the quran found in yemen is actually a copy of a personcalled musailma who claimed to be a prophet and thus changed the quran to his liking otherwise if u check the real oriinal copy of quran from the one in egypt, cairo its still the same we have today. you people need to get your history right
@Asqalane1405 The first thing you notice while reading the Quran is the extremely large numbers of errors and incoherence between certain Ayas !
The Quran admits that Jesus is the Massih (The Annointed One) of God. The Elected that God Yehowah has choosen. Not Muhammad who was a mere mortal and sinner with 11 wives ! Astaghfirullah ! A3udibillahi Mina Al Shatane Rajjim !
Surely the Messiah is the Messenger of Allah and there is none co-equal or comparable unto the One who Created the heavens and earth,
Say not: "three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be unto Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth.
Do good deeds in the life of this world and don't find yourself meeting your Creator with polytheism, as it is the utmost ignorance and unfortunate thing one can believe in
@Asqalane1405 But why is polytheism an unfortunate thing? If someone is a polytheist, he is not hurting anyone. Most people have been killed in the name of one God! Not in the name of many Gods.
One who does polytheism, is by this action doing the greatest injustice to him/herself
Ascribing that which solely belongs to his/her Creator to others from amongst the creation, is the greatest injustice, unthankfulness and ignorance one can do
making others; whether it be men, carved stones, statues, animals, or matter (nature)
equal with the Creator, is polytheism and the greatest injustice and ignorance
The Messenger of Allah (صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said that Allah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ) said,
(in what would mean)
"O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and will not attain benefitting Me so as to benefit Me.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more that a needle decreases the sea if put into it.
O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him finds good praise Allah and let him who finds other than that blame no one but himself."
@Asqalane1405 You are still going on saying that Allah will punish us for polytheism. This is supposedly because polytheism is bad. I am asking WHY is it so bad?
Don't quote out of the quran, just tell me of your own thinking, why is it bad? No polytheist is harming others. The polytheists are the same humans as you. They are as successful as you, they have the same feelings and dreams. So how they harming themselves?
Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body which if it is sound the whole body becomes sound, but if it gets corrupt the whole body gets corrupt, and that is the heart.
@Asqalane1405 'and by doing so you're doing a great wronging'
Again. All you are saying is that because it is written in the quran, it is wrong. I don't believe that the Quran is God's word. So don't quote from it.
I am saying that by being polytheistic:
Am I causing any harm to human life?
Am I stealing or robbing from anyone?
Am I asking you to be polytheistic?
Am I forcing you to be polytheistic?
And since I am not doing any of those, then how is being polytheistic wrong?
@Asqalane1405 'the objects that are devouted to, did not create anything, they have no power of harm nor benefit, they can't grant anything, nor do they hear or know'
Equal with the creator? When the objects we make cannot do anything as you have said, then how are we making equals to Allah?
And if we are not making equals, how are we doing 'enormous wronging'?
Many people have been killed in the name of God. More in the name of one God than in the names of many Gods.
"do good deeds sincerely only for the pleasure of their Creator"
What? You don't do good things just to please your sky daddy, there are REAL pragmatic reasons to be good. If you didn't believe in god(s), you would kill everyone? Madness.
"polytheism is that which makes you very distant from your Creator"
Of course a monotheistic religion would say this. It's like a Ford salesman telling you that a Lexus car will make you distant from pleasure XD
@Asqalane1405 See, I don't believe in this Jannah neither do I believe in your Quran. Nor do I think Muhammad was a messenger, I only consider him a great leader.
So stop talking to me about Jannah or Quran. Stop saying that because it is written in the Quran it is bad (this is what you have been saying since the beginning.)
Besides the fact that it is forbidden in ancient books, how is polytheism wrong when I am not hurting anyone? Is there any other reason you can give me?
@papputhegrate if you believing in the Qur'an with all your heart and soul You can healing anything. you can lift and move anything. You can even walk to thru fire if you was trap in one. the Qur'an can protect you from anything. if you read and resist it right and follow it correctly, righteously and believing in its messages, It will give you knowledge behind the education that mankind have to give to us. read for yourself
@lassinad51 If what you said is all true, then the Muslim majority and Islamic nations of the world should have been the best in the world! Unfortunately, it is not so. The best nations of the world are Sweden, Japan, Norway etc. which have a large percentage of atheists!
@papputhegrate : i hope u get a hidayah..yo how about USA with largest Percentage of crishtian and Turk With the Islam,are they are not one of the greatest nation of the world??and how about with indonesia or the arab nation?they are got a lots of resources
@rulanoz I have already got a hidayah, you need one. More than a hidayah, you need a brain. USA is not a Muslim majority or Islamic country. Indonesia is a developing country and the arabs, in spite of all the resources are not the best of nations. Japan, Sweden, Norway are the best of countries, and they have majority atheists. A simple thing that your little brain refuses to understand!
@papputhegrate who says america is muslim majority,i sayin america with largest Percentage of crishtian ...of course a resources is the high thing that a country must have,i think u should check ur brain
Ibn 'Abbas (رضى الله عنهما) said, that the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
He who gives time to a debtor or forgives him, then Allah will save him from the heat of Jahannam. Behold! The deeds of Paradise are difficult to reach, for they are on top of a hill, while the deeds of the Fire are easy to find in the lowlands. The happy person is he who is saved from the tests.....[Ahmad]
Jabir bin Abdullah (رضى الله عنه) reported that Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) happened to walk through the bazar coming from the side of 'Aliya and the people were on both his sides. There he found a dead lamb with very short ears. He took hold of his ear and said:
"Who amongst you would like to have this for a Dirham? They said: We do not like to have it even for less than that as it is of no use to us. He said: Do you wish to have it?
They said: "By Allah, even if it were alive (we would not have liked to possess that), for there is detect in it as its ear is very short; now it is dead also."
Thereupon Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said:
If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) like Him Who is the All-Knower.
And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him. But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away. And man is ever ungrateful.
@Asqalane1405 Muhammad was no Messenger (has revealed new messages) nor a Prophet (has never declared a prophecy that had accomplished) neither a Man of God except maybe of Shaytan. Muhammad did not even respect the Torah Laws or the Laws of Jesus teaching.
He was a ruthless and blood-thirsty sinner false prophet !
What makes me laugh is if the west cannot understand it then there is some things wrong, who gave them the right to judge. Now they are going to tell us muslims what is our religion is. as of these so called idiot researchers using their stupid method to re intrepet the Holy Qur'an, thats just pathetic its like saying lets intrepret english using french, what a pathetic attempt to discredit Islam.
obviously just another western orientalist attack against Islam, on one hand their western military crusade against muslim world and on the other against islam. And History is proof of it how the west has always been the enemy of islam.
at that point the believers were tested and severely shaken. When the hypocrites and people with sickness in their hearts said, "What Allah and His Messenger promised us was mere delusion."(Surat al-Ahzab, 11-12)
It is well known that the first manuscripts of the Quran were written without vowel marks or arabic consonant dots. This is because Islamically, there are atleast 7 different ways to recite the Quran, with different rules for consonant placements.
In fact there is a manuscript written well before this one ordered by Uthman Ibn Affan RadhiAllahu Anhu, without the mentioned dots. Al-Waleed came much later.
@theottoman786 Furthermore, by consensus of >1400 years of Islamic scholarship, a written copy of the Quran was never the standard for its presentation. Preservation was always passed down through rigorously established chains of transmission through memorization through multiple chains of recitation.
Neither did you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) read any book before it (this Qur'an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted.
@Asqalane1405 Surat Al Anqaboot 29:27: "And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous."
The Messianic and Prophetic line came through the seed of Abraham with his wife Sarah, Itshaac and through Yaaqob not through Ishmael the son of an Egyptian slave.
Wake up ! The Quran is full of lies, contradictions and corrupted !
And the thing about the grapes. ok cool story. theres a chance that the dots are in the wrong place. and it means grapes. Oh wow look grapes are everywhere in manmade christianity. CONNECTION???
@ahmrou82 Did you read the text from the Oman Mosque? There are many scholars who tell me otherwise. The Koran has only been stable since the Cairo text was established. Salman Rushdie certainly hit a nerve didn't he...
@Logia1978 I absolutely know that there were many versions of the Koran/Quran and memory by heart without a guiding text is notoriously innacurate. This is why us Kuffar laugh at silly muslims who think the Koran is stable and accurate.
@NoFaithNoPain No you certainly don't need text to learn by heart. certainly not, certainly not. A toddler learns his first words by text? Did you learn your language by text? Your argument is destroyed in seconds.
@ingehs You can certainly learn something accurately orally. You can't keep complex stories stabe over large numbers of people and over generations without text to refer back to. There is EVIDENCE of a changing Quran, I don't need to argue. My argument is not destroyed in seconds I am afraid. Your Quran is still wrong, and frankly a bit silly. I suggest you go to the web page of the council of Ex Muslims to guide you in your wobbling faith.
@NoFaithNoPain There is no point arguing with you when you have drawn your conclusions without conducting research. This kind of research is not acceptable. You can carry on large amounts of stories to next generations without a text if and only if the stories are in Quranic Arabic. Your argument is true for all other languages except Aramaic languages. There is a reason Arabs used to call Non-Arabic people ''mute''.
@NoFaithNoPain I laugh at the council of ex-muslims who feel they need to tell the world they had renounced their faith. I never see other people leaving their religions and rejoicing on it on a website and telling the world. Funny. They themselves are wobbling in their faith.
Secondly Quran is not mine, i am not copyright holder of Quran. Correct yourself.
@ingehs I am afraid I have conducted a lot of research. You have only seen what the crazy Islamic scholars tell you. The Council of Ex Muslims have to form a council to help others because the penalty for apostacy is death!
@NoFaithNoPain You have conducted research? Good for you, but to engage in an argument you can't just say ''I have done lot of research''. You need to show your research. The penalty for apostasy is not death. Where it is? Prove it if have done lot of research.
@NoFaithNoPain I renounced what you said first that penalty of apostasy is death so the burden is on you to prove the penalty is death. Wait a second, penalty is secondary, apostasy is not even a crime.
@NoFaithNoPain The one thing I know about Muslims is their utter dishonesty when interpreting the Koran and the Hadiths. The Hadiths are fine to tell you that you must prey five times a day or as the basis for Sharia but when you want to deny the unpleasant nonsense in your faith you say the Hadiths are untrustworthy. There is no Muslim Pope so you can interpret your faith any way you want. If you go to a Muslim country they will soon show you the error of your ways.
@NoFaithNoPain Try to understand he difference. Praying 5 times a day is derived from hadith not Quran, correct but there is no denial of praying 5 times in Quran hence no clash between hadith and Quran.
In the case of apostasy, Hadiths sanction apostasy but Quran says otherwise, so there is big clash.
We know hadiths explain Quran, not contradict Quran. So if any hadith contradicts Quran, we reject it. Hadith is only recorded form of man's words, recorded by erroneous men.
@ingehs I understand the difference perfectly. The Koran says many contradictory things, so what it has to say about Apostacy is irrelevant, especially since you can interpret the Koran how you like. Muslim countries under Sharia disagree with you on the pealty for apostacy so who is right? Islam is, as Muslims do, not what they variously claim what the Koran says.
@NoFaithNoPain I can see, don't think that if you can interpret Quran bad (which you are good at) Muslims will do tha same. It aint going to happen, never ever.
Quran says nothing about apostasy. FULL STOP, you want to believe in the Quran or narrations of hadith by an erroneous human? Which text is more sacred Quran or Bukhari?
Secondly, don't tell me muslim countries do this and that. Muslim countries economy is based on charging interest which against Quran, so that means...
@ingehs First you say Apostacy is opposed in the Quran, then you say the Quran says nothing about it. First logical failure. In fact since you say YOURSELF that the Hadiths are believed unless the Quran opposes it, if the Quran says nothing about Apostacy then by YOUR OWN LOGIC Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 and Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57 are to be believed and the penalty is death. You are completely pwned.
@NoFaithNoPain So for you comments made by a person whose first language is not english and whose description of one subject differ because his vocabulary is limited is an acceptable reason for you to believe he is losing the argument? Is English standard of truth these days?
Bukhari was ONE person compiling sayings of prophet on his own. Quran was compiled by hundreds of muslim in a major state funded project.
@NoFaithNoPain "There is no compulsion in religion" <---that is the Ayah upon which the belief that it is against Islam to force someone to become, or remain, a Muslim. If I were you this would be the point at which I would say something childish like, "you are completely pwned". Please grow up and learn to debate with people without trying to act superior. That is actually a very theistic personality trait. :P
@boffan1988 What a hypocrytical reply. I responded with the same bad will he gave to me and although not my politest moment it stands as a fact that his logic was completely defeated. That Ayah does not stand regarding Apostasy since it only applies to initial choice of religion. The Koran DOES advocate compulsion anyway and is totally contradictory. People right now are being killed by Muslims for being apostates and yet you are denying it. That is like being a holocaust denier.
@boffan1988 ""That Ayah does not stand regarding Apostasy since it only applies to initial choice of religion." <---According to whom?" According to anyone that wants to interpret it that way. That's the problem with Islam.
@boffan1988 ""The Koran DOES advocate compulsion anyway and is totally contradictory." <---verses please?" Sorry, not playing the scripture game, done that, been there, it would have us arguing all day. If you want to look yourself then look up the Jizya. If that is not just one example ofo tacit compulsion then I don't know what is.
@NoFaithNoPain If you are going to make a claim, I have the right to refute it and it would be hypocritical of you to not at least read my rebuttal, no? So my response to this claim about the Jizya is coming next...
@boffan1988 You can refute it as much as you want. I just said I wasn't playing the scriptures game, because scripture can be interpreted how you like.
@NoFaithNoPain "because scripture can be interpreted how you like." <---Of course it can. So why do you cite one interpretation(an extremist one) over liberal interpretations? Oh, we know why...because citing extremist interpretations serves your ideological agenda. Once again, we are seeing behavior from atheists eerily similar to the behavior from fundamentalist theists that they claim to abhor.
@boffan1988 I quote the extreme ones because the enemies of peace, knowledge and reason use them. Since the Koran is a floored book and is obviously the work of man not God then it is important that people like me go out and tell the truth so people can hear both sides of the argument before converting to a religion based upon a fundamental falsehood.
@NoFaithNoPain Jizya is mentioned in one place in the Qur'an: This verse in 9-29 is claimed to be the verse that approved offensive Jihad and the collection of taxes by Muslim authorities against non Muslims. So what does the Quran say?(CONT'D)
@NoFaithNoPain "People right now are being killed by Muslims for being apostates and yet you are denying it. That is like being a holocaust denier." <---You know, I find this quite insulting. You need to learn how to read, my man. Where did I ever deny this? I am one of the most vehement opponents of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc. you will find. I believe in democracy, secular government, freedom of religion etc.
@NoFaithNoPain Wahhabism/Salafism is a cancer upon the Islamic faith. Regardless of the fact that it is unfortunately mainstream in Islam today, it is still wrong. I am a Sufi and according to Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi scholars, I am an apostate. :) Chill out.
@boffan1988 On this I agree. I am all for a milder Islam since it will be impossible to stamp Islam out completely - we have to work with it rather than against it all the time.
@NoFaithNoPain Why would you want to "stamp out" anything, though? I don't want to stamp out atheism. The person I am closest to in this world, my uncle, is a militant atheist. Muhammad(peace be upon him)'s uncle, Abu Talib, never converted to Islam. Yet he was the Prophet's close confidant and protector.
@boffan1988 "Why would you want to "stamp out" anything, though? " Why would you not want to stamp out all forms of stupidity, ignorance and repression? Religion is all of those.
@boffan1988 "I don't go around calling atheism any of that. Atheists like you are no better than religious extremists." Thats because Atheism merely means a lack of belief in a God or Gods. Therefore there is nothing to criticise. Look, you can't cherry pick your scriptures. If there is one bad one in the Koran (and there are many) then it is not the word of a God.
@NoFaithNoPain The Islamic Golden age was nothing of the sort. Just slightly better than what the Christians were up to at the time. How quickly we resort to that primitive time as an example of how great Islam is. If you want to interpret the Koran to suggest the Earth is NOT flat then you are welcome. You would be wrong though and you just start to look silly trying.
@boffan1988 "You're such a hypocrite! You're as sanctimonious and full of shit as religious fundamentalists are. All you do is empower them." Love it. Here is you lecturing me about reasonable language in a debate. It didn't take you long to descend to this did it? Your faith is wrong, your methods of argument dishonest and despite the fact you are a clever boy with a sharp mind, your best efforts just don't work so you get frustrated.
@boffan1988 "Muhammad(peace be upon him)'s uncle, Abu Talib, never converted to Islam. Yet he was the Prophet's close confidant and protector." Well, these kinds of double standards from the Charlatain Muhammed are not unknown. I do hope you are not using the "Hadith" as a reference here, because we all know how terribly untrustworthy those are (whenever it suits you).
@NoFaithNoPain The Hadith are very questionable. Some Muslims don't believe in them at all. Myself, I only accept a Hadith when it is in full agreement with the Qur'an and expands upon a topic already mentioned in the Qur'an. A great example is prayer. The Qur'an commands Muslims to pray daily but does not instruct as to how. The details of how to pray are in the Hadith. (CONT'd)
@NoFaithNoPain It's not cherry picking. There has been conflicting jurisprudence on how to interpret and accept Hadith as authentic for centuries. Religion is very personal and it's only natural that there are a myriad of interpretations; that is a good thing, in my opinion. During the Islamic Golden Age there were over 9,000 madhabs(schools of interpretation). (CONT'd)
@boffan1988 Of course its not Cherry picking. If you don't like the Hadith, then say it conflicts with the Koran which is interpreted how you like. If you do like the Hadith its genuine, then reinterpret the conflicting verse so it does not contradict. Perfect! If a Quranic verse looks dodgy then its out of context. If a verse is more moderate than you want then it is abrogated. Not cherry picked at all.
@NoFaithNoPain The problem with Islam over the last few centuries is that it became closed to the wide variety of interpretation you had in the early days. Christianity went through a similar period that we in the West now refer to as the dark ages. On the one hand, you talk about wanting a more moderate Islam then you turn around and try to undercut liberals like myself by saying that our liberal interpretation is intellectually dishonest.
@boffan1988 "On the one hand, you talk about wanting a more moderate Islam then you turn around and try to undercut liberals like myself by saying that our liberal interpretation is intellectually dishonest. " Actually you have a good point there. Unfortunately, I can not accept faulty reasoning or condone it even though it is much preferable to the Saudi Wahabi schools of viciousness that I have experienced first hand.
@NoFaithNoPain Man, I am sorry you experienced whatever you did. I'm a Sufi, so they'd string me up, too. lol. You have to realize, though, it's RELIGION. IT's ALL personal interpretation of texts which are, frankly, very vague and open to interpretation. It's both the great strength and great weakness of organized religion. As long as human beings are mortal and face death, religion isn't going anywhere. I rediscovered my faith in dealing with my father's death. (CONT'd)
"IT's ALL personal interpretation of texts which are, frankly, very vague and open to interpretation."
This is why religion and science cannot intermingle.
"As long as human beings are mortal and face death, religion isn't going anywhere."
If 1 person can shed religious superstition, why can't a million, or a billion? We have a billion non-believers, people in Iceland and Norway who don't believe yet aren't afraid of death- they embrace the truth and live life.
@TurboDally It's irrational to me NOT to fear death. Don't you want to see your loved ones again, my brother? You're probably young and have not lost someone you can't live without. I'm young, too but I have dealt with more death in my lifetime than 90% of people my age.
this video is a bunch of garbage , ALLAHUAKBBBBAR
izlamiztruth 1 week ago
BTW the Quran has always been memorized by people from the prophet until now. So even if a false Quran or one that was F***ed was made into text, the true Quran(dictation) can never be messed up because so many people have memorized it. This is why it is unique, this makes it free from corruption. And this is also how the message can never be altered or changed.
daness621 2 weeks ago 3
Very weak arguments...similar languages share common words, but they have different meanings for each respective language. You must take the meaning of the language in which it was intended.
daness621 2 weeks ago
When the quran was first reveled, it was memorized by thousands of men
Zezzi365 2 weeks ago 7
quran was preserved allahuakabar .
izlamiztruth 2 weeks ago
Ha ha ha. Grapes for blowing yourself up!!
herringla 2 weeks ago
Taking a book, so obviously written by man, as the litteral word of an imagined beeing.. Is insane.
TheJo4an 2 weeks ago
@TheJo4an ....well said....but that is the mentallity of the backward muslim faith
philipofportugal 2 weeks ago
The pages shown in the video are Kufic script which is original language of the koran it is undecipherable so when it was translated into quranic arabic most of the translation had to be "made up" by the translators which is why the koran is so full of errors and contradictions as the translators did not care if it was correct or not they just tried there best to make sense of a code they knew nothing about.
philipofportugal 2 weeks ago
@philipofportugal
Kufic Arabic is Quranic Arabic you idiot. And Kufic was widely used by Arabs and "decipherable" to them. They wrote it for God's sake!! How could they write a script they culd not "decipher"? There are no "errors" or "contradictions" in the Quran. Only dots were added to make some of the letters more distinguished than others. Go read your stupid Bible which is full of scientific, historical errors and contradictions and alterations of the text.
SCSA11 2 weeks ago
@SCSA11 Kufic script is not koranic arabic the problem is reading it not writing it....there is plenty of errors and contradictions in the koran and in fact it is hard to find anything correct in the koran...and if the bible is a bad book why did the koran copy it and add more errors ?...you are a joker.
philipofportugal 2 weeks ago
I'm Muslim and I have zero problem with what this German "scholar" is doing.
Why? Because it's not going to work. He will essentially end up proving the authentic preservation of the Quran.
In scholarship it is much more difficult to make up fake propoganda like what occurs when christian missionaries try to "analyze" the Quran
I watched the entire video and there was nothing even remotely problematic. He'll soon have to start making stuff up if he wants to be convincing
freeshyne1234 3 weeks ago
@freeshyne1234 Exactly. He's doing his "Atheistic Job". He's paid for that after all.
SSTK1982 2 weeks ago
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
hisham5128 3 weeks ago
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To those who claim that QUR'AN is written by a man/men and not The Word of GOD. stop saying that it was changed instead do 1 thing.Print a copy of This in which you make some changes by urself...Use ur al Brains and Skills & If you think that you might not be able to do that, Call out Your Geniuses & Savants and ask them to help you.Well if you could do that Then It would be proved that you are right in ur claim.But If u Still could/would NOT prove ur claim,Then just shut jst your damn mouth!
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Bull shit!!!
HassanXsaudi 3 weeks ago
These "improvements" are CHANGES, because it was NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Yahweigh 3 weeks ago
My Dear Brothers, These are not changes these are just improvements for Non Native Arabs... Could anyone of you show me any EDITION of Quran as the holy Bible has (Bible has many editions and amazingly for every new century) Quran is toaday as it was 1000 yrs before. Hope you would get the answer.
farrukhansari2003 3 weeks ago
@farrukhansari2003 Just like the bible the English editions of the Qur'an have a lot of altered editions. The Hebrewe (old testament) and Greek (new testament) Have very little changes and none in the last 1000 years
basiccomputerhelp 3 weeks ago
@farrukhansari2003 the koran has changed many times firstly there is the 7 different readings each with 2 interpretations of the vowels then there is the changes made by the people who assembled the koran then there is the translations and everytime there was errors or additions or redactions.
philipofportugal 2 weeks ago
The Quran is amazing
855842 4 weeks ago
I wasn't impressed by the Qur'an, the characters suck and the narrative of the story is all over the place. 1/5 stars!!!
UnionGarside 1 month ago
@UnionGarside at least u read it but ur meant to ponder on it if u read the quran u would have found that verse i presume ur not an arab thats why its all over the place in your opinion but i agree i found it allover the place to but ur meant to ponder on the things sadi thats why when u ponder on it you will find you will rate it 5/5
naweedatbein 3 weeks ago
the idea of suicide bombers getting a bowl of grapes makes me lols XDD
Malayboy79 1 month ago
this infidels would try anything possible to alter muslims souls and make disbelievers like them. smh
somrazy3 1 month ago
The reason why no vowel markings or distinguishing dots are not found in the Quran shown in this video is because at that time the Arabs knew how to read the Arabic in the Quran without any vowel markings as it was their mother tongue. However when Islam spread many non-Arabs would embrace Islam and so these vowel markings or distinguishing dots where introduced so that the non-Arabs would not make mistakes when reading it as it is not their mother tongue. So NO, nothing got altered by man.
ThisIsTheWay1991 1 month ago 22
@ThisIsTheWay1991 no matter if the coran wasn't alterd by man , THE CORAN COME FROM SATAN ANYWAY , so with or without alteration the CORAN STILL SATANIC
DANIELandNADIA050 2 weeks ago
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understand god dose not talk to slave masters its a fake its called god begging... i dont come from abraham....... i'm from turtle island with a 100,000 year history you only have 6000...... your holy books are slave master books
ZorroIsGod1 1 month ago
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Allah سبحانه و تعالى said,
وَقَالُوا مَا هِيَ إِلَّا حَيَاتُنَا الدُّنْيَا نَمُوتُ وَنَحْيَا وَمَا يُهْلِكُنَا إِلَّا الدَّهْرُ ۚ وَمَا لَهُم بِذَٰلِكَ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ۖ إِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَظُنُّونَ
And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except time. And they have no knowledge of it: they only conjecture.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
The Koran was passed down orally, and after Muhammad's death it was gathered in texts!
Meero1993 1 month ago
Yes that is true... the Koran was gathered from believers and it wasn't written at the time of Muhammed, on the other hand, people who memorized it wrote it down after his death. Also, Arabic had no dots before that, which means an n sound can also be a t or th!! I took this at Islamic classes in my school, although they did not show it as if it would cause a problem in getting a precise text! .... ****Agnostic former-Muslim Palestinian***
Meero1993 1 month ago
Speaking as an ex-muslim; how can an oxford graduate believe in this shit! I mean wow! Humanity is stupid!
EarlRegent 1 month ago
This is complete bulshit..
These orientalists really dont know anything about the arab communities.
Those societies were ORAL societies....
Quran is like a POEM, that's why millions of Muslims learned it by heart and dont need the Text, the book...
Dr Jamal Badawi destroys these kind of argument. I myself can see the stupidity of this kind of argument so muslims must really laugh....
Logia1978 1 month ago
@Logia1978 Even Tabari had a hard time finding meaning in some words, are you questioning him as well? Care to pin-point the "Bu-lsh-t"
I dont think Islam teachs you to speak like this, does it?
Malangsufi 1 month ago
@Logia1978 Yes. laugh at themselves for destroying their innate human curiosity and moral compass for the words of a child molesting, caravan raiding, power hungry flip flopping ,lying piece of shit.
EarlRegent 1 month ago
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TrumpetCallofGodLT 1 month ago
May Peace Blessings of Allah Almighty be on him
mueez89 1 month ago
the oldest was written in Prophet Muhammad's own life time..
not sure about this one
mueez89 1 month ago
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tigersforchrist 1 month ago
simply to tell you that the quran found in yemen is actually a copy of a personcalled musailma who claimed to be a prophet and thus changed the quran to his liking otherwise if u check the real oriinal copy of quran from the one in egypt, cairo its still the same we have today. you people need to get your history right
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historyscoper 1 month ago
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its not the oldest manuscript of the Quran
this propaganda is based on a book called: the syro-aramaic reading of the koran wish western Academic have been critical of his book
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Google: Academic reviews The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran
Jewzi123 1 month ago
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its propaganda based on a book called: the syro-aramaic reading of the koran wish western Academic have been critical of his book
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Google: Academic reviews The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran
Jewzi123 1 month ago
: this video is a propaganda just read this its based on the syro-aramaic reading of the koran wish western Academic have been critical of his book
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Google: Academic reviews The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran
Jewzi123 1 month ago
its not the oldest manuscript of the Quran
Jewzi123 1 month ago
Allah سبحانه و تعالى said,
تَنزِيلُ الْكِتَابِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ مِن رَّبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) in which there is no doubt is
from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists)!
(Qur'an Surah as-Sajdah Ayah 2)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 The first thing you notice while reading the Quran is the extremely large numbers of errors and incoherence between certain Ayas !
The Quran admits that Jesus is the Massih (The Annointed One) of God. The Elected that God Yehowah has choosen. Not Muhammad who was a mere mortal and sinner with 11 wives ! Astaghfirullah ! A3udibillahi Mina Al Shatane Rajjim !
Amrruk 1 month ago
O Amrruk
Free and far far away is the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) from your ignorance and falsehood
and free and far far away is al-Maseeh, 'Isa ibn Maryam (عليه الصلاة والسلام)
(the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary (upon him be blessing and peace)
and his beloved, chaste mother from the ignorance and false you believe
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
Surely the Messiah is the Messenger of Allah and there is none co-equal or comparable unto the One who Created the heavens and earth,
Say not: "three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be unto Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O Amrruk
Do good deeds in the life of this world and don't find yourself meeting your Creator with polytheism, as it is the utmost ignorance and unfortunate thing one can believe in
and all the Messengers of God warned from it
so don't lie about the Messengers of God
Asqalane1405 1 month ago 3
@Asqalane1405 But why is polytheism an unfortunate thing? If someone is a polytheist, he is not hurting anyone. Most people have been killed in the name of one God! Not in the name of many Gods.
papputhegrate 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
One who does polytheism, is by this action doing the greatest injustice to him/herself
Ascribing that which solely belongs to his/her Creator to others from amongst the creation, is the greatest injustice, unthankfulness and ignorance one can do
making others; whether it be men, carved stones, statues, animals, or matter (nature)
equal with the Creator, is polytheism and the greatest injustice and ignorance
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 OK OK Allah said that polytheism is bad. The question is why? How is it injustice? Why is it ignorance?
We are setting up a rival to Allah? How?
And if we are why is allah so insecure if he is so powerful?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
The Messenger of Allah (صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said that Allah (عَزَّ وَجَلَّ) said,
(in what would mean)
"O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and will not attain benefitting Me so as to benefit Me.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more that a needle decreases the sea if put into it.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him finds good praise Allah and let him who finds other than that blame no one but himself."
[Muslimm, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Allah عَزَّ وَجَلَّ is not in need of anyone, He is al-Ghani (Free from all wants, the Rich)
al-Hameed (Worthy of all praise)
By doing shirk (polytheism) you're just harming yourself,
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 You are still going on saying that Allah will punish us for polytheism. This is supposedly because polytheism is bad. I am asking WHY is it so bad?
Don't quote out of the quran, just tell me of your own thinking, why is it bad? No polytheist is harming others. The polytheists are the same humans as you. They are as successful as you, they have the same feelings and dreams. So how they harming themselves?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
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O papputhegrate
The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
أَلاَ وَإِنَّ فِي الْجَسَدِ مُضْغَةً إِذَا صَلَحَتْ صَلَحَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ، وَإِذَا فَسَدَتْ فَسَدَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ. أَلاَ وَهِيَ الْقَلْبُ
Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body which if it is sound the whole body becomes sound, but if it gets corrupt the whole body gets corrupt, and that is the heart.
[Bukhari]
polytheism - arrogance are the biggest corruption
Jannah (Paradise) have been forbidden for these
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
By doing polytheism, even thoug you may not believe that the item being devouted to did not Create the universe, still
you are ascribing the powers and attributes of your Creator to whatever it is you're calling upon, worshipping
and by doing so you're doing a great wronging
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
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@Asqalane1405 'and by doing so you're doing a great wronging'
Again. All you are saying is that because it is written in the quran, it is wrong. I don't believe that the Quran is God's word. So don't quote from it.
I am saying that by being polytheistic:
Am I causing any harm to human life?
Am I stealing or robbing from anyone?
Am I asking you to be polytheistic?
Am I forcing you to be polytheistic?
And since I am not doing any of those, then how is being polytheistic wrong?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Do you believe in God?
If so, ask your Creator for guidance sincerely
and may Allah تعالى guide you to Islam
surely polytheism, making equals with Allah is indeed a great wronging
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 'surely polytheism, making equals with Allah is indeed a great wronging'
Why? I am not hurting anyone, not stealing, not affecting anyone. So why is it wrong?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
It is great that you are not doing any of those bad deeds
Polytheism and arrogance are of the worst things a person can possess in the heart
and I hope I explained why
the objects that are devouted to, did not create anything, they have no power of harm nor benefit, they can't grant anything, nor do they hear or know
So making such, equal with the Creator of heavens and earth; asking them as you are suppose to ask your Creator is and enormous wronging
do you see what I mean?
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 'the objects that are devouted to, did not create anything, they have no power of harm nor benefit, they can't grant anything, nor do they hear or know'
Equal with the creator? When the objects we make cannot do anything as you have said, then how are we making equals to Allah?
And if we are not making equals, how are we doing 'enormous wronging'?
Many people have been killed in the name of God. More in the name of one God than in the names of many Gods.
papputhegrate 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Such deny Justice and Wisdom for their Creator, Subhana
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمُ اسْتَحَبُّوا الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا
That is because they loved and preferred the life of this world
and because of it
in the life of this world; accumulate bad deeds
the heart becomes covered up, due to them not feeling no accountability and seeing death as something doubtful, while it should have made them reflect
and heavy will their burden be, because of such mistakes
it's a disease in the heart
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
So what is better than telling people to not deny their Creator, to do good deeds sincerely only for the pleasure of their Creator
and not to make equals with your Creator
Islam would lead you to Eeman and good deeds and close to your Creator
polytheism is that which makes you very distant from your Creator
so consider Islam
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
"do good deeds sincerely only for the pleasure of their Creator"
What? You don't do good things just to please your sky daddy, there are REAL pragmatic reasons to be good. If you didn't believe in god(s), you would kill everyone? Madness.
"polytheism is that which makes you very distant from your Creator"
Of course a monotheistic religion would say this. It's like a Ford salesman telling you that a Lexus car will make you distant from pleasure XD
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Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 See, I don't believe in this Jannah neither do I believe in your Quran. Nor do I think Muhammad was a messenger, I only consider him a great leader.
So stop talking to me about Jannah or Quran. Stop saying that because it is written in the Quran it is bad (this is what you have been saying since the beginning.)
Besides the fact that it is forbidden in ancient books, how is polytheism wrong when I am not hurting anyone? Is there any other reason you can give me?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Jannah is true and Jahannam is true
those who deny the hereafter are of those who ascribe deficiency unto their Creator
it is the hearts that will be examined on the of Resurrection
وَحُصِّلَ مَا فِي الصُّدُورِ
And that which is inside the chests is made known
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Allah سبحانه و تعالى said,
That Ibraahim (عليه السلام) (Abraham) said,
قَالَ أَتَعْبُدُونَ مَا تَنْحِتُونَ - وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَكُمْ وَمَا تَعْمَلُونَ
He said: "Do you worship that which you (yourselves) carve?
While Allah has created you and what you make!''
(Qur'an Surah as-Saaffat Ayat 95-96)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405
"O papputhegrate"
O spammer
Do you not realise that you will not sell your religion by dumping pamphlets in peoples letter boxes, but by rational discourse?
O spammer
I quote men who speak honestly, but not those men pretending to know the mind of god(s) (Moohammad, Moses, Jesus, etc)?
“Nothing is permanent in this wicked world – not even our troubles.” Charlie Chaplin
TurboDally 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 Can you do anything more than quote from the Quran?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
@papputhegrate if you believing in the Qur'an with all your heart and soul You can healing anything. you can lift and move anything. You can even walk to thru fire if you was trap in one. the Qur'an can protect you from anything. if you read and resist it right and follow it correctly, righteously and believing in its messages, It will give you knowledge behind the education that mankind have to give to us. read for yourself
lassinad51 1 month ago
@lassinad51 If what you said is all true, then the Muslim majority and Islamic nations of the world should have been the best in the world! Unfortunately, it is not so. The best nations of the world are Sweden, Japan, Norway etc. which have a large percentage of atheists!
papputhegrate 1 month ago
@papputhegrate : i hope u get a hidayah..yo how about USA with largest Percentage of crishtian and Turk With the Islam,are they are not one of the greatest nation of the world??and how about with indonesia or the arab nation?they are got a lots of resources
rulanoz 1 month ago
@rulanoz I have already got a hidayah, you need one. More than a hidayah, you need a brain. USA is not a Muslim majority or Islamic country. Indonesia is a developing country and the arabs, in spite of all the resources are not the best of nations. Japan, Sweden, Norway are the best of countries, and they have majority atheists. A simple thing that your little brain refuses to understand!
papputhegrate 1 month ago
@papputhegrate who says america is muslim majority,i sayin america with largest Percentage of crishtian ...of course a resources is the high thing that a country must have,i think u should check ur brain
rulanoz 1 month ago
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Ibn 'Abbas (رضى الله عنهما) said, that the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
He who gives time to a debtor or forgives him, then Allah will save him from the heat of Jahannam. Behold! The deeds of Paradise are difficult to reach, for they are on top of a hill, while the deeds of the Fire are easy to find in the lowlands. The happy person is he who is saved from the tests.....[Ahmad]
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
It was related by Hudhaifa (رضى الله عنه),
that the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
تُعْرَضُ الْفِتَنُ عَلَى الْقُلُوبِ كَالْحَصِيرِ عُودًا عُودًا
"The trials (tests) are offered to the hearts, just as the straws that are sewn into a woven mat, one after another.... "[Muslim]
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 Can you do anything more than quote from the Quran and the Hadiths and the Sira?
papputhegrate 1 month ago
Jabir bin Abdullah (رضى الله عنه) reported that Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) happened to walk through the bazar coming from the side of 'Aliya and the people were on both his sides. There he found a dead lamb with very short ears. He took hold of his ear and said:
"Who amongst you would like to have this for a Dirham? They said: We do not like to have it even for less than that as it is of no use to us. He said: Do you wish to have it?
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
They said: "By Allah, even if it were alive (we would not have liked to possess that), for there is detect in it as its ear is very short; now it is dead also."
Thereupon Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said:
فَوَاللَّهِ لَلدُّنْيَا أَهْوَنُ عَلَى اللَّهِ مِنْ هَذَا عَلَيْكُمْ
By Allah, this world is more insignificant in the Sight of Allah as it is in your eye." [Muslim]
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Wealth is something Allah سبحانه و تعالى bestows upon people to test them thereby
Material gains brings not rest to the heart. And evaluating truth thereby is not truth
One should be grateful for the good one has and help the those less fortunate with it
and Allah عز و جل says, أَلَا بِذِكْرِ اللَّهِ تَطْمَئِنُّ الْقُلُوبُ
..Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest..
(Qur'an Surah ar-Ra'd Ayah 28)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O you
Allah تعالى said
إِن تَدْعُوهُمْ لَا يَسْمَعُوا دُعَاءَكُمْ وَلَوْ سَمِعُوا مَا اسْتَجَابُوا لَكُمْ ۖ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكْفُرُونَ بِشِرْكِكُمْ ۚ وَلَا يُنَبِّئُكَ مِثْلُ خَبِيرٍ
If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) like Him Who is the All-Knower.
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Asqalane1405 1 month ago
O papputhegrate
Narrated by 'Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) (رضى الله عنه):
I asked the Prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم), "What is the greatest sin in the Sight of Allah?"
He said, " أَنْ تَجْعَلَ لِلَّهِ نِدًّا وَهْوَ خَلَقَكَ
"That you set up a rival unto Allah though He Alone created you."
I said, "That is indeed a great sin...." [Bukhari]
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
Allah سبحانه و تعالى said,
وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الضُّرُّ فِي الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلَّا إِيَّاهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاكُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ ۚ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ كَفُورًا
And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him. But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away. And man is ever ungrateful.
(Qur'an Surah al-Israa' Ayah 67)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 Muhammad was no Messenger (has revealed new messages) nor a Prophet (has never declared a prophecy that had accomplished) neither a Man of God except maybe of Shaytan. Muhammad did not even respect the Torah Laws or the Laws of Jesus teaching.
He was a ruthless and blood-thirsty sinner false prophet !
Amrruk 1 month ago
and regarding the finding its not the oldest, Uthman version is. this work is equivalent of fox TV shame they forgotten to use naked women!
mawlududdin 1 month ago
What makes me laugh is if the west cannot understand it then there is some things wrong, who gave them the right to judge. Now they are going to tell us muslims what is our religion is. as of these so called idiot researchers using their stupid method to re intrepet the Holy Qur'an, thats just pathetic its like saying lets intrepret english using french, what a pathetic attempt to discredit Islam.
mawlududdin 1 month ago
obviously just another western orientalist attack against Islam, on one hand their western military crusade against muslim world and on the other against islam. And History is proof of it how the west has always been the enemy of islam.
mawlududdin 1 month ago
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at that point the believers were tested and severely shaken. When the hypocrites and people with sickness in their hearts said, "What Allah and His Messenger promised us was mere delusion."(Surat al-Ahzab, 11-12)
see this thats what the video is about
crappyhadith1 2 months ago in playlist islam
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crappyhadith1 2 months ago
It is well known that the first manuscripts of the Quran were written without vowel marks or arabic consonant dots. This is because Islamically, there are atleast 7 different ways to recite the Quran, with different rules for consonant placements.
In fact there is a manuscript written well before this one ordered by Uthman Ibn Affan RadhiAllahu Anhu, without the mentioned dots. Al-Waleed came much later.
wikipedia: Uthman_Quran
I think you need to do more research.
theottoman786 2 months ago
@theottoman786 Furthermore, by consensus of >1400 years of Islamic scholarship, a written copy of the Quran was never the standard for its presentation. Preservation was always passed down through rigorously established chains of transmission through memorization through multiple chains of recitation.
theottoman786 2 months ago
@theottoman786 "was never the standard for its presentation"
Meant *preservation* - not presentation.
theottoman786 2 months ago
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Allah سبحانه و تعالى says; إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
(What would mean, Translation),
Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Reminder) and verily, We will guard it. (Qur'an Surah al-Hijr Ayah 9)
My advice; Beware of anything with music.
Very deceptive methodology.
And May Allah سبحانه و تعالى guide you to Islam.
Asqalane1405 2 months ago 11
@Asqalane1405 How does it feel to know that the Quran is not the Word of God and is a bad plagiarism of the Holy Bible !?
Amrruk 1 month ago
O Amrruk
Allah سبحانه و تعالى says,
وَمَا كُنتَ تَتْلُو مِن قَبْلِهِ مِن كِتَابٍ وَلَا تَخُطُّهُ بِيَمِينِكَ ۖ إِذًا لَّارْتَابَ الْمُبْطِلُونَ
Neither did you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) read any book before it (this Qur'an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted.
(Qur'an Surah al-Ankabut Ayah 48)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@Asqalane1405 Surat Al Anqaboot 29:27: "And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous."
The Messianic and Prophetic line came through the seed of Abraham with his wife Sarah, Itshaac and through Yaaqob not through Ishmael the son of an Egyptian slave.
Wake up ! The Quran is full of lies, contradictions and corrupted !
Amrruk 1 month ago
And the thing about the grapes. ok cool story. theres a chance that the dots are in the wrong place. and it means grapes. Oh wow look grapes are everywhere in manmade christianity. CONNECTION???
see how silly that sounds even IF it was true?
hyperion5000 2 months ago
@hyperion5000 It sounds silly to me whatever the reward is. Point is, the Koran is not and never was stable and early writings prove that.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain you wrong, if you don't study arab language history, how is develloped you will understand it, but i can read the old writing.
ahmrou82 2 months ago
@ahmrou82 Did you read the text from the Oman Mosque? There are many scholars who tell me otherwise. The Koran has only been stable since the Cairo text was established. Salman Rushdie certainly hit a nerve didn't he...
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
@NoFaithNoPain
The problem is that you absolutely dont know that the Quran was memorized by heart at that society which was an ORAL society.
They dont need the text, the BOOK!
Logia1978 1 month ago
@Logia1978 I absolutely know that there were many versions of the Koran/Quran and memory by heart without a guiding text is notoriously innacurate. This is why us Kuffar laugh at silly muslims who think the Koran is stable and accurate.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
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ingehs 1 month ago
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@NoFaithNoPain No you certainly don't need text to learn by heart. certainly not, certainly not. A toddler learns his first words by text? Did you learn your language by text? Your argument is destroyed in seconds.
Don't tell me you are a joker
ingehs 1 month ago
@ingehs You can certainly learn something accurately orally. You can't keep complex stories stabe over large numbers of people and over generations without text to refer back to. There is EVIDENCE of a changing Quran, I don't need to argue. My argument is not destroyed in seconds I am afraid. Your Quran is still wrong, and frankly a bit silly. I suggest you go to the web page of the council of Ex Muslims to guide you in your wobbling faith.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain There is no point arguing with you when you have drawn your conclusions without conducting research. This kind of research is not acceptable. You can carry on large amounts of stories to next generations without a text if and only if the stories are in Quranic Arabic. Your argument is true for all other languages except Aramaic languages. There is a reason Arabs used to call Non-Arabic people ''mute''.
ingehs 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain I laugh at the council of ex-muslims who feel they need to tell the world they had renounced their faith. I never see other people leaving their religions and rejoicing on it on a website and telling the world. Funny. They themselves are wobbling in their faith.
Secondly Quran is not mine, i am not copyright holder of Quran. Correct yourself.
ingehs 1 month ago
@ingehs I am afraid I have conducted a lot of research. You have only seen what the crazy Islamic scholars tell you. The Council of Ex Muslims have to form a council to help others because the penalty for apostacy is death!
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain You have conducted research? Good for you, but to engage in an argument you can't just say ''I have done lot of research''. You need to show your research. The penalty for apostasy is not death. Where it is? Prove it if have done lot of research.
ingehs 1 month ago
@ingehs If you do not know the penalty is death it is you who has to prove it to me you have done research
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain I renounced what you said first that penalty of apostasy is death so the burden is on you to prove the penalty is death. Wait a second, penalty is secondary, apostasy is not even a crime.
ingehs 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain The one thing I know about Muslims is their utter dishonesty when interpreting the Koran and the Hadiths. The Hadiths are fine to tell you that you must prey five times a day or as the basis for Sharia but when you want to deny the unpleasant nonsense in your faith you say the Hadiths are untrustworthy. There is no Muslim Pope so you can interpret your faith any way you want. If you go to a Muslim country they will soon show you the error of your ways.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Try to understand he difference. Praying 5 times a day is derived from hadith not Quran, correct but there is no denial of praying 5 times in Quran hence no clash between hadith and Quran.
In the case of apostasy, Hadiths sanction apostasy but Quran says otherwise, so there is big clash.
We know hadiths explain Quran, not contradict Quran. So if any hadith contradicts Quran, we reject it. Hadith is only recorded form of man's words, recorded by erroneous men.
ingehs 1 month ago
@ingehs I understand the difference perfectly. The Koran says many contradictory things, so what it has to say about Apostacy is irrelevant, especially since you can interpret the Koran how you like. Muslim countries under Sharia disagree with you on the pealty for apostacy so who is right? Islam is, as Muslims do, not what they variously claim what the Koran says.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain I can see, don't think that if you can interpret Quran bad (which you are good at) Muslims will do tha same. It aint going to happen, never ever.
Quran says nothing about apostasy. FULL STOP, you want to believe in the Quran or narrations of hadith by an erroneous human? Which text is more sacred Quran or Bukhari?
Secondly, don't tell me muslim countries do this and that. Muslim countries economy is based on charging interest which against Quran, so that means...
ingehs 1 month ago
@ingehs First you say Apostacy is opposed in the Quran, then you say the Quran says nothing about it. First logical failure. In fact since you say YOURSELF that the Hadiths are believed unless the Quran opposes it, if the Quran says nothing about Apostacy then by YOUR OWN LOGIC Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 and Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57 are to be believed and the penalty is death. You are completely pwned.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain So for you comments made by a person whose first language is not english and whose description of one subject differ because his vocabulary is limited is an acceptable reason for you to believe he is losing the argument? Is English standard of truth these days?
Bukhari was ONE person compiling sayings of prophet on his own. Quran was compiled by hundreds of muslim in a major state funded project.
Difference is clear..
ingehs 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Moreover, no muslim can memorize Bukhari. Quran and only Quran is the exception, the unchanging word of God.
So yes, we can trust the memories of hundreds of muslims who memorized the Quran 1st hand.
ingehs 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain "There is no compulsion in religion" <---that is the Ayah upon which the belief that it is against Islam to force someone to become, or remain, a Muslim. If I were you this would be the point at which I would say something childish like, "you are completely pwned". Please grow up and learn to debate with people without trying to act superior. That is actually a very theistic personality trait. :P
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 What a hypocrytical reply. I responded with the same bad will he gave to me and although not my politest moment it stands as a fact that his logic was completely defeated. That Ayah does not stand regarding Apostasy since it only applies to initial choice of religion. The Koran DOES advocate compulsion anyway and is totally contradictory. People right now are being killed by Muslims for being apostates and yet you are denying it. That is like being a holocaust denier.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain First of all, my apologies as I did not read the post in which he was being rude to you.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain "That Ayah does not stand regarding Apostasy since it only applies to initial choice of religion." <---According to whom?
boffan1988 1 month ago
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@boffan1988 ""That Ayah does not stand regarding Apostasy since it only applies to initial choice of religion." <---According to whom?" According to anyone that wants to interpret it that way. That's the problem with Islam.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain "The Koran DOES advocate compulsion anyway and is totally contradictory." <---verses please?
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 ""The Koran DOES advocate compulsion anyway and is totally contradictory." <---verses please?" Sorry, not playing the scripture game, done that, been there, it would have us arguing all day. If you want to look yourself then look up the Jizya. If that is not just one example ofo tacit compulsion then I don't know what is.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain If you are going to make a claim, I have the right to refute it and it would be hypocritical of you to not at least read my rebuttal, no? So my response to this claim about the Jizya is coming next...
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 You can refute it as much as you want. I just said I wasn't playing the scriptures game, because scripture can be interpreted how you like.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain "because scripture can be interpreted how you like." <---Of course it can. So why do you cite one interpretation(an extremist one) over liberal interpretations? Oh, we know why...because citing extremist interpretations serves your ideological agenda. Once again, we are seeing behavior from atheists eerily similar to the behavior from fundamentalist theists that they claim to abhor.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 I quote the extreme ones because the enemies of peace, knowledge and reason use them. Since the Koran is a floored book and is obviously the work of man not God then it is important that people like me go out and tell the truth so people can hear both sides of the argument before converting to a religion based upon a fundamental falsehood.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Jizya is mentioned in one place in the Qur'an: This verse in 9-29 is claimed to be the verse that approved offensive Jihad and the collection of taxes by Muslim authorities against non Muslims. So what does the Quran say?(CONT'D)
boffan1988 1 month ago
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@NoFaithNoPain "People right now are being killed by Muslims for being apostates and yet you are denying it. That is like being a holocaust denier." <---You know, I find this quite insulting. You need to learn how to read, my man. Where did I ever deny this? I am one of the most vehement opponents of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc. you will find. I believe in democracy, secular government, freedom of religion etc.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Wahhabism/Salafism is a cancer upon the Islamic faith. Regardless of the fact that it is unfortunately mainstream in Islam today, it is still wrong. I am a Sufi and according to Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi scholars, I am an apostate. :) Chill out.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 On this I agree. I am all for a milder Islam since it will be impossible to stamp Islam out completely - we have to work with it rather than against it all the time.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Why would you want to "stamp out" anything, though? I don't want to stamp out atheism. The person I am closest to in this world, my uncle, is a militant atheist. Muhammad(peace be upon him)'s uncle, Abu Talib, never converted to Islam. Yet he was the Prophet's close confidant and protector.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 "Why would you want to "stamp out" anything, though? " Why would you not want to stamp out all forms of stupidity, ignorance and repression? Religion is all of those.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain I don't go around calling atheism any of that. Atheists like you are no better than religious extremists.
boffan1988 1 month ago
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@boffan1988 "I don't go around calling atheism any of that. Atheists like you are no better than religious extremists." Thats because Atheism merely means a lack of belief in a God or Gods. Therefore there is nothing to criticise. Look, you can't cherry pick your scriptures. If there is one bad one in the Koran (and there are many) then it is not the word of a God.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain The Islamic Golden age was nothing of the sort. Just slightly better than what the Christians were up to at the time. How quickly we resort to that primitive time as an example of how great Islam is. If you want to interpret the Koran to suggest the Earth is NOT flat then you are welcome. You would be wrong though and you just start to look silly trying.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain You're such a hypocrite! You're as sanctimonious and full of shit as religious fundamentalists are. All you do is empower them.
boffan1988 1 month ago
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@boffan1988 "You're such a hypocrite! You're as sanctimonious and full of shit as religious fundamentalists are. All you do is empower them." Love it. Here is you lecturing me about reasonable language in a debate. It didn't take you long to descend to this did it? Your faith is wrong, your methods of argument dishonest and despite the fact you are a clever boy with a sharp mind, your best efforts just don't work so you get frustrated.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@boffan1988 "Muhammad(peace be upon him)'s uncle, Abu Talib, never converted to Islam. Yet he was the Prophet's close confidant and protector." Well, these kinds of double standards from the Charlatain Muhammed are not unknown. I do hope you are not using the "Hadith" as a reference here, because we all know how terribly untrustworthy those are (whenever it suits you).
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain The Hadith are very questionable. Some Muslims don't believe in them at all. Myself, I only accept a Hadith when it is in full agreement with the Qur'an and expands upon a topic already mentioned in the Qur'an. A great example is prayer. The Qur'an commands Muslims to pray daily but does not instruct as to how. The details of how to pray are in the Hadith. (CONT'd)
boffan1988 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain It's not cherry picking. There has been conflicting jurisprudence on how to interpret and accept Hadith as authentic for centuries. Religion is very personal and it's only natural that there are a myriad of interpretations; that is a good thing, in my opinion. During the Islamic Golden Age there were over 9,000 madhabs(schools of interpretation). (CONT'd)
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 Of course its not Cherry picking. If you don't like the Hadith, then say it conflicts with the Koran which is interpreted how you like. If you do like the Hadith its genuine, then reinterpret the conflicting verse so it does not contradict. Perfect! If a Quranic verse looks dodgy then its out of context. If a verse is more moderate than you want then it is abrogated. Not cherry picked at all.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain The problem with Islam over the last few centuries is that it became closed to the wide variety of interpretation you had in the early days. Christianity went through a similar period that we in the West now refer to as the dark ages. On the one hand, you talk about wanting a more moderate Islam then you turn around and try to undercut liberals like myself by saying that our liberal interpretation is intellectually dishonest.
boffan1988 1 month ago
@boffan1988 "On the one hand, you talk about wanting a more moderate Islam then you turn around and try to undercut liberals like myself by saying that our liberal interpretation is intellectually dishonest. " Actually you have a good point there. Unfortunately, I can not accept faulty reasoning or condone it even though it is much preferable to the Saudi Wahabi schools of viciousness that I have experienced first hand.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
@NoFaithNoPain Man, I am sorry you experienced whatever you did. I'm a Sufi, so they'd string me up, too. lol. You have to realize, though, it's RELIGION. IT's ALL personal interpretation of texts which are, frankly, very vague and open to interpretation. It's both the great strength and great weakness of organized religion. As long as human beings are mortal and face death, religion isn't going anywhere. I rediscovered my faith in dealing with my father's death. (CONT'd)
boffan1988 1 month ago
"IT's ALL personal interpretation of texts which are, frankly, very vague and open to interpretation."
This is why religion and science cannot intermingle.
"As long as human beings are mortal and face death, religion isn't going anywhere."
If 1 person can shed religious superstition, why can't a million, or a billion? We have a billion non-believers, people in Iceland and Norway who don't believe yet aren't afraid of death- they embrace the truth and live life.
Why can't you?
TurboDally 1 month ago
And the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said,
كُلٌّ مُيَسَّرٌ لِمَا خُلِقَ لَهُ
"Everybody will find easy to do such deeds as will lead him to his destined place for which he has been created."
وَقَالَ مُوسَىٰ إِنِّي عُذْتُ بِرَبِّي وَرَبِّكُم مِّن كُلِّ مُتَكَبِّرٍ لَّا يُؤْمِنُ بِيَوْمِ الْحِسَابِ
Musa (Moses) said: "Verily I seek refuge in my Lord and your Lord from every arrogant who believes not in the Day of Accountability!"
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
@TurboDally It's irrational to me NOT to fear death. Don't you want to see your loved ones again, my brother? You're probably young and have not lost someone you can't live without. I'm young, too but I have dealt with more death in my lifetime than 90% of people my age.
boffan1988 1 month ago