Search youtube for systema and look at some of the ground fight scenarios those guys use. They are hard to keep pinned on the ground because they wiggle like a worm out of most submissions and bad situations yet they pin people and trap them on the ground with strange joint locks that people do not see coming. I think all martial arts systems are technically equal but it never hurts to think outside of the box when it comes to laws of motion. Be like water ...
What I am getting at is that most martial arts systems train against predictable laws of motion or common scenarios but do not train against unpredictable movement or attacks from uncommon angles. You are what you study when you get into a fight so if you fight someone and have not studied the way they move then you perhaps will not be prepared for what they might do because they might know every possible way that you could move according to your style but they might move completely illogically
Here is a question for you guys... why don't we see systems like systema or dharma marga in UFC ? Those systems have great ground fighting and attack from angles that are difficult if not impossible to defend against, and they are not so well known. They have "strange" laws of motion involved that are not logical ways of moving and confuse most people when trying to defend against a system like that.This is just a hypothetical question. I actually love kung fu and study it but am also openminded
@kommisar If a person truly understands the laws of motion and truly understands how to move then it does not matter which system they study and could do as Bruce Lee did and even make their own system and use what works best for their body type and their strengths and weaknesses. To say on style is inferior or not as good as another style is really a silly claim because they all have different strengths and weaknesses and different purposes and origins.
@kommisar This is why striking arts are better for "real life" situations and grappling arts are better once you have stunned an opponent or if you cannot use deadly force. Kung fu can take your entire life to master and it should because it teaches mastery over your movements and develops your core body muscles in order to make you less clumsy and able to fight without consciously thinking about the techniques or moves but instead by principles of motion and concepts.
@kommisar Outside of the ring I had much rather KO someone quickly with a striking or kicking technique rather than fall to the ground with them only for their buddies to walk up and start stomping me and have time to pull out weapons at which point you are royally screwed because then you are on the ground at their mercy with nowhere to go and don't even think about taking someone down who has a shotgun in that situation because you will get shot or something.
@kommisar ground fighting is a supplementary technique for situations involving usually one opponent / attacker. Outside of the ring a fighter should aspire to not fight and if you have to fight then you should be a striker first and a grappler second. In the ring it is the other way around because those are one on one matches and nobody is going to come up and stab you or shoot you in the ring ... at least not in the USA.
@kommisar I am not trying to brag or anything but just making my point that kung fu is NOT a bogus family of martial arts systems in any way shape or form and have a different purpose than something like Brazilian Jiujutsu. BJJ is for taking someone down and making them tap out. What do you do in real life however when their friend walks up with a gun or kicks you in the temple or eye socket while you have their friend on the ground. It becomes kind of useless in those situations.
@kommisar People may think that Kung fu are nothing but "bogus" martial arts techniques but the test for an Eagle Claw stylist is to be able to puncture a tennis ball with 3 fingers and actually pierce the rubber and pretty much squeeze the ball in half ( I know because I can do this.) How many people here think that human flesh is tougher than rubber used in tennis balls ? I think that rubber is much more difficult to puncture and if you can do that then you can surely puncture human flesh
@kommisar an MMA fighter trains to win in the ring via points or one on one fights where there are rules. Kung fu was the original MMA from 1000's of years ago and was not designed for 1 on 1 in a cage with rules. It was designed for self defense from deadly and often much larger, stronger atackers. It is like comparing apples and oranges because you cannot legally eye gouge or break knees or strike someone's brainstem in UFC, nor can you tear off genitals or rip out their windpipe.
@kommisar On the flip side of this argument many schools in the old days would challenge other schools to take their students and would make them sign fight waivers. That kind of goes against traditional ethics taught in Chinese martial arts but there really are two sides to that argument. Both sides of the argument make sense and are applicable. My point is that modern MMA is a sport and kung fu is a way of life as someone else mentioned. Kung fu actually means "life's work."
@kommisar It is not proper ideology of anyone studying kung fu to instigate fights because many of those systems have a Buddhist or maybe Daoist approach, both of which of more on the side of being peaceful belief systems and are about harmony with your surroundings. Pinching someone does not work in real life if you get attacked 9 times out of 10 unless you are talking about "chi na" and grabbing a nerve bundle in order to interrupt electrical signals to the brain then that sometimes works
@kommisar. Try not to let one person tell you about one thing or the other. i read a few of the comments. I liked the list of requirements..spot on. The thing with ''kung fu'' is its a way of life. people will try to defend there way of life...its what they believe in. I ''do'' kung fu and I see why you say what you say. its not for everyone. but it is for some people. try not to be so aggro. life will be better... perhaps, i don't know.
Funny how the pro-MMA systematically compare the effectiveness of KF with the free fight technics without being able to understand that some people just want to practice only for the sake of MA and not to prove his manhood ... Also funny that these same people do not understand that the technique is not the practitioner.
To Kommissar: find a girfriend (or boyfriend), get laid. You really need to chill.
@kabonwar It would have been far more manly if you were to address me directly in the comments system, but alas KF diehards enjoy taking the cowardly route. If these people are doing KF just to get out of the house, then they should not claim it is some "effective", "lethal" "street/self-defense" system.
No need to worry about my sex life; you should worry about your checkbook being used to pay for bogus "fighting" lessons.
@JAMMcomposers So you can somehow make someone writhe in pain by pinching them, but yet they cannot fuck you up by breaking a limb or choking you. It would seem the submission artist would have a lot more control over you than you over them. Do you really think a pinch will negate years of training and hard sparring? Please explain how you're going to pinch them while they're attacking your limbs or neck. You also basically admitted you couldn't "rip their flesh" off the bones
@JAMMcomposers Please again explain how you avoid fighting because you "know" you can "kill" the guy, yet instruct students to start street fights to test themselves. You KF assholes are sure quick to avoid explaining your various contradictory statements....
@kommisar Um, yeah from where are you getting that sort of information from? Whoever encourages their students to just start street fights is the kind of asshole you see in movies that the protagonist has to beat down.
@JAMMcomposers Figures you train WC. This explains your deluded-ness and credulity. Yes, there is plenty of bullshit in WC, including the dancing, patty cake and LARPing. Every time I watch "full-contact WC", it looks exactly like extremely shitty kickboxing or extremely shitty MMA. There is none of the mystical KF "street moves" blowhards like you refer to. Better yet, you never see any chunners use any decent technique in a sparring bout or fight.
"Here in Kent, we influence students learning Kung Fu, to get into street fights to test skills!"
Mmm, very, VERY interesting when before you just said:
"The reason why you don't see people use Kung Fu in the streets, is firstly: you try to avoid any type of confrontation..."
That's perhaps my favorite thing about the bunk fu fanboy: contradictory statements. This is a very consistent trait actually, about as consistent as you pussies' utter inability to fight. Fuck yourself.
"because you know you can absolutely batter the shit out of them!"
That's simply your delusions of grandeur talking. If your claims of combat superiority matched reality, you clowns would have actually won some fights. However, seems every time you are put up against someone who knows how to use his hands or tie you in a pretzel, you lose, then come up with the excuse that it wasn't a "street fight". Just excuse making; no logic to be found anywhere. Get in touch with reality
@JAMMcomposers The reason you don't see KF "in the streets" is because as soon as the KF LARPer is confronted with the reality of an actual fight, he throws the bullshit he wasted so many years learning in the mcdojo out the window. KF trains you to rely on rehearsed, staged routines. Real fights are random, so when the KF LARPer realizes the other guy isn't going to just knock himself out or give up, he shits himself and resorts to the same shitty fighting you see in bar brawls
@JAMMcomposers Actually, there are plenty of street fights to be seen, and I've seen them myself, and if you have a brain, you will see how quickly people tire themselves out, and how sloppy they fight compared to a trained athlete.
Again, moron, the fights last 10 minutes because it is a fight between two SKILLED ATHLETES versus two bums who are swinging for the fences. If I can last 10 minutes and you can't, how is it you have an advantage? Your logic is comical, as are you.
@JAMMcomposers It's no wonder you assholes lose so quickly when placed in full-contact fighting: you figure you'll just "win" in a matter of "less than 5 seconds", so as soon as the other fighter doesn't fall for your bullshit KF moves, you flail around in futility.
Furthermore, MA are not "designed to kill" -- at least not KF, and I certainly don't see you KF LARPers grabbing each others' crotches, so you're lying when you say you use "everything at your disposal". Grow up.
@kommisar your obviously wrong. if small joint manipulation, eye gouges, and throat strikes/striking to the back of the head were allowed in MMA not only would fights end much sooner deaths and very serious injuries would result and it would be shut down. they use these techniques in the US army to debilitate and kill.. not in sports. you might want to research Chinas martial history if you don't think martial arts were used to kill. anyways, why u mad bro? *crybaby face*
@SurvivalGrounds And yet most street fights and hand-to-hand conflicts do NOT result in death and serious injury. More importantly, you do not see this in any KF fighting. Your use of "illegal moves" is no greater than MMA's use of them in a street fight. The fact that you try to peddle your bullshido by using this as a selling point is utterly pathetic. Until I see KF dorks actually using the shit you do on one another, you're full of shit.
@kommisar u clearly mad bro and also pretty ignorant as well :) /watch?v=rAqlBjv_0vk I've been trying not argue with retards on the internet anymore so let's just leave it at that.
@SurvivalGrounds OK. And your point was? Nice, you showed me a video of a guy KO'ing another guy who was standing there with his hands down and allowing himself to be hit. Why don't you apply the same logic to boxing by having the same two guys in the same situation but this time he KO's the other with a hook? You KF guys are unbelievably stupid.
@JAMMcomposers The reason "sport" fights last longer is because both competitors tend to neutralize each others' skill level due to the fact that they're usually of similar experience and size. Street fights are different in that idiot "street fighters" put all their effort into one punch and gas out quickly. If a "sport" fighter is able to last 10 minutes in a "sport" fight, obviously he would be able to last a few seconds in a "street" fight, you moron.
My recommendation to young people is that, you should learn one art and mastered it, then go out and learn another art or two...Use what is good and working for you and do not use what is not working for you. It is the person who doing the art, not the style. If you mastered the art, you are the champion already. There is no need for competition to prove who is better. I learned/read/watched many different arts (Fencing, Tkd, Aikido, boxing, Jujitsu, Hapkido, kungfu) and make my own style.
@DHL428 That's what I have tried to say. And you are absolutely right my friend. We are all connected. And as with the martial arts. Almost every technique is universal. It comes down to the mindset and focus of the techniques what separates the arts. But in the end, they are universal.
We are all connected and should consider everyone as our brother/sister/mother/father. If everyone thinks like this we will have world peace...But unfortunately, human beings on this earth are very negative about everything, that's why we have wars. Words are very powerful...If you used it positively, it will improve relationships between people and nations, but if you used it negatively, it will be damage the relationships between people and nations. Please choose your words wisely. Peace!
Jiu-jitsu is known as more than just a system of fighting. Since its inception in 1882, its parent art of judo was separated from older systems of Japanese jujutsu by an important difference that was passed on to BJJ: it is not solely a martial art: it is also a sport; a method for promoting physical fitness and building character in young people; and, ultimately, a way (Do) of life. "building character...", but young MMAs nowadays have no characters and respect.
@DHL428 The only one with "no [sic] characters or respect" seem to be narcissistic KF LARPers who try to take credit for things they or their "art" never in any way contributed to.
@kommisar Shows how much you know Kommy. KF is not an art. But a collection of arts. And really KF is not used to describe Martial Arts at all. That is a westernized mistake. The Chinese actually use Wuyi or Wushu meaning Martial arts. The individual styles that make up the arts have their own names. I gave you a list remember? And BJJ came from Judo, which came from Jujitsu, which was created in the 1600's from Chin Na and Shaojiao.
@KungFuKid1015 Your silly fetish and platitudes about semantics does nothing to help your argument. Buying your bogus tangent, this is only ONE form of bullshit amongst a larger collection of bullshit. Buying your other bogus tangent, that simply means the Japs were smarter than the Chinese in that they took something that sucked and made it into something that works. How does that change the fact that all the best grapplers DON'T use any KF "grappling" "arts"?
@kommisar Fuckface! I explained to you that most techniques are universal. It is a matter of how you apply them. You see people who have actually taken martial arts and understood history and fundamental logic, know this to be fact. It is clear and obvious that you know nothing. You sit on your couch, watch UFC, and think that makes you someone special and tough. You're not!
@KungFuKid1015 I don't see many "universal" KF moves, such as the prancing fairy or the limp wrist bitch slap.
"You sit on your couch, watch UFC, and think that makes you someone special and tough."
Sounds rather similar to the KF LARPer who sits on his computer chair and claims he knows how to beat professional fighters by grabbing their crotches.
@kommisar Limp wrist bitch slap? I'd like to see what you are talking about. Sounds like you have experience. And I never said I could beat professional fighters by grabbing their crotch. I said that in a fight, a real fight, where my life might be in danger, I would use anything at my disposal to finish it quickly and end the confrontation. Street fights are different from cage fights Kommy. Not everyone walks away. You need a reality check.
@KungFuKid1015 Your implication is clearly that you would have a fighting chance because you can grab someone's crotch. You wouldn't. You would be beaten just as easily in a "street fight" as you would a ring fight. Why? Because you can't grapple to save your life, loser. It's ironic that you call BJJ "gay butt sex" and yet have a penchant for ballet and grabbing people's crotches. KF hypocrisy at work again.
The it great that we have youtube to learn new things and open up our minds, but unfortunately people are so narrow minded and mastered as criticizing other arts. One should know the root his/her arts and should respect other arts. The objective of studying martial arts is to improve yourself, not to go out and pick fight and brag who is better. With Internet, one can find out the history of any art easily. Most arts are from China or Japan. Practice makes perfect and have respect for all.
was it just me or did this seem a little gay and the guy is kinda a dick to the person he is showing the moves on...yeah i could see this guy as a Penn. state coach he totally grabs the guys dick at 9:04! maybe shaolin monks got a little lonley... hhhmmm i think your just better off to learn bjj
@TheCrazyberserker Um, first off. BJJ traces it's roots to Shaolin Chin Na and grappling systems. Secondly, he grabbed the guy's pants from what it looked like. And this is for Combat, not the birdcage. In a real street fight, if you grab someone's groin it could cause serious pain and even internal damage to certain organs of that area. So know what you are talking about before you post stupid comments.
@KungFuKid1015 hahahah ok so obviously you hate BJJ and MMA and you are in love with traditional Kung Fu, all im saying is i think BJJ took it's roots from Shaolin grappling and made it less gay by leaving out all the penis grabbing stuff... and don't you think would have mad more sense to grab the guys balls and squeeze them, because that would be faster and hurt more... so im sticking with my original comment and saying this video is FUCKING GAY !!!!!!!!!!
@TheCrazyberserker I don't hate BJJ, but I understand where it comes from and what it is. Unlike most people do. And yes if you grab someone's groin it does hurt, what do you think this guy is simulating by grabbing the pants? In a street fight, if I have to, I'm gonna grab whatever I can to let the guy go or to cause pain. I don't care! BJJ is designed for sport. It can be applied on the street, but only as a last resort to escape the ground.
@KungFuKid1015 Right, you are going to beat a guy with 3 years of BJJ training simply by grabbing his groin. No way the BJJ practitioner would be able to find a way to loosen your grip, or simply strike or choke you while you're busy futilely trying to squeeze his balls.... That's like the idiot claiming he'll beat a champion kickboxer by kicking him in the groin.
@farrar101 Yes the creator was a Judo guy. He was taught Judo! Which came from Japanese Jujitsu, which was developed in the 1600s from Shaolin Chin Na, from China! Even Rickson Gracie has stated this fact! So again. You know nothing! I have several videos that describe these arts. Check them out. Do some research.
@KungFuKid1015 kung fu is useless and the whole shaolin is bollocks none of this kung fu shit acculey works bjj as its own system far suppses it predasessors such as this shaolin grapplin u tit lol
@farrar101 BJJ is ground fighting. How does that surpass any other style before or since? What makes it so special? Cause it's seen in the UFC? Grow up! It's useless and unpractical in a street fight. A good fighter, a real fighter, will avoid going to the ground.
It was a Shaolin monk that migrated to Japan that created Jiu Jitsu in the 16th century. he was summoned by a Japanese emperor to prepare his soldiers to go to war against another clan. but the monk only had so much time to achieve this feat so he devised a system by using Chin Na & Mongolian wrestling which is the true origins of Jiu Jitsu.
1. There are no records of any Shaolin monk in Japan at that period, The 16th century was during Japanese failed invasion of the mainland.
2.Its funny you said the Japanese emperor summoned such and such for any battle at that time period, as in most of Japans history the Shogun called the shots, while the emperors were just religious figure heads.
3. Again where s this mysterious China man you say devised jujutsu from chin-na and Boke???
@VietzRus Even if it didn't happened that way it stills doesn't take the fact that jiu jitsu is a spin off of Chinese Chin Na. & Chin Na is a spin off of Ancient Nubian wrestling.... everything in nature has a beginning!
@azumanation Funny how you did not refute any of my comments, which means deep down inside you agree with me. You cant even provide a source for any of your knowledge, Also when did I ever indicate that I didnt believe Jujutsu was derived from Chin-na and shuai Jiao? Because I do Believe that. But Chin-na being a spin off of ancient nubian wrestling? LMAO another Afrocentic myth not accepted by any academics. Every culture on earth had there own martial arts, for war is human nature.
Respond to this video... Get up off of your LAZY ass & do some real research than get back to me because you did not prove that I am wrong! even the other person that posted a comment to you about what I stated is fact. & has nothing to do with Afrocentric academia. ARE YOU RETARDED OR WHAT???
@azumanation Why are you so upset? Did I strike a nerve? I do enough research to know Nubian wrestling has nothing to do with eastern martial arts. And please stop typing like your screaming online, it makes you look retarded. lol
@Wayoftheself You cant research whats not mentioned or documented. Provide a source for your knowledge and i'll check it out. Otherwise its just another BS story with no evidence
@Wayoftheself I'm not close minded, i'm just helping correct peoples mistakes. =] If I was Lazy I wouldnt be so upset by you peoples lack of knowledge and the rampart misinformation of martial arts history with legend and myth that has nothing to do with reality.. Lets start by giving you real facts other then the standard wikipedia copy paste hstory most believe when hearing about kung fus origins.
1. All kung fu did not start in the shaolin temple, thats a common misconception. Shaolin started in 477 A.D while martial arts were already first recorded in the Spring and autumns annals in the 5th century BC in China. also monks Huiguang and Sengchou who were ex military solders taught staff and weapons sets in Shaolin before Bodidhrama arrived . lol
@. Founder of Hung Gar? That would be Hung hei goon, who was far from black as you can get, a supposed distant descendant of the ming dynastys Zhu family and China being absent of any african type people I find it strange noone would of wrote or brought up the fact that he was black of any kind. Unless you mean Hei goons teacher Gee Sim see who as chinese as any chinese....again please show where you find your information otherwise you prove your bullshitting again.
There are Gracie Jiu Jitsu DVDs called "Gracie Combatives" that allow you to become a legit blue belt if you learn and perfect the 36 white belt techniques and then film yourself and your partner doing the final test(its very easy by the way)
Check out "Gracie Combatives" here on youtube or checkout the "Gracie academy" website for more info and a few free online DVD lessons.
He starts out doing normal choking techniques. Sincer there are only so many ways to do a thing. It's as valid as Judo, Sambo, BJJ or wrestling. What differs on MA from the next is it's ideology and application. Every art has good and bad points. The true test is not the art, but the practicioner.
although i am a form of unconventional styles of grappling such as chinese, filipino and indonesian systems, im not sure how effective any of this is. To me it looks like isolated techniques seperated from a chain of movement in space. Like here give me your hand, lemme do a (loose) figure-4 on you....lemme pick you up slowly and throw you. Idk.
@silatguy if you would train it realistically with a fully resisting opponent and against other styles of grappling i think it would be sufficient for your average street encounter, but you're right the proof of the pudding is in the eating
Its just a demonstration video, if it were """"realistic"""" then it would be (obvs) a lot more scrappy and very hard to see what was going on. Wouldnt be a very good demo then. Plus if you're just doing a demo/training, you dont actually want to injure each other (much lol!).
That seems like an excuse though. There are UFC fights and BJJ tournaments all the time where the person is fully resisting and you can clearly see what is going on.
Sure, perhaps, but they do so at the risk of serious injury because they are in competition. The guy in the video isn't fighting, he's training [the video watcher] the techniques dont look a million miles away from other styles, can you see anything amiss other than he's not going all-out? (serious question, Im not "trolling") Sure though, I understand "the proof is in the eating" etc.
@silatguy 8.01 i dount any ufc fighter is flexible enough to bear this. it may be hard to use a technique but thats why you train it to become second nature.
@smokinthepot UFC fighters are actually most likely the most flexible "fighters" of any category of fighters that deal with a sport environment, they train flexibility, speed, endurance, strength, cardio......
Search youtube for systema and look at some of the ground fight scenarios those guys use. They are hard to keep pinned on the ground because they wiggle like a worm out of most submissions and bad situations yet they pin people and trap them on the ground with strange joint locks that people do not see coming. I think all martial arts systems are technically equal but it never hurts to think outside of the box when it comes to laws of motion. Be like water ...
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@MartialArtistGuy1981 Do you know what the name of the fighting system on this vid is called?
ixachitlanabyayala 10 hours ago
What I am getting at is that most martial arts systems train against predictable laws of motion or common scenarios but do not train against unpredictable movement or attacks from uncommon angles. You are what you study when you get into a fight so if you fight someone and have not studied the way they move then you perhaps will not be prepared for what they might do because they might know every possible way that you could move according to your style but they might move completely illogically
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
Here is a question for you guys... why don't we see systems like systema or dharma marga in UFC ? Those systems have great ground fighting and attack from angles that are difficult if not impossible to defend against, and they are not so well known. They have "strange" laws of motion involved that are not logical ways of moving and confuse most people when trying to defend against a system like that.This is just a hypothetical question. I actually love kung fu and study it but am also openminded
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar If a person truly understands the laws of motion and truly understands how to move then it does not matter which system they study and could do as Bruce Lee did and even make their own system and use what works best for their body type and their strengths and weaknesses. To say on style is inferior or not as good as another style is really a silly claim because they all have different strengths and weaknesses and different purposes and origins.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar This is why striking arts are better for "real life" situations and grappling arts are better once you have stunned an opponent or if you cannot use deadly force. Kung fu can take your entire life to master and it should because it teaches mastery over your movements and develops your core body muscles in order to make you less clumsy and able to fight without consciously thinking about the techniques or moves but instead by principles of motion and concepts.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar Outside of the ring I had much rather KO someone quickly with a striking or kicking technique rather than fall to the ground with them only for their buddies to walk up and start stomping me and have time to pull out weapons at which point you are royally screwed because then you are on the ground at their mercy with nowhere to go and don't even think about taking someone down who has a shotgun in that situation because you will get shot or something.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar ground fighting is a supplementary technique for situations involving usually one opponent / attacker. Outside of the ring a fighter should aspire to not fight and if you have to fight then you should be a striker first and a grappler second. In the ring it is the other way around because those are one on one matches and nobody is going to come up and stab you or shoot you in the ring ... at least not in the USA.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar I am not trying to brag or anything but just making my point that kung fu is NOT a bogus family of martial arts systems in any way shape or form and have a different purpose than something like Brazilian Jiujutsu. BJJ is for taking someone down and making them tap out. What do you do in real life however when their friend walks up with a gun or kicks you in the temple or eye socket while you have their friend on the ground. It becomes kind of useless in those situations.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar People may think that Kung fu are nothing but "bogus" martial arts techniques but the test for an Eagle Claw stylist is to be able to puncture a tennis ball with 3 fingers and actually pierce the rubber and pretty much squeeze the ball in half ( I know because I can do this.) How many people here think that human flesh is tougher than rubber used in tennis balls ? I think that rubber is much more difficult to puncture and if you can do that then you can surely puncture human flesh
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar an MMA fighter trains to win in the ring via points or one on one fights where there are rules. Kung fu was the original MMA from 1000's of years ago and was not designed for 1 on 1 in a cage with rules. It was designed for self defense from deadly and often much larger, stronger atackers. It is like comparing apples and oranges because you cannot legally eye gouge or break knees or strike someone's brainstem in UFC, nor can you tear off genitals or rip out their windpipe.
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar On the flip side of this argument many schools in the old days would challenge other schools to take their students and would make them sign fight waivers. That kind of goes against traditional ethics taught in Chinese martial arts but there really are two sides to that argument. Both sides of the argument make sense and are applicable. My point is that modern MMA is a sport and kung fu is a way of life as someone else mentioned. Kung fu actually means "life's work."
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar It is not proper ideology of anyone studying kung fu to instigate fights because many of those systems have a Buddhist or maybe Daoist approach, both of which of more on the side of being peaceful belief systems and are about harmony with your surroundings. Pinching someone does not work in real life if you get attacked 9 times out of 10 unless you are talking about "chi na" and grabbing a nerve bundle in order to interrupt electrical signals to the brain then that sometimes works
MartialArtistGuy1981 2 days ago
@kommisar. Try not to let one person tell you about one thing or the other. i read a few of the comments. I liked the list of requirements..spot on. The thing with ''kung fu'' is its a way of life. people will try to defend there way of life...its what they believe in. I ''do'' kung fu and I see why you say what you say. its not for everyone. but it is for some people. try not to be so aggro. life will be better... perhaps, i don't know.
13sunday 1 week ago
Funny how the pro-MMA systematically compare the effectiveness of KF with the free fight technics without being able to understand that some people just want to practice only for the sake of MA and not to prove his manhood ... Also funny that these same people do not understand that the technique is not the practitioner.
To Kommissar: find a girfriend (or boyfriend), get laid. You really need to chill.
kabonwar 3 weeks ago
@kabonwar It would have been far more manly if you were to address me directly in the comments system, but alas KF diehards enjoy taking the cowardly route. If these people are doing KF just to get out of the house, then they should not claim it is some "effective", "lethal" "street/self-defense" system.
No need to worry about my sex life; you should worry about your checkbook being used to pay for bogus "fighting" lessons.
kommisar 1 week ago
@JAMMcomposers So you can somehow make someone writhe in pain by pinching them, but yet they cannot fuck you up by breaking a limb or choking you. It would seem the submission artist would have a lot more control over you than you over them. Do you really think a pinch will negate years of training and hard sparring? Please explain how you're going to pinch them while they're attacking your limbs or neck. You also basically admitted you couldn't "rip their flesh" off the bones
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers Please again explain how you avoid fighting because you "know" you can "kill" the guy, yet instruct students to start street fights to test themselves. You KF assholes are sure quick to avoid explaining your various contradictory statements....
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar Um, yeah from where are you getting that sort of information from? Whoever encourages their students to just start street fights is the kind of asshole you see in movies that the protagonist has to beat down.
langying 1 week ago
@langying I am only listening to one of the KF diehards on here. You should take up your disagreements with him....
kommisar 1 week ago
@JAMMcomposers Requirements to practice KF:
-clueless-ness
-credulity
-ignorance
-deluded-ness
-a penchant for fantasy and self-contradiction
-a detachment from reality
-the ability to lie through your teeth constantly, both to others and to yourself
-a reluctance to fight full-contact
-lots of money to throw away
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers Figures you train WC. This explains your deluded-ness and credulity. Yes, there is plenty of bullshit in WC, including the dancing, patty cake and LARPing. Every time I watch "full-contact WC", it looks exactly like extremely shitty kickboxing or extremely shitty MMA. There is none of the mystical KF "street moves" blowhards like you refer to. Better yet, you never see any chunners use any decent technique in a sparring bout or fight.
kommisar 1 month ago
"Here in Kent, we influence students learning Kung Fu, to get into street fights to test skills!"
Mmm, very, VERY interesting when before you just said:
"The reason why you don't see people use Kung Fu in the streets, is firstly: you try to avoid any type of confrontation..."
That's perhaps my favorite thing about the bunk fu fanboy: contradictory statements. This is a very consistent trait actually, about as consistent as you pussies' utter inability to fight. Fuck yourself.
kommisar 1 month ago
"because you know you can absolutely batter the shit out of them!"
That's simply your delusions of grandeur talking. If your claims of combat superiority matched reality, you clowns would have actually won some fights. However, seems every time you are put up against someone who knows how to use his hands or tie you in a pretzel, you lose, then come up with the excuse that it wasn't a "street fight". Just excuse making; no logic to be found anywhere. Get in touch with reality
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers The reason you don't see KF "in the streets" is because as soon as the KF LARPer is confronted with the reality of an actual fight, he throws the bullshit he wasted so many years learning in the mcdojo out the window. KF trains you to rely on rehearsed, staged routines. Real fights are random, so when the KF LARPer realizes the other guy isn't going to just knock himself out or give up, he shits himself and resorts to the same shitty fighting you see in bar brawls
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers Actually, there are plenty of street fights to be seen, and I've seen them myself, and if you have a brain, you will see how quickly people tire themselves out, and how sloppy they fight compared to a trained athlete.
Again, moron, the fights last 10 minutes because it is a fight between two SKILLED ATHLETES versus two bums who are swinging for the fences. If I can last 10 minutes and you can't, how is it you have an advantage? Your logic is comical, as are you.
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers It's no wonder you assholes lose so quickly when placed in full-contact fighting: you figure you'll just "win" in a matter of "less than 5 seconds", so as soon as the other fighter doesn't fall for your bullshit KF moves, you flail around in futility.
Furthermore, MA are not "designed to kill" -- at least not KF, and I certainly don't see you KF LARPers grabbing each others' crotches, so you're lying when you say you use "everything at your disposal". Grow up.
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar your obviously wrong. if small joint manipulation, eye gouges, and throat strikes/striking to the back of the head were allowed in MMA not only would fights end much sooner deaths and very serious injuries would result and it would be shut down. they use these techniques in the US army to debilitate and kill.. not in sports. you might want to research Chinas martial history if you don't think martial arts were used to kill. anyways, why u mad bro? *crybaby face*
SurvivalGrounds 1 month ago
@SurvivalGrounds And yet most street fights and hand-to-hand conflicts do NOT result in death and serious injury. More importantly, you do not see this in any KF fighting. Your use of "illegal moves" is no greater than MMA's use of them in a street fight. The fact that you try to peddle your bullshido by using this as a selling point is utterly pathetic. Until I see KF dorks actually using the shit you do on one another, you're full of shit.
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar u clearly mad bro and also pretty ignorant as well :) /watch?v=rAqlBjv_0vk I've been trying not argue with retards on the internet anymore so let's just leave it at that.
SurvivalGrounds 1 month ago
@SurvivalGrounds OK. And your point was? Nice, you showed me a video of a guy KO'ing another guy who was standing there with his hands down and allowing himself to be hit. Why don't you apply the same logic to boxing by having the same two guys in the same situation but this time he KO's the other with a hook? You KF guys are unbelievably stupid.
kommisar 1 month ago
@JAMMcomposers The reason "sport" fights last longer is because both competitors tend to neutralize each others' skill level due to the fact that they're usually of similar experience and size. Street fights are different in that idiot "street fighters" put all their effort into one punch and gas out quickly. If a "sport" fighter is able to last 10 minutes in a "sport" fight, obviously he would be able to last a few seconds in a "street" fight, you moron.
kommisar 1 month ago
My recommendation to young people is that, you should learn one art and mastered it, then go out and learn another art or two...Use what is good and working for you and do not use what is not working for you. It is the person who doing the art, not the style. If you mastered the art, you are the champion already. There is no need for competition to prove who is better. I learned/read/watched many different arts (Fencing, Tkd, Aikido, boxing, Jujitsu, Hapkido, kungfu) and make my own style.
DHL428 1 month ago
@DHL428 That's what I have tried to say. And you are absolutely right my friend. We are all connected. And as with the martial arts. Almost every technique is universal. It comes down to the mindset and focus of the techniques what separates the arts. But in the end, they are universal.
KungFuKid1015 1 month ago
We are all connected and should consider everyone as our brother/sister/mother/father. If everyone thinks like this we will have world peace...But unfortunately, human beings on this earth are very negative about everything, that's why we have wars. Words are very powerful...If you used it positively, it will improve relationships between people and nations, but if you used it negatively, it will be damage the relationships between people and nations. Please choose your words wisely. Peace!
DHL428 1 month ago
Origin from Wikipedia
Jiu-jitsu is known as more than just a system of fighting. Since its inception in 1882, its parent art of judo was separated from older systems of Japanese jujutsu by an important difference that was passed on to BJJ: it is not solely a martial art: it is also a sport; a method for promoting physical fitness and building character in young people; and, ultimately, a way (Do) of life. "building character...", but young MMAs nowadays have no characters and respect.
DHL428 2 months ago
@DHL428 The only one with "no [sic] characters or respect" seem to be narcissistic KF LARPers who try to take credit for things they or their "art" never in any way contributed to.
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar Shows how much you know Kommy. KF is not an art. But a collection of arts. And really KF is not used to describe Martial Arts at all. That is a westernized mistake. The Chinese actually use Wuyi or Wushu meaning Martial arts. The individual styles that make up the arts have their own names. I gave you a list remember? And BJJ came from Judo, which came from Jujitsu, which was created in the 1600's from Chin Na and Shaojiao.
KungFuKid1015 1 month ago
@KungFuKid1015 Your silly fetish and platitudes about semantics does nothing to help your argument. Buying your bogus tangent, this is only ONE form of bullshit amongst a larger collection of bullshit. Buying your other bogus tangent, that simply means the Japs were smarter than the Chinese in that they took something that sucked and made it into something that works. How does that change the fact that all the best grapplers DON'T use any KF "grappling" "arts"?
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar Fuckface! I explained to you that most techniques are universal. It is a matter of how you apply them. You see people who have actually taken martial arts and understood history and fundamental logic, know this to be fact. It is clear and obvious that you know nothing. You sit on your couch, watch UFC, and think that makes you someone special and tough. You're not!
KungFuKid1015 1 month ago
@KungFuKid1015 I don't see many "universal" KF moves, such as the prancing fairy or the limp wrist bitch slap.
"You sit on your couch, watch UFC, and think that makes you someone special and tough."
Sounds rather similar to the KF LARPer who sits on his computer chair and claims he knows how to beat professional fighters by grabbing their crotches.
kommisar 1 month ago
@kommisar Limp wrist bitch slap? I'd like to see what you are talking about. Sounds like you have experience. And I never said I could beat professional fighters by grabbing their crotch. I said that in a fight, a real fight, where my life might be in danger, I would use anything at my disposal to finish it quickly and end the confrontation. Street fights are different from cage fights Kommy. Not everyone walks away. You need a reality check.
KungFuKid1015 1 month ago
@KungFuKid1015 Your implication is clearly that you would have a fighting chance because you can grab someone's crotch. You wouldn't. You would be beaten just as easily in a "street fight" as you would a ring fight. Why? Because you can't grapple to save your life, loser. It's ironic that you call BJJ "gay butt sex" and yet have a penchant for ballet and grabbing people's crotches. KF hypocrisy at work again.
kommisar 1 month ago
The it great that we have youtube to learn new things and open up our minds, but unfortunately people are so narrow minded and mastered as criticizing other arts. One should know the root his/her arts and should respect other arts. The objective of studying martial arts is to improve yourself, not to go out and pick fight and brag who is better. With Internet, one can find out the history of any art easily. Most arts are from China or Japan. Practice makes perfect and have respect for all.
DHL428 2 months ago
was it just me or did this seem a little gay and the guy is kinda a dick to the person he is showing the moves on...yeah i could see this guy as a Penn. state coach he totally grabs the guys dick at 9:04! maybe shaolin monks got a little lonley... hhhmmm i think your just better off to learn bjj
TheCrazyberserker 2 months ago
@TheCrazyberserker Um, first off. BJJ traces it's roots to Shaolin Chin Na and grappling systems. Secondly, he grabbed the guy's pants from what it looked like. And this is for Combat, not the birdcage. In a real street fight, if you grab someone's groin it could cause serious pain and even internal damage to certain organs of that area. So know what you are talking about before you post stupid comments.
KungFuKid1015 2 months ago
@KungFuKid1015 hahahah ok so obviously you hate BJJ and MMA and you are in love with traditional Kung Fu, all im saying is i think BJJ took it's roots from Shaolin grappling and made it less gay by leaving out all the penis grabbing stuff... and don't you think would have mad more sense to grab the guys balls and squeeze them, because that would be faster and hurt more... so im sticking with my original comment and saying this video is FUCKING GAY !!!!!!!!!!
TheCrazyberserker 1 month ago
@TheCrazyberserker I don't hate BJJ, but I understand where it comes from and what it is. Unlike most people do. And yes if you grab someone's groin it does hurt, what do you think this guy is simulating by grabbing the pants? In a street fight, if I have to, I'm gonna grab whatever I can to let the guy go or to cause pain. I don't care! BJJ is designed for sport. It can be applied on the street, but only as a last resort to escape the ground.
KungFuKid1015 1 month ago
@KungFuKid1015 Right, you are going to beat a guy with 3 years of BJJ training simply by grabbing his groin. No way the BJJ practitioner would be able to find a way to loosen your grip, or simply strike or choke you while you're busy futilely trying to squeeze his balls.... That's like the idiot claiming he'll beat a champion kickboxer by kicking him in the groin.
kommisar 1 month ago
shut up hes just doin bjj in a stupid way and callin it shaolin cuz hes dressed as fukin krilin the tit
farrar101 2 months ago
@farrar101 Where do you think BJJ came from in the first place? My God, you UFC butt lovers are so arrogant! You know nothing!
KungFuKid1015 2 months ago
@KungFuKid1015 not fukin china why do u think its called braziian jui jitsu an the creator was a judo guy lol
farrar101 2 months ago
@farrar101 Yes the creator was a Judo guy. He was taught Judo! Which came from Japanese Jujitsu, which was developed in the 1600s from Shaolin Chin Na, from China! Even Rickson Gracie has stated this fact! So again. You know nothing! I have several videos that describe these arts. Check them out. Do some research.
KungFuKid1015 2 months ago
@KungFuKid1015 kung fu is useless and the whole shaolin is bollocks none of this kung fu shit acculey works bjj as its own system far suppses it predasessors such as this shaolin grapplin u tit lol
farrar101 2 months ago
@farrar101 BJJ is ground fighting. How does that surpass any other style before or since? What makes it so special? Cause it's seen in the UFC? Grow up! It's useless and unpractical in a street fight. A good fighter, a real fighter, will avoid going to the ground.
KungFuKid1015 2 months ago
Matt Hughes would kill these chumps. That is all.
iPodVideo99 3 months ago
perfect that is what i call really an effective ground techniques
Azmorai 4 months ago
It was a Shaolin monk that migrated to Japan that created Jiu Jitsu in the 16th century. he was summoned by a Japanese emperor to prepare his soldiers to go to war against another clan. but the monk only had so much time to achieve this feat so he devised a system by using Chin Na & Mongolian wrestling which is the true origins of Jiu Jitsu.
azumanation 5 months ago
@azumanation LOL!!!!!!!!!!
1. There are no records of any Shaolin monk in Japan at that period, The 16th century was during Japanese failed invasion of the mainland.
2.Its funny you said the Japanese emperor summoned such and such for any battle at that time period, as in most of Japans history the Shogun called the shots, while the emperors were just religious figure heads.
3. Again where s this mysterious China man you say devised jujutsu from chin-na and Boke???
VietzRus 3 months ago
@VietzRus Even if it didn't happened that way it stills doesn't take the fact that jiu jitsu is a spin off of Chinese Chin Na. & Chin Na is a spin off of Ancient Nubian wrestling.... everything in nature has a beginning!
azumanation 3 months ago
@azumanation Funny how you did not refute any of my comments, which means deep down inside you agree with me. You cant even provide a source for any of your knowledge, Also when did I ever indicate that I didnt believe Jujutsu was derived from Chin-na and shuai Jiao? Because I do Believe that. But Chin-na being a spin off of ancient nubian wrestling? LMAO another Afrocentic myth not accepted by any academics. Every culture on earth had there own martial arts, for war is human nature.
VietzRus 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Get up off of your LAZY ass & do some real research than get back to me because you did not prove that I am wrong! even the other person that posted a comment to you about what I stated is fact. & has nothing to do with Afrocentric academia. ARE YOU RETARDED OR WHAT???
azumanation 3 months ago
@azumanation Why are you so upset? Did I strike a nerve? I do enough research to know Nubian wrestling has nothing to do with eastern martial arts. And please stop typing like your screaming online, it makes you look retarded. lol
VietzRus 3 months ago
@VietzRus ???
azumanation 3 months ago
@VietzRus Its actually true. Do the research man. Look into it heavly. If you seek then you shall find.
Wayoftheself 3 months ago
@Wayoftheself He's to stupid to do something simple as that!
azumanation 3 months ago
@Wayoftheself You cant research whats not mentioned or documented. Provide a source for your knowledge and i'll check it out. Otherwise its just another BS story with no evidence
VietzRus 3 months ago
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Wayoftheself 3 months ago
@Wayoftheself I'm not close minded, i'm just helping correct peoples mistakes. =] If I was Lazy I wouldnt be so upset by you peoples lack of knowledge and the rampart misinformation of martial arts history with legend and myth that has nothing to do with reality.. Lets start by giving you real facts other then the standard wikipedia copy paste hstory most believe when hearing about kung fus origins.
VietzRus 3 months ago
@Wayoftheself
1. All kung fu did not start in the shaolin temple, thats a common misconception. Shaolin started in 477 A.D while martial arts were already first recorded in the Spring and autumns annals in the 5th century BC in China. also monks Huiguang and Sengchou who were ex military solders taught staff and weapons sets in Shaolin before Bodidhrama arrived . lol
VietzRus 3 months ago
@Wayoftheself
@. Founder of Hung Gar? That would be Hung hei goon, who was far from black as you can get, a supposed distant descendant of the ming dynastys Zhu family and China being absent of any african type people I find it strange noone would of wrote or brought up the fact that he was black of any kind. Unless you mean Hei goons teacher Gee Sim see who as chinese as any chinese....again please show where you find your information otherwise you prove your bullshitting again.
VietzRus 3 months ago
where can i buy this dvd? because my trainer and i have thouth of building a ground game of our kung fu
penator 5 months ago
@penator
Then add Gracie Jiu Jitsu to your Kung Fu if you want the best ground game possible.
SkemeKOS 5 months ago
@SkemeKOS
sense i am a assistant trainer i don't have much time to train something else for the moment. but that thoughts have occured
penator 5 months ago
@penator
OK. Try it when you get the time though if you want a great ground game to go with your Kung Fu.
SkemeKOS 5 months ago
@penator
There are Gracie Jiu Jitsu DVDs called "Gracie Combatives" that allow you to become a legit blue belt if you learn and perfect the 36 white belt techniques and then film yourself and your partner doing the final test(its very easy by the way)
Check out "Gracie Combatives" here on youtube or checkout the "Gracie academy" website for more info and a few free online DVD lessons.
SkemeKOS 5 months ago
@SkemeKOS
then i might do that;)
penator 5 months ago
@penator
Yeah, definitely check it out.
You can eventually become a black belt through the online training too.
At the moment, there are only a white-blue belt DVD and a blue-purple belt online DVD - called "master cycle"
Its all on the gracie academy website.
SkemeKOS 5 months ago
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This looks amazing. What style is this?
ixachitlanabyayala 5 months ago
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ixachitlanabyayala 5 months ago
Fei yue best for grappling and qinna
papasha9 6 months ago
dead set, thats some awesome shit!
titochuck 10 months ago
That is most ridiculous Kimura-Setup imaginable., starting 4:10
TequilaFlavor 11 months ago
looks like an americana, not a kimura to me.
svninchwushu 11 months ago
@svninchwushu Yeah, you're right. Still as ridiculous^^
TequilaFlavor 11 months ago
He starts out doing normal choking techniques. Sincer there are only so many ways to do a thing. It's as valid as Judo, Sambo, BJJ or wrestling. What differs on MA from the next is it's ideology and application. Every art has good and bad points. The true test is not the art, but the practicioner.
ronin2167 1 year ago 2
Lol t serieux toi?
erez76 1 year ago
lol whitey
BGLart 1 year ago
although i am a form of unconventional styles of grappling such as chinese, filipino and indonesian systems, im not sure how effective any of this is. To me it looks like isolated techniques seperated from a chain of movement in space. Like here give me your hand, lemme do a (loose) figure-4 on you....lemme pick you up slowly and throw you. Idk.
silatguy 2 years ago
@silatguy if you would train it realistically with a fully resisting opponent and against other styles of grappling i think it would be sufficient for your average street encounter, but you're right the proof of the pudding is in the eating
redtortoise76 1 year ago
@silatguy & redtortoise 76
Its just a demonstration video, if it were """"realistic"""" then it would be (obvs) a lot more scrappy and very hard to see what was going on. Wouldnt be a very good demo then. Plus if you're just doing a demo/training, you dont actually want to injure each other (much lol!).
p1t1o 1 year ago
@p1t1o
That seems like an excuse though. There are UFC fights and BJJ tournaments all the time where the person is fully resisting and you can clearly see what is going on.
silatguy 1 year ago
@silatguy
Sure, perhaps, but they do so at the risk of serious injury because they are in competition. The guy in the video isn't fighting, he's training [the video watcher] the techniques dont look a million miles away from other styles, can you see anything amiss other than he's not going all-out? (serious question, Im not "trolling") Sure though, I understand "the proof is in the eating" etc.
p1t1o 1 year ago
@silatguy 8.01 i dount any ufc fighter is flexible enough to bear this. it may be hard to use a technique but thats why you train it to become second nature.
smokinthepot 1 year ago
@smokinthepot UFC fighters are actually most likely the most flexible "fighters" of any category of fighters that deal with a sport environment, they train flexibility, speed, endurance, strength, cardio......
silatguy 1 year ago