@darklordofkickingass Ahhhhhh hablabas español.....muy bien...pues la proxima vez insulta a tu vieja.....y quien se quedaria callado serias tu...con la rota de dientes que te pondria.....
@jigoyawara que estupido aprende a discutir pendejo esto es el internet, te dejo callado con mis palabras no con mis puños pendejo. si me jodes en la calle es por que eres mas grande que yo bruto, y eres racista, que bien te felicito.
@jigoyawara eso es lo mejor que tienes? callate? whoa tus padres deben estar orgullosos de criarte con tanto carisma y astucia, y pendejo ando de vacaciones osea ni con eso me callas. peruano cara de mono.
And you would prefer to have kicks and punches done to you when a BJJ guy is breaking your limbs and choking you!
But seriously, BJJ is not about being fancy and looking good for the crowd. Its about self defence and efficiency.
I have to say that I dont find BJJ boring at all though. Its only when youre a noob to jiu jitsu that is looks boring to you. I guarantee if you practised it and understood it properly, you would see that its a fascinating art that is FAR from boring.
@dynastyflygon Yes, all practical weapons that are usually available in the modern world. lol But at least you admitted Kung Fu is a fantasy martial art and no combat effective.
Well that is your opinion, But I think Gracie would lose easily, before an actor he was a warrior in real life, just ONE punch and he was down. And Bruce Lee could give hive MANY hits. Jiu Jitsu is good, but Jun Fan Gung Fu is a terrible martial discipline.
What wasn't far was that the kung fu guy didn't know jiu jitsu. If royce can beat people nearly 150 lbs bigger than him, then this kung fu guy wouldn't have been so outclassed if he had chosen a different style
if kung fu doesn't make up for weight like jiu jitsu can, then this is just more of the same we saw back when the gracies did it
"IF", you reply to fight then you may wind up in jail/prison. "IF", you like being stripped naked in front of others, being talked down to, eating like a diabetic, living stressed out all the time, fighting atleast 1-5 per year with other inmates/convicts, and being in solitary confinement most of your bid so that your more mentally screwed up than when you went in, then do you.
@SEOandBacklinksPro Absolutely.Royce Gracie is a legendary MMA champion.Who is Bruce Lee??? Actor and philosopher ,and a dancer maybe (he won HK cha-cha-cha championship in 1958)
@SkemeKOS Bruce Lee was an actor.A competition between actor and MMA champion?And BL NEVER win ANY official competition,and he has no judo black belt,because to get belt in judo you MUST take a part in REAL official championship.Welcome to the REAL world,schoolboy.
Well why have I got pictures of Bruce Lee with a group of Judo guys and Bruce is wearing a Judo Gi with a black belt.
Bruce Lee was a martial artist first, actor 2nd. He only got a job in movies because of his talent in martial arts. Do yo think it was his acting ability that got him the roles? He was no Robert Deniro LOL
A fight between Bruce and Royce would be a fight between two MARTIAL ARTISTS.
@SkemeKOS Nice,looks like a PICTURE of Bruce in judo clothes ,explains everything.If you wears chinese costume-you will be kungfu master,if you wears hawaiian clothes-you are the ukulele master etc.
Anyway,fight between BL and Royce is just a fight between martial artist and MMA champion.Do you realize difference between them? Go upstairs and do your chores
A picture is proof. Why else would Bruce Lee wear a Judo Gi and black belt??? For fun?
LOL
Anyway, a fight between Bruce and Royce would be a dream fight come true for myself and many other martial arts fans. Both guys are martial arts legends. FACT!!!
Stop going against the facts just to be different you fool.
@SkemeKOS Well lets talk about facts:Bruce never fight in real/offiical combat competition.No witnesses,no photos,no records,no tapes etc..And nobody called him a "legend".He was an actor,philosopher,and kung-fu instructor.His kungfu skills is 300% fake,just like his" jeet kun do" martial art school.
Royce Gracie is a multiple MMA champion and his skills has been proved in number of serious fights.And all those fights just click away from you.This is real fight,hard,tough and useful.Just watch..
I have ALL of Royce Gracies fights on my hard drive so you dont need to tell me about Royce Gracies fights.
I have a even uploaded a few BJJ VS KUNG FU, KARATE, JUDO etc etc to my channel.
You think nobody calls Bruce Lee a legend??????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA You FOOL!!!!!!
So why do Manny pacquiao, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, John Jones, BJ Penn, Frankie edgar, Frank Mir and MANY more consider him a legend?
@SkemeKOS I told you a many times:Bruce never fight in real/offiical combat competition.No witnesses,no photos,no records,no tapes etc..And nobody called him a "legend".He was an actor,philosopher,and kung-fu instructor.His kungfu skills is 300% fake,just like his" jeet kun do" martial art school.
@SkemeKOS You says:"So why do Manny pacquiao, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, John Jones, BJ Penn, Frankie edgar, Frank Mir and MANY more consider him a legend?"
Lying? Um...no. Its just YOU being an idiot again and not knowing much about MMA and MMA fighters.
I watch MMA and all types of fight LOT!!! And all the time I hear the fighters talk good things about Bruce Lee. I cant find links to ALL the times Ive heard them talk about him because it would be impossible. Ive heard them say it PLENTY of times. Rashaad Evans and Diego Sanchez also said it too.
@SkemeKOS Ok,i watched much of those videos and people talking about inspiration.Ok,he was a great movie actor an d his movies inspired a bunch of people (as i told before).But still no proofs about his real fights/achiviements and other stuff.Boom...and i won the match.
Boom...looks like you just lost the match my friend, because when did I EVER say there was proof of his real fight achievements etc etc??? I never even MENTIONED any of that, let alone claim that there was PROOF of it.
ALL I stated is that people consider him a legend in the martial arts world, which you claimed was not true.
I proved you wrong - I win!
Flawless victory. Accept your defeat like a man and move on. :)
@SkemeKOS You says:"You dont have to FIGHT in SPORTS competitions to be considered a MARTIAL ARTS legend."
Ok, you tried to say that "martial arts legend" means "a guy starred in a couple of action movies,and never win any fight competition". According your definition a Cameron Diaz is 100% martial arts legend.She starred in "Charlies Angels",she knows kung-fu,and she never fight in real life.Just like Bruce.
@SkemeKOS Yes, you are right. People see him as a legend for another reason, not at all related to sports: Hollywood. But do you know who is a better fighter than Bruce Lee? The Alien (8th passenger). I bet Bruce would never beat this one. I think that Jack Bauer and The Predator would also kick his ass. Don't you think?
In the movies, yes, OF COURSE predator would beat him lol! It wouldnt even be a contest. But in real life, Bruce Lee vs Kevin Peter Hall(the guy who played predator) Bruce would kick his ass easily. I dont think Kevin was even a martial artist so it wouldnt even be a fair fight to be honest.
As for Jack Bauer, Ive heard of him but Ive never watched whatever it is he stars in, and dont know how good he is as a martial artist.
@SkemeKOS@domingos79 Maybe you didn't notice it but I was being sarcastic. Bruce Lee was not a real fighter. He was an actor. People believes in the opposite only because of Hollywood and because the human kind is dumb and prone to believe in legends and stuffs like that. This is nothing more then faith and that's the reason some people will never accept the truth: faith is blind to reasoning. One more thing: Jack Bauer is not an actor but a character played by Kiefer Sutherland.
@GodziraRules math can suck my dick, try to put van dame, or royce graci against him, adn they would be dead, adn I don't watch all of his movies, that he made, I just know how a martial artist like that is far beyond what jiu jitsu can do, no shit to JJ cause that shit is amazing, but there are many things beyond
Oh, and RICKSON GRACIE also considers him as one of the best fighters of all time.
These are all CHAMPIONS saying this about Bruce Lee.
Who are you?
Youre just a Bruce Lee hating troll on youtube who knows VERY little of MMA and fighting in general(if you were in the know, like I am, then you would watch it enough to hear the same things I hear)
Face FACTS and accept that Bruce Lee is a legend.
@Domco2525: Hey Domco, you may wanna check out some Shuai Jiao and Chin Na videos. These will take you into the world of Chinese grappling. Some styles address ground fighting, but for the most part it's stand up grappling.
A truly good fighter knows how to grapple but, if this is not one their strong talents they learn how to over come the wrestler/grappler/jiu jitsu. Royce Gracie for example, one of the fathers of brining this approach to MMA, became out classed when MMA evolved away from pure grappling in this regard. Also, some of the best in MMA, Liddell, Silva, etc... Their choice is to stay away from the grappling game and control the fight in this way.
It's funny that so many people think you can simply choose to stay out of a ground fight. Sometimes you end up in front of a great take down artist who knows how to get you off your feet. You mention Liddell and Silva in the same sentence, but the truth is Anderson Silva is as good on the ground as he is a striker. A lot of fighters with wrestling backgrounds have been able to take Silva down, but ultimately, they got submitted because of Silva's profound understanding of BJJ.
pay very close attention to the kung fu guy from 0:00 to 0:02 and look at his stance. all i can say WTF. that kung fu guy has not been trained in kung fu in any proper way at all. unfortunately this is not a victory over kung fu for bjj. this is a waste of time for bjj. the bjj dude beat some random idiot claiming he knew kung fu. but he dont know shit bout kung fu.
Has there ever been a SERIOUS devoted practitioner of self defense that didn't suffer from Arthritis when he/she got older due to abusing their body? Self Defense can't help you when your dead. Learn how to heal because the reward for healing another being far outways the reward for harming one. Think about it! I will not post another comment on this video, PEACE!
Do you really think Shao lin Monks in China/India were practicing on the ground? Peh, BJJ is dated back to about 1900's. Chances are if a BJJ practitioner was involved in a no holds barred fight in China/India they'd be maimed. "Think", your skilled at a particular self defense technique?Then take a trip to Siping City in China or certain places in India. To enroll in a Shao lin school in China is about $5,000 1st yr., $4,500 2nd yr., $4,000 3rd yr., $3,500 4th yr., and $3,000 per yr. after.
Real no holds barred fights usually don't last very long because both opponents want the other one done and fast so that means the confrontation won't last very long at all. The true martial arts are in India/China and all everybody else has are water downed versions. There are no true masters of anything, only practitioners. A BJJ practitioner of 10 yrs. vs. an Eagle Claw practitioner of 10 yrs., who do you really think is going to submit first?
@xxxxLEADERxxxx Seems in the old days people could do martial arts 24/7... That would certainly make a difference as even MMA guys often need a day time job. There probably aren't as many masters even in China or Japan or Korea any more because of how civilization has changed. Certainly this is only anecdote.
@WingThaiJ Many of the people you see in UFC(ect.) are just brawlers. True, certain people with jobs and/or families(ect.) don't have all day to pound wood/stone/metal. Besides that, fights now a days are fought with anything but hands. In Texas, you can shoot them with a gun? Also, "IF", the UFC ever promoted NO HOLDS BARRED fights(IF the USA gov. aloud it), then their list of current fighters would dwindle, "FAST". Lastly, seeing unnecessary brutality isn't fun. Remember only, "Practitioners"!
@xxxxLEADERxxxx That's very possible, however, I would have to say that those who are use to fighting in the ring, know what it's like to actually hit and be hit, etc.., they will undoubtedly have an advantage over styles which do not incorporate regular matches, even if the matches water down the art via rules or watered down during transfer to the US.. I was very impressed by the young shaolin group I saw in China, but also not so impressed by a few' shaolin priests; not to label all of course
@redbulldog No offense, a Kukri beats BJJ just like a Tiger Karambit beats BJJ. "IF", your being sarcastic it's pointless. Fights that involve NO HOLDS BARRED self defense will involve head butting/biting/eye gouging/throat punching/groin striking. Just make sure your life is truly being threatened before you get into a fight or you may find yourself in jail/prison. "IF", you can walk away, then take the walk. Which is harder to you, to fight or to walk away from the fight?
@xxxxLEADERxxxx But sometimes BJJ beats a Kukri and a Tiger Karambit. It is easy for me to fight against bad fighters and hard for me to fight against good fighters. It is easy to walk away from people who cannot grapple because they cannot hold me down very well.
@redbulldog This is the last comment I'll post on this video. Your writing about you and what you think you'd do. I'm writing about martial arts in general and your focused on you. My comments are related towards the video and yours are about yourself. You can have the last word, bye!
@xxxxLEADERxxxx But LEADER, who were you asking when you asked me "Which is harder to YOU, to fight or to walk away from the fight?" I am confused. Please help.
The match-up in this wasn't a no holds barred fight because there's no eye gouging, slapping the ears, pressure point striking, striking the throat, ect.. Look at all these so-called BJJ-vs.-whatever fights and you'll see that these video's are usually from North America/South America. Where's the raw footage of some BJJ fighting a true Monk from India/China? Even there was a fight like that, you'd probably NEVER see a video for because alot of such events are closed to camera's(Private).
Pretty lame. This isn't a street fight. It's under controlled circmstances. Why did the BJJ guy do the Americana Key Lock from Side Control (/watch?v=d3GJXJO00Hs) so violently? Note there are two non-voice sounds. The first is when you can tell he ruptured the opponent because immediately after the sound he quickly lets go of the shoulder and THEN there's the sound of the tap on the back. The BJJ guy then gets up saying, "I got it!" - as if to say, I was going for the rupture and got it ...
Despite the win, I don't like this guy representing jiu jitsu.....looked more like a wrestler making the transition to bjj...needs to work on flowing from position to position (aka take mount damn it!). But I'm gonna stop being a keyboard warrior and just say nice job :)
@Forschbewithu: I had the same thought when I saw his shoes. What BJJ guy would wear shoes? That would also explain why he cranked the sub so violently. Most BJJ guys would lock it in and then give the guy time to tap.
Rubyfagtory is retarded(and yes the g is on purpose).that is what real fighting is.if you want fancy kicks that only work in the movies well...go see a movie and leave the real fights for the big boys.
The funny thing is, an average practitioner of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has an advantage over an exceptional Kung Fu fighter. But I guess you're right in this instance. If you brought in a world class Kung Fu fighter who has trained for many decades and devoted his life entirely to his martial art, then he probably would eek out a victory against the slightly above average jiu-jitsu artist featured in this video.
@domco2525 Erm, no... not at all. Shaolin Monks dedicate their entire lives to Kung Fu and condition themselves a lot more in comparison to the top tier UFC/MMA fighters. These guys fight for "sport", to the monks it is a legacy and a way of life. The reason you don't see these guys proving themselves is because they don't believe in fighting unless they absolutely have to.
... I would honestly be praying for the UFC/MMA fighter if they ever challenged a monk to a fight. I really, truly would.
Face it, Shaolin Monks are over hyped by Hollywood. They're dedicated people who practice a very old martial art that relies far too heavily on strikes. Their lack of grappling techniques limits them as fighters. The fighters who prevail are the ones who have an abundance of disciplines at their disposal, and can transition from one style to the next as the circumstances dictate. Strikes are pretty, but when the shit hits the fan the fight is gonna go to the ground.
Why limit this theoretical fight to a UFC fighter and a Shaolin Monk? How would a Shaolin Monk fair against a fighter who habitually trains in Krav Maga? Krav Maga is arguably one of the most practical, and deadly forms of martial arts. It encompasses everything from strikes, to joint breaks, to grappling, to chokes, to eye gouges, to bursting an adversary's testicles. It's the fighting form Bruce Lee dreamed of when he said he wanted to create "a style with no style."
@domco2525 Even if a great KF fighter could manage to keep from going to the ground most of the time, it only takes one time, so it would behoove him to learn ground fighting and actually I believe many do. There is a style often combined with other KF styles, like Wing Chun called Chin Na (sp?). Ground fighting does seem to be quite important; possibly not as much so if you have to fight more than 1 person at a time of course.
When a fight breaks out, be it in a bar, a boxing ring, a hockey rink, a playground, or the octagon, every instinct in the fighters compels them to close the space and grab onto to their opponent. Watch a boxing match and count how many times the ref has to break a clench. Watch a hockey fight - you'll often see the players grab for jerseys, headlocks, or even double leg take downs To ignore the grappling aspect of martial arts is to limit your potential as a fighter.
@domco2525 ok fights generally break out in places like that yeah true but here is something you have to ask your self. is there space to take the fight to the ground? is it safe to roll around? and does he have back up? in kung fu we are though how to put your opponent on the ground with out letting your self go hence you are aware of your surroundings have no chance of rolling around on broken glass, and can neutralize the threat within 10 seconds. real kung fu is not wat u see in movies.
@heavyironmusic Suppose an opponent doesn't give a fuck if there is broken glass on the ground, or if it's asphalt, or cement he's standing on. Suppose the opponent gets a hold of the kung fu artist and takes him to the ground. It's ridiculous to assume that your skills are so superior that any threat will be neutralized in 10 seconds or less, and you'll always be able to dictate who goes to the ground and who doesn't. Why would kung fu practitioners ignore such a big part of martial arts?
@domco2525 well first off its not ignored search "kung fu ground fighting" . kung fu and most other tma's have ground fighting but they are all aware of the dangers of taking the fight to the ground hence they train more in escaping the ground and putting your opponent to the ground. and not rolling around considering the risk. and they do not assume that their skills are superior but thats what every ma trains for, to make your skills superior than any thug so that u can defend yourself.
Every time I see a video featuring a kung fu artist against someone in BJJ, the kung fu guy ends up tapping out. Then anyone who has any allegiance to kung fu starts to rant about how the kung fu representative in the vid was fat and didn't know what he was doing. Then they say a Shaolin monk would have destroyed the BJJ guy. They miss the point that BJJ is an effective martial art that ordinary people can use with great success against physically superior opponents.
@domco2525 well yeah that would be the case cause most kung fu dojo's dont teach ground fighting or chinna, so obviously he will loose. and i honestly dont care bout how the kung fu fanboys react to kung fu losing. thats there problem. and when a fight breaks be it anywhere every instinct does tell the fighters to grab there opponent, there instincts tell to hit the head. if you watch any street fight the fight always starts with a round house punch to the face.....
@domco2525 (continued from previous comment)... and if you can counter that you can end the fight before it begins. kung fu is a perfectly legitimate art. it works well if taught properly. the problem is it has been watered down to this demonstrative style and lost its true power. and sadly that is what happens to all martial arts, they become a victim of there popularity. then b4 u know it dojos pop up everywhere and the art is watered down to nothing. yeah its even happening to bjj.
Your problem is you insist there must be one single style of fighting that is superior to all others. For whatever reason, you have a hard on for Kung Fu. My point never was to promote one discipline of fighting over another. My point all along has been this: Martial artists who rely too heavily on strikes seem to be very vulnerable to grappling and ground attacks. U can refute this point all you want, but there is plenty of evidence to support my claim.
And I know your next argument is gonna be something like, "What if you take the fight to the ground and the guy's buddies start stomping on you?" Well then your fucked. BJJ isn't gonna make u superman. And I'll tell you what else. There might be a half dozen kung fu guys on the planet who could fend off an attacking mob, but 99.99% would get smashed in the back of the head with a pool stick and they'd get stomped on too.
U STILL DON"T SEE THE FUCKING POINT. BJJ was developed for average people so that they might have some recourse in the event they wind up in a confrontation with a physically superior opponent. If the average BJJ guy went out to the bar and provoked an authentic Shaolin Monk into a fight, then I suppose he would be fucked. But how realistic is that?!?! I'm talking about techniques that the everyday Joe can use to extract himself from a bad situation.
@domco2525 yeah bu that can be applied o any martial art. given that the practioner has been taught well by a good teacher then he can use it to defend himself whether its karate, silat or any martial art. bjj was developed for self defense as was any ma. bjj is a good system but has its flows. just like any ma.
Holy shit, we finally agree on something. Yes, that is exactly what I've been talking about. Every MA has strengths and weaknesses. I was just wondering why Kung Fu is so anemic in the grappling/ground aspect of fighting while, at the same time, it is fanatically thorough in its philosophies regarding striking.
Sorry, I don't think I really agree with you. I don't think the youtube Martial Artist could really represent the whole MA community. Chinese Kung fu has a history of at least 3 thousand years of experience with a population of 1.3 billion people. Well not fair since not everyone know MA, okay said one tenth knows Martial Art that is still 1 hundred million. 1 hundred million x 3 thousand years of "well documented" history and experience. I'm pretty sure they have grappling in them
That's some fancy math, tough guy. So why is it Kung Fu artists have such a difficult time dealing with opponents who take them to the ground?
I'm sure Kung Fu has evolved over its 3000 year existence, but I don't see any evidence to support the idea that it is fundamentally sound in grappling and ground fighting. Can you suggest a video, book, or magazine article that might change my mind?
Thanks but I never said I'm a tough guy. KF artists have a difficult time is because the ones you see in youtube aren't even trained properly. Like I said before there are four basics components in all MA. Punch, Kick, Grapple (locks) and Throws. Every style have them just some focus more than another.
For KF artists that aren't expose to any grapple at all just means two things. 1) Their Instructor don't know anything or never taught them. 2) Not well trained or just don't know.
Well if you want find some evidence, why not go visit the Shaolin Temple? The grandmaster of all martial arts. What's better than watching video or read books when you can feel it yourself?
Try grapple or take-down the monks. It will be a good experience.
I'm not saying KF or monks are the ultimate but it will be a fair subject to test on, as they train everyday. If you're going to test on some random KF artist, you dont even know how often they trained or how much they know
That's a really practical suggestion. I'll just tell my boss I'm taking the week off, then I'll go on price line dot com and Bill Shatner will hook me up on a cheap ticket to China, then I'll show up 22 hours later in front of a Shaolin Temple with my suitcase.
And why don't you stop watching gay porn on the internet and go to San Fransisco so you can experience an unlubed ass pounding in person? What's better than watching video or read books when you can feel it yourself?
Sorry are you trying to do a psychological projection? It's okay to be gay Domco2525. I see gay people in Toronto all the time. It's okay you don't be ashamed of yourself. I knew Gay people like to hide themselves in the gym with their muscles but never knew about that for BJJ dojos. But now I see why Gay people like you want to go and learn BJJ now that you mention about it.
Domco, you're just an idiot. You took my comment the other way. I guess you learn swimming by reading.
I'm glad you're so open minded. Let's get together, and once I take you down to the mat I'll make you tap out when I break my 10 inch tree trunk off in your flabby ass. Afterwards, I'm gonna make you cuddle with me and cook me dinner. And don't burn it, bitch. Remember to bring the Kool Aid. Cherry is the lipstick and grape is the eyeshadow. I like all my bitches to be dolled up like that.
I am an open minded person but I never said I'm gay. I'm pretty sure you'll find someone who want to be your bitch. But from the sounds of it, I think you're more likely the one getting fucked in the ass. Good luck to you and god bless.
I'm not trying to say as I repeat. I'm not trying to say Chinese Kungfu is the ultimate or the best. What I'm trying to tell you it is impossible for any legit Marital Artist ignore grappling. There are four basics components in all MA. Punch, Kick, Grapple (locks) and Throws. Every style have them just some focus more than another.
If you see a MA losing to a Grapplier doesn't mean, grappling is superior. It only means the grapplier is more skillful not the style.
@domco2525 Notice the double leg take down is nothing but a barbaric tackle. You rush at your opponent and tackle their abdomen. Glad to know I learned the very basis of BJJ from Varsity Football.
@HairofSteel555 Have you ever noticed some of the best NFL players were wrestlers in high school or college? Ray Lewis, Bruce Smith, and Ronnie Lot learned the fundamentals of taking people down on the wrestling mat before they played football. And, of course, American wrestling evolved from Greco-Roman wresltling, which evolved from other martial arts. There's a reason why the double leg take down has been around for thousands of years. It fucking works, Einstein.
Your reading comprehension level is pretty damned low. When did I ever say jiu jitsu is "A must and the best?" I never said it, and I never implied it. I said grappling is a big part of fighting, and if you're a pure striker and find yourself on the ground, you're probably shit out of luck. So, my point was this: Why not become a well rounded fighter and practice strikes as well as grappling, joint locks, and chokes? It's not that complicated, Einstein.
@domco2525 nah my comprehension is very good for a china guy, but urs isnt i guess =). Anyway thx for the explanation sherlock, i get it before you even explain that to me i think the way i phrase my question idiots like you wont be able to understand, cant blame ya though. Next time try to be more polite in the way you type, tongues like yours , will get you hurt on the streets one day
@TheRubyFactory: you forgot the part where I then choked you unconscious. Or, if you were being as big a dick as you are in your comments, maybe broke your arm.
You forgot the part where the jiu jitsu guy was about to break the other dude's arm. Why don't you go tell that guy how retarded he is, and we'll see if he stops applying pressure when you tap and scream like a little bitch. I'm guessing he'd just keep going until your shoulder joint was destroyed and your arm bones were sticking out of your skin.
Why would the guy break his arm though? Doesn't he have control or was that the understanding at the start of the match that someone was going to sustain a fracture?
@WingThaiJ well if the kung fu guy was trained in china with hitting clubs in his crunch, he won't break his arm because REAL training of kung fu requires that hit you with clubs and sticks in your whole body so you could have iron bone.
@dark50killer Yes, I'm aware of the 'iron body' training, the problem is that the joints are bone connections, not bones, they would be easier to dislocate, etc... No matter the training, everything it's a matter of how much stress the structure can withstand. I would be interested in seeing how some of the hypermobilie kung fu guys would react to joint bents when they are pretty elastic.
@WingThaiJ: I like the theory that the "BJJ guy" was actually a wrestling guy learning BJJ. Hence he chose to wear wrestling shoes. A BJJ guy would just lock the sub and wait for the guy to tap.
In China, the guys learn to bend into pretzels... I can see them squeezing out from the grappling holds like a contortionist squeezes into & out of a box. In China, they do this stuff all their lives; this guy has a day job I'm sure.. Might be different with some of those styles where you can bend them and their joints move well beyond the average persons normal range. They also are better able to relax & react to what happens. American lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to real kung fu
@MPArmstrong84 They are not typically interested in what's happening outside their domain; they also are involved spiritually... There is something called Joint play. The joints of the body have an extra give to protect them from being over-stressed. Some of these guys you can bend them anyway you want, it just doesn't do anything to them; you might beat 'em , but you might not hurt them unless you strike them. I'm not making dogmatic comments; I'd like to see them fight as well.
@MPArmstrong84 I could definitely see someone hyperextend their elbow and get frustrated when it doesn't bother them; their elbow just bends... As I said, I don't know how they would do, but they keep to their own domain and spar among other factions and themselves.. they don't feel a need to prove anything from what I understand. I WOULD LOVE to see them fight & it wouldn't phase me one way or the other whether they win or lose; it would just be interesting.
@94norbertoenrique I'm not making any excuses... I willing to concede they they still may get smeared.. however, these guys in China have joints that are so flexible that it 'wouldn't surprise me' if you could bend them all day and they wouldn't wince. I KNOW there are some great techniques from wing chun; but I also love Muay Thai & jiu jitsu & one would be better off having training in all of them.
@94norbertoenrique Actually I'm not trying to make an excuse.. I have to love Muay Thai and only don't care much for Jiu Jitsu as I don't feel like rolling on the ground, but I realize it's valuable stuff. I too believe wing chun has some great stuff; san show and sanda does also... I don't care who beats who... I'm just familiar with these guys who can fold their limbs & body over themselves & I could imagine how slippery they can be.
this video is crap....the kung fu guy is obviously unskilled i hope you guys aren't training your preceptions using this video or else you'll never be a ufc champion
@godofdiction I would have to agree with Empyriumman. Majority of stand up styles don't stand a chance against ground fighters. Muay thai and boxing are more trustworthy compare to karate or Kung Fu. Chuck Norris has a good record, bu against the same wight karate/taekwondo practitioners. And Bruce Lee is amazing athlete, but still an actor.
@Empyriumman a bar fight....whats to say it was used against an expert martial artist....I can win a bar fight by tackling someone.. it doesn't say anything.
Ehsan Shafiq? don't you think it's funny how he never faces grapplers? LOL he knows he has no chance, Kung Fu guys usually get their arms broken when they face grapplers, Kung Fu is crap, face it.
@Empyriumman theres no such thing as a crap art, its all situational. Ju jitsu is great under controlled circumstances like this, probably the best out there, fantastic in a sport situation too, but look how long this fight takes? you think he would have time to set all that up on the street with others eager to jump in? I studied ju jitsu under Billy Doak for two years god rest his soul and it is a great art but you have to understand real self defence needs to be faster and more direct
@jalidav1 You're fooling yourself if you think any art is going to enable you to fight against multiple opponents, if others want to "jump in", you'd better have a gun, get real and stop living in Kung Fu movies.
@Empyriumman this is the stupidest response yet..what are you doing commenting on a martial arts video if your gonna say something like that...????? I will have you know that i've been fight situations where several people have stepped in and won ...there are PLENTY of arts that will teach to take on multiple opponents...and jiu jitsu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
1) If you know anything about fights you know that you are very unlikely to come out on top if you face multiple opponents, but if you absolutely need to take you chances you'd be better off with Muay Thai or even boxing.
2) Karate is mostly useless and BJJ has NEVER lost to Karate.
3) if you have to mention actors then you don't know shit about martial arts and I'm wasting my time here, Bruce Lee? Chuck Noris?, give me a freakin break, they were actors.
@Empyriumman no my friend if YOU know anything about martial arts...you'll know that being highly skilled in the sport could have its advantages.lyoto machida and gsp are both karate practioners and have had great success...bruce lee an actor??..bruce lee is the FATHER of mixed martial arts jeet kune do is just mixed martial arts under a different name.you need to do more research cause you obviously don't know your history chuck norris was also a black and won many competitions as lees student
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A little bit of math:
Royce Gracie-ufc 1,2,4 championship wins,
Mike Tyson-50 Wins (44 knockouts, 5 decisions, 1 disqualification), 6 Losses,
Benny Urquidez:49-1-1 (win-loss-draw) with 35 knockouts
Jean-Claude Van Damme-Europe karate championship winner
Sean Connery-Mr Universe (3rd place) 1950
Bruce Lee-0,zero,nothing...
GodziraRules 3 weeks ago
was that a brake?
jamiegee123 3 weeks ago
esse cara todo de preto ai num ca luto nada na vida ! a e outra ele deve ter eskecido ke o jiu jitsu e a arte masi compreta do mundo ! kkkk
euripedesldsjunior 1 month ago
bruce lee was only an actor.....no more.
jigoyawara 2 months ago
@jigoyawara
He was primarily a marial artist that got into acting mostly for his martial arts ability.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@jigoyawara that's what you think stupid.
darklordofkickingass 3 weeks ago
@darklordofkickingass yeah . But stupid is your father. You conchatumadre.
jigoyawara 3 weeks ago
@jigoyawara whoaaaaaa que inteligente pendejo! cuando quieras probar un punto da algun hecho no me insultes y ya! estupido! ves te deje callado!
darklordofkickingass 3 weeks ago
@darklordofkickingass Ahhhhhh hablabas español.....muy bien...pues la proxima vez insulta a tu vieja.....y quien se quedaria callado serias tu...con la rota de dientes que te pondria.....
jigoyawara 3 weeks ago
@darklordofkickingass y tambien deja ver tu perfil ...puto simio venezolano.
jigoyawara 3 weeks ago
@jigoyawara que estupido aprende a discutir pendejo esto es el internet, te dejo callado con mis palabras no con mis puños pendejo. si me jodes en la calle es por que eres mas grande que yo bruto, y eres racista, que bien te felicito.
darklordofkickingass 3 weeks ago
@darklordofkickingass oe mejor callate chibolo baboso.....mejor vete a hacer tu tarea o a jugar con tus juguetes......
jigoyawara 3 weeks ago
@jigoyawara eso es lo mejor que tienes? callate? whoa tus padres deben estar orgullosos de criarte con tanto carisma y astucia, y pendejo ando de vacaciones osea ni con eso me callas. peruano cara de mono.
darklordofkickingass 3 weeks ago
jiu jitsu is so borried, i prefer watch kicks & punchs.
Kabron88 2 months ago
@Kabron88
And you would prefer to have kicks and punches done to you when a BJJ guy is breaking your limbs and choking you!
But seriously, BJJ is not about being fancy and looking good for the crowd. Its about self defence and efficiency.
I have to say that I dont find BJJ boring at all though. Its only when youre a noob to jiu jitsu that is looks boring to you. I guarantee if you practised it and understood it properly, you would see that its a fascinating art that is FAR from boring.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS el jiu jitsu SOLO es efectivo 1 VS 1, si peleas contra 2 o + valiste madres!!, así que mejor el kung fu, m thai o karate que este.
Kabron88 2 months ago
Im chinese and i dont think many westerners understand what kung fu really is
its not just a combat system, its a lifestyle
practicing kung fu is pretty much the eastern equivalent of going for a morning jog
it doesnt necessarily have to be combat effective
and i gotta say, kung fu isnt really combat effective
the only reason i practice it is for the weapons (longswords, broadswords, spears, staffs etc)
dynastyflygon 3 months ago
@dynastyflygon Yes, all practical weapons that are usually available in the modern world. lol But at least you admitted Kung Fu is a fantasy martial art and no combat effective.
LordShandor 3 months ago
Well that is your opinion, But I think Gracie would lose easily, before an actor he was a warrior in real life, just ONE punch and he was down. And Bruce Lee could give hive MANY hits. Jiu Jitsu is good, but Jun Fan Gung Fu is a terrible martial discipline.
SEOandBacklinksPro 3 months ago
I am a BJJ practitioner so I'm not being biased when I say this... This ain't fair the jiu jitsu mustve out weighted that little ninja by 50 lbs!
Skratchit512 3 months ago 6
@Skratchit512
What wasn't far was that the kung fu guy didn't know jiu jitsu. If royce can beat people nearly 150 lbs bigger than him, then this kung fu guy wouldn't have been so outclassed if he had chosen a different style
if kung fu doesn't make up for weight like jiu jitsu can, then this is just more of the same we saw back when the gracies did it
TruNikkaz 3 weeks ago
"IF", you reply to fight then you may wind up in jail/prison. "IF", you like being stripped naked in front of others, being talked down to, eating like a diabetic, living stressed out all the time, fighting atleast 1-5 per year with other inmates/convicts, and being in solitary confinement most of your bid so that your more mentally screwed up than when you went in, then do you.
xxxxLEADERxxxx 4 months ago
judo is so gayyyyyy
SuperCodfan17 4 months ago
Bruce Lee vs Royce Gracie.And Royce wins.
GodziraRules 4 months ago
@GodziraRules Are you sure?
SEOandBacklinksPro 3 months ago
@SEOandBacklinksPro Absolutely.Royce Gracie is a legendary MMA champion.Who is Bruce Lee??? Actor and philosopher ,and a dancer maybe (he won HK cha-cha-cha championship in 1958)
GodziraRules 3 months ago
@GodziraRules
WHO IS BRUCE LEE????
WTF bro!!! Please dont tell me you dont know who Bruce Lee is.
The guy is a martial arts legend. A fighting genius.
A fight with Bruce and Royce would be a dream fight for me. 2 legends in the cage.
I think Bruce would have to improve his grappling to win though.
He DID know quite a bit of grappling - Just not enough to roll with Royce on the ground.
He was a black belt in Judo and trained for a while with legendary Gene Lebel!!!
Bruce was 1st proper MMA guy
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Bruce Lee was an actor.A competition between actor and MMA champion?And BL NEVER win ANY official competition,and he has no judo black belt,because to get belt in judo you MUST take a part in REAL official championship.Welcome to the REAL world,schoolboy.
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
Well why have I got pictures of Bruce Lee with a group of Judo guys and Bruce is wearing a Judo Gi with a black belt.
Bruce Lee was a martial artist first, actor 2nd. He only got a job in movies because of his talent in martial arts. Do yo think it was his acting ability that got him the roles? He was no Robert Deniro LOL
A fight between Bruce and Royce would be a fight between two MARTIAL ARTISTS.
FACT.
Welcome to the real, REAL world, schoolboy.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Nice,looks like a PICTURE of Bruce in judo clothes ,explains everything.If you wears chinese costume-you will be kungfu master,if you wears hawaiian clothes-you are the ukulele master etc.
Anyway,fight between BL and Royce is just a fight between martial artist and MMA champion.Do you realize difference between them? Go upstairs and do your chores
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
A picture is proof. Why else would Bruce Lee wear a Judo Gi and black belt??? For fun?
LOL
Anyway, a fight between Bruce and Royce would be a dream fight come true for myself and many other martial arts fans. Both guys are martial arts legends. FACT!!!
Stop going against the facts just to be different you fool.
Now go downstairs and do your chores, kid.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Well lets talk about facts:Bruce never fight in real/offiical combat competition.No witnesses,no photos,no records,no tapes etc..And nobody called him a "legend".He was an actor,philosopher,and kung-fu instructor.His kungfu skills is 300% fake,just like his" jeet kun do" martial art school.
Royce Gracie is a multiple MMA champion and his skills has been proved in number of serious fights.And all those fights just click away from you.This is real fight,hard,tough and useful.Just watch..
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
I have ALL of Royce Gracies fights on my hard drive so you dont need to tell me about Royce Gracies fights.
I have a even uploaded a few BJJ VS KUNG FU, KARATE, JUDO etc etc to my channel.
You think nobody calls Bruce Lee a legend??????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA You FOOL!!!!!!
So why do Manny pacquiao, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, John Jones, BJ Penn, Frankie edgar, Frank Mir and MANY more consider him a legend?
Anderson Silva even said he was the best.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS I told you a many times:Bruce never fight in real/offiical combat competition.No witnesses,no photos,no records,no tapes etc..And nobody called him a "legend".He was an actor,philosopher,and kung-fu instructor.His kungfu skills is 300% fake,just like his" jeet kun do" martial art school.
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS You says:"So why do Manny pacquiao, Anderson Silva, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, John Jones, BJ Penn, Frankie edgar, Frank Mir and MANY more consider him a legend?"
How about proofs? Videos,or quotes? Lying again?
GodziraRules 2 months ago
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SkemeKOS 2 months ago
Lying? Um...no. Its just YOU being an idiot again and not knowing much about MMA and MMA fighters.
I watch MMA and all types of fight LOT!!! And all the time I hear the fighters talk good things about Bruce Lee. I cant find links to ALL the times Ive heard them talk about him because it would be impossible. Ive heard them say it PLENTY of times. Rashaad Evans and Diego Sanchez also said it too.
Heres some links -
/watch?v=VXPSywUzwJw
watch all 15 of those videos.
/watch?v=zb13OyBLBcA
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Ok,i watched much of those videos and people talking about inspiration.Ok,he was a great movie actor an d his movies inspired a bunch of people (as i told before).But still no proofs about his real fights/achiviements and other stuff.Boom...and i won the match.
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
Boom...looks like you just lost the match my friend, because when did I EVER say there was proof of his real fight achievements etc etc??? I never even MENTIONED any of that, let alone claim that there was PROOF of it.
ALL I stated is that people consider him a legend in the martial arts world, which you claimed was not true.
I proved you wrong - I win!
Flawless victory. Accept your defeat like a man and move on. :)
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS
A little bit of math:
Royce Gracie-ufc 1,2,4 championship wins,
Mike Tyson-50 Wins (44 knockouts, 5 decisions, 1 disqualification), 6 Losses,
Benny Urquidez:49-1-1 (win-loss-draw) with 35 knockouts
Jean-Claude Van Damme-Europe karate championship winner
Sean Connery-Mr Universe (3rd place) 1950
Bruce Lee-0,zero,nothing...
A martial arts" legend"?
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
Your math is sound but youre way of thinking is all wrong.
You dont have to FIGHT in SPORTS competitions to be considered a MARTIAL ARTS legend.
Simple as that my friend.
People see Bruce as a legend. Thats a FACT! No amount of "maths" is ever going to change what people say and think about Bruce Lee.
People see him as a legend for OTHER reasons anyway.
Those reasons have NOTHING to do with sports competitions.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
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@SkemeKOS You says:"You dont have to FIGHT in SPORTS competitions to be considered a MARTIAL ARTS legend."
Ok, you tried to say that "martial arts legend" means "a guy starred in a couple of action movies,and never win any fight competition". According your definition a Cameron Diaz is 100% martial arts legend.She starred in "Charlies Angels",she knows kung-fu,and she never fight in real life.Just like Bruce.
GodziraRules 2 months ago
@SkemeKOS Yes, you are right. People see him as a legend for another reason, not at all related to sports: Hollywood. But do you know who is a better fighter than Bruce Lee? The Alien (8th passenger). I bet Bruce would never beat this one. I think that Jack Bauer and The Predator would also kick his ass. Don't you think?
domingos79 1 month ago
@domingos79
In the movies, yes, OF COURSE predator would beat him lol! It wouldnt even be a contest. But in real life, Bruce Lee vs Kevin Peter Hall(the guy who played predator) Bruce would kick his ass easily. I dont think Kevin was even a martial artist so it wouldnt even be a fair fight to be honest.
As for Jack Bauer, Ive heard of him but Ive never watched whatever it is he stars in, and dont know how good he is as a martial artist.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS @domingos79 Maybe you didn't notice it but I was being sarcastic. Bruce Lee was not a real fighter. He was an actor. People believes in the opposite only because of Hollywood and because the human kind is dumb and prone to believe in legends and stuffs like that. This is nothing more then faith and that's the reason some people will never accept the truth: faith is blind to reasoning. One more thing: Jack Bauer is not an actor but a character played by Kiefer Sutherland.
domingos79 1 month ago
@domingos79
Maybe you didnt notice it but I ignored your sarcasm and answered you seriously.
Im not blind to the truth my friend. :)
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@GodziraRules math can suck my dick, try to put van dame, or royce graci against him, adn they would be dead, adn I don't watch all of his movies, that he made, I just know how a martial artist like that is far beyond what jiu jitsu can do, no shit to JJ cause that shit is amazing, but there are many things beyond
darklordofkickingass 3 weeks ago
@GodziraRules
/watch?v=VBobYlHWCfI&feature=related
/watch?v=VBobYlHWCfI&feature=related
/watch?v=n7Z-tTzYTG0
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
@GodziraRules
Oh, and RICKSON GRACIE also considers him as one of the best fighters of all time.
These are all CHAMPIONS saying this about Bruce Lee.
Who are you?
Youre just a Bruce Lee hating troll on youtube who knows VERY little of MMA and fighting in general(if you were in the know, like I am, then you would watch it enough to hear the same things I hear)
Face FACTS and accept that Bruce Lee is a legend.
SkemeKOS 2 months ago
1:00 ...FUCK !! what was that cracking sound ???
steveN111333 4 months ago
@Domco2525: by the way, they are Kung Fu styles. Also check out San Shou (Sanda). This art combines striking and grappling similar to MMA.
IBurton86 4 months ago
@Domco2525: Hey Domco, you may wanna check out some Shuai Jiao and Chin Na videos. These will take you into the world of Chinese grappling. Some styles address ground fighting, but for the most part it's stand up grappling.
IBurton86 4 months ago
A truly good fighter knows how to grapple but, if this is not one their strong talents they learn how to over come the wrestler/grappler/jiu jitsu. Royce Gracie for example, one of the fathers of brining this approach to MMA, became out classed when MMA evolved away from pure grappling in this regard. Also, some of the best in MMA, Liddell, Silva, etc... Their choice is to stay away from the grappling game and control the fight in this way.
GTCism 5 months ago
@GTCism
It's funny that so many people think you can simply choose to stay out of a ground fight. Sometimes you end up in front of a great take down artist who knows how to get you off your feet. You mention Liddell and Silva in the same sentence, but the truth is Anderson Silva is as good on the ground as he is a striker. A lot of fighters with wrestling backgrounds have been able to take Silva down, but ultimately, they got submitted because of Silva's profound understanding of BJJ.
domco2525 5 months ago
El jiu jitsu como siempre agarrando y en el suelo tan marica ellos!!
mensajeroceleste7 5 months ago
@mensajeroceleste7 y les ganan a todos
SandmanJAAE 5 months ago
@cwkinser Watch "Man punches shaolin monk"
kenokurose 5 months ago
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@kenokurose
" Watch 'Man punches shaolin monk' "
In high school, my friends and I used to trade punches to the stomach when we were bored... good times..
afreiden 5 months ago
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@kenokurose
" Watch 'Man punches shaolin monk' "
Oh, wait, are you inferring something about the monk's fighting ability from that video? Nah, can't be..
afreiden 5 months ago
Did that guy break his arm?
froyboy4life 5 months ago
put ur finger back side on ear u oponet... KO!
SerusoRyu 5 months ago
pay very close attention to the kung fu guy from 0:00 to 0:02 and look at his stance. all i can say WTF. that kung fu guy has not been trained in kung fu in any proper way at all. unfortunately this is not a victory over kung fu for bjj. this is a waste of time for bjj. the bjj dude beat some random idiot claiming he knew kung fu. but he dont know shit bout kung fu.
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@NorseCimmerian You are right...their ignorance irritates me.
kirecorp 5 months ago
Has there ever been a SERIOUS devoted practitioner of self defense that didn't suffer from Arthritis when he/she got older due to abusing their body? Self Defense can't help you when your dead. Learn how to heal because the reward for healing another being far outways the reward for harming one. Think about it! I will not post another comment on this video, PEACE!
xxxxLEADERxxxx 5 months ago
Anyone noticed the size difference?
gsvkck 5 months ago
Do you really think Shao lin Monks in China/India were practicing on the ground? Peh, BJJ is dated back to about 1900's. Chances are if a BJJ practitioner was involved in a no holds barred fight in China/India they'd be maimed. "Think", your skilled at a particular self defense technique?Then take a trip to Siping City in China or certain places in India. To enroll in a Shao lin school in China is about $5,000 1st yr., $4,500 2nd yr., $4,000 3rd yr., $3,500 4th yr., and $3,000 per yr. after.
xxxxLEADERxxxx 6 months ago
Real no holds barred fights usually don't last very long because both opponents want the other one done and fast so that means the confrontation won't last very long at all. The true martial arts are in India/China and all everybody else has are water downed versions. There are no true masters of anything, only practitioners. A BJJ practitioner of 10 yrs. vs. an Eagle Claw practitioner of 10 yrs., who do you really think is going to submit first?
xxxxLEADERxxxx 6 months ago
@xxxxLEADERxxxx Seems in the old days people could do martial arts 24/7... That would certainly make a difference as even MMA guys often need a day time job. There probably aren't as many masters even in China or Japan or Korea any more because of how civilization has changed. Certainly this is only anecdote.
WingThaiJ 5 months ago
@WingThaiJ Many of the people you see in UFC(ect.) are just brawlers. True, certain people with jobs and/or families(ect.) don't have all day to pound wood/stone/metal. Besides that, fights now a days are fought with anything but hands. In Texas, you can shoot them with a gun? Also, "IF", the UFC ever promoted NO HOLDS BARRED fights(IF the USA gov. aloud it), then their list of current fighters would dwindle, "FAST". Lastly, seeing unnecessary brutality isn't fun. Remember only, "Practitioners"!
xxxxLEADERxxxx 5 months ago
@xxxxLEADERxxxx That's very possible, however, I would have to say that those who are use to fighting in the ring, know what it's like to actually hit and be hit, etc.., they will undoubtedly have an advantage over styles which do not incorporate regular matches, even if the matches water down the art via rules or watered down during transfer to the US.. I was very impressed by the young shaolin group I saw in China, but also not so impressed by a few' shaolin priests; not to label all of course
WingThaiJ 5 months ago
@xxxxLEADERxxxx I think Eagle Claw submits first. Thanks for asking! But does my monkey style defeat your BJJ style? That is the question.
redbulldog 4 months ago
@redbulldog No offense, a Kukri beats BJJ just like a Tiger Karambit beats BJJ. "IF", your being sarcastic it's pointless. Fights that involve NO HOLDS BARRED self defense will involve head butting/biting/eye gouging/throat punching/groin striking. Just make sure your life is truly being threatened before you get into a fight or you may find yourself in jail/prison. "IF", you can walk away, then take the walk. Which is harder to you, to fight or to walk away from the fight?
xxxxLEADERxxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxLEADERxxxx But sometimes BJJ beats a Kukri and a Tiger Karambit. It is easy for me to fight against bad fighters and hard for me to fight against good fighters. It is easy to walk away from people who cannot grapple because they cannot hold me down very well.
redbulldog 4 months ago
@redbulldog This is the last comment I'll post on this video. Your writing about you and what you think you'd do. I'm writing about martial arts in general and your focused on you. My comments are related towards the video and yours are about yourself. You can have the last word, bye!
xxxxLEADERxxxx 4 months ago
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@xxxxLEADERxxxx But LEADER, who were you asking when you asked me "Which is harder to YOU, to fight or to walk away from the fight?" I am confused. Please help.
redbulldog 4 months ago
@xxxxLEADERxxxx And a gun beats both of those, and a nuclear warhead beats a gun, so what? Stupid comparison.
LordShandor 3 months ago
The match-up in this wasn't a no holds barred fight because there's no eye gouging, slapping the ears, pressure point striking, striking the throat, ect.. Look at all these so-called BJJ-vs.-whatever fights and you'll see that these video's are usually from North America/South America. Where's the raw footage of some BJJ fighting a true Monk from India/China? Even there was a fight like that, you'd probably NEVER see a video for because alot of such events are closed to camera's(Private).
xxxxLEADERxxxx 6 months ago
Pretty lame. This isn't a street fight. It's under controlled circmstances. Why did the BJJ guy do the Americana Key Lock from Side Control (/watch?v=d3GJXJO00Hs) so violently? Note there are two non-voice sounds. The first is when you can tell he ruptured the opponent because immediately after the sound he quickly lets go of the shoulder and THEN there's the sound of the tap on the back. The BJJ guy then gets up saying, "I got it!" - as if to say, I was going for the rupture and got it ...
utubesqueeze 6 months ago
Despite the win, I don't like this guy representing jiu jitsu.....looked more like a wrestler making the transition to bjj...needs to work on flowing from position to position (aka take mount damn it!). But I'm gonna stop being a keyboard warrior and just say nice job :)
Forschbewithu 6 months ago
@Forschbewithu: I had the same thought when I saw his shoes. What BJJ guy would wear shoes? That would also explain why he cranked the sub so violently. Most BJJ guys would lock it in and then give the guy time to tap.
wrybread 5 months ago
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They choosed a random kung fu practitionner i would like to see him try to fight against shaolin monk ^^
fredericthomas2009 6 months ago
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fredericthomas2009 6 months ago
@RedWildCatz9 . u told that "jiu jitsu is self defend, not fight".. but it sure is also a fightsport.
jm1981jm 6 months ago
@jm1981jm : jui jitsu fighter are the best fighter
RampageRamin 6 months ago
pode inventar bom fio, pra arte suave não tem bruce lee nem van dame!
7Campelo 7 months ago
Rubyfagtory is retarded(and yes the g is on purpose).that is what real fighting is.if you want fancy kicks that only work in the movies well...go see a movie and leave the real fights for the big boys.
CURTISHUNDLEY1073 7 months ago
jujigatame, would benice there
alezyz 7 months ago
kung fu master is fail because he is not fit and he is skinny and he sucks ass. fight a real kung fu is like sanda style and u get ur ass kicked.
amessenger4god78 7 months ago
@amessenger4god78
The funny thing is, an average practitioner of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has an advantage over an exceptional Kung Fu fighter. But I guess you're right in this instance. If you brought in a world class Kung Fu fighter who has trained for many decades and devoted his life entirely to his martial art, then he probably would eek out a victory against the slightly above average jiu-jitsu artist featured in this video.
domco2525 6 months ago
@domco2525 Erm, no... not at all. Shaolin Monks dedicate their entire lives to Kung Fu and condition themselves a lot more in comparison to the top tier UFC/MMA fighters. These guys fight for "sport", to the monks it is a legacy and a way of life. The reason you don't see these guys proving themselves is because they don't believe in fighting unless they absolutely have to.
... I would honestly be praying for the UFC/MMA fighter if they ever challenged a monk to a fight. I really, truly would.
Netlocd 6 months ago
@Netlocd
Face it, Shaolin Monks are over hyped by Hollywood. They're dedicated people who practice a very old martial art that relies far too heavily on strikes. Their lack of grappling techniques limits them as fighters. The fighters who prevail are the ones who have an abundance of disciplines at their disposal, and can transition from one style to the next as the circumstances dictate. Strikes are pretty, but when the shit hits the fan the fight is gonna go to the ground.
domco2525 6 months ago
@domco2525 Haha, maybe. That's if the Jiu Jitsu guy manages to get the monk on the ground before he hits the ground in a blink of an eye. ;)
Netlocd 6 months ago
@Netlocd
Why limit this theoretical fight to a UFC fighter and a Shaolin Monk? How would a Shaolin Monk fair against a fighter who habitually trains in Krav Maga? Krav Maga is arguably one of the most practical, and deadly forms of martial arts. It encompasses everything from strikes, to joint breaks, to grappling, to chokes, to eye gouges, to bursting an adversary's testicles. It's the fighting form Bruce Lee dreamed of when he said he wanted to create "a style with no style."
domco2525 6 months ago
@domco2525 Even if a great KF fighter could manage to keep from going to the ground most of the time, it only takes one time, so it would behoove him to learn ground fighting and actually I believe many do. There is a style often combined with other KF styles, like Wing Chun called Chin Na (sp?). Ground fighting does seem to be quite important; possibly not as much so if you have to fight more than 1 person at a time of course.
WingThaiJ 5 months ago
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jiu jitsu is fucking retarded like woohoo i took you to the ground and layed on top of you. fucking retarded shit this is
TheRubyFactory 7 months ago
@TheRubyFactory Fighting takes place standing or on the ground. If you don't know how to fight from the ground you lose
jungenbum 7 months ago
@jungenbum in other words just go take some wrestling classes
amessenger4god78 7 months ago
@TheRubyFactory
When a fight breaks out, be it in a bar, a boxing ring, a hockey rink, a playground, or the octagon, every instinct in the fighters compels them to close the space and grab onto to their opponent. Watch a boxing match and count how many times the ref has to break a clench. Watch a hockey fight - you'll often see the players grab for jerseys, headlocks, or even double leg take downs To ignore the grappling aspect of martial arts is to limit your potential as a fighter.
domco2525 6 months ago 45
@domco2525 ok fights generally break out in places like that yeah true but here is something you have to ask your self. is there space to take the fight to the ground? is it safe to roll around? and does he have back up? in kung fu we are though how to put your opponent on the ground with out letting your self go hence you are aware of your surroundings have no chance of rolling around on broken glass, and can neutralize the threat within 10 seconds. real kung fu is not wat u see in movies.
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic Suppose an opponent doesn't give a fuck if there is broken glass on the ground, or if it's asphalt, or cement he's standing on. Suppose the opponent gets a hold of the kung fu artist and takes him to the ground. It's ridiculous to assume that your skills are so superior that any threat will be neutralized in 10 seconds or less, and you'll always be able to dictate who goes to the ground and who doesn't. Why would kung fu practitioners ignore such a big part of martial arts?
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525 well first off its not ignored search "kung fu ground fighting" . kung fu and most other tma's have ground fighting but they are all aware of the dangers of taking the fight to the ground hence they train more in escaping the ground and putting your opponent to the ground. and not rolling around considering the risk. and they do not assume that their skills are superior but thats what every ma trains for, to make your skills superior than any thug so that u can defend yourself.
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic
Every time I see a video featuring a kung fu artist against someone in BJJ, the kung fu guy ends up tapping out. Then anyone who has any allegiance to kung fu starts to rant about how the kung fu representative in the vid was fat and didn't know what he was doing. Then they say a Shaolin monk would have destroyed the BJJ guy. They miss the point that BJJ is an effective martial art that ordinary people can use with great success against physically superior opponents.
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525 well yeah that would be the case cause most kung fu dojo's dont teach ground fighting or chinna, so obviously he will loose. and i honestly dont care bout how the kung fu fanboys react to kung fu losing. thats there problem. and when a fight breaks be it anywhere every instinct does tell the fighters to grab there opponent, there instincts tell to hit the head. if you watch any street fight the fight always starts with a round house punch to the face.....
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@domco2525 (continued from previous comment)... and if you can counter that you can end the fight before it begins. kung fu is a perfectly legitimate art. it works well if taught properly. the problem is it has been watered down to this demonstrative style and lost its true power. and sadly that is what happens to all martial arts, they become a victim of there popularity. then b4 u know it dojos pop up everywhere and the art is watered down to nothing. yeah its even happening to bjj.
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic
Your problem is you insist there must be one single style of fighting that is superior to all others. For whatever reason, you have a hard on for Kung Fu. My point never was to promote one discipline of fighting over another. My point all along has been this: Martial artists who rely too heavily on strikes seem to be very vulnerable to grappling and ground attacks. U can refute this point all you want, but there is plenty of evidence to support my claim.
domco2525 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic
And I know your next argument is gonna be something like, "What if you take the fight to the ground and the guy's buddies start stomping on you?" Well then your fucked. BJJ isn't gonna make u superman. And I'll tell you what else. There might be a half dozen kung fu guys on the planet who could fend off an attacking mob, but 99.99% would get smashed in the back of the head with a pool stick and they'd get stomped on too.
domco2525 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic
U STILL DON"T SEE THE FUCKING POINT. BJJ was developed for average people so that they might have some recourse in the event they wind up in a confrontation with a physically superior opponent. If the average BJJ guy went out to the bar and provoked an authentic Shaolin Monk into a fight, then I suppose he would be fucked. But how realistic is that?!?! I'm talking about techniques that the everyday Joe can use to extract himself from a bad situation.
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525 yeah bu that can be applied o any martial art. given that the practioner has been taught well by a good teacher then he can use it to defend himself whether its karate, silat or any martial art. bjj was developed for self defense as was any ma. bjj is a good system but has its flows. just like any ma.
heavyironmusic 5 months ago
@heavyironmusic
Holy shit, we finally agree on something. Yes, that is exactly what I've been talking about. Every MA has strengths and weaknesses. I was just wondering why Kung Fu is so anemic in the grappling/ground aspect of fighting while, at the same time, it is fanatically thorough in its philosophies regarding striking.
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525 could not agree more...
msilvamalvado 5 months ago 7
@domco2525
Sorry, I don't think I really agree with you. I don't think the youtube Martial Artist could really represent the whole MA community. Chinese Kung fu has a history of at least 3 thousand years of experience with a population of 1.3 billion people. Well not fair since not everyone know MA, okay said one tenth knows Martial Art that is still 1 hundred million. 1 hundred million x 3 thousand years of "well documented" history and experience. I'm pretty sure they have grappling in them
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@darkstorm300
That's some fancy math, tough guy. So why is it Kung Fu artists have such a difficult time dealing with opponents who take them to the ground?
I'm sure Kung Fu has evolved over its 3000 year existence, but I don't see any evidence to support the idea that it is fundamentally sound in grappling and ground fighting. Can you suggest a video, book, or magazine article that might change my mind?
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525
Thanks but I never said I'm a tough guy. KF artists have a difficult time is because the ones you see in youtube aren't even trained properly. Like I said before there are four basics components in all MA. Punch, Kick, Grapple (locks) and Throws. Every style have them just some focus more than another.
For KF artists that aren't expose to any grapple at all just means two things. 1) Their Instructor don't know anything or never taught them. 2) Not well trained or just don't know.
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@domco2525 (cont)
Well if you want find some evidence, why not go visit the Shaolin Temple? The grandmaster of all martial arts. What's better than watching video or read books when you can feel it yourself?
Try grapple or take-down the monks. It will be a good experience.
I'm not saying KF or monks are the ultimate but it will be a fair subject to test on, as they train everyday. If you're going to test on some random KF artist, you dont even know how often they trained or how much they know
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@darkstorm300
That's a really practical suggestion. I'll just tell my boss I'm taking the week off, then I'll go on price line dot com and Bill Shatner will hook me up on a cheap ticket to China, then I'll show up 22 hours later in front of a Shaolin Temple with my suitcase.
And why don't you stop watching gay porn on the internet and go to San Fransisco so you can experience an unlubed ass pounding in person? What's better than watching video or read books when you can feel it yourself?
domco2525 5 months ago
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darkstorm300 5 months ago
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darkstorm300 5 months ago
@domco2525
Sorry are you trying to do a psychological projection? It's okay to be gay Domco2525. I see gay people in Toronto all the time. It's okay you don't be ashamed of yourself. I knew Gay people like to hide themselves in the gym with their muscles but never knew about that for BJJ dojos. But now I see why Gay people like you want to go and learn BJJ now that you mention about it.
Domco, you're just an idiot. You took my comment the other way. I guess you learn swimming by reading.
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@darkstorm300
I'm glad you're so open minded. Let's get together, and once I take you down to the mat I'll make you tap out when I break my 10 inch tree trunk off in your flabby ass. Afterwards, I'm gonna make you cuddle with me and cook me dinner. And don't burn it, bitch. Remember to bring the Kool Aid. Cherry is the lipstick and grape is the eyeshadow. I like all my bitches to be dolled up like that.
domco2525 5 months ago
@domco2525
I am an open minded person but I never said I'm gay. I'm pretty sure you'll find someone who want to be your bitch. But from the sounds of it, I think you're more likely the one getting fucked in the ass. Good luck to you and god bless.
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@domco2525 (cont)
I'm not trying to say as I repeat. I'm not trying to say Chinese Kungfu is the ultimate or the best. What I'm trying to tell you it is impossible for any legit Marital Artist ignore grappling. There are four basics components in all MA. Punch, Kick, Grapple (locks) and Throws. Every style have them just some focus more than another.
If you see a MA losing to a Grapplier doesn't mean, grappling is superior. It only means the grapplier is more skillful not the style.
darkstorm300 5 months ago
@domco2525 Notice the double leg take down is nothing but a barbaric tackle. You rush at your opponent and tackle their abdomen. Glad to know I learned the very basis of BJJ from Varsity Football.
HairofSteel555 5 months ago
@HairofSteel555 Have you ever noticed some of the best NFL players were wrestlers in high school or college? Ray Lewis, Bruce Smith, and Ronnie Lot learned the fundamentals of taking people down on the wrestling mat before they played football. And, of course, American wrestling evolved from Greco-Roman wresltling, which evolved from other martial arts. There's a reason why the double leg take down has been around for thousands of years. It fucking works, Einstein.
domco2525 5 months ago
@HairofSteel555 Do you think you saw a double leg takedown in this video?
redbulldog 4 months ago
@domco2525 so ur trying to say that , jiu jitsu is a must and the best right?
MechPhantom 4 months ago
@MechPhantom
Your reading comprehension level is pretty damned low. When did I ever say jiu jitsu is "A must and the best?" I never said it, and I never implied it. I said grappling is a big part of fighting, and if you're a pure striker and find yourself on the ground, you're probably shit out of luck. So, my point was this: Why not become a well rounded fighter and practice strikes as well as grappling, joint locks, and chokes? It's not that complicated, Einstein.
domco2525 3 months ago
@domco2525 nah my comprehension is very good for a china guy, but urs isnt i guess =). Anyway thx for the explanation sherlock, i get it before you even explain that to me i think the way i phrase my question idiots like you wont be able to understand, cant blame ya though. Next time try to be more polite in the way you type, tongues like yours , will get you hurt on the streets one day
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@TheRubyFactory: you forgot the part where I then choked you unconscious. Or, if you were being as big a dick as you are in your comments, maybe broke your arm.
wrybread 5 months ago
@TheRubyFactory
You forgot the part where the jiu jitsu guy was about to break the other dude's arm. Why don't you go tell that guy how retarded he is, and we'll see if he stops applying pressure when you tap and scream like a little bitch. I'm guessing he'd just keep going until your shoulder joint was destroyed and your arm bones were sticking out of your skin.
domco2525 5 months ago
San soo..not..jujitsu for the win,epic fail for the "kung fu" master..
evol1349 8 months ago
was I the only one to hear a crack?
94norbertoenrique 8 months ago
@94norbertoenrique No, the guy on the sidelines was eating walnuts, lol.
WingThaiJ 8 months ago
He didnt even use kung fu principles...Secondly, the guy is at least 2 weight classes apart from him. Of course he lost, he was doomed from the start
Locust59 8 months ago
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94norbertoenrique 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
It seem like any kung fu fighter that gets the shit beaten out of him is not using "kung fu principles", what a coincidence.
Have you considered the possibility of "kung fu principles" not being effective?
94norbertoenrique 8 months ago
steupssss!!! this was just advantage :/ look at the size and muscle difference i mean its like a lightweight vs a heavyweight :S
liquidmist81 8 months ago
seems more like a douchy wrestler breakin his arm than a jiu jitsu practitioner who knows self control
domcha131 9 months ago
If you want to compete Kung Fu against Jiu Jitsu you should have a Suai Jiao Kung Fu master against a Jiu Jitsu master.
psicodeleo 9 months ago
Jiu Jitsu é meio tosco.. Imagino o cara na rua contra 3. Abraça um e se joga no asfalto e leva chute dos outros. lol
DellusBr 9 months ago
Omg why does everyone state that bruce lee was just an actor ? -.-"
kirecorp 9 months ago
the white guy is like twice as heavy as the black one.
theNguitar 9 months ago
Why would the guy break his arm though? Doesn't he have control or was that the understanding at the start of the match that someone was going to sustain a fracture?
WingThaiJ 9 months ago
@WingThaiJ well if the kung fu guy was trained in china with hitting clubs in his crunch, he won't break his arm because REAL training of kung fu requires that hit you with clubs and sticks in your whole body so you could have iron bone.
dark50killer 8 months ago
@dark50killer Get outta here! You be trolling.
afreiden 8 months ago
@afreiden /watch?v=i-0I2onmfLM&feature=related you get my point when he hit you in the crunch 4 times without being hurt?
dark50killer 8 months ago
@dark50killer Iron bone? You watch too many kung fu movies.
LamTangGar 8 months ago
@dark50killer Yes, I'm aware of the 'iron body' training, the problem is that the joints are bone connections, not bones, they would be easier to dislocate, etc... No matter the training, everything it's a matter of how much stress the structure can withstand. I would be interested in seeing how some of the hypermobilie kung fu guys would react to joint bents when they are pretty elastic.
WingThaiJ 8 months ago
@WingThaiJ The way the hold looked, it looked more like his shoulder got hyper-rotated.
dmorley100 8 months ago
@WingThaiJ: I like the theory that the "BJJ guy" was actually a wrestling guy learning BJJ. Hence he chose to wear wrestling shoes. A BJJ guy would just lock the sub and wait for the guy to tap.
wrybread 5 months ago
In China, the guys learn to bend into pretzels... I can see them squeezing out from the grappling holds like a contortionist squeezes into & out of a box. In China, they do this stuff all their lives; this guy has a day job I'm sure.. Might be different with some of those styles where you can bend them and their joints move well beyond the average persons normal range. They also are better able to relax & react to what happens. American lifestyle doesn't seem conducive to real kung fu
WingThaiJ 9 months ago
@WingThaiJ Why aren't there any Chinese MMA champs or international JJ champs?
MPArmstrong84 9 months ago
@MPArmstrong84 They are not typically interested in what's happening outside their domain; they also are involved spiritually... There is something called Joint play. The joints of the body have an extra give to protect them from being over-stressed. Some of these guys you can bend them anyway you want, it just doesn't do anything to them; you might beat 'em , but you might not hurt them unless you strike them. I'm not making dogmatic comments; I'd like to see them fight as well.
WingThaiJ 9 months ago
@MPArmstrong84 I could definitely see someone hyperextend their elbow and get frustrated when it doesn't bother them; their elbow just bends... As I said, I don't know how they would do, but they keep to their own domain and spar among other factions and themselves.. they don't feel a need to prove anything from what I understand. I WOULD LOVE to see them fight & it wouldn't phase me one way or the other whether they win or lose; it would just be interesting.
WingThaiJ 9 months ago
@WingThaiJ cheap excuse for your art not being effective and much less practical...
94norbertoenrique 8 months ago
@94norbertoenrique I'm not making any excuses... I willing to concede they they still may get smeared.. however, these guys in China have joints that are so flexible that it 'wouldn't surprise me' if you could bend them all day and they wouldn't wince. I KNOW there are some great techniques from wing chun; but I also love Muay Thai & jiu jitsu & one would be better off having training in all of them.
WingThaiJ 8 months ago
@WingThaiJ
unless these people have congenital join abnormalities, they arent going to be safe from jointlocks, lol
TehPenar 7 months ago
@TehPenar I guess they just have to bend their joints further than usual, lol
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@94norbertoenrique Actually I'm not trying to make an excuse.. I have to love Muay Thai and only don't care much for Jiu Jitsu as I don't feel like rolling on the ground, but I realize it's valuable stuff. I too believe wing chun has some great stuff; san show and sanda does also... I don't care who beats who... I'm just familiar with these guys who can fold their limbs & body over themselves & I could imagine how slippery they can be.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
this video is crap....the kung fu guy is obviously unskilled i hope you guys aren't training your preceptions using this video or else you'll never be a ufc champion
godofdiction 9 months ago
@godofdiction I would have to agree with Empyriumman. Majority of stand up styles don't stand a chance against ground fighters. Muay thai and boxing are more trustworthy compare to karate or Kung Fu. Chuck Norris has a good record, bu against the same wight karate/taekwondo practitioners. And Bruce Lee is amazing athlete, but still an actor.
Matismatt 9 months ago
BJJ is the one of the self-defense systems out there, I've seen it being used in bar fights many times and it works better than anything else.
Empyriumman 9 months ago
@Empyriumman a bar fight....whats to say it was used against an expert martial artist....I can win a bar fight by tackling someone.. it doesn't say anything.
godofdiction 9 months ago
Ehsan Shafiq? don't you think it's funny how he never faces grapplers? LOL he knows he has no chance, Kung Fu guys usually get their arms broken when they face grapplers, Kung Fu is crap, face it.
Empyriumman 9 months ago
@Empyriumman standing it is good, but it has no ground work. But there is a form kung fu what is all ground work :P
UltimateGinger1 9 months ago
@Empyriumman theres no such thing as a crap art, its all situational. Ju jitsu is great under controlled circumstances like this, probably the best out there, fantastic in a sport situation too, but look how long this fight takes? you think he would have time to set all that up on the street with others eager to jump in? I studied ju jitsu under Billy Doak for two years god rest his soul and it is a great art but you have to understand real self defence needs to be faster and more direct
jalidav1 9 months ago
@jalidav1 You're fooling yourself if you think any art is going to enable you to fight against multiple opponents, if others want to "jump in", you'd better have a gun, get real and stop living in Kung Fu movies.
Empyriumman 9 months ago
@Empyriumman this is the stupidest response yet..what are you doing commenting on a martial arts video if your gonna say something like that...????? I will have you know that i've been fight situations where several people have stepped in and won ...there are PLENTY of arts that will teach to take on multiple opponents...and jiu jitsu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
godofdiction 9 months ago
@godofdiction
1) If you know anything about fights you know that you are very unlikely to come out on top if you face multiple opponents, but if you absolutely need to take you chances you'd be better off with Muay Thai or even boxing.
2) Karate is mostly useless and BJJ has NEVER lost to Karate.
3) if you have to mention actors then you don't know shit about martial arts and I'm wasting my time here, Bruce Lee? Chuck Noris?, give me a freakin break, they were actors.
Empyriumman 9 months ago
@Empyriumman no my friend if YOU know anything about martial arts...you'll know that being highly skilled in the sport could have its advantages.lyoto machida and gsp are both karate practioners and have had great success...bruce lee an actor??..bruce lee is the FATHER of mixed martial arts jeet kune do is just mixed martial arts under a different name.you need to do more research cause you obviously don't know your history chuck norris was also a black and won many competitions as lees student
godofdiction 9 months ago