Your ideas and opinions of mooji and what is being said are just as fallible as he is. It doesn't matter who's right. If you spend your whole life concerned with who's right and who's wrong you will never learn anything, and you certainly won't find peace of mind. Truth is what we are talking about, but nothing we're saying about it can be proven true. There is just the truth. If you don't like him, don't listen.
@djtoolhead your response also is as fallible as mine; you call it truth, I say it's another mind game. I think you're fooling people and probably yourself. I respect your opinion but I have the right to express mine. Thank you.
1. I've listened and apply his teachings and after 6-7 months i've end to psychiatry. It took me 1 and a half years with hard efforts to get me back on track. Also orthodox eastern church helped me much.
2. You will NOT be informed, enlightened or powerful, but SICK (anxious, schizophrenic)
3. If you want to pursuit true God, you will find it in orthodox eastern church with teachings that helped peoples for 2000 years now.
Bible "Many will come in my name..." (Osho, mooji, others)
You can go on listening to this guy for eternity and you will never be satisfied because he's professing something that simply cannot exist. Mind games, that's all there is. There isn't anything beyond because "beyond", "that", "self" and so on are simply phenomena; not phenomena of the mind (as if there were a mind and phenomena). All is phenomena. There is no outside or inside. Separation is an illusion. With all my respect to mooji and his fans of course.
@robert9reen The idea of " yourself " is a phemomena , that in which it and the mind appears is very real, how else do you know "you" are here? who is the knower behind the knowing process?
@eaglerock999 I agree. Asking who is the knower leads to endless questions, or you can realize the phenomenon of you asking "who is the knower behind...". Q&A's are traps. Just watch knowing that even the watching is a phenomenon. Nothing absolute can be known because the absolute is an illusion. Reality and dreams have the same nature. All is appearing and going and there is no mirror, no truth, no absolute reference. The absolute is a big lie. What they call enlightenment is another phenomenon
@robert9reen all we can know is there is an observer of thoughts, of phenomeom,what exactly it is,is a mystery,and when the observer looks at itself,life gets really interesting.
@eaglerock999 Observing the thoughts, the observer looking at itself, mystery, etc. are also phenomena; it just changes shape -- or taste -- if you like :-) It being "special" is another illusion; there is no duality in my interpretation. See... something happens all the time outside duality and when you try to "get it", other "things" are created immediately. You think that the observer is looking at itself but in fact it is just another thing happening. Why assuming it is different? Think it.
@robert9reen I'm not really following you,are you suggesting the mind is creating the observer ? that is egoic,the ego has taken over awareness as its own,as the observer.
There is nothing to get,the observer is not an object or a phenomena, it is awareness itself.
Awareness cannot be described thats why its a mystery,it doesn't suddenly appear,its just we dont notice it.
When awareness becomes aware of itself there is no thinking involved.
@eaglerock999 I am saying that whenever we experience something, whether it is watching our thoughts, watching TV, or awareness becoming aware of itself, something is always happening and I call it a phenomenon; not a phenomenon of the mind, but simply a phenomenon. From my perspective, there is no duality. What you're saying could be true for you but I am trying to show it to you from another perspective. You think awareness is special; for me it is just another phenomenon. Please consider it.
@eaglerock999 Your view is religious: you are simply replacing God (the unquestionable mystery) with awareness. This is classical dualistic religion here. For you, awareness is an absolute, a total mystery... sounds familiar? You're just shifting labels here, God => awareness, Saint => enlightened, etc. I am inviting you to consider and understand that it is ALL MAYA. MAYA is everything. Reality and illusion are two faces of the same coin (MAYA). All exists in MAYA, the ever changing phenomenon.
@robert9reen so you are saying ,God, AKA Truth,Awareness, Nirvana or Buddha mind, super consciousness Absolute Being,Self , is Maya or Samsara? thats a new one....God has a bad name through ignorance , AV teachers avoid the word for that reason.
We have to give a name even to the nameless!
The truth is unchanging Reality,it is not a phenomenon, it is Emptiness,empty of phenomena, BUT pheomonena appear in it,and can be known ,but it cannot be described.
@eaglerock999 Yes. I believe that everything is Maya including the concept (or experience or whatever you wish to call it) of God or the absolute. I believe enlightenment is another illusion like everything else. I actually believe that everything is fundamentally on the same level... but thousands of years of brainwashing make some of us believe in nonsense such as the absolute.
The very act of experiencing "emptiness" fills it, so it's not empty anymore :-) Being aware of emptiness!? LOL
@eaglerock999 Nevertheless, I respect your view and your right to believe whatever you wish to believe. Just don't be so sure of what you hold as true. I may be wrong too... I know my view is not very common but, believe me, it took me my whole life to find it: Truth is illusion in disguise and what seems to be "phenomena appearing in emptiness" is itself a phenomenon; actually as Hui Neng once said, there is no mirror in the first place so where can the image be reflected! Cheers :-)
@robert9reen Something is happening in awareness ,that is the mirror,the mirror even reflects nothingness whilst something is arising,that is the experience.
To say there is no awareness is plainly untrue,how else could you perceive nothingness?
In deep meditation all thoughts stop, leaving just the perceiver,that is my experience, not book knowledge,not a belief.
Our true nature is nothingness,emptyness, but it is wide awake.
Best to go with ones own experience, not someone elses.
@eaglerock999 I perfectly agree with you, I have the same experience; I am not denying these facts. I am simply labeling it differently. Yes there is awareness, but for me it is another phenomenon although different; Yes thoughts stop leaving only the watcher, but it is only another phenomenon; yes you can say our true nature is nothingness (skipping the paradox now) but this "mystery" (for me) is just another phenomenon... everything is on the same level, no duality, there is no outside.
@eaglerock999 When you firmly believe that "Our true nature is nothingness,emptyness, but it is wide awake", something is happening, right? When you are perceiving, something is happening. When your thoughts stop (and you recognize it otherwise you wouldn't know), something is happening. See, something is happening all the time. Look at it from a far, beyond the details and their relative importance. This is what I call phenomena and everything happens inside it. Different views, same thing :-)
@eaglerock999 "All talk about truth is untrue" => I perfectly agree because it translates to => "What we may consider absolute is actually relative", or "it's also another phenomenon, a dream, ultimately maya!" This is exactly why I disagree with Mooji and others, because they preach that there is actually an absolute self, a truth to attain, an enlightened state, etc. Meditation can make you calm and grant you self control, definitely yes; but that's it! Enlightenement is an illusion.
mooji talks alot of giberish, ill tell you what god is its the foundation of society, answers to build off of, god is a choice not a answer, god is replaced consciousnes.
As u say the 3 magic words- it describes th whole Universe....
I Dont Know......
This leads into options. Not sitting doing nothing- but a simple "I don't know" is giving LIFE a chance.
If more people said "hmmmm... Hold on a while- I don't know", and we don't rush into assumptions or judgements.... Tht wud be a great start for the "divine intervention".
The void is the crucible of our creative potential. Our creativity is limited only by the restrictions that we place upon ourselves, within the framework of how and what we are.
Emptiness is what you feel when you are alone and it is akin to loneliness. You can be lonely even in a crowded place. What allows you to exhibit and exploit your potential is the way that you act and interact with the people in your life. They are there for a reason and you must fill the void with what you can share.
" Emptiness " and / or " God " is human attempt to describe That which lies outside the realm of perception and therefore can only be Experienced and Never described.
In order to find the Reality that is God the Unreality of the conditions have to be pealed away. What remains is Nothing and that is God - the Unconditioned infinity which includes all conditions as latent possibilities.
Every night you sleep you enter Godawareness - unconciously unfortunately - nevertheless you enter it. :)
complexity doesn't neccessarily mean anything except a complex thing is more complex than something else. Does a 200 square mile man made maze really have any great purpose other than to be more complex than lesser mazes just for the sake of it?
The body is the machine created to hold the Divine (our bodies are the temple of the Living God - 1. Cor.) so that the Divine can experience itself. The ego (the Devil) makes us believe the body is who we are which is why most of us fear death, but it's just an illusion. We are eternal Beings experiencing this world in a bodies that deteriorate day by day and grows old and eventually dies.
To me it could be aimless, and it doesn't matter. To me, it's enough to have a world there in the first place, it doesn't need to mean anything or go anywhere. To me.
Yes it could. Thats why this question hasnt been awnsered yet. But Im asking you, all existing systems (and concepts) concidered, what does it look like?
I agree. To me it's a good thing to try to understand and express the unknowable, but always keeping in mind that it can't be done. How much trouble comes from those who firmly believe they know the unknowable?
God is who created us. But he didn't. He exists but He was never born. He is a person (Bhagavan) and He is also not a person (Brahman). We are His parts, we are One with Him, but we are also seperate.
The path to God is by pure love or bhakti.Bhakti means giving everething to him, including yourselfs (complete surrender).
I believe that God is present even before belief systems arise. Even before I identify with the "I" belief. In this sense, I believe in an impersonal God because He is before I. However, being before "I", He is actually CLOSER to me than I am to myself. So, in this sense I believe that He is personal.
Being both personal AND impersonal, the union of these two polar opposites is different than either term alone. In this sense He is NEITHER personal nor impersonal. Therefore, I believe God to be both terms and neither at that same time.
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ElizaWhiteBuffalo 4 months ago
Your ideas and opinions of mooji and what is being said are just as fallible as he is. It doesn't matter who's right. If you spend your whole life concerned with who's right and who's wrong you will never learn anything, and you certainly won't find peace of mind. Truth is what we are talking about, but nothing we're saying about it can be proven true. There is just the truth. If you don't like him, don't listen.
djtoolhead 7 months ago
@djtoolhead your response also is as fallible as mine; you call it truth, I say it's another mind game. I think you're fooling people and probably yourself. I respect your opinion but I have the right to express mine. Thank you.
robert9reen 6 months ago
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1. I've listened and apply his teachings and after 6-7 months i've end to psychiatry. It took me 1 and a half years with hard efforts to get me back on track. Also orthodox eastern church helped me much.
2. You will NOT be informed, enlightened or powerful, but SICK (anxious, schizophrenic)
3. If you want to pursuit true God, you will find it in orthodox eastern church with teachings that helped peoples for 2000 years now.
Bible "Many will come in my name..." (Osho, mooji, others)
andrewsx16 9 months ago
You can go on listening to this guy for eternity and you will never be satisfied because he's professing something that simply cannot exist. Mind games, that's all there is. There isn't anything beyond because "beyond", "that", "self" and so on are simply phenomena; not phenomena of the mind (as if there were a mind and phenomena). All is phenomena. There is no outside or inside. Separation is an illusion. With all my respect to mooji and his fans of course.
robert9reen 10 months ago
@robert9reen The idea of " yourself " is a phemomena , that in which it and the mind appears is very real, how else do you know "you" are here? who is the knower behind the knowing process?
eaglerock999 7 months ago
@eaglerock999 I agree. Asking who is the knower leads to endless questions, or you can realize the phenomenon of you asking "who is the knower behind...". Q&A's are traps. Just watch knowing that even the watching is a phenomenon. Nothing absolute can be known because the absolute is an illusion. Reality and dreams have the same nature. All is appearing and going and there is no mirror, no truth, no absolute reference. The absolute is a big lie. What they call enlightenment is another phenomenon
robert9reen 6 months ago
@robert9reen all we can know is there is an observer of thoughts, of phenomeom,what exactly it is,is a mystery,and when the observer looks at itself,life gets really interesting.
eaglerock999 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 Observing the thoughts, the observer looking at itself, mystery, etc. are also phenomena; it just changes shape -- or taste -- if you like :-) It being "special" is another illusion; there is no duality in my interpretation. See... something happens all the time outside duality and when you try to "get it", other "things" are created immediately. You think that the observer is looking at itself but in fact it is just another thing happening. Why assuming it is different? Think it.
robert9reen 6 months ago
@robert9reen I'm not really following you,are you suggesting the mind is creating the observer ? that is egoic,the ego has taken over awareness as its own,as the observer.
There is nothing to get,the observer is not an object or a phenomena, it is awareness itself.
Awareness cannot be described thats why its a mystery,it doesn't suddenly appear,its just we dont notice it.
When awareness becomes aware of itself there is no thinking involved.
Thought stops, leaving naked awareness.
eaglerock999 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 I am saying that whenever we experience something, whether it is watching our thoughts, watching TV, or awareness becoming aware of itself, something is always happening and I call it a phenomenon; not a phenomenon of the mind, but simply a phenomenon. From my perspective, there is no duality. What you're saying could be true for you but I am trying to show it to you from another perspective. You think awareness is special; for me it is just another phenomenon. Please consider it.
robert9reen 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 Your view is religious: you are simply replacing God (the unquestionable mystery) with awareness. This is classical dualistic religion here. For you, awareness is an absolute, a total mystery... sounds familiar? You're just shifting labels here, God => awareness, Saint => enlightened, etc. I am inviting you to consider and understand that it is ALL MAYA. MAYA is everything. Reality and illusion are two faces of the same coin (MAYA). All exists in MAYA, the ever changing phenomenon.
robert9reen 6 months ago
@robert9reen so you are saying ,God, AKA Truth,Awareness, Nirvana or Buddha mind, super consciousness Absolute Being,Self , is Maya or Samsara? thats a new one....God has a bad name through ignorance , AV teachers avoid the word for that reason.
We have to give a name even to the nameless!
The truth is unchanging Reality,it is not a phenomenon, it is Emptiness,empty of phenomena, BUT pheomonena appear in it,and can be known ,but it cannot be described.
Have you experienced emptiness?
eaglerock999 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 Yes. I believe that everything is Maya including the concept (or experience or whatever you wish to call it) of God or the absolute. I believe enlightenment is another illusion like everything else. I actually believe that everything is fundamentally on the same level... but thousands of years of brainwashing make some of us believe in nonsense such as the absolute.
The very act of experiencing "emptiness" fills it, so it's not empty anymore :-) Being aware of emptiness!? LOL
robert9reen 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 Nevertheless, I respect your view and your right to believe whatever you wish to believe. Just don't be so sure of what you hold as true. I may be wrong too... I know my view is not very common but, believe me, it took me my whole life to find it: Truth is illusion in disguise and what seems to be "phenomena appearing in emptiness" is itself a phenomenon; actually as Hui Neng once said, there is no mirror in the first place so where can the image be reflected! Cheers :-)
robert9reen 6 months ago
@robert9reen Something is happening in awareness ,that is the mirror,the mirror even reflects nothingness whilst something is arising,that is the experience.
To say there is no awareness is plainly untrue,how else could you perceive nothingness?
In deep meditation all thoughts stop, leaving just the perceiver,that is my experience, not book knowledge,not a belief.
Our true nature is nothingness,emptyness, but it is wide awake.
Best to go with ones own experience, not someone elses.
eaglerock999 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 I perfectly agree with you, I have the same experience; I am not denying these facts. I am simply labeling it differently. Yes there is awareness, but for me it is another phenomenon although different; Yes thoughts stop leaving only the watcher, but it is only another phenomenon; yes you can say our true nature is nothingness (skipping the paradox now) but this "mystery" (for me) is just another phenomenon... everything is on the same level, no duality, there is no outside.
robert9reen 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 When you firmly believe that "Our true nature is nothingness,emptyness, but it is wide awake", something is happening, right? When you are perceiving, something is happening. When your thoughts stop (and you recognize it otherwise you wouldn't know), something is happening. See, something is happening all the time. Look at it from a far, beyond the details and their relative importance. This is what I call phenomena and everything happens inside it. Different views, same thing :-)
robert9reen 6 months ago
@robert9reen All talk about truth is untrue.
eaglerock999 6 months ago
@eaglerock999 "All talk about truth is untrue" => I perfectly agree because it translates to => "What we may consider absolute is actually relative", or "it's also another phenomenon, a dream, ultimately maya!" This is exactly why I disagree with Mooji and others, because they preach that there is actually an absolute self, a truth to attain, an enlightened state, etc. Meditation can make you calm and grant you self control, definitely yes; but that's it! Enlightenement is an illusion.
robert9reen 6 months ago
"To define God, is to deny Him."--Spinoza
pacando 10 months ago
I am God. You are God. We are God. Happy, settled and peaceful. Home. Now put the kettle on.
andrewestbrook 1 year ago 9
God is you and you are God
ronatholl 1 year ago
@haldor72 That's the way :)
LionEntity 1 year ago
peace!!!
Agiantamongu 1 year ago
mooji talks alot of giberish, ill tell you what god is its the foundation of society, answers to build off of, god is a choice not a answer, god is replaced consciousnes.
chadjtee 1 year ago
As u say the 3 magic words- it describes th whole Universe....
I Dont Know......
This leads into options. Not sitting doing nothing- but a simple "I don't know" is giving LIFE a chance.
If more people said "hmmmm... Hold on a while- I don't know", and we don't rush into assumptions or judgements.... Tht wud be a great start for the "divine intervention".
diabolusX9 1 year ago 2
I is
bruceleeC64 1 year ago
The void is the crucible of our creative potential. Our creativity is limited only by the restrictions that we place upon ourselves, within the framework of how and what we are.
Emptiness is what you feel when you are alone and it is akin to loneliness. You can be lonely even in a crowded place. What allows you to exhibit and exploit your potential is the way that you act and interact with the people in your life. They are there for a reason and you must fill the void with what you can share.
Sueezedtight 1 year ago
@haldor72 Oh yeah...you have a feind in Jesus, I mean MOOJI!
xmenrus 1 year ago
I really can relate to Mooji's messages.
bruce3635 1 year ago
hard to descibe something that is beyond thought
stokey72 1 year ago 3
you can't really explain god at all its kind of impossible.
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
Separateness is not.
CCCCCalico 2 years ago
there only is.
Namaste Mooji :)
ukmaggot 2 years ago
even to say they would make emptiness into another lol u cant catch mooji slacking
111iAm111 2 years ago 2
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HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago
" Emptiness " and / or " God " is human attempt to describe That which lies outside the realm of perception and therefore can only be Experienced and Never described.
zeeboss1974 2 years ago 2
Great Job of explaining it. That is pure truth.
HeyWakeUpPeople 2 years ago 4
Even emptiness is a concept, ain't it? God too?
ThePodarek 2 years ago
This guy is so similar to UG Krishnamurti. Also like a Zen master in his ideas
sonofthedestroyer 2 years ago 8
Get rid of the label 'empty-space' and you can intellectually see how it's connected.
nicholaspowiull 2 years ago 2
In order to find the Reality that is God the Unreality of the conditions have to be pealed away. What remains is Nothing and that is God - the Unconditioned infinity which includes all conditions as latent possibilities.
Every night you sleep you enter Godawareness - unconciously unfortunately - nevertheless you enter it. :)
MysticalTruths 2 years ago
complexity doesn't neccessarily mean anything except a complex thing is more complex than something else. Does a 200 square mile man made maze really have any great purpose other than to be more complex than lesser mazes just for the sake of it?
fnog9 3 years ago
lol.
fnog9 3 years ago
The body is the machine created to hold the Divine (our bodies are the temple of the Living God - 1. Cor.) so that the Divine can experience itself. The ego (the Devil) makes us believe the body is who we are which is why most of us fear death, but it's just an illusion. We are eternal Beings experiencing this world in a bodies that deteriorate day by day and grows old and eventually dies.
bellehaup 3 years ago
beautiful
thank you
selah
aceridgey 3 years ago
To me it could be aimless, and it doesn't matter. To me, it's enough to have a world there in the first place, it doesn't need to mean anything or go anywhere. To me.
mercurius0 3 years ago
Yes it could. Thats why this question hasnt been awnsered yet. But Im asking you, all existing systems (and concepts) concidered, what does it look like?
Dennio83 3 years ago
Created or having been created would make you a thing.
We are not things, only being
Sparkbuy1 3 years ago
everyone is just guessing. god, man or mouse? people seek solace in understanding the unknowable. Its a noble pursuit thats ultimately futile.
jifflenuble 3 years ago
I agree. To me it's a good thing to try to understand and express the unknowable, but always keeping in mind that it can't be done. How much trouble comes from those who firmly believe they know the unknowable?
mercurius0 3 years ago 2
god is the unknowable. We gave the unknowable a name.
if we could explain god, god would cease to exist.
it is more than human emotion & intellectualism.
it is more than any human can endure.
bezale 3 years ago
God is who created us. But he didn't. He exists but He was never born. He is a person (Bhagavan) and He is also not a person (Brahman). We are His parts, we are One with Him, but we are also seperate.
The path to God is by pure love or bhakti.Bhakti means giving everething to him, including yourselfs (complete surrender).
matejlj 3 years ago
Lots of concepts
klarmer 3 years ago 3
What about... God is that which is being us.
mercurius0 3 years ago
please tell me he dont belive in god.
stoinge 3 years ago
you, my fiend, have a creator. An architect at least, as all things have.
Dennio83 3 years ago
What if... you are the creator as well as the creation.
mercurius0 3 years ago
creator and creation is both a concept. in truth there is none of them, there is nothing.
leeresblatt 3 years ago
Yeah, but "there is nothing" is also a concept. Everything anybody ever says is just a concept, even this.
mercurius0 3 years ago
yes, i agree with you
leeresblatt 3 years ago 2
manefest and unmanefest are ONE
nonduality0 3 years ago
Aren't all concepts of God merely human stories that attempt to express the uncommunicable and are not grounded in reality at all?
RealityEngines 3 years ago 3
mooji is cool
malx1975 3 years ago
i always took this concept as -1 0 1+ this concept of GOD relates to the direction of your mood and perception.
POWERequalsGOD 4 years ago
Question: Do those who believe in an impersonal God admit that He can have personal attributes?
TropicalBuddha 4 years ago
I believe that God is present even before belief systems arise. Even before I identify with the "I" belief. In this sense, I believe in an impersonal God because He is before I. However, being before "I", He is actually CLOSER to me than I am to myself. So, in this sense I believe that He is personal.
jtram21 4 years ago
Being both personal AND impersonal, the union of these two polar opposites is different than either term alone. In this sense He is NEITHER personal nor impersonal. Therefore, I believe God to be both terms and neither at that same time.
jtram21 4 years ago
Its nice to actually see a genuine discussion on youtube. the way i see it is that we ARE the personal aspect of the divine expression.
flukeskydiver 4 years ago 4
Good for you!
klarmer 3 years ago
que bueno ! great !!
AjataOm 4 years ago