I invite you, for God's Glory, to go to: theabalonekid dotcom (website), and experience "The Gospel Of Jesus Christ Revival" and be blessed by Leonard Ravenhill ministry of evangelism and teaching . His contribution to the Revival has inspired brethren in more then 180 countries/nations in their walk in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, our Redeemer, who IS coming. Maranatha. "Come Lord Jesus".
I am not wasting what's left of this short life on religion - either by participation in it or fighting it - in the remote chance that something that comes after may be impacted by my ignoring the praise and ritual.
I would rather spend time helping people than praying for them.
I would like to make this world better - at least we know we have this one.
I HAVE read the bible - it really did inspire me - to stop wasting time.
@rdvqc I think the only thing for you to do then is get out there and put your words into action. See how many people you can change, see how many people you can "better" without the Holy Spirit involved. It will be the only way to open your eyes to the greater Truth of this life. God loves you. I will pray for you, even though I don't even know your name...God does.
The reported ressurection of Christ is not enough to believe in an invisible spirit world that controls everything , complete with torture chamber for bad people who dare to have the wrong opinion. If you believe that , you should also believe that Elvis is alive and well , as more people claim to have seen him. The Bible is wrong about many things , which is not surprising as it was written in an age where people didn`t know shit.
As for vegetarian T Rex`s . OMG Did they play hymns on Noah`s piano with those cute little arms? Dear God , thankyou for my massive incisor teeth . I know they are only any good for rending and tearing flesh and have "Carnivore" written on them in giant letters , and make this lentil soup a bit tricky , but it should fool those stupid scientists who think they are smart. The only people who can figure it out will be the mono eyebrowed swamp dwellers from America
I receive your love in good faith and thank you for it kind sir. I am sorry to hear that you do not believe me, however I'd like to make one final statement to clear up my viewpoint so there is no misunderstanding between us; I do not believe scientists are stupid, it is very obvious I believe that one must be intelligent to be an accomplished scientist. That is all, peace
Dude, you gotta let go of all your preconceived notions about Christianity. I was a Darwin atheist, but then the spirit of the Lord came upon me, I dunno how to reconcile the Bible with Science, but I know Jesus is real and so do alot of other people, you just find most of them in China or third world countries. You can believe me or not, I'm just spreading the word.
@Sworbertson Jesus was real , probably , but the supernatural beliefs about him are pure baloney. You can`t reconcile the Bible with science honestly , so you would be well advised to stick to the method which considers the evidence. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old , evolution is a fact and Leonard Ravenhill is a sweet old man who talks bollocks. Sent to you with love from my computer , which wouldn`t work if those nice scientists were as stupid as you think.
@ilikezappa oh and the "...are stupid, it is very obvious I believe that one must be intelligent to be an ..." should rather be "...are stupid, it is very obvious, I believe, that one must be intelligent to be an ..." so there is no further misunderstanding. K, peace for real, haha.
You are going to have an uphill struggle trying to support Noah`s Ark and claiming any respect for the evidence . It is just a cute story from our ignorant past ,which has to be propped up by a small minority of Christians who take the Bible literally , however ridiculous the assertion. Ps "part of Mexico" typo Have a good weekend SW and watch some DNA programs if you have time bro
The atheist, of course, does not realize the challenge of a Christian life for he thinks he sins out of mere choice not habit, yet the casual Christian is often so blinded by his sin that he has lost the clarity of thought a godless atheist has in matters he does not even know.
Brothers in Christ, do renew your mind (rom12:1-2), learn to LOVE God, to LOVE Christ, to LOVE the church - for that is all you'll ever have! And then live - not for yourselves, but for the eternal Glory of the LORD! :)
@berniebay I must confess I used to believe in calvinism. I used to think that sin is inevitable. But now I realize that we choose to sin - nobody forces us. An that is exactly why "atheists" pretend that there is no God - they just love sin more than life.
An Atheist does not believe in gods because there is not enough evidence to support such a claim. I'm sorry to phrase it like this, but saying an Atheist pretends not to believe in god just so he.she can sin more is flat out stupid.
@berniebay The "problem" is that God is absolutely obvious. Your own conscience bears witness to His laws. And you are a liar. The atheist just wants God to be a created being, not the Creator, who makes His commands absolutely clear to everyone. So you're trying to substitute a made-up god for the Real. That makes it easier for you to ignore Him. And you're not alone! Many "Christians" do the same. All sinners want God not to exist. Only those who commit their lives to following Christ submit.
stop spouting this ridiculous nonsense you were taught. There is no actual evidence for any type of god, and that's why I'm an Atheist. Sure, there may be a few who are trying to fool themselves. They actually do believe but don't want to.
But, you can't generalize a whole group based upon a few. I, personally, don't believe in any gods because there isn't sufficient evidence for their existence.
@berniebay See, you're trying to force God into your intellect. You won't ever succeed. He is a person and can only really be known as such. I know Him. I met Him. Like many others.
BTW, there isn't sufficient evidence that you exist as a person. The fact that you weep or laugh does no more prove your reality than conscience proves God.
You're personal experience is not justification for me. I'd need to have one and as of yet, I haven't had one.
Sure there is. I can interact with my surroundings. I can be measured. I can be weighed, I manifest in reality. The laws of physics act upon my. That's what evidence is. A measurement of how something manifests in reality.
If it doesn't manifest in reality then it doesn't exist in reality. If it does manifest but can't be measured, how can we know it actually manifests?
@berniebay WOW, you don't mean to say that you seriously think that only measurable things exist !? Does logic exist? Does imagination? Does love? Or persons - real persons, not just bio-chemical robots, manifested strictly bodily?
Please, don't fool yourself! God is real, and you DO know Him like you know that there is a beggar next to you on the street begging for money, yet you ignore Him. So God is pleading with your conscience to love and forsake sin - yet you choose to ignore His call.
We can measure brain waves. Logic is merely a label we put on a process of the brain. Imagination, love, all concepts are parts of the brain. And the brain is measurable. Minds are a property of the brain.
No, I don't know god exists. Besides, which of the thousands of gods are you talking about? Everything you said so far can apply for every single god that ever existed. Thor, Wotan, Zeus, Baal, Yahweh, Jesus, Vishnu, Rama, the Great Green Arkleseizure, Brahma. Take your pick.
@berniebay It is actually quite sad that Dawkins is your idol :(
It is no use going into a philosophical debate as God is real, not conceptual. But I just want to point three things out: first, reducing something to an aspect of it's manifestation doesn't in it's reality limit it to that (e.g., you're not your shadow). Second, God is aboslute (not created). Third, you're just trying to justify your sin (and death). That's it.
Dawkins is my idol? What the hell are you talking about? I've never even read one of his books.
If you're going to stand by the idea that all atheists actually do believe, but just want to sin, then I'm done here. You're clearly not willing to change your mind and realize that some people just don't buy these claims.
@berniebay You used one of the sillyest arguments of Dawkins. Well, but your cult exchanges examples anyway. Sad that you don't recognize that atheism is in itself a religion, often actually submitting to some other religious notion, not called "god" per se, but rather worshiping creation. Otherwise you'd just be plain suicidal-nihilistic. But that takes consistency and some courage.
And, sure, you "don't buy" God, as I don't buy sin. I know sin exists, but I don't value it worthy to submit to.
I like Ravenhill's preaching, but as an atheists, this is pretty weak. I was actually looking forward to a challenge. I guess being a nihilist doesn't allow such things to touch. I don't believe in those absolutes like other atheists do.
As Chateaubriand said (and Dostoevsky has Ivan grapple with in The Brothers karamazov); religion does not come from morality but morality from religion. If there is no belief in the after life, there is no reason for humans to love one another.
I think there is no better teacher on youtube than Derek Prince.
@BrookHornblower If your only reason for humans to love each other is because you desire a heavenly reward , then there is no such thing as altruism and you are ultimately selfish .Morality predates religion. This can be clearly shown by anthropologists. Religion is merely organised belief in mythology , based on dogma , without any respect for evidence. Mr Ravenhill seems like a nice old man , who believes in fairies, like most pastors.
@sedon99 They are all good questions Mr Sedon. I help other people because I want to leave the world behind a little better off for my being here. Altruism , if ultimately pointless , seems better than eating my neighbours.
It is only YOUR opinion that morality comes from God , based on some shaky evidence. I prefer to think that mankind can shape its own destiny ,and that we are not miserable sheep in need of a Father Substitute with questionable character flaws .
It should be apparent that morality is demonstrably relative from ,not only looking at all the different cultures in the world , but talking to your Christian buddies , some of whom think God punishes Homos , and some of whom think He thinks they are ok. Some think He blesses our troops , and some think He commands us not to kill. etc etc
@ilikezappa to think about things so think on these.
Also if morality isn't based on Christianity, then how can there be a standard? If morality doesn't have a starting point from a divine Creator, then how is it anything but relative? You can declare "Murder is wrong!", but it'll never be anything than your opinion if it didn't originate from an all-knowing God who first stated such a thing. The fact of the matter is, Morality is indeed absolute, and does indeed have a starting point, God.
@sedon99 "Murder is wrong " is indeed , only my opinion . It is an opinion shared by most people , because of cultural norms which , if viewed dispassionately, can be shown to have a Darwinian explanation for survival based on cooperation in a tribal environment. We dont , for instance have much problem with 100000 Iraqis being killed if we are told that we are being threatened ( by our shitty leaders)
"Michael Bolton is evil " seems to be a universal truth , and evidence that God hates us, by letting him live whilst taking Stevie Ray Vaughan from us.
@ilikezappa Ravenhill has the witness of the Spirit, not found by most, or perhaps any, of the previous Christians you've come across. He KNOWS Jesus, not by faith, but by repeated revelation and the reality of his walk with Him. This is not mythology or superstition or ancient mans attempt to explain unknown phenomenon. Most Christians in America today think they believe, but they don't, while a few, such as Ravenhill, pray for them.
@ilikezappa All people must discern truth from their experiences, if an invisible friend can manifest themselves in supernatural ways, its a safe bet that they probably exist.
@Sworbertson Truth is best established by objectively considering evidence in my humble opinion. This is why , even though some people vehemently believe that Noah`s Ark was real , the truth is , based on the evidence we have , is that they are wrong.
@ilikezappa Why would there be evidence for a wooden boat built over 6000 years ago? You have to come to God by faith. He's an invisible God, there's not usually going to be evidence initially. In order to interact with him, you have to first assume he exists, then he'll start growing your faith in him by directing you to do things that'd seem risky if you start to assume he doesn't exist. The more your trust grows, the more he'll grow you. That's just the way he is, sorry bro.
@Sworbertson Well , there could well be no evidence for a wooden boat , but there is also no evidence for a global flood and the evidence that modern species evolved over millions of years is overwhelming. The geographical distribution of modern species gives great weight to the idea that species adapted to their environment. Caveworms that you only find in one of part Mexico did not crawl there from the Middle East
@ilikezappa what? science has proved there was a flood what are u talking about and they foundf noah's ark up on one of the highest moutnains, research it before u talk lol Christ is real and so is the bible
@dante1613 No global flood supported by science. Absolutely in contrast to the geological record . Noah`s Ark ? You dont think that was anything more than a cute story? Where did he get the Kangaroos from? FedEX?
Suggest you put the Bible down and study some science ( The real kind , not what "Dr" ah ha ha ha ha Hovind tries to sell you .)
@ilikezappa did u read anything i said idiot, they found noah's ark its not a fairy tle its on a mountain go look it up its the exact sizer it says in the bible its a real boat, and the flood is what put it on that high mountain morabn, u have a religion and its sinning, following satan to hell
@dante1613 Horseshit . There are over a million different species of animal on Planet Earth , most of which need specialised environments and diet to survive. You are telling me an 800 year old man and a few of his buddies could have pulled that off . How did he keep the Polar bears cool ? Oh , God did it , I see. Just because a boat was found on a mountain doesn`t mean shit. Sorry dante but the facts have spoiled that cute story.
@dante1613 Why are there certain types of worms only found in caves in mexico ? Did they all slither there when Noah had finished with them . C`mon boys , I know where we can go ... All the penguins decided to waddle across the desert to Antartica? In other words , the geographical distribution of modern species means that if you believe in Noahs Ark , you are advertising to anyone who gives a shit what a dribbling retard you are.
@dante1613 PS I liked your boxing video. You have plenty of onions , which is the most important thing , but work on your guard because a good counter puncher will get you if you just swing like you did.
@dante161 Onions is another word for balls. fighting spirit in other words. You can have the best technical skill in the world but if you dont have a fighters heart you can`t be a good boxer. It is 99 percent of the game.
I live in England so no chance of a match. I am a light heavyweight but getting old now. I will have to spar with you about religion ! I will be Tyson , you can be Danny DeVito.
@ilikezappa oh i see, na i dont talk religion because religion can mean anything u can be religious about food, but ill talk about the living God and how Jesus died and rose again to prove himself as God because it was recorded in the bible witgh credicble witnesses and if that aint true then no history book is true, the bible is fufilling prophecies right now like the tghird temple being rebuilt it was prophesied 2000 years ago abd the middle east peace treaty and the way the world would worsn
Having "no ultimate foundations for ethics" they must borrow moral values from religion. Yet they, being willfully blind to reality, cannot even see that much.
Alvin Plantinga wrote "Naturalism Defeated" - its available on the web and is a decent refutation of atheism's obligatory naturalism (materialism)
There is also CS Lewis "The Abolition of Man" which is utterly ruinous to atheism's inane pretenses and complete absence of reason
@lordsong7 Appropriate behaviour? depends on your view . There are some plausible Darwinian explanations for tribal cooperation aiding survival. We see some cultural uniformity ( dont murder babies etc) and some disparity. Morality is relative , even among religious people.
@lordsong7 Child Rape ? In my opinion never , but many Catholic priests think it is just dandy . Lots of Nazi party members thought Hitler was the beans , and "God " was with them . We make our own values Lordy , although you obviously disagree because you have selected the Christian God to believe in .
My opinion is that Evolution is a scientific fact which underpins modern biology.
I have heard many of the arguments against it from the dismal ones from folks who are quite happy with the magic apple idea ,to the intelligent refutations which dont stand up to scrutiny, so , unless you have anything new I dont really want to get into that.
@lordsong7 The only thing that matters - is it true ? ,you say.
I would suggest that the best method for establishing truth is the one that takes a systematic look at the evidence , and tests it objectively. The scientific method is surely the best way of establishing , say , the age of the Earth. What is your view Lordy ? How old is the Earth ?
FYI -The original scientific method was invented by creationists
How old is earth? If u believe anyone knows anything like a precise answer to that u are deceived; and I dont care how old it is
Your little side-step here is salient
Again FYI, using the scientific method on the evidence leads to a belief that there is far more to existence than matter and energy as blind atheists believe
@lordsong7 Well , we have some pretty good evidence that it is approx 4.5 billion years old , based on the concurrence of several different measurements. We know damn well that it is not a few thousand years old , as ( and you may or may not be included) some Christians believe.
I said that point is moot and I'm not interested in getting long useless discussions on the faults with current radio isotope dating assumptions and math.
Now Iamy, prove there is no god.
Prove at least that there is no evidence.
Good luck, ur gonna need more probabilistic resources than the universe provides.
@lordsong7 Prove there is no God ? Better men than I have tried .Not possible.
Prove that the Bible is demonstrably wrong about lots of stuff . Easy , but some respect for the scientific method is required. The point about the age of the Earth is not moot , unless you dispute the scientific consensus on the basis that your religion provides a better idea , in which case it is quite relevant
I would suggest that as someone , who , presumably , makes the claim that Jehovah is real and an invisible spirit world exists that controls all our lives , and we will cheat death and go to another realm if we pledge our allegience to a dead jew who was his own father , the onus of proof is on you ,sir , as someone who makes these detailed assertions
@lordsong7 Nice strawman Lordy . I said that the existence of God cannot be absolutely disproven , the same as you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster.
The only evidence that exist for a FSM version s in an Italian restaurant where a food fight takes place - OR, in the imaginations of inane drone atheists who reason very badly, yet think themselves smart
Spaghetti monster ? Well we know spaghetti cant fly , the same as we know a man cant walk on water . It would have to have supernatural powers , such as the ones you presumably cite for Jesus . The Spaghetti monster is a God remember . Please dont use the word evidence when you have trouble with that concept.
All the claims I am aware of that God exists ( anthropic principle , Kelems cosmological blah blah - one of your Dr Craigs faves , have been refuted . As for ID proponents , pardon me but their only purpose is to give real scientists belly laughs. Suggest you watch thunderfoots excellent trashing , or ask the dover school board when they dare to come out in public again ah ha ha ha
Have you been to the creation museum and seen the little exhibit of the cavemen kids playing with their little dino pals ? You will have to get up early in the morning if you want people to take that kind of crass cretinism seriously. Creationism my intellectually lacking ass lordy.
By the way , you are a little lacking in manners dude . I think ILZ (who is wickedly funny and sharp as a pin ) pointed that out . Is there any need to steamroller your schoolroom psychology over people when they are just swapping philosophy with you ?
@lordsong7 Newton probably thought that boils were caused by impure thoughts and that keeping slaves was fine. He was deeply into the occult . Citing 17th century Scientists as somehow giving credibility to creationism is unworthy of you . (Especially as you are throwing the word lame around) Like a flat Earther quoting Plato ."He thought the Earth wus flat and he wus real smart"
Oh my Newton has no credibility today? Gee I didn't know that the passage of time invalidates facts
How about some 20th and 21st century scientists?
A.E Wilder Smith maybe? (3 Phds),"Charles Townes, Charles Thaxton, Richard Sternberg, Albert EINSTEIN, Max PLANCK, Erwin SCHROEDINGER, Werner HEISENBERG & a few 1000s of others I could list maybe?"
go ahead change the subject ... again ...
I'm not interested in rebutting ur persistent escape tactics
The only fanatics around here are u feeble minded atheist hypocrites
discredited? one more time people rotflmao
u admit u cannot disprove God but u turn around and claim the theist is wrong?! Absolutely amazing
U havent given a single valid argument for anything I've asked, u avoid the subject, change the subject, mock and shit urself trying to make a small semblance of debate
@lordsong7 If I am so dull , why are you getting your knickers in such a twist , with your implausible guff about invisible spirits , magic apples and talking snakes ?
Touched a nerve lordy ? I can see the veins on your head bulging !
As for God, everything that exists can be used as a starting point to infer God's existence.
Unfortunately, 4 u, nothing that exists can be used to prove there is no God.
So where does that leave atheists?
With nothing better than blind faith & hope there is no God -with all the other atheist blind followers of the blind; all happily, belching, lying to themselves and farting their miserable selfish lives on their way to hell.
@lordsong7 are you using Pascal's Wager on me? cos you know there is plenty of mythologies that an say the same as yours do, show me proof that your god is the one true god, what if Allah is the right one then guess what see you in hell if that is the truth
@lordsong7 you do know i laugh at your god with the contempt that you do with allah, atheism do not mean no god, it means we do not believe in any man made god, without an after life this finiate life is far more meaningfull then your everlasting one
as for why we fight, we fight for reason, to keep the dark ages away, to give children a mind to think with and not have wars over who has the more powerful magic friend
So now a finite meaningless life is more meaningful?!!
Why is it that 99% of atheists don't even understand the logical implications of their own position?
If atheism were true then there is no purpose to anything at all and all is heading to eternal oblivion - including u and all that u are and think u know
U fight for reason?
U don't get it - under atheism there is no real reason possible since reason is the random movement of non-rational processes
@lordsong7 our morals comes from trying to be goo to others, we know there is no afterlife and that makes this life more meaningful cos it is the only one we got we live on in the memories of others and then we are but rotting meat as for why it is more meaningful, eternal life is a joke you would grow mad if you could even think of what that really meant as for dark ages there was one, we are 1000 year behind what we should be in tech thanks to your religion
@lordsong7 listen i sent you the link showing why a finite life has meaning more so then a never ending one, so what if it was founded by your side, that has no meaning, burned of proof lies on the ones making the positive claims in this case you, and calling me a nitwit is kind of sad, i have no problems with people having faith in something so why do you have problem with people not thinking god is real, and if we are made like he wants us to be do not that mean he wanted me to be an atheist
@bjam89 Stop fooling urself If theres no God there is no meaning to life, period That means that any meaning u invent for urself is still meaningless and ur life is vain Ur a nitwit because u cannot reason rightly on this Ur also lying to urself & hypocritical U said, " you do know i laugh at your god with the contempt that you do with allah..." So u do have a problem with people of faith AND with God Maybe u should think about God 'wanting u to b an atheist' huh? Sheesh
@lordsong7 i feel sad for you and that is all i will say i got no problem with people having faith my problem is when they try to convert kids, stop science and missusing science and that is all i am gone say have a nice and logic filled day
Gee, poor me some blind atheists feels sorry for me cause I can see and he has chosen not to?
Creationists invented the scientific method -almost all the greatest scientists in history were creationists
If u see ur neighbor was heading for a precipice & laughing all the way pretending to himself and preaching to others "there is no precipice", u might have the good sense to try and "convert" him
That ur here arguing for nothing (atheism) proves ur doing worse!
That would be the precipice that noone has ever witnessed , unknown to science , and featured only in the imagination of people who prefer the fables in an iron age book to what we actually observe. Foot down clyde !
I suggest u listen to William Lane Craigs debates with atheists on the existence of God and the evidence of the resurrection of Christ.
He always wins the debates
Just like ID scientists always win the public debates on Darwinism
U can pretend the contrary but thats just self deception and wishful thinking due to your inner psychological need to feel secure in your illogical and feckless world view
@lordsong7 EVERYONE was a creationist in those days . The Church used to set fire to your nuts if you didnt toe the line . They probably still do in Alabama , they certainly do in Iran. Places where religion is deeply prevalent are usually bloody awful. It doesnt make the ridiculous claims of creationists correct Lordy !
You say I have an Anaemic view of God ? Well , I am confronted with a pretty dismal picture of the Christian one , who acts like some bad tempered old homophobe and chucks thunderbolts around in a rage . Didnt he drown everybody once because they pissed him off ? Nothing wrong with my iron levels Lordy . Judgement day ? dont think so......
@lordsong7 Freedom ? How can one be free if there is a law mandated by a god who cannot be challenged? That seems contradictory. Surely the Christian idea is a dictatorship , which can be interpreted as benevolent , or monsterous depending on your analysis?
Freedom "presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike"
The Xian idea is indeed a kind of dictatorship, but by a benevolent ruler. Yet the subjects of the ruler are still free. Just like in our society. U can't just do anything u please.
Societies are obliged to have moral laws. No law =anarchy & chaos.
@lordsong7 "Societies are obliged to have moral laws. No law =anarchy & chaos."
The point being that free societies choose our own laws , not have them imposed , in your case by God , although the evidence that this is the case is lacking (but thats another argument) It would appear that the Xian world is a bit like North Korea , where the Dear Leader who demands praise must be obeyed or else
@ilikezappa There is evidence, its the question of you want to know truth, you should examine your heart. research Ron Wyatt and his discoveries. I went to the museum in Tenn.. I uploaded a video about it
@ilikezappa Unqualified by who? the world?, but qualified by the Grace of God and his faith in Christ. With God nothing is impossible. Also, for one man to find all these things, can not be done by a single person, but was done by a man that had faith and trusted God(YWEH, Jesus Christ).
Your argument has no merit since religion is a matter of belief, not tangible proofs. God asks his people to believe and offers to prove himself through the humble and contrite believer. There have been men such as this throughout history. Men accept or reject the notion of God based upon their willingness to come to terms with the fact that they are not their own master and will not control their own destiny.
(cont...) The truest proof of God exists in the voice of human conscience. It is that voice that causes atheists to militantly assault the notion that he exists as if they are trying to convince themselves. True disbelief creates indifference. Most atheists are not indifferent to God and religion, but seek to discredit and mock both. This alone is evidence of the existence of our deep seeded inner belief in a creator.
That does sound a bit feeble. Religious beliefs affect the political process , which affects me , an unbeliever , so it is kind of my business to challenge it . If all you can come up with is " its because you believe in God really that you say you dont"
@ilikezappa then go against those who are infringing upon your rights as a "non believer"....which should have nothing to do with trying to disprove God's existence and mock those who have faith in Creator....if it's politics that concerns you, then so be it and rightfully so...separation of church and state and all that it implies....but dismissing faith as "wishful thinking" just makes it seem like you've got this huge chip on your shoulder with God...I'm just saying
@CiDRoX1 That would be absurd , since I don`t believe in him .
My asessment that faith is wishful thinking , i.e. believing you will live forever when you can demonstrate no evidence that this might be the case , and the scientific evidence is clearly against you , seems to be bang on the money .
@ilikezappa but this is what I don't get..."the scientific evidence is clearly against you"....how certain are you of that?...and don't scientists say that they could all be wrong anyway?...you don't believe in God because you don't want to....and that's ok...I'm not here to argue with you on that....I can't deal with cussing and being rude to folks on Youtube....it's extremely tacky and uneducated....
Yet "Only in Atheism does the spring rise higher than the source, the effect exist without the cause, life come from a stone, blood from a turnip, a silk purse from a sow's ear, a Beethoven Symphony or a Bach Fugue from a kitten walking across the keys....."
Its not who or how many u can quote -the real question is, Is it true?
There u lose badly
Atheism is mere denial of reality with 0 logic & 0 evidence
"All living creatures have a language dummy" Yes , I have a pet python , but would be unlikely to allow her to convince me to eat a magic apple . Your dismissal of science in favour of cheesy mythology is appalling. Please dont talk about evidence when your worldview dismisses it in such a cavalier fashion.
@lordsong7 No , shan`t read your blog because everytime you post you just call me names . Would prefer to debate someone that wasnt so offensive . (Or dull. Quoting 17th Century scientists who believed in God -surprise ! ) Or lumping together all atheists as being the same. Is that because you are Canadian and only ever met 6 people ? Pity , I tried to like you
@lordsong7 No , I just think you are a twat and find no pleasure in reading your muddled and dreary ideas . I can take lots of abuse if it is creative
and interesting , but the boring stuff? why bother ? see ya
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. * As quoted in What Great Men Think About Religion (1945) by Ira D. Cardiff, p. 342;
No original source for this has been found in the works of Seneca, or published translations
@lordsong7 Ok , sorry about Seneca . Can you tell me the source for the geological evidence of a global flood , as there appears to be no credible scientific journal that supports it ?
@ilikezappa...but what I'm trying to ask you, ilikezappa, is what would you do if all your faith in the plausibilities of scientific facts and speculation failed you?...and I'm not mocking you by using the word "faith"...I'm just using the term as a means to say that you believe in science, it's facts, formulas, equations, and answers to your questions.
@CiDRoX1 I will have to let you know CiD . Probably embrace some weird cult I suppose. Science is merely a mechanism to offer naturalistic explanations to observed phenomena , but it does have a good track record in objectivity . If you abandon that , then what ? Anything goes that feels good ?
@ilikezappa join a cult??...not very wise...and what about the idea that science can prove the existence of a Creator?...what are your thoughts on that?...what if God set the course for evolution, the cosmos, the world as we know it....do you think that could be an acceptable scientific possibility?...and faith is not a "feel good" emotion....it's believing, whether or not things are going good in life....
@CiDRoX1 I Hey , I only bully people who deserve it , like speccy geeks or people with disabilities. Dont be too hard on me. I sometimes try to defend beautiful science from assaults by barbarians like Christian fundies. This is the noble path of righteousness and I shall continue to strike out at the repressed forces of ignorance masquerading as spiritual teachers.
@CiDRoX1 Can Science prove the existence of a creator ? Good question bro .
So far we see no tangible evidence of one . Your "first cause" idea is outside the realm of science , although some scientists are comfortable with the idea .
It is only when religious people offer challenges to the scientific consensus , such as claiming that there was a global flood , or that the Earth is only 3 days old etc that they fall flat on their faces , because the science that underpins their idea is such crap .
The exact same thing can be said about atheism. It's without evidence and highly implausible. You DO have a busy time, my friend. Busy trying to justify your own beliefs as true.
This convicted me so much when I read it a few years ago, and I am so grateful to the Lord for that atheist - we can but hope that he was convicted by the Lord for salvation, because I would like love to meet him in heaven :)
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AbaloneKid 5 months ago
I am not wasting what's left of this short life on religion - either by participation in it or fighting it - in the remote chance that something that comes after may be impacted by my ignoring the praise and ritual.
I would rather spend time helping people than praying for them.
I would like to make this world better - at least we know we have this one.
I HAVE read the bible - it really did inspire me - to stop wasting time.
rdvqc 6 months ago
@rdvqc I think the only thing for you to do then is get out there and put your words into action. See how many people you can change, see how many people you can "better" without the Holy Spirit involved. It will be the only way to open your eyes to the greater Truth of this life. God loves you. I will pray for you, even though I don't even know your name...God does.
WilliamTyndale1 4 months ago
The reported ressurection of Christ is not enough to believe in an invisible spirit world that controls everything , complete with torture chamber for bad people who dare to have the wrong opinion. If you believe that , you should also believe that Elvis is alive and well , as more people claim to have seen him. The Bible is wrong about many things , which is not surprising as it was written in an age where people didn`t know shit.
ilikezappa 11 months ago
As for vegetarian T Rex`s . OMG Did they play hymns on Noah`s piano with those cute little arms? Dear God , thankyou for my massive incisor teeth . I know they are only any good for rending and tearing flesh and have "Carnivore" written on them in giant letters , and make this lentil soup a bit tricky , but it should fool those stupid scientists who think they are smart. The only people who can figure it out will be the mono eyebrowed swamp dwellers from America
ilikezappa 11 months ago
I receive your love in good faith and thank you for it kind sir. I am sorry to hear that you do not believe me, however I'd like to make one final statement to clear up my viewpoint so there is no misunderstanding between us; I do not believe scientists are stupid, it is very obvious I believe that one must be intelligent to be an accomplished scientist. That is all, peace
Sworbertson 1 year ago
Dude, you gotta let go of all your preconceived notions about Christianity. I was a Darwin atheist, but then the spirit of the Lord came upon me, I dunno how to reconcile the Bible with Science, but I know Jesus is real and so do alot of other people, you just find most of them in China or third world countries. You can believe me or not, I'm just spreading the word.
Sworbertson 1 year ago
@Sworbertson Jesus was real , probably , but the supernatural beliefs about him are pure baloney. You can`t reconcile the Bible with science honestly , so you would be well advised to stick to the method which considers the evidence. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old , evolution is a fact and Leonard Ravenhill is a sweet old man who talks bollocks. Sent to you with love from my computer , which wouldn`t work if those nice scientists were as stupid as you think.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa Oh, and I return the love to you in prayer
Sworbertson 1 year ago
@ilikezappa oh and the "...are stupid, it is very obvious I believe that one must be intelligent to be an ..." should rather be "...are stupid, it is very obvious, I believe, that one must be intelligent to be an ..." so there is no further misunderstanding. K, peace for real, haha.
Sworbertson 1 year ago
You are going to have an uphill struggle trying to support Noah`s Ark and claiming any respect for the evidence . It is just a cute story from our ignorant past ,which has to be propped up by a small minority of Christians who take the Bible literally , however ridiculous the assertion. Ps "part of Mexico" typo Have a good weekend SW and watch some DNA programs if you have time bro
ilikezappa 1 year ago
The atheist, of course, does not realize the challenge of a Christian life for he thinks he sins out of mere choice not habit, yet the casual Christian is often so blinded by his sin that he has lost the clarity of thought a godless atheist has in matters he does not even know.
Brothers in Christ, do renew your mind (rom12:1-2), learn to LOVE God, to LOVE Christ, to LOVE the church - for that is all you'll ever have! And then live - not for yourselves, but for the eternal Glory of the LORD! :)
ipeklofijs 1 year ago
@ipeklofijs
Most atheists don't actually believe in sin either, so your idea is sunk right there.
berniebay 1 year ago
@berniebay I must confess I used to believe in calvinism. I used to think that sin is inevitable. But now I realize that we choose to sin - nobody forces us. An that is exactly why "atheists" pretend that there is no God - they just love sin more than life.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago
@ipeklofijs
Are you kidding me?
An Atheist does not believe in gods because there is not enough evidence to support such a claim. I'm sorry to phrase it like this, but saying an Atheist pretends not to believe in god just so he.she can sin more is flat out stupid.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay The "problem" is that God is absolutely obvious. Your own conscience bears witness to His laws. And you are a liar. The atheist just wants God to be a created being, not the Creator, who makes His commands absolutely clear to everyone. So you're trying to substitute a made-up god for the Real. That makes it easier for you to ignore Him. And you're not alone! Many "Christians" do the same. All sinners want God not to exist. Only those who commit their lives to following Christ submit.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago
@ipeklofijs
God is not obvious.
stop spouting this ridiculous nonsense you were taught. There is no actual evidence for any type of god, and that's why I'm an Atheist. Sure, there may be a few who are trying to fool themselves. They actually do believe but don't want to.
But, you can't generalize a whole group based upon a few. I, personally, don't believe in any gods because there isn't sufficient evidence for their existence.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay See, you're trying to force God into your intellect. You won't ever succeed. He is a person and can only really be known as such. I know Him. I met Him. Like many others.
BTW, there isn't sufficient evidence that you exist as a person. The fact that you weep or laugh does no more prove your reality than conscience proves God.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago
@ipeklofijs
You're personal experience is not justification for me. I'd need to have one and as of yet, I haven't had one.
Sure there is. I can interact with my surroundings. I can be measured. I can be weighed, I manifest in reality. The laws of physics act upon my. That's what evidence is. A measurement of how something manifests in reality.
If it doesn't manifest in reality then it doesn't exist in reality. If it does manifest but can't be measured, how can we know it actually manifests?
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay WOW, you don't mean to say that you seriously think that only measurable things exist !? Does logic exist? Does imagination? Does love? Or persons - real persons, not just bio-chemical robots, manifested strictly bodily?
Please, don't fool yourself! God is real, and you DO know Him like you know that there is a beggar next to you on the street begging for money, yet you ignore Him. So God is pleading with your conscience to love and forsake sin - yet you choose to ignore His call.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago
@ipeklofijs
We can measure brain waves. Logic is merely a label we put on a process of the brain. Imagination, love, all concepts are parts of the brain. And the brain is measurable. Minds are a property of the brain.
No, I don't know god exists. Besides, which of the thousands of gods are you talking about? Everything you said so far can apply for every single god that ever existed. Thor, Wotan, Zeus, Baal, Yahweh, Jesus, Vishnu, Rama, the Great Green Arkleseizure, Brahma. Take your pick.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay It is actually quite sad that Dawkins is your idol :(
It is no use going into a philosophical debate as God is real, not conceptual. But I just want to point three things out: first, reducing something to an aspect of it's manifestation doesn't in it's reality limit it to that (e.g., you're not your shadow). Second, God is aboslute (not created). Third, you're just trying to justify your sin (and death). That's it.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago
@ipeklofijs
Dawkins is my idol? What the hell are you talking about? I've never even read one of his books.
If you're going to stand by the idea that all atheists actually do believe, but just want to sin, then I'm done here. You're clearly not willing to change your mind and realize that some people just don't buy these claims.
berniebay 11 months ago
@berniebay You used one of the sillyest arguments of Dawkins. Well, but your cult exchanges examples anyway. Sad that you don't recognize that atheism is in itself a religion, often actually submitting to some other religious notion, not called "god" per se, but rather worshiping creation. Otherwise you'd just be plain suicidal-nihilistic. But that takes consistency and some courage.
And, sure, you "don't buy" God, as I don't buy sin. I know sin exists, but I don't value it worthy to submit to.
ipeklofijs 11 months ago 2
@berniebay Dawkins, your idol?! 1st Corinthians chapter 6v9 says; "No idolater will inherit the kingdom of GOD"
Repent and believe the gospel...
EXALTEDDIRT 6 months ago
@EXALTEDDIRT
LOL
berniebay 6 months ago
I like Ravenhill's preaching, but as an atheists, this is pretty weak. I was actually looking forward to a challenge. I guess being a nihilist doesn't allow such things to touch. I don't believe in those absolutes like other atheists do.
AirplaneRadio 1 year ago
As Chateaubriand said (and Dostoevsky has Ivan grapple with in The Brothers karamazov); religion does not come from morality but morality from religion. If there is no belief in the after life, there is no reason for humans to love one another.
I think there is no better teacher on youtube than Derek Prince.
BrookHornblower 1 year ago
@BrookHornblower If your only reason for humans to love each other is because you desire a heavenly reward , then there is no such thing as altruism and you are ultimately selfish .Morality predates religion. This can be clearly shown by anthropologists. Religion is merely organised belief in mythology , based on dogma , without any respect for evidence. Mr Ravenhill seems like a nice old man , who believes in fairies, like most pastors.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa The bottom line is this:
If this is truly your only life, and there is no afterlife, then why even help others?
If this is truly your one time to live and truly be alive, then why even care for anyone but yourself?
If this is your 1 shot to do anything you want, then why do anything anyone else wants you to?
If there is no afterlife, and you are dead after about 80 years, then why spend any time doing anything that doesn't profit your own being?
I see that you are someone who likes
sedon99 1 year ago
@sedon99 They are all good questions Mr Sedon. I help other people because I want to leave the world behind a little better off for my being here. Altruism , if ultimately pointless , seems better than eating my neighbours.
It is only YOUR opinion that morality comes from God , based on some shaky evidence. I prefer to think that mankind can shape its own destiny ,and that we are not miserable sheep in need of a Father Substitute with questionable character flaws .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
It should be apparent that morality is demonstrably relative from ,not only looking at all the different cultures in the world , but talking to your Christian buddies , some of whom think God punishes Homos , and some of whom think He thinks they are ok. Some think He blesses our troops , and some think He commands us not to kill. etc etc
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa to think about things so think on these.
Also if morality isn't based on Christianity, then how can there be a standard? If morality doesn't have a starting point from a divine Creator, then how is it anything but relative? You can declare "Murder is wrong!", but it'll never be anything than your opinion if it didn't originate from an all-knowing God who first stated such a thing. The fact of the matter is, Morality is indeed absolute, and does indeed have a starting point, God.
sedon99 1 year ago
@sedon99 "Murder is wrong " is indeed , only my opinion . It is an opinion shared by most people , because of cultural norms which , if viewed dispassionately, can be shown to have a Darwinian explanation for survival based on cooperation in a tribal environment. We dont , for instance have much problem with 100000 Iraqis being killed if we are told that we are being threatened ( by our shitty leaders)
ilikezappa 1 year ago
"Michael Bolton is evil " seems to be a universal truth , and evidence that God hates us, by letting him live whilst taking Stevie Ray Vaughan from us.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa Ravenhill has the witness of the Spirit, not found by most, or perhaps any, of the previous Christians you've come across. He KNOWS Jesus, not by faith, but by repeated revelation and the reality of his walk with Him. This is not mythology or superstition or ancient mans attempt to explain unknown phenomenon. Most Christians in America today think they believe, but they don't, while a few, such as Ravenhill, pray for them.
Sworbertson 1 year ago
@Sworbertson Some people feel that about Elvis. Just because you are CERTAIN that you have an invisible friend , does not make it the truth.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa All people must discern truth from their experiences, if an invisible friend can manifest themselves in supernatural ways, its a safe bet that they probably exist.
Sworbertson 1 year ago
@Sworbertson Truth is best established by objectively considering evidence in my humble opinion. This is why , even though some people vehemently believe that Noah`s Ark was real , the truth is , based on the evidence we have , is that they are wrong.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa Why would there be evidence for a wooden boat built over 6000 years ago? You have to come to God by faith. He's an invisible God, there's not usually going to be evidence initially. In order to interact with him, you have to first assume he exists, then he'll start growing your faith in him by directing you to do things that'd seem risky if you start to assume he doesn't exist. The more your trust grows, the more he'll grow you. That's just the way he is, sorry bro.
Sworbertson 1 year ago
@Sworbertson Well , there could well be no evidence for a wooden boat , but there is also no evidence for a global flood and the evidence that modern species evolved over millions of years is overwhelming. The geographical distribution of modern species gives great weight to the idea that species adapted to their environment. Caveworms that you only find in one of part Mexico did not crawl there from the Middle East
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa what? science has proved there was a flood what are u talking about and they foundf noah's ark up on one of the highest moutnains, research it before u talk lol Christ is real and so is the bible
dante1613 11 months ago
@dante1613 No global flood supported by science. Absolutely in contrast to the geological record . Noah`s Ark ? You dont think that was anything more than a cute story? Where did he get the Kangaroos from? FedEX?
Suggest you put the Bible down and study some science ( The real kind , not what "Dr" ah ha ha ha ha Hovind tries to sell you .)
ilikezappa 11 months ago
@ilikezappa did u read anything i said idiot, they found noah's ark its not a fairy tle its on a mountain go look it up its the exact sizer it says in the bible its a real boat, and the flood is what put it on that high mountain morabn, u have a religion and its sinning, following satan to hell
dante1613 11 months ago
@dante1613 Horseshit . There are over a million different species of animal on Planet Earth , most of which need specialised environments and diet to survive. You are telling me an 800 year old man and a few of his buddies could have pulled that off . How did he keep the Polar bears cool ? Oh , God did it , I see. Just because a boat was found on a mountain doesn`t mean shit. Sorry dante but the facts have spoiled that cute story.
ilikezappa 11 months ago
@dante1613 Why are there certain types of worms only found in caves in mexico ? Did they all slither there when Noah had finished with them . C`mon boys , I know where we can go ... All the penguins decided to waddle across the desert to Antartica? In other words , the geographical distribution of modern species means that if you believe in Noahs Ark , you are advertising to anyone who gives a shit what a dribbling retard you are.
ilikezappa 11 months ago
@dante1613 PS I liked your boxing video. You have plenty of onions , which is the most important thing , but work on your guard because a good counter puncher will get you if you just swing like you did.
I will box you !
ilikezappa 11 months ago
@ilikezappa where do u live. i have plenty of what?
dante1613 11 months ago
@dante161 Onions is another word for balls. fighting spirit in other words. You can have the best technical skill in the world but if you dont have a fighters heart you can`t be a good boxer. It is 99 percent of the game.
I live in England so no chance of a match. I am a light heavyweight but getting old now. I will have to spar with you about religion ! I will be Tyson , you can be Danny DeVito.
Peace ILZ
ilikezappa 11 months ago
@ilikezappa oh i see, na i dont talk religion because religion can mean anything u can be religious about food, but ill talk about the living God and how Jesus died and rose again to prove himself as God because it was recorded in the bible witgh credicble witnesses and if that aint true then no history book is true, the bible is fufilling prophecies right now like the tghird temple being rebuilt it was prophesied 2000 years ago abd the middle east peace treaty and the way the world would worsn
dante1613 11 months ago
Atheists are moral parasites.
Having "no ultimate foundations for ethics" they must borrow moral values from religion. Yet they, being willfully blind to reality, cannot even see that much.
Alvin Plantinga wrote "Naturalism Defeated" - its available on the web and is a decent refutation of atheism's obligatory naturalism (materialism)
There is also CS Lewis "The Abolition of Man" which is utterly ruinous to atheism's inane pretenses and complete absence of reason
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 That is silly Lordsong Morality predates religion , any anthropologist will tell you that .
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
1) Wrong. Any anthropologist? Gee one of my good friends is an anthropologist and he disagrees with your "silly" statement
2) Your definition of religion is faulty
-religion "is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" - wikipedia
Men have always had beliefs and morals -thats the essence of "religion"
Call it metaphysics if u please; atheists are void of any "ultimate foundations for ethics" & thus must borrow from others
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 No offence , but did he get his Degree from one of those Bible Colleges ? The same one the gave Kent Hovind his "PhD"?
( Kent`s dissertation starts with the word "Hello") ho ho
Apes have codes of appropriate behaviour , and religion must have post dated the spoken word . I suppose it depends on your definitions
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
No offence but he got his degree from a secular university.
It certainly does depend on definitions.
What is appropriate behavior?
Where does the concept of appropriate behavior come from?
"The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike"
"If naturalism were true then all thoughts whatever would be wholly the result of irrational causes...it cuts its own throat."
Atheism is an inane denial of reality.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Appropriate behaviour? depends on your view . There are some plausible Darwinian explanations for tribal cooperation aiding survival. We see some cultural uniformity ( dont murder babies etc) and some disparity. Morality is relative , even among religious people.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Relative? Totally wrong. When is it morally "right" to rape children?
If morals are relative then they are purely subjective and its nothing but one opinion vs another. Meaning Hitler was as "right" as anyone else
If there are no objective moral values, there are no real values at all.
Plausible? Wish u were kidding
They are all "just-so" stories invented from A-Z & based on mere imagination.
Read CS Lewis, "The Abolition of Man" -its now on line
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Child Rape ? In my opinion never , but many Catholic priests think it is just dandy . Lots of Nazi party members thought Hitler was the beans , and "God " was with them . We make our own values Lordy , although you obviously disagree because you have selected the Christian God to believe in .
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Never? Why never?
Atheists have no ultimate foundation for such at all
As for priests and Hitler - so? Whats the point? That some people choose to be evil bastards while claiming something about God?
If so u waste ur time as that is moot and irrelevant
The question is not what some people do or not but *why* something is inherently wrong
If there is no God, and thus no ultimate moral Law, then nothing is either right or wrong -ever.
Try to prove otherwise please
lordsong7 1 year ago
My opinion is that Evolution is a scientific fact which underpins modern biology.
I have heard many of the arguments against it from the dismal ones from folks who are quite happy with the magic apple idea ,to the intelligent refutations which dont stand up to scrutiny, so , unless you have anything new I dont really want to get into that.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Ur or my opinion are irrelevant
Like I said, the only thing that matters is- Is it true?
There are so many multiple problems and contradictions in Darwinian evol its ridiculous
There is NO explanation as yet to the origin of DNA
Yet DNA is an instruction book
It contains encoded algorithmic information
There is no such thing as code without intelligence since intelligence is intrinsically implied in the very word "code"
Again, do the math
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 The only thing that matters - is it true ? ,you say.
I would suggest that the best method for establishing truth is the one that takes a systematic look at the evidence , and tests it objectively. The scientific method is surely the best way of establishing , say , the age of the Earth. What is your view Lordy ? How old is the Earth ?
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
FYI -The original scientific method was invented by creationists
How old is earth? If u believe anyone knows anything like a precise answer to that u are deceived; and I dont care how old it is
Your little side-step here is salient
Again FYI, using the scientific method on the evidence leads to a belief that there is far more to existence than matter and energy as blind atheists believe
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Well , we have some pretty good evidence that it is approx 4.5 billion years old , based on the concurrence of several different measurements. We know damn well that it is not a few thousand years old , as ( and you may or may not be included) some Christians believe.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
So?
I said that point is moot and I'm not interested in getting long useless discussions on the faults with current radio isotope dating assumptions and math.
Now Iamy, prove there is no god.
Prove at least that there is no evidence.
Good luck, ur gonna need more probabilistic resources than the universe provides.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Prove there is no God ? Better men than I have tried .Not possible.
Prove that the Bible is demonstrably wrong about lots of stuff . Easy , but some respect for the scientific method is required. The point about the age of the Earth is not moot , unless you dispute the scientific consensus on the basis that your religion provides a better idea , in which case it is quite relevant
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
I would suggest that as someone , who , presumably , makes the claim that Jehovah is real and an invisible spirit world exists that controls all our lives , and we will cheat death and go to another realm if we pledge our allegience to a dead jew who was his own father , the onus of proof is on you ,sir , as someone who makes these detailed assertions
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
U present much intellectual poverty Iamy
far more so than your pretentious pseudonym implies
but as usual ur wrong
u claim there is no supreme being but u admit of no proof or even evidence
U admit u have no evidence against theism
YET here u are making bold but vacuous assertions based on the most idiotic and saliently false views of God possible
Ur idea of god fits your own image maybe?
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Nice strawman Lordy . I said that the existence of God cannot be absolutely disproven , the same as you cannot disprove the flying spaghetti monster.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
U obviously don't know what a strawman is
So one cant disprove the FSM? LOL
Let me show u
-Spaghetti is a man made artifact.
We know what its made of
We know how to make it
We know it doesn't fly
We know its origin
The only evidence that exist for a FSM version s in an Italian restaurant where a food fight takes place - OR, in the imaginations of inane drone atheists who reason very badly, yet think themselves smart
lordsong7 1 year ago
Spaghetti monster ? Well we know spaghetti cant fly , the same as we know a man cant walk on water . It would have to have supernatural powers , such as the ones you presumably cite for Jesus . The Spaghetti monster is a God remember . Please dont use the word evidence when you have trouble with that concept.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
ROTFLMAO
ur answers are really getting worse and worse
Are u a member of the Worrell family or what? Sure seems like it.
lordsong7 1 year ago
All the claims I am aware of that God exists ( anthropic principle , Kelems cosmological blah blah - one of your Dr Craigs faves , have been refuted . As for ID proponents , pardon me but their only purpose is to give real scientists belly laughs. Suggest you watch thunderfoots excellent trashing , or ask the dover school board when they dare to come out in public again ah ha ha ha
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
Have you been to the creation museum and seen the little exhibit of the cavemen kids playing with their little dino pals ? You will have to get up early in the morning if you want people to take that kind of crass cretinism seriously. Creationism my intellectually lacking ass lordy.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
By the way , you are a little lacking in manners dude . I think ILZ (who is wickedly funny and sharp as a pin ) pointed that out . Is there any need to steamroller your schoolroom psychology over people when they are just swapping philosophy with you ?
I will tell your momma .
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
He u go again, inanely bringing up irrelevant arguments
Apparently with urself since I never did
U can't even stick to the topic at hand w/o posting ur habitual garbage about what the bible or some creationist says
Real scientists?
ROTFL AGAIN!
U mean like Charles Townes, Charles Thaxton, Richard Sternberg, Albert EINSTEIN, Max PLANCK, Erwin SCHROEDINGER, Werner HEISENBERG
& a few 1000s of others I could list
All of whom were (or are) Theists or Deists
U lose Lordy
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 I am better looking than him vern.
ps I am an old fart , what does ROTFL mean ?
reading the old testament for a laugh?
rolling out the fatuous lies ?
talk when I am sober ( tomorrow)
x
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
rotfl? jfgi old fart
yes, u are full of hot air
manners?
Its ironic when atheist mockers insult all who see through their stupidities, start talking about manners!
The topic (top) was that atheists are moral parasites because they've no ultimate foundations for any moral values at all
And here, u the parasite atheist, whines of the 1 who points 2 ur moral bankruptcy?
U insult creationists right and left but can't it back at all -pitiful
Get out of the kitchen
lordsong7 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Refuted? Only in ur imagination
Newton was an ID proponent, so were most of the other great scientists
Ur getting lame and lamer with each response Lordy
Foolish and revealing that u bring up Dover
Suggest you go to my blog and weep as all ur lame arguments are torn apart
Look up borne at wordpress or prophet9 on blogspot
"The atheists are for the most part imprudent and misguided scholars who reason badly ..." - Voltaire
At least he got that right
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Newton probably thought that boils were caused by impure thoughts and that keeping slaves was fine. He was deeply into the occult . Citing 17th century Scientists as somehow giving credibility to creationism is unworthy of you . (Especially as you are throwing the word lame around) Like a flat Earther quoting Plato ."He thought the Earth wus flat and he wus real smart"
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Oh my Newton has no credibility today? Gee I didn't know that the passage of time invalidates facts
How about some 20th and 21st century scientists?
A.E Wilder Smith maybe? (3 Phds),"Charles Townes, Charles Thaxton, Richard Sternberg, Albert EINSTEIN, Max PLANCK, Erwin SCHROEDINGER, Werner HEISENBERG & a few 1000s of others I could list maybe?"
go ahead change the subject ... again ...
I'm not interested in rebutting ur persistent escape tactics
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 His physics is relevant , his views on religion are like you , discredited
Religious fanatics always quote mine Einstein. Look up "Metaphor"
Have anything original ?
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
U are incredibly dull - I didn't quote einstein
The only fanatics around here are u feeble minded atheist hypocrites
discredited? one more time people rotflmao
u admit u cannot disprove God but u turn around and claim the theist is wrong?! Absolutely amazing
U havent given a single valid argument for anything I've asked, u avoid the subject, change the subject, mock and shit urself trying to make a small semblance of debate
I'd say Get lost, but u already are
EOF
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 If I am so dull , why are you getting your knickers in such a twist , with your implausible guff about invisible spirits , magic apples and talking snakes ?
Touched a nerve lordy ? I can see the veins on your head bulging !
Lets just breath ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
YARCW
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
u dim wit, who said anything of magic apples, ... ?
lets just breath? Duh, learn to spell maybe & maybe someday someone will take u seriously.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 you can not prove gos is not real, it is you who need to prove he is real
bjam89 1 year ago
@bjam89
gee I dont know who or what 'gos' is.
As for God, everything that exists can be used as a starting point to infer God's existence.
Unfortunately, 4 u, nothing that exists can be used to prove there is no God.
So where does that leave atheists?
With nothing better than blind faith & hope there is no God -with all the other atheist blind followers of the blind; all happily, belching, lying to themselves and farting their miserable selfish lives on their way to hell.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 are you using Pascal's Wager on me? cos you know there is plenty of mythologies that an say the same as yours do, show me proof that your god is the one true god, what if Allah is the right one then guess what see you in hell if that is the truth
bjam89 1 year ago
@bjam89
Did I say I was using Pascals wager? No.
I was declaring a simple fact.
Allah? The moon god? The one that married the sun and had children?
ROTFL!
Atheism sucks
Atheism means that all things were made from nothing, for no purpose & are going to eternal oblivion
ie Its an idea that means nothing matters & nothing ever has & never will matter
So why the hell are atheists such spectacular fanatics at fighting for a huge nothing?
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 you do know i laugh at your god with the contempt that you do with allah, atheism do not mean no god, it means we do not believe in any man made god, without an after life this finiate life is far more meaningfull then your everlasting one
as for why we fight, we fight for reason, to keep the dark ages away, to give children a mind to think with and not have wars over who has the more powerful magic friend
bjam89 1 year ago
@bjam89
ROTFLMHO
So now a finite meaningless life is more meaningful?!!
Why is it that 99% of atheists don't even understand the logical implications of their own position?
If atheism were true then there is no purpose to anything at all and all is heading to eternal oblivion - including u and all that u are and think u know
U fight for reason?
U don't get it - under atheism there is no real reason possible since reason is the random movement of non-rational processes
Duh!
lordsong7 1 year ago
Dark ages?
There was no 'dark ages'
Atheism itself is pure darkness for in it the universe has no meaning, no purpose and is destined to thermodynamic waste & eternal futility.
Atheists are moral parasites living off borrowed ethics since "there are no ultimate foundations for ethics".
Atheists have no reason for living other than their own bellies and vain pleasure seeking. If u had any honesty u would admit it.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 our morals comes from trying to be goo to others, we know there is no afterlife and that makes this life more meaningful cos it is the only one we got we live on in the memories of others and then we are but rotting meat as for why it is more meaningful, eternal life is a joke you would grow mad if you could even think of what that really meant as for dark ages there was one, we are 1000 year behind what we should be in tech thanks to your religion
bjam89 1 year ago
@bjam89
Wrong. The moral sense is innate - u can't get rid of it
U *know* there is no afterlife?! Thats funny!
Can u prove it? No of course not
Under atheism u are already rotting meat since u r nothing but a pack of neurons with zero meaning
There is no meaning to life in atheism
1000 years from now no 1 will know who u were & no one will care & in atheism when the universe dies all will be meaningless
1000 years behind? ROTFLMAO!
Modern science was founded by creationists u nitwit!
Loser
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 listen i sent you the link showing why a finite life has meaning more so then a never ending one, so what if it was founded by your side, that has no meaning, burned of proof lies on the ones making the positive claims in this case you, and calling me a nitwit is kind of sad, i have no problems with people having faith in something so why do you have problem with people not thinking god is real, and if we are made like he wants us to be do not that mean he wanted me to be an atheist
bjam89 1 year ago
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 i feel sad for you and that is all i will say i got no problem with people having faith my problem is when they try to convert kids, stop science and missusing science and that is all i am gone say have a nice and logic filled day
bjam89 1 year ago
@bjam89
Gee, poor me some blind atheists feels sorry for me cause I can see and he has chosen not to?
Creationists invented the scientific method -almost all the greatest scientists in history were creationists
If u see ur neighbor was heading for a precipice & laughing all the way pretending to himself and preaching to others "there is no precipice", u might have the good sense to try and "convert" him
That ur here arguing for nothing (atheism) proves ur doing worse!
Atheist evangelism!
Sad
lordsong7 1 year ago
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@lordsong7 No , they feel sorry for you because you are a boring twat. God will forgive you , but probably avoid you in the bar.
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago 5
That would be the precipice that noone has ever witnessed , unknown to science , and featured only in the imagination of people who prefer the fables in an iron age book to what we actually observe. Foot down clyde !
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
I suggest u listen to William Lane Craigs debates with atheists on the existence of God and the evidence of the resurrection of Christ.
He always wins the debates
Just like ID scientists always win the public debates on Darwinism
U can pretend the contrary but thats just self deception and wishful thinking due to your inner psychological need to feel secure in your illogical and feckless world view
lordsong7 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
"Not possible"?
Then atheism is a looney toons position
The "bible iwrong"? Never even asked for that
I asked for proof there is no evidence of God. U can't do that either
Easy? ROTFL
I've heard that a few 1000 times before and not 1 antagonist has managed more than to get his ass kicked by facts -different topic
Not moot? Wrong
"Scientific consensus"? Ur kidding right?
If its consensus it isn't science and if its science, consensus has nothing to do with it
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 EVERYONE was a creationist in those days . The Church used to set fire to your nuts if you didnt toe the line . They probably still do in Alabama , they certainly do in Iran. Places where religion is deeply prevalent are usually bloody awful. It doesnt make the ridiculous claims of creationists correct Lordy !
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
You say I have an Anaemic view of God ? Well , I am confronted with a pretty dismal picture of the Christian one , who acts like some bad tempered old homophobe and chucks thunderbolts around in a rage . Didnt he drown everybody once because they pissed him off ? Nothing wrong with my iron levels Lordy . Judgement day ? dont think so......
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Freedom ? How can one be free if there is a law mandated by a god who cannot be challenged? That seems contradictory. Surely the Christian idea is a dictatorship , which can be interpreted as benevolent , or monsterous depending on your analysis?
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
U have a fundamental error here
Freedom "presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike"
The Xian idea is indeed a kind of dictatorship, but by a benevolent ruler. Yet the subjects of the ruler are still free. Just like in our society. U can't just do anything u please.
Societies are obliged to have moral laws. No law =anarchy & chaos.
Laws must have sanctions
Do the math
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 "Societies are obliged to have moral laws. No law =anarchy & chaos."
The point being that free societies choose our own laws , not have them imposed , in your case by God , although the evidence that this is the case is lacking (but thats another argument) It would appear that the Xian world is a bit like North Korea , where the Dear Leader who demands praise must be obeyed or else
IamTheLordGodJehovah 1 year ago
@IamTheLordGodJehovah
Free societies? LOL
show me one.
You live in a dream world if you think YOU choose laws
All law is imposed by governments -you were born under the law and u can't change any of them without enormous effort and $
-so stop fooling yourself
Btw, ur idea of "God" is pathetically anemic
In all of this u completely miss the point, or r u avoiding it?
W/o God there is no real foundation for moral values of any kind at all and so all law is always imposed by the mighty
lordsong7 1 year ago
Good job the claims of religion are without evidence and highly implausible
Otherwise I would have a busy time .
ilikezappa 2 years ago
@ilikezappa There is evidence, its the question of you want to know truth, you should examine your heart. research Ron Wyatt and his discoveries. I went to the museum in Tenn.. I uploaded a video about it
InfallibleProof 2 years ago
Ron Wyatt the unqualified "archeologist" that even Evangelists think is a head case ?
Noah`s Ark ? Do you know how impossible that whole story is ?
Please dont use the word evidence if you have no concept of what it means .
ilikezappa 2 years ago
@ilikezappa Unqualified by who? the world?, but qualified by the Grace of God and his faith in Christ. With God nothing is impossible. Also, for one man to find all these things, can not be done by a single person, but was done by a man that had faith and trusted God(YWEH, Jesus Christ).
Ye that have little faith...
InfallibleProof 2 years ago
@InfallibleProof
Well I tell you , I would prefer the man who carries out my eye surgery to be qualified by a worldly medical school.
" Its ok Ricky , I never studied this stuff , but I know Jesus loves me. Now , hold still......."
I think that "Worldly" qualifications are not to be dismissed so lightly.
By the way , have you read Kent Hovinds "PhD" dissertation ( from Bible truthology kolledge ) That ought to make you chuckle. It starts off " Hello"
arf arf
ilikezappa 2 years ago
Your argument has no merit since religion is a matter of belief, not tangible proofs. God asks his people to believe and offers to prove himself through the humble and contrite believer. There have been men such as this throughout history. Men accept or reject the notion of God based upon their willingness to come to terms with the fact that they are not their own master and will not control their own destiny.
edensflow 2 years ago 2
(cont...) The truest proof of God exists in the voice of human conscience. It is that voice that causes atheists to militantly assault the notion that he exists as if they are trying to convince themselves. True disbelief creates indifference. Most atheists are not indifferent to God and religion, but seek to discredit and mock both. This alone is evidence of the existence of our deep seeded inner belief in a creator.
edensflow 2 years ago 2
@edensflow
That does sound a bit feeble. Religious beliefs affect the political process , which affects me , an unbeliever , so it is kind of my business to challenge it . If all you can come up with is " its because you believe in God really that you say you dont"
Wishful thinking (which is the same as "Faith" )
ilikezappa 2 years ago
@ilikezappa then go against those who are infringing upon your rights as a "non believer"....which should have nothing to do with trying to disprove God's existence and mock those who have faith in Creator....if it's politics that concerns you, then so be it and rightfully so...separation of church and state and all that it implies....but dismissing faith as "wishful thinking" just makes it seem like you've got this huge chip on your shoulder with God...I'm just saying
CiDRoX1 1 year ago
@CiDRoX1 That would be absurd , since I don`t believe in him .
My asessment that faith is wishful thinking , i.e. believing you will live forever when you can demonstrate no evidence that this might be the case , and the scientific evidence is clearly against you , seems to be bang on the money .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa but this is what I don't get..."the scientific evidence is clearly against you"....how certain are you of that?...and don't scientists say that they could all be wrong anyway?...you don't believe in God because you don't want to....and that's ok...I'm not here to argue with you on that....I can't deal with cussing and being rude to folks on Youtube....it's extremely tacky and uneducated....
CiDRoX1 1 year ago
@CiDRoX1 Calling somebody tacky and uneducated isn`t rude ? ok......
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa yeah it is...being a cyber bully sucks...I stand by my statement
CiDRoX1 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
not when its true -as in your case
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 oh now the tears are coming ......
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
"tears", said the foolish ignoramus kid
Zappa huh? Gee lets see, he'd be 70 this year.
Dweezil, like his dad is an excellent musician. At least u'r trying.
"Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of understanding....." Plato
Looks like u'r pretty diseased and full of error.
"atheists are for the most part imprudent and misguided scholars who reason badly " -Voltaire
Gee that's u all over.
;-)
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7
Seneca the Younger 4 b.c.- 65 a.d. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Delos B. McKown The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike
you are partially redeemed by your assessment of messrs zappa , but still silly for believing in talking snakes
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
All living creatures have a language dummy
Yet "Only in Atheism does the spring rise higher than the source, the effect exist without the cause, life come from a stone, blood from a turnip, a silk purse from a sow's ear, a Beethoven Symphony or a Bach Fugue from a kitten walking across the keys....."
Its not who or how many u can quote -the real question is, Is it true?
There u lose badly
Atheism is mere denial of reality with 0 logic & 0 evidence
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 So you claim , so you claim , but your "Explanation" has very little meat on its bones . What caused God ? Logic ??????
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
Logic? Atheism has no explanation for the existence of logic or logical absolutes.
Logic is conceptual - its neither matter nor energy
Therefore metaphysical entities exist
Logic thus requires mind
Absolute logic requires an absolute mind
Call that mind God
lordsong7 1 year ago
"All living creatures have a language dummy" Yes , I have a pet python , but would be unlikely to allow her to convince me to eat a magic apple . Your dismissal of science in favour of cheesy mythology is appalling. Please dont talk about evidence when your worldview dismisses it in such a cavalier fashion.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
U truly lack both imagination and ability to deduce and imply -like most atheists
Dismissal of science? ROTFL
Thats ur domain but u seem too dull to see it
Creationists invented the "scientific method" so ur pathetic attempt here is ironic indeed!
Need a list of famous creationist scientists? Way too long to list here but
-Newton, Maxwell, Mendel, Copernicus, Kepler, Descartes, Boyle, Faraday ...
AE Wilder Smith (3 phds),..
U know nothing of the history of science or science!
lordsong7 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
Go read my blog - borne at wordpress
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 No , shan`t read your blog because everytime you post you just call me names . Would prefer to debate someone that wasnt so offensive . (Or dull. Quoting 17th Century scientists who believed in God -surprise ! ) Or lumping together all atheists as being the same. Is that because you are Canadian and only ever met 6 people ? Pity , I tried to like you
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
Ya right. Like i believe ur excuses
U won't read my blog cause ur afraid of someone showing u how utterly wrong u are
AE Wilder Smith? 17th cent.? ur even lamer than i thot!
U have zero evidence for what u believe & u aint honest enuff to research
U snicker & mock at believers and then complain when u get it back
Like 95% of atheists I've debated over the years (100s), u like to give it out but can't take anything back
Cant stand the heat? leave the kitchen
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 No , I just think you are a twat and find no pleasure in reading your muddled and dreary ideas . I can take lots of abuse if it is creative
and interesting , but the boring stuff? why bother ? see ya
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
Thank u
Confirms what I've said
lordsong7 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
names every time huh? so u can't count either?
Atheists are all the same - you stick yer heads in opaque bags and run around yelling "I see no evidence for God"?
Would make a great comedy show if it werent so serious
Then u incredibly claim ur unbelief is based on lack of evidence or God help u - science!
Berlinski's "Devils Delusion" speaks a lot of blind & dishonest people like u
Tried to like me?!?!
Oh please! u only like urself & those who please u
lordsong7 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. * As quoted in What Great Men Think About Religion (1945) by Ira D. Cardiff, p. 342;
No original source for this has been found in the works of Seneca, or published translations
U should have checked ur source
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Ok , sorry about Seneca . Can you tell me the source for the geological evidence of a global flood , as there appears to be no credible scientific journal that supports it ?
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa
If you had any sincerity at all you could find plenty of both historical & scientific evidence for that yourself.
But u won't because honesty is not part of your little mind games.
lordsong7 1 year ago
@lordsong7 Tacky and uneducated ! said the middle aged heavy metal fan ....
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa...but what I'm trying to ask you, ilikezappa, is what would you do if all your faith in the plausibilities of scientific facts and speculation failed you?...and I'm not mocking you by using the word "faith"...I'm just using the term as a means to say that you believe in science, it's facts, formulas, equations, and answers to your questions.
CiDRoX1 1 year ago
@CiDRoX1 I will have to let you know CiD . Probably embrace some weird cult I suppose. Science is merely a mechanism to offer naturalistic explanations to observed phenomena , but it does have a good track record in objectivity . If you abandon that , then what ? Anything goes that feels good ?
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@ilikezappa join a cult??...not very wise...and what about the idea that science can prove the existence of a Creator?...what are your thoughts on that?...what if God set the course for evolution, the cosmos, the world as we know it....do you think that could be an acceptable scientific possibility?...and faith is not a "feel good" emotion....it's believing, whether or not things are going good in life....
CiDRoX1 1 year ago
@CiDRoX1 I Hey , I only bully people who deserve it , like speccy geeks or people with disabilities. Dont be too hard on me. I sometimes try to defend beautiful science from assaults by barbarians like Christian fundies. This is the noble path of righteousness and I shall continue to strike out at the repressed forces of ignorance masquerading as spiritual teachers.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
@CiDRoX1 Can Science prove the existence of a creator ? Good question bro .
So far we see no tangible evidence of one . Your "first cause" idea is outside the realm of science , although some scientists are comfortable with the idea .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
It is only when religious people offer challenges to the scientific consensus , such as claiming that there was a global flood , or that the Earth is only 3 days old etc that they fall flat on their faces , because the science that underpins their idea is such crap .
ilikezappa 1 year ago
The exact same thing can be said about atheism. It's without evidence and highly implausible. You DO have a busy time, my friend. Busy trying to justify your own beliefs as true.
wheresmylife 2 years ago
This convicted me so much when I read it a few years ago, and I am so grateful to the Lord for that atheist - we can but hope that he was convicted by the Lord for salvation, because I would like love to meet him in heaven :)
Shinkansen91 2 years ago