@two45triox Why would I chamber a live round for practice? I would empty the weapon, do my dry fire practice, then reload the weapon for carry. The same situation occurs when going to the range. I don't shoot my carry ammo at the range... so once again the weapon gets unloaded, I shoot it at the range, it then gets reloaded with my carry ammo.
@Highjak86 I'm sorry but this is rather ignorant of you. Gun and ammo is made by two different manufacturers. They were obviously not designed for each other. Try finding ammo that works with your gun. My 1911's eat through hornady ammo like it's corned beef and biscuit. Try some golden sabres, or powr'ball ammo. Also, you shout shoot ~300 rounds of your CARRY AMMO to ensure it works, before you start carrying it! Now, if I were you, I would carry FMJ's, because they're working in your gun.
@TacticalTerrorizer You're going to call me ignorant? Everything you just stated has absolutely nothing to do with this video. This ammo ran fine through this 1911 with no problems at all. The only problem, as stated about 500 times already if you'd read the comments, is "bullet setback". Bullet setback is inherent to the ammo, not the firearm.
@TacticalTerrorizer Secondly, I never stated this ammo didn't work this firearm. It fired all ammo with no problems. Again, the problem was not inherent to the firearm. Third, where did anyone say anything about the number of rounds you should fire before carrying this ammo? Before carrying this ammo I went through about 50 rounds of this stuff. 300 rounds is a little excessive if you ask me... or anyone for that matter when the ammo is over $1 a round.
@TacticalTerrorizer Finally, this video is well over a year old and I don't even own this firearm anymore. Read the comments and description before posting. Suddenly I'm not the one sounding so "ignorant".
@two45triox right, like if someone is going to attack you, id love to see you have time to chamber a round before they do. no more dangerous than carrying a revolver.
Not a fan of Hornady ammo..... If its not bullet setback is bullets jumping their crimps in J-Frames. I've chosen to stay away from it completely. Everyone's experiences vary.
bULLET BACK, NOT UNCOMMON. hORNADY CRITICAL DITY AMMO HAS CHANNELURE TO HELP PREVENT THIS. SUGGEST ROTATING YOUR CFARRY AMMO INTO RANGE PRACTICE. DONT CARRY DUTY AMMO FOR 6 MOS.
It is completely normal, I will send you a video on the exact subject matter. You're not suppose to carry bullets in the chamber for six months, go to the range regularly, unload a clip of your self defense ammo, use training ammo for the rest of your range time, and then reload your self defense ammo. I will send the video now.
What I have done is that I put 1 or 2 bullets from the box I use for target practice, then fill the rest of the magazine with the Hornady...... I only switch out those two bullets with others of the same kind. That way my Hornady stays in the magazine undisturbed.
It is more expensive then reloading your own ammo but store bought ammo is more reliable and uniform than reloads because some of us make mistakes in reloading which could be costly when your life is on the line. Reloads for the range. Only bad thing about reloads is they will void your warranty and on my H&K I don't want to take a chance. Just my opinion...
Nooo, don't toss them, grab a towel, and a polygrip and grip the cartridge at the bottom surrounded by towel so you don't scratch it, then hit the polygrip near the cartridge to get it out
what I would just do man is don't chamber it from the magazine. Put a round directly in the chamber manually and drop the slide and then put your magazine in, that way theres no impact on the nose of the bullet. That's just what i'd do if I was having this problem. I love hornady and I've heard of some problems with the critical defense but would trust my life with it over half the other ammo out there.
don't throw them out. Just use a bullet removal hammer and re-seat the bullets and then put a lee factory crimp on them. Then, put a slight crimp on all your remaining bullets with a factory crimp die.
@KresTKroVee This is probably the best comment I've received yet. Too bad I threw them out a while ago. Ha. I'm not quite into reloading yet, but will be eventually. Thanks for the comment!
i have pushed the bullet in the casing with my 30-30 a couple times. i fired the 30-30 rounds anyways - though i am not sure if that is an unsafe practice.
@fistfullofitch yes it is unsafe. Think about it. When the bullet is set back into the case there is less room for the powder to burn... ie more pressure. More pressure can be bad. It can cause the case to fail or even destroy the firearm.
My two carry guns have external extractors, so I manually drop a round into the chamber and press on the back of the extractor (so that it can reach over the rim) as I ease the slide forward (this prevents extractor claw damage from closing the chamber on it). This isn't possible on every semi-auto, so it's a problem for some.
Im a police officer and that happens when you chamber and remove a round often like me every day i unload my weapon and load it again nothing wrong with the ammo its you.
Will happen with every round every brand if chambered enough. Best to shoot them at the range before the setback is that bad. I would not shoot that one that is that bad. Everything I've read about Hornady Personal Defense is great and had fed and shot fine through everything I have.
when you chamber, it does put significant pressure on the projectile. You do that enough times, and you get what you see there. They're not made to be chambered over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those wouldn't cause malfunction. Just keep fresh ammo, don't keep loading/unloading the same stuff. You've got top notch ammo, treat it as such.
As others have said, it's just bullet setback, which happens with most ammo eventually. Search for "Bullet Setback and Your Defensive Handgun" here on youtube, to watch a well informed video on the subject.
You never want to chamber the same round over and over. Any bullet that is continuously re-chambered can cause bullet setback. ANY ROUND! Never chamber the same round over and over again. There is nothing wrong with this ammo and its actually an excellent choice for compact guns and concealed carry use. The .380 Critical Defense round was especially impressive.
@JDW857 I dont understand why Hornady is such great ammo, I use Winchester Ranger HPs and they would work great, plus the Winchester is also made in an 45ACP HP round and is probably less than the Hornady ammo. Just my 2cents.
bullet setback is a pretty common thing especially when you rechamber it alot in a 1911... steep feed ramp has a little something to do with it, as well as the rubber on the tip of the bullet (will cause the bullet to contact the feedramp for a longer period of time due to the rubbers increased friction) a funny fact: i actually demolished one of my bullets to see if it would erase pencil.. and the worst part is that is does... seriously try it, and a graphing pencil eraser is identical.... lol
Bullets are set back in the casing due to being chambered multiple times, will happen with any ammo unless its crimped very tight with bullets that have a cannalure. This happens as chambering a round forces it against the feed ramp, putting pressure on the bullet itself.
Never shoot rounds that are set back, setback can cause overpressure failure of the ammo and gun, which would be bad.
I personally have a new box of that ammo, new hornady ammo has a cannalure and shouldn't set back as easily
You need to check to see if there crimped. im a professional gunsmith and reloader and i knw how this stuff works and iv carried this ammo for for 4 months and done alot of testing and they schould never do that. if they do use a bullet puller and reset them then use them
normal if you chamber a round over and over i can push the bullet into the casing I never chamber a round more then 5 times not sure but think around 10 time it well start to push back so keep it loaded or number your rounds and keep track when i hit 5 times it's a training round then hehe
Toss em what are you kidding me !!, get on the phone to hornady an let them know about the problem.You should at least get a free box of ammo.Hornady Critical Defense is the Primo self defense ammo on the market today. I don't leave home with out it.
This is what happens when you re-chamber any ammo over and over. This is not a Hornady issue, this is not an issue with the pistol, this is normal. Just like if you hit a nail over and over, the nail will sink into the wood. If you re-chamber a round over and over, the bullet will sink into the case.
just dont keep personal defense ammo for that long. sounds stupid but just fire them off after about a month or 2.reason? think about this..what if that round had failed internally and not externally and you needed to defend your life at any point during those 6 months? i would recommend you make sure you're chambering the same 2 rounds every time and fire those 2 off during practice
I had this same problem with some expensive ass defense rounds (don't remember the brand). To fix it I just started to drop the first round in the chamber by hand, haven't had a problem since.
They don't look crimped thought it may be a camera thing. The increased pressure from the projectile being seated deeper could be a major issue. email this video to Hornady, they will want to know the lot # and will probably make it right.
I have a 1911 in .45acp and I load my own ammo. I have never had any of my rounds do this because I always use a heavy crimp on my carry loads. Looks like these bullets just didn't get crimped well enough to withstand being carried/loaded/chambered. You should definately contact Hornady and tell them about this problem regardless of if you still have the rounds or not. It is a good idea NOT to shoot them though because the bullet being seated deeper can cause pressure problems!!
Corbon DPX in my Ruger LCP 380 does the same. I clean my gun every 2 to 3 weeks due to pocket carry. The messed up part is I went through my never carried ammo and found about 4 out of a box of 20 that were not crimped correctly. I found another 3 loose crimps in another box purchased almost a year apart from the first box. Corbon fixed the problem by explaining to me that I shouldn't be cleaning my gun and that they strive to make the best ammo possible. Really makes me think twice.
never seen that shit before... call hornady, wait never mind they will say the gun is the problem, so you call kimber, and they will say the ammo is the problem... nobody can ever fucking take the blame..
I've heard more problems with the .45 FTX then any other caliber their Critical Defense comes in. Did you send the round back to Hornady? The company loves constructive criticism.
@Migs4000 I never did send the ammo back. Seems more like a re-chambering issue than a Hornady issue. I carried and re-chambered those rounds in the front row a lot before noticing and making this vid.
I believe hornady has since added abrasion to the sides of the bullet to prevent this. I've carried critical defense in a glock 30. Never any bullet set-back.
The FTX bullets are crimped and are supposed to prevent setback. I guess that's bullshit. I'm glad you made this vid. I haven't paid really close attention to mine so far. Even those that are setback only slightly are going to be increased pressure. That could be a problem in many pistols.
Everyone who said bullet setback is correct, when you re-chamber ANY cartridge enough you'll get bullet setback. The best way to avoid it is to set aside one box that you specifically use for your chambered round, select one bullet from that box chamber it and then at the end of the day put that bullet into an empty box that you have designated to receive chambered rounds. repeat the process until with the whole box 2 or 3 times. After that, get a new box and shoot the old during practice
Set back is very common when you continue to chamber the same round time after time. It can happen with any brand. At least rotate the round you chamber......
Honestly Hornady is a good s/d design but... theres much better rounds out there for HALF the price as those expensive damb things. Personally (imo) the best of the best as of this moment is the ranger t-series... there 230gr (a plus in my book) and there whicked when it comes to penitration while still opening fully everytime. Only drag is winchester only sells them to law enforcement but there legal to own just hard to find. check out sgammo.com
Bullet set back. My RIA will do it to FMJ's that I re-chamber too much. Feed ramp polish and or different magazine with full follower may help, but it is not an uncommon issue.
Bullet setback for sure. Back in 2006 I noticed this happened to a RA45T from chambering it too often through a Wilson CQB. I'm actually transitioning to this round and will have a vid up shortly about it.
I've been carrying Hornady Critical Defense in my .380 pistols for 2 years and also in my .40 pistol for over a year. Have used the same bullets, chambered and unchambered with absolutely no problem. The only thing that comes to mind is when you're chambering a round, somehow the flextip hits something and is pushing back on the bullet itself. I don't use C.D. in my 1911, I use L.E rounds (Winchester Ranger T series), but I've also never had a problem with any ammunition recceeding like that.
Weird, I've always considered hornady critical defense to be well built and carry it in 9mm & .380 have you contacted hornady about this? There is no way those rounds are safe to fire in that condition.
I just ordered 500 rounds of this. I have NO worries about Hornady or the Critical Defense ammo. It is my belief that ANY auto round will show this behavior if you "rack" the same round time after time to verify that a round is in the chamber. I always drop a round in the chamber and never check to see if a round is in the chamber as I know there always is. I never, for any reason, change my routine therefore I know the weapon is ready for combat. It's all trusting your routine.
I had the same thing... Glock 30 - not only did I note the color on the jacket change but after about a 20 - 30 chamabering/presschecks it set back!!! .... I'm not happy at all... I'm writing to Hornady today.
You are right on not firing those rounds. When a bullet is set deeper than its recommended specified over all length, you will begin compressing the space the powder has to expand, and eventually compress the powder itself. You will have higher pressure and can destroy your gun and harm yourself. Over all length is measured to the .001" with a tolerance of +/-.005 so those are setback way too far to be safe in any pistol period +p or not. Looks like the culprit could be a bad crimp.
I have the same problem, not I do not chamber a round from the clip, I just put one in the pipe manually, and then put the clip in. I've shot Federal Hydra-Shok with this bullet set back, all I noticed was a little more pressure. If they are not +P loads, you should be fine.
@kingd3001 Setback is a result of repeated chambering of a round or chamber checking for a loaded round (pulling the slide back far enough to see the loaded round) and any brand of ammunition will eventually suffer setback.
@kingd3001 I would say its probably not a bad ammo choice as long as you don't do a lot of re-chambering of the rounds or you change your ammo out every couple months. I'm keeping the extra unused rounds for my second magazine.
that is bullett set back and it would be dangerous to shoot them i would advise you not to shoot them that can happen to any ammo if chambered enough....
@Blk05titan26 Bullet setback? Thanks, I'll have to do some reading on that. I'm definitely not going to shoot the rounds that are really bad. They'll get thrown away.
@Highjak86 Yep, bullet setback is very common issue. In fact, LAPD has a department rule where no round can be chambered more than twice if it's going to be your duty load.
Are you a cop? I can't imagine a scenario where someone would be chambering a load repeatedly for no reason..?
two45triox 1 week ago
@two45triox Dry fire practice, shooting at the range every weekend, etc. You don't have to be a cop to utilize your weapon.
Highjak86 1 week ago
@Highjak86 Well chambering a live round for "practice" is just poor technique, not sure where you learned that.
two45triox 1 week ago
@two45triox Why would I chamber a live round for practice? I would empty the weapon, do my dry fire practice, then reload the weapon for carry. The same situation occurs when going to the range. I don't shoot my carry ammo at the range... so once again the weapon gets unloaded, I shoot it at the range, it then gets reloaded with my carry ammo.
Highjak86 1 week ago
@two45triox When this gets done every other day that round sees a lot of action. Regardless this video is like a year old.
Highjak86 1 week ago
@Highjak86 I'm sorry but this is rather ignorant of you. Gun and ammo is made by two different manufacturers. They were obviously not designed for each other. Try finding ammo that works with your gun. My 1911's eat through hornady ammo like it's corned beef and biscuit. Try some golden sabres, or powr'ball ammo. Also, you shout shoot ~300 rounds of your CARRY AMMO to ensure it works, before you start carrying it! Now, if I were you, I would carry FMJ's, because they're working in your gun.
TacticalTerrorizer 1 week ago
@TacticalTerrorizer You're going to call me ignorant? Everything you just stated has absolutely nothing to do with this video. This ammo ran fine through this 1911 with no problems at all. The only problem, as stated about 500 times already if you'd read the comments, is "bullet setback". Bullet setback is inherent to the ammo, not the firearm.
Highjak86 1 week ago
@TacticalTerrorizer Secondly, I never stated this ammo didn't work this firearm. It fired all ammo with no problems. Again, the problem was not inherent to the firearm. Third, where did anyone say anything about the number of rounds you should fire before carrying this ammo? Before carrying this ammo I went through about 50 rounds of this stuff. 300 rounds is a little excessive if you ask me... or anyone for that matter when the ammo is over $1 a round.
Highjak86 1 week ago
@TacticalTerrorizer Finally, this video is well over a year old and I don't even own this firearm anymore. Read the comments and description before posting. Suddenly I'm not the one sounding so "ignorant".
Highjak86 1 week ago
@two45triox right, like if someone is going to attack you, id love to see you have time to chamber a round before they do. no more dangerous than carrying a revolver.
ahmartin1 1 week ago
@ahmartin1 Sure, if you're in a dangerous situation. Not just for the hell of it though.
two45triox 1 week ago
@two45triox yeah, i dont carry one in the hole regularly but if im going to a dangerous area i will
ahmartin1 1 week ago
@ahmartin1 There is so much wrong with this statement.
Highjak86 1 week ago
Not a fan of Hornady ammo..... If its not bullet setback is bullets jumping their crimps in J-Frames. I've chosen to stay away from it completely. Everyone's experiences vary.
pikemazter 1 week ago
bULLET BACK, NOT UNCOMMON. hORNADY CRITICAL DITY AMMO HAS CHANNELURE TO HELP PREVENT THIS. SUGGEST ROTATING YOUR CFARRY AMMO INTO RANGE PRACTICE. DONT CARRY DUTY AMMO FOR 6 MOS.
swabood 3 weeks ago
Hornady sucks. Their CD ammo never measures up to their claimed specs.
rogerpemberton 3 weeks ago
It is completely normal, I will send you a video on the exact subject matter. You're not suppose to carry bullets in the chamber for six months, go to the range regularly, unload a clip of your self defense ammo, use training ammo for the rest of your range time, and then reload your self defense ammo. I will send the video now.
igotjuice007 1 month ago
What I have done is that I put 1 or 2 bullets from the box I use for target practice, then fill the rest of the magazine with the Hornady...... I only switch out those two bullets with others of the same kind. That way my Hornady stays in the magazine undisturbed.
jcslady03 2 months ago
It is more expensive then reloading your own ammo but store bought ammo is more reliable and uniform than reloads because some of us make mistakes in reloading which could be costly when your life is on the line. Reloads for the range. Only bad thing about reloads is they will void your warranty and on my H&K I don't want to take a chance. Just my opinion...
thesloopyable 2 months ago
Nooo, don't toss them, grab a towel, and a polygrip and grip the cartridge at the bottom surrounded by towel so you don't scratch it, then hit the polygrip near the cartridge to get it out
VicariousReality7 2 months ago
what I would just do man is don't chamber it from the magazine. Put a round directly in the chamber manually and drop the slide and then put your magazine in, that way theres no impact on the nose of the bullet. That's just what i'd do if I was having this problem. I love hornady and I've heard of some problems with the critical defense but would trust my life with it over half the other ammo out there.
jweezyadig 2 months ago 3
don't throw them out. Just use a bullet removal hammer and re-seat the bullets and then put a lee factory crimp on them. Then, put a slight crimp on all your remaining bullets with a factory crimp die.
KresTKroVee 2 months ago 4
@KresTKroVee This is probably the best comment I've received yet. Too bad I threw them out a while ago. Ha. I'm not quite into reloading yet, but will be eventually. Thanks for the comment!
Highjak86 2 months ago
They should have clamp the case better.
5687678 3 months ago
I change my ammo ever year and replace it with fresh ammo.
ManGlock2011 3 months ago
No shit that's not right
OneNtheChamber310 3 months ago
i have pushed the bullet in the casing with my 30-30 a couple times. i fired the 30-30 rounds anyways - though i am not sure if that is an unsafe practice.
fistfullofitch 3 months ago
@fistfullofitch yes it is unsafe. Think about it. When the bullet is set back into the case there is less room for the powder to burn... ie more pressure. More pressure can be bad. It can cause the case to fail or even destroy the firearm.
ruffus6465 1 month ago
To prevent this.......TARGET PRACTICE!!! That way your ammo stays nice and fresh!
CBGOODMAN200A 3 months ago
dnt chamber the same round that will cause setback
blasterkido 3 months ago
I've had hydra shocks in my 1911 for YEARS and they look just about brand new
TopCityRockers 3 months ago
Great video man
I experienced the same thing with Remington home defense.
Looks like swap meet ammo
Weldah123 3 months ago
instead of throwing it away just reload it...
cwross1976 4 months ago
For the Record:
Us Wheel Gun shooters never have this problem
Muahahahah.
hammerogod 4 months ago
@hammerogod Yeah , You wheel gun shooters can't load 15 rounds like I can in my semi auto either!! Muahahahah.
rhcmlc 2 months ago
"Setback" happens.
Discard the ammo in a safe manner.
/watch?v=PC3wC3u5U60
/watch?v=iuYYnBYZqFI
No need to take a chance on questionable ammo.
hammerogod 4 months ago
My two carry guns have external extractors, so I manually drop a round into the chamber and press on the back of the extractor (so that it can reach over the rim) as I ease the slide forward (this prevents extractor claw damage from closing the chamber on it). This isn't possible on every semi-auto, so it's a problem for some.
Riflemanm16a2 4 months ago
Won't do that in a wheel gun!
gateman4 4 months ago
@gateman4 You also can't load 15 rounds in a wheel gun either!
rhcmlc 2 months ago
Im a police officer and that happens when you chamber and remove a round often like me every day i unload my weapon and load it again nothing wrong with the ammo its you.
069751 4 months ago
Set back increases the pressure in that round, with a little bad luck u loose a hand when u pull one off
TrippleTap45 4 months ago
Will happen with every round every brand if chambered enough. Best to shoot them at the range before the setback is that bad. I would not shoot that one that is that bad. Everything I've read about Hornady Personal Defense is great and had fed and shot fine through everything I have.
bigtank1982 5 months ago
just carry a golf club with you and call it a day.
SupremeAmerican 5 months ago
when you chamber, it does put significant pressure on the projectile. You do that enough times, and you get what you see there. They're not made to be chambered over and over. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of those wouldn't cause malfunction. Just keep fresh ammo, don't keep loading/unloading the same stuff. You've got top notch ammo, treat it as such.
2ndAmendmentable 5 months ago
As others have said, it's just bullet setback, which happens with most ammo eventually. Search for "Bullet Setback and Your Defensive Handgun" here on youtube, to watch a well informed video on the subject.
palerider1775 5 months ago
Same thing happened to my gold dots in 9mm. Never had it happen with my FTX though.
JathTech 6 months ago
You never want to chamber the same round over and over. Any bullet that is continuously re-chambered can cause bullet setback. ANY ROUND! Never chamber the same round over and over again. There is nothing wrong with this ammo and its actually an excellent choice for compact guns and concealed carry use. The .380 Critical Defense round was especially impressive.
Brent376 6 months ago
where is that extra "a" that everyone keeps putting in HORNADY?
JDW857 6 months ago 4
@JDW857 Haha. I know what ya mean. I've since broke this habit.
Highjak86 6 months ago
@JDW857 I dont understand why Hornady is such great ammo, I use Winchester Ranger HPs and they would work great, plus the Winchester is also made in an 45ACP HP round and is probably less than the Hornady ammo. Just my 2cents.
kro7991 4 months ago
Nevery had any problems carrying this ammo in my FNP45 and i think ive had the same 15 critical defence in there for a year and a half.
setherbater 6 months ago
toss em? eh... just shoot em. it's not like they are +p
Rustystud 6 months ago
bullet setback is a pretty common thing especially when you rechamber it alot in a 1911... steep feed ramp has a little something to do with it, as well as the rubber on the tip of the bullet (will cause the bullet to contact the feedramp for a longer period of time due to the rubbers increased friction) a funny fact: i actually demolished one of my bullets to see if it would erase pencil.. and the worst part is that is does... seriously try it, and a graphing pencil eraser is identical.... lol
yougot90hot 6 months ago
Bullets are set back in the casing due to being chambered multiple times, will happen with any ammo unless its crimped very tight with bullets that have a cannalure. This happens as chambering a round forces it against the feed ramp, putting pressure on the bullet itself.
Never shoot rounds that are set back, setback can cause overpressure failure of the ammo and gun, which would be bad.
I personally have a new box of that ammo, new hornady ammo has a cannalure and shouldn't set back as easily
fragger56 6 months ago
Id send them back, I carry that round in my Glock 27, I'm a little concerned after reading of issues with Harnady CD rounds........
besamtec240 6 months ago
You need to check to see if there crimped. im a professional gunsmith and reloader and i knw how this stuff works and iv carried this ammo for for 4 months and done alot of testing and they schould never do that. if they do use a bullet puller and reset them then use them
blasterkido 6 months ago
dont shoot those. thanks a lot. i loved the vid
therawreport1 7 months ago
normal if you chamber a round over and over i can push the bullet into the casing I never chamber a round more then 5 times not sure but think around 10 time it well start to push back so keep it loaded or number your rounds and keep track when i hit 5 times it's a training round then hehe
masterofnotmuch2 7 months ago
Toss em what are you kidding me !!, get on the phone to hornady an let them know about the problem.You should at least get a free box of ammo.Hornady Critical Defense is the Primo self defense ammo on the market today. I don't leave home with out it.
dannyfivefifty 7 months ago
This is what happens when you re-chamber any ammo over and over. This is not a Hornady issue, this is not an issue with the pistol, this is normal. Just like if you hit a nail over and over, the nail will sink into the wood. If you re-chamber a round over and over, the bullet will sink into the case.
liff75 7 months ago
set back happens when you load a round again and again.
subysuby 8 months ago
damn.. i think u shout complain to Hornady
oaklandbkbz 8 months ago
just dont keep personal defense ammo for that long. sounds stupid but just fire them off after about a month or 2.reason? think about this..what if that round had failed internally and not externally and you needed to defend your life at any point during those 6 months? i would recommend you make sure you're chambering the same 2 rounds every time and fire those 2 off during practice
tokentreez 8 months ago
stop showing off your gun to people so you dont have to unload it all the time ! dont shoot those rounds youll blow up your gun
MuayThai8548 8 months ago
I had this same problem with some expensive ass defense rounds (don't remember the brand). To fix it I just started to drop the first round in the chamber by hand, haven't had a problem since.
NotSoSpecialForces 8 months ago
They don't look crimped thought it may be a camera thing. The increased pressure from the projectile being seated deeper could be a major issue. email this video to Hornady, they will want to know the lot # and will probably make it right.
SpartanB88 9 months ago
I have a 1911 in .45acp and I load my own ammo. I have never had any of my rounds do this because I always use a heavy crimp on my carry loads. Looks like these bullets just didn't get crimped well enough to withstand being carried/loaded/chambered. You should definately contact Hornady and tell them about this problem regardless of if you still have the rounds or not. It is a good idea NOT to shoot them though because the bullet being seated deeper can cause pressure problems!!
matrix5175 9 months ago
Corbon DPX in my Ruger LCP 380 does the same. I clean my gun every 2 to 3 weeks due to pocket carry. The messed up part is I went through my never carried ammo and found about 4 out of a box of 20 that were not crimped correctly. I found another 3 loose crimps in another box purchased almost a year apart from the first box. Corbon fixed the problem by explaining to me that I shouldn't be cleaning my gun and that they strive to make the best ammo possible. Really makes me think twice.
craigdge 9 months ago
never seen that shit before... call hornady, wait never mind they will say the gun is the problem, so you call kimber, and they will say the ammo is the problem... nobody can ever fucking take the blame..
lskw1 9 months ago
I've heard more problems with the .45 FTX then any other caliber their Critical Defense comes in. Did you send the round back to Hornady? The company loves constructive criticism.
Migs4000 10 months ago 4
@Migs4000 I never did send the ammo back. Seems more like a re-chambering issue than a Hornady issue. I carried and re-chambered those rounds in the front row a lot before noticing and making this vid.
Highjak86 10 months ago
@Highjak86
I believe hornady has since added abrasion to the sides of the bullet to prevent this. I've carried critical defense in a glock 30. Never any bullet set-back.
tubevideoguy762 7 months ago
if the ammo has been drop while in the box while being ship it will set back like that. Had a case of 45 ship to me like that from the factory
marineoneable 10 months ago
The FTX bullets are crimped and are supposed to prevent setback. I guess that's bullshit. I'm glad you made this vid. I haven't paid really close attention to mine so far. Even those that are setback only slightly are going to be increased pressure. That could be a problem in many pistols.
drake0074 10 months ago
WTF
TheMolysProject 11 months ago
its nothing with the ammo its just that its been rechambered so many times and that will push the bullet bac into the casing over so many times.
812deerslayer 11 months ago
I was told to change your carry ammo at least once a week....to rotate the ammo or somethen. Anyone ever heard of this?
RepnKillaCali 11 months ago
Everyone who said bullet setback is correct, when you re-chamber ANY cartridge enough you'll get bullet setback. The best way to avoid it is to set aside one box that you specifically use for your chambered round, select one bullet from that box chamber it and then at the end of the day put that bullet into an empty box that you have designated to receive chambered rounds. repeat the process until with the whole box 2 or 3 times. After that, get a new box and shoot the old during practice
bigboss686 11 months ago 21
I alway look in side the box's,I seen so many types of ammo like this. Always look be for you go.And they run about 35 bucks for 20.
NRAGreer 11 months ago
Set back is very common when you continue to chamber the same round time after time. It can happen with any brand. At least rotate the round you chamber......
thenowandaway 11 months ago
wow. if you contacted hornady, what did they say about it?
713HTX713 1 year ago
Honestly Hornady is a good s/d design but... theres much better rounds out there for HALF the price as those expensive damb things. Personally (imo) the best of the best as of this moment is the ranger t-series... there 230gr (a plus in my book) and there whicked when it comes to penitration while still opening fully everytime. Only drag is winchester only sells them to law enforcement but there legal to own just hard to find. check out sgammo.com
j318443 1 year ago
Bullet set back. My RIA will do it to FMJ's that I re-chamber too much. Feed ramp polish and or different magazine with full follower may help, but it is not an uncommon issue.
Jules2950 1 year ago
Bullet setback for sure. Back in 2006 I noticed this happened to a RA45T from chambering it too often through a Wilson CQB. I'm actually transitioning to this round and will have a vid up shortly about it.
TheOl1911 1 year ago
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Brent376 1 year ago
I've been carrying Hornady Critical Defense in my .380 pistols for 2 years and also in my .40 pistol for over a year. Have used the same bullets, chambered and unchambered with absolutely no problem. The only thing that comes to mind is when you're chambering a round, somehow the flextip hits something and is pushing back on the bullet itself. I don't use C.D. in my 1911, I use L.E rounds (Winchester Ranger T series), but I've also never had a problem with any ammunition recceeding like that.
centurion205 1 year ago
Weird, I've always considered hornady critical defense to be well built and carry it in 9mm & .380 have you contacted hornady about this? There is no way those rounds are safe to fire in that condition.
tubevideoguy762 1 year ago
I just ordered 500 rounds of this. I have NO worries about Hornady or the Critical Defense ammo. It is my belief that ANY auto round will show this behavior if you "rack" the same round time after time to verify that a round is in the chamber. I always drop a round in the chamber and never check to see if a round is in the chamber as I know there always is. I never, for any reason, change my routine therefore I know the weapon is ready for combat. It's all trusting your routine.
spokanesoftware 1 year ago
I'd agree with Marine052191 and morganewolfe, As there is no pressure put on the round in a magazine.
spokanesoftware 1 year ago
@spokanesoftware I used to load the first round manually, but I stopped fearing the gun might slam-fire.
Highjak86 1 year ago
I had the same thing... Glock 30 - not only did I note the color on the jacket change but after about a 20 - 30 chamabering/presschecks it set back!!! .... I'm not happy at all... I'm writing to Hornady today.
arickguzman 1 year ago
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Brent376 1 year ago
You are right on not firing those rounds. When a bullet is set deeper than its recommended specified over all length, you will begin compressing the space the powder has to expand, and eventually compress the powder itself. You will have higher pressure and can destroy your gun and harm yourself. Over all length is measured to the .001" with a tolerance of +/-.005 so those are setback way too far to be safe in any pistol period +p or not. Looks like the culprit could be a bad crimp.
theZOIVIBIE 1 year ago
I have the same problem, not I do not chamber a round from the clip, I just put one in the pipe manually, and then put the clip in. I've shot Federal Hydra-Shok with this bullet set back, all I noticed was a little more pressure. If they are not +P loads, you should be fine.
Marine052191 1 year ago
thanks for video i was really thinking about this as my carry ammo as well but seeing this i think i will go with speer gold dot 230gr
kingd3001 1 year ago
@kingd3001 Setback is a result of repeated chambering of a round or chamber checking for a loaded round (pulling the slide back far enough to see the loaded round) and any brand of ammunition will eventually suffer setback.
morgandewolfe 1 year ago
@kingd3001 I would say its probably not a bad ammo choice as long as you don't do a lot of re-chambering of the rounds or you change your ammo out every couple months. I'm keeping the extra unused rounds for my second magazine.
Highjak86 1 year ago 2
that is bullett set back and it would be dangerous to shoot them i would advise you not to shoot them that can happen to any ammo if chambered enough....
Blk05titan26 1 year ago
@Blk05titan26 Bullet setback? Thanks, I'll have to do some reading on that. I'm definitely not going to shoot the rounds that are really bad. They'll get thrown away.
Highjak86 1 year ago
@Highjak86 Yep, bullet setback is very common issue. In fact, LAPD has a department rule where no round can be chambered more than twice if it's going to be your duty load.
Garuda1337 11 months ago 13
@Garuda1337 Nice common sense rule. Thank you!!
gene15644b 7 months ago