I skipped through the video, give karate a chance and it would most likely destroy judo, Karate doesn't stand much of a chance when you're stuck on the ground, but obviously I'm a karate guy, this was a boring fight, extremely.
Sorry to break some hearts but no matter what you say, Judo won't ever stand agaist ONE STRIKE POWER unless of course Judo player has the ASTONISHING LUCK to get close enough to stand a chance.
That was an okinawan traditional karate fighter. Fighting for real (for example), he could've hit just one pressure point and end of combat. Medium distance come first than close distance, remeber that!
Then, I really don't know what the hell was that karate fighter thinking about, but you know... I'm very surprised pressure points were permitted. I thought the point was defeating your opponent, not killing him. So either that karate fighter had his reservations about doing it or didn't have the guts.
Human body's plenty full of pressure points, some of them are deadly indeed, so just one strike delivered CORRECTLY and the fight is over, you can trust me.
@Hyalyago kid you watch too much movies. judo all the way..judokas just grab the karatekas, throw him on the ground and do what ever he want with him since the karateka have no ground work xD!
Yeah, sure! And forgive me but you seem to have smoked a lot of joints if you think it's that easy like go and grab your opponent "just like that" (hahaah!!) and spect him to let you do it happily. SURE, CHILD!
Look pal, in a fight you first have a "collision" so be prepared to receive several pounding. If you survive that then you can try and practise judo tricks but ONLY once your enemy has "calmed down" a bit.
Try to (even) get closer to a REAL karate master, see what happens
@Hyalyago HA HA HA. Utter bollocks!! Have you even watched the early UFC's?? They proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a striker with NO takedown defence/ground game will get taken down and fucked up. All MMA fighters these days have a ground game, this argument was done 15 years ago. If this was a real fight the karate man would very likely be smashed into the pavement. Judo is a legit combat sport. Karate is generally semi contact mcdojo rubbish, with few real schools remaining.
Maybe it's YOU that you have no idea about COMBAT! Karate cannot win because KILLING or CRIPLING the opponent is not "the point". In a REAL fight, if you wanna lock your enemy you must FIRST get close enough to him, and if you don't end up with your nose back in your neck you can THEN try to fuck him. OTHERWISE...
And if karate is not a legit combat sport is because of its absurd huge ammount of styles, and because competition isn't usually its way of thinking.
@Hyalyago well a judokoas could easily choke you out to death or simply break your bones..but in ufc you tap out before..everyone in ufc do judo or BJJ for ground game. i'm pretty sure your ''karate style'' won't worth a single shit agaisnt a good judoka or BJJ fighter on the ground..even not on the ground, good timing you can easily do a takedown..then man handle any karateka..so what you are saying is invalid...
Maybe I'm not making myself clear or you ain't any good at physics. Look and pay SPECIAL CLOSE attention this time: we got three distances in combat by this STRICT oooorder, long range, medium range and short range. Karate fighters are trained at all three, but Judo fighters on the other hand, work ONLY at SHORT range, which means that if the Karate fighter doesn't keep distance, isn't trained at tameshiwara and does NOT break the hold, the Judo fighter can win then. GOT IT NOW???
@Hyalyago that is true.but what happen if the judoka get in close range. i think judo's short range is supperior to karatekas since there is hundreds of possible throws in the situation. or at mid range, block a punch is easy,and then grab his sleeve and do a ippon seo nage for exemple. or a kick..take him down and do a leg lock
Yes, CORRECT! Due to the "ripping off" competition Karate has in throws and such, in a close combat an expert Judo opponent has a clear advantage. It takes a real Karate master with good reflexes to have a chance to avoid locks, but if all you say happens, I'm afraid that, in most situations, the Karate fighter is technically "sold out" or, for one of a better word, IN TROUBLE.
EXACTLY, MY FRIEND!!! Karate VS Judo is like saying "Fork VS Spoon" in a meal. Combat starts with far distance where Karate is the answer. But once we get close, Judo is neccesary by far specially if you got to subdue or unarm a guy
That's the philosophy of our style: no competitions or ripping off but just what is useful. We also have Kobudo, the traditional weapons discipline that started being farming tools. The Tonfa/Tunkua (american police club) is the most similar to Karate
Hmnnn, Taekwondo, if I'm not mistaken, is another example of "ripping off" in techniques. People say that, for politic reasons, Taekwondo became WTF from the starting ITF and with a kack of techniques.
It is also said that ancient Taekwondo was Korean military discipline. It is strongly linked to Karate, and its meaning is verysimilar: "the way of hand and foot".
Hapkido is another korean martial art very interesting.
@Hyalyago i was trainning in WTF. but in a street fight i would want to use kicks, i would do a proper taekwondo kick, not a crapy weak kikc like we see most of the time in tkd WTF tournaments..there is self defence in ITF tho..it is very good.
taekwondo is based from taekkyon and a bit from shotokan
hapkido look abit like aikido..very effective in my opinion.
The good thing about kicks is that, without a doubt, they deliver more power. A well developed kick can seriously fuck your opponent for good. But it happens the same thing here, you cannot rely only in kicks. If your rival is at medium to long range, they're perfect but as you close distance, you'll have to use knees, fists, elbows, head... and so on. Once your enemy is beaten up, take delight with a good Judo/self defense technique performed correctly. ;)
But the opposite situation can occur: It not good to rely only in grappling techniques, much less having more than 1 opponent. We are taught to use grappling techniques once the aggressor is previously "calmed down", specially if he's high (drugs), or taller and/or stronger, and avoid "van damme" style high kicks bending back the body (competition karate style) because they are not efficient.
Kote Gaeshi and Waki Gatame are the close techniques we use the most, but we have tons.
@Hyalyago BUY UFC 1 watch it. Then repeat with UFC 2 - 30. Watch what happens. The karateka, boxers, kickboxers etc who all claimed that they would knock out the grappler before he took them down couldn't do it. Watch them all realise they need to learn to grapple. However you must be far superior to all these athletes so you keep on practising your 1 touch of death, even though most street fights end up on the ground :/
I agree with you about almost ALL you say. Nowadays' Competition Karate is simply put, INCOMPLETE because they stripped it from all grappling techniques Karate HAD at first. I do Shorin Ryu and I assure you we have ground and close up work. I only say that in a fight, you must first hit, and then, use grappling techniques. Using grappling from the start wouldn't likely work
On the other hand, Karate can be suitable for a 1 up to three opponents fight. Judo is only for a 1 on 1
@Einarr1989 Never seen that before but anyway> Lol i was talking about Kyokushin Karate not about pure striking Kyokushin Karate is mostly striking but it also has grappling and submission.
Still waiting for the Okinawa Karate begins...He could kick him in the beginning with the knees, very low kicks etc...he could use the empis in the judo guys back when he hits the grass etc etc
@gbatemper123 This was in an early UFC, where there was really no "mixed" martial arts yet. These days, a pure Judo guy will get beaten by someone else who is extensively trained in Judo, kick-boxing, and catch-wrestling (for example). No single style can match against fighters who are versed in several styles.
But back in early UFC, these fights were still awesome.
@Sadoruro Judoka can also bite, put their fingers in your eyes, aned punch you in your groin. The style lacks striking, but if a Judoka is up against someone who doesn't train grappling then he has a huge advantage once in clinch range.
@ThePinkMan The thing that you don't understand is that if lethal blow are allowed (finger in eye, kick in the groin, palm to the nose to put bone ine brain, shuto to the neck, punch in the throat), a judoka will never be able to close the distance to grap a skilled martial artist striker (and not a sport fighter) without getting one. And if he is able to block the first blow, the way he puutend his arms to block prevent him to grap. Judo is efficient but against someone same strenght it's hard.
@Sadoruro Pretty much all of those attacks were permissable in this venue. The early UFC's had a few token rules, but fighters couldn't be disqualified for breaking them so it was essentially no-holds-barred.
Speaking from experience: The clinch is going happens. People come up with all sorts of theories about keeping distance, but when they actually get in a fight they end up on their ass. The eyes, the throat, and the groin aren't magic buttons that repel an attacker just with a touch.
@ThePinkMan Then your exeprience is wrong, or you've never experienced a true fight with a martial artist greately trained in art of vital point like karate. When you know that he can be able to strike your eyes from every position with almost 100% accuracy, wathever the speed you got to close the gap, and that in training he breack plate of wood with his sole two finger, what do you think it will happen to your eye ? You'll become half blinded before land a hand on him. Same thing on shuto,
@Sadoruro Look, I've heard the "sport vs. street" argument a million times before.
The reality is that sport fighters hold a huge advantage in that they can can train their techniques in an alive, full-contact setting. The "lethal styles" crowd might give you lip service about eye-gouges and what not, but they're not exactly ripping eachother's eyes out in sparring, are they? What good are all your "lethal" techniques if you can't train them under pressure.
@ThePinkMan By you thinking this is just prooving me that you know nothing about the world of martial arts, and you confused it with the world of street fighting.
Do you really thing that disciplines that have been used during century for killing on battlefield have no setting for training techniques in full contact or under presure ? Don't compare it to the local dojo of your town ! I hope for you you will never fight a master trained for 30 years in kicking groins, strikes eyes and use shuto.
@Sadoruro The people I fought were trained martial artists. In the first instance I mentioned, my opponent was trained in Krav Maga.
Somehow, I think I've been kicked in the groin and poked in the eyes more than basically every master who's spent thirty years training those techniques. Martial artists like yourself prefer talking big about these topics rather than actually experiencing them in real life.
@ThePinkMan Don't you understand ? Don't compare practionner of local dojo trained for 1 to 3 years just for hobby or doing some competitions, to someone who used that kind training to get the understanding and enter the world of martial art, and then train into it since that time. There are a total huge gap.
And you're wrong. That's just logic. And if you don't understand the logic, I can insure you. But you are too pretentious to admit it.
@Sadoruro The problem I have with the "lethal" crowd in martial arts is that they always look for reasons to disregard any fight they hear about or see on video tape. They're always willing to talk for hours about their believes en lieu of examining real life examples.
A martial artist should take every opportunity as a potential learning experience, wouldn't you agree?
@ThePinkMan You really don't know everything about true martial artist. I think you've never meet one (that is not astonishing, they are really rare); You've just met little practitionner that take their kimono for ballet suits. You're making stupid generality about methat start to annoying me as you know nothing about me.
Take every training possible is a good thing, I do it, let someone say that ippon nukite, ryutoken and kingeri are inneficient cause he never experienced them is other thing
@ThePinkMan And you know nothing about me, not enought to compare me to other martial artist. I would like to answer that I'm sure that I've fight to protect my life more than you, but you will surely answer that not just to rpoove that you got a bigger cock than me, and I can bare the bigger cock contest.
@ThePinkMan You haven't reach the level where you understand that it's not the style make the fighter, it is the fighter himself right ? That man is just a fail. A master ? Don't make me laught. He wasn't able to break the spinal bone when he was grab at 5.14 even if he saw him for a while, at 6.22 he didn't even try to bite out the carothide he got an highway to do it.
Don't make me laught, he is just the instructor of the local dojo, he never enter the world of MA, all his training was fail.
@ThePinkMan spinal bone in your neck is going to be broke. Same thing on a tetsui to the top of your head: your head is as resistant as a coconut, almost. And even me are able to break them with my tetsui.
I'm not speaking of using Judo on a fight against a sole gansta, I'm speaking of using judo on a true fight between two masters at their top conditions of techniques and physic, and trained on pure traditionnal martial arts that where designed for the sole purpose of killing.
@ThePinkMan And remember that Judo is just a descendant of Ju-jutsu, that was truly the martial arts, and were designed in the first place to be a sport methode to teach to child, before be taken by the police force of japan and the marine of USA. But it wasn't designed to kill, like ju-jutsu, just the contrary.
And don't make me laugth. A competition that allowed destroying eyes and do moves that can kill your opponent never existed in our civilised and government controlled civilisations.
@ThePinkMan And I think you should experience getting a ippon nukité (a finger in the eye), a ryutoken (a fist transformed that the second join of finger are the area of strike) to the troat or a kin geri (kick in the groin) before saying that it won't stop you at once. From experience, even a 250 lbs gansta charging me was stoped by that.
@Sadoruro By the way, I've had people try to take out my eyes before. In one instance, I was on the floor with someone and I bit his fingers when he tried to claw me. In another instance, I just told the guy to go fuck himself before continuing my beating over him.
I've also shaken off more groin attacks than I'd bother to count.
@R3dTigerM40A3 Yeah, what is astonishing on that ? I know someone that is 5 dan and 25 years old. I pratice since 3 years old (thus 19 years of practice), and trained with my father, and alone, almost everydays. I perfectly got the skills that are sanctioned by those ranks. And even more, 'cause I saw the exam of 5th Dan that consist on pure counter attack with perfect timing, and that is for what my father trained me since the beguining.
@R3dTigerM40A3 And in ju-jutsu I choosed to practice as well, but just for 7 years, then yes I'm just black belt, but skill of karate helps me greatly for that.
@davdd69 If you look hard enough, you can probably find many of the events from the first four years of the UFC online. If not, you can try looking up individual fights. A website called mmatrainingworkoutsonline has a bunch of old fights.
@momo200090 Hahaha! your kidding me right? haha, Judo can Suck my Balls an Lick my ass hole....Oh wait your mum already does that for me. Hahahaha!! judo's a Joke id beat any judo fool. Hahahaha!! Wrestling RULE'S.
@momo200090 Hahaha!! blah blah blah, judo suck's an that's that, judo suck's as good as your mum does when she has my dick in her mouth. Aahahahahaha!! belgium antwerp is for Gay's, hahaha!! wata u gonna do Bitch hahaha!! ill wipe my Fat Ass with your judokas head. Aaahahahahaha!!
@momo200090 Oooh YES PLEASE!! can you leave the Skin on an Shove it Deep in my Poo Hole. Your dad was so good at doing it. you know what they say like father like son Hahahahahahaha!!!
@momo200090 Aaahaha!! look at your little pathetic attempt to get "thumbs up" ahahahaha!! tipacle judo Fag WEAK. Aaahahahahaha!! i already got thumbs up for dissing your Punk Ass ahahaha!! looks like iam not the only one who thinks your WEAK. Aahaahahahahahaha!!!
@momo200090 Aahaha! nah your mum,dad and sister's liked it, Aaahahaha!! they new you was a homo from the start Aaahahaha!! Poor gay little judo Fag Ahahahaha!! Wrestling Rule's as usual Hahahahaha!!
@alphamonX I agree that any delivery system is capable of beating another, you see it all the time in mma. Most karate systems are somewhat versed in basic judo or jiujitsu for clinch defense & offense it's hardly aloud in sparring. As far as sport vs street theory, if it can't be practiced live full force or with pads to prevent injury it's highly unlikely the technique with land in a real fight.
@alphamonX What my friends got is not irrelevant, becouse it means that in my dojo the training level is high, really high, in fact we get the podium for every competition we take part to. However, I won the -69 kg, JJJ. Now I am sick of this useless conversation. Good bye.
@alphamonX Would you please read back what i wrote? I've NEVER mentioned Maeda. And, concerning my training in martial arts, you'd better shut up: I might not be the best of my dojo, but my friends i train daily with, got first in europe and second in the world. I got first in italy last year. Please shut up.
@alphamonX You are a complete idiot. For the last time: I have never mentioned nor Maeda, nor any kind of date, so your point is ...pointless: you cannot argue about a fantomatic wrong timeline i have never talked about. Second thing of all: who the hell cares about what you think. We were jus having a peaceful conversation about martial arts in general, without any will to insult anyone, or to pretend to be MA history experts. Here, you are the idiot. An arrogant idiot.
@alphamonX Well, I haven't even mentioned Maeda, so I cannot understand your point. Nor do I have insulted you. So please, do not insult me and read carefully before answering.
Oh and by the way, I have actually studied history of martial arts, so probably you are the one with gaps in your knowledge. Dumbass.
I hear arguments on this topic about people getting blue belts in BJJ in 6 months, bullshit!!!! It takes anywhere from 1-3 years based on how you train. To achieve black belt status, minimum 7 years. I'm a 3 stripe blue belt and I've been train consistently for 3 years at 2 days per weeks. I know guys who have achieved brown belts in judo in only 3 years.
@19thaman79 The belt means little. Different countries, clubs, etc use different belt colors. What matters is the rank due to experience, aptitude, etc. Keep in mind that there is also a difference between senior and junior belts but again, the ranking in my club and country may differ from that in other areas. I'm doubting that anybody was legitimately awarded a brown belt (senior belt) in only 3 years of practice.
@19thaman79 actually I hear the same thing about some BJJ clubs a person I was speaking with on another site here on you tube told me his friend got a bjj blue belt in 6 months from American top team ? as for earning the rank of brown belt in 3 years IDK about that , Judo is still strict on senior belt ranking as far as the clubs I know of , I have been in Judo for 5 years with 3 years of competeing under my belt and I am just coming up for promotion for brown I guess it depends where study
@glock70 All do respect, you can doubt what you like but I actually know the guys who achieved brown belt status in 3 years, not a person on the internet that knows a person, who knows a person. A guy I train with got his green belt(judo) in 6 months.
@19thaman79 I don't doubt it I earned my yon kyu or "green belt " in 6 months as well that's the next color after white belt for seniors but green is still considered a beginner. now brown belt there are 3 levels 3rd 2nd and 1st dergree so three years for a sankyu or 3rd degree it's possible like said all denpends on where you study and how you advance > I passed up people who started 1 to 2 years ahead of me in Jit class thanks to Judo .
@glock70 From my understanding, green belt is the 3 belt, 1st being white than yellow for adults. I train Judo but its not a belts ranking sysytem(used to integrate with my bjj and wrestling)but I train under a 2nd degree black belt whos sensai is a 9th dan who trained in Japan for 5 years and has over 50 years experience. I do agree that the club makes all the difference.
@19thaman79 it depends on the club we go rokyu white belt >gokyu 1st green >yonkyu 2nd green then sankyu 3 rd degree brown and so fourth some ryu's go yellow then green some go 2 phases of green depends on the club but as long as you have a good teacher with a good back ground like joe Turchiano I wouldnt question the advancement of his students.
@glock70 He's a great guy and very knowledgeable. I had no idea who he was but he seemed to know what he was doing until I researched him and realize the extend of his experience. I don't want you getting the wrong idea that I don't like Judo or am disrespecting it as I enjoy it a lot. Judo has contributed to my BJJ extensivley. I respect all arts. Some I like more than other(judo,bjj,wrestling are my personal favorites).
@19thaman79 No I am not taking this conversation in a disrespecful way. like you grappling has become my favorite form of fighting even though I started out as a pure striker, I think I like grappling more now and it really doesn't matter what form JUDO BJJ SAMBO WRESTLING like them all> do they all have holes yes that's why a smart grappler looks past his own style and explores others to fill in those holes I will cross train in anything that helps my game striking or grappling .
@glock70 I completely agree with your entire statement. I started off as a grappler and add some kick boxing in every now and again to mix up my training(I do mostly train the grappling aspect more)but also respect the conditioning and technique of the striking arts thats why for me, I could never say one is better than the other. As a martial artist, I respect them all from wrestling to boxing and from bjj to karate and eveything in between.
@19thaman79 yeah karate & TKD get a bad rap but there is alot you can take out of both arts >both have a great amount of speed when it comes to foot work>Kicking and punching some Karate dojo's teach throws and takedowns and some ground I know my dojo does , and some places will teach kick boxing full or light contact
@19thaman79 if you view all comments and scroll down you can see the conversation I was having with jimbojones09 where he makes the comment that his friend earned a blue in bjj in 3 months at American Top team and Judo black belt or shodan in 3 years 9 months > if you dont mind me asking what dojo did your friends earn their brown belt from?
@glock70 The guys I was referring to train at a club in N.Y, not sure the name of it but their sensai is same guy I mentioned in an earlier post, Joe Terchiano, 9th dan with over 50 years experience.
moreover, this only points out that the judoka is a better fighter than the karateka...
Claiming the better fighting style against another fighting style is completely bullshit. Meaning, the problem isn't Karate, the problem is the practitioner of Karate on the video.
There's no such thing as a better fighting style, only a better fighter.
@ghostdancer1984 Why is this what everyone says when their art loses to another? If you took the best karateka in the world put him vs the best judoka or BJJ competitor in a real fight with no rules he loses! Because he simple is not prepared to stop the takedown nor equipped to fight on the ground.
@iceman250582 i didn't say anything about art. i said this guy lost to that guy. you obviously don't know anything about karate. karate has holds and throws in it. if a judoka in an actual kumite tried to do the bjj takedown, he'd catch a hammerfist to the back of the head, which is illegal in the ufc. you obvious are not either a.)asian, or b.) take by a reputable school. there is not such thing as the best art, only the best fighter. period.
@ghostdancer1984 Actually that is where your wrong. I have studied Shorin Ryu, Tuite, Tegume, Aiki-jitsu, Aikido. I teach BJJ at a karate school which I also train in the karate. Did you miss UFC 1-5? There were no rules and Karate guys got smashed because they couldn't stop the takedown. I believe karate is effective and has it good points but alone it is an incomplete self defense art. "Hammerfist to back of head"? This is highly unlikely to stop the takedown or cause a knockout.
@iceman250582 hey ice man not too interrupt your conversation I see it took you 5 years to earn your blue in BJJ> I was just having a disagreement with someone one on here about the time it takes to earn a blue in BJJ & a Judo black in Judo >at my BJJ club it takes 1-3 at the very least for a blue and that is if you have a grappling back ground and at my dojo a bout 7 to 10 for a black in judo> have you ever heard of someone earning a blue in 3 months?
@ghostdancer1984 I am not asian and really don't see how that matters. Simply put I am only a blue belt in BJJ with 5 years training. The sensei @ the karate school is a 4th Dan and his instructor is an 8th. They agree with me that without training the ground your creating false expectations of what will happen in the real world. I don't knock one art vs another but their are arts which better prepare you to defend yourself all around.
@iceman250582 so now you happen to be an expert. like i said. you obviously don't have training in karate. karate has throws, takedowns, and holds in it. i have training in shotokan, tai chi, and wing tsung, and i have fought people that do bjj, and i haven't lost. let me guess, they just weren't that good, right?
@ghostdancer1984 Never said I was an expert. Your wrong again... Karate alone has no throws. The word "Te" meaning hand which in ancient times was everthing from the elbow to the finger tip and kara meaning "Empty". Karate alone is an empty hand striking art. The joint locks and some throws come from Tuite again the word "Te" which is wrist locks and a few throws. 90% of karate schools do not teach or know of Tuite! I love how you have fought these so called BJJ guys ;-)
@iceman250582 oh, and bringing up the asian things has it's grounds. it was a jiujitsuka that was the main guy pushing karate, or shuri te in okinawa, in japan. he had to change the name to karate to make it more palatable to the japanese. like it said, it's the fighter, not the art. sorry buddy.
@ghostdancer1984 Really? Are you sure about that? When you make a statement at least have a name and don't say "Some Guy" lol. If you do a little research you will see that Shuri Te evolved into present day Shorin Ryu under Bushi Matsumura. The Shuri Te style was founded by Satunuku "Tode" Sakugawa. The art of karate in its many forms comes from China and the shaolin monks Kung Fu. Not from jiu jitsu in any form of the word. JJ was reserved to those of the samuri or warrior cast only.
@iceman250582 only a moron would say karate has no throws in it. obviously your just used google and came up with some bs. personally, i don't really. i actually took karate, unlike you. i'm done. don't respond anymore. i've wasted too much time on. peace.
@ghostdancer1984 Yes obviously you "Took" Karate and im a moron ;-) what did you do take a free class and quit? I still train to this day my friend and no I didn't need to google it since that is something our sensei enforces is knowing the origins of the art. As I said if you learned any throws they are from the arts of tegumi and tuite which predate karate. Your instructor failed to teach you this part and allowed you to think that it was all karate. I am sorry for you.
Actually, Judo comes from Ju-Jitsu (japanese), and brazilian Ju-Jitsu was once known as Kosen Judo (basically ne-waza), banned in japan in i-dont-remember-when. Therefore, there is no reason to argue about that, nor it is an insult to compare these three beautiful martial arts!
@raptored01 You are kind of right with the history ,yes judo comes from JJ and BJJ comes from Kodokan Judo >kosen judo was unknown at the time Mitsuyo Maeda taught the gracies Kano Jujustu that is were the Jiu Jitsu comesfrom in BJJ ,Maeda Taught Kodokan Judo not kosen judo because the split between Kosen and Kodokan was 1925 Maede was in brazil in 1914 in which he met Carlos Gracie by 1921 Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was born. all this is in Maede's Bio
@raptored01 and Kosen was not banned during the split there are 7 universites that still teach Kosen Judo Kano left Kosen judo untouched during the 1925 rule change not say that ego's weren't hurt on both sides ,Kosen Judo web site have some pretty nasty things to say about Kodokan Judo as well as BJJ, so its a shame that instead of helping one another these three arts attack one another but then again that's how you know your Family LOL !
@raptored01 Yes, you are right. But, it is "jutsu" (art) not "jitsu" (sweet potato in japanese). The portuguese speaking brazilians called the art that M. Maeda (Count Coma) taught as "jiujitsu". So, nowadays, jujutsu refers to the "soft" arts from Japan (traditional and modern), and jujitsu or jiujitsu to BJJ or GraceJJ. And, according to Renzo Gracie's book Mastering Jujitsu... most newaza techniques from pre WWII Kano's Judo, derived from Fusen ryu jujutsu. Best regards.
@RicardoKooh You're also right, both for the spelling of "jutsu/jitsu" and for the origin of judo. I knew the right spelling was jutsu, but i always thought that it sounds better jitsu! In fact I say ninjutsu instead of ninjitsu. But it has really no importance.
Another funny fact about ju-jitsu (or jutsu) is that the students (and the masters) of the first schools, used to go to pubs at night to fight and test their techniques.
@jimbojones091 Not at all, jiujitsuka and judoka can be just as elite as karateka (is karateka the right word? it doesn't look right). It comes down to mindset and devotion. I mean, a lot of people like to quote the story of the Okinawan karateka that took out a samurai without a weapon but tend to forget that that was jiujitsu's original purpose and judo arose from Jigoro Kano adjusting jiujitsu so it was less about strength.
@projektaquarius there is more training and devotion involved in okinowan karate. that is why it takes countless years of nonstop training to become a multi degreed black belt.the overall conditioning of mental toughness, iron body training, and strength development is what is tought. i could easily sign up for some jui jitsu or judo class and gain black belt ranking in about 4 years.
@jimbojones091 you can do the same thing in Okinawan karate. you can get a black belt in less than 4years if tou work at it. In damn near every martial art getting black belt is the easy part, going up after is a lot ?ore difficult. Not to mention the human weapon representation of basically the representation of the hardest training each art goes through. Not the average. I know people people who trained judo in the Kadokan and that is some of the hardest training you can go through.
@jimbojones091 Really what schools ? it take 1-3 years to earn a Blue belt in BJJ and 4-5 to earn a brown in Judo and as far as training I take all three Martial arts as a sport and as a self defense base.
I can tell you right now first hand Judo leaves my broken every week and BJJ finnish me off as for Karate
at least for the most part meaning > "most styles" are light to semi contact to no contact at all Judo and Jit are full contact I happen to take full contact Kickboxing as well
@glock70 american top team. i do kickboxing and boxing but my friend took six months of BJJ and achieved blue belt. it took him 3 years 9 months to get black belt in judo.
@jimbojones091 as far as BJJ I never heard of some earning a blue belt so fast was he a former grappler? ie wrestler or Judoka and did he compete alot? thats's the only way I can see him earning a belt so fast in either art but I guess each art has its schools like that for the most part every Judo black I know is 10 years for a black and BJJ 3 years in ,at the very least
@glock70 no he wasnt. but anyway im pulling out of this conversation because i think im right and you think youre right so i figured it wouldnt get anywhere.
@ThePinkMan Not correct. Eye gouging, groin strikes, throat strikes, small joint manipulation was still prohibited in the earlier UFC events. However, doesn't make any difference in this fight. The karateka obviously trained for sport competition and not self defense and in the end he sucked at both.
@tman229 Wrong. Only eye-gounges and groin strikes were supposed to be illegal, but because a fighter couldn't be disqualified (Only fined) that meant there were no real rules.
In regards to the karateka training for sport: Wrong again. The demonstration video the karateka sent in to the UFC featured him taking full-force blows to the groin and throat.
@ThePinkMan So they weren't DQ but fined meaning they were still restricted to do it meaning it was a rule....... Thanx for pointing that out. 2nd, I didn't ask for what he demonstrated. I asked for what he trained for with right here seems to be for competitive reasons. If he trained to eye gouge then why didn't he do in the clinch if were not any rules as you say? Would of been far too easy from that distance. From what I saw, he even had a hard time getting a good punch in though.
@tman229 By the way, the karateka (Ryan Parker) was a pressure point specialist and not a competition guy. Competitive karate in any form looks drastically different than what he did.
@tman229 He might've figured Pardoel could gouge him in return or bite his fingers if they got near his mouth. The reality is that no matter how much you train to eye-gouge, everyone else in the world is going to be roughly as good at it as you are.
Plus, the eyes aren't magic buttons. I guarantee you I've been intentionally gouged for real in HS wrestling than most karate instructors have in their lives. Not once did it keep me from pinning anybody or taking them down.
@tman229 Also, to see the points I'm trying to make about eye-gouging, watch this videos:
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Nakai's larger opponent Gordeau repeatedly gouged his eyes, but Nakai still defeated him. Gordeau previously had bitten Royce Gracie in their fight, but lost that one as well.
The reality is that the allowance eye-gouges and bitting won't help you if the person you're fighting has more skill than you.
@ThePinkMan The video doesn't even work. Also repeatedly gouge his eye? Makes no sense... One eye gouge should of been enough to damage the eyes permenantly yet he did more than one and was still able to see? LOL. Also who said anything about biting. Strikes to the eye, strikes and grip crush to the throat, strikes to the groins, small joint manipulation. All these I named and some others can be easily used at close range especially when being grappled. But believe what you want. Not my problem
I skipped through the video, give karate a chance and it would most likely destroy judo, Karate doesn't stand much of a chance when you're stuck on the ground, but obviously I'm a karate guy, this was a boring fight, extremely.
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R3dTigerM40A3 1 week ago
Sorry to break some hearts but no matter what you say, Judo won't ever stand agaist ONE STRIKE POWER unless of course Judo player has the ASTONISHING LUCK to get close enough to stand a chance.
That was an okinawan traditional karate fighter. Fighting for real (for example), he could've hit just one pressure point and end of combat. Medium distance come first than close distance, remeber that!
Hyalyago 2 weeks ago
@Hyalyago There were no rules that banned pressure points, then or now. He failed, plain and simple. Your theories about combat did not hold up.
ThePinkMan 1 week ago
Then, I really don't know what the hell was that karate fighter thinking about, but you know... I'm very surprised pressure points were permitted. I thought the point was defeating your opponent, not killing him. So either that karate fighter had his reservations about doing it or didn't have the guts.
Human body's plenty full of pressure points, some of them are deadly indeed, so just one strike delivered CORRECTLY and the fight is over, you can trust me.
Hyalyago 1 week ago
@Hyalyago kid you watch too much movies. judo all the way..judokas just grab the karatekas, throw him on the ground and do what ever he want with him since the karateka have no ground work xD!
R3dTigerM40A3 1 week ago
Yeah, sure! And forgive me but you seem to have smoked a lot of joints if you think it's that easy like go and grab your opponent "just like that" (hahaah!!) and spect him to let you do it happily. SURE, CHILD!
Look pal, in a fight you first have a "collision" so be prepared to receive several pounding. If you survive that then you can try and practise judo tricks but ONLY once your enemy has "calmed down" a bit.
Try to (even) get closer to a REAL karate master, see what happens
Hyalyago 1 week ago
I'm not surprised. Let's hope for your sake you're too lazy too to prove your words against a real trained karate master. Cheers up, pal.
Hyalyago 6 days ago
@Hyalyago HA HA HA. Utter bollocks!! Have you even watched the early UFC's?? They proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a striker with NO takedown defence/ground game will get taken down and fucked up. All MMA fighters these days have a ground game, this argument was done 15 years ago. If this was a real fight the karate man would very likely be smashed into the pavement. Judo is a legit combat sport. Karate is generally semi contact mcdojo rubbish, with few real schools remaining.
gitstiltskin 3 days ago
Maybe it's YOU that you have no idea about COMBAT! Karate cannot win because KILLING or CRIPLING the opponent is not "the point". In a REAL fight, if you wanna lock your enemy you must FIRST get close enough to him, and if you don't end up with your nose back in your neck you can THEN try to fuck him. OTHERWISE...
And if karate is not a legit combat sport is because of its absurd huge ammount of styles, and because competition isn't usually its way of thinking.
Hyalyago 3 days ago
@Hyalyago well a judokoas could easily choke you out to death or simply break your bones..but in ufc you tap out before..everyone in ufc do judo or BJJ for ground game. i'm pretty sure your ''karate style'' won't worth a single shit agaisnt a good judoka or BJJ fighter on the ground..even not on the ground, good timing you can easily do a takedown..then man handle any karateka..so what you are saying is invalid...
R3dTigerM40A3 3 days ago
Maybe I'm not making myself clear or you ain't any good at physics. Look and pay SPECIAL CLOSE attention this time: we got three distances in combat by this STRICT oooorder, long range, medium range and short range. Karate fighters are trained at all three, but Judo fighters on the other hand, work ONLY at SHORT range, which means that if the Karate fighter doesn't keep distance, isn't trained at tameshiwara and does NOT break the hold, the Judo fighter can win then. GOT IT NOW???
Hyalyago 3 days ago
@Hyalyago that is true.but what happen if the judoka get in close range. i think judo's short range is supperior to karatekas since there is hundreds of possible throws in the situation. or at mid range, block a punch is easy,and then grab his sleeve and do a ippon seo nage for exemple. or a kick..take him down and do a leg lock
R3dTigerM40A3 2 days ago
Yes, CORRECT! Due to the "ripping off" competition Karate has in throws and such, in a close combat an expert Judo opponent has a clear advantage. It takes a real Karate master with good reflexes to have a chance to avoid locks, but if all you say happens, I'm afraid that, in most situations, the Karate fighter is technically "sold out" or, for one of a better word, IN TROUBLE.
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@Hyalyago yes. i agree with you. both karate and judo are both good. but one have more advantage than other in certain situation or range.
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
EXACTLY, MY FRIEND!!! Karate VS Judo is like saying "Fork VS Spoon" in a meal. Combat starts with far distance where Karate is the answer. But once we get close, Judo is neccesary by far specially if you got to subdue or unarm a guy
That's the philosophy of our style: no competitions or ripping off but just what is useful. We also have Kobudo, the traditional weapons discipline that started being farming tools. The Tonfa/Tunkua (american police club) is the most similar to Karate
Hyalyago 1 day ago
@Hyalyago for long range i acctually have a black belt in taekwondo soo -.- personally i am good 2 go.
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
Hmnnn, Taekwondo, if I'm not mistaken, is another example of "ripping off" in techniques. People say that, for politic reasons, Taekwondo became WTF from the starting ITF and with a kack of techniques.
It is also said that ancient Taekwondo was Korean military discipline. It is strongly linked to Karate, and its meaning is verysimilar: "the way of hand and foot".
Hapkido is another korean martial art very interesting.
Hyalyago 1 day ago
@Hyalyago i was trainning in WTF. but in a street fight i would want to use kicks, i would do a proper taekwondo kick, not a crapy weak kikc like we see most of the time in tkd WTF tournaments..there is self defence in ITF tho..it is very good.
taekwondo is based from taekkyon and a bit from shotokan
hapkido look abit like aikido..very effective in my opinion.
R3dTigerM40A3 1 day ago
The good thing about kicks is that, without a doubt, they deliver more power. A well developed kick can seriously fuck your opponent for good. But it happens the same thing here, you cannot rely only in kicks. If your rival is at medium to long range, they're perfect but as you close distance, you'll have to use knees, fists, elbows, head... and so on. Once your enemy is beaten up, take delight with a good Judo/self defense technique performed correctly. ;)
Hyalyago 1 day ago
But the opposite situation can occur: It not good to rely only in grappling techniques, much less having more than 1 opponent. We are taught to use grappling techniques once the aggressor is previously "calmed down", specially if he's high (drugs), or taller and/or stronger, and avoid "van damme" style high kicks bending back the body (competition karate style) because they are not efficient.
Kote Gaeshi and Waki Gatame are the close techniques we use the most, but we have tons.
Hyalyago 1 day ago
@Hyalyago BUY UFC 1 watch it. Then repeat with UFC 2 - 30. Watch what happens. The karateka, boxers, kickboxers etc who all claimed that they would knock out the grappler before he took them down couldn't do it. Watch them all realise they need to learn to grapple. However you must be far superior to all these athletes so you keep on practising your 1 touch of death, even though most street fights end up on the ground :/
gitstiltskin 2 days ago
I agree with you about almost ALL you say. Nowadays' Competition Karate is simply put, INCOMPLETE because they stripped it from all grappling techniques Karate HAD at first. I do Shorin Ryu and I assure you we have ground and close up work. I only say that in a fight, you must first hit, and then, use grappling techniques. Using grappling from the start wouldn't likely work
On the other hand, Karate can be suitable for a 1 up to three opponents fight. Judo is only for a 1 on 1
Hyalyago 2 days ago
KARATE SUCKS!!! Only Chuck Norris can fight with that style.
ghostcond 2 weeks ago
Lyoto is 3nd dan shotokan karate
kawasakitester 3 weeks ago
Sorry if i spelled it wrong :$
MrDarktiger 3 weeks ago
lol i wanna see judo vs kiokoshin karate ;) bye bye judo ^^
MrDarktiger 3 weeks ago
@MrDarktiger Bullshit. 9 times out of 10 a pure striker will get destroyed by a pure grappler.
Einarr1989 2 weeks ago
@Einarr1989 Never seen that before but anyway> Lol i was talking about Kyokushin Karate not about pure striking Kyokushin Karate is mostly striking but it also has grappling and submission.
MrDarktiger 2 weeks ago
well the karateka was very dumb and the judoka did what is the best for him
the karateka must keep him away with kicks and punches but he didnt
Ghahu 3 weeks ago
Judo had the reputation of being a so-so fighting art. If this doesn't prove differently, nothing will.
wardragonprime 3 weeks ago
yeah,put this guy agains lyoto machida,he is karate fighter
kreso149 1 month ago
@kreso149 Lyoto is a mixed martial artist who has also trained in Muay Thai, Sumo Wrestling and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
parks2000 1 month ago
Still waiting for the Okinawa Karate begins...He could kick him in the beginning with the knees, very low kicks etc...he could use the empis in the judo guys back when he hits the grass etc etc
sjeffe32 1 month ago
HARTJES AUTO's ftw!!
GooseHinson 1 month ago
duh. mr. judo gets mr. karate in a headlock on the ground and it's over. i'm at 1:15. there's no point in continuing.
judo didn't win a fight. the guy who practices it did.
jaseins 1 month ago
read my name! Judo!
AXTJudoStarz 1 month ago
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Judo's teachings revolve around competition and rules that make it impractical for a street fight. But in the ring..... well, you see it.
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Sin6667 1 month ago
This shit doesn't make sense.
Judo should be learned in addition to another form of Martial Arts.
Judo isn't supposed to be used by itself, otherwise you will be seriously beaten the fuck up.
gbatemper123 1 month ago
@gbatemper123 Well, apparently your preconceived notions about Judo were false.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@gbatemper123 This was in an early UFC, where there was really no "mixed" martial arts yet. These days, a pure Judo guy will get beaten by someone else who is extensively trained in Judo, kick-boxing, and catch-wrestling (for example). No single style can match against fighters who are versed in several styles.
But back in early UFC, these fights were still awesome.
SweetZombiJesus 1 month ago
@gbatemper123 So? The Judoka won the match anyway.
Heskal70 1 month ago
Kick / Knee / puch to the groin + bite + finger in the eyes authorised = Judo useless in that kind of fight.
Rules set = Judo can be efficient.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro you know nothing about judo on the street there is also no rule for judo.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 I'm a black belt on Judo Ju-justu and a 3rd dan on karate then yes I know.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro Judoka can also bite, put their fingers in your eyes, aned punch you in your groin. The style lacks striking, but if a Judoka is up against someone who doesn't train grappling then he has a huge advantage once in clinch range.
Without rules, Judo is even more dangerous.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan The thing that you don't understand is that if lethal blow are allowed (finger in eye, kick in the groin, palm to the nose to put bone ine brain, shuto to the neck, punch in the throat), a judoka will never be able to close the distance to grap a skilled martial artist striker (and not a sport fighter) without getting one. And if he is able to block the first blow, the way he puutend his arms to block prevent him to grap. Judo is efficient but against someone same strenght it's hard.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro Pretty much all of those attacks were permissable in this venue. The early UFC's had a few token rules, but fighters couldn't be disqualified for breaking them so it was essentially no-holds-barred.
Speaking from experience: The clinch is going happens. People come up with all sorts of theories about keeping distance, but when they actually get in a fight they end up on their ass. The eyes, the throat, and the groin aren't magic buttons that repel an attacker just with a touch.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan Then your exeprience is wrong, or you've never experienced a true fight with a martial artist greately trained in art of vital point like karate. When you know that he can be able to strike your eyes from every position with almost 100% accuracy, wathever the speed you got to close the gap, and that in training he breack plate of wood with his sole two finger, what do you think it will happen to your eye ? You'll become half blinded before land a hand on him. Same thing on shuto,
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro Look, I've heard the "sport vs. street" argument a million times before.
The reality is that sport fighters hold a huge advantage in that they can can train their techniques in an alive, full-contact setting. The "lethal styles" crowd might give you lip service about eye-gouges and what not, but they're not exactly ripping eachother's eyes out in sparring, are they? What good are all your "lethal" techniques if you can't train them under pressure.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan By you thinking this is just prooving me that you know nothing about the world of martial arts, and you confused it with the world of street fighting.
Do you really thing that disciplines that have been used during century for killing on battlefield have no setting for training techniques in full contact or under presure ? Don't compare it to the local dojo of your town ! I hope for you you will never fight a master trained for 30 years in kicking groins, strikes eyes and use shuto.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro The people I fought were trained martial artists. In the first instance I mentioned, my opponent was trained in Krav Maga.
Somehow, I think I've been kicked in the groin and poked in the eyes more than basically every master who's spent thirty years training those techniques. Martial artists like yourself prefer talking big about these topics rather than actually experiencing them in real life.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan Don't you understand ? Don't compare practionner of local dojo trained for 1 to 3 years just for hobby or doing some competitions, to someone who used that kind training to get the understanding and enter the world of martial art, and then train into it since that time. There are a total huge gap.
And you're wrong. That's just logic. And if you don't understand the logic, I can insure you. But you are too pretentious to admit it.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro The problem I have with the "lethal" crowd in martial arts is that they always look for reasons to disregard any fight they hear about or see on video tape. They're always willing to talk for hours about their believes en lieu of examining real life examples.
A martial artist should take every opportunity as a potential learning experience, wouldn't you agree?
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan You really don't know everything about true martial artist. I think you've never meet one (that is not astonishing, they are really rare); You've just met little practitionner that take their kimono for ballet suits. You're making stupid generality about methat start to annoying me as you know nothing about me.
Take every training possible is a good thing, I do it, let someone say that ippon nukite, ryutoken and kingeri are inneficient cause he never experienced them is other thing
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan And you know nothing about me, not enought to compare me to other martial artist. I would like to answer that I'm sure that I've fight to protect my life more than you, but you will surely answer that not just to rpoove that you got a bigger cock than me, and I can bare the bigger cock contest.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro Also, I'd like you to look at this video where a kung-fu instructor of many decades fights an inexperienced jiu-jitsu fighter:
watch?v=3_XKXOkpUVw
Notice how his eye attacks fail.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
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@ThePinkMan You haven't reach the level where you understand that it's not the style make the fighter, it is the fighter himself right ? That man is just a fail. A master ? Don't make me laught. He wasn't able to break the spinal bone when he was grab at 5.14 even if he saw him for a while, at 6.22 he didn't even try to bite out the carothide he got an highway to do it.
Don't make me laught, he is just the instructor of the local dojo, he never enter the world of MA, all his training was fail.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan spinal bone in your neck is going to be broke. Same thing on a tetsui to the top of your head: your head is as resistant as a coconut, almost. And even me are able to break them with my tetsui.
I'm not speaking of using Judo on a fight against a sole gansta, I'm speaking of using judo on a true fight between two masters at their top conditions of techniques and physic, and trained on pure traditionnal martial arts that where designed for the sole purpose of killing.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan And remember that Judo is just a descendant of Ju-jutsu, that was truly the martial arts, and were designed in the first place to be a sport methode to teach to child, before be taken by the police force of japan and the marine of USA. But it wasn't designed to kill, like ju-jutsu, just the contrary.
And don't make me laugth. A competition that allowed destroying eyes and do moves that can kill your opponent never existed in our civilised and government controlled civilisations.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan And I think you should experience getting a ippon nukité (a finger in the eye), a ryutoken (a fist transformed that the second join of finger are the area of strike) to the troat or a kin geri (kick in the groin) before saying that it won't stop you at once. From experience, even a 250 lbs gansta charging me was stoped by that.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@Sadoruro By the way, I've had people try to take out my eyes before. In one instance, I was on the floor with someone and I bit his fingers when he tried to claw me. In another instance, I just told the guy to go fuck himself before continuing my beating over him.
I've also shaken off more groin attacks than I'd bother to count.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@Sadoruro how old are you
R3dTigerM40A3 1 month ago
@Sadoruro lol your channel says that you are 22 years old..with black belt in kiu-jitsu and judo + 3rd dan in karate?? lmfao
R3dTigerM40A3 1 month ago
@R3dTigerM40A3 Yeah, what is astonishing on that ? I know someone that is 5 dan and 25 years old. I pratice since 3 years old (thus 19 years of practice), and trained with my father, and alone, almost everydays. I perfectly got the skills that are sanctioned by those ranks. And even more, 'cause I saw the exam of 5th Dan that consist on pure counter attack with perfect timing, and that is for what my father trained me since the beguining.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
@R3dTigerM40A3 And in ju-jutsu I choosed to practice as well, but just for 7 years, then yes I'm just black belt, but skill of karate helps me greatly for that.
Sadoruro 1 month ago
man i wanna see all the old school ufc fights where it was a mixed martial art tournament, not fighting between mixed martial artists
davdd69 1 month ago
@davdd69 If you look hard enough, you can probably find many of the events from the first four years of the UFC online. If not, you can try looking up individual fights. A website called mmatrainingworkoutsonline has a bunch of old fights.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
Nice fight :!
MegaFlareX 1 month ago
Like a snake swallowing a rabbit...
Derukugi2 1 month ago
Fuck Judo. Greco Roman All Day.
pryzed1 2 months ago
@pryzed1 fuck you,fight a judo fighter and it would be your last fight.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Hahaha! your kidding me right? haha, Judo can Suck my Balls an Lick my ass hole....Oh wait your mum already does that for me. Hahahaha!! judo's a Joke id beat any judo fool. Hahahaha!! Wrestling RULE'S.
pryzed1 1 month ago
@pryzed1 go fuck your self bitch.
judo can beat any gay wrestlers in and out the ring.
if you will ever come to belgium antwerp we judokas will fuck you and your mother while your dad recording it.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Hahaha!! blah blah blah, judo suck's an that's that, judo suck's as good as your mum does when she has my dick in her mouth. Aahahahahaha!! belgium antwerp is for Gay's, hahaha!! wata u gonna do Bitch hahaha!! ill wipe my Fat Ass with your judokas head. Aaahahahahaha!!
pryzed1 1 month ago
@pryzed1 go fuck your self,poor gay :'(
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 I dont understand Monkey talk, do u want a banana? ahahahaha!!
pryzed1 1 month ago
@pryzed1 a i will put that banana in your ass.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Oooh YES PLEASE!! can you leave the Skin on an Shove it Deep in my Poo Hole. Your dad was so good at doing it. you know what they say like father like son Hahahahahahaha!!!
pryzed1 1 month ago
THUMBS UP if @pryzed1 is a fucking pussy,gay,faggot,... and if he will fight a judoka it will be hes last fight.
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Aaahaha!! look at your little pathetic attempt to get "thumbs up" ahahahaha!! tipacle judo Fag WEAK. Aaahahahahaha!! i already got thumbs up for dissing your Punk Ass ahahaha!! looks like iam not the only one who thinks your WEAK. Aahaahahahahahaha!!!
pryzed1 1 month ago
@pryzed1 go fuck your self
momo200090 1 month ago
@pryzed1 you made 4 accounts poor guy :')
momo200090 1 month ago
@momo200090 Aahaha! nah your mum,dad and sister's liked it, Aaahahaha!! they new you was a homo from the start Aaahahaha!! Poor gay little judo Fag Ahahahaha!! Wrestling Rule's as usual Hahahahaha!!
pryzed1 1 month ago
judo in my hart
R3dTigerM40A3 2 months ago 4
a lame grap
Zodackel 2 months ago
JUDO "FTW' thumbs up if your with me ! ! !
blackopspro283 2 months ago 63
@alphamonX I agree that any delivery system is capable of beating another, you see it all the time in mma. Most karate systems are somewhat versed in basic judo or jiujitsu for clinch defense & offense it's hardly aloud in sparring. As far as sport vs street theory, if it can't be practiced live full force or with pads to prevent injury it's highly unlikely the technique with land in a real fight.
0713mas 2 months ago
Aaargh, I'm on the ground and I've never practiced this in the dojo before, what the hell do I dooo? D:
I miss those days.
Finalymadename 2 months ago 21
I wanted the guy in the white to win =(
EngineerMontila 2 months ago
@alphamonX What my friends got is not irrelevant, becouse it means that in my dojo the training level is high, really high, in fact we get the podium for every competition we take part to. However, I won the -69 kg, JJJ. Now I am sick of this useless conversation. Good bye.
raptored01 2 months ago
@alphamonX Would you please read back what i wrote? I've NEVER mentioned Maeda. And, concerning my training in martial arts, you'd better shut up: I might not be the best of my dojo, but my friends i train daily with, got first in europe and second in the world. I got first in italy last year. Please shut up.
raptored01 2 months ago
@alphamonX You are a complete idiot. For the last time: I have never mentioned nor Maeda, nor any kind of date, so your point is ...pointless: you cannot argue about a fantomatic wrong timeline i have never talked about. Second thing of all: who the hell cares about what you think. We were jus having a peaceful conversation about martial arts in general, without any will to insult anyone, or to pretend to be MA history experts. Here, you are the idiot. An arrogant idiot.
Have a nice death.
raptored01 2 months ago
@alphamonX Well, I haven't even mentioned Maeda, so I cannot understand your point. Nor do I have insulted you. So please, do not insult me and read carefully before answering.
Oh and by the way, I have actually studied history of martial arts, so probably you are the one with gaps in your knowledge. Dumbass.
raptored01 2 months ago
So... where´s the karateka?
Flavioxeneize 2 months ago
gay fight.. =_=
hazardox 3 months ago
I hear arguments on this topic about people getting blue belts in BJJ in 6 months, bullshit!!!! It takes anywhere from 1-3 years based on how you train. To achieve black belt status, minimum 7 years. I'm a 3 stripe blue belt and I've been train consistently for 3 years at 2 days per weeks. I know guys who have achieved brown belts in judo in only 3 years.
19thaman79 3 months ago
@19thaman79 The belt means little. Different countries, clubs, etc use different belt colors. What matters is the rank due to experience, aptitude, etc. Keep in mind that there is also a difference between senior and junior belts but again, the ranking in my club and country may differ from that in other areas. I'm doubting that anybody was legitimately awarded a brown belt (senior belt) in only 3 years of practice.
MrAristes 3 months ago
@19thaman79 actually I hear the same thing about some BJJ clubs a person I was speaking with on another site here on you tube told me his friend got a bjj blue belt in 6 months from American top team ? as for earning the rank of brown belt in 3 years IDK about that , Judo is still strict on senior belt ranking as far as the clubs I know of , I have been in Judo for 5 years with 3 years of competeing under my belt and I am just coming up for promotion for brown I guess it depends where study
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 All do respect, you can doubt what you like but I actually know the guys who achieved brown belt status in 3 years, not a person on the internet that knows a person, who knows a person. A guy I train with got his green belt(judo) in 6 months.
19thaman79 2 months ago
@19thaman79 I don't doubt it I earned my yon kyu or "green belt " in 6 months as well that's the next color after white belt for seniors but green is still considered a beginner. now brown belt there are 3 levels 3rd 2nd and 1st dergree so three years for a sankyu or 3rd degree it's possible like said all denpends on where you study and how you advance > I passed up people who started 1 to 2 years ahead of me in Jit class thanks to Judo .
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 From my understanding, green belt is the 3 belt, 1st being white than yellow for adults. I train Judo but its not a belts ranking sysytem(used to integrate with my bjj and wrestling)but I train under a 2nd degree black belt whos sensai is a 9th dan who trained in Japan for 5 years and has over 50 years experience. I do agree that the club makes all the difference.
19thaman79 2 months ago
@19thaman79 it depends on the club we go rokyu white belt >gokyu 1st green >yonkyu 2nd green then sankyu 3 rd degree brown and so fourth some ryu's go yellow then green some go 2 phases of green depends on the club but as long as you have a good teacher with a good back ground like joe Turchiano I wouldnt question the advancement of his students.
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 He's a great guy and very knowledgeable. I had no idea who he was but he seemed to know what he was doing until I researched him and realize the extend of his experience. I don't want you getting the wrong idea that I don't like Judo or am disrespecting it as I enjoy it a lot. Judo has contributed to my BJJ extensivley. I respect all arts. Some I like more than other(judo,bjj,wrestling are my personal favorites).
19thaman79 2 months ago
@19thaman79 No I am not taking this conversation in a disrespecful way. like you grappling has become my favorite form of fighting even though I started out as a pure striker, I think I like grappling more now and it really doesn't matter what form JUDO BJJ SAMBO WRESTLING like them all> do they all have holes yes that's why a smart grappler looks past his own style and explores others to fill in those holes I will cross train in anything that helps my game striking or grappling .
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 I completely agree with your entire statement. I started off as a grappler and add some kick boxing in every now and again to mix up my training(I do mostly train the grappling aspect more)but also respect the conditioning and technique of the striking arts thats why for me, I could never say one is better than the other. As a martial artist, I respect them all from wrestling to boxing and from bjj to karate and eveything in between.
19thaman79 2 months ago
@19thaman79 respect for all arts is the way it should be.
glock70 2 months ago
@19thaman79 yeah karate & TKD get a bad rap but there is alot you can take out of both arts >both have a great amount of speed when it comes to foot work>Kicking and punching some Karate dojo's teach throws and takedowns and some ground I know my dojo does , and some places will teach kick boxing full or light contact
so its good to look at everything for moves.
glock70 2 months ago
@19thaman79 if you view all comments and scroll down you can see the conversation I was having with jimbojones09 where he makes the comment that his friend earned a blue in bjj in 3 months at American Top team and Judo black belt or shodan in 3 years 9 months > if you dont mind me asking what dojo did your friends earn their brown belt from?
glock70 2 months ago
@glock70 The guys I was referring to train at a club in N.Y, not sure the name of it but their sensai is same guy I mentioned in an earlier post, Joe Terchiano, 9th dan with over 50 years experience.
19thaman79 2 months ago
@19thaman79 Olympic runner up good guy to learn from .
glock70 2 months ago
the karate fighter acts like a turtle
towelie86 3 months ago
Judo fighters know how to block strikes, work to clinch, throw & submit.
Karate fighters generally only train to strike block, & defend basic standing locks. So there's ur problem right there!
0713mas 3 months ago
judo only wins cuz karate is nothing to do in the ground only judo thats why it wins but if ur standing up your fucked!
theDominic5067 3 months ago
Sorry, Judo is nothing more than bear hugging your opponent to submission.
pbaylis1 3 months ago
@pbaylis1 No matter what you think of it, it still worked. So...
ThePinkMan 3 months ago
moreover, this only points out that the judoka is a better fighter than the karateka...
Claiming the better fighting style against another fighting style is completely bullshit. Meaning, the problem isn't Karate, the problem is the practitioner of Karate on the video.
There's no such thing as a better fighting style, only a better fighter.
HeavyMetalArmor936 3 months ago
too bad modern MMA never allows joint-locks
HeavyMetalArmor936 3 months ago
@HeavyMetalArmor936 Are ou being sarcastic, or are you just confused?
Joint-locks have always been legal in MMA and always will be.
ThePinkMan 3 months ago
@ThePinkMan Maybe he is talking about small joints.
RicardoKooh 3 months ago
JUDO FOR THE FUCKING WINNNNNNNNN
Narciso3322 4 months ago
this judoka just happens to be better then this karateka. that's all this is.
ghostdancer1984 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 Why is this what everyone says when their art loses to another? If you took the best karateka in the world put him vs the best judoka or BJJ competitor in a real fight with no rules he loses! Because he simple is not prepared to stop the takedown nor equipped to fight on the ground.
iceman250582 4 months ago
@iceman250582 i didn't say anything about art. i said this guy lost to that guy. you obviously don't know anything about karate. karate has holds and throws in it. if a judoka in an actual kumite tried to do the bjj takedown, he'd catch a hammerfist to the back of the head, which is illegal in the ufc. you obvious are not either a.)asian, or b.) take by a reputable school. there is not such thing as the best art, only the best fighter. period.
ghostdancer1984 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 Actually that is where your wrong. I have studied Shorin Ryu, Tuite, Tegume, Aiki-jitsu, Aikido. I teach BJJ at a karate school which I also train in the karate. Did you miss UFC 1-5? There were no rules and Karate guys got smashed because they couldn't stop the takedown. I believe karate is effective and has it good points but alone it is an incomplete self defense art. "Hammerfist to back of head"? This is highly unlikely to stop the takedown or cause a knockout.
iceman250582 4 months ago
@iceman250582 hey ice man not too interrupt your conversation I see it took you 5 years to earn your blue in BJJ> I was just having a disagreement with someone one on here about the time it takes to earn a blue in BJJ & a Judo black in Judo >at my BJJ club it takes 1-3 at the very least for a blue and that is if you have a grappling back ground and at my dojo a bout 7 to 10 for a black in judo> have you ever heard of someone earning a blue in 3 months?
glock70 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 I am not asian and really don't see how that matters. Simply put I am only a blue belt in BJJ with 5 years training. The sensei @ the karate school is a 4th Dan and his instructor is an 8th. They agree with me that without training the ground your creating false expectations of what will happen in the real world. I don't knock one art vs another but their are arts which better prepare you to defend yourself all around.
iceman250582 4 months ago
@iceman250582 so now you happen to be an expert. like i said. you obviously don't have training in karate. karate has throws, takedowns, and holds in it. i have training in shotokan, tai chi, and wing tsung, and i have fought people that do bjj, and i haven't lost. let me guess, they just weren't that good, right?
ghostdancer1984 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 Never said I was an expert. Your wrong again... Karate alone has no throws. The word "Te" meaning hand which in ancient times was everthing from the elbow to the finger tip and kara meaning "Empty". Karate alone is an empty hand striking art. The joint locks and some throws come from Tuite again the word "Te" which is wrist locks and a few throws. 90% of karate schools do not teach or know of Tuite! I love how you have fought these so called BJJ guys ;-)
iceman250582 4 months ago
@iceman250582 oh, and bringing up the asian things has it's grounds. it was a jiujitsuka that was the main guy pushing karate, or shuri te in okinawa, in japan. he had to change the name to karate to make it more palatable to the japanese. like it said, it's the fighter, not the art. sorry buddy.
ghostdancer1984 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 Really? Are you sure about that? When you make a statement at least have a name and don't say "Some Guy" lol. If you do a little research you will see that Shuri Te evolved into present day Shorin Ryu under Bushi Matsumura. The Shuri Te style was founded by Satunuku "Tode" Sakugawa. The art of karate in its many forms comes from China and the shaolin monks Kung Fu. Not from jiu jitsu in any form of the word. JJ was reserved to those of the samuri or warrior cast only.
iceman250582 4 months ago
@iceman250582 only a moron would say karate has no throws in it. obviously your just used google and came up with some bs. personally, i don't really. i actually took karate, unlike you. i'm done. don't respond anymore. i've wasted too much time on. peace.
ghostdancer1984 4 months ago
@ghostdancer1984 Yes obviously you "Took" Karate and im a moron ;-) what did you do take a free class and quit? I still train to this day my friend and no I didn't need to google it since that is something our sensei enforces is knowing the origins of the art. As I said if you learned any throws they are from the arts of tegumi and tuite which predate karate. Your instructor failed to teach you this part and allowed you to think that it was all karate. I am sorry for you.
iceman250582 4 months ago
okiinawan karate is how attack opponents' testicles,eyes,throat and other vital parts like kung fu. this is just a japanese karate.
lequiogoles 4 months ago
Actually, Judo comes from Ju-Jitsu (japanese), and brazilian Ju-Jitsu was once known as Kosen Judo (basically ne-waza), banned in japan in i-dont-remember-when. Therefore, there is no reason to argue about that, nor it is an insult to compare these three beautiful martial arts!
raptored01 4 months ago
@raptored01 You are kind of right with the history ,yes judo comes from JJ and BJJ comes from Kodokan Judo >kosen judo was unknown at the time Mitsuyo Maeda taught the gracies Kano Jujustu that is were the Jiu Jitsu comesfrom in BJJ ,Maeda Taught Kodokan Judo not kosen judo because the split between Kosen and Kodokan was 1925 Maede was in brazil in 1914 in which he met Carlos Gracie by 1921 Brazilian Jiu Jitsu was born. all this is in Maede's Bio
glock70 4 months ago
@raptored01 and Kosen was not banned during the split there are 7 universites that still teach Kosen Judo Kano left Kosen judo untouched during the 1925 rule change not say that ego's weren't hurt on both sides ,Kosen Judo web site have some pretty nasty things to say about Kodokan Judo as well as BJJ, so its a shame that instead of helping one another these three arts attack one another but then again that's how you know your Family LOL !
glock70 4 months ago
@raptored01 Yes, you are right. But, it is "jutsu" (art) not "jitsu" (sweet potato in japanese). The portuguese speaking brazilians called the art that M. Maeda (Count Coma) taught as "jiujitsu". So, nowadays, jujutsu refers to the "soft" arts from Japan (traditional and modern), and jujitsu or jiujitsu to BJJ or GraceJJ. And, according to Renzo Gracie's book Mastering Jujitsu... most newaza techniques from pre WWII Kano's Judo, derived from Fusen ryu jujutsu. Best regards.
RicardoKooh 3 months ago
@RicardoKooh You're also right, both for the spelling of "jutsu/jitsu" and for the origin of judo. I knew the right spelling was jutsu, but i always thought that it sounds better jitsu! In fact I say ninjutsu instead of ninjitsu. But it has really no importance.
Another funny fact about ju-jitsu (or jutsu) is that the students (and the masters) of the first schools, used to go to pubs at night to fight and test their techniques.
raptored01 3 months ago
Dear who ever made that scoreboard in the beginning: Judo and Jiu-Jitsu is not the same!
danielholgaard 4 months ago
@danielholgaard as if it is impossible to study both
bickybocky 4 months ago
@bickybocky I never said that. But it isn't the same.
danielholgaard 4 months ago
@danielholgaard i believe the scoreboard is saying that he practices both.
bickybocky 4 months ago
hey anyone know what ufc this is? i want to try and look it up with sound :)
masterchief9064 4 months ago
yeah well strinking against judo you can say it's pretty much over when they're on the ground
brokenherz 4 months ago
Very cool. CHECK OUT MY JUDO VIDEO on a U of M JUDO demo!
Chiragana 4 months ago
It's over.....get him a bodybag yeah!!!
925jdb 4 months ago
Watch human weapons karate episode. True okinowan karate fighters are more elite than judo and jui jitsu.
jimbojones091 4 months ago
@jimbojones091 Not at all, jiujitsuka and judoka can be just as elite as karateka (is karateka the right word? it doesn't look right). It comes down to mindset and devotion. I mean, a lot of people like to quote the story of the Okinawan karateka that took out a samurai without a weapon but tend to forget that that was jiujitsu's original purpose and judo arose from Jigoro Kano adjusting jiujitsu so it was less about strength.
projektaquarius 4 months ago
@projektaquarius there is more training and devotion involved in okinowan karate. that is why it takes countless years of nonstop training to become a multi degreed black belt.the overall conditioning of mental toughness, iron body training, and strength development is what is tought. i could easily sign up for some jui jitsu or judo class and gain black belt ranking in about 4 years.
jimbojones091 4 months ago
@jimbojones091 you can do the same thing in Okinawan karate. you can get a black belt in less than 4years if tou work at it. In damn near every martial art getting black belt is the easy part, going up after is a lot ?ore difficult. Not to mention the human weapon representation of basically the representation of the hardest training each art goes through. Not the average. I know people people who trained judo in the Kadokan and that is some of the hardest training you can go through.
projektaquarius 4 months ago
@jimbojones091 Really what schools ? it take 1-3 years to earn a Blue belt in BJJ and 4-5 to earn a brown in Judo and as far as training I take all three Martial arts as a sport and as a self defense base.
I can tell you right now first hand Judo leaves my broken every week and BJJ finnish me off as for Karate
at least for the most part meaning > "most styles" are light to semi contact to no contact at all Judo and Jit are full contact I happen to take full contact Kickboxing as well
glock70 4 months ago
@glock70 american top team. i do kickboxing and boxing but my friend took six months of BJJ and achieved blue belt. it took him 3 years 9 months to get black belt in judo.
jimbojones091 4 months ago
@jimbojones091 as far as BJJ I never heard of some earning a blue belt so fast was he a former grappler? ie wrestler or Judoka and did he compete alot? thats's the only way I can see him earning a belt so fast in either art but I guess each art has its schools like that for the most part every Judo black I know is 10 years for a black and BJJ 3 years in ,at the very least
glock70 4 months ago
@glock70 no he wasnt. but anyway im pulling out of this conversation because i think im right and you think youre right so i figured it wouldnt get anywhere.
jimbojones091 4 months ago
I wish this was no rules fight. Karate guy would have probably won!
teslic100 4 months ago
@teslic100 there were no rules.
ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@ThePinkMan Not correct. Eye gouging, groin strikes, throat strikes, small joint manipulation was still prohibited in the earlier UFC events. However, doesn't make any difference in this fight. The karateka obviously trained for sport competition and not self defense and in the end he sucked at both.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 Wrong. Only eye-gounges and groin strikes were supposed to be illegal, but because a fighter couldn't be disqualified (Only fined) that meant there were no real rules.
In regards to the karateka training for sport: Wrong again. The demonstration video the karateka sent in to the UFC featured him taking full-force blows to the groin and throat.
ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@ThePinkMan So they weren't DQ but fined meaning they were still restricted to do it meaning it was a rule....... Thanx for pointing that out. 2nd, I didn't ask for what he demonstrated. I asked for what he trained for with right here seems to be for competitive reasons. If he trained to eye gouge then why didn't he do in the clinch if were not any rules as you say? Would of been far too easy from that distance. From what I saw, he even had a hard time getting a good punch in though.
tman229 4 months ago
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ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@tman229 By the way, the karateka (Ryan Parker) was a pressure point specialist and not a competition guy. Competitive karate in any form looks drastically different than what he did.
ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@tman229 He might've figured Pardoel could gouge him in return or bite his fingers if they got near his mouth. The reality is that no matter how much you train to eye-gouge, everyone else in the world is going to be roughly as good at it as you are.
Plus, the eyes aren't magic buttons. I guarantee you I've been intentionally gouged for real in HS wrestling than most karate instructors have in their lives. Not once did it keep me from pinning anybody or taking them down.
ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@ThePinkMan Yup. Once you got your hands on them, don't need your eyes.
nate556 4 months ago
@tman229 Also, to see the points I'm trying to make about eye-gouging, watch this videos:
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Nakai's larger opponent Gordeau repeatedly gouged his eyes, but Nakai still defeated him. Gordeau previously had bitten Royce Gracie in their fight, but lost that one as well.
The reality is that the allowance eye-gouges and bitting won't help you if the person you're fighting has more skill than you.
ThePinkMan 4 months ago
@ThePinkMan The video doesn't even work. Also repeatedly gouge his eye? Makes no sense... One eye gouge should of been enough to damage the eyes permenantly yet he did more than one and was still able to see? LOL. Also who said anything about biting. Strikes to the eye, strikes and grip crush to the throat, strikes to the groins, small joint manipulation. All these I named and some others can be easily used at close range especially when being grappled. But believe what you want. Not my problem
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 this is kinda sport fighting, not death fighting, so no eye gouges, groin strikes, bites, etc. just the rules.
MrL33tnoob 4 months ago
@MrL33tnoob That's what I was saying.
tman229 4 months ago
@tman229 well im sorry because i cant find your comment that says so. or maybe im stupid again....