Oppenheimer Report: Interview with Danny Ayalon

[steute2011]

Israel is willing to do everything, but comply with International Law and end the occupation! Did Israel get Palestinian approval before they went to the UN for membership?

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@steute2011

Yes, the Arab-Jewish Treaty on Jewish Homeland in Palestine shows that there was agreement and it was not only for what became Israel, but for all of Palestine, meaning all of Jordan and Israel. I agree with you that 1948 or 1967 cannot be where the borders are located, but the actual legal border of all of Jordan and Israel being the land of the Jews, if you want to do things legally with approval, as your comment states.

Sadly, your hypocrisy is once again in the way of logic.

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@abbienetvision I can only guess you are referring to the Mandate for Palestine, which did NOT imply all of Palestine was to be a homeland for the Jews, but rather IN Palestine. Further evidence of this is the portion that says "it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". In any case, this agreement was abandoned by the British and turned over to the UN,due to the Zionist terrorism.

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@abbienetvision I can only guess you are referring to the Mandate for Palestine, which did NOT imply all of Palestine was to be a homeland for the Jews, but rather IN Palestine. Further evidence of this is the portion that says "it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".In any case, this agreement was abandoned by the British and turned over to the UN,due to the Zionist terrorism.

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@steute2011

So we agree that the Palestine Mandate granted Jews the irrevocable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, a right unaltered in international law and valid to this day. Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria (i.e. the West Bank), Gaza and the whole of Jerusalem are legal.)

Any Arab who sold his land or left i, as well as all of Jordan is Jewish territory. This was and is still LEGAL!

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@abbienetvision You act as if the Israeli government has nothing to do with the settlements? The fact that Israel is the occupying force in a territory acquired by war, it can not transfer it's population into said territory! These things have already been adjudicated by the authorized bodies. I know you think you can somehow manipulate international law to suit your fairy tale, but it just makes you look foolish when you try to suggest that the whole world has got wrong!

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@steute2011

Lord Caradon: “The essential phrase which is not sufficiently recognized is that withdrawal

should take place to secure and recognized boundaries, and these words were

very carefully chosen: they have to be secure and they have to be recognized. They

will not be secure unless they are recognized..I know the 1967 bordervery well.. it is where troops had to stop in 1947, just where they happened to be that night, that is not a permanent boundary ... "

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@abbienetvision Let's suppose he did in fact say this. How does this translate to an exclusive right for Israel to have secure and recognized borders and not the Palestinians? Furthermore, he could have just as well been implying that Israel should be eventually end up behind the Resolution 181 partition lines, which if we consider the preamble of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war would make much more sense.

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Mr. Michael Stewart (Sec State Foreign Affairs) to Parliament 17Nov1969:

Question: "What is the British interpretation of the wording of the 1967 Resolution? Does the Right Honourable Gentleman understand it to mean that the Israelis should withdraw from all territories taken in the late war?"

Mr. Stewart: "No, Sir. That is not the phrase used in the Resolution. The Resolution speaks of secure and recognized boundaries. These words must be read concurrently with the statement on withdrawal."

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@abbienetvision Definition of preamble according to Merriam-Webster: 1. A preliminary or preparatory statement; an introduction. 2. The introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification. Now here is the preamble for Resolution 242: "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security." There can be no question as to the spirit of Res.242

[steute2011]

Let's start with Israel's membership to the UN (Resolution 273), which stipulated implementation of Resolutions 181 and 194. This of course was never done, as we all know. So is Israel's UN membership null and void? Now to the Oslo Accords (1993)...It was anticipated that this arrangement would last for a five-year interim period during which a permanent agreement would be negotiated (beginning no later than May 1996).

[steute2011]

Neither side fulfilled it's obligations under the Oslo Accords. The Israelis with the expansion of settlements, therefore altering the final status issues and the Palestinians by not renouncing violence. In any case the agreement was meant to be a temporary fix, until the final status issues could be resolved based on Resolution 242. The state being proposed by the Palestinians is based on 242, so what's the fuss?

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@steute2011

UN242 states that land will go back to the Arabs, but it was specifically worded, and lots of time was spent on it to leave out the word ALL THE LAND, since Israel was not safe with those borders. For some background info, I have lived in Tiberias where on the north of the Sea of Galili Israelis were regularly shot at from above (Syria was there.) Even though the land was in Israel, it was within gun shooting range and no Israeli could safely travel around that small body of water

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@abbienetvision You seem to parrot the common misinformation and convenient misinterpretation of existing agreements / resolutions. This one is right out of the Dershowitz play book, wherein you allege that since the word "the" is absent from the sentence that the Resolution did not call for withdrawal from all the occupied territories. This is blatantly false... (Cont.)

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@abbienetvision You must but those words in the context of the whole sentence and preamble, i.e., "Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" with the preamble ""inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security." So the test is what territories were occupied during the recent conflict? West Bak, Gaza and Golan Heights!

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@steute201

Here are the words of the founders of the resolution:

Lord Caradon (Chief Drafter) "Much play has been made of the fact that we didn’t say “the” territories or “all the” territories. But that was deliberate. I myself knew very well the 1967 boundaries and if we had put in the “the” or “all the” that could only have meant that we wished to see the 1967 boundaries perpetuated in the form of a permanent frontier.This I was certainly not prepared to recommend."

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[steute2011]

@abbienetvision You are truly shameless in your quest to distort the spirit of this Resolution, as you are now using alleged statements as fact, when they came from sources like the Jerusalem Post.

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@steute2011

Moron, I never used the Jerusalem Post as a source for anything here! Nice try, but a totally ignorant claim!

To think that you and your wife are thinking that going back to the lines of 1967 would be good for anyone in the world, just shows a lack of information. From 1949-1967 Jerusalem was closed to all religions except Islam. Christians, Jews, and all others were not allowed to pray or even see the sites. Is that what you want? Can you think for yourself at all?

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@abbienetvision Dick cheese, that statement that you quoted by Lord Caradon was allegedly made to the Jerusalem Post on January 23, 1970! You are a complete retard, you referencing quotes without knowing the source and calling other people "morons". You have shown yourself to be nothing more than the average parrot of the Israel narrative, with nothing original to your argument. Same old tactic of throwing a bunch of shit against the wall and hoping something sticks.

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@steute2011

Mr. Michael Stewart, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs,in Parliament, 9 Dec 1969: "As I have explained before, there is reference, in the vital United Nations Security Council Resolution, both to withdrawal from territories and to secure and recognized boundaries. As I have told the House previously, we believe that these two things should be read concurrently and that the omission of the word 'all' before the word 'territories' is deliberate."

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@steute201

SECURE AND RECOGNOZED BOUNDARIES!!! Which word confuses you? To this day the Palis refused to recognize even one inch of Israel

Even your quote from Lord Balfour is totally irrelevant, since no Balfour was involved in UN242. What the fuck is a Jewish girl doing with an idiot like you? While the Golan was acquired in 1967, Lord Balfour and the declaration was in 1917! In fact, Lord Balfour died in 1930!! Stupidity taken to the extreme, are my only words for you!

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@abbienetvision Which part of "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security." and "Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" don't you understand? My wife is with me because of options like yourself, which are not very appealing and short in certain departments, if you know what I mean?

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@steute2011

Thanks for showing your total stupidity by quoting Lord Balfour (then removing your comment.) You can look up 242 and see that it calls first (#1) for a just and lasting peace prior to any withdrawal, and it took 5 days to word, leaving out the words "the" and "all". To deny this fact, again shows your personal bias, refusing to read, understand and instead take it out of context.

As long as Israel is not recognized by the Palis, there can be no withdrawal from the disputed areas.

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@abbienetvision A typo hardly qualifies someone as stupid. Quoting a statement allegedly made to the Jerusalem Post (hardly biased) is extremely stupid. Again the test for any sane person is "what territories were occupied during the recent fighting (1967 war)? That can not be taken "out of context", as the preamble is your context. Certainly I will concede that in the absence of a peace treaty, there should be no requirement for withdrawal from the occupied territories.

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@steute2011-AGAIN...NOTHING I HAVE WRITTEN IS IN OR WAS EVER FROM THE JPOST!!!

You have taken it out of context, since those who were the drafters of the resolution have clarified it time and time again, but you want to decide the interpretation on your own, regardless of any type of facts.

The Jews are not the ones who bomb the palis indiscriminately, the Israelis do not teach their kids to kill Arabs, the Israelis recognize all arab countries, like Jordan (80% Pali population)

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision Yes, it was not the "Jews" that bombed (in some case, with white phosphorus) the hospitals, schools and Mosques in Gaza, but rather the Israeli air force. Jewish people around the world have disassociated themselves from these actions, but you would probably call them "self hating Jews' or "traitors". What was the population of Arabs in Mandate Palestine prior to 1920? Try 80%!

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@steute2011

Mandate palestine included Syria, Jordan and Israel..stupid...today Jordan has zero Jews, same with Gaza, but you know how many lived there before 1949? What about how many Jews lived in the Arab countries, which were absorbed by Israel? Half of the Jews in Israel are from Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon,Syria, etc.

ignorance is your name here!

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision Half of the Jewish people now living in Israel were voluntarily repatriated from Arab countries and not refugees at all...Ass crack! Once again you have parroted another exaggeration "the 700,000 to 1,200,000 Jewish refugees that were forced out of Arab countries". You assholes have no shame in exploiting Jewish tragedies to garner sympathy for your sinister causes.

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@steute2011

Idiot...when the choice was either give up your land to Muslims at their will and be killed by them at their will, or move to Israel, there was no CHOICE!

The fact that your brain is clearly too small to think, doesn't change the facts. It is like saying the Jews who went to USA from Germany did so by choice, since they didn't want to be killed by the Nazis. It only shows again how totally moronic you are. Thanks for showing everyone that reads this comment section too.

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@steute2011

President Lyndon Johnson, 10 September 1968:

"We are not the ones to say where other nations should draw lines between them that will assure each the greatest security. It is clear, however, that a return to the situation of 4 June 1967 will not bring peace. There must be secure and there must be recognized borders..."

The amount of proof I can bring you is overwhelming, but your opinion, you think, is the ultimate decider..like I said, you are stupid!

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@abbienetvision You are a typical run of the mill idiot, who thinks that he can manipulate the spirit and stated purpose of existing documents by using selective alleged quotes and present them as "proof". These are opinions after the fact, of which there are many that you have not mentioned, because they do not suit your narrative. Like I said you are just another parrot, with the typical failed tactics.

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@steute2011

So, in your opinion, as the king of the idiots, you believe that a man who wrote about the resolution in 1980 is more knowledgeable about the meaning of it than those who wrote it, were politically involved at the time, even the President of the US at that time you are calling wrong, or a parrot, or whatever morons like you call those who are so much smarter than you are and have explained things in simple words!

Do you have some form of retardation? No joke intented

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@steute2011

So, in your opinion, as the king of the idiots, you believe that a man who wrote about the resolution in 1980 is more knowledgeable about the meaning of it than those who wrote it, were politically involved at the time, even the President of the US at that time you are calling wrong, or a parrot, or whatever morons like you call those who are so much smarter than you are and have explained things in simple words!

Do you have some form of retardation? No joke intented

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@steute2011

I just realized by your last idiotic comment that you are NOT AN AMERICAN, SINCE EVERY AMERICAN KNOWS MY NAME IS A FEMALE NAME! The only place that my name is male is in Muslim shit hole countries, like the one you are from! Go back to your flea bag crap hole and leave my land. I have family generations in USA, while you came from Sudan just a few years ago!!! LEAVE MY COUNTRY...Mohamed is a dog, Laying with your mom again? Or was it your 5 yr old little sister today? Sick Muzzie

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision I am not the dual citizen, with a dual loyalty. You are! "Every American knows my name is female"? Really? Sudan of all countries? Is that were your father is from? I finally figured out why you have such a problem with Muslims...You father was a Muslim, who abandoned you and your mom when you were just a small BOY (before your sex change). This is why you believe they are all bad. I suggest counseling, they even have 24hr hot lines you can call. Help is just a phone call away!

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@steute2011

If I had been male, I would have stayed male, happily, since men have an easy life, only need to go to school &learn, work, sadly you couldn't work out these simple tasks though.

As a woman, I had to learn, to work, know how to keep a house, how to raise kids, go to more doctors &worry about a million more things. I always have said that I would have loved to have been born a man, but you are not one, so you cannot know what it is like, you pussy, coward, stupid, inbred Muzzie.

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@steute2011

You are not a duel citizen, being a fucking Somalia Muslim make you a citizen of Somalia, not USA, you dumb fuck! Get off my land, we don't want stupid, smelly, Muslim squatters who have nothing to offer anyone. Go back to your camel, I hear he misses your daily fuck and you eating his cum!

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision You are 100% correct, I am not a dual citizen like you! This is not your land, Israel is! Oh, then again, did God give you the US too? Ah shit! When us American citizens revolt, all of you dual Israeli citizens will be deported in mass. You should leave now and save yourself the trouble. After all your loyalty lies with Israel, so why the fuck are you living here? I never understand that about you pro-Israel idiots, go live there and stop begging for US support!

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@steute2011

You have outdone your stupidity again! I do not live in America! I am a 3rd generation American who lives in Israel, you stupid Muzzie pedophile!Being from Sudan and spawned in USA only makes you an American by birth, that is why the law about having birth to anything in usa and they becoming american citizens must be changed...so much scum like you calling themselves Americans, even though you can never be a true American

Giving allegiance to allah and raping your baby sis show it

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision The only other possibility I thought of, is that you were gang raped by an Imam after your sex change and you are traumatized. I fully understand your anger, but there is help out there for you. If you get help, then you won't feel the need to rant bigotry on YT like some spoiled child.

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@steute2011

Have you been fucking your imam? Seems so, since it is your idea. You don't have divided loyalty, like most all Muzzies you side with Islam, you are a slave to Moohamed, loyalty is only to Islam and you hate USA. You beat and rape your wife and she is not able to even decide anything for herself. If she was Jewish, you have made her convert, probably threatened her and let your male friends suck on her tits, as written in your sick, evil Queeran. Leaving Islam is the only cure!

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@abbienetvision Is that what you call that slit the surgeon left behind between your legs when he removed your tiny penis...a "muzzie"? That a pretty weird name for a snatch. I just got off the phone with your real dad in Gaza and he said to tell you he still loves you, even though he abandoned you! I hope that makes you feel a little better? Oh, He also expressed great sorrow at finding out that you changed your sex. ALLAH AKBAAR, If I didn't spell it right, it's because I'm Irish... you Cunt!

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@steute2011

Are you just upset that your dick is smaller than 2" when hard, so your boyfriend is complaining that he cannot feel it and the goat doesn't even move when you stick it in him. So unfortunate, but I get the anger, when your parents who are also brother and sister created you and they were from also brother and sister, down the line for generations, the dick and the brain are both affected

No question that you live in Detroit, which has an 80% HS dropout rate, creating Muzzie anger

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision It would be bigger, had you donated the 2 inches that you had amputated to me, but you probably ate it. How did it feel when you got banged for the first time as a chick or did you insist on a asshole only policy? Did you have your Adams apple shaved down? I have never spoken to a trans-testicle person, so I have many questions. What made you do it? You prune faced, fat, hairy chested bitch. I can't believe some desperate man actually slept with you. Eew...I just got a visual!

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@abbienetvision It would be bigger, had you donated the 2 inches that you had amputated to me, but you probably ate it. How did it feel when you got banged for the first time as a chick or did you insist on a asshole only policy? Did you have your Adams apple shaved down? I have never spoken to a trans-testicle person, so I have many questions. What made you do it? You prune faced, fat, hairy chested bitch. I can't believe some desperate man actually slept with you. Eew..I just got a visual!

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@steute2011

You had the only 2" you had amputated? So now you just have a nub and cannot even jack off? I guess that explains your anger, and the inbreeding is your explanation for the brain damage! You say you have a wife? LOL

I love a good laugh in the morning, it always makes my day. Your tweezers cannot be considered a wife, idiot!

You say you have no adams apple? Hmmm...no dick and no adams apple? Could be again due to inbreeding, but I am not sure! Luckily nobody can or would be w/you!

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision Would you like to borrow my tweezers to pluck your chest and face hairs? Husbans don't usually come with batteries, but I guess if you gave it a name and talk to it, then perhaps? What's your vibrator / husbands name? Duracell? Now go back to listening to your idle and prophet Glenn Beck! You guys make a great team...retards of a feather , flock together!

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@steute2011

What did you write? That you bought a blow up sex toy which is like your 5 yr old brother? Sicko...stop fucking your little brother and eating his cum, you sick fuck, who knows nothing.

Just yesterday Abbas spoke in Ramallah about the "occupation", he talked about "63 years of 'occupation'".

63 yrs? For idiots, like you to get it, it means all of Israel is occupied in his sick mind,which is similar to your small moronic brain, damaged & worthless

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@abbienetvision You seem to have an obsession with child sex? You had better get some help with that. Abbas, like many Palestinians consider the whole of Palestine to be occupied, including Israel proper. That's no secret...Then again, I am not sure if you get cable at the whorehouse? I like to stick with what the adjudicative bodies have deemed to be occupied, you know..like the West Bank and Gaza by way of the blockade?

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@steute2011

Now you want to claim a blockade on Judea and Sumaria?

Here is a simple vid that you may understand.All for kids over 5 yrs old, so your chance of understanding is quiet high, although cannot be guaranteed. Please try to stop thinking about raping little kids for the few minutes of the vids, if you can, so you can pay attention to content

Debunking the Palestine Lie v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

Top 3 reasons why anyone (in their right mind) should not support a Palestinian state v=Z7M8itRW4yg

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision So now I will give you another alleged quote from Lord CARADON...You can also quote his alleged comment: "It was from occupied territories that the Resolution called for withdrawal. The test was which territories were occupied. That was a test not possibly subject to any doubt. As a matter of plain fact East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan and Sinai were occupied in the 1967 conflict. It was on withdrawal from occupied territories that the Resolution insisted"

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Eugene Rostow, helped draft UN242 said that resolution required agreement on "secure and recognized" boundaries, which, as practical matter, and as matter of interpreting resolution, had to precede withdrawals and he did not see how anyone could seriously argue, in light of history of resolution in Security Council, withdrawal to borders of June 4th was contemplated.

Had the lines (which were never "BORDERS") been safe and secure,Israel wouldn't have been terrorized constantly from those lines

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@steute2011

As for the Oslo Accords, if Arafat had accepted and signed it, just think of how many settlements would not have been built. The Arab greed keeps them from getting anything, if you give them a finger, they will want the hand. Give them a hand and they will want the whole arm.

Every concession Israel has made has resulted in new forms of terror:

Giving Gaza: rockets daily/weekly to kill civilians

S.Lebanon withdrawal: Hezbollah free weapons &firing

Sinai is now full of terrorists

[steute2011]

@abbienetvision I assume here you are referring to the so called "best deal" proposed to the Arabs, i.e., 2000 Camp David? Contrary to popular belief, what was offed after considering the Jewish only roads that would connect the settlements to Israel proper, amongst other things, left nothing more than a bunch of bantustans. I guess that's a good excuse to build new settlements?

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@abbienetvision You constantly mention the terrorist groups that use terror to fight their occupiers, I wonder if you recognize that they may have learned this from the Zionists themselves? You will recall that the early Zionist gangs (Irgun, Stern and Haganah) used terrorism to fight the British, who they viewed as occupiers...So isn't it the same?

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@steute2011

Change of subject? No choice, since you would have to admit that Oslo didn't work since Arafat didn't sign it and instead started the intifada!

Is Gaza occupied, is Lebanon Occupied, is Jordan occupied, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc? Your reasoning is faulty, since occupation and hatred, the islamic caliphate and the murder of innocent civilians is not only in Israel. Gaza could have been a great place, but the citizens chose terror over an economy. Israel is surrounded too