They always taught us in Aviation school to go around when ever in doubt or feel uncomfortable. Had to do it several times usually to extreme crosswind but I'd rather spend a little extra money on fuel than to pay for the entire aircraft or hospital bill!
a good landing starts at the take off..... Did you check the weather at destination? what are the stats for your plane? whats the length of the runway? did you get the atis for the airport? how heavy are you? Pilot error!!!!!!!!!!!
@44lucas rwy 28 is hardly ever used and its for that very reason....becuase the rwy is too short, if you needed to go around you would not have the room to climb out and would hit the hill, the road and people.
@robertgift Well the insurance company probably wrote it off as a loss and just cut a check and was done with it altogether. Next would come the salvage company. They would buy the wreck and go over it to see what was salvageable. Wet avionics, no good. Collapsed nose gear, fixable. Hydraulicly bending rods in the engine after sucking in seawater, not fixable. So now you have a engine-less, instrument-less shell. Should be good for $12,000-$17,000 and if nothing major was bent, flyable again!
This is a classic case of poor speed control on final approach and being comitted to land. Every instructor will tell you those are both no-no's for this exact reason. If there was an abnormal situation on board, that could, of course, provide an out. But with both engines turning on final, I suspect it was simply a pilot in over his head.
Wow, but we must be kind to the pilot, that kind of approach, is HARD. Although you should only land at that airport if you have the ability to, It looks as if it was just a once in a while mistake. There could have been many reasons why the pilot didn't go around. He could have been really short on fuel, and a ditching or crash landing would have been necessary. What ever the reason, it was a dreadful approach. At least the pilot has a haha moment right up until he sees the bill.
I See nothing wrong with that landing ,,,,, Have had the same problem myself , but he chose the optional sand brake technique . And i think it is a goat bt the way ....Or a very small cow .
@MrCriticOfAll Hey sport! I haven't piloted at all. I'm just a critic. Hand me the keys and I'll fly us out of here. It can't be that hard. Lemme pop this beer.
Well...human factor...little experience...short runway....to fast (airspeed)...to high approach...sometimes better full gas and go around...thats all.
At the beggining i thought this was another image followed by documentary type of thing... but it acctually shows some footage.! Thanx :) I loved the video.
Too high, too fast, resultant ground effect, forcing the plane down, realizing he overcooked it, not enough speed to go-around before running out of runway, lock the brakes, veer off to extension...too late. This, people, is pilot error due to what pilots call "Get-there-itis". He walked away...and learned a very important lesson: DON'T RUSH YOURSELF! Extra avgas is cheaper than a plane...or human lives.
to high to fast on aproach wheels should have been on the ground befor the label and power off breaks on or , get out , power on ,colum back full flap head ,to windward ,try again ,,,,,,,,,
@kz4506 I don't know of many go around procedures that call for full flaps. Other than that, though, you're right on. Many airplanes, especially vintage planes, don't have the horsepower necessary to overcome the drag associated with full flaps in a climb. Usually, if flaps are required for a takeoff in light twins and singles, just one or two notches (5-20 degrees) will suffice.
No he went to the left because he used differential breaking and turned the front gear. Whenthe plane was sideways it just kept sliding. the pilot problably hoped to turn and continue on the side.
The pilot swirled because he needed to lose speed fast so he turned left and right not because his tire blew. It's a way for pilots to brake faster if there is not much runway left.
@danoob2110 noob is right......that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I've been flying for 40 years and I've never heard anything like that in my flying career. "swirled" what the hell does that even mean !!! Stick to the computer flying noob......
@Tom24328 I don't get what you mean the first thing you say. The word "swirled" is not an action that is performed by pilots, it has a meaning to it [Dictionary](Cause to move in such a pattern). What he did was he used a "ground loop", which was to turn the plane rigorously left and right. Sorry but i think you need to get your grammar check before flying in a paper plane.
@danoob2110 nope.....the first thing I said was that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard.....swirled came later. And what you are describing is not a ground loop.....a ground loop is a complete 360.......look it up if you dont believe me. I know what swirled means dipshit.....just not the correct word in this context. Oh and right now I'm flying the DO-328 Prop for a Nascar team out of Concord, NC. Oh....and I could give a shit whether you think I'm a pilot or not.
@Tom24328 Oh and what plane are you flying in? I'm just curious because people keep claiming that they have over 40 years of flying experience. Last thing, i'm still using the computer right? and so are you.
@danoob2110 Nope dipshit.......9000 hrs total......8000 turbine multi.......type rated in 5 different airplanes BE300,BE1900, DO-328, D328Jet and Citation Excel. That's assuming you even know what a type rating is. I'll explain it to you if you need.
The code is TFFJ. The scenery in FSX is poorly done, you need an add-on to fly the actual apporach. The original, is not even close to reality. As for X-Plane, I've never flown this approach in it, but it's TFFJ if you wanna try to find it. Good luck,.
They cannot land from the opposing side because the prevailing wind is from the water towards the land. In landing situation that could push the plane down and crash it.
@jamesk5 They land from the other side only if the wind changes. In my prior posting I answered the question for the person that asked why did they land towards the body of water. It seems that landing in that direction causes the most problems because planes must decent rapidly. Some less experienced pilots might have a problem to put their plane down because of a ground effect. I think that this plane was dealing with that problem.
@hhds113 true but for many islands they use the longest bit of flatish land they have. YT Saba. Maybe the runway was fine for tiger moths back in the day :-)
I'm not familiar with AVweb but will seek more info, whoever narrated this did a great job with humor and knowledge. I've been flying since I was 14, got my Pvt when I was 18 and I continually learn from videos like this, Thanks!
ffs why not go for the obvious choice and land from the sea? I assume there's an issue with tail wind, but seems to be better odds than crashing into a bus (or just a tall dude).
@xBDBx honestly, I'd rather crash into the water, and have a chance for a go-around, than to land from the other direction, where there is no go-around, and if you go off the runway you have a large hill in your way to keep you from going anywhere, or from being able to walk or live.
"your inner Sullenberger" hahah... that's my new phrase when instructing. "well that was a bad landing, what did your inner Sullenberger think about that?!" xD
This is easy: Pilot had too much airspeed, which contributed to the ground-effect float. To make it worse, he succumbed to "Get-There-Itis", forcing the plane down when it was clear the wing still had authority via airspeed. Once down, he realized it was too late for a go-around, panicked and stabbed the brakes. Sometimes you gotta just say "Screw this; go-around".
@SenorSpode 50ft AGL - not on slope / not on speed = go around is what i use. early decision is always a good decision, becomes more important too on a short runway like this. I know how after a long flight sometimes all you want to do is get the plane on the ground asap, but the pilot really should of gone around here as soon as they flared and felt the float - no way they were going to wash off the extra airspeed in the distance they had available to them.
@modestmoofan Thanks for the comment back, but I have a question: are you aware of the unique situation of this airport? It is listed as one of the 5 most dangerous in the world because of that ridge smack in front of RWY 10. There's other videos here which can illustrate this better. Landing at this airport requires special certification. Anyway, check it out, we'll talk more.
@SenorSpode Yeah I have seen other videos and the approach does look very challenging. I think in your original post your correct in saying the pilot succumbed to "get-there-itis" he was probably aware of his too high A/S but chose to land anyway. Know how it feels - was landing in Wellington, NZ in a PA38 & was getting absolutely smashed, kneeboard and maps flying all over the place, had to work very hard on approach because the last thing I wanted to do was G/A and spend more time in that wind
@modestmoofan I can understand that, being in a Tomahawk in suck weather. It sucks just as bad in 150s and 152s! Why did you have to bring up old memories, LOL!
@heavybubble41 Unfortunately, some people think so. There is pressure to get there on time, usually self-imposed. They will try to reason that "time is money" or quote the high price of avgas, but in the end they're much cheaper than a wadded-up plane...or injured/dead people.
First mistake: poor landing planning. When you know (as you should) that the runway is short you try to avoid coming fast and high; if you do come high and fast you should have the go-aroung option more in your mind than usual. On the other hand, there's no particular merit in the performance of the commercial flight. Twin otters need a lot less runway distance; they are stol; you cross the fence at 85 and you're near 75 or less on the numbers; then, you have reverse pitch.
@dddmichaelt Some old Cessnas and Pipers have manual flaps as far as i know.
the reason I tell you that manual flaps works better is because how quick are flaps to be set. Manual flaps can be set from up to full and the up in less than 1 second, electric flaps otherwise takes long time, so if you retract flaps it's ok, but if your descent is faster than you planned, then you won't have the time needed to put a flap setting again before you either bounce, porpoise or break the landing gear
The guy was not on a stable approach to begin with, The touch down spot is marked, he should have gone around. He was to fast, most certain holding at least Vy se +. In the Aztec, one of my favorite airplanes, You get on a stable approach angle and you hold 80 Kts cross the threshold and land, then stop. No different that 18 at the old Waterford Airport at Waterford Ct. Hill and the end and a Interstate and trees. 1900 feet. C model Aztecs. And all kinds of Pipers.
To anyone who is learning to fly, remember this: GO-AROUNDS ARE NOT EMBARRASSING! Doing a go-around when an approach has gone badly shows that, despite the fact that you're only human and thus make mistakes, you can still be a good pilot. NOT doing a go-around when you should have usually ends up being embarrassing (or worse).
@ThePilot314 Without knowing the full facts we can only speculate. I love it when these armchair experts think they know it all. Wheres the accident report you guys have been reading? comments like a good pilot goes around instead of crashing" is really only showing one quality that pilots all have and thats to bitch and moan.
@ThePilot314 As I said before you do not know the full circumstance so commenting only makes you look like a fool. Just because the engine seemed to be running doesn't neccessarily mean he could of gone around.
@ThePilot314 I hear the guy in the video loud and clear, he sounds like a Turkey not a professional pilot. Leave the critiquing to the investigators, by the way what is your pilots licence number?... as I will remember never to employ your lazy ass.
NOW YOU SHOW YOUR REAL FACE! YOU ARE GOD AND WE PILOTS ARE ALL PC-MS-AMATEURS. WHAT A SCRUBBI LITTLE AND PRIMITIVE CANDLE YOU ARE!
DO NEVER TRY TO DISCUSS WITH REAL PILOTS .......YOU WILL SHOW VERY QUICKLY THAT YOU HAVE NO HUNCH!
PS: May be you have been flying as one of these PAXES, knowing everything better and giving applause after touch down as you do not know why a plane can fly!
PPS: A last information to you ……… you can never steer the ailerons by your cell phone.
@ThePilot314 Let me tell you a secret in Aviation that you would of heard of from the beginning. You can be as professional as you like but unfortunately its not what you know......ITS WHO YOU KNOW!..
I'd rather be an employed professional pilot rather than recreational pilot with a professional attitude.
@sheetbug I love the part of this thread where it only took one remark from you to illicit some all-caps. Good work, you've succeeded in your mission. Now you should probably find something better to do than start youtube fights. It's unbecoming of the Iraq veteran, taikwondo fighting, skydiving, explorer, tough-guy you claim to be on your channel. It might make some people skeptical that all that awesomeness could be concentrated into one body, but I know you wouldn't lie like that.
That pilot froze up with fear when he could have gunned it and went around! If you think about it, that could happen to anyone in that situation. I hope no one got hurt to badly other than their pride, their airplane and a huge dose of embarrasment. I have to admit thats quite cool how that other pilot in the much bigger plane was able to skim down the hill, LAND and take the FIRST turn off! Thats the guy I want flying me around!
Nice video and commentary. I don't know anything about flying, but watching that was very interesting, especially to see the guys who really know how to do these landings. Excellent stuff.
That's what happens when you hold too much speed over the threshold. He needed to be going a bit slower before diving down the hill, so that when he flared, rather than a controlled stall down to the tarmac, it just kept on flying. I'd HATE to try and land on that SOB runway without some serious practice somewhere, which he seems to have missed.
the reason why is because people go here and expect they can master it but they cant and thats is where most of the crashes come from but the people that trained and got their wings here are the really master of the approach. Its in the report
Pretty simple really and the commonest problem on short field ops; too fast, too fast, too fast. If he or she'd dumped the flaps over the button they might have just got away with it (and some severely skinned tires). Maybe.
@SitaEnvironmental Actually, the direction signs announce a "round intersection" in 30 meters (around 100'). Then, it also reminds you that "you do not have priority" to enter in this intersection. People already in the intersection (coming from your left) do have priority. You can see the inverted triangle which indicates the line to stop if traffic's coming.
i'm far from a pilot but that runway sucks!! lol Can't see why someone would dive down with - pitch when 99% of landings need + pitch with flaps ..looks like a good place for parachute drops to me lol
They always taught us in Aviation school to go around when ever in doubt or feel uncomfortable. Had to do it several times usually to extreme crosswind but I'd rather spend a little extra money on fuel than to pay for the entire aircraft or hospital bill!
Probowler37 1 day ago
too bad he didnt have reverse thrust :)
CirrusPilotsr20 3 days ago
The sign says 'you don't have priority', as in give way at the roundabout.
Otherwise very nice video!
GoingToBeAPilot1 3 days ago
you can't go around at this airport
morpheus61361 4 days ago
@morpheus61361 Why not? on rwy 10 approach you can.
GoingToBeAPilot1 3 days ago
a good landing starts at the take off..... Did you check the weather at destination? what are the stats for your plane? whats the length of the runway? did you get the atis for the airport? how heavy are you? Pilot error!!!!!!!!!!!
andgate2000 4 days ago
Your an asshole. Sullenberger is a bich , he didn't do anything that any other pilot in the same situation wouldn't have done.
FSEVENMAN 4 days ago
Its a lot of talk for the real reason...shit pilot.
699backstab 6 days ago
@699backstab More like shit aerodrome placement :P
jacksos101 2 days ago
Classic example of ground effect.
eljin00 1 week ago
I take it runway 28 is used more frequently?
44lucas 1 week ago
@44lucas lol.
TheParsonsRS 1 week ago
@44lucas rwy 28 is hardly ever used and its for that very reason....becuase the rwy is too short, if you needed to go around you would not have the room to climb out and would hit the hill, the road and people.
masterman3178 1 week ago
lol "float fest"
maetar 1 week ago
He has enough speed to coast to Costa Rica...
lol
UnshavenStatue 1 week ago
Fantastic video with good constructive commentary. Thanks!
ellzyss 1 week ago
What happens to this aircraft? AIRCRAP - or can it be inspected and re-certified airworthy?
I am worried about stresses on the airframe from that sudden deceleration.
Why did the pilot not throttle up and do a go around?
Thank you.
(Love the photo at :30)
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@robertgift Well the insurance company probably wrote it off as a loss and just cut a check and was done with it altogether. Next would come the salvage company. They would buy the wreck and go over it to see what was salvageable. Wet avionics, no good. Collapsed nose gear, fixable. Hydraulicly bending rods in the engine after sucking in seawater, not fixable. So now you have a engine-less, instrument-less shell. Should be good for $12,000-$17,000 and if nothing major was bent, flyable again!
KHarvDX 1 week ago
Should have gone around
323tiim 2 weeks ago
He should increase throttle and take off
kevin23677 2 weeks ago
This is a classic case of poor speed control on final approach and being comitted to land. Every instructor will tell you those are both no-no's for this exact reason. If there was an abnormal situation on board, that could, of course, provide an out. But with both engines turning on final, I suspect it was simply a pilot in over his head.
shooter963 2 weeks ago
Full flaps - lowest air speed possible - side slip right to the numbers.
MrJohndl 2 weeks ago
Wow, but we must be kind to the pilot, that kind of approach, is HARD. Although you should only land at that airport if you have the ability to, It looks as if it was just a once in a while mistake. There could have been many reasons why the pilot didn't go around. He could have been really short on fuel, and a ditching or crash landing would have been necessary. What ever the reason, it was a dreadful approach. At least the pilot has a haha moment right up until he sees the bill.
AirCanada04 3 weeks ago
Lol , you crack the beer and i'll roll the joint.
MrCriticOfAll 3 weeks ago
I See nothing wrong with that landing ,,,,, Have had the same problem myself , but he chose the optional sand brake technique . And i think it is a goat bt the way ....Or a very small cow .
johncolinmclay2 3 weeks ago
what airport is this????
stasisnu18 3 weeks ago
Showing off that was a studly landing got stopped that fast!
BreckN9ne 4 weeks ago
Don't forget that go-arounds make you look pretty stupid; almost 1/100th as stupid as running your plane into the ocean.
iamauen 4 weeks ago
@iamauen LMFAO.
MrCriticOfAll 3 weeks ago
I woulda come in hot...a joint in my mouth, a beer between my legs. Approach high and bury that bitch. ....also..I'm not a pilot so go with your gut.
SoCalDualSport 4 weeks ago
@SoCalDualSport Oh okay so you used to fly for some uncertified foreign airline.Cool.
MrCriticOfAll 3 weeks ago
@MrCriticOfAll Hey sport! I haven't piloted at all. I'm just a critic. Hand me the keys and I'll fly us out of here. It can't be that hard. Lemme pop this beer.
SoCalDualSport 3 weeks ago
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JartaMan 1 month ago
The aztec should have put the wheels in the turf.
AugustusLarch 1 month ago
Well...human factor...little experience...short runway....to fast (airspeed)...to high approach...sometimes better full gas and go around...thats all.
cichy1970 1 month ago
oh my ground effect, short of runway, human factor equals disaster.
theCGFinalCut 1 month ago
I need a drink...
MonacoBlast 1 month ago
No...you're missing the point.......noob is derogatory......shit I give up......give up dude...you can't win, have a nice day.
Tom24328 1 month ago
@danoob2110 It says " I know what swirled means dipshit".......dipshit is you.....and its "grammar correct" if we're splitting hairs.....
Tom24328 1 month ago
@Tom24328 Lol whatever, getting back to your reply on my first comment, "noob is right" yeah i'm right bro.
danoob2110 1 month ago
Well......it's a Beach-craft of course.
tobagotb10 1 month ago
At the beggining i thought this was another image followed by documentary type of thing... but it acctually shows some footage.! Thanx :) I loved the video.
dzdice 1 month ago
Almost to fast and to late
lovliman 1 month ago
He should have gone around... Once i was in a familliar predicment training in a cessna 152, and i went around!!!!
pdowty68 1 month ago
Is it just me or did anyone else keep shouting GO AROUND at the screen
rhysmegrrr 1 month ago 31
too many long comments O_O
1337iNSPECTOR 1 month ago
Too high, too fast, resultant ground effect, forcing the plane down, realizing he overcooked it, not enough speed to go-around before running out of runway, lock the brakes, veer off to extension...too late. This, people, is pilot error due to what pilots call "Get-there-itis". He walked away...and learned a very important lesson: DON'T RUSH YOURSELF! Extra avgas is cheaper than a plane...or human lives.
SenorSpode 1 month ago
I'd take that ride simply for the CARNIVAL FUN landing. Overshoot and you splash - how bad?
MrPavePaws 1 month ago
to high to fast on aproach wheels should have been on the ground befor the label and power off breaks on or , get out , power on ,colum back full flap head ,to windward ,try again ,,,,,,,,,
kz4506 2 months ago
@kz4506 I don't know of many go around procedures that call for full flaps. Other than that, though, you're right on. Many airplanes, especially vintage planes, don't have the horsepower necessary to overcome the drag associated with full flaps in a climb. Usually, if flaps are required for a takeoff in light twins and singles, just one or two notches (5-20 degrees) will suffice.
AirplanesIFly 1 month ago
Nice and informative, i like it.
combustercan 2 months ago
I agree, Ah man, i should start reviewing my aviation theory. :o
arshdeep125 2 months ago
high speed, little high approach, ground effect (reduces drag and increases lift capabilities)... no going around..... result: crash!
micheledc 2 months ago
he just want to toch the water
carlosjennifer1 2 months ago
on hills there are up and downwind, I asume that`s what keept the plane from climbing again and pressed it on the runway.
DarkwerefoxRed 2 months ago
No he went to the left because he used differential breaking and turned the front gear. Whenthe plane was sideways it just kept sliding. the pilot problably hoped to turn and continue on the side.
fordelningkid 2 months ago
The pilot swirled because he needed to lose speed fast so he turned left and right not because his tire blew. It's a way for pilots to brake faster if there is not much runway left.
danoob2110 2 months ago
@danoob2110 noob is right......that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I've been flying for 40 years and I've never heard anything like that in my flying career. "swirled" what the hell does that even mean !!! Stick to the computer flying noob......
Tom24328 1 month ago
@Tom24328 I don't get what you mean the first thing you say. The word "swirled" is not an action that is performed by pilots, it has a meaning to it [Dictionary](Cause to move in such a pattern). What he did was he used a "ground loop", which was to turn the plane rigorously left and right. Sorry but i think you need to get your grammar check before flying in a paper plane.
danoob2110 1 month ago
@danoob2110 nope.....the first thing I said was that was the stupidest thing I've ever heard.....swirled came later. And what you are describing is not a ground loop.....a ground loop is a complete 360.......look it up if you dont believe me. I know what swirled means dipshit.....just not the correct word in this context. Oh and right now I'm flying the DO-328 Prop for a Nascar team out of Concord, NC. Oh....and I could give a shit whether you think I'm a pilot or not.
Tom24328 1 month ago
@Tom24328 I don't know why you are swearing but you really have to get your grammar right, "Swirled" isn't dipshit.
danoob2110 1 month ago
@Tom24328 Oh and what plane are you flying in? I'm just curious because people keep claiming that they have over 40 years of flying experience. Last thing, i'm still using the computer right? and so are you.
danoob2110 1 month ago
@danoob2110 Nope dipshit.......9000 hrs total......8000 turbine multi.......type rated in 5 different airplanes BE300,BE1900, DO-328, D328Jet and Citation Excel. That's assuming you even know what a type rating is. I'll explain it to you if you need.
Tom24328 1 month ago
The code is TFFJ. The scenery in FSX is poorly done, you need an add-on to fly the actual apporach. The original, is not even close to reality. As for X-Plane, I've never flown this approach in it, but it's TFFJ if you wanna try to find it. Good luck,.
dehaj2425 2 months ago
Definetely an runway placement fail.
HellFly100 2 months ago
What's the name of this airfield so I can look it up in X-Plane?
Emilio2798 2 months ago
@Emilio2798 I know right? I wanna look it up on FSX
mastervictor123 2 months ago
Definite go around, no second guessing that.
3593893 2 months ago
i no its not funny but i had to laugh
thr33wisemonks 2 months ago
the prevailing winds wouldn't have a significant impact on the aircraft when landing the opposite direction. look it up.
jamesk5 2 months ago
TUMBS UP IF YOU SAW THE COW AT 1:41
Franco13SC 3 months ago 40
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yorgunkarga 2 months ago
@Franco13SC
I t wasn't a cow, it was Laddergoat
IchiTrois 1 month ago
@IchiTrois Mhhhhh somebody watch videos in HD
Franco13SC 1 month ago
@Franco13SC i think it was a horse lol
Rizzybizzy786 4 weeks ago
@Franco13SC it looks like a goat for me
Bittkowski 4 weeks ago
They cannot land from the opposing side because the prevailing wind is from the water towards the land. In landing situation that could push the plane down and crash it.
benz500r 3 months ago
@benz500r they do land from the other side.
jamesk5 2 months ago
@jamesk5 They land from the other side only if the wind changes. In my prior posting I answered the question for the person that asked why did they land towards the body of water. It seems that landing in that direction causes the most problems because planes must decent rapidly. Some less experienced pilots might have a problem to put their plane down because of a ground effect. I think that this plane was dealing with that problem.
benz500r 2 months ago
@benz500r wrong, they land from both runway 10 and 28, Ive seen video of both being done.
dehaj2425 2 months ago
@dehaj2425 Dude, read my full response to the posting right above yours. That would explain everything.
benz500r 2 months ago
This landing strip blows. Who designed it? That's horrible design.
hhds113 3 months ago
@hhds113 true but for many islands they use the longest bit of flatish land they have. YT Saba. Maybe the runway was fine for tiger moths back in the day :-)
hogey74 2 months ago
gosh!!!! it's better to land in one Aircraft carrier than in this airfield!!!
Vadalico 3 months ago
maybe this is a silly question but , why they don't land them from the other side ? seems to be easier :P
MrGeragon 3 months ago
Passenger was a celebrity who demanded to get to the beach asap.
jasonracey 3 months ago 2
Nice commentary, thanks.
pabobfin 3 months ago
He landed with only about 700 ft of runway left. Dummy!
looking4Hisreturn 3 months ago
Crap! That kinda...blows.
Amar7605 3 months ago
I'm not familiar with AVweb but will seek more info, whoever narrated this did a great job with humor and knowledge. I've been flying since I was 14, got my Pvt when I was 18 and I continually learn from videos like this, Thanks!
KonaMan62 3 months ago
ffs why not go for the obvious choice and land from the sea? I assume there's an issue with tail wind, but seems to be better odds than crashing into a bus (or just a tall dude).
xBDBx 3 months ago
@xBDBx honestly, I'd rather crash into the water, and have a chance for a go-around, than to land from the other direction, where there is no go-around, and if you go off the runway you have a large hill in your way to keep you from going anywhere, or from being able to walk or live.
dehaj2425 2 months ago
hahahhahaaha !!!
brewcols 3 months ago
That is Awesome!
CamaraMountClamp 3 months ago
Target fixation ... "Gotta land ... gotta land". When in doubt, climb on out.
Freeflyer91 3 months ago
if in doubt go around.
chrisklein21 3 months ago
What a great video!
bradowpc 3 months ago
...I use a "UFO"... She simply goes up or down... So-oo-oo much easier! However, this, "up or down" is quite jaw-dropping for witnesses...
SittingMooseShaman 3 months ago
Hi fellow ....... you are so right!!!!!
15 kts to much and NO go around!
Like we say in Germany:
The half runway sign is decision mark.
You touched the runway and you will stay on it or you haven’t touched it and you go around for a second ....... better approach.
Wish you all a lot of happy landings!!!!!!
Jo from Germany
ThePilot314 3 months ago
Dumbass
RADIOACTIVEBUNY 3 months ago
"your inner Sullenberger" hahah... that's my new phrase when instructing. "well that was a bad landing, what did your inner Sullenberger think about that?!" xD
4fifty8 3 months ago
Too fast. Too slow decision. Any reaction for runway end. Simply go around.
And that braking... Proudly like in NASCAR ;). That pilot should't fly.
SuperTombox 4 months ago
Very cool video.
TheTopBloke 4 months ago
je crois que je vais pas aller là...
Davmm96 4 months ago
funny how its called a "beechcraft" pun intended
IMACOOLBOY12 4 months ago
This is easy: Pilot had too much airspeed, which contributed to the ground-effect float. To make it worse, he succumbed to "Get-There-Itis", forcing the plane down when it was clear the wing still had authority via airspeed. Once down, he realized it was too late for a go-around, panicked and stabbed the brakes. Sometimes you gotta just say "Screw this; go-around".
SenorSpode 4 months ago
@SenorSpode 50ft AGL - not on slope / not on speed = go around is what i use. early decision is always a good decision, becomes more important too on a short runway like this. I know how after a long flight sometimes all you want to do is get the plane on the ground asap, but the pilot really should of gone around here as soon as they flared and felt the float - no way they were going to wash off the extra airspeed in the distance they had available to them.
modestmoofan 4 months ago
@modestmoofan Thanks for the comment back, but I have a question: are you aware of the unique situation of this airport? It is listed as one of the 5 most dangerous in the world because of that ridge smack in front of RWY 10. There's other videos here which can illustrate this better. Landing at this airport requires special certification. Anyway, check it out, we'll talk more.
SenorSpode 4 months ago
@SenorSpode Yeah I have seen other videos and the approach does look very challenging. I think in your original post your correct in saying the pilot succumbed to "get-there-itis" he was probably aware of his too high A/S but chose to land anyway. Know how it feels - was landing in Wellington, NZ in a PA38 & was getting absolutely smashed, kneeboard and maps flying all over the place, had to work very hard on approach because the last thing I wanted to do was G/A and spend more time in that wind
modestmoofan 4 months ago
@modestmoofan I can understand that, being in a Tomahawk in suck weather. It sucks just as bad in 150s and 152s! Why did you have to bring up old memories, LOL!
SenorSpode 4 months ago
I really wish you could be my flight instructor. =(
office888 4 months ago
they only choice on that is goose it and go around
crotchboots 4 months ago
Is going around that big of a deal?
heavybubble41 4 months ago
@heavybubble41 Unfortunately, some people think so. There is pressure to get there on time, usually self-imposed. They will try to reason that "time is money" or quote the high price of avgas, but in the end they're much cheaper than a wadded-up plane...or injured/dead people.
SenorSpode 4 months ago
why cant they just taceoff twords the beach and land twords the hill
CalebHaggard5 4 months ago
@CalebHaggard5
that will crash agaist the hill instead of the water if the plane overrun the stripe.
wangyoutian 4 months ago
@CalebHaggard5 You must land/takeoff into the wind.
aviationfan1 4 months ago
@aviationfan1 yeah
CalebHaggard5 4 months ago
First mistake: poor landing planning. When you know (as you should) that the runway is short you try to avoid coming fast and high; if you do come high and fast you should have the go-aroung option more in your mind than usual. On the other hand, there's no particular merit in the performance of the commercial flight. Twin otters need a lot less runway distance; they are stol; you cross the fence at 85 and you're near 75 or less on the numbers; then, you have reverse pitch.
sajo2010 4 months ago
In case he cannot touch down, does raising the flaps make any sense?
Trying to reduce floating? I am not a pilot but i like physics. lol
dddmichaelt 4 months ago
@dddmichaelt that also works but not on electric flaps, manual flaps may do the trick
AF401 4 months ago
@AF401 Thanks for replying. Which aircrafts have manual flaps?
Why you cannot retract electric flaps???
dddmichaelt 4 months ago
@dddmichaelt Some old Cessnas and Pipers have manual flaps as far as i know.
the reason I tell you that manual flaps works better is because how quick are flaps to be set. Manual flaps can be set from up to full and the up in less than 1 second, electric flaps otherwise takes long time, so if you retract flaps it's ok, but if your descent is faster than you planned, then you won't have the time needed to put a flap setting again before you either bounce, porpoise or break the landing gear
cheers
AF401 4 months ago 7
IF YOU love your mom then post this to 20 people. A girl ignored this and her mom died 365 days later. Sorry i cant ignore this bcz i love my mom
aliyabanjo 5 months ago
The guy was not on a stable approach to begin with, The touch down spot is marked, he should have gone around. He was to fast, most certain holding at least Vy se +. In the Aztec, one of my favorite airplanes, You get on a stable approach angle and you hold 80 Kts cross the threshold and land, then stop. No different that 18 at the old Waterford Airport at Waterford Ct. Hill and the end and a Interstate and trees. 1900 feet. C model Aztecs. And all kinds of Pipers.
BH206L3 5 months ago
Not even an sorry for the shakiness?
enlilkhalil 5 months ago
To anyone who is learning to fly, remember this: GO-AROUNDS ARE NOT EMBARRASSING! Doing a go-around when an approach has gone badly shows that, despite the fact that you're only human and thus make mistakes, you can still be a good pilot. NOT doing a go-around when you should have usually ends up being embarrassing (or worse).
svorkoetter 5 months ago
Go arounds and running off the end of the runway are both quite embarrassing, one is just a little cheaper than the other.
iamauen 5 months ago
A good pilot shows his quality by GOING AROUND instead of crashing the plane!
ThePilot314 5 months ago 17
@ThePilot314 Without knowing the full facts we can only speculate. I love it when these armchair experts think they know it all. Wheres the accident report you guys have been reading? comments like a good pilot goes around instead of crashing" is really only showing one quality that pilots all have and thats to bitch and moan.
sheetbug 2 months ago
@sheetbug
Sorry ........ but PLEASE READ what i wrote.
To make a go around is the right way to hinder that crash.
During touch down the engines were running and so the PIC able to go around!!!!
AND ......... I AM NOT AN "ARMCHAIR EXPERT". I could tell you my License Number since 1991! ......... but only if you are also a real pilot!
I LOVE THOSE ARMCHAIR PILOTS FLYING ONLY MS-PROGRAMMS AND TELLING REAL PILOTS WHAT IS WRONG!!!!!!!
ThePilot314 2 months ago 2
@ThePilot314 As I said before you do not know the full circumstance so commenting only makes you look like a fool. Just because the engine seemed to be running doesn't neccessarily mean he could of gone around.
sheetbug 2 months ago
@sheetbug
Hey ...... are you not able to HEAR what the fellow says in the vid????
He is also a professional guy!
I am sorry ..... BUT YOU ARE WRONG AND NOT A PROFESSIONAL PILOT!
Over and out! Please do not call me back and leave this frequency!
ThePilot314 2 months ago
@ThePilot314 I hear the guy in the video loud and clear, he sounds like a Turkey not a professional pilot. Leave the critiquing to the investigators, by the way what is your pilots licence number?... as I will remember never to employ your lazy ass.
sheetbug 2 months ago
@sheetbug
NOW YOU SHOW YOUR REAL FACE! YOU ARE GOD AND WE PILOTS ARE ALL PC-MS-AMATEURS. WHAT A SCRUBBI LITTLE AND PRIMITIVE CANDLE YOU ARE!
DO NEVER TRY TO DISCUSS WITH REAL PILOTS .......YOU WILL SHOW VERY QUICKLY THAT YOU HAVE NO HUNCH!
PS: May be you have been flying as one of these PAXES, knowing everything better and giving applause after touch down as you do not know why a plane can fly!
PPS: A last information to you ……… you can never steer the ailerons by your cell phone.
ThePilot314 2 months ago
@ThePilot314 Let me tell you a secret in Aviation that you would of heard of from the beginning. You can be as professional as you like but unfortunately its not what you know......ITS WHO YOU KNOW!..
I'd rather be an employed professional pilot rather than recreational pilot with a professional attitude.
sheetbug 2 months ago
@sheetbug I love the part of this thread where it only took one remark from you to illicit some all-caps. Good work, you've succeeded in your mission. Now you should probably find something better to do than start youtube fights. It's unbecoming of the Iraq veteran, taikwondo fighting, skydiving, explorer, tough-guy you claim to be on your channel. It might make some people skeptical that all that awesomeness could be concentrated into one body, but I know you wouldn't lie like that.
AirplanesIFly 1 month ago
@AirplanesIFly Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something
sheetbug 1 month ago 15
A WAS MAN LISTENS AND LEARNS. A FOOL SAY HE KNOW EVERYTHING
PRIVATEFBI 1 month ago
@sheetbug Very profound my friend.
MrCriticOfAll 3 weeks ago
That pilot froze up with fear when he could have gunned it and went around! If you think about it, that could happen to anyone in that situation. I hope no one got hurt to badly other than their pride, their airplane and a huge dose of embarrasment. I have to admit thats quite cool how that other pilot in the much bigger plane was able to skim down the hill, LAND and take the FIRST turn off! Thats the guy I want flying me around!
martykean1967 5 months ago
No reason to be a hero. Allowed or not, a go around would have made sense to save the plane.
jorgemartinez18 5 months ago
LMFAO!!!!
jorgemartinez18 5 months ago
F that I would have hit TO/GA in the quickness!
motokid032 5 months ago
Nice video and commentary. I don't know anything about flying, but watching that was very interesting, especially to see the guys who really know how to do these landings. Excellent stuff.
TimeMeddler 5 months ago
I now have an inner sullenburger.
RedDevilSquadron 5 months ago
Too fast, then slowing down at mid runway thats the mistake. He should of sped up and made a round.
alex054739 5 months ago
I am actually going to use this for teaching my students. Love your commentary!
fastfiddler1625 5 months ago
50 nuts....Chinese Nuts hehe :P
kidchoco 5 months ago
Thank you, Paul for your comments.
Is :33 a real photograph?
robertgift 5 months ago
Random cow in the street? @ 1:42
DanielDFizzle 5 months ago
That's what happens when you hold too much speed over the threshold. He needed to be going a bit slower before diving down the hill, so that when he flared, rather than a controlled stall down to the tarmac, it just kept on flying. I'd HATE to try and land on that SOB runway without some serious practice somewhere, which he seems to have missed.
Dragonryder813 6 months ago
what a dangerous airport haha
ericsantiago011 6 months ago
never mind i got it....
McVridik 6 months ago
some body nows the NAME OF THE AIRPORT?
got to try this landing in FSX!
McVridik 6 months ago
@McVridik St. Barts
duecpskada 6 months ago
@McVridik Gustaf III Airport, or usually called St. Barts or St. Barths Airport, on the island of Saint Barthélemy in the Caribbean.
Mineav 5 months ago
where did he get his license? the longest runway in the world?
Boltboxer 7 months ago
I always land like this in Flight Simulator :D
PilotSwitzerland 7 months ago
you guys the rules at st barts is that you can NOT go around
FSXflyer12 7 months ago
against
dacoats 7 months ago
Why not land uphill? Wouldn't a downwind landing be safer? given the unhindered beach end?
S10Electric 7 months ago
@S10Electric You have to land against the wind. What went wrong here is that he should have gone around instead of force landing.
2129261184 7 months ago
he's mexican and didn't go around
MrKyvegas00 7 months ago
No shame in a go-around.
Metals999 7 months ago
they needed to come in with full flaps, lower and slower
bristles1000 8 months ago
the reason why is because people go here and expect they can master it but they cant and thats is where most of the crashes come from but the people that trained and got their wings here are the really master of the approach. Its in the report
mboy3515 8 months ago
lol moron. go around you idiot.
mrpilot102 8 months ago
Pretty simple really and the commonest problem on short field ops; too fast, too fast, too fast. If he or she'd dumped the flaps over the button they might have just got away with it (and some severely skinned tires). Maybe.
schlusselmensch 8 months ago
too lazy to go around
ToInfinity1 8 months ago 72
@ToInfinity1 More like too pressured or too cocky to go around.
SenorSpode 4 months ago
@ToInfinity1 Lol I was gonna write t hat.
RADIOACTIVEBUNY 3 months ago
great informative vid!
davedolby85 8 months ago
Nice Vid. The sign at 0:22 says "you do not have priority".
SitaEnvironmental 8 months ago 30
@SitaEnvironmental Actually, the direction signs announce a "round intersection" in 30 meters (around 100'). Then, it also reminds you that "you do not have priority" to enter in this intersection. People already in the intersection (coming from your left) do have priority. You can see the inverted triangle which indicates the line to stop if traffic's coming.
SpidMovie 6 months ago
i'm far from a pilot but that runway sucks!! lol Can't see why someone would dive down with - pitch when 99% of landings need + pitch with flaps ..looks like a good place for parachute drops to me lol
freakyflow 8 months ago
Why Did This Landing Go Wrong? - they crashed?
maureenOWW 8 months ago
wow wwwell to low for a safe landing play the throttle more
thecope125 8 months ago
nice vid
glkoop 8 months ago