I would: Abolish the IRS, Federal Reserve, and not engage in the Illegitimate wars and foreign occupations that this country engages in. Please spare me any replies on the guy who got the CIA,MI-5,Mossad escort past security, with M-80s in his underware.
"Cut government spending like I have done in my own house!" Ohh, so fuckin' true. Let the rich liberals sell their ipods to fund healthcare, welfare, and food stamps. not the government.
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Freedom of the market! Keep jobs in the U.S! Stop over-taxing small business! Government over-taxation forces capitalists to go overseas to procure their wealth.
"Socialism is a frailty that only survives on confiscation of innovation and the weight on the working mans back... capital is humanity"
YEE-HAW! STOP OBAMA CARE! lets keep up the smears my Redneck friends! Because if you don't people will realize Obama is really a good president and we might have to go another 4 years with a Black President! I love staying broke in my trailers and keeping the republicans RICH!
This country has lost its way and its mind. What the fuck happened to REAL men? Stop accepting government handouts, and suffer like our ancestors did. Be a fuckin' man and live in the dirt if you have to. I worked my shitty warehouse job for years upon years trying to move up just so I can be lower-middle class. Fuck anybody that wants the government to baby them like little bitches. Fuck you, seriously.. work any job, starve if you have to. Be human beings again!!!!
This is retarded obama cut taxes for you fools, meanwhile your savoir reagan let poor people starve on the street while real wages dropped and corporations went overseas... Ask the working class poeple in Flint, Cleavland or Detroit how the economy was under deregulation... i'm pretty sure your boy jesus wouldn't have been against universal health care
poor people SHOULD starve on the streets. Better yet, they should starve in the woods like hippies do.. that way my children won't have to be bothered by them begging for money.
Work, earn a wage.. fund your own life ... or kindly die off.
@AbjectConformity like you said you are lower middle class and have apparently worked very hard to do so. Does it not seem unfair that you have not had more opportunity to climb the class ladder based on your own merits? Social mobility is something that can be measured and here in the US it is significantly lower than European countries that have more social welfare policies.
@AbjectConformity The real wealth and wages of the middle class have been declining for the past 30 years in America meanwhile the wealth gap between the rich and the poor has increased significantly. It is back to where it was in the 1930's at the time of the great depression. We are beginning to resemble a third world country in that sense.
@AbjectConformity The way to fix that is by taxing the rich. Contrary to what you are brainwashed (by the wealthy) to think. Socialistic policies (which are not the same as pure socialism or capitalism. Level the playing field so that every person has an equal chance to succeed or fail based on their own merits. It does not kill economic growth to tax the wealthy more as money has decreasing marginal utility. I do not like increasing government either but the fact is it does a better job of
@pamination Socialistic policies force people to become dependent on the government, rather than having a plethora of choices in a private market, and freedom with responsibility.
Every person having an equal opportunity by taxing the rich demonstrates a mentality that it is okay to steal if you feel justified. The government is overstepping it's bounds, as it did in 1930 with the introduction to Welfare. There must be more efficient ways to solve these types of problems, no?
@AbjectConformity It isn't stealing to have everyone pay an equal part in taxes. If someone makes 30k a year and you take 20% they only have 24k left to live off of. If someone makes 40mil a year and you take 60% they still have 16 million left enough to be rich and buy an airplane etc. money has decreasing marginal benefit. currently our tax system is unfair and we are essentially justifying stealing from the poor/ less well off.
@pamination No I don't believe the US should provide health care for the rest of the world that is a dumb question and irrelevant. it would be nice if we could afford that but the US primary goal is the protection of the rights of its citizens. In my opinion equal access to medical care regardless of prior health conditions and economic status is a right of people in post-industrialized nations. That is why everyone but the US does it.
@pamination So anybody that is not a U.S citizen should suffer and die? You're so compassionate!
The point of the question is to demonstrate the absurdity of universal healthcare. The government should not be responsible for taking care of people's food, health, and housing---only to protect people from theft, assault, and burglary so that they may earn these things without them being usurped by others. This shows that, deep down, you do not really believe everyone should have healthcare.
@AbjectConformity The government shouldn't be responsible for education either. Anything that can be privatized should be, in simpler terms. Everybody benefits more when real economy, opportunity, growth, and monetary risks are involved. This is why UPS dominates the LTL and small package industry, and will soon consume the government controlled postal service.
@AbjectConformity The government should be responsible for providing protections for its citizens that the free market cannot do better. Sure the private sector may deliver the mail better. But it certainly would not function for the police service. The police would only protect the rich because they could pay them more money. Same happens in education and in health care. Access to these things are inherent rights to every person. Therefore a system is needed to ensure the poorer get coverage.
@pamination What makes you think that access of "these things" are inherent rights to every person? You're merely imposing your liberal worldview on politics, rather than having a grip on what "inherent rights" are.
How do you know a private system of protection wouldn't perform better than a state controlled police system? What constitutes a better system? You don't know much about the police, obviously, and have apparently never been to public schools.
@AbjectConformity Anyways I am done with this argument. It has been fun I wish we didn't have to have it over the internet though. I am glad you realize that even a (naive crazy liberal...w/e) has similar views to yourself and that instead of calling each other names and screaming that the other is trying to destroy the country we should instead have more dialogue and try to find more commonalities. Because after all we are just Americans right and we gotta live with each other like it or not...
@AbjectConformity You have a bit too many false notions that your arguement is based on. Let me help you to debunk them.
First your question regarding people in other countries is irrelevant. In the why society is set up today we have nation states. I don't really like the idea of dividing ourselves all up into teams but that is how the game goes. We are a part of a country in order to contribute to it and gain protection from its government those too go hand in hand.
@pamination Therefore it provides protection to the private sector. Recently in the 1930's as well it began providing protection as well for people against the tyranny of the private sector. It is our acceptance of the government that allows it to exist as well as the governments acceptance of business and private property and wealth etc. Therefore it can not be considered stealing it if we already agreed upon the system in the first place. Agreed as a majority not individually.
@pamination Recently in the 1930's? hehe. You are right, it is our complacency that allows the government to regulate our lives--- hence the reason for Tea Parties, and a significantly growing opposition that accepts the reality that people may be, for some bizarre reason, responsible for their own lives. Go figure.
@pamination You have some false idea as well that people are somehow going to rely on the government and not be their own people and work etc. This idea is false as well because we are the only first world country on the planet that does not have a system of universal healthcare in place. Yet on average americans go far more to the doctor and we spend far more per person on medical care than any of the other 1st world nations. This brings me to my next point
@pamination So you cannot think for yourself and must follow what other big government countries are doing? Read a world history book before answering that....Me personally, I think that capitalism is the most educated and evolved economic structure that has ever been devised by the human mind. It let's ordinary people embrace their creativity and innovation, and allows us to be champions of our own destinies if we simply take the initiative.
@pamination So your idea of healthcare has boundaries, as do mine. You don't need to be a Philadelphia lawyer to realize that. You do not believe the we should take care of the world's health, and I do not believe we should take care of the country's health. They are merely subtle differences divided up by lines on a map. *shrugs* People just have to get used to experiencing the fact that if they cannot afford things, then they can't have it.
@pamination Steal (v): to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force.
Taking people's money in any amount without their consent is stealing. Is it okay for me to steal from you as long as I use it to benefit others? Any way you slice it, it's still theft. The message that congress is sending out is that stealing is not criminal behavior, which to me is morally presumptuous.
Confiscation of payroll dollars is theft, can we agree on that?
@AbjectConformity We in the US have a form of representative democracy therefore we vote with the intention of laws being made that reflect the ways we want society to be divided up. We decide on what protections we need and then we each contribute money to pay for it. In no way is that stealing because the government in turn protects the private property of its citizens.
@pamination You're simply attempting to justify thievery, again. Let me put it this way: if there are enough voters that support universal healthcare (police departments, road systems, postal systems, etc), then they can willingly donate a percentage of their payroll to finance it adequately. If there are not enough voters to support it, then people will have to rely on themselves, their jobs, their family, churches and other private institutions and charities.
@AbjectConformity The idea of capatalism in the sense in which you describe it is also quite comical. No country has ever willingly submitted itself to capitalism in that sense. The US throughout its existence has constantly intervened on the part of private sector. The entire constitution was set up to protect the pocketbooks of the wealthy that wrote it and protect against tyranny of the majority.
@pamination It's called "laissez faire" capitalism, which means the government has the authority to prevent individuals and groups of individuals against force and fraud but has no responsibility regulating the private market.
The private market, if you don't already know, regulates itself through a system of competition. The majority of business owners in the United States are normal, down-to-earth people that just want to make a living for themselves.
@AbjectConformity Nobody is advocating doing away with capatalism or the free market or the right to make as much money as you possibly can. I don't wanna take money from the rich bc i feel its unfair that they are rich. But I do believe its necessary in a free and rich country to give its citizens the right to prosper based on their own merits. But currently we have a system that inherently destines certain people to fail. Good schools, health care, even welfare helps to alleviate some of that
@pamination (1) You are advocating that capitalism's integrity should be compromised by the government by regulating private decisions and the private market.
(2) A free and prosperous country occurs when individuals are responsible for their own lives, not when the government steals from the rich and gives to the poor so that they can elicit more subordination from the people.
(3) Is government intervention your solution? why not force the poor to stop procreating for their own good?
@AbjectConformity And it is no government intervention is only needed when you are ensuring the rights of your citizens. Things like Due process, free speech, etc as well as things like access to a decent education and access to medical care when you get sick. These things are actually beneficial to the economy because they allow the less well off to become more independent. I respect your views but you should realize they contradict with your socio-economic level.
@pamination How do my views contradict my socio-economic level? I don't understand your point. I also would like to know why you think more government intervention in people's lives, regardless of how poor they are, makes them more independent? Are you saying it is impossible for people to manage their own diet, exercise, education, and money?
@AbjectConformity They contradict your socioeconomic level because would you have been able to afford a good private school if they are all privatized? would you and your family be ok if you arbitrarily got a heart condition and needed a heart transplant?
because sometimes making money contradicts giving better service to more people. police would just try to maximize their profits and therefore would only protect those who would pay them the most... somewhat like insurance companies do now
@pamination We can pay for it though. we just have to find the most efficient way how that doesn't hinder economic growth. Many countries have done it. And a history book won't help me because it is quite recent that northern european countries such as netherlands, norway, sweden, denmark, finland have been able to do this efficiently without hindering economic growth. They beat us on almost every standard from GDP per capita to infant mortality. Its wrong to say we can't learn from others ideas
@pamination competing who has the best country is pointless. There's no way to determine what constitutes what "the best" is. It's abstraction, and you have to realize that if you want to debate politics. For instance, my worldview involves everybody being responsible for their own lives, defending themselves, and having no pity for the weak and degenerate. A country that caters to the poor is one that I find morally and socially condemnable.
@pamination I went to public schools, a poor one in Baltimore. The curriculum was short-sighted, and incomplete to say the least. Parents, when planning for children, have quite some time to prepare for their kids education and to make a monetary investment in their child's future, and the schools will have more resources if it's privatized. This just goes back to the logic, "if you can't take care of 'em, then don't have 'em". Contraception is cheaper than college.
@AbjectConformity The libertarianism you talk about is good to some extent, but beware that it doesn't get inhumane and segregates the people. I tend to lean more to the libertarian side, but the middle road between libertarianism and socialism isn't bad.
@AbjectConformity inherent rights meaning we were all born equal. It doesn't matter that certain people were born into "the lucky sperm club." The only difference between you and a starving kid in somalia is you were lucked into being born here. We are never going to be able to give equal opportunity for people to succeed or fail. But our goal should still be to give each person (in the world) not the USA should access to a decent education, health services, security, property protection etc.
@pamination So you believe in unconditional equality? That's admirable, but ultimately unrealistic. In the real world, people are naturally dominant to others'. It's all subjectivity anyway. A lot of kids born with silver spoons in their mouths end up riding freight trains and digging out of dumpsters with hobos. Poverty in the pocket is richness in experience.
@AbjectConformity accomplishing certain tasks then the private sector. Health Care is like a police service. Help for such a random thing like sickness just going and being much more biased towards those who can pay for it is very unfair to those who can't. And these people that can't are not just lazy (insert random minority) they are people like you and I who work very hard but still might have to sell the house for a heart transplant b/c our insurance prob would try to get out of covering it.
@pamination Let me ask you an honest question and I want you to answer it honestly. Do you believe that the U.S taxpayers should fund the world's healthcare? Why or why not?
ok @ 1:38 , these two guys arent even true americans (if you know what I mean), yet they organized this? They are no better than a car salesman, and they are using the TRUE americans anger and insecurity and money, They do not care about people, money is what drives these fags, start reading between the signs people
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This is not about race--PLEASE GET OFF THAT HORSE! This about a corrupt, oppressive two party government. As for Obama I don't believe that we have ever had a leader so determined to hand over our liberties to the STATE. I don't give a damn how light or dark his skin is,if he tries to take MY FREEDOM from me,I'll fight him and all the other politicos with ever weapon the law allows. And as for the war,plenty protested Bush and the war and rightly so.
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The oral sex jokes on CNN and particularly MSNBC on teabagging by the dozens.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the White House was "amused" by the tea parties, but that "nobody out there is making $250,000 a year" as if that were somehow relevant.
President Obama said "completely unaware" of the tea party protests. How can it be that the president could be "unaware" of a grass-roots protest movement of this size and scope? Doesn't he have a TV?
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@CRSD60I that's great, now actually explain what you're angry about, and what you actually disagree with, instead mindlessly chanting meanlingless shit.
So the organizers of the movement have picked up on Santelli's tea party reference and are rebelling against higher taxes for the rich and corporations by purchasing thousands of tea bags and dumping them into various waterways. Thanks man! Plumber butt forgets to pay taxes anyways.
The fair tax is not fair, and the flat tax is not flat. Google that, and check out the article on mises institute. Yes I've read the fair tax book, and i thought i agreed with it. Check it out.
Looks like a peaceful protest. I don't see the point. They are protesting a government that doesn't obey it's own laws. Which means they might as well be protesting in China. We're beyond that BS.
Every city in every state needs to protest (peacefully of course) against this country being run into the ground. We used to be a nation that thrived, that had our borders flooded to come in, now we're wanting to leave. Thomas Jefferson said: When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Stop the apathy, FIRE Congress! I'm in Dallas, name a time and place and I'll be there! Hell, I'll even go to Washington! Anyone else?
If you look back at history the two key features that pulled America out of the great depression was: 1) WWII. which I don't think is the best choice right now and 2) large government spending on public projects which provides jobs. The second created our interstate and alot of Manhattan to site two examples. For them to create these projects and to provide jobs they need money from somewhere.
An example of a current project that could be done today is an overhaul on where energy comes from.
300 people!!!! what's he talking about? out of the whole of the states? 300 people???? listen to him...300 people!!! NO ONE CARES!!! I'll tell you what's NEXT!!! Weeping Jesus on the cross!!! God help them....300 people...300...who are these people?...the Spartans? I fu@#ing hope so!
Reason TV, love your work. The people in this video were like night and day compared to the people at the event where people threw shoes at an inflatable Bush. There ARE people who still care about liberty.
You guys should cover the second nationwide "End The Fed" protest in late April. Hopefully that will be another success as well.
The taxes were justified to help economy, through infrastructure rebuilding etc. I've heard only around $150 billion or so in stimulus package is for water, road, airport, power projects and some may not come for years. Money for museums, activist groups like acorn (payback), etc, its pork.
Only way they WON'T waste this money is if they DON'T get it.
REPEAL THE STIMULUS!
When you hear big banks wasting money AFTER getting stimulus money,
THAT MEANS THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BAILED OUT.
Question is how many people agreeing with need of tax cuts agree with social benefits cuts too. Everywhere politicians scream about lower taxes but they fail to mention ways of delivering these - you can find oil or gold; you can rob your neighbour; you can CUT spending on bureaucrats and social hand-outs.
I was a little unclear at first how a Tea Party sends the right message.
I mean, most libs will say "OMG conservatives are dumb the tea party was due to a tax cut!" But the thing was, the Tea Act granted the East India Company (and only the East India Company) duty free sales on tea while competitors (namely colonial smugglers) had to pay duty. This of course pissed the colonists off.
So throwing a Tea Party in protest of high taxation doesn't make sense, but protesting large government does
It's great to see a rally for freedom opposing this runaway government spending...but I'm sure most libertarians don't really like being associated with the likes of Joe the Plumber and Michelle Malkin....ugh.
In the end you are right, the cause is just and the more we have the stronger our message is. Libertarians and paleconservatives (like me) can't stand neoconservatives like Malkin.
What we kinda need to be aware of is that some people protesting the current government are anti-authoritarians and libertarians, which is great, but many are authoritarians who just want THEIR people in power.
"Wanting to acquire political power to reduce the amount of political power you have is a rather unusual desire. So while it is almost natural for leftists to want to run for office - the better to boss their neighbors around - it is very unnatural for conservatives. We would rather be running a business, raising a family, or defending our nation.
So out of the broad center-right spectrum the farther right you go the fewer candidates you produce, proportionately."
That makes a lot of sense. That's partly why there are so few libertarians running, though a large reason why there aren't many people know of is that most politicians are collectivists.
It makes sense that many individualists whether they're paleoconservatives or classical liberals would shy away from government, where one's job is (these days) to rule over others and limit freedom.
At the same time, it seems many "conservatives" just want their goons back in office.
Yes , "classical liberal" and "conservative" can be used interchangeably here. Those that want their big government, drug war goons back in office (republicans), are looking for neocon-liberals....these terms are getting confusing :)
I'd still draw a line of distinction between classical liberals (Milton Friedman/Johan Norberg) and paleo-conservatives (Ron Paul).
I'd say most conservatives today aren't anymore fiscally individualistic than most liberals. They just cling to their Bibles. It's more of an image really.
There's a big difference between classical liberalism and contemporary, or even paleo-conservatism, but at the moment, both sides have to work to get rid of the totalitarian socialist policies raging forth.
If you need an example of how stimulus fails, look at 1990s Japan. They suffered the lost decade, in no small part thanks to the 8 stimulus packages totalling trillions of dollars they passed. They had eight, for christ sakes! And they didn't work! So why should ONE stimulus here in the U.S. work?
As a libertarian, I'm embarrassed by those guys. Santilli complaining after the banks and Wallstreet traders got $750 billion from Bush is pretty hypocritical.
If that is the face of US libertarianism, no wonder people don't take it seriously.
I'm a canuck and given the chance teabaggin some dems wouldn't be such a bad thing. Both American parties are corrupt, and the liberterian call is by far the most attractive of the three.
just because Malkin and Joe showed up doesn't detract from the seriousness of the discussion. they may be distractions or celebrities of some sort to attract further attention but I have to agree that the liberterian approach makes more sense than either party down there.
I think it is entirely logical that Reason would pay attention to the event. it just would have been better with some more authoritative speakers.
No they tried to make Obama supporters look stupid by asking follow - up questions. No one here is being asked "Given a chance with Bail-Out funds, why didn't Banks lend?" Of course, THAT"S a very good question. Banks were given the ability to lend money and inject money through a private-market-based system and they chose to do nothing. Even B of A, who doesn't have Mortgage-Backed Securities problems. These people are following the Japanese model of recession recovery.
Santilli doesn't want to pay his nieghtbour's mortgage, but, is in a room surrounded by traders who had their companies bailed out by tax payers, including his nieghbours, sounds mighty hypocritical to me.
Funny how he only started to rant when it was Obama spending the money, not Bush back in October.
So Bush blowing $750 billion is good, Obama doing it is bad.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I think Obama is living in dream world. I'm on side with Peter Schiff and Thomas Woods...this is not going to end well at all and Obama can do little about it. What he is doing is making it worse.
Bush tried the same stuff but with nary a wimper out of Santilli.
Both Bush and Obama did the same wrong moves, but according to Santilli, only Obama is the "socialist". Where were the tea party protests in October?
johny, Santelli isn't guilty just because he's standing in the same room as investors. Just because they are investors doesn't mean they own companies, or stock in the companies that got bailed out. Did they have a say in where the bailout money went?
Santelli ranted when Obama did the exact same thing as Bush. He said nothing about Bush, but went off like a rocket. In a room full of TRADERS who benefited directly from the propping up of Wall Street by Bush.
So traders getting govern't welfare is good, but homeowners getting it is bad.
I don't think anyone should be getting welfare - banks ought to go out of business for making such crappy loans.
Santelli is being a hypocritical partisan. I'm calling him on it.
While Santelli wrongfully did not criticise Bush for fiscal irresponsibility, he actually did oppose the Wallstreet bailout. Search for the Youtube clip.
Wake up! Both parties are no good. The thing I find encouraging is these people have it right! Why hasn't our govt. gotten it right in decades? If our government is so wonderful why is the nation debt over 50 trillion? My 6 year old could run the government better. At least he would just play with his toys and not mess too many things up! WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
god these people are stupid.
psychiatristman00 1 year ago
ha ha ha....these fools r a joke!!
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MrLordWarren 2 years ago
2:29, please get some sleep you look like a zombie
15jorik 2 years ago
I would: Abolish the IRS, Federal Reserve, and not engage in the Illegitimate wars and foreign occupations that this country engages in. Please spare me any replies on the guy who got the CIA,MI-5,Mossad escort past security, with M-80s in his underware.
M14Mann 2 years ago
"Cut government spending like I have done in my own house!" Ohh, so fuckin' true. Let the rich liberals sell their ipods to fund healthcare, welfare, and food stamps. not the government.
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Freedom of the market! Keep jobs in the U.S! Stop over-taxing small business! Government over-taxation forces capitalists to go overseas to procure their wealth.
"Socialism is a frailty that only survives on confiscation of innovation and the weight on the working mans back... capital is humanity"
AbjectConformity 2 years ago
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YEE-HAW! STOP OBAMA CARE! lets keep up the smears my Redneck friends! Because if you don't people will realize Obama is really a good president and we might have to go another 4 years with a Black President! I love staying broke in my trailers and keeping the republicans RICH!
Eagle0watch 2 years ago
This country has lost its way and its mind. What the fuck happened to REAL men? Stop accepting government handouts, and suffer like our ancestors did. Be a fuckin' man and live in the dirt if you have to. I worked my shitty warehouse job for years upon years trying to move up just so I can be lower-middle class. Fuck anybody that wants the government to baby them like little bitches. Fuck you, seriously.. work any job, starve if you have to. Be human beings again!!!!
AbjectConformity 2 years ago
Cutting corporate taxes will not make wages drop below several dollars per day, which is the price of some overseas labor.
00kaizen00 2 years ago
This is retarded obama cut taxes for you fools, meanwhile your savoir reagan let poor people starve on the street while real wages dropped and corporations went overseas... Ask the working class poeple in Flint, Cleavland or Detroit how the economy was under deregulation... i'm pretty sure your boy jesus wouldn't have been against universal health care
pamination 2 years ago
poor people SHOULD starve on the streets. Better yet, they should starve in the woods like hippies do.. that way my children won't have to be bothered by them begging for money.
Work, earn a wage.. fund your own life ... or kindly die off.
AbjectConformity 2 years ago
@AbjectConformity like you said you are lower middle class and have apparently worked very hard to do so. Does it not seem unfair that you have not had more opportunity to climb the class ladder based on your own merits? Social mobility is something that can be measured and here in the US it is significantly lower than European countries that have more social welfare policies.
pamination 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The real wealth and wages of the middle class have been declining for the past 30 years in America meanwhile the wealth gap between the rich and the poor has increased significantly. It is back to where it was in the 1930's at the time of the great depression. We are beginning to resemble a third world country in that sense.
pamination 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The way to fix that is by taxing the rich. Contrary to what you are brainwashed (by the wealthy) to think. Socialistic policies (which are not the same as pure socialism or capitalism. Level the playing field so that every person has an equal chance to succeed or fail based on their own merits. It does not kill economic growth to tax the wealthy more as money has decreasing marginal utility. I do not like increasing government either but the fact is it does a better job of
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination Socialistic policies force people to become dependent on the government, rather than having a plethora of choices in a private market, and freedom with responsibility.
Every person having an equal opportunity by taxing the rich demonstrates a mentality that it is okay to steal if you feel justified. The government is overstepping it's bounds, as it did in 1930 with the introduction to Welfare. There must be more efficient ways to solve these types of problems, no?
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity It isn't stealing to have everyone pay an equal part in taxes. If someone makes 30k a year and you take 20% they only have 24k left to live off of. If someone makes 40mil a year and you take 60% they still have 16 million left enough to be rich and buy an airplane etc. money has decreasing marginal benefit. currently our tax system is unfair and we are essentially justifying stealing from the poor/ less well off.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination No I don't believe the US should provide health care for the rest of the world that is a dumb question and irrelevant. it would be nice if we could afford that but the US primary goal is the protection of the rights of its citizens. In my opinion equal access to medical care regardless of prior health conditions and economic status is a right of people in post-industrialized nations. That is why everyone but the US does it.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination So anybody that is not a U.S citizen should suffer and die? You're so compassionate!
The point of the question is to demonstrate the absurdity of universal healthcare. The government should not be responsible for taking care of people's food, health, and housing---only to protect people from theft, assault, and burglary so that they may earn these things without them being usurped by others. This shows that, deep down, you do not really believe everyone should have healthcare.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The government shouldn't be responsible for education either. Anything that can be privatized should be, in simpler terms. Everybody benefits more when real economy, opportunity, growth, and monetary risks are involved. This is why UPS dominates the LTL and small package industry, and will soon consume the government controlled postal service.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The government should be responsible for providing protections for its citizens that the free market cannot do better. Sure the private sector may deliver the mail better. But it certainly would not function for the police service. The police would only protect the rich because they could pay them more money. Same happens in education and in health care. Access to these things are inherent rights to every person. Therefore a system is needed to ensure the poorer get coverage.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination What makes you think that access of "these things" are inherent rights to every person? You're merely imposing your liberal worldview on politics, rather than having a grip on what "inherent rights" are.
How do you know a private system of protection wouldn't perform better than a state controlled police system? What constitutes a better system? You don't know much about the police, obviously, and have apparently never been to public schools.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity Anyways I am done with this argument. It has been fun I wish we didn't have to have it over the internet though. I am glad you realize that even a (naive crazy liberal...w/e) has similar views to yourself and that instead of calling each other names and screaming that the other is trying to destroy the country we should instead have more dialogue and try to find more commonalities. Because after all we are just Americans right and we gotta live with each other like it or not...
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination I enjoy a reasoned discussion. I appreciate your input. Take care.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity You have a bit too many false notions that your arguement is based on. Let me help you to debunk them.
First your question regarding people in other countries is irrelevant. In the why society is set up today we have nation states. I don't really like the idea of dividing ourselves all up into teams but that is how the game goes. We are a part of a country in order to contribute to it and gain protection from its government those too go hand in hand.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination Therefore it provides protection to the private sector. Recently in the 1930's as well it began providing protection as well for people against the tyranny of the private sector. It is our acceptance of the government that allows it to exist as well as the governments acceptance of business and private property and wealth etc. Therefore it can not be considered stealing it if we already agreed upon the system in the first place. Agreed as a majority not individually.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination Recently in the 1930's? hehe. You are right, it is our complacency that allows the government to regulate our lives--- hence the reason for Tea Parties, and a significantly growing opposition that accepts the reality that people may be, for some bizarre reason, responsible for their own lives. Go figure.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@pamination You have some false idea as well that people are somehow going to rely on the government and not be their own people and work etc. This idea is false as well because we are the only first world country on the planet that does not have a system of universal healthcare in place. Yet on average americans go far more to the doctor and we spend far more per person on medical care than any of the other 1st world nations. This brings me to my next point
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination So you cannot think for yourself and must follow what other big government countries are doing? Read a world history book before answering that....Me personally, I think that capitalism is the most educated and evolved economic structure that has ever been devised by the human mind. It let's ordinary people embrace their creativity and innovation, and allows us to be champions of our own destinies if we simply take the initiative.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@pamination So your idea of healthcare has boundaries, as do mine. You don't need to be a Philadelphia lawyer to realize that. You do not believe the we should take care of the world's health, and I do not believe we should take care of the country's health. They are merely subtle differences divided up by lines on a map. *shrugs* People just have to get used to experiencing the fact that if they cannot afford things, then they can't have it.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@pamination Steal (v): to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force.
Taking people's money in any amount without their consent is stealing. Is it okay for me to steal from you as long as I use it to benefit others? Any way you slice it, it's still theft. The message that congress is sending out is that stealing is not criminal behavior, which to me is morally presumptuous.
Confiscation of payroll dollars is theft, can we agree on that?
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity We in the US have a form of representative democracy therefore we vote with the intention of laws being made that reflect the ways we want society to be divided up. We decide on what protections we need and then we each contribute money to pay for it. In no way is that stealing because the government in turn protects the private property of its citizens.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination You're simply attempting to justify thievery, again. Let me put it this way: if there are enough voters that support universal healthcare (police departments, road systems, postal systems, etc), then they can willingly donate a percentage of their payroll to finance it adequately. If there are not enough voters to support it, then people will have to rely on themselves, their jobs, their family, churches and other private institutions and charities.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The idea of capatalism in the sense in which you describe it is also quite comical. No country has ever willingly submitted itself to capitalism in that sense. The US throughout its existence has constantly intervened on the part of private sector. The entire constitution was set up to protect the pocketbooks of the wealthy that wrote it and protect against tyranny of the majority.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination It's called "laissez faire" capitalism, which means the government has the authority to prevent individuals and groups of individuals against force and fraud but has no responsibility regulating the private market.
The private market, if you don't already know, regulates itself through a system of competition. The majority of business owners in the United States are normal, down-to-earth people that just want to make a living for themselves.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity Nobody is advocating doing away with capatalism or the free market or the right to make as much money as you possibly can. I don't wanna take money from the rich bc i feel its unfair that they are rich. But I do believe its necessary in a free and rich country to give its citizens the right to prosper based on their own merits. But currently we have a system that inherently destines certain people to fail. Good schools, health care, even welfare helps to alleviate some of that
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination (1) You are advocating that capitalism's integrity should be compromised by the government by regulating private decisions and the private market.
(2) A free and prosperous country occurs when individuals are responsible for their own lives, not when the government steals from the rich and gives to the poor so that they can elicit more subordination from the people.
(3) Is government intervention your solution? why not force the poor to stop procreating for their own good?
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity And it is no government intervention is only needed when you are ensuring the rights of your citizens. Things like Due process, free speech, etc as well as things like access to a decent education and access to medical care when you get sick. These things are actually beneficial to the economy because they allow the less well off to become more independent. I respect your views but you should realize they contradict with your socio-economic level.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination How do my views contradict my socio-economic level? I don't understand your point. I also would like to know why you think more government intervention in people's lives, regardless of how poor they are, makes them more independent? Are you saying it is impossible for people to manage their own diet, exercise, education, and money?
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity They contradict your socioeconomic level because would you have been able to afford a good private school if they are all privatized? would you and your family be ok if you arbitrarily got a heart condition and needed a heart transplant?
because sometimes making money contradicts giving better service to more people. police would just try to maximize their profits and therefore would only protect those who would pay them the most... somewhat like insurance companies do now
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination We can pay for it though. we just have to find the most efficient way how that doesn't hinder economic growth. Many countries have done it. And a history book won't help me because it is quite recent that northern european countries such as netherlands, norway, sweden, denmark, finland have been able to do this efficiently without hindering economic growth. They beat us on almost every standard from GDP per capita to infant mortality. Its wrong to say we can't learn from others ideas
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination competing who has the best country is pointless. There's no way to determine what constitutes what "the best" is. It's abstraction, and you have to realize that if you want to debate politics. For instance, my worldview involves everybody being responsible for their own lives, defending themselves, and having no pity for the weak and degenerate. A country that caters to the poor is one that I find morally and socially condemnable.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@pamination I went to public schools, a poor one in Baltimore. The curriculum was short-sighted, and incomplete to say the least. Parents, when planning for children, have quite some time to prepare for their kids education and to make a monetary investment in their child's future, and the schools will have more resources if it's privatized. This just goes back to the logic, "if you can't take care of 'em, then don't have 'em". Contraception is cheaper than college.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity The libertarianism you talk about is good to some extent, but beware that it doesn't get inhumane and segregates the people. I tend to lean more to the libertarian side, but the middle road between libertarianism and socialism isn't bad.
thatsmyrail 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity inherent rights meaning we were all born equal. It doesn't matter that certain people were born into "the lucky sperm club." The only difference between you and a starving kid in somalia is you were lucked into being born here. We are never going to be able to give equal opportunity for people to succeed or fail. But our goal should still be to give each person (in the world) not the USA should access to a decent education, health services, security, property protection etc.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination So you believe in unconditional equality? That's admirable, but ultimately unrealistic. In the real world, people are naturally dominant to others'. It's all subjectivity anyway. A lot of kids born with silver spoons in their mouths end up riding freight trains and digging out of dumpsters with hobos. Poverty in the pocket is richness in experience.
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@AbjectConformity accomplishing certain tasks then the private sector. Health Care is like a police service. Help for such a random thing like sickness just going and being much more biased towards those who can pay for it is very unfair to those who can't. And these people that can't are not just lazy (insert random minority) they are people like you and I who work very hard but still might have to sell the house for a heart transplant b/c our insurance prob would try to get out of covering it.
pamination 1 year ago
@pamination Let me ask you an honest question and I want you to answer it honestly. Do you believe that the U.S taxpayers should fund the world's healthcare? Why or why not?
AbjectConformity 1 year ago
@pamination When our boy Jesus returns we won't need universal health care, our boy Jesus just heal everyone.
GermanShepardd 1 year ago
@GermanShepardd I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not but either way your comment is hilarious...
pamination 1 year ago
Such silly people driven by emotions rather than the facts.
SlightyDisturbedNBK 2 years ago
ok @ 1:38 , these two guys arent even true americans (if you know what I mean), yet they organized this? They are no better than a car salesman, and they are using the TRUE americans anger and insecurity and money, They do not care about people, money is what drives these fags, start reading between the signs people
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gkgreger 2 years ago
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Of course, spending a trillion dollars on an illegal war wasn't a waste of money, was it? Oh, I forgot. A WHITE man did that so it's okay.
barcher 2 years ago
This is not about race--PLEASE GET OFF THAT HORSE! This about a corrupt, oppressive two party government. As for Obama I don't believe that we have ever had a leader so determined to hand over our liberties to the STATE. I don't give a damn how light or dark his skin is,if he tries to take MY FREEDOM from me,I'll fight him and all the other politicos with ever weapon the law allows. And as for the war,plenty protested Bush and the war and rightly so.
sleedolfine15 2 years ago
The war was wrong and many people here agree. But stop calling legitimate criticism racism! You just look like a clown by spouting such bullshit.
NoEoAoRo 2 years ago
Let's not rip our President Obama a new assholes - we are assholes - What I would do if I were president - show up late for work, that's what I'd do...sheet music - Obama is the man - but, lest we not forget - Don't Tread on Me - was a joke.
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The oral sex jokes on CNN and particularly MSNBC on teabagging by the dozens.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the White House was "amused" by the tea parties, but that "nobody out there is making $250,000 a year" as if that were somehow relevant.
President Obama said "completely unaware" of the tea party protests. How can it be that the president could be "unaware" of a grass-roots protest movement of this size and scope? Doesn't he have a TV?
tweedtweed333 2 years ago 2
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IRSFRAUDEXPOSED 2 years ago 2
audit the fed. reserve and the owners. when is the last time rothschild been audited or even filed??
mountain19 2 years ago
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ha ha ha ha hathese people r a joke!
FukRepublicans 2 years ago
I pray our Lord and Savior JESUS has mercy on your poor, ignorant idiots== you liberals are out of control.
gosplmsklvr 2 years ago
Government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem! Its WE THE PEOPLE, not Barack the king! Nobama!
CRSD60I 2 years ago 5
@CRSD60I
You're an idiot.
Primordialfan1 1 year ago
@CRSD60I that's great, now actually explain what you're angry about, and what you actually disagree with, instead mindlessly chanting meanlingless shit.
NoTalentSucks 1 year ago
So the organizers of the movement have picked up on Santelli's tea party reference and are rebelling against higher taxes for the rich and corporations by purchasing thousands of tea bags and dumping them into various waterways. Thanks man! Plumber butt forgets to pay taxes anyways.
rodzmen1 2 years ago
Conservatives don't show up to a lot of protest because they're usually at work paying for the liberal to show up and protest the protest.
thatguyashe 2 years ago 2
Obama's eating $100.00 a lbs steaks from Japan. What's own your plate. Ramen?
thatguyashe 2 years ago 3
@thatguyashe along with every other president? what's your point?
NoTalentSucks 1 year ago
Ron Paul 2012!!!
yammyspeed13 2 years ago
ask for the fair tax Demand the fair tax, Learn the Fair tax.
standj21 2 years ago
The fair tax is not fair, and the flat tax is not flat. Google that, and check out the article on mises institute. Yes I've read the fair tax book, and i thought i agreed with it. Check it out.
Kevin17761984 2 years ago 2
Because this country/State (calif) is currently UPSIDE DOWN .
I have turned my license plate upside down on my car until this country is restored to its original Glory...spread the word.
aceyorba 2 years ago 3
Looks like a peaceful protest. I don't see the point. They are protesting a government that doesn't obey it's own laws. Which means they might as well be protesting in China. We're beyond that BS.
dankeschone 2 years ago
Every city in every state needs to protest (peacefully of course) against this country being run into the ground. We used to be a nation that thrived, that had our borders flooded to come in, now we're wanting to leave. Thomas Jefferson said: When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Stop the apathy, FIRE Congress! I'm in Dallas, name a time and place and I'll be there! Hell, I'll even go to Washington! Anyone else?
mclain7400 2 years ago 3
March 11th, nearly 6,000 people already commited to attending the Cincinnati Tea Party this weekend!!
creaturesGREATnSmall 2 years ago 2
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creaturesGREATnSmall 2 years ago
If you look back at history the two key features that pulled America out of the great depression was: 1) WWII. which I don't think is the best choice right now and 2) large government spending on public projects which provides jobs. The second created our interstate and alot of Manhattan to site two examples. For them to create these projects and to provide jobs they need money from somewhere.
An example of a current project that could be done today is an overhaul on where energy comes from.
Jskelington1993 2 years ago
I was at the tea party in Green Bay, WI; police estimates placed the crowd around 1200.
puremilkgenius 2 years ago
300 people!!!! what's he talking about? out of the whole of the states? 300 people???? listen to him...300 people!!! NO ONE CARES!!! I'll tell you what's NEXT!!! Weeping Jesus on the cross!!! God help them....300 people...300...who are these people?...the Spartans? I fu@#ing hope so!
HOLLNAIER 2 years ago
Reason TV, love your work. The people in this video were like night and day compared to the people at the event where people threw shoes at an inflatable Bush. There ARE people who still care about liberty.
You guys should cover the second nationwide "End The Fed" protest in late April. Hopefully that will be another success as well.
josephhopkins1 2 years ago 3
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I went to the KC Tea Party and wore my "Where's MY Bailout?!" t-shirt that I bought at WallStreetMarketNews(DOT)com!
I just ordered their "Rick Santelli 2012" t-shirt it's a limited edition!
Can't wait for the next Tea Party! ';
webxsuccess 2 years ago
The taxes were justified to help economy, through infrastructure rebuilding etc. I've heard only around $150 billion or so in stimulus package is for water, road, airport, power projects and some may not come for years. Money for museums, activist groups like acorn (payback), etc, its pork.
Only way they WON'T waste this money is if they DON'T get it.
REPEAL THE STIMULUS!
When you hear big banks wasting money AFTER getting stimulus money,
THAT MEANS THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BAILED OUT.
vllmer 2 years ago 3
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These protesters are fucking dumbasses.
Overtax the rich, and help the poor.
kgbkid02 2 years ago
Question is how many people agreeing with need of tax cuts agree with social benefits cuts too. Everywhere politicians scream about lower taxes but they fail to mention ways of delivering these - you can find oil or gold; you can rob your neighbour; you can CUT spending on bureaucrats and social hand-outs.
grraadd 2 years ago 2
I was a little unclear at first how a Tea Party sends the right message.
I mean, most libs will say "OMG conservatives are dumb the tea party was due to a tax cut!" But the thing was, the Tea Act granted the East India Company (and only the East India Company) duty free sales on tea while competitors (namely colonial smugglers) had to pay duty. This of course pissed the colonists off.
So throwing a Tea Party in protest of high taxation doesn't make sense, but protesting large government does
wvmcc82 2 years ago
im sorry but that was just dum...
Eriklaudal 2 years ago
It's great to see a rally for freedom opposing this runaway government spending...but I'm sure most libertarians don't really like being associated with the likes of Joe the Plumber and Michelle Malkin....ugh.
LPBguy 2 years ago
Does it matter? The cause is just. The more the merrier!
Bezwaar123 2 years ago
In the end you are right, the cause is just and the more we have the stronger our message is. Libertarians and paleconservatives (like me) can't stand neoconservatives like Malkin.
LPBguy 2 years ago
What we kinda need to be aware of is that some people protesting the current government are anti-authoritarians and libertarians, which is great, but many are authoritarians who just want THEIR people in power.
AshillaBeige 2 years ago 3
"Wanting to acquire political power to reduce the amount of political power you have is a rather unusual desire. So while it is almost natural for leftists to want to run for office - the better to boss their neighbors around - it is very unnatural for conservatives. We would rather be running a business, raising a family, or defending our nation.
So out of the broad center-right spectrum the farther right you go the fewer candidates you produce, proportionately."
stick1to2the3issue 2 years ago
That makes a lot of sense. That's partly why there are so few libertarians running, though a large reason why there aren't many people know of is that most politicians are collectivists.
It makes sense that many individualists whether they're paleoconservatives or classical liberals would shy away from government, where one's job is (these days) to rule over others and limit freedom.
At the same time, it seems many "conservatives" just want their goons back in office.
Good quote.
AshillaBeige 2 years ago
Yes , "classical liberal" and "conservative" can be used interchangeably here. Those that want their big government, drug war goons back in office (republicans), are looking for neocon-liberals....these terms are getting confusing :)
stick1to2the3issue 2 years ago
I'd still draw a line of distinction between classical liberals (Milton Friedman/Johan Norberg) and paleo-conservatives (Ron Paul).
I'd say most conservatives today aren't anymore fiscally individualistic than most liberals. They just cling to their Bibles. It's more of an image really.
There's a big difference between classical liberalism and contemporary, or even paleo-conservatism, but at the moment, both sides have to work to get rid of the totalitarian socialist policies raging forth.
AshillaBeige 2 years ago
If you need an example of how stimulus fails, look at 1990s Japan. They suffered the lost decade, in no small part thanks to the 8 stimulus packages totalling trillions of dollars they passed. They had eight, for christ sakes! And they didn't work! So why should ONE stimulus here in the U.S. work?
whoo689 2 years ago
Doubtful that the MSM would even cover this, maybe Russia Today, but hardly any MSM outlet would even give them any airtime.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
Tea bag the dems? WTF.
As a libertarian, I'm embarrassed by those guys. Santilli complaining after the banks and Wallstreet traders got $750 billion from Bush is pretty hypocritical.
If that is the face of US libertarianism, no wonder people don't take it seriously.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
I'm a canuck and given the chance teabaggin some dems wouldn't be such a bad thing. Both American parties are corrupt, and the liberterian call is by far the most attractive of the three.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
Hey I agree, don't get me wrong and I usually love Reason and Reason TV. But this is pretty poor propaganda for such a "reasonable" outfit.
I mean, when Michelle Malkin and Joe the {job of the week} show up, it ceased to be serious.
Hopefully this is just Reason giving equal idiot time after making fun of the Obama supporters...
johnycannuk 2 years ago
just because Malkin and Joe showed up doesn't detract from the seriousness of the discussion. they may be distractions or celebrities of some sort to attract further attention but I have to agree that the liberterian approach makes more sense than either party down there.
I think it is entirely logical that Reason would pay attention to the event. it just would have been better with some more authoritative speakers.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 years ago
They didn't "make fun" of Obama's supporters. They asked them questions - the same two questions to every person, I believe.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
No they tried to make Obama supporters look stupid by asking follow - up questions. No one here is being asked "Given a chance with Bail-Out funds, why didn't Banks lend?" Of course, THAT"S a very good question. Banks were given the ability to lend money and inject money through a private-market-based system and they chose to do nothing. Even B of A, who doesn't have Mortgage-Backed Securities problems. These people are following the Japanese model of recession recovery.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
What is hypocritical about it?
Moragauth 2 years ago
Santilli doesn't want to pay his nieghtbour's mortgage, but, is in a room surrounded by traders who had their companies bailed out by tax payers, including his nieghbours, sounds mighty hypocritical to me.
Funny how he only started to rant when it was Obama spending the money, not Bush back in October.
So Bush blowing $750 billion is good, Obama doing it is bad.
Hypocrite.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
I say both where bad but you say bush bad obama good you seem to like one over the other as well.
jp3711nc1 2 years ago
No, I'm not saying that at all. I think Obama is living in dream world. I'm on side with Peter Schiff and Thomas Woods...this is not going to end well at all and Obama can do little about it. What he is doing is making it worse.
Bush tried the same stuff but with nary a wimper out of Santilli.
Both Bush and Obama did the same wrong moves, but according to Santilli, only Obama is the "socialist". Where were the tea party protests in October?
Santilli is the hypocrite.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
johny, Santelli isn't guilty just because he's standing in the same room as investors. Just because they are investors doesn't mean they own companies, or stock in the companies that got bailed out. Did they have a say in where the bailout money went?
Think of the details before you blame everyone.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
Santelli ranted when Obama did the exact same thing as Bush. He said nothing about Bush, but went off like a rocket. In a room full of TRADERS who benefited directly from the propping up of Wall Street by Bush.
So traders getting govern't welfare is good, but homeowners getting it is bad.
I don't think anyone should be getting welfare - banks ought to go out of business for making such crappy loans.
Santelli is being a hypocritical partisan. I'm calling him on it.
Both parties suck.
johnycannuk 2 years ago
While Santelli wrongfully did not criticise Bush for fiscal irresponsibility, he actually did oppose the Wallstreet bailout. Search for the Youtube clip.
NoEoAoRo 2 years ago
Wake up! Both parties are no good. The thing I find encouraging is these people have it right! Why hasn't our govt. gotten it right in decades? If our government is so wonderful why is the nation debt over 50 trillion? My 6 year old could run the government better. At least he would just play with his toys and not mess too many things up! WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
pleasethinkmore 2 years ago
Reasonable people!!!
teewillis1981 2 years ago 2
Aye!
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
I agree, they are reasonable - the ordinary folks who get it. Most people do get it.
Santelli, Malkin and Joe the Whatever are just hypocrites and opportunists.
Also, no one seems to know what teabagging is and I find that hilarious
johnycannuk 2 years ago
Santelli opposed the Wallstreet bailout you know.
NoEoAoRo 2 years ago 3