what is the episode called where the doctor is left behind and hundreds of years pass.When he is braught back he finds himself in astarting a civil war.Its killing me that i cant remember.
"Living Witness" [season 4] the Doctor's backup EMH is found on a planet 700 years after a civil war with the history of the war so changed that "Warship Voyager" was made to blame for many of the civil war's ills. Once the Doctor was activated he set the record straight.
When I saw this episode for the first time, I can remember thinking how awesome it was to see the Voyager getting some well deserved payback on the Borg, and watching the third cube cower like a dog and run like hell.
The temporal cold war is, like anything else related to time travel in Trek, a massive contrivance. They hadn't even thought of that when they were arsing around penning stories for VOY. There are two ways you can go with time travel a) don't do it and keep things making sense or b) do it, and have every semblance of continuity thrown to the wind. They chose b, repeatedly.
It's not like time travel ever makes sense anyway. The Borg can travel through time (FC) so if they want technical perfection why don't THEY just travel through time and get a few Cube building tips from their future selves?
A Galaxy-class starship would wreck a Constitution-class if it went back in time and fought one. The upgrades done on the ship in this episode were from 60 years in the future. The Borg had no defense. Of course they beat the shit out of them. Would you expect the original Enterprise to be able to stand up to the Enterprise-A in power?
@Draknfyre YES BUT IT'S MORE LIKE 1701-D VS THE Lysian Alliance FROM THE NEXT GENERATION EPISODE Conundrum OR A BORG TACTICAL CABE GOING BACK TO 22ND CENTURY (NX-01 ERA) NO ONE AND NOTHING COULD STOP IT NOT EVEN THE XINDI, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SCENE IN FILM COMMANDO WERE THE HERO TAKES OUT AN ENTIRE ARMY SINGLE HANDED
@Borg639 Yeah but don't forget that the technology that you just saw I.e the armor and the transphasic torpedoes were given to janeway from technology that was 30 or 40 years into the future.
2 Janeways. So does one know about Captain Braxton, and the other doesn't, or maybe Braxton knows about this, or will find out? You never know where Braxton will be. Uuuhm, make that "when."
It takes a whole fleet... a MASSIVE fleet to take down 1 borg cube and failed... and it takes 1 fucking ship in voyager that IS voyager to take down an entire collective?!?!?! DO NOT APPROVE.....
@Borg639 I think that was because the torpedoes were based on future technology, brought back by Admiral Janeway (just right with the badass armor thing)!
He had a radio-link to the Batmobile where he said "shields" and they'd just pop up out of nowhere over the whole exterior using equally cheesy animation.
In the plot, however, they got it from Admiral Janeway in the future... which is, of course, just plain CHEATING.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that loved the Voyager series finale. Alice Krieg back as the first (and best) Borg Queen. Would have loved to have seen the look on her face when that first cube went up. lol.
Who or what the borg queen really is hasn't been told. She seems to be a central hub of some kind for the borg, but the real question is: is she a person or a program within the borg? We see her destroyed in "First Contact" and yet she's in Voyager as well. Picard makes reference in FC about the queen being present on the original borg cube that attacked Earth...saying that he remembered her being there. It seems she can be destroyed physically, but something of her still exsists.
@Lone77Wolf Another possibility. A different queen for a different sector of the galaxy or group of borg. This would seem to imply the borg isn't completely of one mind though. More like one mind in a certain area of the galaxy.
@Fuleadeare Frightened? No. Frustrated? She was willing to blow up an entire Borg cube just to kill Janeway back in "Unimatrix, Part II." Frustrated? Absolutely! haha
@Frost3784 That would be incorrect. I dislike the 3rd season of TOS, dislike some of TNG. Dislike Star Trek V, and Nemesis. Dislike Voyager, and Enterprise.
Love the first two seasons of TOS. Love most of TNG. Love all the other movies. Love almost all of DS9.
Something has bothered me about this episode and it was to do with the timeline (not facebook lol) so anyway. Future Janeway goes back in time with her advancements in anti Borg tech. Gets her crew home (yippie) however in the process she has allowed 30 year future tech to be scanned by the Borg 30 years before its created. So in 30 years time Starfleet will be like "OMG LOOK HOW ADVANCED OUR TECH IS!!!1" and the Borg will be all like "LOLZ HAD THAT STUFF 30 YEARS AGO! CHECK THIS OUT PEW PEW!"
@mungabba Scanning the technology wouldn't have told them how to replicate it. They would need access to the Voyager computers and the knowledge in the mind of Future Janeway. My problem with this episode as with almost all the time travel episodes is the problem of the time paradox.
@davenielsen78 The sphere pursuing Voyager had already adapted the shield armor from Admiral Janeway's assimilation. They couldn't stop the ship with the super torpedoes. Further, Voyager's shield armor was failing. That's why Janeway allowed the sphere to capture Voyager... carry the ship to the Alpha Quadrant, then destroy the sphere from within.
@mungabba Not an issue, the "future" glimpsed at in "Endgame" was nullified when Admiral Janeway traveled back in time. Both Starfleet (after Voyager's return) and the Borg have access to the batmobile shields and super torpedoes.
@mungabba But Starfleet would also have the tech 30 years before they originally of made it. Also the borg gets destroyed in this episode so any knowledge of the tech is destroyed. So Starfleet has the advantage.
@mrteemumilto That's why Voyager and DS9 became so heavy in schlocky action sequences. The best Star Trek episodes are the ones dealing with moral issues, if we wanted mindless action we could just watch Star Wars.
@mrteemumilto - I couldn't agree with your statement more. This really, I think, is the underlying reason why the later Star Trek offerings don't sit well with older 'trekkies' - although I personally found Enterprise growing on me after a while, since the early days frontiersmanship lent itself to a little more moral flexibility.
I never watched Voyager, what was Janeway's schtick? You know, like how Kirk was a renegade, Picard was a philosopher and Sisko was just plain bad ass.
@alphamone No, she wasn't. First episode. They could have got home right then with the array. Reason they didn't? The kazon would have got the array. So they blow it up with some torps.
Now, wtf? Why not just put some torps on a timer? Then they could go and the array's destroyed anyway. The first episode, and Janeway makes a really bad decision.
as i said, honour before reason. She was so into preserving the prime directive that she never stopped to think about how they could solve the problem, including ways that would still follow it.
The real headdesk moment was when she felt it was her responsibility to undo the damage to a pre-warp culture that some lost ferengi did, instead of just going through the wormhole that would take them to the alpha quadrant.
@alphamone That also proves how much of an idiot she is, and her superiors. Who would put someone you can't think a situation through properly in charge of a SPACESHIP with over 150 people on board? Also, what prime directive? That's about messing with prewarp cultures. That doesn't apply to the situation at the array at all. So she was being a retard and endangering them all. Tuvok should have relieved her of command.
The other moment was as you said facepalm worthy.
@TheRhinehart86 Being an unstable combination of various fictional character archetypes for women, basically. In short, she was whatever the threat of the week required her to be. One episode she would be all about upholding the Prime Directive and protecting her crew, the next she'd be "Ah, fuck it, let's just shoot the shit out of them!" Even Kate Mulgrew herself sometimes despaired at the instability of the character's portrayal.
@TheRhinehart86 Janeway was a captain, a scientist, a mother to the "Voyager Family," and equally obsessed with the Prime Directive and finding a fast way back to Earth. Oh, and she was addicted to coffee.
@Frost3784 - For a captain so obsessed with the Prime Directive she sure was quick to ally with the Borg against a new and unknown species and interfere with the governance of other alien species.
@CaitiVoltaire Janeway made an alliance with the Borg, because Species 8472 told Kes, "Your galaxy will be purged!" The entire galaxy was at stake, thanks to the Borg. Janeway had to ally with them to clean up their mess. As for interfering with the governance of alien civilizations, I'm not sure which episodes you're referring to. That said, sometimes you have to bend the rules in the name of survival.
@Frost3784 - For example when she returned Icheb to his homeworld and found out that he was basically a biological weapon designed to defeat the Borg, they took him in themselves. This is interference with a neutral governance, because this action did not agree with Janeway's personal morality, which is exactly the kind of decision the Prime Directive is supposed to shield neutral planets from.
Janeway just had no Federation values to her at all. ST in general didnt after TNG.
@CaitiVoltaire The problem being that Icheb had already been a member of the Voyager crew for a few episodes, days or weeks in Voyager time. Were they interfering with a neutral governance, or were they rescuing a member of their crew? Think about it.
@Frost3784 - The Prime Directive is quite clearly stated in earlier episodes of TNG to preclude field commissions as a shield against such things. If this wasn't the case, you could just randomly field commission anyone that was going to have something you disagreed with happen to them.
@Frost3784 - Probably not, they ignored a lot of previous canon, but it's also just common sense and, as our vulcan friend might say, 'the logical conclusion.'
@Frost3784 - And I don't really have a specific problem with that kind of thing UNTIL Janeway starts preaching about the Prime Directive and such. As a character she flitted between several personas - "survivalist doing whats neccesary", "by the book captain", and apparently when she didn't have coffee, "b----" ("Shall I flog them, too?" - Tuvok.) It's the inconsistency and mild hippocracy of the character I have a hard time with, personally.
Missed this ep. its sort of shock . seeing what you will look like in 40yrs n ur raspy voice . n she didn't smoke why didn't the whole fleet have this?
The Borg acted like idiots in this episode. Sure Voyager was powerful but the Borg had hundreds if not thousands of ships just in that area. They could have easily overwhelmed Voyager, especially considering how Voyager has a limited supply of torpedoes. Whatever losses they suffer would have been more than worth it for just the armor and torpedo.
Imagine every ship in the Collective armed with future Janeway's technology, the Borg would be unstoppable. Not even Species 8472 would be a match.
Future Janeway couldn't just bring back a decent cloak to sneak by with? This way Borg weapons will be even more powerful after analyzing future tech.
@protossrock1 The Enterprise D was a Galaxy Class Starship but overtime new technologies and more advanced models are always in the works to further progression and technological evolution.
Toward the end of the ageing Galaxy Class life cycle, it's successive starship class was already being developed known as the Sovereign Class. A few of these had been constructed already, and upon the D's destruction one of the Sovereigns was given the name Enterprise E and became the new flagship.
@RageousMode But the sovereign became the largest and most powerful federation starship in starfleet right? And was there any ship that surpassed or was considered larger than the sovereign?
@protossrock1 At the time of the last TNG/DS9/VOY era film (ST Nemesis) the Sovereign was the most powerful and "largest" Starfleet ship. Galaxy class was actually larger in terms of mass and decks (because of a "neck" and width), the Sovereign is just longer but more maneuverable. It is certainly the most powerful (aside from Voyager with these mods) but not the fastest or most maneuverable.
In decades following Nemesis it can be presumed that larger/powerful ships would be developed.
@RageousMode Try googleing "Starship Comparison" for a visual comparison. There are some good pics and charts out there. Glad to see your interest in the ships, it was my primary reason for watching the show!
I never liked the end of Voyager that much... great they got home, but it sucked Neelix didn't go with them. Also, Janeway allowed herself to be assimilated, meaning the Borg now have the future technologies :s
I agree, The armor made Voyager really look bad ass. To me it made Voyager look like a StarFleet/Covenant (Halo) hybrid. That's a whole new breed of Federation Starship right there. I bet in the aftermath of the Dominion War if StarFleet befriended the last of the Covenant Military-Elites mainly, after Arby 'n the Chief devastated their leadership in HALO 3, Star Fleet would use the Covenant technology to aid in the rebuilding of the Fleet. If Admiral Janeway's gift wasn't enough Borg are fucked
@sungleong because she wanted to save the entire "family". if she stopped the entire mission, than the 2 crews would never have been joined, 7 of 9 and Icheb would never have been liberated, Neelix wouldn't have been met. Janeway chose this moment because it is the only time where the majority of the crew(minus the ppl who died in other eps) could make it home together.
@enterprise160 He should be brought into the 24th Century and show other Starfleet captains how to seriously kick borg ass should be done! After kicking borg and dominion ass, he would take a trip to Risa and seduce some alien women XD
@Neville6000 Of course. But he knew when it was necessary to defend his ship and the federation. Plus this was only a thought. And Picard was more the intellectual type while kirk was more cowboy type
@philyburkhill1 Agree 100%. It turned into "Dragonball Z Trek" where it was all about the upgrades and proving how badass they are by destroying former uber enemies with 1 hit. Everytime they encountered a new villain I kept waiting for Janeway to laugh and be like "I'm not even using 10% of my full power!".
A franchise with a fine history of thought proving science fiction got turned into what looked like bad FAN fiction.
@enterprise160 I have 3 theories on that. Either 1) Starfleet wasnt using it because of the Temporal Prime Directive. 2) They were still in the process of studying it and hadnt applied it to the fleet yet or 3) Starfleet is applying it to all ships in the fleet and the Enterprise just hadnt been brought in for its upgrade yet. Just theories. Take from them what you will.
So it's implied that in the future, the Borg are a minimal threat. Any detailed reason given in this final episode? Seems rather ... impossible. Unless the Borg, like all 'computers' can only go so far until they can no longer advance. I read in another 20 years or so, microchips won't advance anymore unless something totally new comes along. So, is this what happened to the Borg?
With regards to your comment on microchips...something new has already come along - quantum computing. It's not viable technology yet, but there is proof of concept.
@lulle103 Not if you think about it. Janeway took those technologies back to Starfleet so they could use them and advance past them that much quicker. We dont know how many years it took Starfleet to develop those weapons: 10, 20, 30 years. But Starfleet has them now, which means they can develop more advanced weapons & defensive systems that much quicker. Besides, with the Borg in shambles, they wont be in any position to attack for a good long while if ever.
Maybe I missed something, but Janeway seems to have made some really terrible decisions here. She had a huge advanatge over the Borg, yet she let them take away much of that advantage by letting them fire on her ship for some time, letting them scan their new technology, and letting them fire on them some more before reacting. Why would she let the Borg adapt like that?
This series was so unbelievably crappy...
Jazzman1985 1 day ago
We need a new Star Trek series! NOW!
DarthZeww 3 days ago 2
what is the episode called where the doctor is left behind and hundreds of years pass.When he is braught back he finds himself in astarting a civil war.Its killing me that i cant remember.
trekranger 3 days ago
@trekranger I think it's living witness
yigjbvn 3 days ago
@yigjbvn No thats not it,but thanks.I'll keep looking
trekranger 3 days ago
@trekranger
"Living Witness" [season 4] the Doctor's backup EMH is found on a planet 700 years after a civil war with the history of the war so changed that "Warship Voyager" was made to blame for many of the civil war's ills. Once the Doctor was activated he set the record straight.
ShutUpH00ker 2 days ago
@ShutUpH00ker Your right. Thanks .this is my favorate episode.well one of.
trekranger 1 day ago
Wouldn't the Nacelles still be vulnerable?
Zorn27 1 week ago
@Zorn27 NO
whitemanstand72 6 days ago
@Zorn27 The armor covers them, too, unless you mean the Bussard collectors and the blue plasma grilles...
DrejStinger1986 1 day ago
I am Ironship!
lcyw20 1 week ago 7
we need a star trek channel on cable!
trekranger 1 week ago 13
@trekranger With over 700 episodes from all the different Star Trek series there's certainly enough content for one.
Simple1Jack 3 days ago
@trekranger - Old (and new?) TV shows, films, documentaries, cartoons, fan films, sponsored productions... why on earth isn't someone doing this?
rakkav 18 hours ago
Voyagers version of Saucer Separate aka "prepare for ultimate battle" how epic! XD
StuartTheGamerNerd 1 week ago
I love the transphasic torpedoes. The Borg cubes just pop like balloons. ;)
KaiserJames 1 week ago
Bridge to Engineering.
Yes, Captain?
Activate god mode.
SOOOOOOO BS FREAKING HAX. xD
AirIUnderwater 1 week ago 5
When I saw this episode for the first time, I can remember thinking how awesome it was to see the Voyager getting some well deserved payback on the Borg, and watching the third cube cower like a dog and run like hell.
iAMTreydiddy 1 week ago
I'm waiting for SfDebris to do a review on this.
NateSean 2 weeks ago
The temporal cold war is, like anything else related to time travel in Trek, a massive contrivance. They hadn't even thought of that when they were arsing around penning stories for VOY. There are two ways you can go with time travel a) don't do it and keep things making sense or b) do it, and have every semblance of continuity thrown to the wind. They chose b, repeatedly.
Syphadeus 2 weeks ago
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SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
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@Syphadeus
"The temporal cold war is, like anything else related to time travel in Trek, a massive contrivance."
Or just a preferable alternative to another "Year of Hell" LOL
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
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SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
It's not like time travel ever makes sense anyway. The Borg can travel through time (FC) so if they want technical perfection why don't THEY just travel through time and get a few Cube building tips from their future selves?
Syphadeus 2 weeks ago
@Syphadeus
I guess because we won the Temporal Cold War. Didn't anyone watch "Enterprise?"
No, serious, I'm asking-- didn't ANYONE?
Come on, SOMEBODY must have!
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
lol 2 torpedoes destroy whole cube. Typical star trek series as opposed to st movies and st games
smoku46 2 weeks ago
@smoku46
Typical Voyager.
Every encounter with the Borg should have been Wolf 359.
rkyeun 2 weeks ago
@smoku46
A Galaxy-class starship would wreck a Constitution-class if it went back in time and fought one. The upgrades done on the ship in this episode were from 60 years in the future. The Borg had no defense. Of course they beat the shit out of them. Would you expect the original Enterprise to be able to stand up to the Enterprise-A in power?
Draknfyre 1 week ago 3
@Draknfyre YES BUT IT'S MORE LIKE 1701-D VS THE Lysian Alliance FROM THE NEXT GENERATION EPISODE Conundrum OR A BORG TACTICAL CABE GOING BACK TO 22ND CENTURY (NX-01 ERA) NO ONE AND NOTHING COULD STOP IT NOT EVEN THE XINDI, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SCENE IN FILM COMMANDO WERE THE HERO TAKES OUT AN ENTIRE ARMY SINGLE HANDED
jetfire1153red 4 days ago
Now imagine this with the Enterprise-D.
kappapi560 2 weeks ago
I guess they called 'Pimp My Ride'...and the Borg Queen is hatin'
OkamsRazer 2 weeks ago 2
All it's missing is a Photonic Cannon!
OhManTFE 2 weeks ago 2
Voyager needs a nerf.
Tornado15555 3 weeks ago
"Endgame" sucked so many balls
80smusicfanNO1 3 weeks ago
@Borg639 Yeah but don't forget that the technology that you just saw I.e the armor and the transphasic torpedoes were given to janeway from technology that was 30 or 40 years into the future.
add996 3 weeks ago
2 Janeways. So does one know about Captain Braxton, and the other doesn't, or maybe Braxton knows about this, or will find out? You never know where Braxton will be. Uuuhm, make that "when."
TheRantingCabbie 3 weeks ago
It takes a whole fleet... a MASSIVE fleet to take down 1 borg cube and failed... and it takes 1 fucking ship in voyager that IS voyager to take down an entire collective?!?!?! DO NOT APPROVE.....
Borg639 3 weeks ago
@Borg639 I think that was because the torpedoes were based on future technology, brought back by Admiral Janeway (just right with the badass armor thing)!
xaaosfund 2 weeks ago
@xaaosfund I guess you are right... but since when did Voyager have armour? xDDD
Borg639 2 weeks ago
@Borg639 Since Admiral Janeway came from the future and brought with her advanced technology, which the Voyager crew installed.
I know it may sound kinda ridiculus, but it's SCI-FI afterall. :)
xaaosfund 2 weeks ago
@xaaosfund
Yep, just go back in time and fix it.
And of course all the people wiped out of existence because they were never born, that's just collateral damage.
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
@Borg639
I would think that armor can't be transported, or else they could just keep beaming it back into place as it got eroded.
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
@SovereignStatesman Not sure where they got it in the first place.
Borg639 2 weeks ago
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@Borg639
The original Batman movie with Michael Keaton LOL
He had a radio-link to the Batmobile where he said "shields" and they'd just pop up out of nowhere over the whole exterior using equally cheesy animation.
In the plot, however, they got it from Admiral Janeway in the future... which is, of course, just plain CHEATING.
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
Glad to see I'm not the only one that loved the Voyager series finale. Alice Krieg back as the first (and best) Borg Queen. Would have loved to have seen the look on her face when that first cube went up. lol.
ImperialAtlantis 3 weeks ago
a single torpedo able to destroy a cube. what the hell is in that thing?
lendial 3 weeks ago
@lendial
Picard juice....
sidar87 3 weeks ago
@lendial A starved Honey Badger.
AeronPeryton 3 weeks ago
Who or what the borg queen really is hasn't been told. She seems to be a central hub of some kind for the borg, but the real question is: is she a person or a program within the borg? We see her destroyed in "First Contact" and yet she's in Voyager as well. Picard makes reference in FC about the queen being present on the original borg cube that attacked Earth...saying that he remembered her being there. It seems she can be destroyed physically, but something of her still exsists.
Shadowshard73 3 weeks ago
@Shadowshard73 there are multiple queens
Lone77Wolf 3 weeks ago
@Lone77Wolf Another possibility. A different queen for a different sector of the galaxy or group of borg. This would seem to imply the borg isn't completely of one mind though. More like one mind in a certain area of the galaxy.
Shadowshard73 3 weeks ago
@Shadowshard73 no search origin of the borg you find out what you want to know
Lone77Wolf 3 weeks ago
didnt that borg queen die in first contact?
PhsykoOmen 4 weeks ago
@PhsykoOmen multiple queens
Lone77Wolf 3 weeks ago
@Fuleadeare Frightened? No. Frustrated? She was willing to blow up an entire Borg cube just to kill Janeway back in "Unimatrix, Part II." Frustrated? Absolutely! haha
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
Too bad Voyager is terrible. Can't even get through two episodes.
ProtoformX 4 weeks ago
@ProtoformX Depends on the episode. It varies between being awesome and awful, on an episode to episode basis. Completely terrible choice of writers.
andromidius 4 weeks ago
@andromidius I'll have to take your word for it. Maybe if there was a master list of good Voyager episodes so I could skip the lemons...?
ProtoformX 4 weeks ago
@ProtoformX The show is available on Netflix Instant Watch. If an episode turns out lame, skip to the next.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@ProtoformX I presume you dislike "Star Trek?"
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@Frost3784 That would be incorrect. I dislike the 3rd season of TOS, dislike some of TNG. Dislike Star Trek V, and Nemesis. Dislike Voyager, and Enterprise.
Love the first two seasons of TOS. Love most of TNG. Love all the other movies. Love almost all of DS9.
ProtoformX 4 weeks ago
@ProtoformX What was wrong with "Star Trek's" 3rd season? What's so bad about Voyager and Enterprise?
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
Something has bothered me about this episode and it was to do with the timeline (not facebook lol) so anyway. Future Janeway goes back in time with her advancements in anti Borg tech. Gets her crew home (yippie) however in the process she has allowed 30 year future tech to be scanned by the Borg 30 years before its created. So in 30 years time Starfleet will be like "OMG LOOK HOW ADVANCED OUR TECH IS!!!1" and the Borg will be all like "LOLZ HAD THAT STUFF 30 YEARS AGO! CHECK THIS OUT PEW PEW!"
mungabba 4 weeks ago
@mungabba Scanning the technology wouldn't have told them how to replicate it. They would need access to the Voyager computers and the knowledge in the mind of Future Janeway. My problem with this episode as with almost all the time travel episodes is the problem of the time paradox.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@davenielsen78 Admiral Janeway was assimilated, and perhaps her shuttlecraft too.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@Frost3784 But she passed on a virus or something which destroyed the Queen and that cube, so the knowledge - if it was gained at all - was lost.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@davenielsen78 The sphere pursuing Voyager had already adapted the shield armor from Admiral Janeway's assimilation. They couldn't stop the ship with the super torpedoes. Further, Voyager's shield armor was failing. That's why Janeway allowed the sphere to capture Voyager... carry the ship to the Alpha Quadrant, then destroy the sphere from within.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@mungabba Not an issue, the "future" glimpsed at in "Endgame" was nullified when Admiral Janeway traveled back in time. Both Starfleet (after Voyager's return) and the Borg have access to the batmobile shields and super torpedoes.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@mungabba But Starfleet would also have the tech 30 years before they originally of made it. Also the borg gets destroyed in this episode so any knowledge of the tech is destroyed. So Starfleet has the advantage.
pden94 3 weeks ago
That armor always reminds me of the Batmobile's armor from the movie "Batman".
Psiros2161 1 month ago
@Psiros2161
go wank ur dad off faggot
petujaymz 1 month ago
@Psiros2161 I agree because I thought the same thought as you.
freedomfighterguy1 1 month ago
Sure it's got great armor, but riddle me this: Can it fly?
VagianTuerous 1 month ago
Why wait til your armour is at 50% to attack. Surely you ought to attack from the off!
enzyme1210 1 month ago
@enzyme1210 They were trying to give the Borg as little time as possible to adapt.
thefinalfrontier1701 1 month ago
Holy Batman!
JMChladek 1 month ago
There was no moral depth in Voyager at all. After Roddenberry died, Star Trek wasn't itself anymore.
mrteemumilto 1 month ago
@mrteemumilto That's why Voyager and DS9 became so heavy in schlocky action sequences. The best Star Trek episodes are the ones dealing with moral issues, if we wanted mindless action we could just watch Star Wars.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@mrteemumilto - I couldn't agree with your statement more. This really, I think, is the underlying reason why the later Star Trek offerings don't sit well with older 'trekkies' - although I personally found Enterprise growing on me after a while, since the early days frontiersmanship lent itself to a little more moral flexibility.
CaitiVoltaire 4 weeks ago
Last episode should've just been Seven with a dildo crammed in her.
BarryDennen12 1 month ago
If they had got home on the first episode then the story line for the next seven seasons would have been awful... just saying...
Heatherbruce1 1 month ago
It helps to have an ex-Borg and Batmobile armor from your future self.
Frost3784 1 month ago
I never watched Voyager, what was Janeway's schtick? You know, like how Kirk was a renegade, Picard was a philosopher and Sisko was just plain bad ass.
TheRhinehart86 1 month ago
@TheRhinehart86 She was crazy and nearly got her crew killed on multiple occasions because of stupid decisions.
GortonMichael 1 month ago
@GortonMichael
and was also seriously into honour before reason, as in, would not want to break the prime directive even if doing so would get her home.
alphamone 1 month ago
@alphamone No, she wasn't. First episode. They could have got home right then with the array. Reason they didn't? The kazon would have got the array. So they blow it up with some torps.
Now, wtf? Why not just put some torps on a timer? Then they could go and the array's destroyed anyway. The first episode, and Janeway makes a really bad decision.
GortonMichael 1 month ago 7
@GortonMichael
as i said, honour before reason. She was so into preserving the prime directive that she never stopped to think about how they could solve the problem, including ways that would still follow it.
The real headdesk moment was when she felt it was her responsibility to undo the damage to a pre-warp culture that some lost ferengi did, instead of just going through the wormhole that would take them to the alpha quadrant.
alphamone 1 month ago 4
@alphamone That also proves how much of an idiot she is, and her superiors. Who would put someone you can't think a situation through properly in charge of a SPACESHIP with over 150 people on board? Also, what prime directive? That's about messing with prewarp cultures. That doesn't apply to the situation at the array at all. So she was being a retard and endangering them all. Tuvok should have relieved her of command.
The other moment was as you said facepalm worthy.
GortonMichael 1 month ago
@TheRhinehart86 Being an unstable combination of various fictional character archetypes for women, basically. In short, she was whatever the threat of the week required her to be. One episode she would be all about upholding the Prime Directive and protecting her crew, the next she'd be "Ah, fuck it, let's just shoot the shit out of them!" Even Kate Mulgrew herself sometimes despaired at the instability of the character's portrayal.
MrSinister1979 1 month ago
@TheRhinehart86 Janeway was a captain, a scientist, a mother to the "Voyager Family," and equally obsessed with the Prime Directive and finding a fast way back to Earth. Oh, and she was addicted to coffee.
Frost3784 1 month ago
@Frost3784 - For a captain so obsessed with the Prime Directive she sure was quick to ally with the Borg against a new and unknown species and interfere with the governance of other alien species.
CaitiVoltaire 1 month ago
@CaitiVoltaire Janeway made an alliance with the Borg, because Species 8472 told Kes, "Your galaxy will be purged!" The entire galaxy was at stake, thanks to the Borg. Janeway had to ally with them to clean up their mess. As for interfering with the governance of alien civilizations, I'm not sure which episodes you're referring to. That said, sometimes you have to bend the rules in the name of survival.
Frost3784 1 month ago 2
@Frost3784 - For example when she returned Icheb to his homeworld and found out that he was basically a biological weapon designed to defeat the Borg, they took him in themselves. This is interference with a neutral governance, because this action did not agree with Janeway's personal morality, which is exactly the kind of decision the Prime Directive is supposed to shield neutral planets from.
Janeway just had no Federation values to her at all. ST in general didnt after TNG.
CaitiVoltaire 4 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire The problem being that Icheb had already been a member of the Voyager crew for a few episodes, days or weeks in Voyager time. Were they interfering with a neutral governance, or were they rescuing a member of their crew? Think about it.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@Frost3784 - The Prime Directive is quite clearly stated in earlier episodes of TNG to preclude field commissions as a shield against such things. If this wasn't the case, you could just randomly field commission anyone that was going to have something you disagreed with happen to them.
CaitiVoltaire 4 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire What TNG episodes? I don't remember any of that. It's possible the writers of "Child's Play" didn't either.
Frost3784 4 weeks ago
@Frost3784 - Probably not, they ignored a lot of previous canon, but it's also just common sense and, as our vulcan friend might say, 'the logical conclusion.'
CaitiVoltaire 4 weeks ago
@Frost3784 - And I don't really have a specific problem with that kind of thing UNTIL Janeway starts preaching about the Prime Directive and such. As a character she flitted between several personas - "survivalist doing whats neccesary", "by the book captain", and apparently when she didn't have coffee, "b----" ("Shall I flog them, too?" - Tuvok.) It's the inconsistency and mild hippocracy of the character I have a hard time with, personally.
CaitiVoltaire 4 weeks ago
@TheRhinehart86 Janeway bent the rules and flat out made them up sometimes. The phrase mad murderer is a bit strong, but it isn't far off.
mungabba 4 weeks ago
Missed this ep. its sort of shock . seeing what you will look like in 40yrs n ur raspy voice . n she didn't smoke why didn't the whole fleet have this?
HarPlayer 1 month ago
The people that designed the Intrepid class watched Burton's Batman way too many times...
ZemplinTemplar 1 month ago 3
DS9 FTW.
CincinnatusSPQR 1 month ago
Voyager is a Honey badger. It does what it wants!
desertfox2403 1 month ago 29
Voyager ended as it was. Silly.
Clonetrooperkev 1 month ago
Batman wants his armor back.
Yottskry 1 month ago
We are Voyager. We will kick your ass. Resistence is futile.
poslednisoud 1 month ago 4
Borg trying to get that ship!
snowjohn751975 1 month ago
The Borg acted like idiots in this episode. Sure Voyager was powerful but the Borg had hundreds if not thousands of ships just in that area. They could have easily overwhelmed Voyager, especially considering how Voyager has a limited supply of torpedoes. Whatever losses they suffer would have been more than worth it for just the armor and torpedo.
Imagine every ship in the Collective armed with future Janeway's technology, the Borg would be unstoppable. Not even Species 8472 would be a match.
KingOfMadCows 1 month ago
why the hell do starfleet always take the time to shoot back.
593556 1 month ago
1 cube 1 shot= 5% drop instantly. 3 cubes multiple shots= only 5% drop. The writers need to learn math sometimes.
TonixTech 1 month ago
Future Janeway couldn't just bring back a decent cloak to sneak by with? This way Borg weapons will be even more powerful after analyzing future tech.
JWA8402 1 month ago
@JWA8402 if u watched the episode she did bring a cloak but it was incompatible with voyagers systems
filigrant 1 month ago
@filigrant Ah I had missed that but ya now I see. Thanks for catching that.
JWA8402 1 month ago
@JWA8402 invisibility cloaks are illegal in the Federation.
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JWA8402 1 month ago
Transphasic Torpedos..............Nice.
Lapp6192 1 month ago
One shot one kill.
OneTrueEdge 1 month ago
0:19 "OMFG! HAX!!"
andyrevell 2 months ago
Tuvoc! Deploy Bitch armour
SauceofEpic 2 months ago
Is it true that after Picard loses the enterprise D they built a more advanced version called the enterprise E?
protossrock1 2 months ago
@protossrock1 The Enterprise D was a Galaxy Class Starship but overtime new technologies and more advanced models are always in the works to further progression and technological evolution.
Toward the end of the ageing Galaxy Class life cycle, it's successive starship class was already being developed known as the Sovereign Class. A few of these had been constructed already, and upon the D's destruction one of the Sovereigns was given the name Enterprise E and became the new flagship.
RageousMode 2 months ago
@RageousMode But the sovereign became the largest and most powerful federation starship in starfleet right? And was there any ship that surpassed or was considered larger than the sovereign?
protossrock1 2 months ago
@protossrock1 At the time of the last TNG/DS9/VOY era film (ST Nemesis) the Sovereign was the most powerful and "largest" Starfleet ship. Galaxy class was actually larger in terms of mass and decks (because of a "neck" and width), the Sovereign is just longer but more maneuverable. It is certainly the most powerful (aside from Voyager with these mods) but not the fastest or most maneuverable.
In decades following Nemesis it can be presumed that larger/powerful ships would be developed.
RageousMode 2 months ago
@RageousMode Try googleing "Starship Comparison" for a visual comparison. There are some good pics and charts out there. Glad to see your interest in the ships, it was my primary reason for watching the show!
RageousMode 2 months ago
I never liked the end of Voyager that much... great they got home, but it sucked Neelix didn't go with them. Also, Janeway allowed herself to be assimilated, meaning the Borg now have the future technologies :s
MazMaslin 2 months ago
ok borg cubes used to inspire terror and such now they're just a joke
omniexistus 2 months ago
I agree, The armor made Voyager really look bad ass. To me it made Voyager look like a StarFleet/Covenant (Halo) hybrid. That's a whole new breed of Federation Starship right there. I bet in the aftermath of the Dominion War if StarFleet befriended the last of the Covenant Military-Elites mainly, after Arby 'n the Chief devastated their leadership in HALO 3, Star Fleet would use the Covenant technology to aid in the rebuilding of the Fleet. If Admiral Janeway's gift wasn't enough Borg are fucked
JohnBachofer 2 months ago
this is why the Temperal Prime Directive should be changed
Revkor 2 months ago
If Janeway can travel back in time to save her crew, why didn't she just go back to the time before caretaker brings Voyager to Delta Quadrant ?
sungleong 2 months ago
@sungleong because she wanted to save the entire "family". if she stopped the entire mission, than the 2 crews would never have been joined, 7 of 9 and Icheb would never have been liberated, Neelix wouldn't have been met. Janeway chose this moment because it is the only time where the majority of the crew(minus the ppl who died in other eps) could make it home together.
TheMarokii 2 months ago
I love the Borg
Q3hero 2 months ago
Does the armor deploying remind anyone else of the first batman movie?
alanlewis82 2 months ago
@alanlewis82 In a way it does.
dboymax1 2 months ago
Hmmm.... I honestly believe that Captain Janeway is a Republican even though Kate Mulgrew is a Democrat ;-)
Servodude1 2 months ago
Imagine if Captain Kirk had access to such bad ass tech like transphasic torpedos and this armor?
dboymax1 2 months ago
@dboymax1
I'd feel bad for any Klingons who crossed him.
enterprise160 2 months ago
@enterprise160 He should be brought into the 24th Century and show other Starfleet captains how to seriously kick borg ass should be done! After kicking borg and dominion ass, he would take a trip to Risa and seduce some alien women XD
dboymax1 2 months ago
@dboymax1: Captain Kirk is more of a peaceful man at heart, haven't you heard?
Neville6000 2 months ago
@Neville6000 Of course. But he knew when it was necessary to defend his ship and the federation. Plus this was only a thought. And Picard was more the intellectual type while kirk was more cowboy type
dboymax1 2 months ago
@Neville6000 Plus it was just a thought exercise
dboymax1 2 months ago
@Neville6000 I hear he likes mudkips now
Gorandius1256 1 month ago
Everything wrong with what Star Trek became after TNG/DS9. Sad.
philyburkhill1 2 months ago
@philyburkhill1 Agree 100%. It turned into "Dragonball Z Trek" where it was all about the upgrades and proving how badass they are by destroying former uber enemies with 1 hit. Everytime they encountered a new villain I kept waiting for Janeway to laugh and be like "I'm not even using 10% of my full power!".
A franchise with a fine history of thought proving science fiction got turned into what looked like bad FAN fiction.
EmperorofCartoons 2 months ago
ok, now, after seeing this i want someone at star trek online to explain to me why my transphasic mines do absolutly dick to the borg
xaviorbat 2 months ago
@xaviorbat probably they adapted...lol
ababil001 2 months ago
I wonder why the Enterprise E wasn't refitted with this technology in Star Trek: Nemesis.
enterprise160 2 months ago
@enterprise160 I have 3 theories on that. Either 1) Starfleet wasnt using it because of the Temporal Prime Directive. 2) They were still in the process of studying it and hadnt applied it to the fleet yet or 3) Starfleet is applying it to all ships in the fleet and the Enterprise just hadnt been brought in for its upgrade yet. Just theories. Take from them what you will.
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enterprise160 2 months ago
@phoenix1985
Great points! Too bad Picard didn't have the technology, though. Shinzon's ship, the Scimitar, would have been toast.
enterprise160 2 months ago
@enterprise160 Definetly. 1 Transphasic torpedo and the Scimitar would have been dust.
phoenix1985 2 months ago
@phoenix1985: All good, and probably all true, too.
Neville6000 2 months ago
@enterprise160 .Continuity is not exactly the strongest point of the (current) star trek writers.
ainumahtar 2 months ago
Why firing 2 torpedo's at the first cube, while 1 does it all at the second?
Waste of torpedo's.
Snowwie88 2 months ago
Voyager managed to load windows 7 onto the borg mainframe.
supressorgrid 2 months ago 19
@supressorgrid Pretty sure it was Vista, 7 is quite good.
GeneralArrow 1 month ago 23
@GeneralArrow No, it had to have been DOS.
scorch6200 1 month ago
@GeneralArrow No it was Windows Millennium
ChompChompNomNom 1 month ago
@GeneralArrow nah it was a combo of MAC and Win Vista
Salacnar 1 month ago
@GeneralArrow 7 blows.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@supressorgrid no vista
FergDaddy101 1 month ago
I don't think so, the Borg of the future would still be a threat. e.g. Any WWII army would seem irrelevant to most modern armies of today.
ThanatoselNyx 2 months ago
So it's implied that in the future, the Borg are a minimal threat. Any detailed reason given in this final episode? Seems rather ... impossible. Unless the Borg, like all 'computers' can only go so far until they can no longer advance. I read in another 20 years or so, microchips won't advance anymore unless something totally new comes along. So, is this what happened to the Borg?
Uridien 3 months ago
@Uridien
With regards to your comment on microchips...something new has already come along - quantum computing. It's not viable technology yet, but there is proof of concept.
Restayvien 2 months ago
Enterprise-E could have used that armor during "Nemsis". I guess Starfleet was still working on it.
GriffithAMPS 3 months ago
Badass Janeway FTW
melanyebaggins 3 months ago
Did she just expose the borg to future tech? Making those weapons useless before they are invented?!
lulle103 3 months ago
@lulle103 Not if you think about it. Janeway took those technologies back to Starfleet so they could use them and advance past them that much quicker. We dont know how many years it took Starfleet to develop those weapons: 10, 20, 30 years. But Starfleet has them now, which means they can develop more advanced weapons & defensive systems that much quicker. Besides, with the Borg in shambles, they wont be in any position to attack for a good long while if ever.
phoenix1985 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
THIS is why Voyager ship could beat ANY other ship lol
Necrodius 3 months ago
Maybe I missed something, but Janeway seems to have made some really terrible decisions here. She had a huge advanatge over the Borg, yet she let them take away much of that advantage by letting them fire on her ship for some time, letting them scan their new technology, and letting them fire on them some more before reacting. Why would she let the Borg adapt like that?
pyr0static 3 months ago