It's when you only let so many replies go through and the ones you don't when they have all been on topic. If you are a student then you are self-integrated much more then those a cure would be for. Also not many interpret a cure as abortion and find sensibility about the topic easier to come by. Students trying to evade human rights by saying I want to kill myself and other times they just say the likes of me want pity. Seems like noble peace price winners in the making. As if it's canned meat.
@TheAutismLeadership 1) you've been off topic. I've told you numerous times, and you've failed to contain yourself. 2) you make a lot of inaccurate & uninformed generalizations and assumptions that have no basis, nor do you have the experience to make said judgments about me. 3) you've used circular logic and augments, showing no advancement in the discussion.
@TheAutismLeadership I've been more than patient with you for far. However, no more of your comments of this sort will be approved, and I will ban you should you persist.
If one persons sensitivities are for political reasons like abortion and other political concerns which may evade the societal pursuit for chosen absolute remedies under human rights law what's to say someone else not being sensitive to preserve their own rights is just as equally needing of sensitivity in the preservation of those rights. The right to dignity does not evade my and others rights to have our choices enhanced by means of research. The law is clear.
@zikasilver1 That goes two ways. If someone finds something a bigotry when it's obviously not another persons human rights cannot be evaded simply because of the sensitivity politics attempting to evade individual human rights. I am an American. Also I am a public advocate and work with media, broadcasting and the public. I have no problems being part of any community. If some social cliques don't appreciate the causes for other peoples choices they are welcome to keep to themselves.
@zikasilver1 I am so so so sorry about that sorry and im sorry for my language its just things like that make me go oh. I know sorry dosent change anything please spam my comment remove it do what ever i apologize i am so very sorry you not those words i said to you i should of read the description im so stupid i so wrong. Sorry again bilions of aploligies
For everyone that thinks this video is sick or disturbed, it's not. This is metaphorically what everyone wants a cure to be. Fix the autistic person, by rewriting their mind. Destroy the mind of the autistic individual and replace with a new normal mind. Whole new personality, whole new person. Those of us on the spectrum don't really approve of the sick plot to destroy us and replace us with a pod person.
A cure is something that one can choose and is a human right. Evading human rights can be politically enforcing your choices on others. - Autism self-advocate
@zikasilver1 Most have not been asked. Also a cure is for adverse symptoms and not the entire person. From one individual to the other you got symptoms which are applicable and not to the other person. I'd pluralize the word cure to cures but in public relations for treatment advancements since autism is not plural such as autisms it would be hard for the public to figure out cures for autism. Who wouldn't want to advance a cure agenda for the inability to speak and sensory integration?
@TheAutismLeadership At the same time, Autism is not a disease that is so easily defined by symptoms. It is a pervasive developmental disorder that affects all parts of how the brain operates. So to treat symptoms, or "cure", would literally be removing the autistic brain and replacing with a non-autistic brain. As for those adverse symptoms; adverse for the autistic, or for the non-autistic caregivers? Besides, ability to speak doesn't mean ability to articulate or communicate well....(cont)
@zikasilver1 Too literal. If you are against the cure idea it's easy to imagine such things. A cure for me would be sensory integration and less hyper-focus. For other people with autism their hyper focusing and sensory disabilities are not much of a problem and sometimes even a good thing. The cure concept does not prevent the world from becoming more embracing of difference with regards to inclusion. I think cure just means others want to help and does not mean hate.
@TheAutismLeadership huh, you'd think that talking to another autistic, some level of literalness is to be expected. However, the term "cure" for what you're describing is wrong. I'd use the words support and accommodation. Cure refers to Autism as a medical disease, and current science dictates that the only way to cure or prevent Autism is to kill/abort the autistic person, since it's genetic and forms while in the womb...
@zikasilver1 Cure is an awareness modality deriving compassion to develop treatments. Treatments that may entirely rid an individual of one or more adverse symptom. I have never seen it proposed that anyone would conduct radical brain surgery or kill me. Cure has nothing to do with abortion politics.
@TheAutismLeadership Actually, no, that's not the definition of Cure. I suggest looking it up in a dictionary. And as for abortion politics, yes, yes it has EVERYTHING to do with abortion politics. The cure for Down's Syndrome, for example, is the abortion of 90% of people with Down Syndrome. And this has been a speculated fate for future generations of Autistics, so it is a VERY valid concern for self-advocates. I think you need to educate yourself more.
@zikasilver1 I am well educated on the issues and on the ethics of human rights and politics. Typically what happens now is since I don't agree I will be called dumb, non-educated, ignorant or another variation like stupid. The abortion issue is an ethical conflict of interest with an individuals human right toward the cure modalities potential treatment advancements. Simply a cure in concept allows autism to compete for research dollars just like cancer and so on.
@TheAutismLeadership Considering that you seem unaware of Autistic concerns about genetics and abortions, I find that hard to believe. And you're still not using definitions right. Ignorant is easily confused with "stupid", but actually means "lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: uninformed; 3. uninformed; unaware; 4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training".
@zikasilver1 I am fully aware of the issues. The abortion issue also comes down to what Iv'e seen others with autism but they were online say a female with autism has the right to abortion. The abortion issue is a conflict of interest with the right to absolute remedy of one or more symptoms by choice. Choice, human rights, abortion and politics can also be found in most dictionaries.
@TheAutismLeadership And once again, you've failed to address the issue that abortion, as it stands, is the only cure for Autism, as well as murdering of already-born Autistic individuals. It's not an issue of abortion rights, but that the cure is abortion. You seem to be mixing topics here. This is about a cure for Autism. I will not approve of any more comments that are off topic.
@TheAutismLeadership okay no, this is too funny. Did you just accuse me of political manipulation/agenda? On YOUTUBE????? on a video that's over 2 years old?
Because really, this is the perfect forum for a Canadian to be politically manipulating an American, eh?
@zikasilver1 It seems like we will have fun in some political bantering. In none of my videos do I sensor the replies automatically. If you want to shape the debate so you win in your own authored social sphere go for it but in other spheres that do not control free speech it tends to evolve to better understanding.
@TheAutismLeadership the approval system is quite reasonable when you realize that I'm a student and like to be on top of heated discussions. Therefore, the only objection you really have is that I don't let you spam the comments with off-topic issues, repetitive comments and insults, which is totally my right as owner of this video, same as if this was my blog. If you have a problem with the approval-waiting system, go complain to YouTube. Otherwise you're just pissed I called out your flaws
@TheAutismLeadership Since Autism is genetic, and contains too many possibilities of genetic factors to be able to simply remove or fix, a cure is literally murder. And for most times when cure is used for Autism, it means the elimination and prevention of Autism. Therefore, if you're advocating for a cure, you're advocating for your own death, and the murder of others. Which is why accommodations and supports is more appropriate terms.
@zikasilver1 You will find radical on each end. however I have learned not to take things at face value. The autism is a label about the negative things. When folks want to rid the planet of autism and or cure it they are speaking about removing hardship by means of treatments and not murder or brain transplants. The honest cure seeks to create happiness and human rights law seems to preserve choice already.
@TheAutismLeadership once again, please refer to previous statements regarding useage of words such as "cure", "accommodation" and "supports" and the actual definition of "cure". It's rather easy, just go look for the online dictionary.
@zikasilver1 Already have in many different dictionaries. Comes down to removing the adverse symptoms and human rights dictates individuals have a choice.
@TheAutismLeadership Considering that you've failed to use words properly with their definitions, I find that hardly unlikely that you've consulted a dictionary.
And once again, you're using circular arguments while failing to address: What are adverse symptoms? Adverse for the autistic or perceived adverse symptoms by the caregiver?
@TheAutismLeadership Also, there is a level of social responsibility that society has to accommodate people with disabilities. Yes, helping people with difficulties to self-manage and skills to navigate society helps, but there is also a responsibility to make things easier for people with disabilities. Would you really need to "cure" your sensory issues if places were more sensitive to your needs? or more understanding and accommodating? It's not a cure, since the issues still exist.
@zikasilver1 That's why I say society needs a cure as well. The opinion however is to one ended with each extreme. Middle ground is folks accommodate for each-others reality.
@TheAutismLeadership Society doesn't need a cure; it needs a change. I don't think you want to completely destroy society and recreate it, since that's quite extreme in of itself...
@zikasilver1 No was a way to balance out the conversation by denoting everyone needs a cure to enhance the acceptance of diversity. Change is a constant in this world.
@TheAutismLeadership Change is a constant, and can be either unconscious or conscious, and is applicable to many situations. "Cure" on the other hand, is a medical term. It would be wise if you were able to understand the difference and apply it to this conversation.
@zikasilver1 I don't find medical connotation insulting or insensitive automatically. Though I will admit the descriptions are not politically sensitive for side issues such as an anti-abortion agenda.
@TheAutismLeadership Maybe not for you, but for other people, these are sensitive matters, and you need to be aware of these when you address them. Especially since you are "Autism Leadership". If you want to be active in the autism community, these are issues you need to be aware of. Just because it's not true for you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@zikasilver1 Again the right to dignity is mutually granted toward individuals desiring a cure and individuals that do not. Additionally the right to perceived dignity in context to cure does not supersede the human right to cure.
@TheAutismLeadership Well, that's what you're saying when you use cure like you do. It doesn't mean what you think it does, it does NOT mean aid in accommodation and supports, which is what you've been using it as.
@zikasilver1 I think you have a fundamental fear of the idea of cure for other political reasons. To get down into the technical of cure and the diverse nature of autism symptoms I could pluralize cure as cures for differing symptoms. Accommodation and supports can play a role in absolute treatment of symptom(s). A cure for autism does differ from a cure for cancer for instance.
You could say that about cure, but you'd still be using the word wrong. And while the form of treatment may be different, yes, a cure for Autism is the same as a cure for cancer; ultimately, the removal and elimination of the infection, disease or disorder.
@TheAutismLeadership I'm repeating myself here, since apparently you are to: "As for sensory overload, please go look at scientific studies. I know people with Sensory Processing Disorder, and there's no cure for it. Only self-managing, accommodations and supports."
@TheAutismLeadership (cont). I'd much rather be unable to speak and be able to communicate freely in society, then learn how to speak and be unable to communicate when I really need to.
If society were more accepting and adapted to accommodate communication and sensory differences, then those so called adverse symptoms you feel need to be cured, would no longer be an issue. Why cure what isn't broken? Just because something if different, doesn't mean that it's wrong.
@zikasilver1 The ideal world is a world everyone gets their way. Regrettably this requires everyone gets their way when others want their way as well. I have autism and there are the disability parts, different aspects of me and the so called normal aspects to me as well. Having a disability is not my fault nor is it my assumption to believe I am fundamentally defective but experience difficulties. I just don't find myself very emotionally sensitive to words.
@TheAutismLeadership I think that you need to be more sensitive to words, and be aware of all the possible meanings to words, because not everyone means the same thing. If you don't, it is very likely that you will meet people like me who are acutely sensitive to words, and who are less likely to be reasonable about discussing things. I would suggest that if nothing else, this conversation be a lesson in how words differ in the same community.
@TheAutismLeadership Also, I'm not going to wait around until someone tries to force me into taking a pill or undergo a surgery to "cure" me; I'm going to do what I'm doing right now, be outspoken about my opinions, wants and needs. I don't need anyone's permission or wait until I'm asked to let that be known.
@zikasilver1 I think your doing a good job at standing up for yourself. However those with autism that do want a cure which is a remedy for adverse symptoms have the human right as well. Your human right is intact for the objection to having a cure for yourself.
@TheAutismLeadership You still need to answer my question: Adverse symptoms for the autistic person, or adverse symptoms for the caregiver that an autistic person is made to feel needs curing? Because there's a big difference. Again, I state that a lot of things about Autism that people think need curing don't actually need curing. The problem is that a lot of things in our society environment is set up for people with different needs and sensory input.
@zikasilver1 That is not for me to decide and is a human rights issue. However individuals have the human right to cure. Evading cure simply because one feels judged by it does not supersede the right to cure advancements. That is to say the right to dignity of one does not supersede the right to absolute remedy for another. I think the law simply dictates should someone be in impending danger and not be treated the caregiver could get in trouble.
@TheAutismLeadership Your augments are circular; we're talking about Autism here and the concept of what a cure means to autistic individuals. And currently, cure means the elimination of Autism altogether, which scientifically as basic as possible, would mean killing the person. Arguments concerning law is irrelevant, since not all of us live in the same country. But currently, a "cure" would violate your human right to life.
@zikasilver1 The topic is basic human rights potentials and the interpretation based on side issues such as abortion which has nothing to do with cure. When you speak of murder it is like a fundamentalist. When you imply all people or most people with autism feel a certain way about an issue it is also false. The autism label is about the negatives and nothing in the DSM shows the positives but focuses on the negatives. That is how a disorder book works. I simply don't invent into concepts.
@TheAutismLeadership I have never stated that I speak for all Autistics; I've stated that I'm illustrating a view held by quite a lot of autistics. Honestly, I've found more people who share this view about an Autism cure than those who don't. As for the DSM, it's a man-made perception, subject to be changed, so I wouldn't use that for the basis of everything.
As for topic, no, that's what you're bringing up into this. This video is about Autistic perspectives of cure, please keep on topic.
@zikasilver1 Everything has been on topic. Also I'd say treating my autism is not murder of my personality, self or life as a whole. I am very much aware of the issues.
@TheAutismLeadership Really? because you've said that you were unaware of any plans to cure Autism in the terms of which I speak, or any of the concerns that quite a lot of Autistics have about it.
Of course, you aren't using the right definition of cure....
@zikasilver1 I think folks need to sit down and talk about the issues where real voices can be heard. Abortion is not a cure. The honest cure enables treatments that have the potential of absolute remedy. Sure organizations can use the cure concept to create means for abortions to take place. However cure obviously is not abortion. I am very much open to the idea that the concept of cure can be abused but at the same time the true meaning of cure is an individuals human right. Issues don't mix.
@TheAutismLeadership Actually, if you have been following the science surrounding Autism, you know that the current causes for Autism is complex and multi-gene in nature, thus there is no way to make a person un-Autistic, and thus the only way to cure Autism is to eliminate the Autistic person via abortion or murder.
And issues mix all the time. Nothing is completely isolated or exists in a vacuum. Welcome to reality.
@zikasilver1 Yes part of the science of socializing is figuring out bias and conflict of interest. If others have misused the word cure thats there agenda. However a cure for adverse symptoms when one perceives a symptom to be adverse is a human right. Saying a cure for sensory overload is not possible is not scientific.
@TheAutismLeadership considering how you've stated that your "cure" is aid in accommodation and supports, I still find that you're using the word cure wrong.
As for sensory overload, please go look at scientific studies. I know people with Sensory Processing Disorder, and there's no cure for it. Only self-managing, accommodations and supports.
@TheAutismLeadership (cont) If our environment is adjusted to be more accommodating to people with more sensitivities, then it becomes less of an issue. It's a matter of society and people becoming more empathetic to their fellow human beings
Thank you for this video. It says it like it is. My parents are trying to force me to have this experimental procedure that might "help" my Autism. Pretty much what they want to do to all of us is erase what makes us different from them.
Check it out. The NTs dehumanize us and push this cure shit every day, and we finally tell it like it is, and state in plain language what a cure would mean to us, suddenly we're being offensive. To..... ourselves?
First of all, I am also someone who appreciates a good sense of dark humor, and don't find this sick at all. In fact, I find it to be a well needed dose of reality for parents who think that Chelating or whatever other quack cure they're trying on their Autistic child, can lead to death, and they should be regarded as murderers.
I also wanted to reference a Aqua Teen Hungerforce joke, don't be surprised if your kid after receiving their fake brain keeps saying, "I do what now?"
@fabio1845 If you had bothered to look up my profile, you would have realized that I am already autistic.
In any rate, you cannot catch autism, as it is not a disease. I have been autistic from birth, as is your brother.
Your comments and regard towards autism is disrespectful of all autistic people, including your brother. I hope that you love your brother better than that.
@ASDogGeek yeah, that's pretty much the point. Current science shows that Autism affects too much of a person to really have an area to "fix", therefore, the only way to cure Autism is to eliminate, well, everything.
Another pt on ADHD & Asperger's. With the exception of the one guy I mentioned having both it seems like ADHD ppl tend 2 be very unstructured and are thrill-seeking whereas people who have aspergers are usually very rule-oriented and prefer sameness. Also I know many ADHD ppl who r very social. If they miss a social cue its cause they werent paying attention but if they pay attention they get it.
1 thing I don't get is how not liking to be touched is related to hypersensitivity. Does that mean that all humans actually hate touch but most people can tolerate it because they aren't hypersensitive to it? It would seem like if a normal person enjoyed human touch then if you were hypersensitive to it then since the sensation would be amplified it would be that much better.
lemme put it this way, imagine that being touched by a person was so intense that it becomes painful. Would you like to be touched often if that were the case?
I can't speak on behalf of all humanity. Please remember that hyper- and hypo- sensitivity is not a characteristic of ASDs, but is rather common with us. And each of us who is sensitive is unique with their problems. Some ways of getting around it will work with some people, when with others it wont.
I find that if something is pleasureable and you amplify it it becomes more pleasureable. Amplify pain becomes more painful. I never heard of pleasure turning into pain if it becomes too much. If pain is not very intense it can be ignored but I doubt pain turns into pleasure if you deintensify it.
Another question, what if a person had autism but was masochistic would they enjoy touching a lot?
you seem to not understand. we do not have the same senses. Not all touch is pleasurable, just as not all touch is painful. Touch that is pleasurable/comforting is often in stims. Touch that is uncomfortable tends to be overwhelming that it becomes painful. Think nails on a chalkboard. Does that bother everyone?
As autistic people are people too, they would also be included in sexual behaviour and such practices. So yes, it is reasonable that there are autistic masochists.
Yes I know not all touch is pleasureable and not all touch is painful. What I dont understand is why hypersensitivity would cause someone not to like any human touch. It's not like all human touch is painful. In fact just the opposite for much of it. Take hand-shaking. A relatively unstimulating activity compared 2 others but if I had 2 put it into a pleasure or pain category Id say "pleasure", so Id expect a hypersensitive person 2 experience strong pleasure at hand-shaking rather than hate it.
As 4 masochism I was just wondering because of "touching" is ordinarily painful then wouldn't masochism make it pleasureable? So if a person was born autistic but also masochistic would it decrease the chance of the person being diagnosed as autistic(since they would not react negatively to being touched)?
I stim. I'm hypersensitive. When I go over my limits, I revert to a "low-functioning" autistic state. And I would not cure a part of it, not change a single thing about being autistic.
I hear things that no one else does, experience the world in a totally unique and wonderful way. There is nothing broken about autism that needs to be fixed.
one side note I just wanted to point out. Autism is a developmental disorder, affecting development. Which means that we are not static; as we age, we learn more about what we can and can't do, our limits and how to accommodate the world in our lives. What helps the best is encouragement, acceptance and inclusion in the classroom, social sphere and workplace so that we can build on our strengths to overcome weaknesses. A lot of us can do it on our own, but support from others is appreciated.
...then they might start learning the things they missed out on as a result of the social isolation they put themselves through due to their fear and low self-esteem.
NOTE: Not saying this is the case everytime but when diagnosing for ASDs I just think it would be useful to ask about certain things to rule out the possibility of social anxiety/APD or a history of that causing the poor social skills. Its important to get diagnosises correct.
it's not just social isolation/anxiety that marks autism; it's qualitative difficulties in communication, behaviour and social skills.
They DO look at other things before jumping into an autism diagnosis. At least, any proper doctor does.
And personally, even I will tune out the world if it's uninteresting enough for me to deem worthy to interact with. So maybe instead of social anxiety, it's because we don't really care for what's going on.
Social anxiety or ADP where a person withdraws due 2 fears could also lead to difficulties in communication, behavior, & social skills because the person withdraws and doesnt experience as much as they would have. Thats why there can sometimes be misdiagnosis. A 10-year old who is intensely self-conscious and afraid of what others think to the point where there is little if any out-of-school interaction and is like that 4 years will probably have poor social skills even tho they arent autistic.
you're forgetting, to diagnose autism, a psychiatrist will look at a patient's history in order to determine whether one's social anxiety is because of autism or completely independent.
Also, there are many autistic people who get misdiagnosed with conditions that are confused for autism, or is merely a part of autism, such as OCD.
Personally, I think the autism rates are a lie and that there is actually a huge amount of autistic people not being diagnosed.
As for it being neurological and genetic. Maybe true for real autism. But I can see how a person could act in ways that seem mildly autistic as a result of a bad experience. Or social anxiety or AVPD which are both related to bad experiences causing social anxiety and fears about social relationships could be mistaken for it since if it happens in childhood the person at an older age might not have taken the time to develop their social skills. After the anxiety or avoidance issues are gone...
there are conditions that do result in autistic-seeming traits, but fail to meet the criteria for ASD.
There's a difference. We do not outgrow autism. We learn to deal with the world.
Also, it's been noticed that the more intelligent one gets, the more higher IQ one has, the more autistic one appears.
However, ASD *IS* genetic. My entire family going back to my grandparents and all are on the autism spectrum. We're all functional, and I'm the only one with an official diagnosis.
Yes I know autistic ppl tend 2 b really smart abt some things but intelligent=/=autistic. I know a guy who's really socially intelligent but also intelligent in general. He guesses what people think & things about them by reading their faces & paying attention 2 the conversation around him & several times hes been right. U can not hide things from him. Also good at jokes & being funny in general. But he also knows a lot of interesting facts about a # of things. Compared 2 him Id b autistic.
you're missing the point. My point is that yes, a lot of have autistic traits while not actually being autistic. However, doesn't this mean that autism is a more natural human condition rather than a disease to be cured?
Autism is genetic, and cannot be removed from who we are as people. It's a part of how we think, how we feel, how we act, and to take it away is, in our position, akin to killing a part of us just so that we don't freak NTs when in public.
I can understand why u wouldnt want 2 b completely cured. I can c how some parts of autism would b valueable in giving u a unique perspective & intense interests can make some1 really smart at certain things but theres some parts I dont c as having a purpose.
What I mean is what if they could cure symptoms but not the whole thing? Would u cure "stimming", would u hypo/hypersensitivity or any other symptom? Some seem 2 lack benefits. If given the chance wouldnt u want the best of both worlds?
everyone stims. pacing, knee bouncing, pen tapping, siting in rocking chairs; those are quiet stims. And everyone does it.
Stimming does have a purpose; it deals with excess energy and helps to release pent up emotions. It is a coping mechanism for stress and fear, a method of concentrating and a way to express and communicate feelings.
In a way, stimming is our natural language.
And you can't separate parts of autism like that. That is like cutting off a hand.
OK maybe u have a point about stimming. Even I shake my legs if I have 2 stay still 4 2 long. Thought it was Restless Leg Syndrome but it never happens when Im trying 2 sleep. Still I c no benefit 2 not wanting 2 b touched. Wouldnt it b good 2 at least b neutral 2 touching even if u couldnt understand the social significance of it? Also dont c the pt in loud stims vs quiet ones. If u could change them from loud 2 quiet y not?
heh, I thought I had Restless Leg Syndrome too, because of twitching and pain in my legs. but the sleep study came back with Sleep Apnea and my family doc said I have weak knees, causing me to develop arthritis. Now, those, I'd gladly cure, as it causes me a lot of pain.
Strangely theres no pain. Maybe the leg shaking is a tic. I have Turets. It just feels different than tics usu do.
Hey I can sympathize with u. I mean we do tend 2b more intelligent & athletic(though I only got the intelligence down). I wouldnt want 2 lose that but if they could just stop the tics w/o changing anything else Id b happy. Its very mild esp w/ the help of somecontroversial medicine that is effective & has few side effects:) Noone notices long as I use my medication occassionally.
I have anxiety issues and OCD tendencies, but I manage them with my medication too. I take a whole lot of painkillers cause I'm not old enough for surgery or something, and I sleep with a breathing assisting device called C-PAP. It kind of stinks.
Personally, I'd rather the research money goes to social assistance programs, curing cancer and end poverty, war and abuse rather than researching a cure to autism. Yeah, I have difficulties, but I won't die from them.
it's not all touch. I like having my hair played with, my back rubbed. I'm not used to intimate touch, although it kind of depends on the person. Some people are too skinny to be comfortable hugging.
See, we can learn what things mean. We just have to learn consciously instead of unconsciously.
Although yes, we can have sensory issues; it does allow us to develop relations that aren't purely physical, have deeper relationships.
I'm just pointing out that just because we have sensory problems with touch doesn't mean we can't develop lasting and meaningful relationships. We just don't base it only on physical and part of the relationship is understanding that physical contact isn't necessary to show affection, even compromising with affectionate gestures.
We tend to look for lifetime relationships so we want friends that will accept us as we are & support us as we to them
As 4 learning consciously how far can that go? If an autistic made ppl their special interest & obsessively learned what different facial expressions, voice tones, etc. meant could they learn them? Would u even b able 2 tell? Could they actually become better at NTs at social skills if they focused on social skills obsessively? But then would it even b diagnoseable as autistic(thinking it wouldnt since the core symptom would b missing) even if the brain is wired the same?
Considering myself and the many many many adult autistics who regularly interact with NTs, I'd say so. And the fact that no one realizes I'm autistic probably says that I'm good at socializing, or at least mimicking. I've even counseled friends about social and relationship problems. And I know there's a few Hollywood actors that are autistic.
We are still autistic because we have trouble learning theses social skills.
(cont.) It has been noted that an autistic brain is physically different that an NT brain. Learning social skills or communication skills doesn't change the way that the brain works; it means that we've learned those skills.
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It's been discovered that in autistic brains, the areas governing social and communication skills isn't as active as an NT brain, but the area for conscious learning is greatly more active than an NT brain. Areas of an autistic brain are different sizes too.
Areas, plural? So what does happen if one area is like an autistic brain and another like an NT brain, or even abnormal but in the opposite direction of what would be autistic?
Could you for example have someone who has trouble with social skills, doesnt make eye contact, stims, but instead of liking routine has an abnormally strong craving for novelty and gets bored easily when things stay too much the same?
i say areas because I honestly can't remember which one(s). I'm not a scientist. I'm sure if you poke around the scientific studies done on autism, you'll be able to find it.
That's a good question to ask a neurologist. Maybe an entirely different wiring of the brain. Or a different variation of autism, possibly PDD:NOS.
What you need to remember is that autism is a spectrum. so like all of humanity, none of us are exactly the same. So some of us ARE better at being more flexible.
I have a theory about ADHD. Everyone reaches a point where something is too boring to pay attention. Ppl w/ ADHD just have a lower tolerance 4 boredom b4 they cant keep attention.
Society tends 2 diagnose it if it causes problems paying attention in school so say someone could have just as low a boredom tolerance as >ADHD ppl but finds academic subjects stimulating.
That's more of an opinion than a theory. A theory is based on the laws of science, after all...
It's close though; the reason why there are so many undiagnosed autistics is because if we don't cause a huge behavioural problem, it's assumed that we're "normal" and don't need help.
...They probly wont b diagnosed bcause society cares> about kids passing tests in school. any difficulty paying attention 2 other things will b ignored if school is fine. In fact from my experience that is me. Things always slip my mind, I miss so many things, i cant multitask, im disorganized, but ive always been a good student. caffeine seems 2 help.
I also think as classes become more test-oriented, dry, & uninteresting ADHD will b > diagnosed.
...I dont c the similarities. Autism is an impairment of learning social skills. ADHD means you require more stimulation than most ppl 2 pay attention. 2 separate disorders tho I do know a guy who is both ADHD & aspy.
it depends. we're a spectrum and we're often very good mimics.
So if one were to obsessively observe and mimic people, it would probably be very hard to tell whether one is autistic, possibly get misdiagnosed if some other autistic traits becomes noticeable and a disabling factor.
How otherwise do you suppose autistic adults get to mid-life and beyond without being identified or diagnosed as autistic?
I wonder if our society made learning how to read people a high priority and we even had classes on social skills & empathy from Kindergarten for all students would autistics get it because they are learning it consciously instead of unconsciously. So we could take care of autisms problems without having 2 cure it & as an added bonus have a society of social savants who always know what each other are thinking because they can read each other that well.
We would probably learn it better, actually, since the standards would all be set. It would be good for society in general, because I think it would lessen the miscommunication caused by misinterpretation.
Etiquette classes would be nice too; I've snapped at many rude people over the years. Of course, in both of these kinds of classes, we'd have to take multiculturalism into account. Different cultures have different gestures and whatnot.
stims: it's a matter of learning which stims are appropriate. I grew up suppressing my stims, which caused great meltdowns and emotional pain. But I've learned how to incorporate my stims into gestures and more socially acceptable forms, from my experiences as a child and smarts as an adult.
Childhood was a tough classroom, but I've learned valuable lessons.
Loud, destructive stims are pretty much a last resort, when other means of communicating frustration, anger and stress isn't enough.
It just seems odd 2 me that many ppl like autism & dont want 2 b cured. Doesnt seem 2 happen with any other disorder. Schizophrenia seems 2 b linked 2 more creativity but Ive never known one that didnt want 2 b cured if there was 1. Most ppl separate problems and gifts. They r 2 different things just because the gifts r found more often in ppl with certain problems doesnt mean we'll never find how 2 cure the problems but keep the gifts.
I can't speak for Schizophrenics; it's a different matter of the brain.
With us, we see our problems as being character building, providing us with alternative viewpoints, and only as a disability when they have a negative impact on our lives.
We see ourselves as a part of the human neurodiversity, seeing that many of us contribute to technology and culture. So we don't see ourselves as sick or in need of being cured.
"Schizophrenia seems 2 b linked 2 more creativity but Ive never known one that didnt want 2 b cured if there was 1."
Autism is different from other conditions in that it often entails advantages as well as disadvantages. Schizophrenia may enhance or modify creativity but that's all. Autism can have all sorts of influences, positive or negative.
Autism is a part of one's personality, development and adaptive patterns. It's complex and a lot of its problems have to do with societal attitudes rather than inherent deficiencies. Pro-cure groups ignore this and often portray autistics as soulless husks. So the notion of a cure is kind of offensive on that level. But also it's completely unrealistic given that it requires extensive brain alteration. It's a waste of resources, really, that could be better spent on services and education.
& then what about Aspergers/HFA ppl who do want to change? What about self-determination and autonomy? If there was a way to change it some people might want to doesn't mean everyone will have to. As a neurotypical Id actually like to try Aspergers for a day if it was possible. It would be a new life experience and I love new life experiences. I think temporarily (or permanently) changing how your brain should be allowed when the technology comes just like changing your hair color is now.
this isn't to say there isn't those people who want to change. But I believe this is from feelings of low self-esteem coming from being MADE to feel like they need to be cured or healed to be worth anything.
temporarily, I'd love to experience being NT for a day. It would improve my understanding of other people. But I don't want to *BE* NT, because I value my unique perspectives, feelings and thoughts.
There are autism simulations for sensory. socially, think of living in culture shock.
As for the idea that it shouldnt be cured maybe theres a point in not curing aspergers syndrome or high-functioning autism but what about low-functioning autistic people who dont communicate at all or at least not enough to be taught anything and as a result become mentally retarded? Shouldnt they at least be changed from low-functioning to high-functioning/Aspergers if it was possible?
low-functioning autism is an outside label. I honestly do not believe that it is right to label autistics in this manner and to make some of us feel more impaired or disabled. Yes, they have more obvious troubles communicating, but that's basically the difference between so-called high functioning and low functioning. The same difficulties and strengths remain. So you can't say only "cure" a group of us. It's all or nothing. We stick together. No exclusion.
Autism has existed before mercury in vaccines. The idea that the CDC is poisoning us is a conspiracy theory. Here in Canada, we've completely removed mercury from our vaccines since 2001, and yet autism diagnostic rates still remain high (1 in 165).
The real reason: better and wider diagnostic criteria.
They can look back before autism was even diagnosed at all look at cases and tell if patients wouldve been diagnosed as autistic today but even taking these statistics into account there is an increase. I think it is related to mercury. Substances can cause changes to the brain and mercury is a potent neurotoxin. I dont think its just vaccines, mercury is also released into the atmosphere from coal plants and other polluting places.
I dont think that explains all autism but it raises the risk
Alas, I know scientists that work with mercury, and mercury poisoning doesn't result in autism traits; it leads to death.
Also, there have been many studies showing no connection between autism and mercury. If so little mercury found in our environment causes it, then NT adults can suddenly develop autism, which doesn't happen, and autism rates would be much much MUCH higher and not just now, as there's more naturally occurring mercury than what we've made.
Mercury can cause death but usually things that can cause death at certain amounts can cause problems but not death at lower amounts. Put this way if a drop of a substance on a persons skin causes death chances are a small fraction of that amount inhaled would still cause problems even if not death esp if exposed 2 small amounts over time.
Childhood is a critical stage of development. There r pathways forming in ways that dont in adulthood. Adult brains might be effected in other ways tho.
"but even taking these statistics into account there is an increase"
Those statistics don't exist, and the newness of autism criteria and advances in the field do a pretty good job of accounting for increasing rates of diagnosis. Vaccines contain much less mercury than is toxic to a human being, and it does not accumulate. And there are very few if any links between autism and mercury not drawn by quacks or scam artists.
Autism has most likely existed for thousands of years, as well as other issues people have that noware more recognized as medical knowledge has advanced over the years. I have a skin disease called psoriasis, but you don't hear about it until 1841 because no one differentiated it from leprosy before then. Does this mean it didn't exist before then? No just that we didn't recognize it before that time. Autism has most likely existed for a long time and simply not been recognized for what it was.
I know several people with this autism and its nothing to joke about. I have friends who have spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatment. I know you have no control over my folder but you do have control over what vids you post. I just hope you don't offend too many people here. It's not a great way to get subscribers! I still say get rid of it or do something positive for the cause. Make vids that will help, not distract!
It's not about subscribers. This is about expressing my opinion about the pro-cure movement. My opinion in this is valid as I am an autistic individual. I have received much encouragement, agreement and approval from many like-minded autistic people. So no, I will not remove this video.
I do honestly feel sorry for your pain but again, creating a vid like this only hinders the cause. Do what you want, leave it up, I couldn't care less. I still believe your wasting your time (and mine) by complaining and not doing something positive! You could post a vid about websites that collect money, or show the progress with research. Vids like this will only alienate the people that you need the most. Good luck. I only hope that this vid will do some good for you rather than harm!
It is not pain that made this video; it is anger that people think that I need to be cured of who I am.
Hinders the cause? Which cause do you think I'm on that I'm hindering? Have you even watched the rest of my vids, or are you assuming that all my vids are complaints?
As an autistic, I think zikasilver1's video does a great deal to help the cause, since so many people have a totally skewed and sometimes dehumanizing view of autistics and what we really need is social support and understanding--that's how many of us feel, anyway. Like lots of autistics, I find the notion of a cure particularly offensive and dehumanizing, and either way it's a pretty remote possibility in comparison to the immediate good that would come of increased education and support.
"not doing something positive! You could post a vid about websites that collect money, or show the progress with research."
So, to justify the idea that we should not complain (which is just a synonym you chose for "protest" or, say, "advocate a positive change in perception") about the idea of a cure, you say we should spend our time instead supporting the idea of a cure?
Well I'm glad we seem to have driven nutsndoltz away from here. But he has recently taken up residence on another anti-cure video, and he's spouting the same garbage all over again. If anyone wants to help deal with this, either look in my favourites for the video entitled "No cure for autism" (or something like that) or find nutsndoltz's most recent comments.
...so the first thing you do when you meet some online is to disregard their expirences, research, and feelings, then call them liars in almost every post?
"It isn't known what percentages of those involved in the autism issue are on either side the divide on the autistic "pride" movement. I doubt there are as many on your side as it would appear from your side's presence and contacts. What conception of autism is correct?"
You state it isn't know, and by your own wording state that you "doubt." A doubt is not the same as knowing something. And you can hardly claim to know any information by your very point of not having a hard statistic.
Dear ND, if "Not all opinions matter", could you kindly tell me who gets to decide who's opinions do? Is it you? If so, kindly tell me who gave you that right? They didn't advertise the position properly so I didn't get to apply
Haha, that's great! I would have said something like, "Fill it with superficiality and empty words that mean and accomplish nothing."
Simbaholic 8 months ago
It's when you only let so many replies go through and the ones you don't when they have all been on topic. If you are a student then you are self-integrated much more then those a cure would be for. Also not many interpret a cure as abortion and find sensibility about the topic easier to come by. Students trying to evade human rights by saying I want to kill myself and other times they just say the likes of me want pity. Seems like noble peace price winners in the making. As if it's canned meat.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership 1) you've been off topic. I've told you numerous times, and you've failed to contain yourself. 2) you make a lot of inaccurate & uninformed generalizations and assumptions that have no basis, nor do you have the experience to make said judgments about me. 3) you've used circular logic and augments, showing no advancement in the discussion.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership I've been more than patient with you for far. However, no more of your comments of this sort will be approved, and I will ban you should you persist.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
If one persons sensitivities are for political reasons like abortion and other political concerns which may evade the societal pursuit for chosen absolute remedies under human rights law what's to say someone else not being sensitive to preserve their own rights is just as equally needing of sensitivity in the preservation of those rights. The right to dignity does not evade my and others rights to have our choices enhanced by means of research. The law is clear.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership At the same time, you need to be aware of such sensitivities if you ever want to be active in a community.
As for the law, well, that depends, which country are you in?
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 That goes two ways. If someone finds something a bigotry when it's obviously not another persons human rights cannot be evaded simply because of the sensitivity politics attempting to evade individual human rights. I am an American. Also I am a public advocate and work with media, broadcasting and the public. I have no problems being part of any community. If some social cliques don't appreciate the causes for other peoples choices they are welcome to keep to themselves.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@DoctorWhoFan891 I only approved your comment in order to reply, otherwise, I'd delete it for the language.
1) I am autistic
2) you need to read the actual "about" for the video. It's satire. To me, a cure is murder, and you'd realize that if you had bothered to READ.
Please apologize.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I am so so so sorry about that sorry and im sorry for my language its just things like that make me go oh. I know sorry dosent change anything please spam my comment remove it do what ever i apologize i am so very sorry you not those words i said to you i should of read the description im so stupid i so wrong. Sorry again bilions of aploligies
DoctorWhoFan891 9 months ago
@DoctorWhoFan891 thank you. Just be careful and make sure to read the descriptions, okay
zikasilver1 9 months ago
For everyone that thinks this video is sick or disturbed, it's not. This is metaphorically what everyone wants a cure to be. Fix the autistic person, by rewriting their mind. Destroy the mind of the autistic individual and replace with a new normal mind. Whole new personality, whole new person. Those of us on the spectrum don't really approve of the sick plot to destroy us and replace us with a pod person.
slovakia133 9 months ago
@slovakia133 I know
DoctorWhoFan891 9 months ago
A cure is something that one can choose and is a human right. Evading human rights can be politically enforcing your choices on others. - Autism self-advocate
TheAutismLeadership 10 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership at the same time, for a lot of us autistic people, a cure is the same as killing us, who we are
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Most have not been asked. Also a cure is for adverse symptoms and not the entire person. From one individual to the other you got symptoms which are applicable and not to the other person. I'd pluralize the word cure to cures but in public relations for treatment advancements since autism is not plural such as autisms it would be hard for the public to figure out cures for autism. Who wouldn't want to advance a cure agenda for the inability to speak and sensory integration?
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership At the same time, Autism is not a disease that is so easily defined by symptoms. It is a pervasive developmental disorder that affects all parts of how the brain operates. So to treat symptoms, or "cure", would literally be removing the autistic brain and replacing with a non-autistic brain. As for those adverse symptoms; adverse for the autistic, or for the non-autistic caregivers? Besides, ability to speak doesn't mean ability to articulate or communicate well....(cont)
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Too literal. If you are against the cure idea it's easy to imagine such things. A cure for me would be sensory integration and less hyper-focus. For other people with autism their hyper focusing and sensory disabilities are not much of a problem and sometimes even a good thing. The cure concept does not prevent the world from becoming more embracing of difference with regards to inclusion. I think cure just means others want to help and does not mean hate.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership huh, you'd think that talking to another autistic, some level of literalness is to be expected. However, the term "cure" for what you're describing is wrong. I'd use the words support and accommodation. Cure refers to Autism as a medical disease, and current science dictates that the only way to cure or prevent Autism is to kill/abort the autistic person, since it's genetic and forms while in the womb...
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Cure is an awareness modality deriving compassion to develop treatments. Treatments that may entirely rid an individual of one or more adverse symptom. I have never seen it proposed that anyone would conduct radical brain surgery or kill me. Cure has nothing to do with abortion politics.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Actually, no, that's not the definition of Cure. I suggest looking it up in a dictionary. And as for abortion politics, yes, yes it has EVERYTHING to do with abortion politics. The cure for Down's Syndrome, for example, is the abortion of 90% of people with Down Syndrome. And this has been a speculated fate for future generations of Autistics, so it is a VERY valid concern for self-advocates. I think you need to educate yourself more.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I am well educated on the issues and on the ethics of human rights and politics. Typically what happens now is since I don't agree I will be called dumb, non-educated, ignorant or another variation like stupid. The abortion issue is an ethical conflict of interest with an individuals human right toward the cure modalities potential treatment advancements. Simply a cure in concept allows autism to compete for research dollars just like cancer and so on.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Considering that you seem unaware of Autistic concerns about genetics and abortions, I find that hard to believe. And you're still not using definitions right. Ignorant is easily confused with "stupid", but actually means "lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: uninformed; 3. uninformed; unaware; 4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training".
Please refer to your dictionary.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I am fully aware of the issues. The abortion issue also comes down to what Iv'e seen others with autism but they were online say a female with autism has the right to abortion. The abortion issue is a conflict of interest with the right to absolute remedy of one or more symptoms by choice. Choice, human rights, abortion and politics can also be found in most dictionaries.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership And once again, you've failed to address the issue that abortion, as it stands, is the only cure for Autism, as well as murdering of already-born Autistic individuals. It's not an issue of abortion rights, but that the cure is abortion. You seem to be mixing topics here. This is about a cure for Autism. I will not approve of any more comments that are off topic.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 People tend to see through the political manipulation. No need to approve this reply here..
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership okay no, this is too funny. Did you just accuse me of political manipulation/agenda? On YOUTUBE????? on a video that's over 2 years old?
Because really, this is the perfect forum for a Canadian to be politically manipulating an American, eh?
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 It seems like we will have fun in some political bantering. In none of my videos do I sensor the replies automatically. If you want to shape the debate so you win in your own authored social sphere go for it but in other spheres that do not control free speech it tends to evolve to better understanding.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago 2
@TheAutismLeadership the approval system is quite reasonable when you realize that I'm a student and like to be on top of heated discussions. Therefore, the only objection you really have is that I don't let you spam the comments with off-topic issues, repetitive comments and insults, which is totally my right as owner of this video, same as if this was my blog. If you have a problem with the approval-waiting system, go complain to YouTube. Otherwise you're just pissed I called out your flaws
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Since Autism is genetic, and contains too many possibilities of genetic factors to be able to simply remove or fix, a cure is literally murder. And for most times when cure is used for Autism, it means the elimination and prevention of Autism. Therefore, if you're advocating for a cure, you're advocating for your own death, and the murder of others. Which is why accommodations and supports is more appropriate terms.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Too radical. That's why the point of view has failed.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Too radical? which is? Because that view on cure seems to be the most prevalent when I see it in the Autism community.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 You will find radical on each end. however I have learned not to take things at face value. The autism is a label about the negative things. When folks want to rid the planet of autism and or cure it they are speaking about removing hardship by means of treatments and not murder or brain transplants. The honest cure seeks to create happiness and human rights law seems to preserve choice already.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership once again, please refer to previous statements regarding useage of words such as "cure", "accommodation" and "supports" and the actual definition of "cure". It's rather easy, just go look for the online dictionary.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Already have in many different dictionaries. Comes down to removing the adverse symptoms and human rights dictates individuals have a choice.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Considering that you've failed to use words properly with their definitions, I find that hardly unlikely that you've consulted a dictionary.
And once again, you're using circular arguments while failing to address: What are adverse symptoms? Adverse for the autistic or perceived adverse symptoms by the caregiver?
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Also, there is a level of social responsibility that society has to accommodate people with disabilities. Yes, helping people with difficulties to self-manage and skills to navigate society helps, but there is also a responsibility to make things easier for people with disabilities. Would you really need to "cure" your sensory issues if places were more sensitive to your needs? or more understanding and accommodating? It's not a cure, since the issues still exist.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 That's why I say society needs a cure as well. The opinion however is to one ended with each extreme. Middle ground is folks accommodate for each-others reality.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Society doesn't need a cure; it needs a change. I don't think you want to completely destroy society and recreate it, since that's quite extreme in of itself...
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 No was a way to balance out the conversation by denoting everyone needs a cure to enhance the acceptance of diversity. Change is a constant in this world.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Change is a constant, and can be either unconscious or conscious, and is applicable to many situations. "Cure" on the other hand, is a medical term. It would be wise if you were able to understand the difference and apply it to this conversation.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I don't find medical connotation insulting or insensitive automatically. Though I will admit the descriptions are not politically sensitive for side issues such as an anti-abortion agenda.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Maybe not for you, but for other people, these are sensitive matters, and you need to be aware of these when you address them. Especially since you are "Autism Leadership". If you want to be active in the autism community, these are issues you need to be aware of. Just because it's not true for you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Again the right to dignity is mutually granted toward individuals desiring a cure and individuals that do not. Additionally the right to perceived dignity in context to cure does not supersede the human right to cure.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership So, given the ACTUAL definition of cure, you support people's decisions to kill themselves?
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I think inventing into what people say and think for an agenda is creative but does not always work.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Well, that's what you're saying when you use cure like you do. It doesn't mean what you think it does, it does NOT mean aid in accommodation and supports, which is what you've been using it as.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I think you have a fundamental fear of the idea of cure for other political reasons. To get down into the technical of cure and the diverse nature of autism symptoms I could pluralize cure as cures for differing symptoms. Accommodation and supports can play a role in absolute treatment of symptom(s). A cure for autism does differ from a cure for cancer for instance.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership That's nice that you think that, but I mean what I say.
You could say that about cure, but you'd still be using the word wrong. And while the form of treatment may be different, yes, a cure for Autism is the same as a cure for cancer; ultimately, the removal and elimination of the infection, disease or disorder.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Yes I'd like sensory overload to be removed thus cured so I can integrate better to enhance my choices.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership I'm repeating myself here, since apparently you are to: "As for sensory overload, please go look at scientific studies. I know people with Sensory Processing Disorder, and there's no cure for it. Only self-managing, accommodations and supports."
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership (cont). I'd much rather be unable to speak and be able to communicate freely in society, then learn how to speak and be unable to communicate when I really need to.
If society were more accepting and adapted to accommodate communication and sensory differences, then those so called adverse symptoms you feel need to be cured, would no longer be an issue. Why cure what isn't broken? Just because something if different, doesn't mean that it's wrong.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 The ideal world is a world everyone gets their way. Regrettably this requires everyone gets their way when others want their way as well. I have autism and there are the disability parts, different aspects of me and the so called normal aspects to me as well. Having a disability is not my fault nor is it my assumption to believe I am fundamentally defective but experience difficulties. I just don't find myself very emotionally sensitive to words.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership I think that you need to be more sensitive to words, and be aware of all the possible meanings to words, because not everyone means the same thing. If you don't, it is very likely that you will meet people like me who are acutely sensitive to words, and who are less likely to be reasonable about discussing things. I would suggest that if nothing else, this conversation be a lesson in how words differ in the same community.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Also, I'm not going to wait around until someone tries to force me into taking a pill or undergo a surgery to "cure" me; I'm going to do what I'm doing right now, be outspoken about my opinions, wants and needs. I don't need anyone's permission or wait until I'm asked to let that be known.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I think your doing a good job at standing up for yourself. However those with autism that do want a cure which is a remedy for adverse symptoms have the human right as well. Your human right is intact for the objection to having a cure for yourself.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership You still need to answer my question: Adverse symptoms for the autistic person, or adverse symptoms for the caregiver that an autistic person is made to feel needs curing? Because there's a big difference. Again, I state that a lot of things about Autism that people think need curing don't actually need curing. The problem is that a lot of things in our society environment is set up for people with different needs and sensory input.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 That is not for me to decide and is a human rights issue. However individuals have the human right to cure. Evading cure simply because one feels judged by it does not supersede the right to cure advancements. That is to say the right to dignity of one does not supersede the right to absolute remedy for another. I think the law simply dictates should someone be in impending danger and not be treated the caregiver could get in trouble.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Your augments are circular; we're talking about Autism here and the concept of what a cure means to autistic individuals. And currently, cure means the elimination of Autism altogether, which scientifically as basic as possible, would mean killing the person. Arguments concerning law is irrelevant, since not all of us live in the same country. But currently, a "cure" would violate your human right to life.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 The topic is basic human rights potentials and the interpretation based on side issues such as abortion which has nothing to do with cure. When you speak of murder it is like a fundamentalist. When you imply all people or most people with autism feel a certain way about an issue it is also false. The autism label is about the negatives and nothing in the DSM shows the positives but focuses on the negatives. That is how a disorder book works. I simply don't invent into concepts.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership I have never stated that I speak for all Autistics; I've stated that I'm illustrating a view held by quite a lot of autistics. Honestly, I've found more people who share this view about an Autism cure than those who don't. As for the DSM, it's a man-made perception, subject to be changed, so I wouldn't use that for the basis of everything.
As for topic, no, that's what you're bringing up into this. This video is about Autistic perspectives of cure, please keep on topic.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Everything has been on topic. Also I'd say treating my autism is not murder of my personality, self or life as a whole. I am very much aware of the issues.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Really? because you've said that you were unaware of any plans to cure Autism in the terms of which I speak, or any of the concerns that quite a lot of Autistics have about it.
Of course, you aren't using the right definition of cure....
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 I think folks need to sit down and talk about the issues where real voices can be heard. Abortion is not a cure. The honest cure enables treatments that have the potential of absolute remedy. Sure organizations can use the cure concept to create means for abortions to take place. However cure obviously is not abortion. I am very much open to the idea that the concept of cure can be abused but at the same time the true meaning of cure is an individuals human right. Issues don't mix.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership Actually, if you have been following the science surrounding Autism, you know that the current causes for Autism is complex and multi-gene in nature, thus there is no way to make a person un-Autistic, and thus the only way to cure Autism is to eliminate the Autistic person via abortion or murder.
And issues mix all the time. Nothing is completely isolated or exists in a vacuum. Welcome to reality.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@zikasilver1 Yes part of the science of socializing is figuring out bias and conflict of interest. If others have misused the word cure thats there agenda. However a cure for adverse symptoms when one perceives a symptom to be adverse is a human right. Saying a cure for sensory overload is not possible is not scientific.
TheAutismLeadership 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership considering how you've stated that your "cure" is aid in accommodation and supports, I still find that you're using the word cure wrong.
As for sensory overload, please go look at scientific studies. I know people with Sensory Processing Disorder, and there's no cure for it. Only self-managing, accommodations and supports.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
@TheAutismLeadership (cont) If our environment is adjusted to be more accommodating to people with more sensitivities, then it becomes less of an issue. It's a matter of society and people becoming more empathetic to their fellow human beings
zikasilver1 9 months ago
Thank you for this video. It says it like it is. My parents are trying to force me to have this experimental procedure that might "help" my Autism. Pretty much what they want to do to all of us is erase what makes us different from them.
MsPhoenix42 1 year ago
@MsPhoenix42
Refuse that so-called "help".
gunmoon2 11 months ago
@gunmoon2 Oh I promise you I will not go down without a good fight! It will not be easy for them to try to bring me down!
Thank you:)
MsPhoenix42 9 months ago
Check it out. The NTs dehumanize us and push this cure shit every day, and we finally tell it like it is, and state in plain language what a cure would mean to us, suddenly we're being offensive. To..... ourselves?
CrawdaddyJoe 1 year ago
First of all, I am also someone who appreciates a good sense of dark humor, and don't find this sick at all. In fact, I find it to be a well needed dose of reality for parents who think that Chelating or whatever other quack cure they're trying on their Autistic child, can lead to death, and they should be regarded as murderers.
I also wanted to reference a Aqua Teen Hungerforce joke, don't be surprised if your kid after receiving their fake brain keeps saying, "I do what now?"
VioletYoshi 1 year ago
Amen to this video.
larsnienbergmusic 1 year ago
youstupid motherfuckermy brother has autism i hope u get fucken autism and your family then u will know what its fucken like
fabio1845 1 year ago
@fabio1845 If you had bothered to look up my profile, you would have realized that I am already autistic.
In any rate, you cannot catch autism, as it is not a disease. I have been autistic from birth, as is your brother.
Your comments and regard towards autism is disrespectful of all autistic people, including your brother. I hope that you love your brother better than that.
zikasilver1 1 year ago 4
@zikasilver1 Your right you tell him
DoctorWhoFan891 9 months ago
lol interesting but wouldn't that also kill the person? I mean once the brain is detached the person dies. that is the point though isn't it?
ASDogGeek 1 year ago
@ASDogGeek yeah, that's pretty much the point. Current science shows that Autism affects too much of a person to really have an area to "fix", therefore, the only way to cure Autism is to eliminate, well, everything.
zikasilver1 9 months ago
This video is fucking sick.
jess76310 1 year ago
@jess76310 which type of sick? awesome sick or sick sick?
zikasilver1 1 year ago
@zikasilver1 Sick Sick.
jess76310 1 year ago
@jess76310 care to explain a bit more? What do you find sick about it?
zikasilver1 1 year ago
Well, I just don't understand what is wrong with you.
haruga 1 year ago
Haha, I liked this one. The perfect blend of righteous anger and dark humour. Don't give up!
TwigDjango 1 year ago
Thank you for this, finally, all these videos I see about how autism is a monster stealing children; whatever!
Just because autistic people have difficulties with certain things doesn't mean they have a DISEASE that needs to be cured.
MrCurtis01 2 years ago
Great video !!!!!!!!!!
survivor8393 2 years ago
Throw brains away?!! No, dip in batter, deep fry, serve with baked beans, sweet sauteed carrots and Caesar salad.
defexorcist 2 years ago
Another pt on ADHD & Asperger's. With the exception of the one guy I mentioned having both it seems like ADHD ppl tend 2 be very unstructured and are thrill-seeking whereas people who have aspergers are usually very rule-oriented and prefer sameness. Also I know many ADHD ppl who r very social. If they miss a social cue its cause they werent paying attention but if they pay attention they get it.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
as a person with both Asperger's and ADHD, that is an interesting observation.
However, I will point out that ADHD is also a spectrum and each person is unique.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
1 thing I don't get is how not liking to be touched is related to hypersensitivity. Does that mean that all humans actually hate touch but most people can tolerate it because they aren't hypersensitive to it? It would seem like if a normal person enjoyed human touch then if you were hypersensitive to it then since the sensation would be amplified it would be that much better.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
lemme put it this way, imagine that being touched by a person was so intense that it becomes painful. Would you like to be touched often if that were the case?
I can't speak on behalf of all humanity. Please remember that hyper- and hypo- sensitivity is not a characteristic of ASDs, but is rather common with us. And each of us who is sensitive is unique with their problems. Some ways of getting around it will work with some people, when with others it wont.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
I find that if something is pleasureable and you amplify it it becomes more pleasureable. Amplify pain becomes more painful. I never heard of pleasure turning into pain if it becomes too much. If pain is not very intense it can be ignored but I doubt pain turns into pleasure if you deintensify it.
Another question, what if a person had autism but was masochistic would they enjoy touching a lot?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
you seem to not understand. we do not have the same senses. Not all touch is pleasurable, just as not all touch is painful. Touch that is pleasurable/comforting is often in stims. Touch that is uncomfortable tends to be overwhelming that it becomes painful. Think nails on a chalkboard. Does that bother everyone?
As autistic people are people too, they would also be included in sexual behaviour and such practices. So yes, it is reasonable that there are autistic masochists.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Yes I know not all touch is pleasureable and not all touch is painful. What I dont understand is why hypersensitivity would cause someone not to like any human touch. It's not like all human touch is painful. In fact just the opposite for much of it. Take hand-shaking. A relatively unstimulating activity compared 2 others but if I had 2 put it into a pleasure or pain category Id say "pleasure", so Id expect a hypersensitive person 2 experience strong pleasure at hand-shaking rather than hate it.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
As 4 masochism I was just wondering because of "touching" is ordinarily painful then wouldn't masochism make it pleasureable? So if a person was born autistic but also masochistic would it decrease the chance of the person being diagnosed as autistic(since they would not react negatively to being touched)?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
They don't have to cure my Autism, but I would LOVE if they had a cure to sensitive hearing, otherwise I'm fine with it.
keepout7 2 years ago
I can understand that.
I wouldn't mind if they would cure my Sleep Apnea, myself. And my asthma and allergies. Stuff that hurts.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Not saying u personally have all those symptoms but if u didnt then if u did would u get those cured & if u do still would you get those cured?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
I stim. I'm hypersensitive. When I go over my limits, I revert to a "low-functioning" autistic state. And I would not cure a part of it, not change a single thing about being autistic.
I hear things that no one else does, experience the world in a totally unique and wonderful way. There is nothing broken about autism that needs to be fixed.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
one side note I just wanted to point out. Autism is a developmental disorder, affecting development. Which means that we are not static; as we age, we learn more about what we can and can't do, our limits and how to accommodate the world in our lives. What helps the best is encouragement, acceptance and inclusion in the classroom, social sphere and workplace so that we can build on our strengths to overcome weaknesses. A lot of us can do it on our own, but support from others is appreciated.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
...then they might start learning the things they missed out on as a result of the social isolation they put themselves through due to their fear and low self-esteem.
NOTE: Not saying this is the case everytime but when diagnosing for ASDs I just think it would be useful to ask about certain things to rule out the possibility of social anxiety/APD or a history of that causing the poor social skills. Its important to get diagnosises correct.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
it's not just social isolation/anxiety that marks autism; it's qualitative difficulties in communication, behaviour and social skills.
They DO look at other things before jumping into an autism diagnosis. At least, any proper doctor does.
And personally, even I will tune out the world if it's uninteresting enough for me to deem worthy to interact with. So maybe instead of social anxiety, it's because we don't really care for what's going on.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Social anxiety or ADP where a person withdraws due 2 fears could also lead to difficulties in communication, behavior, & social skills because the person withdraws and doesnt experience as much as they would have. Thats why there can sometimes be misdiagnosis. A 10-year old who is intensely self-conscious and afraid of what others think to the point where there is little if any out-of-school interaction and is like that 4 years will probably have poor social skills even tho they arent autistic.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
you're forgetting, to diagnose autism, a psychiatrist will look at a patient's history in order to determine whether one's social anxiety is because of autism or completely independent.
Also, there are many autistic people who get misdiagnosed with conditions that are confused for autism, or is merely a part of autism, such as OCD.
Personally, I think the autism rates are a lie and that there is actually a huge amount of autistic people not being diagnosed.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
As for it being neurological and genetic. Maybe true for real autism. But I can see how a person could act in ways that seem mildly autistic as a result of a bad experience. Or social anxiety or AVPD which are both related to bad experiences causing social anxiety and fears about social relationships could be mistaken for it since if it happens in childhood the person at an older age might not have taken the time to develop their social skills. After the anxiety or avoidance issues are gone...
sicktoaster 2 years ago
there are conditions that do result in autistic-seeming traits, but fail to meet the criteria for ASD.
There's a difference. We do not outgrow autism. We learn to deal with the world.
Also, it's been noticed that the more intelligent one gets, the more higher IQ one has, the more autistic one appears.
However, ASD *IS* genetic. My entire family going back to my grandparents and all are on the autism spectrum. We're all functional, and I'm the only one with an official diagnosis.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Yes I know autistic ppl tend 2 b really smart abt some things but intelligent=/=autistic. I know a guy who's really socially intelligent but also intelligent in general. He guesses what people think & things about them by reading their faces & paying attention 2 the conversation around him & several times hes been right. U can not hide things from him. Also good at jokes & being funny in general. But he also knows a lot of interesting facts about a # of things. Compared 2 him Id b autistic.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
you're missing the point. My point is that yes, a lot of have autistic traits while not actually being autistic. However, doesn't this mean that autism is a more natural human condition rather than a disease to be cured?
Autism is genetic, and cannot be removed from who we are as people. It's a part of how we think, how we feel, how we act, and to take it away is, in our position, akin to killing a part of us just so that we don't freak NTs when in public.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
I can understand why u wouldnt want 2 b completely cured. I can c how some parts of autism would b valueable in giving u a unique perspective & intense interests can make some1 really smart at certain things but theres some parts I dont c as having a purpose.
What I mean is what if they could cure symptoms but not the whole thing? Would u cure "stimming", would u hypo/hypersensitivity or any other symptom? Some seem 2 lack benefits. If given the chance wouldnt u want the best of both worlds?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
everyone stims. pacing, knee bouncing, pen tapping, siting in rocking chairs; those are quiet stims. And everyone does it.
Stimming does have a purpose; it deals with excess energy and helps to release pent up emotions. It is a coping mechanism for stress and fear, a method of concentrating and a way to express and communicate feelings.
In a way, stimming is our natural language.
And you can't separate parts of autism like that. That is like cutting off a hand.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
OK maybe u have a point about stimming. Even I shake my legs if I have 2 stay still 4 2 long. Thought it was Restless Leg Syndrome but it never happens when Im trying 2 sleep. Still I c no benefit 2 not wanting 2 b touched. Wouldnt it b good 2 at least b neutral 2 touching even if u couldnt understand the social significance of it? Also dont c the pt in loud stims vs quiet ones. If u could change them from loud 2 quiet y not?
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sicktoaster 2 years ago
heh, I thought I had Restless Leg Syndrome too, because of twitching and pain in my legs. but the sleep study came back with Sleep Apnea and my family doc said I have weak knees, causing me to develop arthritis. Now, those, I'd gladly cure, as it causes me a lot of pain.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Strangely theres no pain. Maybe the leg shaking is a tic. I have Turets. It just feels different than tics usu do.
Hey I can sympathize with u. I mean we do tend 2b more intelligent & athletic(though I only got the intelligence down). I wouldnt want 2 lose that but if they could just stop the tics w/o changing anything else Id b happy. Its very mild esp w/ the help of somecontroversial medicine that is effective & has few side effects:) Noone notices long as I use my medication occassionally.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
I have anxiety issues and OCD tendencies, but I manage them with my medication too. I take a whole lot of painkillers cause I'm not old enough for surgery or something, and I sleep with a breathing assisting device called C-PAP. It kind of stinks.
Personally, I'd rather the research money goes to social assistance programs, curing cancer and end poverty, war and abuse rather than researching a cure to autism. Yeah, I have difficulties, but I won't die from them.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
spliting into two posts to address each properly:
Touching
it's not all touch. I like having my hair played with, my back rubbed. I'm not used to intimate touch, although it kind of depends on the person. Some people are too skinny to be comfortable hugging.
See, we can learn what things mean. We just have to learn consciously instead of unconsciously.
Although yes, we can have sensory issues; it does allow us to develop relations that aren't purely physical, have deeper relationships.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Breaking this into 3. Wait so u think NTs cant have deep relationships just because we dont have sensory issues? That doesnt make sense.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
I'm not commenting on NT relationships at all.
I'm just pointing out that just because we have sensory problems with touch doesn't mean we can't develop lasting and meaningful relationships. We just don't base it only on physical and part of the relationship is understanding that physical contact isn't necessary to show affection, even compromising with affectionate gestures.
We tend to look for lifetime relationships so we want friends that will accept us as we are & support us as we to them
zikasilver1 2 years ago
As 4 learning consciously how far can that go? If an autistic made ppl their special interest & obsessively learned what different facial expressions, voice tones, etc. meant could they learn them? Would u even b able 2 tell? Could they actually become better at NTs at social skills if they focused on social skills obsessively? But then would it even b diagnoseable as autistic(thinking it wouldnt since the core symptom would b missing) even if the brain is wired the same?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
Considering myself and the many many many adult autistics who regularly interact with NTs, I'd say so. And the fact that no one realizes I'm autistic probably says that I'm good at socializing, or at least mimicking. I've even counseled friends about social and relationship problems. And I know there's a few Hollywood actors that are autistic.
We are still autistic because we have trouble learning theses social skills.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
(cont.) It has been noted that an autistic brain is physically different that an NT brain. Learning social skills or communication skills doesn't change the way that the brain works; it means that we've learned those skills.
for example
It's been discovered that in autistic brains, the areas governing social and communication skills isn't as active as an NT brain, but the area for conscious learning is greatly more active than an NT brain. Areas of an autistic brain are different sizes too.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Areas, plural? So what does happen if one area is like an autistic brain and another like an NT brain, or even abnormal but in the opposite direction of what would be autistic?
Could you for example have someone who has trouble with social skills, doesnt make eye contact, stims, but instead of liking routine has an abnormally strong craving for novelty and gets bored easily when things stay too much the same?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
i say areas because I honestly can't remember which one(s). I'm not a scientist. I'm sure if you poke around the scientific studies done on autism, you'll be able to find it.
That's a good question to ask a neurologist. Maybe an entirely different wiring of the brain. Or a different variation of autism, possibly PDD:NOS.
What you need to remember is that autism is a spectrum. so like all of humanity, none of us are exactly the same. So some of us ARE better at being more flexible.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Also note, amongst us neurodiversity crowd, we consider A.D.H.D. a cousin to autism.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Splitting this one up.
I have a theory about ADHD. Everyone reaches a point where something is too boring to pay attention. Ppl w/ ADHD just have a lower tolerance 4 boredom b4 they cant keep attention.
Society tends 2 diagnose it if it causes problems paying attention in school so say someone could have just as low a boredom tolerance as >ADHD ppl but finds academic subjects stimulating.
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sicktoaster 2 years ago
That's more of an opinion than a theory. A theory is based on the laws of science, after all...
It's close though; the reason why there are so many undiagnosed autistics is because if we don't cause a huge behavioural problem, it's assumed that we're "normal" and don't need help.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
...They probly wont b diagnosed bcause society cares> about kids passing tests in school. any difficulty paying attention 2 other things will b ignored if school is fine. In fact from my experience that is me. Things always slip my mind, I miss so many things, i cant multitask, im disorganized, but ive always been a good student. caffeine seems 2 help.
I also think as classes become more test-oriented, dry, & uninteresting ADHD will b > diagnosed.
As 4 it b-ing a cousin 2 autism i dont c..
sicktoaster 2 years ago
...I dont c the similarities. Autism is an impairment of learning social skills. ADHD means you require more stimulation than most ppl 2 pay attention. 2 separate disorders tho I do know a guy who is both ADHD & aspy.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
But would it even be noticed if "people" was the obsessive interest from the very beginning?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
it depends. we're a spectrum and we're often very good mimics.
So if one were to obsessively observe and mimic people, it would probably be very hard to tell whether one is autistic, possibly get misdiagnosed if some other autistic traits becomes noticeable and a disabling factor.
How otherwise do you suppose autistic adults get to mid-life and beyond without being identified or diagnosed as autistic?
zikasilver1 2 years ago
I wonder if our society made learning how to read people a high priority and we even had classes on social skills & empathy from Kindergarten for all students would autistics get it because they are learning it consciously instead of unconsciously. So we could take care of autisms problems without having 2 cure it & as an added bonus have a society of social savants who always know what each other are thinking because they can read each other that well.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
We would probably learn it better, actually, since the standards would all be set. It would be good for society in general, because I think it would lessen the miscommunication caused by misinterpretation.
Etiquette classes would be nice too; I've snapped at many rude people over the years. Of course, in both of these kinds of classes, we'd have to take multiculturalism into account. Different cultures have different gestures and whatnot.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
stims: it's a matter of learning which stims are appropriate. I grew up suppressing my stims, which caused great meltdowns and emotional pain. But I've learned how to incorporate my stims into gestures and more socially acceptable forms, from my experiences as a child and smarts as an adult.
Childhood was a tough classroom, but I've learned valuable lessons.
Loud, destructive stims are pretty much a last resort, when other means of communicating frustration, anger and stress isn't enough.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
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It just seems odd 2 me that many ppl like autism & dont want 2 b cured. Doesnt seem 2 happen with any other disorder. Schizophrenia seems 2 b linked 2 more creativity but Ive never known one that didnt want 2 b cured if there was 1. Most ppl separate problems and gifts. They r 2 different things just because the gifts r found more often in ppl with certain problems doesnt mean we'll never find how 2 cure the problems but keep the gifts.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
I can't speak for Schizophrenics; it's a different matter of the brain.
With us, we see our problems as being character building, providing us with alternative viewpoints, and only as a disability when they have a negative impact on our lives.
We see ourselves as a part of the human neurodiversity, seeing that many of us contribute to technology and culture. So we don't see ourselves as sick or in need of being cured.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
"Schizophrenia seems 2 b linked 2 more creativity but Ive never known one that didnt want 2 b cured if there was 1."
Autism is different from other conditions in that it often entails advantages as well as disadvantages. Schizophrenia may enhance or modify creativity but that's all. Autism can have all sorts of influences, positive or negative.
capnmort 2 years ago
Autism is a part of one's personality, development and adaptive patterns. It's complex and a lot of its problems have to do with societal attitudes rather than inherent deficiencies. Pro-cure groups ignore this and often portray autistics as soulless husks. So the notion of a cure is kind of offensive on that level. But also it's completely unrealistic given that it requires extensive brain alteration. It's a waste of resources, really, that could be better spent on services and education.
capnmort 2 years ago
& then what about Aspergers/HFA ppl who do want to change? What about self-determination and autonomy? If there was a way to change it some people might want to doesn't mean everyone will have to. As a neurotypical Id actually like to try Aspergers for a day if it was possible. It would be a new life experience and I love new life experiences. I think temporarily (or permanently) changing how your brain should be allowed when the technology comes just like changing your hair color is now.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
this isn't to say there isn't those people who want to change. But I believe this is from feelings of low self-esteem coming from being MADE to feel like they need to be cured or healed to be worth anything.
temporarily, I'd love to experience being NT for a day. It would improve my understanding of other people. But I don't want to *BE* NT, because I value my unique perspectives, feelings and thoughts.
There are autism simulations for sensory. socially, think of living in culture shock.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
As for the idea that it shouldnt be cured maybe theres a point in not curing aspergers syndrome or high-functioning autism but what about low-functioning autistic people who dont communicate at all or at least not enough to be taught anything and as a result become mentally retarded? Shouldnt they at least be changed from low-functioning to high-functioning/Aspergers if it was possible?
sicktoaster 2 years ago
low-functioning autism is an outside label. I honestly do not believe that it is right to label autistics in this manner and to make some of us feel more impaired or disabled. Yes, they have more obvious troubles communicating, but that's basically the difference between so-called high functioning and low functioning. The same difficulties and strengths remain. So you can't say only "cure" a group of us. It's all or nothing. We stick together. No exclusion.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
autism is not beautiful, autism didn't exist until they started putting mercury in vaccines. That's why ppl have autism the CDC is poisoning us.
05311990frog 2 years ago
Autism has existed before mercury in vaccines. The idea that the CDC is poisoning us is a conspiracy theory. Here in Canada, we've completely removed mercury from our vaccines since 2001, and yet autism diagnostic rates still remain high (1 in 165).
The real reason: better and wider diagnostic criteria.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
They can look back before autism was even diagnosed at all look at cases and tell if patients wouldve been diagnosed as autistic today but even taking these statistics into account there is an increase. I think it is related to mercury. Substances can cause changes to the brain and mercury is a potent neurotoxin. I dont think its just vaccines, mercury is also released into the atmosphere from coal plants and other polluting places.
I dont think that explains all autism but it raises the risk
sicktoaster 2 years ago
Alas, I know scientists that work with mercury, and mercury poisoning doesn't result in autism traits; it leads to death.
Also, there have been many studies showing no connection between autism and mercury. If so little mercury found in our environment causes it, then NT adults can suddenly develop autism, which doesn't happen, and autism rates would be much much MUCH higher and not just now, as there's more naturally occurring mercury than what we've made.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
Mercury can cause death but usually things that can cause death at certain amounts can cause problems but not death at lower amounts. Put this way if a drop of a substance on a persons skin causes death chances are a small fraction of that amount inhaled would still cause problems even if not death esp if exposed 2 small amounts over time.
Childhood is a critical stage of development. There r pathways forming in ways that dont in adulthood. Adult brains might be effected in other ways tho.
sicktoaster 2 years ago
"but even taking these statistics into account there is an increase"
Those statistics don't exist, and the newness of autism criteria and advances in the field do a pretty good job of accounting for increasing rates of diagnosis. Vaccines contain much less mercury than is toxic to a human being, and it does not accumulate. And there are very few if any links between autism and mercury not drawn by quacks or scam artists.
capnmort 2 years ago
Autism has most likely existed for thousands of years, as well as other issues people have that noware more recognized as medical knowledge has advanced over the years. I have a skin disease called psoriasis, but you don't hear about it until 1841 because no one differentiated it from leprosy before then. Does this mean it didn't exist before then? No just that we didn't recognize it before that time. Autism has most likely existed for a long time and simply not been recognized for what it was.
darthmoyle 2 years ago 6
That was funny.
likedcalico 2 years ago
we should do that it makes sense with all the autistic speds and weirdos like this guy
Thanos700 2 years ago
why are chicken shit vids like this in my recommend folder? If you watch this rate it and flag it!
keys4ever2 2 years ago
you calling my vid chicken shit?
I'm sorry, I have no control over what gets into your recommended folder. If you want to pay attention to the folder, it's your choice
zikasilver1 2 years ago
I know several people with this autism and its nothing to joke about. I have friends who have spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatment. I know you have no control over my folder but you do have control over what vids you post. I just hope you don't offend too many people here. It's not a great way to get subscribers! I still say get rid of it or do something positive for the cause. Make vids that will help, not distract!
keys4ever2 2 years ago
It's not about subscribers. This is about expressing my opinion about the pro-cure movement. My opinion in this is valid as I am an autistic individual. I have received much encouragement, agreement and approval from many like-minded autistic people. So no, I will not remove this video.
zikasilver1 2 years ago
I do honestly feel sorry for your pain but again, creating a vid like this only hinders the cause. Do what you want, leave it up, I couldn't care less. I still believe your wasting your time (and mine) by complaining and not doing something positive! You could post a vid about websites that collect money, or show the progress with research. Vids like this will only alienate the people that you need the most. Good luck. I only hope that this vid will do some good for you rather than harm!
keys4ever2 2 years ago
It is not pain that made this video; it is anger that people think that I need to be cured of who I am.
Hinders the cause? Which cause do you think I'm on that I'm hindering? Have you even watched the rest of my vids, or are you assuming that all my vids are complaints?
zikasilver1 2 years ago
As an autistic, I think zikasilver1's video does a great deal to help the cause, since so many people have a totally skewed and sometimes dehumanizing view of autistics and what we really need is social support and understanding--that's how many of us feel, anyway. Like lots of autistics, I find the notion of a cure particularly offensive and dehumanizing, and either way it's a pretty remote possibility in comparison to the immediate good that would come of increased education and support.
capnmort 2 years ago 5
"not doing something positive! You could post a vid about websites that collect money, or show the progress with research."
So, to justify the idea that we should not complain (which is just a synonym you chose for "protest" or, say, "advocate a positive change in perception") about the idea of a cure, you say we should spend our time instead supporting the idea of a cure?
capnmort 2 years ago
Well I'm glad we seem to have driven nutsndoltz away from here. But he has recently taken up residence on another anti-cure video, and he's spouting the same garbage all over again. If anyone wants to help deal with this, either look in my favourites for the video entitled "No cure for autism" (or something like that) or find nutsndoltz's most recent comments.
capnmort 2 years ago
wow ill get my mate sylar round to do this right away!
dalektaliban 2 years ago
"I haven't known any autistics, to my knowledge."
...so the first thing you do when you meet some online is to disregard their expirences, research, and feelings, then call them liars in almost every post?
the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
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the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
I am stunned. Simply stunned.
the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
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the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
"It isn't known what percentages of those involved in the autism issue are on either side the divide on the autistic "pride" movement. I doubt there are as many on your side as it would appear from your side's presence and contacts. What conception of autism is correct?"
You state it isn't know, and by your own wording state that you "doubt." A doubt is not the same as knowing something. And you can hardly claim to know any information by your very point of not having a hard statistic.
the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
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the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
Congrats ND, you just killed your own argument!
the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
Dear ND, if "Not all opinions matter", could you kindly tell me who gets to decide who's opinions do? Is it you? If so, kindly tell me who gave you that right? They didn't advertise the position properly so I didn't get to apply
the5thghostbuster2 2 years ago
Whoever doesn't promote insanity should get to decide.
nutsndoltz 2 years ago