how about you make one with jewish / christian / muslim etc and send it to the your people overseas? They say Jews are born of pigs and rats and other propaganda similar to the nazi's and blatantly state their hatred for christians and the USA. spread love and peace not bullshit
nice dance & pictures too, nice to see it is back on your channel, although I am a Christian who completely disagrees with Islam and what it stands for, nonetheless I like the video & the intention behind it; that it the end it is not so much about Islam but Muslims (human beings) who practice & embrace Islam significantly different from radical Muslims & terrorists... Favorite !
that was really good!! Didn't know u danced lol. And congrats on going to Malaysia. Its cool to see you traveling to a Muslim country and learning things. I'm inspired... ( lol kinda corny but o well)
Great video, thank you for the voice of reason in a world dominated by ignorance and superstition. You strike me as a well educated, passionate and kind person. I would stand up for you. I can only imagine the conflict you must have defending and justifying such barbaric ideas that are within Islamic faith no different from any faith. I hope that one day you are no longer able rationalise them and free your self from the shackles of religion. Freedom of the mind is a wonderful thing!
@AnimePhreak786 I'm sorry for my undereducation, but what did the "famous" Avicenna and Averros do?
About the achievments of christian and muslim scientists, I think, it's apropriate to quite Aristotel - "Don't compare penis sizes if your can't be found with a microscope".
What are the main differences that make christianity "illogical" superstition and islam "a way of life that makes sense"? The only slight difference IMO is that the latter is more hate driven and segregational...
Only someone as insecure as you would come on here and leave such a stupid comment. Rather revealing. I made this video for the purpose of spreading a message, you left your comment as an obvious act of spite. Very simple.
There's a reason TF and others did vids about you, not because you are a muslim but the fact that you said that you're willing to kill in the name of your religion. Dancing won't change that.
@DawahFilms Actually, I don't like TF, I used to but then he completely destroyed himself and all his credability over a period of 6 months. And didn't you say that you where going to "send him to the God he wish he knew"?
I don't think that the issue of 'you' being humans or not has ever been raised. Fact is, I think that most people assume that 'you' are humans...right?
There is no better rebuttal to the idea that Muslims cannot get down with modernity than Ali from Dawah films getting down modern Breakdance style! Ali you got some good moves dude.
Good Video actually nice to see Muslims do *normal* things too and it doesnt always have to be about religion.
I Dont like some of the things youve said and done ex the deaththreat to Tfoot and Dixiecomic wanting him dead but i like the final warning vids and this one.
'look at me I am so bad ass I can dance an shit' lol, Oh and George galloway that famous lycra clad cat impersonator, is the personification of fail along with the crazies he associates with.
@freethinker3161 Yeah, saying "I'm a human being", that's so self aggrandizing, good thing you called him out on that. And of course it's not self aggrandizing to be prejudiced or to spew hate.
@n8glenn i don't hate Dawahfilms at all . i just kinda thought this vid was a bit to much. i don't care about there feud. the is no hate here other than i didn't like this vid. nothing more. was i spewing hate?
@freethinker3161 What's not to like? He's a pretty awesome dancer, seriousy I was enjoying it a great deal and I had no idea it was him, but realizing it was him, this guy I thought of as some cerebral, studious type with his nose in a book, well that was actually a twist. I thought it was awesome and a great way of showing that people aren't always what you expect them to be, and that's not self aggrandizement, that's a life lesson thunderf00t and many of his followers badly need.
@n8glenn yeah I like breakdancing, and it shows that some muslims appreciate music, dance, art, etc etc. Not all muslims are wahabi puritans, as a matter of fact they are a tiny minority.
@n8glenn i get what your saying. all good, just so you know i am no thunderfoot fan boy, just in case you thought that. i usually find him boring and kind of a jerk, especially lately. much love and respect.
Nice to see that you "danced" around the issue at hand. And funny... last time I checked, thunderf00t never claimed that Muslims weren't humans.
DixieComic is a human being too. Did you ever apologize to him for that digusting comment you made, saying that he'd be worth more to his wife and family if he were shot?
@uriache If anybody else on the internet was to make the exact same statement, nobody would give a damn and it'd be forgotten in less than a week. You're on the internet; you should be used to this sort of abrasive language already. It's not a big deal.
@n8glenn Why should I have to have made better Hip Hop than Eminem to say that he sucks?
By your logic you cannot criticize ANYTHING that you can't do better than already.
That's completely illogical. I know I can't produce good Hip Hop and I'm not saying that I can.
What I am saying, is that Eminem is a shitty example of Hip Hop. Some of the worst I've heard. Listen to KRS-One, Nas, Gang Starr, Mobb Deep even some early Snoop Dogg is better than Eminem and his whiny little shit munching.
Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Eminem, but I liked this track. I'm a bigger fan of The Roots, OneBeLo, Gza, KRS-One, Masta Ace, Lupe Fiasco, etc.
@Gosu117 Those guys are legends, that's true, there are also many, many others who are probably better rappers than eminem, but personally I think eminem has some funny lyrics, maybe not everything he does is great, but music isn't a competitive sport. The fact that he's not the best in the world doesn't mean he's worthless, and actually this track is a decent track and ok, maybe not the best lyrics, but so what, it fits and is appropriate.
@n8glenn Fair enough, it just pisses me off how all the Hip Hop I hear in media and on the radio sucks. And now when I come on YT as well. Mainstream Hip Hop just gives the rest of it a bad name imo.
@Gosu117 There's never good music on the radio, it has to fit a formula to sell, and the way they sell it is pretty dishonest, the top 40, those are just the songs that they paid the radio station to play, the ones they're trying to push, they're not necessarily even popular. The only time I remember seeing good hip hop on tv was the dave chappelle show.
if you want to break bigotry get rid of that disgusting old man you have in that picture. associating yourself with him is associating yourself with the worst of islam and i don't think you need that when your trying to make a valid point..watch?v=foqBUBUrr7M
Damn man I think somebody just got a thunderous foot to the behind! I love it, and what makes it even better is all the thunder nerd flock trying to dis it! RINGS A BIT HOLLOW NERDS... They just tried to do those moves and dropped their slide rules and pocket calculators all over the place.
Muslims are not a monolithic group. Remember Cat Stevens? When he converted he stopped playing guitar. Some Muslims are critical of music with stringed instruments for religious reasons but other Muslims are not. I assume Ali is a Muslim who doesn’t object to music with stringed instruments but I maybe wrong.
@JimmieHiggins Islam is not based on Muslims but on the qur'an and sunnah. There are also muslims who drink alcohol and are kind to ppl but that does not change the fact that alcohol is forbidden. The same goes for any other point.
Remember people: Dawah films will "send people like you to the God you wish you knew" - be afraid infidels be very afraid..!!! lol. This poor "non-terrorist" muslim has divine right to kill you for disagreeing with him
if you imagine the world without religion, go live in North Korea, they have no right to practice a religion because of a stupid ideology like yours: enjoy yourself with atheists like you there, until death comes. And you with your meaningless life will understand the importance of religion in human life.
atheists are the real threat to the world, communism is the proof.
@gsamahh Ask yourself this: Which is worse? "filthy language" or making a sweeping generalization of a large group saying they are anti-freedom totalitarians?
It'd be the same as if I called you a terrorist based on the fact that you're a Muslim, and I knew enough not to make such a ridiculous statement.
@mythinktube Don't even try it, everyone knows what that actual quote was by now, you're just showing yourself to be dishonest when you take it out of context.
@mythinktube I think the worse dawahfilms can do when someone is disagreeing with him is to be extremely disingenuos, block you on site and coming up with topics he can't be arsed researching on.......
Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for the opposite claim. I'm just challenging your universal statement because it is too general. I work alongside muslim people every day, but their religious views are irrelevant to me insofar as my respect for them as teachers, teaching assistants, or classmates. My respect for their state of mind regarding religion is low, but that's no different than my perspective of any religious person, including my parents or even some of my friends.
I don't think he ever said that muslims weren't human beings or that they didn't deserve respect.
The whole thing he's doing isn't about ridiculing you, anyone, Islam or any other religion - it's about what is true/ reasonable/ adquate and what isn't.
He (actually mildly) ridicules people like you, because simple facts and classic logic don't seem to get to the religious, after all - you can't reason a person out of a mind-state if he didn't use reason to get in it.
@domaataajs who are you to determine what is true, reasonable or adequate and what isn't?!you try to impose your view on others:it will never work because you are a simple human being.
Muslims take their moral rules from ALLAH, you take yours from human minds: who should we follow? ALLAH The Creator of all things Who knows what is best for us, or arrogant people like you claiming they can make their own way to success even if they can't and will never be able to do so.
@gsamahh It's not a "view" - it's logic and basic truths, like the one that earth goes around the sun. Ummm.. I don't want to break it to you, but your friend "ALLAH" was made by humans, dipshit. Just like any other deity.
And YOU'RE the arrogant ones - you claim to know everything - how the universe began, how we got here, why we are the way we are and what happens after we die, based on a storybook from the 4th century. Yeah, that makes f-ing sense!
@domaataajs don't be silly! Muslims don't deny logic nor basic truths! what's wrong with you? are you stupid enough to believe that religious people deny that earth goes around the sun? LOL don't believe all religions are the same!
Islam has nothing to do with human religions.
Islam is a deen = way of life. ALLAH means THE GOD, the Creator of all things.
HE created the human beings, not the other way around.
It is Allah that gives Life and Death, and Allah sees well all that ye do. (3:156)
@gsamahh I never said that muslims don't believe that the earth goes around the sun.. learn to read.
" Muslims don't deny logic nor basic truths"
Is evolution a lie? To believe in "paradise" makes sense? There's so much fukken evidence for the existence of it, that you can base your life on this assumption, right?
"Islam has nothing to do with human religions"
What makes you think that? Do you understand that every religious human believes that his religion isn't man-made?
Quran 3:83. Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will [Accepted Islam], and to Him shall they all be brought back.
2. Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
3.It is He Who sent down to thee [step by step], in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law [of Moses] and the Gospel [of Jesus] before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion [of judgment between right and wrong].
4.Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
3:7 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic; they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Licoricelain@ OH dear oh dear lord not the intolerance nonsense, why do people even bother listening to thunderfoot half of his vids are on his nonsense about how much islam annoys him and how muslims piss him off aswell, singing and dancing is a stupid tool, im off thanks for you response
I can tell you that you aren't likely to change my perception easily. Let me explain. Suppose there is a person who is like you in virtually every way, but happens to belong to a different religion. He/she is equivalently devout in this religion as you are in yours. He/she believes that the rest of the world is mistaken about their beliefs and that his/her religion is the correct one, adamantly so.
The question is, what is the significant difference between this person and you?
You might as well say that you're a human being, and because you believe that those things are wrong, all human beings love peace. Try this instead. Say that YOU like peace and abhor these actions instead of trying to speak for millions of people who happen to just happen to share the same ambiguous label as you.
Unless you talk to every single muslim and verify that they believe the exact same things as you, the only person you speak for is you and (maybe) the few people you know
I was hoping you would address Thunderf00t's claims. Are you going to? If you were trying to hunt his DOCS down, that's pretty creepy stuff. If not, then tell your side of the story.
@willpoire No way he is going to do that. He is no good at it. That is not his strong point. He will dodge it and find some other way to ruffle TF's feathers. One that does not require too much thinking.
Haha. You're funny. Fornication is what you call it when you want it to be coupled with inherent immorality (you know, like when you force your moral perspective onto someone else's actions). Tell me, exactly what is the moral distinction between married and unmarried people who have sex? And while you're at it, why do you think that morality exists and is worth conforming to? That may seem to be an unrelated question, but it will be important to consider when you answer the first one
@supermagicmilk It was a response to ridicule by an atheist fellow. So if he is such a smart ass at attacking Islamic morals, ethics, way of life, etc... lets take a wonderful look at the beauty of western society and it's fruits. Btw, I'm a westerner and a convert to Islam and as a kid I clearly remember from grade 6 kids already fornicating (that's 12ish). That's all. The difference between values and standards. There is nothing wrong with sex as long as it is channeled morally not savagely.
I just think it's pretty hypocritical to use the word "fornication" in the same paragraph that you tell someone they are just forcing their version of ethics on others. Here's a reality check for you. At around age 13, people develop a sex drive. What's the consequences of this? They tend to have sex. 13 is probably too young to deal with the responsibility that a sexual relationship entails, but I don't see how natural biological processes are inherently savage outside of marriage.
@supermagicmilk Point was that Islam was being attacked on it's ethical premises of marriage from a young age vs fornication. The fact that westerners are immature to have responsibility from a young age now does not change the facts. That's right. Most westerners get married in their 30s. I was 21 when I got married by my choice in fact I wanted to get married earlier. How are they savage? F'n around everybootay u can get at every club and bar? I think I will promote Islam not western ethics
Sex outside of marriage != frequent sex with multiple partners. I had a sociology professor who lived together with a woman for over 20 years (also a professor), who he never married simply because he was not religious. He is one of the most intelligent and nicest people I know, and very insightful about human nature.
Sex outside of marriage is not inherently immoral, but your vocabulary can't even make the distinction and carries a high bias regardless of the context it is used in.
It's not like the concept of marriage even existed in every culture anyway. Was it savage for your distant ancestors to have sex before the concept of marriage was conceived? Is it savage for me to eat food without some culturally defined ritual preceding the meal? Because as far as I'm concerned, it's just as much human nature to become hungry as it is to desire and have sex, and I don't need some nonsense religion telling me I'm not savage only if I conform to its arbitrary rules.
@supermagicmilk Right,insome cultures people used to just hump whatever they wanted too. What's your point? Yes it was savage and uneducated. Hey it's human nature let me hump whatever I want! Great thinking! Islamically we have a choice, to act intellectually or to act merely like animals with instincts and desires. If you're a man, you would think differently about your daughter 'fulfilling her desires' from 12 years of age. Westerners culture is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the planet
An entire culture cannot be a hypocrite. It's not a person.
And you're right. You have to marry it before you hump it right? That makes it much, MUCH different. Married people magically become educated and never give into their desire for sex because sex becomes the logical outcome of a social union, and it no longer has anything to do with feeling good or any "savage" desires.
This whole thing between you and T-Foot is sad. You guys both used to make cool videos about interesting topics, and this is all such a waste for everyone. Hopefully for both of your sakes this ends soon. Best wishes.
Secondly, I detest the actions you've taken, and I detest the religion you represent (not exclusively; all religions are equally harmful). Notice that I didn't say anything negative about you. Because the one thing you're right about is that we are all human beings. Perhaps this should be remembered before we act. It's a lesson we all (myself included) could stand to reflect on before we make rash, rushed decisions based on anger and vengeance.
Sometimes its just better if certain users stay in their own corners of Youtube. Most TF fans that dislike Islam have the ability to seperate the people from faith just like they do with Christians. The bigger problem is the example Islamic theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran set for the world. My hope is that political Islam suffers the same slow death that political Christianity is.
@KingSerok Proving a negative without an established positive is the most overused ass backwards logical process that plagues humanity. Now beyond that, your right to ridicule islam. Dawah is wrong to state that he has a right to defend his religion from an "awakening sleeping giant" when his religion is and has been a threat against western culture and individual freedom. Dawah wishes to censor people for saying "hurtful" things about him and that makes him an enemy to free speech.
@KingSerok I'm also an ex-muslim. But not all muslims follow sharia. Many Sulfi Muslims dance all the time publicly. Just because something is against sharia doesn't mean it's "against Islam"
@KingSerok I've seen it. ANND? In fact, I know more than that video. It's untrue that the Quran is written during Mohammed's lifetime. I understand the Quran was written down after Mohammed's death, by his followers or Sahabah during the reign of the Kalifah Abu Bakr who ordered it to be collected and written down. You should know the same as an ex-muslim. Now what the video should have said is that the Quran was DICTATED by Mohammed during his lifetime, not WRITTEN.
@KingSerok "However a true Muslim MUST follow sharia law."
And why is that? What I believe makes you a muslim at the bare minimum, is believing in one god and there is other and mohammed is his messenger. That alone will get you into heaven, eventually. You may have to spend some time in hell to deal with your sins.
This makes your statement "a true muslim" completely false.
Ur Statement is just accurate as if it is that easy to be a gay in an Islamic country that practices Sharia Law.
I know many so called muslim that Drink, gamble or even commit fornication, with a condom in their pocket all the time. I don't even bother if they dance, however since our topic refers to Mr. Dawah, and he is someone that advertises for Islam, it is a must to follow each and everything according Islam.
Think of Osama Bin laden with Snoop dogg and pussycat dolls. LMAO
@KingSerok You don't understand the difference between a sinning muslims and a nonmuslim. I've tried to explain it multiple times. One last time: a muslims is someone who says and believes in the Shahadah. A sinning muslims is a muslim who does anything haram, except giving partners to Allah or denouncing the Shahadah. See the difference? For all I know Snoop Dogg could be a muslim, if he has said and believes in the Shahadah.
@KingSerok A muslim can still do Haram things, they'll just pay for it with Hell Fire time. Or they have to repent or something along those lines. It's like saying if you miss one day of Ramadan then you're instantly a non-muslim. And that is clearly not the case. If you miss a day, you have to pay a fee (feed so many people) and repent. You're still a muslim, even though you sinned. And you could replace missing a day of Ramadan with drinking or fornicating whatever except Shirkh,partnering god
@KingSerok Also I'm not sure which islamic school you went to when you were muslim, but I went to one in Ohio. And we were never taught strict Sharia like what is practiced in Saudi Arabia. We were taught the good parts of the Quran. And to fear hell. And so on.
But as I got older, and read more I found out that as Hawking and Mlodinow put it, "God is unnecessary"
@KingSerok For someone who claims to be an ex-muslim you sure are ignorant of the facts. If your response to my claim that sufi muslims do allow dancing is to link me to that video... then I would have to believe that you got all your information about Islam from that video. And you are just claiming to be an exmuslim as if that grants you some status or credibility.
I'm going to pick apart every bit of that video that I find wrong, and ask for a response.
@KingSerok "The quran was meant to be taken literally and is not full of symbolism or vague analogies" Well in Islamic school I was taught nothing but vague analogies and when I confronted my father with the fact that everything I was learning seemed like an analogy or allegorical. He admitted that he too considered a lot of what he was taught to be allegorical, take for instance the story of Noah and the Ark or Yunus and the Whale. Even my father wasn't stupid enough to take these literally!
And since when YOU and YOUR school is considered to be the right way of teaching and learning Islam?
Punishments, value of women, way of beating wife (along with its reasons), killing infidels, beheading non-believers, allowing to have sex with nonbeliever's wives after war (when captured as slave), Qesas and so and so are DIRECT COMMANDS.
@KingSerok Like I just stated, your claim that there is a "right way of teaching and learning Islam?" is a false claim. Because the ONLY thing one needs to do to be considered a Muslim in the eye's of Allah is to say the shahadah. If you believe in one god, there is no other, and Mohammed is his messenger. Then you are a REAL Muslim. Just because you didn't follow a different command doesn't make you a non-muslim, it makes you a sinning muslim! You need to get your facts right! Mr "exmuslim"
Actually it was YOU who mentioned "Me" and "My School".
As a matter of fact I don't even consider ways of teaching as a standard. I prefer reading Qur'an and Islamic books for that matter, not the way people do and show.
@KingSerok The video eludes that because the "peaceful tolerant passages were written early" that Muslims are then commanded to disregard them because the passages that came later "supersede the earlier ones"
This is blatantly untrue. The video itself contradicts this statement. By claiming that only contradictory statements are to be superseded. But it makes no claim that the "violent" passages are then contradicted later. Because doing so would make it obvious. It's lying by omission here!
Actually, those passages that are called makki (written early) are indeed more peaceful and tolerant than passages that were written later which are called Madani passages.
Killing infidels, beheading them and etc. are all in "madani" part of qur'an. If you need examples of such verses, PLEASE FEEL FREE for the sources ;)
Tafsir is the most disgusting part of Islam. Whenever there is a ridiculous verse or claim in Qur'an, Scholars twist and bend it so much just to cover the heavy ugly truth.
You do NOT need Tafsir for a CLEAR command or verse. Yes you do need for some parts of Qur'an to get the context but for many parts, its just covering up.
@KingSerok So you're saying you don't need Muslims to agree that previous good passages are nullified by later more vitriolic passages? You just say it and thus it's true? Do you really believe that?
@KingSerok I agree the Quran certainly does contradict itself and science. But what I don't agree with is the illusion made by that video where directly after saying the Quran allows later passages to supersede earlier contradictions, the video goes on to claim that because later passages are more violent thus they supersede the earlier nicer passages. Watch the video again, you'll see it. And you can't logically agree with that claim. And from your Huh? I would say you don't.
@KingSerok Look I still have a Quran on my bookshelf. It was given to me when I graduated high school, too bad that was also almost exactly when I became an Athiest. I know Sharia states Apostates should be executed, and I'm thankful my parents don't believe that hah.
This was a good discussion, and off to sleep I go.
I agree Muslims are human beings just like anyone. We [human beings] are the problem not religion, communism, atheism etc
AHopeforPeace 3 days ago
@DawahFilms
Good job, sorry I don't think I saw this video until a few moments ago.
GargamelGold 3 days ago
Sir. I think your god beliefs are silly, irrational, and unwarranted...but god damn if you can't break down like a gangsta.
BigLundi 2 months ago
how about you make one with jewish / christian / muslim etc and send it to the your people overseas? They say Jews are born of pigs and rats and other propaganda similar to the nazi's and blatantly state their hatred for christians and the USA. spread love and peace not bullshit
bassisgood6969 1 year ago
the fuck are you doing? trying to prove religion is cool and not a threat to the earth?
i know your harmless im talking about your fucked up inbred buddies on the other side of the earth
teedonster 1 year ago
nice dance & pictures too, nice to see it is back on your channel, although I am a Christian who completely disagrees with Islam and what it stands for, nonetheless I like the video & the intention behind it; that it the end it is not so much about Islam but Muslims (human beings) who practice & embrace Islam significantly different from radical Muslims & terrorists... Favorite !
JCYTT1I3777 1 year ago
that was really good!! Didn't know u danced lol. And congrats on going to Malaysia. Its cool to see you traveling to a Muslim country and learning things. I'm inspired... ( lol kinda corny but o well)
learninghalal 1 year ago
dance more dancing
TheTruth8018 1 year ago
too bad you can't just dance away bigotry.
einLesenderArbeiter 1 year ago 6
Hi Ali
Great video, thank you for the voice of reason in a world dominated by ignorance and superstition. You strike me as a well educated, passionate and kind person. I would stand up for you. I can only imagine the conflict you must have defending and justifying such barbaric ideas that are within Islamic faith no different from any faith. I hope that one day you are no longer able rationalise them and free your self from the shackles of religion. Freedom of the mind is a wonderful thing!
FlyingAtheist 1 year ago 3
I'm not afraid to take a stand
Everybody come take my hand
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just let you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel that you've been down the same road
BuLayaan 1 year ago
hey dawah i have a question that i really want answered:
how did you learn those moves? and how long did it take you? major respect sir
Blair63B 1 year ago
who says u arent human beings?? This world is full of em ..but alot are mis led ...its all this atheists needs to say
tl627pts 1 year ago
@AnimePhreak786 I'm sorry for my undereducation, but what did the "famous" Avicenna and Averros do?
About the achievments of christian and muslim scientists, I think, it's apropriate to quite Aristotel - "Don't compare penis sizes if your can't be found with a microscope".
What are the main differences that make christianity "illogical" superstition and islam "a way of life that makes sense"? The only slight difference IMO is that the latter is more hate driven and segregational...
domaataajs 1 year ago
OMG Muslims can dance and go to school and laugh and watch thundercats, you've opened my eyes and my mind..... oh wait, pointless video.
Carry on.
bodybag22 1 year ago
You're not afraid? Wow, you're fucking cool. *rolls eyes*
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
@mynameaborat993
You were obviously served, sir. No soup for you.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms I was served when?
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
@mynameaborat993
Only someone as insecure as you would come on here and leave such a stupid comment. Rather revealing. I made this video for the purpose of spreading a message, you left your comment as an obvious act of spite. Very simple.
DawahFilms 1 year ago 4
@DawahFilms That makes me insecure?
Only someone as insecure as you would make such a stupid video.
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
@mynameaborat993
No sir, we call this art and me telling bigots to piss off.
We call comments left by people such as yourself "stupid" and insecure.
DawahFilms 1 year ago 2
@DawahFilms
You tell him, Ali. ;)
jcrebel18 1 year ago 7
dont use galloway..............he is a cunt and the worst kind of mercenary#
just like blairs stepsister in law
beereial 1 year ago
i bet you get laid constantly
Th0usandMaster 1 year ago
There's a reason TF and others did vids about you, not because you are a muslim but the fact that you said that you're willing to kill in the name of your religion. Dancing won't change that.
Juel92 1 year ago
@Juel92
Actually, they did videos about me because TF said I that I said I wanted to kill him, not because I actually said that.
But obviously, TF is perfect and not lying at all. He's not a Muslim, right?
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms Actually, I don't like TF, I used to but then he completely destroyed himself and all his credability over a period of 6 months. And didn't you say that you where going to "send him to the God he wish he knew"?
Juel92 1 year ago
@Juel92 According to him, he didn't. According to everyone else with perfectly functioning ears, that's what he said.
dioseolo 1 year ago
@dioseolo
Functioning ears you may have, but brains? That's another story.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
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dioseolo 1 year ago
@DawahFilms You mean like those required to distinguish between fairytales and reality? Yeah, I got those. Do you?
dioseolo 1 year ago
@dioseolo
Very much so. For instance, the fairytale that you somehow can distinguish between those two is very noticeable to me.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms Same thing said my schizophrenic uncle ;)
dioseolo 1 year ago
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@dioseolo I mean, I'm not the one with the word "Dawah" on my username.
dioseolo 1 year ago
@dioseolo
I'll take that as a compliment since I'm contrasting you two :)
DawahFilms 1 year ago
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@DawahFilms Whatever helps you sleep at night, sunshine :-)
dioseolo 1 year ago
@DawahFilms I love that one. Thats the best one :)
irammaniam 1 year ago
@Juel92
I said the very same thing TF said in his video "SouthPark vs. Islam", except my warning had religious language and was much more humane.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
oh snap! look at those moves. ^_^
charliesplinter 1 year ago
I don't think that the issue of 'you' being humans or not has ever been raised. Fact is, I think that most people assume that 'you' are humans...right?
1n354a 1 year ago
I think I've watched this a bunch of times. Still a great message.
TheCurmudgen 1 year ago
There is no better rebuttal to the idea that Muslims cannot get down with modernity than Ali from Dawah films getting down modern Breakdance style! Ali you got some good moves dude.
deejin25 1 year ago
@deejin25 You should check out the palestinian rap groups.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@DawahFilms
Good Video actually nice to see Muslims do *normal* things too and it doesnt always have to be about religion.
I Dont like some of the things youve said and done ex the deaththreat to Tfoot and Dixiecomic wanting him dead but i like the final warning vids and this one.
DRock7977 1 year ago
@DRock7977
1) Didn't make a death threat, unless you want to say that Tf00t did as well.
2) Dixie tells people to kill themselves all the time, hence I was just giving him a dose of his own medicine.
3) The doube standards among a large portion of atheists is rather disturbing.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms
Tfoot never said that ive pretty much seen all of his videos.
You made a threat against him no doubt though, but i think you regretted it right afterwards and have been trying to make it up so thats good.
I dont think u meant what u said basically.
If thats true about Dixiecmoic you shouldnt stoop to his level and say the same thing you should be better then that.
I definetely agree there are some crazy atheists out there but they are everywhere in society
DRock7977 1 year ago
'look at me I am so bad ass I can dance an shit' lol, Oh and George galloway that famous lycra clad cat impersonator, is the personification of fail along with the crazies he associates with.
Malthus0 1 year ago
Wow...you got some moves man.....good on ya :)
0nlyHuman1 1 year ago
George Galloway?......
SopranoIsBack 1 year ago
@SopranoIsBack
Where in this video do you see George Galloway?? I looked it over twice and I dont see him??
desiboyh 1 year ago
@desiboyh 0:28
So are these all pictures of Ali? I gotta' say it sounds horribly racist, but I have a hard time telling you apart :/
CuriousMoth 1 year ago
@desiboyh ARE YOU BLIND? 0:29
Either you are blind or you don't know what he looks like but thats okay....
google can help
SopranoIsBack 1 year ago
do you have any friends who are not also muslims???
vinyljunction 1 year ago
FWIW, your life seems a lot more worthwhile than mine. Kudos!
aifnord 1 year ago
So Badass! lmfao, this was some self aggrandizing bullshit.
freethinker3161 1 year ago
@freethinker3161 Yeah, saying "I'm a human being", that's so self aggrandizing, good thing you called him out on that. And of course it's not self aggrandizing to be prejudiced or to spew hate.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn i don't hate Dawahfilms at all . i just kinda thought this vid was a bit to much. i don't care about there feud. the is no hate here other than i didn't like this vid. nothing more. was i spewing hate?
freethinker3161 1 year ago
@freethinker3161 What's not to like? He's a pretty awesome dancer, seriousy I was enjoying it a great deal and I had no idea it was him, but realizing it was him, this guy I thought of as some cerebral, studious type with his nose in a book, well that was actually a twist. I thought it was awesome and a great way of showing that people aren't always what you expect them to be, and that's not self aggrandizement, that's a life lesson thunderf00t and many of his followers badly need.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn yeah I like breakdancing, and it shows that some muslims appreciate music, dance, art, etc etc. Not all muslims are wahabi puritans, as a matter of fact they are a tiny minority.
deejin25 1 year ago
@n8glenn i get what your saying. all good, just so you know i am no thunderfoot fan boy, just in case you thought that. i usually find him boring and kind of a jerk, especially lately. much love and respect.
freethinker3161 1 year ago
Sweet vid
WallieTF 1 year ago
Nice to see that you "danced" around the issue at hand. And funny... last time I checked, thunderf00t never claimed that Muslims weren't humans.
DixieComic is a human being too. Did you ever apologize to him for that digusting comment you made, saying that he'd be worth more to his wife and family if he were shot?
uriache 1 year ago
@uriache Check again, he called them "ants". Dance around that.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@uriache
No need to apologize to someone who says and does worse things on his channel.
You act a certain way towards people, should expect to be treated as such.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@uriache If anybody else on the internet was to make the exact same statement, nobody would give a damn and it'd be forgotten in less than a week. You're on the internet; you should be used to this sort of abrasive language already. It's not a big deal.
4gl2u 1 year ago
Greed, over-population & fear will consume humanity.
SpaceWars2025 1 year ago
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SpaceWars2025 1 year ago
Thank you for approving my video A.
HaligonianType1 1 year ago
@williamcardno Yeah. It's not about what the music is about that bothers me, it's just about it being a really really poor example of Hip Hop.
Gosu117 1 year ago
@Gosu117 Is your hip hop better? Why don't you send dawahfilms your own tracks that you recorded and maybe he'll use them instead.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Why should I have to have made better Hip Hop than Eminem to say that he sucks?
By your logic you cannot criticize ANYTHING that you can't do better than already.
That's completely illogical. I know I can't produce good Hip Hop and I'm not saying that I can.
What I am saying, is that Eminem is a shitty example of Hip Hop. Some of the worst I've heard. Listen to KRS-One, Nas, Gang Starr, Mobb Deep even some early Snoop Dogg is better than Eminem and his whiny little shit munching.
Gosu117 1 year ago
@Gosu117
Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Eminem, but I liked this track. I'm a bigger fan of The Roots, OneBeLo, Gza, KRS-One, Masta Ace, Lupe Fiasco, etc.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms Good good. :)
Gosu117 1 year ago
@Gosu117 Those guys are legends, that's true, there are also many, many others who are probably better rappers than eminem, but personally I think eminem has some funny lyrics, maybe not everything he does is great, but music isn't a competitive sport. The fact that he's not the best in the world doesn't mean he's worthless, and actually this track is a decent track and ok, maybe not the best lyrics, but so what, it fits and is appropriate.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Fair enough, it just pisses me off how all the Hip Hop I hear in media and on the radio sucks. And now when I come on YT as well. Mainstream Hip Hop just gives the rest of it a bad name imo.
Gosu117 1 year ago
@Gosu117 There's never good music on the radio, it has to fit a formula to sell, and the way they sell it is pretty dishonest, the top 40, those are just the songs that they paid the radio station to play, the ones they're trying to push, they're not necessarily even popular. The only time I remember seeing good hip hop on tv was the dave chappelle show.
n8glenn 1 year ago
if you want to break bigotry get rid of that disgusting old man you have in that picture. associating yourself with him is associating yourself with the worst of islam and i don't think you need that when your trying to make a valid point..watch?v=foqBUBUrr7M
johnnyd101 1 year ago
Nice footwork.
Maxdwolf 1 year ago
@disrxt That was the hand sign for love. Retard. Learn2metal.
Anghellik9 1 year ago
Damn man I think somebody just got a thunderous foot to the behind! I love it, and what makes it even better is all the thunder nerd flock trying to dis it! RINGS A BIT HOLLOW NERDS... They just tried to do those moves and dropped their slide rules and pocket calculators all over the place.
n8glenn 1 year ago
Did thunderf00t get served? I think he just got served
FHomeBrew 1 year ago
your a muslim, an clearly a fuckwit, you vids are shit, go die
bazzaroxthisworld 1 year ago
Muslims are not a monolithic group. Remember Cat Stevens? When he converted he stopped playing guitar. Some Muslims are critical of music with stringed instruments for religious reasons but other Muslims are not. I assume Ali is a Muslim who doesn’t object to music with stringed instruments but I maybe wrong.
JimmieHiggins 1 year ago
@JimmieHiggins There are explicit authentic hadi'ths naming stringed instruments for that matter and prohibiting them.
ahyahyahy 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy Indeed, but isn't Cat Stevens playing again and isn't he Muslim?
JimmieHiggins 1 year ago
@JimmieHiggins Islam is not based on Muslims but on the qur'an and sunnah. There are also muslims who drink alcohol and are kind to ppl but that does not change the fact that alcohol is forbidden. The same goes for any other point.
ahyahyahy 1 year ago
Great dancing. good job!
mkv1901 1 year ago
Remember people: Dawah films will "send people like you to the God you wish you knew" - be afraid infidels be very afraid..!!! lol. This poor "non-terrorist" muslim has divine right to kill you for disagreeing with him
mythinktube 1 year ago
@mythinktube
Oh, another idiot comes to post on my videos.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@mythinktube hey poor communist, stop slandering Muslims!
if you imagine the world without religion, go live in North Korea, they have no right to practice a religion because of a stupid ideology like yours: enjoy yourself with atheists like you there, until death comes. And you with your meaningless life will understand the importance of religion in human life.
atheists are the real threat to the world, communism is the proof.
gsamahh 1 year ago
@gsamahh Go fuck yourself, the Atheism = communism argument is horse shit.
Anghellik9 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 I don't talk with people using this kind of filthy language.
learn how to speak and then we might have a constructive discussion.
gsamahh 1 year ago
@gsamahh Ask yourself this: Which is worse? "filthy language" or making a sweeping generalization of a large group saying they are anti-freedom totalitarians?
It'd be the same as if I called you a terrorist based on the fact that you're a Muslim, and I knew enough not to make such a ridiculous statement.
Anghellik9 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 now we can talk like grown adults.
don't worry, I wasn't claiming that "atheism=communism": you don't have to be communist to be atheist.
Nevertheless, communism is a system based on atheism restricting the rights of people so far that they are not even allowed to practice a religion.
The reason why I call "mythnktube" a communist, is because of his YTchannel, not because of his atheism.
gsamahh 1 year ago
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@mythinktube Don't even try it, everyone knows what that actual quote was by now, you're just showing yourself to be dishonest when you take it out of context.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@mythinktube I think the worse dawahfilms can do when someone is disagreeing with him is to be extremely disingenuos, block you on site and coming up with topics he can't be arsed researching on.......
SopranoIsBack 1 year ago
@SopranoIsBack
I think the worse my skeptics can ever do is quote mine everything I say to "refute" me.
Thus far I haven't seen much else.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
Thumbs up! If I could I would give you 5 stars for those moves. Cheers :)
TheCanadianDude 1 year ago
@farabirview
Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for the opposite claim. I'm just challenging your universal statement because it is too general. I work alongside muslim people every day, but their religious views are irrelevant to me insofar as my respect for them as teachers, teaching assistants, or classmates. My respect for their state of mind regarding religion is low, but that's no different than my perspective of any religious person, including my parents or even some of my friends.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
I don't think he ever said that muslims weren't human beings or that they didn't deserve respect.
The whole thing he's doing isn't about ridiculing you, anyone, Islam or any other religion - it's about what is true/ reasonable/ adquate and what isn't.
He (actually mildly) ridicules people like you, because simple facts and classic logic don't seem to get to the religious, after all - you can't reason a person out of a mind-state if he didn't use reason to get in it.
domaataajs 1 year ago
@domaataajs who are you to determine what is true, reasonable or adequate and what isn't?!you try to impose your view on others:it will never work because you are a simple human being.
Muslims take their moral rules from ALLAH, you take yours from human minds: who should we follow? ALLAH The Creator of all things Who knows what is best for us, or arrogant people like you claiming they can make their own way to success even if they can't and will never be able to do so.
The choice is obvious.
gsamahh 1 year ago
@gsamahh It's not a "view" - it's logic and basic truths, like the one that earth goes around the sun. Ummm.. I don't want to break it to you, but your friend "ALLAH" was made by humans, dipshit. Just like any other deity.
And YOU'RE the arrogant ones - you claim to know everything - how the universe began, how we got here, why we are the way we are and what happens after we die, based on a storybook from the 4th century. Yeah, that makes f-ing sense!
And you don't have to "follow" anything..
domaataajs 1 year ago
@domaataajs don't be silly! Muslims don't deny logic nor basic truths! what's wrong with you? are you stupid enough to believe that religious people deny that earth goes around the sun? LOL don't believe all religions are the same!
Islam has nothing to do with human religions.
Islam is a deen = way of life. ALLAH means THE GOD, the Creator of all things.
HE created the human beings, not the other way around.
It is Allah that gives Life and Death, and Allah sees well all that ye do. (3:156)
gsamahh 1 year ago
@gsamahh I never said that muslims don't believe that the earth goes around the sun.. learn to read.
" Muslims don't deny logic nor basic truths"
Is evolution a lie? To believe in "paradise" makes sense? There's so much fukken evidence for the existence of it, that you can base your life on this assumption, right?
"Islam has nothing to do with human religions"
What makes you think that? Do you understand that every religious human believes that his religion isn't man-made?
domaataajs 1 year ago
@domaataajs
Quran 3:83. Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will [Accepted Islam], and to Him shall they all be brought back.
gsamahh 1 year ago
SURA 3
1. A, L, M
2. Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
3.It is He Who sent down to thee [step by step], in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law [of Moses] and the Gospel [of Jesus] before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion [of judgment between right and wrong].
4.Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty, and Allah is Exalted in Might, Lord of Retribution.
gsamahh 1 year ago
3:7 He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic; they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
gsamahh 1 year ago
Licoricelain@ OH dear oh dear lord not the intolerance nonsense, why do people even bother listening to thunderfoot half of his vids are on his nonsense about how much islam annoys him and how muslims piss him off aswell, singing and dancing is a stupid tool, im off thanks for you response
2010MujahidBoxing 1 year ago
@farabirview Not responding can have negative effects, such as the continuing perception of Islam as an overall negative force in the world.
LicoriceLain 1 year ago
@LicoriceLain
I can tell you that you aren't likely to change my perception easily. Let me explain. Suppose there is a person who is like you in virtually every way, but happens to belong to a different religion. He/she is equivalently devout in this religion as you are in yours. He/she believes that the rest of the world is mistaken about their beliefs and that his/her religion is the correct one, adamantly so.
The question is, what is the significant difference between this person and you?
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
Somebody knows how to more. ;)
LicoriceLain 1 year ago
Human Beings leave Islam, what is left is human shaped garbage. Garbage will get cleaned up.
dhimmi099 1 year ago
Whats the point of the video?
2010MujahidBoxing 1 year ago
@2010MujahidBoxing What is the point of propaganda?
dhimmi099 1 year ago
@2010MujahidBoxing That there is more to any given person than their perceived intolerances.
LicoriceLain 1 year ago
@2010MujahidBoxing
To show TF that Muslims don't need to get cleaned or there is no need of Nuclear Holocaust on Muslims
johnnystorm28 1 year ago
@farabirview
You might as well say that you're a human being, and because you believe that those things are wrong, all human beings love peace. Try this instead. Say that YOU like peace and abhor these actions instead of trying to speak for millions of people who happen to just happen to share the same ambiguous label as you.
Unless you talk to every single muslim and verify that they believe the exact same things as you, the only person you speak for is you and (maybe) the few people you know
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
I was hoping you would address Thunderf00t's claims. Are you going to? If you were trying to hunt his DOCS down, that's pretty creepy stuff. If not, then tell your side of the story.
willpoire 1 year ago
@willpoire No way he is going to do that. He is no good at it. That is not his strong point. He will dodge it and find some other way to ruffle TF's feathers. One that does not require too much thinking.
dhimmi099 1 year ago
@dhimmi099
I love how many of you think I'm stupid. It makes embarrassing you so much easier.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms
It's possible to be stupid about some things without being a stupid person.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy
Haha. You're funny. Fornication is what you call it when you want it to be coupled with inherent immorality (you know, like when you force your moral perspective onto someone else's actions). Tell me, exactly what is the moral distinction between married and unmarried people who have sex? And while you're at it, why do you think that morality exists and is worth conforming to? That may seem to be an unrelated question, but it will be important to consider when you answer the first one
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@supermagicmilk It was a response to ridicule by an atheist fellow. So if he is such a smart ass at attacking Islamic morals, ethics, way of life, etc... lets take a wonderful look at the beauty of western society and it's fruits. Btw, I'm a westerner and a convert to Islam and as a kid I clearly remember from grade 6 kids already fornicating (that's 12ish). That's all. The difference between values and standards. There is nothing wrong with sex as long as it is channeled morally not savagely.
ahyahyahy 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy
I just think it's pretty hypocritical to use the word "fornication" in the same paragraph that you tell someone they are just forcing their version of ethics on others. Here's a reality check for you. At around age 13, people develop a sex drive. What's the consequences of this? They tend to have sex. 13 is probably too young to deal with the responsibility that a sexual relationship entails, but I don't see how natural biological processes are inherently savage outside of marriage.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@supermagicmilk Point was that Islam was being attacked on it's ethical premises of marriage from a young age vs fornication. The fact that westerners are immature to have responsibility from a young age now does not change the facts. That's right. Most westerners get married in their 30s. I was 21 when I got married by my choice in fact I wanted to get married earlier. How are they savage? F'n around everybootay u can get at every club and bar? I think I will promote Islam not western ethics
ahyahyahy 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy
Sex outside of marriage != frequent sex with multiple partners. I had a sociology professor who lived together with a woman for over 20 years (also a professor), who he never married simply because he was not religious. He is one of the most intelligent and nicest people I know, and very insightful about human nature.
Sex outside of marriage is not inherently immoral, but your vocabulary can't even make the distinction and carries a high bias regardless of the context it is used in.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy
It's not like the concept of marriage even existed in every culture anyway. Was it savage for your distant ancestors to have sex before the concept of marriage was conceived? Is it savage for me to eat food without some culturally defined ritual preceding the meal? Because as far as I'm concerned, it's just as much human nature to become hungry as it is to desire and have sex, and I don't need some nonsense religion telling me I'm not savage only if I conform to its arbitrary rules.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
@supermagicmilk Right,insome cultures people used to just hump whatever they wanted too. What's your point? Yes it was savage and uneducated. Hey it's human nature let me hump whatever I want! Great thinking! Islamically we have a choice, to act intellectually or to act merely like animals with instincts and desires. If you're a man, you would think differently about your daughter 'fulfilling her desires' from 12 years of age. Westerners culture is the biggest hypocrite on the face of the planet
ahyahyahy 1 year ago
@ahyahyahy
An entire culture cannot be a hypocrite. It's not a person.
And you're right. You have to marry it before you hump it right? That makes it much, MUCH different. Married people magically become educated and never give into their desire for sex because sex becomes the logical outcome of a social union, and it no longer has anything to do with feeling good or any "savage" desires.
supermagicmilk 1 year ago
Badass video. Props to you.
This whole thing between you and T-Foot is sad. You guys both used to make cool videos about interesting topics, and this is all such a waste for everyone. Hopefully for both of your sakes this ends soon. Best wishes.
PresidentMJB 1 year ago
First off, I think you're a great dancer.
Secondly, I detest the actions you've taken, and I detest the religion you represent (not exclusively; all religions are equally harmful). Notice that I didn't say anything negative about you. Because the one thing you're right about is that we are all human beings. Perhaps this should be remembered before we act. It's a lesson we all (myself included) could stand to reflect on before we make rash, rushed decisions based on anger and vengeance.
NegativeProof 1 year ago
Sometimes its just better if certain users stay in their own corners of Youtube. Most TF fans that dislike Islam have the ability to seperate the people from faith just like they do with Christians. The bigger problem is the example Islamic theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran set for the world. My hope is that political Islam suffers the same slow death that political Christianity is.
fortyone0 1 year ago
George Galloway....
Really dude?
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
This pretty dance scene almost made me forget you're hunting down Thunderf00t's personal information and wanted to hack his account.
jimidinh 1 year ago
What you did is completely against ISLAM.
Did you forget Singing, dancing and listening to MUSIC is HARRAM (Taboo) in Islam? Don't even believe me, google it yourself ;)
Oh and I am an ex-Muslim. come hunt me too according to sharia law. ;)
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok
For an ex-Muslim you sure are ignorant about your previous faith.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@DawahFilms
It is easy to claim people are ignorant about certain things. But I rather love to see you PROVE me wrong about my claims.
Isn't it a fair call? I'd love to see who is ignorant about my claim ;).
And trust me, I am not ignorant at all. I used to go for Islamic studies classes, and I still read about Islam. It is disgusting :)
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok
You made the claim first mate. You're not right just because you come in here complaining.
DawahFilms 1 year ago
@KingSerok Proving a negative without an established positive is the most overused ass backwards logical process that plagues humanity. Now beyond that, your right to ridicule islam. Dawah is wrong to state that he has a right to defend his religion from an "awakening sleeping giant" when his religion is and has been a threat against western culture and individual freedom. Dawah wishes to censor people for saying "hurtful" things about him and that makes him an enemy to free speech.
tube2a 1 year ago
@KingSerok I'm also an ex-muslim. But not all muslims follow sharia. Many Sulfi Muslims dance all the time publicly. Just because something is against sharia doesn't mean it's "against Islam"
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Hello and thank you for reply. :)
Please search and see this on youtube:
Three things you (probably) don't know about islam
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok I've seen it. ANND? In fact, I know more than that video. It's untrue that the Quran is written during Mohammed's lifetime. I understand the Quran was written down after Mohammed's death, by his followers or Sahabah during the reign of the Kalifah Abu Bakr who ordered it to be collected and written down. You should know the same as an ex-muslim. Now what the video should have said is that the Quran was DICTATED by Mohammed during his lifetime, not WRITTEN.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
yeh..and Osman finalized and synchronized Qur'an.
My point was about SHARIA Law. You previously said many Muslims don't practice Sharia law, and I agree. However a true Muslim MUST follow sharia law.
If Dawah is following CERTAIN commands of Islam, then why the !@#$ is he b*tching about his religion!?
Either he is a true muslim, or he is a muslim whenever he is pleased. ;)
Sharia is a MUST, not an option. And according to Sharia and Prophet Mohammad, music is haram.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok "However a true Muslim MUST follow sharia law."
And why is that? What I believe makes you a muslim at the bare minimum, is believing in one god and there is other and mohammed is his messenger. That alone will get you into heaven, eventually. You may have to spend some time in hell to deal with your sins.
This makes your statement "a true muslim" completely false.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Ur Statement is just accurate as if it is that easy to be a gay in an Islamic country that practices Sharia Law.
I know many so called muslim that Drink, gamble or even commit fornication, with a condom in their pocket all the time. I don't even bother if they dance, however since our topic refers to Mr. Dawah, and he is someone that advertises for Islam, it is a must to follow each and everything according Islam.
Think of Osama Bin laden with Snoop dogg and pussycat dolls. LMAO
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok You don't understand the difference between a sinning muslims and a nonmuslim. I've tried to explain it multiple times. One last time: a muslims is someone who says and believes in the Shahadah. A sinning muslims is a muslim who does anything haram, except giving partners to Allah or denouncing the Shahadah. See the difference? For all I know Snoop Dogg could be a muslim, if he has said and believes in the Shahadah.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@KingSerok A muslim can still do Haram things, they'll just pay for it with Hell Fire time. Or they have to repent or something along those lines. It's like saying if you miss one day of Ramadan then you're instantly a non-muslim. And that is clearly not the case. If you miss a day, you have to pay a fee (feed so many people) and repent. You're still a muslim, even though you sinned. And you could replace missing a day of Ramadan with drinking or fornicating whatever except Shirkh,partnering god
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@KingSerok Also I'm not sure which islamic school you went to when you were muslim, but I went to one in Ohio. And we were never taught strict Sharia like what is practiced in Saudi Arabia. We were taught the good parts of the Quran. And to fear hell. And so on.
But as I got older, and read more I found out that as Hawking and Mlodinow put it, "God is unnecessary"
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@KingSerok For someone who claims to be an ex-muslim you sure are ignorant of the facts. If your response to my claim that sufi muslims do allow dancing is to link me to that video... then I would have to believe that you got all your information about Islam from that video. And you are just claiming to be an exmuslim as if that grants you some status or credibility.
I'm going to pick apart every bit of that video that I find wrong, and ask for a response.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
You don't need to be arrogant to make a point. Go on and ask, in a civilized manner, and I try my best to respond.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok "The quran was meant to be taken literally and is not full of symbolism or vague analogies" Well in Islamic school I was taught nothing but vague analogies and when I confronted my father with the fact that everything I was learning seemed like an analogy or allegorical. He admitted that he too considered a lot of what he was taught to be allegorical, take for instance the story of Noah and the Ark or Yunus and the Whale. Even my father wasn't stupid enough to take these literally!
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
And since when YOU and YOUR school is considered to be the right way of teaching and learning Islam?
Punishments, value of women, way of beating wife (along with its reasons), killing infidels, beheading non-believers, allowing to have sex with nonbeliever's wives after war (when captured as slave), Qesas and so and so are DIRECT COMMANDS.
Get your facts right buddy.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok Like I just stated, your claim that there is a "right way of teaching and learning Islam?" is a false claim. Because the ONLY thing one needs to do to be considered a Muslim in the eye's of Allah is to say the shahadah. If you believe in one god, there is no other, and Mohammed is his messenger. Then you are a REAL Muslim. Just because you didn't follow a different command doesn't make you a non-muslim, it makes you a sinning muslim! You need to get your facts right! Mr "exmuslim"
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Actually it was YOU who mentioned "Me" and "My School".
As a matter of fact I don't even consider ways of teaching as a standard. I prefer reading Qur'an and Islamic books for that matter, not the way people do and show.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok The video eludes that because the "peaceful tolerant passages were written early" that Muslims are then commanded to disregard them because the passages that came later "supersede the earlier ones"
This is blatantly untrue. The video itself contradicts this statement. By claiming that only contradictory statements are to be superseded. But it makes no claim that the "violent" passages are then contradicted later. Because doing so would make it obvious. It's lying by omission here!
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Actually, those passages that are called makki (written early) are indeed more peaceful and tolerant than passages that were written later which are called Madani passages.
Killing infidels, beheading them and etc. are all in "madani" part of qur'an. If you need examples of such verses, PLEASE FEEL FREE for the sources ;)
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok I don't deny they're there. What I do deny is the claim that they are contradictory and thus nullified and replaced.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Indeed there are contradictory verses. I can provide you "Evidence". :-)
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok But you can't provide evidence from scholars saying they are nullified and replaced by later passages.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Tafsir is the most disgusting part of Islam. Whenever there is a ridiculous verse or claim in Qur'an, Scholars twist and bend it so much just to cover the heavy ugly truth.
You do NOT need Tafsir for a CLEAR command or verse. Yes you do need for some parts of Qur'an to get the context but for many parts, its just covering up.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok So you're saying you don't need Muslims to agree that previous good passages are nullified by later more vitriolic passages? You just say it and thus it's true? Do you really believe that?
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@lilsorms202
Huh? Did I say such?
What I am sure is, that Qur'an does containt contradictory statements, and Qur'an itself tells that later verses supersede the previous ones.
With that in mind, go and see Qur'an YOURSELF regarding how to deal with nonbelievers. Check before and after and you get the idea.
PS: I g2g out. will be back in few hours.
Cheers.
KingSerok 1 year ago
@KingSerok I agree the Quran certainly does contradict itself and science. But what I don't agree with is the illusion made by that video where directly after saying the Quran allows later passages to supersede earlier contradictions, the video goes on to claim that because later passages are more violent thus they supersede the earlier nicer passages. Watch the video again, you'll see it. And you can't logically agree with that claim. And from your Huh? I would say you don't.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@KingSerok Look I still have a Quran on my bookshelf. It was given to me when I graduated high school, too bad that was also almost exactly when I became an Athiest. I know Sharia states Apostates should be executed, and I'm thankful my parents don't believe that hah.
This was a good discussion, and off to sleep I go.
lilsorms202 1 year ago
@KingSerok You actually believe makki translates as written early?
lilsorms202 1 year ago