Authoritarians demand income or sales confiscation in New Hampshire

[hpso12xu]

she has a smoker's laugh.

[libertyfizz]

I am left wondering did anyone actually question the need for more money or was that just a given as part of population growth? Maybe you should tell them they would be rolling in money if they legalized marijuana. Reduced cost of law enforcement and a new voluntary revenue source. Not to mention all the productivity of people who are no longer getting 3 hots and a cot for having plant material in their possession.

[lisapratt1]

taxes please. what the hellis going here...we d ont need taxes im tired of spending money on these hoitey toiteys.

[Mooseboy240]

yay dave ridley is my hero! why don't you run for an office dave?

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

NH is becoming another Connecticut where the rich are ultra-rich and the poor are ultra-poor. Look at Nashua and Manchester and then compare those places to Windham and Amherst.

Another reason we need to end capitalism, folks. I don't care whether we replace it with marxism, anarchism, or mutualism. Just please, end capitalism.

[ekeyra]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 wow good luck with that.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@ekeyra You will thank us for it, trust me.

[ekeyra]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 fuck i will

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Another reason we need to end capitalism"

The only reason you're not a subsistence dirt farmer, and you want to end it?

Please, Tom Woods, "Applying Economics to American History":

youtube com/watch?v=m-LJ3wZjD4I

[libertyfizz]

@CurtHowland You would think by now people would realize when people typically complain about capitalism they are not complaining about free markets. They are complaining about cronie capitalism. Where government and favored businesses collude to suppress free trade. I have no problem with people getting wealthy as long as they did not use government to squash their competition or get themselves government handouts.

[CurtHowland]

@libertyfizz "They are complaining about cronie capitalism"

There are lots of smart folks who are giving up on the word "capitalism" completely, the way that "liberal" was abandoned after it was changed to mean "liberal with other people's money".

Or "libertarian" after the Libertarian party was taken over by the Republicans.

"as long as they did not use government"

James Hill and the Great Northern railroad. Never took a dime of govt money, but was the first prosecution under "anti trust".

[libertyfizz]

Looking from the outside I have to say the property taxes in NH are insane. If you lose a job or income you are still on the hook for property tax. And that means you risk losing your home. A lose of income or lower income isn't as hard hit by sales or income tax. I you buy less or make less your tax burden goes down. However, to lower your tax burden in NH under the current system. You end up living in a cardboard box (exaggeration for effect).

[libertyfizz]

@libertyfizz Damn limits Utube.

I am all for reducing the burden of government. I dislike the constant increasing budgets. If they would just authorize vouchers and free up private school choice. That would cut the spending way down. Cause store front schools would pop up. Also, eliminating victimless crimes another budget saver. But doesn't NH have a tax on savings accounts as well? So if you have savings and property but little income NH isn't all that great.

[NHTPC]

@libertyfizz You're pretty naive to think you'd have no property taxes even if we had an income tax! LOL

[libertyfizz]

@NHTPC I don't think you understood my point. I don't expect property taxes to disappear. The problem is property taxes as a main revenue source. As the demand for revenue increases it harms those who have property and savings but little income. I understand the idea is to make people aware of the cost of government. But as the population ages and the balance of those with property and reduced income increases expect NH to get an income tax to take some of the pressure off of property tax.

[NHTPC]

John Marshall in 1819 wrote that "The power to tax involves the power to destroy".

[CurtHowland]

@NHTPC He was referring to the fact that the individual States were taxing branches of the Bank of the United States so much that the Bank was having to close.

[mercurio0000]

To Tax the people is to destroy the people. I don't remember who said those words. But they were right.

[BlueCollarSurvival]

1:45 thats a nice house

[NHTPC]

cnht.org/news/2010/09/20/gsftc­-to-hold-forums-will-promote-s­tate-income-tax/

[libertyfizz]

@NHTPC The reason this movement is gaining traction in NH is because of an aging population. The current tax system in NH favors earners not retired folks. The elderly will resent property tax being the main revenue source as they no longer benefit from no income tax. Do I have to remind you who votes most often. To combat an income tax you have to keep this in mind offering a solution in which property taxes don't force people out of their homes. Something more than income taxes bad.

[ekeyra]

@Dewdaahman nice try marx

[sleedolfine15]

@Dewdaahman Commerce is an essential part of business. It is the exchange of one value--a good or service for another value(usually although not always money). Without commerce,whatever value you have and wish to dispose of has no way of finding its way from you to whomever wants it in exchange for the thing you have. Taxing commerce adds cost to both traders in the transaction--thereby injuring all of the parties involved--other than government who gains power from taxes.

[PatriotsRepublic]

@Dewdaahman First, you don't get to decide what is or is not of value to someone else...you can only decide what is valuable to you. Second, commerce is a very simple exchange of goods and/or services for goods and/or services. Currency is a good or service turned into some agreed upon tender to represent value which is why gold and silver and other precious metals have been such a good currency. Whoever taught you economics cheated you... because you have no clue what you are talking about.

[CurtHowland]

@PatriotsRepublic "Whoever taught you economics cheated you... because you have no clue what you are talking about."

Indeed, nothing is more obvious.

I hope he takes the opportunity to learn some economics, with MisesMedia it's easy.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman "commerce is buying and then selling what bought, adding no value"

I very seriously recommend /user/MisesMedia and the daily articles, books, and audio at Mises org to learn some more about economics.

Trade only occurs if both parties believe they gain by doing so. That makes voluntary trade a positive-sum transaction.

I value the bubblegum more than my quarter, the shopowner values the quarter more than the bubblegum.

Win-win, both are more wealthy with trade than without.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman "buying a piece of gun for a quarter is not "commerce""

That's great. You go tax "commerce", and I'll engage in trade, and you won't get a penny of your tax.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman "it's doublespeak"

Yes, it certainly is.

Please, please, take the time to learn some economics.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman "I can lead you to water, drinkin' is up to you my friend.."

What's really funny is that I'm not disagreeing with you.

Your ignorance of economics needs to be cured as you say your ignorance of the language of government has been.

I also looked up "commerce", and it means what I thought it meant: Doing business.

[PatriotsRepublic]

@Dewdaahman oh jeezus... would you just knock it off with the logical fallacies!!

This is so simple, my four year old can figure it out... Commerce is the exchange of something of value between two entities. The entities can be people... they can be companies, commerce is a market action. You purchase a pack of gum... you are partaking in commerce. Of course there is markup... that's how people make profit. And, if you think the markup is unreasonable, you don't buy it. That's also commerce.

[PatriotsRepublic]

@Dewdaahman agree to disagree? No we cannot! Commerce only has one definition! You can't just go around making up new definitions for words just to fit your world view. The minute you do that, you lose the argument.

[sleedolfine15]

@PatriotsRepublic I like that--short and to the point. You explained it to him much better than I did.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman Now just to correct you once more, it matters not one wit what Black's Law Dictionary says a word means. It only matters how those words are used and enforced.

So while you may say "tax commerce, where no one increases value", which is false anyway, any such tax will be used to extract money from all businesses regardless of what they do, because the meaning of the word is irrelevant to the tax collector.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman You ignore the value of a stock market.

If there were no value, it would not exist.

I think it's in this one, "The Corporation and the Free Market " by Peter Klein:

mises.org/media/5251

where he discusses the stock markets and how they add tremendous value to the management of firms large and small.

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman Just so you don't think I'm equivocating or avoiding, I -DO- understand that you''re trying to assert that shares of stock go up and down, with profits and losses to buyers and sellers, but it's still just a piece of paper with no change in its intrinsic value. I get it.

You're wrong, because you ignore economic reality and the reasons that people buy and sell those pieces of paper.

Trying to justify taxation is not going to work. Taxation is theft. That's all.

[sleedolfine15]

@Dewdaahman Under capitalism,It is'nt really possible to corner an entire market. Using your example,if someone tried to corner the market in wheat in order to re-sell at a overly high price they would fail (1)People would seek cheaper substitutes for wheat products(2)wheat would be shipped in from other areas--attracted by the excessively high prices & sold cheaper to undercut the monopolist. But that aside,why is it ok to steal from the businessman smart enough to anticipate consumer desires?

[CurtHowland]

@Dewdaahman "we are no longer a Capitalist country."

Haven't been since 1783.

I recommend "Hamilton's Curse" by Tom DiLorenzo.

But seriously, where there is less (or no) regulation, competition flourishes and monopolies do not exist.

Where there is regulation, monopolies are encouraged, mergers abound, and a few big players end up running everything including the regulators.

The answer has always been the same: Abolish the regulation.

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

@CurtHowland So you hate government intervention in the market. Why not become a mutualist then? Capitalism demands a state!

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Capitalism demands a state!"

Can you support this assertion?

"Why not become a mutualist then?"

Because I believe the system proposed fails because it expects people to value their own labor equal with others.

In a free market, people trade whatever it is they value less for what they value more. That's it. A simple recognition of what people do anyway.

Capitalism is what you get when you leave people alone.

[CurtHowland]

@sleedolfine15 DiLorenzo's book, "How Capitalism Saved America" goes into several case studies (the whole book is basically case studies) where someone tried to "corner the market" only to defeat themselves.

The only time it works is when govt steps in and outlaws competition.

[sleedolfine15]

@CurtHowland I'll have to find DiLorenzo's book. Thanks. Have you seen Dr.Thomas Woods's lecture on the same subject? It's on YouTube. If only I'd had teachers like him when I was in college.

[CurtHowland]

@sleedolfine15 Yes, YouTube/user/MisesMedia is one of my subscriptions. I try to watch everything they put out, and it's well worth it.

The talk that Nepalitano gave at Mises University 2010 is EPIC!

[t2491tom]

lmao "fair taxes"

[FlailingJunk]

@t2491tom

Hand over the money or I shoot you. That's fair, right?

[Aryaba]

Thank you for this, I am one of the free-staters who have promised to move to New Hampshire (from Massachusetts, but I used to live in Nashua) and I like your reports on what is going on. Keep up the great work.