Masha Allah its enough of a start for a being to recognise their Creator Allah swt, Rabbil'Aalameen. Sister Aisha dont pay mind to people judging you the way unfortunately some viewers are - theyre judging you as if though they were appointed to judge by God All Mighty astaghfirullah. it is upto you yourself to secure your path to Him, you will find many people nonmuslim and EVEN muslims (like u no who :P) that will discourage you even have the intention 2 drive u away etc jus keep Tawakal'Allah
When i converted to islam my family hated the decision i made but im not embaraced to call my self a muslim and to say that the only god i belive in is allah because my family dont like. Im muslim in proud! So why are u not telling ur family and friends. R u ashamed??
ok fair enough but why take ya shahada and embrace islam if your not fuly ready to make the whole life style choice. As soon as u take your shahada its like ur born again ur new life gets judged from that time so shudnt u be fuly ready to grasp the concept of ur new life in islam and do everything that allah teaches not look like a lost little girl like u do,
No offence u still sound confused yourself. U have a face full of makeup u look a mess then u talk about your journey to embrace islam people like u give convert sisters a bad name but inshallah allah will guide you and show you whats right
No offence u still sound confused yourself. U have a face full of makeup u look a mess then u talk about your journey to embrace islam people like u give convert sisters a bad name but inshallah allah will guide you and show you whats right
dont listen to this Alicia, listen only to beautiful muslims, they will never tell you that you are not muslim, because being muslim is doing good deeds for Allah(swt)
@Alicianawaz17 "There's no force in religion, and Good deed that are consistent (istiqamah) matters more than something drastic but only lasts for a while. jzzk :)
salamvalikum dear sister in islam,allah may bless u with more knowledge about islam ameeen.mail me at shafahed@yahoo.com for any querys about islam n world politics n ecomices n current news inshallaha i will help u iam from britan
frm the moment you took your shadah you will be tested by Allah.
Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested,And We indeed tested those who were before them.(al-ankabut).
The test might be come from the family,frens,material,the whole dunia is a test for the believer.
Hope you will successfully pass the testl till the end of day and meet you in Jannah Al firdaus...Aminnn..dont stop seeking knowledge of islam
Well if this girl really was indeed Shi'a, then Salafi-Wahhabies certainly wouldn't like it and that's a fact. She would be considered a 'kaffir' just because she doesn't subscribe to the Mr. pious Shaykh's definition of Islam. It's good to know that we will be judged by men on the day of judgment and not Allah(SWT) :)
but if she follows and agrees with a doctrine that gives humans the attributes of Allah, then of course that would make her a disbeliever cos islam is strictly monothiestic
I know your type of Muslim. You are the one that is arrogant, you have no right to call the Shi'a Kaffirs. When you did, you gave me that right to call you a Takfiri. Stop posting propaganda and dogma. Can't take heat, don't dish out.
i said give me evidence, not your own idea of how things should be.
i never called all shia k kuffar. i said that the doctrine of the shia is kufr, and those that follow it have full knowledge of what it contains are kaafir.
this does not make me a takfiri, because if you are saying i am a takfiri, then you are saying that hanafi malaki shafi3i and hanbali are all takfiris too.
Actually most of the time, people(as far as Muslims are concerned) are actually praying AROUND grave, not TO the grave as if praying to Allah(SWT). People like you just like to exaggerate and point out extreme instances to help further your agenda, and verify YOUR views of Islam. I am a step ahead of you and your way of thinking man, I used to be like you...
'your type of muslim' what you mean educated and speaks according to quran and sunnah not according to whims and desires, unsubstantiated claims and contradictions to what evidence shows like the muslims you clearly affiliate with
authubillah man, if someone sits and shows you proof you should not be so close minded and arrogant. if you showed me proof that i would wrong i would not continue on misinformation
and no there are plenty of ayat in the quran that state the worshipping someone other than Allah or giving Humans the attributes of Allah is shirk Akbar
Man you people are like robots or something. Why do you like to put words in people's mouths? I never said I rejected ahadith, I just said the Qur'an comes FIRST for me. Qur'an is perfect and was sent by Allah(SWT). Hadith was NOT.
this is incorrect. because the scholars of islam, scholars that we all agree are following quran and sunnah, call certain people kuffar.
it is a deep, complicated and very interesting subject of islam.
with all respect sister, i know you mean well but what you are saying is coming from your heart and is not backed up by evidence. and if you look through the books of islam you will find that they contradict waht you are saying
You know what I find rather strange GuiltyOfBeingMuslim? Is that you go on and on about people needing proof to back up their claims (in almost all of your comments), but in all of your comments addressed to myself and others here, you haven't provided ANY of your sources of information nor have you explained anything you have said. You just say "this is deep" or "this is complicated" without explaining why it is "deep" or "complicated".
Hold up, we were talking about the Qur'an and Sunnah, when I posted the comment saying: 'People who speak "according to the Qur'an and Sunnah" do NOT and never will call a person a kaffir', right? So why did you respond giving me what Abu Hanifa, Maliki, and Razi say when they are not the Qur'an and Sunnah?
because they are stict followers of quran and sunnah! they are the major authorities of how you and me live as a muslim today dating back to the time of the sahaba and tabi3een!!
Maybe they are for you. But I live as a Muslim according to what God has said in the Qur'an and according to the Hadith. Read 6:159 of the Qur'an. True Muslims do not go into divisions.
By the way, why are you still talking about the Shi'a beliefs? I've told you plenty of times - I don't want to hear it. We were talking about them being called "Aisha". Not if what they believe is true or not true.
Lol - I know who those three scholars are. I've read a lot of their work and the work of others who have been greatly influenced by them/learnt a lot from.
And for goodness sake, I KNOW that associating partners with God makes you a kaffir! It's shirk - the only unforgivable sin. I thought you said you don't judge people? Why are you saying I have little understanding, that I have my own, seperate agenda and don't know who those three scholars are? FYI - I know who those three men are and I am still learning (and I love learning too) but I know enough to live my life (which I don't think is "little" at all).
"yet yourself have no understanding of quran and sunnah, nor do you follow it even near completely.
you dont live according to what Allah said in the quran, because i dont think you really know everything that Allah said quran - or the hadith for that matter"
you say first that people who follow quran and sunnah dont call anyone kaafir. when i show you that people who do indeed follow quran and sunnah do call certain people kaafir accoring to quran and sunnah, you reject it all together.
yet yourself have no understanding of quran and sunnah, nor do you follow it even near completely.
you dont live according to what Allah said in the quran, because i dont think you really know everything that Allah said quran - or the hadith for that matter
if i am going to go ahead through every ayah of quran and every hadith to prove my point i will be here for ever. the scholars of islam have already done that job, so i am showing you what they said.
i am not here to give a lesson. i'm here only to make simple points
Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the sahaba, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the ProphetSAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the ProphetSAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the sahaba. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation."
i guess i know the evidence is out there so i put forward a convincing argument and expect people to do their own research... thats what i do anyway when things get put forward to me.
nothing is too deep or complicated
sometimes i dont know off hand the proofs, or it would take to long for me to include them
you need to understand the conditions of la illaha il allah and then you will understand that first, there is nothing wrong with imam abdul wahab and he bought nothing new to the deen that the earlier scholars didnt mention, he merely compiled things.
second you will understand why the shia doctrine is considerred something that is outside of islam
eg. grave worship, asking humans for help that only Allah can give etc
Right. Would you still appreciate Emma if you knew that she was a Shia Muslim? Not disrespecting Shiites, but just saying. She's a very staunch Shia Muslim.
yes you are right, there are plenty of people called Mohamad (the praised one) and yet they are some of the worst people in society
but in regards to the name aicha - shia will never call themselves aicha, because they hate the beloved wife of the prophet, that is the point i was making, nothing more:)
If you are a Muslim, why do you slander others? I know ENOUGH Shi'a people who are named "Aisha" and I have never met someone who is Shi'a who hates Aisha (Abu Baker's daughter/Muhammed's SAW wife). I mean, why on earth would they? She was a Muslim, and they are Muslim. Believers do not hate one another.
my mother is shia, she is like you explain. they dont know their doctrine entails.
i dont judge shia as a whole. and a true shia that understands what it means to be a shia, and insists on following this falsehood, is not a believer, because they worship other than Allah.
OMG! What is wrong with you? Shi'a believe in the Qur'an - so they DO believe in God. They say "God is Great" in their caller to prayer and they say the shahadah - which begins with "I bear witness there is no god but God!".
And why on earth are you claiming that their beliefs are false?! I was NOT talking about their beliefs which differ to yours - but simply about the name "Aisha".
you said in a previous message that no one who follows quran and sunnah would call anyone a kaafir. i was addressing that and showing you that this is a false statement.
you're getting worked up and focusing on finer details that really dont matter
i agreed that maybe i shouldnt have said shia would never call their child aisha (if they didnt understand shiaim properly) but those who understand it simply dont call there child aisha
"you're getting worked up and focusing on finer details that really dont matter..."
It's because I really don't like seeing other Muslims argue with each other or say untrue and negative things about other Muslims. Like how you said they hate Aisha (Mohammed's SAW wife) and that they don't believe in God. Those things do matter to me - it's why Muslims are so weak today. Because of arrogance and not being united.
i have done a lot of research on shia. i am not ignorant of this matter. thats not to say i dont have a lot to learn still.
i know that the general shia dont hate the wife of the prophet pbuh but that is due to not knowing what it really means to be shia. they dont read their own religious books by their scholars. they are just laymen.
with these people, i would never call them kaafir. if someone were to explain to them what it really means to be shia the would probably reject shiaism
i am not an arrogant person. i also hate arrogance.
and if i start to feel myself becoming arrogant or my heart becoming hard i try to correct myself. and if someone proves me wrong, i wont be stubborn on my falsehood
i agree that muslims should be united. but we cannot unite on falsehood, we can only unite on truth. and i dont accept the shia doctrine as part of islam, not because i said, but because the earliest scholars of islam said
i didnt say that they dont believe in Allah, i said they worship along side him other things like people. they give humans attributes taht only belong to Allah, like knowledge of the past and future. they also make dua to graves and call out for ali RA and hussain RA to help them, in situations where only Allah can help, and only He deserves to be asked
regarding your comment that a person who follows quran and sunnah will never call someone a kaafir. the scholars is islam, hanafi shafi3i hanbali and maliki have made various statements saying that the shia doctrine is kufr, and following it knowing what it entails makes you a kafir.
STOP telling me that Shi'a are kuffar. I am talking to you about Shi'a being called "Aisha" and Shi'a (supposedly) hating Aisha.
Not ONCE did I say anything about their beliefs being true or not. So why in the world are you commenting to me about it? WHY are you trying to prove to me that they are kuffar when I am not saying they are or that they are not?
If your response to that is "so and so is Shi'a and they hated her" then you should know that it's not OK to judge someone based on the actions of others, for any reason. Any open-minded person knows that we are all very unique, and cannot be generalised.
The name "Aisha" is a very popular name all around the world, not just amongst Muslims. It's an Arabic name meaning "living" (or "prosperous"). Not all people are named after a certain, well-known individual. They could be named by their parents because of the meaning or because they just liked the name.
I know someone called Mariam and she doesn't like this other girl who is called Mariam, but she doesn't go and change her name because of this.
yes i do understand the point you are making, and you are right in this i guess on a general scale.
i said what i said based on true shia who know what they are following. like the shia in iraq or iran. they would never EVER call their daughter aicha no matter how nice it sounds or how nice the meanig is
So you have met every single Iraqi and Iranian Shi'a, and every single other Shi'a person? You can read their minds, know the reasons behind the decisions they make, know what they truly believe and know what is in their heart because?
i know what they believe, and i know if they are strong in there faith they would never do it. i dont have to meet every single iraqi shia to know that
shia islam is a corrupted version of islam and its like a repetition of trinitarian Christianity like caliph ali is supposed to be god's incarnate in other words he represents jesus the son in shia-ism but she wouldn't be a shia since it's like christanity again, more likely a sunni to get the idea of "god having a son" lost
kimdonesia lied alot after leaving islam, go read the comments she posted on her vid, she confessed that she was a munnafiqan in her muslim days! She's now become our new enemy .
AsalaamuAlaikumwaRahmatulahiwaBarakatu! Welcome to Islam! Congratulations! The Best Gift I can give to you is to tell you to not read any other Religious Book except The Quran for AT LEAST one full and complete reading, along with pondering over the Verses; satan has created sects in Islam, and you must protect your Islam from obvious and subtle attacks; First, see things from ALLAH's Point of View so that you'll be able to discard false information InshAllah.
(2) Beware! Guard your Islam InshAllah! :D May Allah increase Guidance and Light for the nonMuslim families; May Allah increase His Blessings and Rewards for you Dear sister, and Bless you to occupy your GORGEOUS home in Jenna! I love you for the Good Pleasure of Allah, Your Big Sister in Islam
Peace KimDonesia, No, I'd still be nice to her or any other Muslim, whose stance on Islam, would not be clear to me; If she reads the whole Quran systematically, InshAllah, she may decide to make other choices - Allah Knows Best.
[31:33]"O people, you shall reverence your Lord, and fear a day when a father cannot help his own child, nor can a child help his father. Certainly, GOD's promise is truth. Therefore, do not be distracted by this life; do not be distracted from GOD by mere illusions"
[2:21]"O people, worship only your Lord - the One who created you and those before you-that you may be saved"
[35:15] "O people, you are the ones who need GOD, while GOD is in no need for anyone, the Most Praiseworthy"
@sicknick111 Never but my Christian friend just shot his wife in the face with a shot gun in July.
Anotherexchristian 2 months ago
Well, as long as you're making stupid videos and not blowing people up, believe whatever nonsense you want.
IQbrew 6 months ago
Masha Allah its enough of a start for a being to recognise their Creator Allah swt, Rabbil'Aalameen. Sister Aisha dont pay mind to people judging you the way unfortunately some viewers are - theyre judging you as if though they were appointed to judge by God All Mighty astaghfirullah. it is upto you yourself to secure your path to Him, you will find many people nonmuslim and EVEN muslims (like u no who :P) that will discourage you even have the intention 2 drive u away etc jus keep Tawakal'Allah
Sacrafice4HIM 6 months ago
When i converted to islam my family hated the decision i made but im not embaraced to call my self a muslim and to say that the only god i belive in is allah because my family dont like. Im muslim in proud! So why are u not telling ur family and friends. R u ashamed??
Alicianawaz17 10 months ago
@Anotherexchristian
ok fair enough but why take ya shahada and embrace islam if your not fuly ready to make the whole life style choice. As soon as u take your shahada its like ur born again ur new life gets judged from that time so shudnt u be fuly ready to grasp the concept of ur new life in islam and do everything that allah teaches not look like a lost little girl like u do,
Alicianawaz17 10 months ago
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No offence u still sound confused yourself. U have a face full of makeup u look a mess then u talk about your journey to embrace islam people like u give convert sisters a bad name but inshallah allah will guide you and show you whats right
Alicianawaz17 10 months ago
No offence u still sound confused yourself. U have a face full of makeup u look a mess then u talk about your journey to embrace islam people like u give convert sisters a bad name but inshallah allah will guide you and show you whats right
Alicianawaz17 10 months ago
@Alicianawaz17 Towers are built in months not minutes.
Anotherexchristian 10 months ago 4
@Anotherexchristian May Allah give you strenght in faith. ;) peace
dont listen to this Alicia, listen only to beautiful muslims, they will never tell you that you are not muslim, because being muslim is doing good deeds for Allah(swt)
nocaptivity 6 months ago
@Alicianawaz17 "There's no force in religion, and Good deed that are consistent (istiqamah) matters more than something drastic but only lasts for a while. jzzk :)
akinazlan 4 months ago
Alhamdulilah !! You are one strong woman !
rogston39 1 year ago
marrige me
3131adel 1 year ago
mashallah may ALLAH make it easy 4 u 2 practise Islam in peace
alimuhammad04031985 1 year ago
salamvalikum dear sister in islam,allah may bless u with more knowledge about islam ameeen.mail me at shafahed@yahoo.com for any querys about islam n world politics n ecomices n current news inshallaha i will help u iam from britan
shafahed 1 year ago
Allah bless you
thugshakur 1 year ago
Amazing. Mashalla!
osemiom 2 years ago
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
"I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them."
manotruth777 2 years ago
stick with ur faith, marry me
eddyshaharuddin 2 years ago
frm the moment you took your shadah you will be tested by Allah.
Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested,And We indeed tested those who were before them.(al-ankabut).
The test might be come from the family,frens,material,the whole dunia is a test for the believer.
Hope you will successfully pass the testl till the end of day and meet you in Jannah Al firdaus...Aminnn..dont stop seeking knowledge of islam
ampdublin 2 years ago
makeup is not Islamic.. thats all i have to say, natural beauty is from Allah swt
safa0shah 2 years ago
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may allah strength ur faith insha'allah
ahmeddddd78 2 years ago
may allah strength ur believes insha'allah
ahmeddddd78 2 years ago
Mashallah, welcome to the family Sister :)
Hukido0o0o0o0o0o0 2 years ago 8
fReE uR m1nD.
mooky1977 2 years ago
inshallah everybody will be muslims.
sofianbelhedi 2 years ago 6
welcome welcome welcome sister.
thanks allah ,he guided you .
you are now protectet with allah will from the bad and the wrong of this life.
sofianbelhedi 2 years ago
kimdonesia is evil i've been censored to comment , And she promised that there would be no censorship on her channel!
papasmurfXXX 2 years ago
Fuck you kim you've cencored me to comment on your channel page! i hate you , Dirty asshole, you cant censor me to comment on your page! gah!
papasmurfXXX 2 years ago
laav yaa
rukhgulab 2 years ago
I wonder how all that makeup would go over in Saudi or Iran hmm
Deep seated delusions, a kind of desire of grandure, believing that one is more than they are
The ego of this poor girl isnt in balance, the acceptance of death scares her, but she cant admit that
Purpose of life is what you make it
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
Well if this girl really was indeed Shi'a, then Salafi-Wahhabies certainly wouldn't like it and that's a fact. She would be considered a 'kaffir' just because she doesn't subscribe to the Mr. pious Shaykh's definition of Islam. It's good to know that we will be judged by men on the day of judgment and not Allah(SWT) :)
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
no she wouldnt be automatically deemed a kaafir
but if she follows and agrees with a doctrine that gives humans the attributes of Allah, then of course that would make her a disbeliever cos islam is strictly monothiestic
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
@GuiltyOfBeingMuslim now i read in her channel that he do not even believe in God almighty ! astghfr allah
TheCoolmuslim 2 years ago
Typical takfiri arrogance.
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
give evidence to back up your claim, dont just make fun and call names
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
do you have any idea what the shia imams say about the beloved sahaba?
you know, i am so insulted that you would call me arrogant and a takfiri (which i am not)
you have no right, and no basis for this name calling, and its your arrogance that doesnt let you see beyond your nose
go look at what imam abu hanifa said about the shia, about what shafi3i malaki and imam hanbal said about the shia
dont shoot the messengers
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
I know your type of Muslim. You are the one that is arrogant, you have no right to call the Shi'a Kaffirs. When you did, you gave me that right to call you a Takfiri. Stop posting propaganda and dogma. Can't take heat, don't dish out.
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
i said give me evidence, not your own idea of how things should be.
i never called all shia k kuffar. i said that the doctrine of the shia is kufr, and those that follow it have full knowledge of what it contains are kaafir.
this does not make me a takfiri, because if you are saying i am a takfiri, then you are saying that hanafi malaki shafi3i and hanbali are all takfiris too.
if you even know who these people are
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
let me ask you, if someone prays to a person inside a grave, instead of praying to Allah - the way christians pray to jesus, what does that make them?
and if someone says that a human knows everything in the past present and future - which is something only allah can do - what does that make them?
you're going to tell me its not your place to judge, and that would be a typical response from someone who talks out of a whim
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Actually most of the time, people(as far as Muslims are concerned) are actually praying AROUND grave, not TO the grave as if praying to Allah(SWT). People like you just like to exaggerate and point out extreme instances to help further your agenda, and verify YOUR views of Islam. I am a step ahead of you and your way of thinking man, I used to be like you...
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
no this is not exaggerated you simplify things because you are uneducated regarding what shiaism is
and the fact that shia yell out loud for Ali RA and hussain RA to help them kind of debunks your theory that i am exaggerating
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Once again propaganda, dogma and distraction. I think blowing yourself up in a Mosque is far worse than any crap you can come to me with.
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
'your type of muslim' what you mean educated and speaks according to quran and sunnah not according to whims and desires, unsubstantiated claims and contradictions to what evidence shows like the muslims you clearly affiliate with
authubillah man, if someone sits and shows you proof you should not be so close minded and arrogant. if you showed me proof that i would wrong i would not continue on misinformation
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
You don't speak 'according the the Qur'an'. You speak according to Hadiths(which came later) and THEN the Qur'an. Like I said, I know your type...
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
ok so you reject ahadith
that explains a lot
and no there are plenty of ayat in the quran that state the worshipping someone other than Allah or giving Humans the attributes of Allah is shirk Akbar
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Man you people are like robots or something. Why do you like to put words in people's mouths? I never said I rejected ahadith, I just said the Qur'an comes FIRST for me. Qur'an is perfect and was sent by Allah(SWT). Hadith was NOT.
INTELLIGENTAFRICAN 2 years ago
khalas this argument is not pleasing to Allah
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
People who speak "according to the Qur'an and Sunnah" do NOT and never will call a person a kaffir! So get your facts straight.
Lana226 2 years ago
this is incorrect. because the scholars of islam, scholars that we all agree are following quran and sunnah, call certain people kuffar.
it is a deep, complicated and very interesting subject of islam.
with all respect sister, i know you mean well but what you are saying is coming from your heart and is not backed up by evidence. and if you look through the books of islam you will find that they contradict waht you are saying
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
You know what I find rather strange GuiltyOfBeingMuslim? Is that you go on and on about people needing proof to back up their claims (in almost all of your comments), but in all of your comments addressed to myself and others here, you haven't provided ANY of your sources of information nor have you explained anything you have said. You just say "this is deep" or "this is complicated" without explaining why it is "deep" or "complicated".
Lana226 2 years ago
not really. i explain where i get my sources. and its usually people who demand proof from me.
anyway, abu hanifa said: "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."
maliki said: "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars."
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Hold up, we were talking about the Qur'an and Sunnah, when I posted the comment saying: 'People who speak "according to the Qur'an and Sunnah" do NOT and never will call a person a kaffir', right? So why did you respond giving me what Abu Hanifa, Maliki, and Razi say when they are not the Qur'an and Sunnah?
Lana226 2 years ago
because they are stict followers of quran and sunnah! they are the major authorities of how you and me live as a muslim today dating back to the time of the sahaba and tabi3een!!
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Maybe they are for you. But I live as a Muslim according to what God has said in the Qur'an and according to the Hadith. Read 6:159 of the Qur'an. True Muslims do not go into divisions.
By the way, why are you still talking about the Shi'a beliefs? I've told you plenty of times - I don't want to hear it. We were talking about them being called "Aisha". Not if what they believe is true or not true.
Lana226 2 years ago
well Allah said int he quran that those who join parters with him are disbelievers
i am not going into division. i am following quran and sunnah and others have divided.
i dont think you really know what you are talking about. i dont even think you know who the scholars i'm talking about are
you are just walking along your own path with little understanding.
there is nothing left in this conversaion because you are outside my field of discussion
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Lol - I know who those three scholars are. I've read a lot of their work and the work of others who have been greatly influenced by them/learnt a lot from.
Lana226 2 years ago
And for goodness sake, I KNOW that associating partners with God makes you a kaffir! It's shirk - the only unforgivable sin. I thought you said you don't judge people? Why are you saying I have little understanding, that I have my own, seperate agenda and don't know who those three scholars are? FYI - I know who those three men are and I am still learning (and I love learning too) but I know enough to live my life (which I don't think is "little" at all).
Lana226 2 years ago
we'll continue this convo later inshallah,
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
"yet yourself have no understanding of quran and sunnah, nor do you follow it even near completely.
you dont live according to what Allah said in the quran, because i dont think you really know everything that Allah said quran - or the hadith for that matter"
Thanks, that really made my day.
Lana226 2 years ago
"you are just walking along your own path with little understanding."
Are you trying to imply that I am not following Islam? Just because I don't agree with everything you say? How pathetic.
Lana226 2 years ago
you say first that people who follow quran and sunnah dont call anyone kaafir. when i show you that people who do indeed follow quran and sunnah do call certain people kaafir accoring to quran and sunnah, you reject it all together.
yet yourself have no understanding of quran and sunnah, nor do you follow it even near completely.
you dont live according to what Allah said in the quran, because i dont think you really know everything that Allah said quran - or the hadith for that matter
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
if i am going to go ahead through every ayah of quran and every hadith to prove my point i will be here for ever. the scholars of islam have already done that job, so i am showing you what they said.
i am not here to give a lesson. i'm here only to make simple points
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Well I'm off now, it's almost 1 am here and I have to be up in 6 hours time. I think this discussion should move to PMs.
Lana226 2 years ago
Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the sahaba, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the ProphetSAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the ProphetSAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the sahaba. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation."
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
i guess i know the evidence is out there so i put forward a convincing argument and expect people to do their own research... thats what i do anyway when things get put forward to me.
nothing is too deep or complicated
sometimes i dont know off hand the proofs, or it would take to long for me to include them
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
*Continued*
You have no right to. Only God Almighty knows what is in a persons heart and knows what they truly believe. Whereas you do not.
Lana226 2 years ago
you need to understand the conditions of la illaha il allah and then you will understand that first, there is nothing wrong with imam abdul wahab and he bought nothing new to the deen that the earlier scholars didnt mention, he merely compiled things.
second you will understand why the shia doctrine is considerred something that is outside of islam
eg. grave worship, asking humans for help that only Allah can give etc
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Right. Would you still appreciate Emma if you knew that she was a Shia Muslim? Not disrespecting Shiites, but just saying. She's a very staunch Shia Muslim.
KimDonesia 2 years ago
@KimDonesia how can she be a 'staunch shia' if her muslim name is Aicha
you're dumb, and that's funny
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago 9
It does not matter what a person's name is. It has no affect on their beliefs. Someone could be named "Faith" but could have very little faith.
Lana226 2 years ago
yes you are right, there are plenty of people called Mohamad (the praised one) and yet they are some of the worst people in society
but in regards to the name aicha - shia will never call themselves aicha, because they hate the beloved wife of the prophet, that is the point i was making, nothing more:)
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
If you are a Muslim, why do you slander others? I know ENOUGH Shi'a people who are named "Aisha" and I have never met someone who is Shi'a who hates Aisha (Abu Baker's daughter/Muhammed's SAW wife). I mean, why on earth would they? She was a Muslim, and they are Muslim. Believers do not hate one another.
Lana226 2 years ago
that is because you have not met real shia.
my mother is shia, she is like you explain. they dont know their doctrine entails.
i dont judge shia as a whole. and a true shia that understands what it means to be a shia, and insists on following this falsehood, is not a believer, because they worship other than Allah.
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
OMG! What is wrong with you? Shi'a believe in the Qur'an - so they DO believe in God. They say "God is Great" in their caller to prayer and they say the shahadah - which begins with "I bear witness there is no god but God!".
And why on earth are you claiming that their beliefs are false?! I was NOT talking about their beliefs which differ to yours - but simply about the name "Aisha".
Lana226 2 years ago
you said in a previous message that no one who follows quran and sunnah would call anyone a kaafir. i was addressing that and showing you that this is a false statement.
you're getting worked up and focusing on finer details that really dont matter
i agreed that maybe i shouldnt have said shia would never call their child aisha (if they didnt understand shiaim properly) but those who understand it simply dont call there child aisha
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
"you're getting worked up and focusing on finer details that really dont matter..."
It's because I really don't like seeing other Muslims argue with each other or say untrue and negative things about other Muslims. Like how you said they hate Aisha (Mohammed's SAW wife) and that they don't believe in God. Those things do matter to me - it's why Muslims are so weak today. Because of arrogance and not being united.
Lana226 2 years ago
i have done a lot of research on shia. i am not ignorant of this matter. thats not to say i dont have a lot to learn still.
i know that the general shia dont hate the wife of the prophet pbuh but that is due to not knowing what it really means to be shia. they dont read their own religious books by their scholars. they are just laymen.
with these people, i would never call them kaafir. if someone were to explain to them what it really means to be shia the would probably reject shiaism
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
i am not an arrogant person. i also hate arrogance.
and if i start to feel myself becoming arrogant or my heart becoming hard i try to correct myself. and if someone proves me wrong, i wont be stubborn on my falsehood
i agree that muslims should be united. but we cannot unite on falsehood, we can only unite on truth. and i dont accept the shia doctrine as part of islam, not because i said, but because the earliest scholars of islam said
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
i didnt say that they dont believe in Allah, i said they worship along side him other things like people. they give humans attributes taht only belong to Allah, like knowledge of the past and future. they also make dua to graves and call out for ali RA and hussain RA to help them, in situations where only Allah can help, and only He deserves to be asked
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Erm, you said: "because they worship other than Allah". There you said "other than" He, not "along side Him".
Lana226 2 years ago
sorry, i meant worship others alongside allah, that was my mistake
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
You don't make any sense. There's just no logic in that comment you just posted.
So, according to you, a "real Shi'a" is only
truly a Shi'a based on their name? How does that work?
Lana226 2 years ago
NNOooo i'm not sayinig who is and who is not a 'true' shia.
i'm just saying there is a difference between those who follow shiaism properly and those that dont
thats it
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
i agree with your arguement about names that maybe there are odd cases. i was talking generally and maybe i shouldnt have
i saw a shia called khaled - and shias hate him as well as far as i know
i also met a christian names khaled
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
regarding your comment that a person who follows quran and sunnah will never call someone a kaafir. the scholars is islam, hanafi shafi3i hanbali and maliki have made various statements saying that the shia doctrine is kufr, and following it knowing what it entails makes you a kafir.
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
STOP telling me that Shi'a are kuffar. I am talking to you about Shi'a being called "Aisha" and Shi'a (supposedly) hating Aisha.
Not ONCE did I say anything about their beliefs being true or not. So why in the world are you commenting to me about it? WHY are you trying to prove to me that they are kuffar when I am not saying they are or that they are not?
Lana226 2 years ago
sorry just read your comment on 'stop telling me shia are kuffaar'.
i already put some evidence forward so just excuse it if you are not interested in it
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
If your response to that is "so and so is Shi'a and they hated her" then you should know that it's not OK to judge someone based on the actions of others, for any reason. Any open-minded person knows that we are all very unique, and cannot be generalised.
Lana226 2 years ago
The name "Aisha" is a very popular name all around the world, not just amongst Muslims. It's an Arabic name meaning "living" (or "prosperous"). Not all people are named after a certain, well-known individual. They could be named by their parents because of the meaning or because they just liked the name.
I know someone called Mariam and she doesn't like this other girl who is called Mariam, but she doesn't go and change her name because of this.
Do you understand the point I am making?
Lana226 2 years ago
yes i do understand the point you are making, and you are right in this i guess on a general scale.
i said what i said based on true shia who know what they are following. like the shia in iraq or iran. they would never EVER call their daughter aicha no matter how nice it sounds or how nice the meanig is
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
So you have met every single Iraqi and Iranian Shi'a, and every single other Shi'a person? You can read their minds, know the reasons behind the decisions they make, know what they truly believe and know what is in their heart because?
About: "they would never EVER..."
- Care to explain why?
Lana226 2 years ago
i know what shia are!
i know what they believe, and i know if they are strong in there faith they would never do it. i dont have to meet every single iraqi shia to know that
and i have met a lot of iraqi shias btw
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
@KimDonesia, what right do you have to say anything on Shiite Muslims?. You Apostate...get lost.
isaidthisok 2 years ago
tsk tsk tsk...Thats exactly how they do :))
"she is shia or she is sunni"..lets throw fire in between them :))
u know what makes us glad :D
A hypocrite is out of Islam ;)
muslimah1977 2 years ago 3
why are u trying to create Fitna like the devil ???
u r exposed
NEOCONi999 2 years ago
shia islam is a corrupted version of islam and its like a repetition of trinitarian Christianity like caliph ali is supposed to be god's incarnate in other words he represents jesus the son in shia-ism but she wouldn't be a shia since it's like christanity again, more likely a sunni to get the idea of "god having a son" lost
southpark123secret 2 years ago
I am just sooooooooooo happy she is on the path of Islaam and not like that other Aussie girl Dimdonesia.
EternalDeen 2 years ago
Not if she opens her eyes to see what islam is really about
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
her name is aicha
what kind of a staunch shia would call herself aicha
lol
its like a deer walking into a hunting club
kimdonesia has lied on several occasions. she is a abed of shaytaan now so what more can we expect
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
Well all muslims lie, so whats your point ?
AtheistAtLARGE 2 years ago
so now lying is ok for athiests if you spew bullshit about islam
including this delution garbage coming from you
GuiltyOfBeingMuslim 2 years ago
kimdonesia lied alot after leaving islam, go read the comments she posted on her vid, she confessed that she was a munnafiqan in her muslim days! She's now become our new enemy .
southpark123secret 2 years ago
:D
AsalaamuAlaikumwaRahmatulahiwaBarakatu! Welcome to Islam! Congratulations! The Best Gift I can give to you is to tell you to not read any other Religious Book except The Quran for AT LEAST one full and complete reading, along with pondering over the Verses; satan has created sects in Islam, and you must protect your Islam from obvious and subtle attacks; First, see things from ALLAH's Point of View so that you'll be able to discard false information InshAllah.
SaboorahAmatuRahmaan 2 years ago 2
(2) Beware! Guard your Islam InshAllah! :D May Allah increase Guidance and Light for the nonMuslim families; May Allah increase His Blessings and Rewards for you Dear sister, and Bless you to occupy your GORGEOUS home in Jenna! I love you for the Good Pleasure of Allah, Your Big Sister in Islam
SaboorahAmatuRahmaan 2 years ago
I doubt you'd be nice to her if you knew Emma was a Shia Muslim, which she is. ;) Very strong Shia Muslim.
KimDonesia 2 years ago
Peace KimDonesia, No, I'd still be nice to her or any other Muslim, whose stance on Islam, would not be clear to me; If she reads the whole Quran systematically, InshAllah, she may decide to make other choices - Allah Knows Best.
SaboorahAmatuRahmaan 2 years ago
Sounds like, there is no other option for you than believing.
FHB71 2 years ago
Bless you,
[31:33]"O people, you shall reverence your Lord, and fear a day when a father cannot help his own child, nor can a child help his father. Certainly, GOD's promise is truth. Therefore, do not be distracted by this life; do not be distracted from GOD by mere illusions"
[2:21]"O people, worship only your Lord - the One who created you and those before you-that you may be saved"
[35:15] "O people, you are the ones who need GOD, while GOD is in no need for anyone, the Most Praiseworthy"
EBRAHIMISLAM 2 years ago
God bless you
ImNotBroken2009 2 years ago