the F-22 and EFT have only ever engaged each other in tests that remain a secret from both air forces. the USAF does not share the details because they want to keep the F-22s true potential as secret as possible, and dont you think that the RAF would have come out saying things like "YA WE WON" if they were actually successful against the F-22? because they WOULD HAVE! the fact that they DIDNT proves that the"success rates"against the F-22 are skewed at best. and the EFT costs over $100million.
BTW, I found that Eurofighter Typhoon has better instantenous turn rate, while F22 has better sustained turn rate - and EFT does not have thrust vectoring yet. When it does get it - and there are plans for it - it will be 3D vectoring, compared to Raptor's 2D nozzles.
And Eurofighter is probably overkill against 4th generation aircraft even now. It is 4.5th generation, mainly beacouse it yet has to get thrust vectoring and does not have full stealth.
@Picard578 most people acknowledge the f-22 as the best fighter in the world and even with other 5th generation fighters like pak fa come out the f-22's full performance is still unknown.again I have seen no real evidence that EF's radar is somehow more powerful or capable than f-22,f-15,or awacs for that matter.why do you think EF is trying to get AESA and meteor?it like the rafael will have to try to stay competetive against anything under 5th generation.that review has yet to be verified.
@renegadekav I don't care about what "most people" think. Most people do not even try to think, but rather take facts they "like". I'm naturally sceptical against anything that is commonly accepted - F22 may be better, but as I said, I doubt that it is god of sky they make it to be. As for radars, Eurofighter's nose cone is far larger than F-22's. Meaning that, with same generation radar, EFT has advantage beacouse it can mount larger radar. And why EF would not be trying to get AESA and Meteor?
@Picard578 well quick facts the governments seem to covet f-22 more then typhoon or anything else for that matter and the enemies are trying to figure it out and always reference it like the chinese and russians.it is not for sale or export and many things are kept hidden so either there is something important to be kept hidden or its a publicity stunt which is uncharacteristic of the US military.its a lot more expensive and most tech typhoon has was well known during its design phase.just a few
@renegadekav well, fighters that are for sale or export usually get lower tech than domestic-use versions (I heard that exported M1 Abrams gets homogenous steel armor, making it one of worst tanks in the world) so it does not tell much - I'd say that main reason F22 is not for export is its stealth technology (it certainly isn't thrust vectoring, it is quite easy to make). I have also read that they are thinking about doing exactly that - exporting downgraded F22 - but it isn't sure.
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"There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more ."
@Picard578 its been proven against E-3 sentry and E-2 radars they are much more powerful.its basically saying the typhoons radar is a whole new kind that can somehow see the f-22 50 miles away at least thats what one person said but I can't find the source or how its so credible,RAF pilots say its stealth and they can't put a weapons system on it seeminly everyone who comes into contact with on is on the same page so this random quote needs to be explained and they said they were "unstealthed"
@renegadekav and that claim also has to be proven. so you are basically saying that we need much more data on both - and I am inclined to agree. but if there is single fighter capable of detecting F-22 at useful range then it is Eurofighter - it has new radar (and I think they plan some upgrades (?)), and huge nose cone
@Picard578 what in your mind is proven?this is well known thats like saying we have to prove it can supercruise everyone says it can and there no reason to doubt it.what is useful range well into BVR?I know about its AESA upgrade that fact it didn't even have it is even more scetch.this just seems like tabloid rumor material.
@renegadekav what I know is that Eurofighter attained lock on F-22 at very long range, and that it has huge nose cone and probably best fighter-deployed radar in existence; and that, after EF beat F-22, Americans claimed F-22's were unstealthed, and cancelled BVR training engagement scheduled for next day - which probably means they were bullshitting about F-22's being "unstealthed". Plus single EFT trainer beat two F-15s in mock dogfight while on training excercise
@Picard578 plus, F-16, althought non-stealth, performed better than "stealthy" F-117 in Serbian war. Typhoon is less stealth than Raptor, but has better radar; to be equall to Typhoon's, Raptor's radar must be MORE ADVANCED, due to it's miniature nose. And Typhoon's radar is one of most advanced radars in existence. Also, while F-22 has 2D TV, EFT has smaller wing loading and lots of control surfaces; while Raptor MIGHT be more manouverable, I have found some quite conflicting info on it's...
@Picard578 ... capabilities in that regard. As for WVR fight, agility of F-22 was secondary at best; everything was sacrificed for stealth, and in typhoon's case agility was one of primary objectives. Also, both Raptor and Typhoon can supercruise at "full load", althought I'm not sure if in Raptor's case it means "full full load" or "full internal load". And I'm not quite sure if Typhoon's more capable radar can completely offset F-22's better stealth
@Picard578 actually you don't,thats the point.even if this rumor were true it says "surprisingly long range" not very long range.again this is not a widely known rumor and there is no proof your own airforce is buying f-35's and they are inferior to f-22.im sure the plane can turn fine making the plane turn won't save it from a missle when all the pilot has to do is turn his head.
@Picard578 the whole program yes but each fighter no.some countries have invested some in the program.I take it you can't convince me the eurofighter can somehow nullify stealth with conventional 4th generation technology?
@renegadekav entire problem with your assumption is that Eurofighter is NOT conventional 4th generation fighter - it is 4.5th generation fighter, that is 4th generation fighter with some 5th generation technology, and is light years ahead of any 4th generation fighter. Only reason why it isn't 5th generation fighter is lack of thrust vectoring (and that problem will be adressed) and lack of all-aspect stealth. But thing is that Raptor sacrificed too much for stealth.
@Picard578 other than numbers and cost I don't see where the raptor sacrificed anything.wether 4th or 5th generation we're still talking about radar or IR search and track vs all aspect stealth.i've also heard and i've looked into this that the typhoon didn't lock onto the raptor at all but realized it was being painted.neither of us even know the full story there isn't details raptors don't use they're full potential much since it is in many respects still has classified tech.need more info.
@Picard578 dude here we go again even if that were true and I can't find anything to authenticate it we are back to what range is "surprisingly long"?if you expected to get a lock on at 10 miles and get one at 15 thats surpisingling longer range.this changes nothing and there are no details it smacks of wild rumor which happen all the time.why would the RAF and everyone else lie and say the raptors stealth work if it doesn't?there are no details about the exercise or senario its just vague.
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@renegadekav stealth always work. it reduces RCS of plane, meaning that if all other parameters (especially radar) are same, plane with smaller RCS is at advantage. And that "surprisingli long range" is direct quote; I wasn't able to find at what range exactly.
@Picard578 2stealth should never be relided, on it is a bonus not a constant" somthing drilled into me in a little orginisation called the R.A.F so no stealth does not always work
@SirStokie it is a bonus; however, I never said that stealth plane cannot be detected. BUT, a stealth plane will always be detected at much shorter range than non-stealth plane of same size.
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@renegadekav probably below standard combat range. EFT has stealth from frontal aspect, and better radar (especially thanks to its more spacious nose), while F22 has all-aspect stealth and better frontal stealth but worse radar.
@Picard578 how would you or just about any civilian know?is your dad in charge of the typhoon project or something?nobody even know the full capabilities of either radar.
@Picard578 look at it this way even if this thing with whatever radar it has can detect f-22 at 50 miles thats still well below what it can be detected at,and below the potential of its missiles.
@renegadekav F22 has better stealth, Eurofighter has better radar. Question is whether EF's radar is good enough to offset for F22's stealth. Some things I have read suggest it is, some that it isn't. Raptor might be better than Typhoon one-on-one, or might not, but I really doubt it is as superior as many say it is.
@Picard578 well I don't see what that has to do with it most want at least some tech transfer in these deals.we won't know much more for probably a few more years or so there is no reason to leak the info and f-22 doesn't have a serious competitor operational yet.there really can't be a serious comparison for sometime but without some serious proof or a very educated case I honestly don't see how anything comes even really close to f-22,f-35 will be second best and many will have it why give it?
Poor Zeptocomp, are you so fond of the Euro-Fighter that you must make everyone see your opinion. You state that raptors crash, but what about the mishaps with your beloved Typhoon? Give some facts free from your bias
Crashing many years ago whilst still under development is very different to crashing only last year. This is why the F22 was canx - due to major tech issues. F22 will be used for intel gathering/stealth missions and not combat my friend. You will have to restart the program to get all the isues fixed.
@29Gixxer Did you read the accident report? Seeing as you provided no further details the answer is most likely no. The accident was in no part related to the aircarft but to the pilot blacking out during high Gs. As to the program restarts, the B-2 spirit had its fair share of problems during its development as well and yet it is one of the most advanced aircraft there are.
Yep...I head this was the cause but there are other issues. The intel IMX micro processor is 25 mhz, 32 bit and went out of production in 1997. The US will use newer block F16 micro processors as a replacement.
Mark these words....
'F22 will be used for intel gathering and stealth missions...not air superiority'
Your developing the Silent Eagle as a quick replacement until AI UAV tales over..
This is something we will have to wait and see...it's not my fantasy tho...it is my prediction. UK is already building AI controlled Stealth UAV's (alongside USA) and the intention is for them to replace fighter jets in the future. USAF ain't goona reopen the F22 project and thow more money at it when they know what's around the corner....contin
We take a different approach to stealth...we went for high tech missiles which are large so go on the outside of the jet. We use active cancellation as a way to hide the aircraft. You cannot fit METEOR into the internal bays of F22/F35 and we will ignore the F35's stealth and use the METEOR on the outside.
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@verko9 The Typhoon beauty is subjective as is its performance depending on the pilot. I personally find EF2000 design extremly beautiful. Same holds for F22. So yes a EF2000 can beat a F22 but it does not mean its the rule. The only thing to remember here is that F22 air superiority is questionable. Deal with it.
"The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were unstealthed anyway..."
That sounds suspiciously similar to the US Navy's excuses for it's Nuclear Subs being consistently defeated in wargames by the Diesel Subs of Australia's Navy --- and Chile, and Israel, and the Netherlands, and the UK.
...and they were SO amazed when a Chinese Diesel Sub surfaced in the middle of the Kittyhawk Battlegroup; after approaching undetected, and before ESCAPING without a trace...
i know its not perfect but its better than anything designed by committee.
its a purpose built air superiority fighter, stealth stops SAMs and long range detection, and a tighter turning radius and better maneuverability from something called advanced thrust vectoring, and let me ask a question, how many times was the raptor able to get a lock on the eurofighter for every one that was achieved on the raptor?
bs video. F22 is the king of the skies and you all know it. I dont see any facts in this video... just a bunch of good for nothing opinions. Compare speed, weapon systems, weapon load, weapon range...but you are too much of a coward to do any of that.
Over-engineered arrogance - the German King Tiger tanks of WW2 were exactly the same - great on short ops but when the shit hit the fan against USSR, the more numerous and durable T-34 eventually won out, beacuse the Germans couldn't make new tanks and spare parts fast enough. This is what this is all about. War. In the event of some terrible new conflict , we have yet to see the real test of any plane proudly shown off at airshows - so unless we are insane enough , I guess we'll never know
The f-22 was in my opinion obsolite be4 it even was on the productionline, has nothing but problems. But the US has put to much money and prestige in this plane to afford it to fail. (sry 4 my bad english)
F-22 is limited buut. It's supposed to be an Air superiority fighter. You realize, without weapon failures and such. You get a 60% kill rate with BVR missiles. F-22 has been able to outmanuver any current USAF and Russian Jets.
So the smart thing to do is go and display your best technology to someone else who has less technology and might want to take your technology? You are not in the military obviously.
Washington Post, July 10, 2009 - The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.
An F-22A Raptor crashed about 10 a.m. Mar 25, 2009 killing a test pilot for prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp.
David Cooley, 49, a 21-year Air Force veteran who joined Lockheed Martin in 2003 died. The company did not release any details of the accident or say whether or not Cooley attempted to eject.
Watch my movie about the F-22 - a high flying Enron
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the F-22 and EFT have only ever engaged each other in tests that remain a secret from both air forces. the USAF does not share the details because they want to keep the F-22s true potential as secret as possible, and dont you think that the RAF would have come out saying things like "YA WE WON" if they were actually successful against the F-22? because they WOULD HAVE! the fact that they DIDNT proves that the"success rates"against the F-22 are skewed at best. and the EFT costs over $100million.
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
What the F-22 maily lacks is numbers. 187 is not enough.
Irelandor 5 months ago
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BTW, I found that Eurofighter Typhoon has better instantenous turn rate, while F22 has better sustained turn rate - and EFT does not have thrust vectoring yet. When it does get it - and there are plans for it - it will be 3D vectoring, compared to Raptor's 2D nozzles.
Picard578 7 months ago
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And Eurofighter is probably overkill against 4th generation aircraft even now. It is 4.5th generation, mainly beacouse it yet has to get thrust vectoring and does not have full stealth.
Picard578 7 months ago
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PS Crap, it doesn't allow me to post any links...
Picard578 7 months ago
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BTW, Typhoon is scheduled to get 3D thrust vectoring, better radar, etc.
Picard578 7 months ago
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"internatinal AIR POWER REVIEW" - year 2006, issue 20, page 45
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 most people acknowledge the f-22 as the best fighter in the world and even with other 5th generation fighters like pak fa come out the f-22's full performance is still unknown.again I have seen no real evidence that EF's radar is somehow more powerful or capable than f-22,f-15,or awacs for that matter.why do you think EF is trying to get AESA and meteor?it like the rafael will have to try to stay competetive against anything under 5th generation.that review has yet to be verified.
renegadekav 7 months ago
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@renegadekav I don't care about what "most people" think. Most people do not even try to think, but rather take facts they "like". I'm naturally sceptical against anything that is commonly accepted - F22 may be better, but as I said, I doubt that it is god of sky they make it to be. As for radars, Eurofighter's nose cone is far larger than F-22's. Meaning that, with same generation radar, EFT has advantage beacouse it can mount larger radar. And why EF would not be trying to get AESA and Meteor?
Picard578 7 months ago
@Picard578 well quick facts the governments seem to covet f-22 more then typhoon or anything else for that matter and the enemies are trying to figure it out and always reference it like the chinese and russians.it is not for sale or export and many things are kept hidden so either there is something important to be kept hidden or its a publicity stunt which is uncharacteristic of the US military.its a lot more expensive and most tech typhoon has was well known during its design phase.just a few
renegadekav 7 months ago
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@renegadekav well, fighters that are for sale or export usually get lower tech than domestic-use versions (I heard that exported M1 Abrams gets homogenous steel armor, making it one of worst tanks in the world) so it does not tell much - I'd say that main reason F22 is not for export is its stealth technology (it certainly isn't thrust vectoring, it is quite easy to make). I have also read that they are thinking about doing exactly that - exporting downgraded F22 - but it isn't sure.
Picard578 7 months ago
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"There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more ."
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 I have read it numerous times but thats changes nothing.don't even know if its legit and no details.
NiceHeistFilms 9 months ago
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LOL the eurofighter owns! Stuff u USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gluedoo 9 months ago
for all we know it detected the f-22 at one mile the devil is in the details the f-22's stealth is proven thats not up for debate.
renegadekav 10 months ago
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@renegadekav proven, but against what? Eurofighter Typhoon's radar is top of the notch
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 its been proven against E-3 sentry and E-2 radars they are much more powerful.its basically saying the typhoons radar is a whole new kind that can somehow see the f-22 50 miles away at least thats what one person said but I can't find the source or how its so credible,RAF pilots say its stealth and they can't put a weapons system on it seeminly everyone who comes into contact with on is on the same page so this random quote needs to be explained and they said they were "unstealthed"
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav and that claim also has to be proven. so you are basically saying that we need much more data on both - and I am inclined to agree. but if there is single fighter capable of detecting F-22 at useful range then it is Eurofighter - it has new radar (and I think they plan some upgrades (?)), and huge nose cone
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 what in your mind is proven?this is well known thats like saying we have to prove it can supercruise everyone says it can and there no reason to doubt it.what is useful range well into BVR?I know about its AESA upgrade that fact it didn't even have it is even more scetch.this just seems like tabloid rumor material.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav what I know is that Eurofighter attained lock on F-22 at very long range, and that it has huge nose cone and probably best fighter-deployed radar in existence; and that, after EF beat F-22, Americans claimed F-22's were unstealthed, and cancelled BVR training engagement scheduled for next day - which probably means they were bullshitting about F-22's being "unstealthed". Plus single EFT trainer beat two F-15s in mock dogfight while on training excercise
Picard578 9 months ago
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@Picard578 plus, F-16, althought non-stealth, performed better than "stealthy" F-117 in Serbian war. Typhoon is less stealth than Raptor, but has better radar; to be equall to Typhoon's, Raptor's radar must be MORE ADVANCED, due to it's miniature nose. And Typhoon's radar is one of most advanced radars in existence. Also, while F-22 has 2D TV, EFT has smaller wing loading and lots of control surfaces; while Raptor MIGHT be more manouverable, I have found some quite conflicting info on it's...
Picard578 9 months ago
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@Picard578 ... capabilities in that regard. As for WVR fight, agility of F-22 was secondary at best; everything was sacrificed for stealth, and in typhoon's case agility was one of primary objectives. Also, both Raptor and Typhoon can supercruise at "full load", althought I'm not sure if in Raptor's case it means "full full load" or "full internal load". And I'm not quite sure if Typhoon's more capable radar can completely offset F-22's better stealth
Picard578 9 months ago
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@Picard578 additionally, F-22 has similar wing loading to F-15, which severely limits its performance
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 actually you don't,thats the point.even if this rumor were true it says "surprisingly long range" not very long range.again this is not a widely known rumor and there is no proof your own airforce is buying f-35's and they are inferior to f-22.im sure the plane can turn fine making the plane turn won't save it from a missle when all the pilot has to do is turn his head.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav my own airforce? do you know which country I am from?
Picard578 9 months ago
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@renegadekav and anyone buying F-35 is idiot... by the time development is finished F-35 will be more expensive than Raptor, maybe several times so
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 the whole program yes but each fighter no.some countries have invested some in the program.I take it you can't convince me the eurofighter can somehow nullify stealth with conventional 4th generation technology?
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav entire problem with your assumption is that Eurofighter is NOT conventional 4th generation fighter - it is 4.5th generation fighter, that is 4th generation fighter with some 5th generation technology, and is light years ahead of any 4th generation fighter. Only reason why it isn't 5th generation fighter is lack of thrust vectoring (and that problem will be adressed) and lack of all-aspect stealth. But thing is that Raptor sacrificed too much for stealth.
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 other than numbers and cost I don't see where the raptor sacrificed anything.wether 4th or 5th generation we're still talking about radar or IR search and track vs all aspect stealth.i've also heard and i've looked into this that the typhoon didn't lock onto the raptor at all but realized it was being painted.neither of us even know the full story there isn't details raptors don't use they're full potential much since it is in many respects still has classified tech.need more info.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav I think that typhoon might even be more manouverable, especially when it gets thrust vectoring. and quote I found was this:
"Typhoon did cause a surprise by >>getting a radar lock at Raptor at surprisingly long range.<<" So, Typhoon painted Raptor and saw it.
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 dude here we go again even if that were true and I can't find anything to authenticate it we are back to what range is "surprisingly long"?if you expected to get a lock on at 10 miles and get one at 15 thats surpisingling longer range.this changes nothing and there are no details it smacks of wild rumor which happen all the time.why would the RAF and everyone else lie and say the raptors stealth work if it doesn't?there are no details about the exercise or senario its just vague.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav stealth always work. it reduces RCS of plane, meaning that if all other parameters (especially radar) are same, plane with smaller RCS is at advantage. And that "surprisingli long range" is direct quote; I wasn't able to find at what range exactly.
Picard578 9 months ago
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@Picard578 2stealth should never be relided, on it is a bonus not a constant" somthing drilled into me in a little orginisation called the R.A.F so no stealth does not always work
SirStokie 7 months ago
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@SirStokie it is a bonus; however, I never said that stealth plane cannot be detected. BUT, a stealth plane will always be detected at much shorter range than non-stealth plane of same size.
Picard578 7 months ago
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@renegadekav probably below standard combat range. EFT has stealth from frontal aspect, and better radar (especially thanks to its more spacious nose), while F22 has all-aspect stealth and better frontal stealth but worse radar.
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 the apg-77 is more powerful and more advanced I don't know what your talking about typhoons don't even have aesa yet.
NiceHeistFilms 9 months ago
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@NiceHeistFilms maybe it's that my information is out of date, but if they got AESA, then they have better radar than F-22 now
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 how would you or just about any civilian know?is your dad in charge of the typhoon project or something?nobody even know the full capabilities of either radar.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav European and US radar systems are, to my knowledge, mostly equally capable, and EFT has larger nose cone
Picard578 9 months ago
@Picard578 look at it this way even if this thing with whatever radar it has can detect f-22 at 50 miles thats still well below what it can be detected at,and below the potential of its missiles.
renegadekav 9 months ago
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@renegadekav F22 has better stealth, Eurofighter has better radar. Question is whether EF's radar is good enough to offset for F22's stealth. Some things I have read suggest it is, some that it isn't. Raptor might be better than Typhoon one-on-one, or might not, but I really doubt it is as superior as many say it is.
Picard578 7 months ago
@Picard578 well I don't see what that has to do with it most want at least some tech transfer in these deals.we won't know much more for probably a few more years or so there is no reason to leak the info and f-22 doesn't have a serious competitor operational yet.there really can't be a serious comparison for sometime but without some serious proof or a very educated case I honestly don't see how anything comes even really close to f-22,f-35 will be second best and many will have it why give it?
renegadekav 7 months ago
i'm just glad we're on the same team.
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
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22 people were beat by ef 2000
molemole117117 1 year ago
So much fanboyism is laughable. Get real, folks
niksarass 1 year ago
Poor Zeptocomp, are you so fond of the Euro-Fighter that you must make everyone see your opinion. You state that raptors crash, but what about the mishaps with your beloved Typhoon? Give some facts free from your bias
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
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Crashing many years ago whilst still under development is very different to crashing only last year. This is why the F22 was canx - due to major tech issues. F22 will be used for intel gathering/stealth missions and not combat my friend. You will have to restart the program to get all the isues fixed.
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer Did you read the accident report? Seeing as you provided no further details the answer is most likely no. The accident was in no part related to the aircarft but to the pilot blacking out during high Gs. As to the program restarts, the B-2 spirit had its fair share of problems during its development as well and yet it is one of the most advanced aircraft there are.
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
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Yep...I head this was the cause but there are other issues. The intel IMX micro processor is 25 mhz, 32 bit and went out of production in 1997. The US will use newer block F16 micro processors as a replacement.
Mark these words....
'F22 will be used for intel gathering and stealth missions...not air superiority'
Your developing the Silent Eagle as a quick replacement until AI UAV tales over..
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer consider your words marked, and completely discarded as pure fanatsy. The silent eagle is for export market primarily
MadMilitiaMen 1 year ago
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@MadMilitiaMen
This is something we will have to wait and see...it's not my fantasy tho...it is my prediction. UK is already building AI controlled Stealth UAV's (alongside USA) and the intention is for them to replace fighter jets in the future. USAF ain't goona reopen the F22 project and thow more money at it when they know what's around the corner....contin
29Gixxer 1 year ago
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@MadMilitiaMen
We take a different approach to stealth...we went for high tech missiles which are large so go on the outside of the jet. We use active cancellation as a way to hide the aircraft. You cannot fit METEOR into the internal bays of F22/F35 and we will ignore the F35's stealth and use the METEOR on the outside.
Different philosophy.
29Gixxer 1 year ago
Terrific! But you'll never get an American to agree.
BrianMRiches 1 year ago
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eurofighter typhoon is mio better
Laabbbeee 1 year ago
I dont know which plane is better but i can say the typhoon is ugly as hell
verko9 1 year ago
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@verko9 The Typhoon beauty is subjective as is its performance depending on the pilot. I personally find EF2000 design extremly beautiful. Same holds for F22. So yes a EF2000 can beat a F22 but it does not mean its the rule. The only thing to remember here is that F22 air superiority is questionable. Deal with it.
SexyTerrorisT 1 year ago
"The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were unstealthed anyway..."
That sounds suspiciously similar to the US Navy's excuses for it's Nuclear Subs being consistently defeated in wargames by the Diesel Subs of Australia's Navy --- and Chile, and Israel, and the Netherlands, and the UK.
...and they were SO amazed when a Chinese Diesel Sub surfaced in the middle of the Kittyhawk Battlegroup; after approaching undetected, and before ESCAPING without a trace...
Different services, same excuses.
BlacktailDefense 2 years ago
thats funny,
i know its not perfect but its better than anything designed by committee.
its a purpose built air superiority fighter, stealth stops SAMs and long range detection, and a tighter turning radius and better maneuverability from something called advanced thrust vectoring, and let me ask a question, how many times was the raptor able to get a lock on the eurofighter for every one that was achieved on the raptor?
bibblles 2 years ago
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That's it after all...European Technology owns The American one
Kommandant10 2 years ago
bs video. F22 is the king of the skies and you all know it. I dont see any facts in this video... just a bunch of good for nothing opinions. Compare speed, weapon systems, weapon load, weapon range...but you are too much of a coward to do any of that.
afsane888 2 years ago
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Hey..... if we want american propoganda we'll go search for it.
F22 got pwned, just accept it & stop behaving like an arrogant ignorant illiterate itinerate typical american :-)
vodkasvictim 2 years ago
Over-engineered arrogance - the German King Tiger tanks of WW2 were exactly the same - great on short ops but when the shit hit the fan against USSR, the more numerous and durable T-34 eventually won out, beacuse the Germans couldn't make new tanks and spare parts fast enough. This is what this is all about. War. In the event of some terrible new conflict , we have yet to see the real test of any plane proudly shown off at airshows - so unless we are insane enough , I guess we'll never know
FunkinetiK73 2 years ago
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The f-22 was in my opinion obsolite be4 it even was on the productionline, has nothing but problems. But the US has put to much money and prestige in this plane to afford it to fail. (sry 4 my bad english)
foxinterspecial 2 years ago
F-22 is limited buut. It's supposed to be an Air superiority fighter. You realize, without weapon failures and such. You get a 60% kill rate with BVR missiles. F-22 has been able to outmanuver any current USAF and Russian Jets.
cablebeach1 2 years ago
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It has? When? It's never been tested against foreign jets... because the usaf, who know F22 best, know that it will LOSE.
That's why they didn't accept Sukhois mock dogfight challenge.
That's right, america talks the talk, but fails to walk the walk BECAUSE YOU'RE THE COWARDS.
vodkasvictim 2 years ago
So the smart thing to do is go and display your best technology to someone else who has less technology and might want to take your technology? You are not in the military obviously.
KARASAWA40 1 year ago
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@KARASAWA40
The smart thing to do is to test your air force so that they're combat ready; that's what air forces do.
I'm not in the military. If you are, then go back to polishing your rifle.... Grunt
:-P
Lol, jus' teasin, I regard the soldier on the ground as essential in modern conflicts.
vodkasvictim 1 year ago
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Washington Post, July 10, 2009 - The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.
Zeptocomp 2 years ago
interesting
Hamsedaa 2 years ago
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An F-22A Raptor crashed about 10 a.m. Mar 25, 2009 killing a test pilot for prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp.
David Cooley, 49, a 21-year Air Force veteran who joined Lockheed Martin in 2003 died. The company did not release any details of the accident or say whether or not Cooley attempted to eject.
Watch my movie about the F-22 - a high flying Enron
Zeptocomp 2 years ago