Angela Merkel and her CDUgovernment, the Obama Administration and all subsequent administrations of Germany and the US must accept fully responsibility for the grossly negligent and criminal actions of its Banking Sectors or face at best endless repetitions of the events of the last five years.and conspiracy against Greece,BY Goldman Sachs criminals. There is a sinister mastermind that planned and orchestrated the economic chaos in Greece, . WE KNOW WHO IT IS! BUT THIS IS GREECE,AND NEVER DIES!
KEEP GREECE ALIVE? Greece does not need YOU barbarians to stay alive! Greece would be better of, having YOU out of her Europe!....Give her back her civilization,her language,and just go to hell in your caves where you were a few years ago!..YOU PUT GREECE IN THAT SITUATION YOU TAKE HER OUT OF IT! "YOU owe a debt to Greece, which IS the birthplace of Europe. YOU owe everything to Greece! HER cultural assets have been stolen by some of EUROPE'S, THIEVES.YOU OWE EVERYTHING TO THE SACRED LAND!
Now, Greece would surely want to be part of the EU and the Euro zone, it feels European, it is the historical base of the European continent and it loves the other modern nations of Europe. However, it won't succeed if those ones will continue to show towards it like towards the black sheep of the family, as if everything worse that happens is because of itself. Europe and Greece together!
"Greece hasn't succeed on its own merits since antiquity ..." Hmmm. At least the ancient Greeks never colonized to kill or enslave the people they met, but they brought their thinking and achievements to those ones, exchanged knowledge and goods with them and then built a greater culture and society for all. The Greeks never enslaved people. Others have done it, even in the modern times, but they forget now how much they have gained from what was not of their own, without giving anything back.
Um... what are you smoking? The Greeks enslaved, just like everyone else. Their very idea of citizenship was to separate freeman from slave. The vast majority of the Spartan population was slaves.
Not to mention, wtf does slavery have to do w anything.
@abeschreier I'm not smoking anything, not that I should prove it to you. And who told you that I must be a Greek or a 100% Greek, born in Greece and living there? You know, there are a plenty of people out there, many not Greeks at all, but enough philhellenes to keep up their love for Greece, with all the last years negative campaign about it. I didn't imply that Greeks didn't enslave at all, it's just that they gave those whom they colonized something from their achievements.
@abeschreier If someone would compare the goal the Greeks had when they established colonies all over the known ancient world with what was the goal, for instance, of the Ottomans, when they enslaved other people, it will find a huge difference. Alexander the Great, yes, faught and killed, if he found opposition, but afterwards he gave the people that became his subjects a great culture to benefit from. What has slavery to do with anything? Isn't there a try of a financial slavery?
Greece, alone ... Hmmm. Are all the other countries of the world, which are not part of the Euro zone or the EU, alone? Who says that for being a developed or great country in the essential aspects you need to be a member of these, especially if they act like they don't want you inside, by imposing their sometimes absurd policies? If Greece would have refused the entrance into the Euro zone from the start, as the UK did, how much of this whole scenery of defaming Greece would we assist today?
ΒΡΕ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣ ΞΕΒΡΑΚΩΤΟΙ, ΣΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΧΡΩΣΤΑΤΕ ΜΕΧΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ ΠΟΥ ΜΙΛΑΤΕ..ΣΑΣ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΧΡΥΣΟΠΛΗΡΩΣΕΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΟΠΛΑ ΠΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΠΑΣΑΡΑΤΕ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΤΑΤΕΥΤΟΥΜΕ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΤΟΥΡΚΑΛΑΔΕΣ ΦΙΛΟΥΣ ΣΑΣ ΠΟΣΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΤΩΡΑ...ΑΠΟ ΕΜΑΣ ΤΡΩΤΕ ΡΕ ΠΙΘΗΚΟΕΙΔΗ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΜΟΡΦΑ.ΠΟΥ ΑΚΟΥΣΤΗΚΕ ΝΑ ΜΗΝ ΥΠΕΡΑΣΠΙΖΕΣΤΕ ΤΑ ΣΥΝΟΡΑ ΤΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΔΙΚΟ ΣΑΣ ΣΤΡΑΤΟ ΑΛΛΑ ΝΑ ΒΑΖΕΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΜΠΑΜΠΟΥΛΑ ΤΗΝ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ ΝΑ ΑΠΕΙΛΕΙ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΟΥΛΑΤΕ ΟΠΛΑ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣΣΣ!ΤΑ ΠΕΤΡΕΛΑΙΑ ΟΥΤΕ ΤΟ ΦΥΣΙΚΟ ΑΕΡΙΟ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣ ΔΕ ΘΑ ΤΑ ΠΑΡΕΤΕ ΤΖΑΜΠΑ ΑΜΟΡΦΩΤΟΙ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΙ !!
Not much talk about public exposure here. For this and other more political reasons, I think the possibility you describe will be used as a bargaining position but never actually enacted.
George Friedman himself was in the Ukraine talking about how the Ukraine would lose the advantage of its low currency, lose its export ability, and become a net importer if it joined the EU and had to compete in rules and regs devised by the Germans. In other words, they would lose their ability to grow as an economy when competing in a union against a massive industrial powers like Germany or France. Yet, somehow is completely left out of the analysis regarding Greece.
I'm not surprised. It always seemed to me, that the only natural resource they have is marble (rocks), and the only economic advantage of a maritime industry being centrally located is
meaningless these days. I can't see how this could be avoided, but I'm quite fearful for just
how wretched this will be for those people. This could get ugly.
Greece has been kept propped up by the EU because they like the vacation spots and value the history. Else they would have let it fall into the gutter like the rest of the Eastern European countries.
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erdal0 4 weeks ago
@erdal0 yunanistan'ın iflası sana bişey kazandırmaz. çocuk oyunu değil bu, "oh oh canıma değsin" modu salaklık sadece
utkusarioglu 3 weeks ago
Angela Merkel and her CDUgovernment, the Obama Administration and all subsequent administrations of Germany and the US must accept fully responsibility for the grossly negligent and criminal actions of its Banking Sectors or face at best endless repetitions of the events of the last five years.and conspiracy against Greece,BY Goldman Sachs criminals. There is a sinister mastermind that planned and orchestrated the economic chaos in Greece, . WE KNOW WHO IT IS! BUT THIS IS GREECE,AND NEVER DIES!
nixter888 1 month ago
KEEP GREECE ALIVE? Greece does not need YOU barbarians to stay alive! Greece would be better of, having YOU out of her Europe!....Give her back her civilization,her language,and just go to hell in your caves where you were a few years ago!..YOU PUT GREECE IN THAT SITUATION YOU TAKE HER OUT OF IT! "YOU owe a debt to Greece, which IS the birthplace of Europe. YOU owe everything to Greece! HER cultural assets have been stolen by some of EUROPE'S, THIEVES.YOU OWE EVERYTHING TO THE SACRED LAND!
nixter888 1 month ago
Now, Greece would surely want to be part of the EU and the Euro zone, it feels European, it is the historical base of the European continent and it loves the other modern nations of Europe. However, it won't succeed if those ones will continue to show towards it like towards the black sheep of the family, as if everything worse that happens is because of itself. Europe and Greece together!
Cryptomyself 1 month ago
"Greece hasn't succeed on its own merits since antiquity ..." Hmmm. At least the ancient Greeks never colonized to kill or enslave the people they met, but they brought their thinking and achievements to those ones, exchanged knowledge and goods with them and then built a greater culture and society for all. The Greeks never enslaved people. Others have done it, even in the modern times, but they forget now how much they have gained from what was not of their own, without giving anything back.
Cryptomyself 1 month ago
@Cryptomyself
Um... what are you smoking? The Greeks enslaved, just like everyone else. Their very idea of citizenship was to separate freeman from slave. The vast majority of the Spartan population was slaves.
Not to mention, wtf does slavery have to do w anything.
abeschreier 1 month ago
@abeschreier I'm not smoking anything, not that I should prove it to you. And who told you that I must be a Greek or a 100% Greek, born in Greece and living there? You know, there are a plenty of people out there, many not Greeks at all, but enough philhellenes to keep up their love for Greece, with all the last years negative campaign about it. I didn't imply that Greeks didn't enslave at all, it's just that they gave those whom they colonized something from their achievements.
Cryptomyself 1 month ago
@abeschreier If someone would compare the goal the Greeks had when they established colonies all over the known ancient world with what was the goal, for instance, of the Ottomans, when they enslaved other people, it will find a huge difference. Alexander the Great, yes, faught and killed, if he found opposition, but afterwards he gave the people that became his subjects a great culture to benefit from. What has slavery to do with anything? Isn't there a try of a financial slavery?
Cryptomyself 1 month ago
Greece, alone ... Hmmm. Are all the other countries of the world, which are not part of the Euro zone or the EU, alone? Who says that for being a developed or great country in the essential aspects you need to be a member of these, especially if they act like they don't want you inside, by imposing their sometimes absurd policies? If Greece would have refused the entrance into the Euro zone from the start, as the UK did, how much of this whole scenery of defaming Greece would we assist today?
Cryptomyself 1 month ago
Greece needs to stock up on Ron Paul's, "Liberty Defined".
PMEWhite 1 month ago
παρτε τα πελε μας....
bibigibson 1 month ago
bad reader
cunnidvd 1 month ago
The German model, will it include bribery at the scale of Siemens, etc?
They bribed the world and now they want to "punish" those they bribed. Gotta to love the Germans and their lackeys.
Nikitas
nikitasone 1 month ago
ΒΡΕ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣ ΞΕΒΡΑΚΩΤΟΙ, ΣΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΧΡΩΣΤΑΤΕ ΜΕΧΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΝ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ ΠΟΥ ΜΙΛΑΤΕ..ΣΑΣ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΧΡΥΣΟΠΛΗΡΩΣΕΙ ΜΕ ΤΑ ΟΠΛΑ ΠΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΠΑΣΑΡΑΤΕ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΤΑΤΕΥΤΟΥΜΕ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΤΟΥΡΚΑΛΑΔΕΣ ΦΙΛΟΥΣ ΣΑΣ ΠΟΣΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΤΩΡΑ...ΑΠΟ ΕΜΑΣ ΤΡΩΤΕ ΡΕ ΠΙΘΗΚΟΕΙΔΗ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΜΟΡΦΑ.ΠΟΥ ΑΚΟΥΣΤΗΚΕ ΝΑ ΜΗΝ ΥΠΕΡΑΣΠΙΖΕΣΤΕ ΤΑ ΣΥΝΟΡΑ ΤΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΔΙΚΟ ΣΑΣ ΣΤΡΑΤΟ ΑΛΛΑ ΝΑ ΒΑΖΕΤΕ ΤΟΝ ΜΠΑΜΠΟΥΛΑ ΤΗΝ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑ ΝΑ ΑΠΕΙΛΕΙ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΠΟΥΛΑΤΕ ΟΠΛΑ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣΣΣ!ΤΑ ΠΕΤΡΕΛΑΙΑ ΟΥΤΕ ΤΟ ΦΥΣΙΚΟ ΑΕΡΙΟ ΚΑΡΙΟΛΕΣ ΔΕ ΘΑ ΤΑ ΠΑΡΕΤΕ ΤΖΑΜΠΑ ΑΜΟΡΦΩΤΟΙ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΙ !!
tzonaras77 1 month ago
Pay your debts Greece
spencersald 1 month ago
@spencersald they can't.. that's the problem
utkusarioglu 1 month ago in playlist interviews & lectures
@spencersald
You should pay your debts first to Greece.
Georgios763 1 month ago
Very well said , next time do it first thing in the AM , That 5 o'clock Shadow Looks Terrible
TheMindfull1 1 month ago
Not much talk about public exposure here. For this and other more political reasons, I think the possibility you describe will be used as a bargaining position but never actually enacted.
U5K0 1 month ago
Wow this is really a slap in the face to the Greeks.
chairde 1 month ago
Turkey is going to eat some Greece in future.
BcallingDB 1 month ago
@BcallingDB ΧΑΧΑΧΑ IN YOUR DREAMS.......IN 5 YEARS FROM NOW TURKEY WILL BURN IN HELLLL
tzonaras77 1 month ago
@tzonaras77 The only thing that will be burning will be a Greece fire and my fried Turkey will be charred! ARGH!!!!!
BcallingDB 1 month ago
Greek ministry of finance can decide nothing. He is just a speaker.
mphet26 1 month ago
Seems likely
MegaFriedbeans 1 month ago
George Friedman himself was in the Ukraine talking about how the Ukraine would lose the advantage of its low currency, lose its export ability, and become a net importer if it joined the EU and had to compete in rules and regs devised by the Germans. In other words, they would lose their ability to grow as an economy when competing in a union against a massive industrial powers like Germany or France. Yet, somehow is completely left out of the analysis regarding Greece.
stama9 1 month ago 4
@stama9
good point
StraussBR 1 month ago
'Greece hasn't succeeded on its own merits since antiquity'
Ouch! cold lol...
MercenaryBlackWaterz 1 month ago in playlist Stratfor - 5 Most Recent on Europe 13
@MercenaryBlackWaterz LOL
MrSnapply 1 month ago
@MercenaryBlackWaterz They should fill the empty marble statue niche in the EU market.
BcallingDB 1 month ago
Stratfor back on form, grear analysis. The Europeans no longer fear a Greek default or expulsion from the euro.
Mojo1982 1 month ago
Ouch, cold
Dubwise78 1 month ago
I'm not surprised. It always seemed to me, that the only natural resource they have is marble (rocks), and the only economic advantage of a maritime industry being centrally located is
meaningless these days. I can't see how this could be avoided, but I'm quite fearful for just
how wretched this will be for those people. This could get ugly.
coffey3c 1 month ago
Greece has been kept propped up by the EU because they like the vacation spots and value the history. Else they would have let it fall into the gutter like the rest of the Eastern European countries.
B4TT3RY 1 month ago
@B4TT3RY vacation spots? lol no.. cold war man.. greece was a nice spot to control ussr
utkusarioglu 1 month ago
I agree with your analysis. Now GET A SHAVE!
joel1923 1 month ago in playlist Stratfor - 5 Most Recent on Europe
I say cut those greek parasites now, or go back in past and cut them then.
PapaDamageXXX 1 month ago
interesting report
utkusarioglu 1 month ago