What I am tryin to contribute here is give u all the uncensored ideology behind jkd vs martial arts conundrum . Few hundred years ago champions get Paid for their fighting skills n they normally teach decades into their retirements. But in Chinese circles, a stable's top positions are Given to those with the right connections n seldom the gifted students ie the masters' sons . They do more drills than spar, protected by their fathers n get weaker thru the generations like so many kungfus
Think about this : when a fighting system teaches it's people to do drills that work only on unskilled opponents . When met with opponent with proper guard , respond with 1) telling ur sparring partner to put his guard down n give u a clean shot or 2) if in real life situation run like a bitch.
Which bring me to my point that wing chun is designed for fighting the average man , and if u good , more than a few average man. Try walking into a wingchin gym n use the boxing drawback or the muaythai plum, these moves comply with wingchin rules but shunned cos they are not honorable in spirit?!? WTF!!! Bullshit n embarrassment to the yellow race
@TheUfchink you can apply quite a large amount of the techniques and principles to MMA actually, the sensitivity really helps with clinchwork, I use the wing chun redirection and trapping with judo kuzushi for very effective takedowns. The thing with wing chun is it is complex. The idea of things like boxing and muay thai is a small selection of things and practice them a LOT. I say do what works for you. Wing Chun is a great tool in my belt just like my muay thai & judo training.
What do I know ? Lemme give u a quick lecture on the technics of hand to hand combat. 1) seasoned Grapplers never put hands low to get scooped good Grapplers attack n focus on elbows not wristwork. Conclusion ? Wing chun albeit in principle can handle bigger stronger opposition cannot deal with trained full contact fighters
Very cool! I love seeing "mainland" sil nim tao. Shows us how different and how far the hong kong / yip man systems varied from the other branches. I would love to study from a mainlander, cho gar or pan nam, for example - just to get an idea of how differently they emphasize energy and movement.
Is this Shaolin form of Wing Chun or Wing Chun Dan? Maybe a shortened version a wing chun form? Different but not necessarily incorrect just different or him own personal style.
@BlueberryDoughnuts first of all I would never make fun of wingchun, rather than I'm actually practicing it along with JKD and other 3 martial arts... I understand the concept and I find the traditional ways impractical sometimes and too limiting .. and the reason I posted that was because my master always keeps going for my thumb when it's wide open and nearly ripped it off twice.. so I'm talking out of experience .. practicality not tradition
@gtsgate I'd like to see someone who doesn't have knowledge of this style try NOT to make a fool of their self when narrating on its virtues and weaknesses..
@gtsgate My Sifu would chew him out for it we got chewed out every time we didn't keep our fingers together. Now I get on my own students about it. One day about a week ago I reached out and grabbed a students thumb while he was doing his form. He was doing a Tan Sau and had his thumb sticking out.
@wolf3001 I think the fingers are held rigid in that position to condition the muscles in the hand. You may well have been able to grab one of your students thumbs while he was doing his form but you don't know what level of skill this guy has or how he does the applications. Perhaps you may wish to consider that there are unknown unknowns before commenting on other peoples training styles. Also a bit of humility woudln't go amiss...
Well, there is such thing as a formless Wing Chun. And they say that because Wing Chun is a principle-based art and not a technique-based art, the style tends to modify in a way that fits the practitioner.
i dont know if this is some lineage of wing chun or not but i can see some simular movements from the forms i know from ip man wing chun such as siu lim taau, chum kiu and biu gee as for muk yan chong, luk dim boon qwun and bart cham dao i have yet to see. however there are many lineage's of wing chun but the earlyest record we have to date is the words of ip man himself
Could Someone be so kind to explain one thing: Is The wing chun stance always square (you expose to your opponent your all front side)? If it is...isnt that a basic disadvantage compare to someone who has for example a sideway stance (like boxing ) exposing less target area? Plus it looks like it is a very static stance...if you need to retreat rapidly...I never learned Wing chun but it looks fascinating in its simplicity...Thank you if anyone will clarify that for me!
@dangerouswater no, this is the first form, different to the first form i know but still teachs you the principles, im still new to it but as you progress you learn the various stances and how to move rapidly... sorry i couldnt help more, check out the wing chun school uk website and others.
@dangerouswater It's not always applied this way, but here's a perspective: If you stand in a side stance, you're presenting me with an easier target to attack: your leg.
Also, in wing chun, the ideal is to not retreat, but rather to deflect and hold your ground. It might be unrealistic, but Wing Chun is most effective at medium range. If you retreat, you lose your advantage, and in fact are stepping into your opponent's ideal range, especially if he/she is a distance fighter.
@fdesa12 Thanks for your reply, you made some interesting points: your leg may be a target (in Bruce Lee's JKD the opponent front leg is often a target). You say as well that in Wing chun it is not ideally to retreat, but in a real combat often the situations are not IDEAL, and if you get charged you better get out of the way quickly in my opinion...
@dangerouswater You shouldn't retreat in Wing Chun but no it's not always a good idea to stand there. It's just my opinion but I use a retreat to draw someone in. If they are to energetic and pushing forward I may step back then quickly come forward as they pursue me. If they are really pushing in hard I may simply sidestep.
it´s not fake (don´t even know what that means)... ever thought about it being something just don´t understand (yet) ... btw, you should also think about your "knowledge" and your "style" having you obviously trapped... but what do i know...
i dont know if anyone has already responded to happybuddha100 withanything like what im saying, but there are very few sex distinctions and there is an age. if you are eighty years old it would be very hard to start training in many of the arts, iron body, qi gong and basic stretches as well as balance trainings and even push hands would be very dangerous. if one were to start at age 30 he/she would have lost 20 years of iron body training and their metabolism would have been set long ago.
This is horrible. I shouldn't say that. This is not wing chun. The side palms do not strike towards the centerline and his shoulder's are moving all over the place. The toes are not pointed inwards The fook sao is ridiculous with the fingers all spread out. If he were to use that in a fight he would break is fingers. One would get caught or trapped. The thumbs are hanging out. Its great if he wants to be different but don't call it wing chun.
This is horrible. I shouldn't say that. This is not wing chun. The side palms do not strike towards the centerline and his shoulder's are moving all over the place. The toes are not pointed inwards The fook sao is ridiculous with the fingers all spread out. If he were to use that in a fight he would break is fingers. One would get caught or trapped. The thumbs are hanging out. Its great if he wants to be different but don't call it wing chun.
@MrJayd247 just to play devils advocate (i agree with you really, i mean his toes are pointing outwards not inwards) but perhaps this is wing chun old school, most wing chun now is born from ip mans liniage who is known as the father of modern wing chun. perhaps the liniage of this wing chun isnt through ip man so will have many differences to what most wing chun students would expect? :-)
@MrJayd247 Perhaps he had an other explanation for that. It is everything the philosophy behind the style. You cannot expect that nothing changes.
You now firstly Leung Jan reformed his Wing Chung, then Yip Man, then every of his students refined Wing Chun for themselves. Leung Ting, Bruce Lee, William Cheung etc. Wing Chun is only a tool and you use it in your own way and behind your way stays an idea with pros for yourself and maybe contras for me or anyone else.
@qjtuber123 that is not necessarily true. i cannot say that any martial art is superior to another, rather the practitioner can be better or worse. but there have been numerous occasions that i have seen someone who uses REAL wing chun [not just random chain punching] beat a fighter who kick consistently. as far as a spinning sweep is concerned, have you ever seen a person actually use a spinning leg sweep in a fight. that move is extremely impractical and leaves the user open to numerous...
Hi Opticannon ,prove it to yourself, go into a Shotokan Dojo have a guy film it, and put in on Youtube. A Simple spinning sweep beats you, Cause you don't have the power to stop it. Go ahead knock on the Dojo Door . Prove your system in actual fight. See what works.
@qjtuber123 wing chunners do not have full contact sparring. This is their disadvantage. However, in theory, against any kick, they are suppose to be able to read you before you move and therefore move against you first. Speed is what protects wing chunners
@erwinsoo2 Some Wing Chun styles have full contact training and they are always the most effective. As an aside, have you seen the IAW videos? They are on the right way!
@erwinsoo2 Whether you have full contact sparring or not depends on the individual school and sifu. Its not just speed its sensitivity and be able to react as well and not merely predict. This is the foundation of single and double sticky hands.
@qjtuber123 nothing spinning is quick enough. personally im used to deflecting attacks that can have an average of 9inches to traverse and youre gonna catch em with a spinning sweep. right
I'm sorry but this really doesn't work for me, the music and the silly additions of sepia toning the video [an old bit of film? no!] and the movement effects are totally un-needed here. This chap just looks stiff/tense and what is with the body compressions? A total misunderstanding of Siu Lam Tao really.
Today's wing chun is an evolution of the original ng moi concept.different provinces and countries have different translations of the original intent.all of these "my wing chun is the greatest" guys should roll with more people and recognize that there is always an opening that can be exploited.//
@NICHIREN81 Dude its a demo not a fight. I guess when when a boxer jabs a lot during practice are you going to say if he does that in a real fight someone is going to throw a roundhouse over the top?
There calling it hard style because of its sharp movements. What this form has is real fighting movements to show what he could do in a potentialy harmfull situation. Because are you really going to do a slow hune sau against someone who is yrying to shed blood?
@simplePERCEPTION Well the point of the form isn't to teach someone to fight, it's to learn the positions of the movements, and train the energy properly, doing it fast can't be training much elbow energy
@OverFjell well yeah i understand the point of the form but what hes doing is showing useful movements... One of the biggest reasons why wing chun is made fun of is because of its huge focus on its forms... And by adding some jut sau it shows how its not just a form, but that everything in it has a purpose...
@bigfatdick5000 Well, your arms won't get bruised because you catch the punch before the arm is fully extended so the power is much lower. Also, they practice with wooden dummies to condition their arms to impact.
@bigfatdick5000: Chi Sao is not a fighting set of movements, but rather a way of training tactile reflexes. You don't do CS with anybody in a fight. Assume a boxer jabs at my face. I "counter" this with a my punches at his face. Now, it *may* happen that our arms connect. If so, the tactile reflexes trained in CS will deform my arm in a way that his jab won't connect with my face, w/o giving him any resistance. If his punch is strong, I may have to turn.
@bigfatdick5000 You can use Wing Chun principles in the ring, but most of the time it will not work perfectly, because the results of deforming and reforming will often lead to movements that are forbidden in Boxing. But yes, there were some Wing Chun students who succeded as boxers. Wing Chun as a whole is not so much a set of movements, as it is a set of principles. And any fighter may profit from using the principles.
Too bad people have forgotten how to do that it seems. A punch is just a punch so you should be able to stick to a boxers punch like anyone elses. The real art is DYING. Too many "masters" of the paper tiger tiger style,
@bigfatdick5000:Chi Sao is not a set of fighting movements, but rather a way of training tactile reflexes. You don't do CS with anybody in a fight. Assume a boxer jabs at my face. I "counter" this with a my punches at his face. Now, it *may* happen that our arms connect. If so, the tactile reflexes trained in CS will deform my arm in a way that his jab won't connect with my face, w/o giving him any resistance. If he pulls back, the reflexes extend my arms, and I hit.
Whoever said it's Bui Ji, it's not - it's a different version of Siu Lim Tao to the one I know. I can see the similarities, but I'm not a fan of this style.
Maybe it's got its merits, but it wouldn't work for me, and the way he performs some of the movements seems to fudge a lot of useful applications.
I was speaking in regards to having that on top of proper structure. Comparing say, two people that have proper structure already. It is, well to me anyway, obvious that a proper structure is of an utmost importance in WC. But probably not for a lot of people. And your right, but I agree with you... Because without a proper structure... Force, speed, etc are ineffective to say the least.
Power... speed... technique... Put these into the right equation first.
Force x Speed = Power. Simple.
The ultimate would be a perfect ratio of force and speed. A muscle bound brute isnt going to be able to generated much speed, but will have ALOT of force. So in contest against someone quite lean but also built, they would simply be outclassed. Its simple physics people.
True in striking arts. Not so true in jiu jitsu style fights... it is easy to see weaker opponents beat larger guys who don't know what they are doing.
this reminds me of the combat kata Sanchin in uechi ryu to build up strength by slow powerful movements, like a type of dynamic tension training. very nice video I would love to learn wing chun, I like that people in that style seem very humble to all other styles *i guess thats because they know wing chun is good*
@deancorleone That's cuz both Uechi Ryu and Wing Chun have similar roots from the White Crane System. And just to be frank... this is the "hardest" Wing Chun demonstration I have ever seen. Most Wing chun I've seen is a lot softer.
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i think china and japan made matial arts coz there such small people they needed to develop some defense? or on the other hand they jus all pretty hardcore ppl
ToWinkworthIpswich: Lol! Your comment is a funny one! Martial arts has been around for a long time - way before people knew the earth was round. Therefore, Eastern people would not have know that Western (larger) people existed. A true martial artist will develop themselves spiritually, as well as physically - that's the true way of ALL martial arts... therefore, I would say Eastern people were very spiritual, as well as (as you put it "hardcore"!
Its actually debated that chinese martial arts stem from Europe, through India and into China where it finally was developed into what we know todays as kung-fu
that theory fails hard since researchers concluded through extant documents at shaolin and around the area that-
Huiguang and Sengchou were involved with martial arts before they became two of the very first Shaolin monks, reported as practicing martial arts before the arrival of Bodhidharma.[14] Sengchou's skill with the tin staff is even documented in the Chinese Buddhist canon.
So the theory that Damo bought indian arts via geek pankration is dubious n evidence points otherwise, must is myth.
Gotta wonder where you got that from... You do know that the Chinese civilization predates Europe's by at least 1000 years right? And that's assuming Pre-Ancient Greece of 2500 BC or older. I think you're probably thinking the other way around.
Why would they deveopled self defense kuz there small,when they(eastern people) were mostly the same size n lived with other asians? your logic fails! besides europeans have many martial arts as well "boxing,wreslting,fencing,savate ect ect" was it bekuz they needed self defense too kuz they were to fat and chubby? or kuz they were just as hardcore? lol
oh your right sorry man, it aint coz they small, but it must be coz they hardcore ppl tht u jus wudnt mess with then, or most them generally have a passion for self defense i dunno, there must be some reason, if u think of self defense and martial arts the first countrys u think of r china and japan
its because he is using the 1st of 5 elements! hes being stiff and hard as a rock! if an opponent was much stronger and bigger than him than he would have to be water instead of earth until he can find the killer moment to strike down like a rock
he is good. there is no doubt about it. but in my opinion if grand master Ip Man sees this video he will ask "wow what's that sport ? i have never seen it before. " respect to all Wing Chun brothers and sisters !!!!
This is the best win chun techniques I have seen.Great inner strength builder.I do Karate do,however always admire win chun for it's inner strength work and Chi.
Maybe is another style of Wing Chun. I have seen forms of Fushang wing Chun style and they are different of the Hong Kong Wing Chun Style and different of this one.
The forms are the same, but the execution is different.
Not all Wing Chung is Hong Kong Style. There are other styles of Wing Chung.
Would be cool to know this guy's lineage. I see elements of Biu Jee, Chum Kiu and (mostly) Siu Nim Tao. I doubt, though, that he is Yip Man lineage, or even Leung Jan.
Alone form his movements, I would not be sure that he is "hard" style.
His movements often cross the center line, and he takes his whole body into the movement.
I'm not sure how good he would be in a fight, but I would be very interested in his concepts.
excuse me, I am a girl and have tried different wing chun styles. The stronger wing chun always works better for me. Soft wing chun is NOT for girls. We like it hard.
Best wing chun, IMHO, is soft, when power comes in, and hard, when power goes out.
Hitting softly is no good ;-). The core of wing chun philosophy is NOT to counter force with force, but to use the force of the attacker against himself and then add one's own force.
So, to me, if someone talks about "hard wing chun", I'm not sure what he really means. Could you explain?
Always it must be best to use your own power. then surely when you meet somthing your body is better informed on how to move. also there must be a better compression of your strength and theirs to work off.
From how I understand wu wei,I don''t use my power going against the attacker's. I let him go where he wants,I'm just not there anymore. That's the yang of wing chun. When the way is free for me, I use his AND my power to hit him.That's the yin. Yang always has the potential for yin and vice versa. He who says wing chun is "soft", doesn't understand the basis of wing chun and Taoism.
Nevertheless, there are fighters who are harder, and others who are softer. The goal is maintaining quiescence.
Yes, sure you let him go where he wants but you smack him one on the way. this is a self defence system!! you need the joined compressed power of yours and his to add them together. If you just let him go..passive then you are not useing your power...
Well... i always thought that a fightsport is supposed to be hard.. Stupid me....
how else can you defend yourself? What i want to say is there cannot be a soft wing chun.... In fact wing chun was invented "Ng Mui" and passed through to Wing Chun, so she could kick her 'guy-who-wanted-to-marry-her''s ass
if you ever did 'soft wing chun', then you can say that the school sucks like hell
theres a one hour tutorial called 13 post hands..probably the best if seen so far. this guy is awesome.
williwithchucks 3 weeks ago
very good the systemm
WingChungMuro 2 months ago
This is pan nam style wing chun
92271027 4 months ago
im learning vt and this is another form wich is for training the hand
lennbow12 4 months ago
i can see his disrupting power
FrozenCoolSolid 4 months ago
Who is this man? Which Wing Chun lineage?
It´s different from the WT/WC style I´m training.
preko1969 5 months ago
you can also see my wooden dummy 7 day's work cost around 60 $ ;-)
01sidiropoulos 5 months ago
cua dong nao ma la the nhi
anhvannhuthe0166 5 months ago
What I am tryin to contribute here is give u all the uncensored ideology behind jkd vs martial arts conundrum . Few hundred years ago champions get Paid for their fighting skills n they normally teach decades into their retirements. But in Chinese circles, a stable's top positions are Given to those with the right connections n seldom the gifted students ie the masters' sons . They do more drills than spar, protected by their fathers n get weaker thru the generations like so many kungfus
TheUfchink 6 months ago
Think about this : when a fighting system teaches it's people to do drills that work only on unskilled opponents . When met with opponent with proper guard , respond with 1) telling ur sparring partner to put his guard down n give u a clean shot or 2) if in real life situation run like a bitch.
TheUfchink 6 months ago
This is just a warmup, the actual wing chun is extremely fluent.
iiSh0tZu 7 months ago
hard? this guy is way too stiff and robotic in movement.
58dragonmist 7 months ago
WING CHUN is simply using hands to say " Take and bring back "
whatthehell440 7 months ago in playlist wing chung queng
Which bring me to my point that wing chun is designed for fighting the average man , and if u good , more than a few average man. Try walking into a wingchin gym n use the boxing drawback or the muaythai plum, these moves comply with wingchin rules but shunned cos they are not honorable in spirit?!? WTF!!! Bullshit n embarrassment to the yellow race
TheUfchink 7 months ago
@TheUfchink you can apply quite a large amount of the techniques and principles to MMA actually, the sensitivity really helps with clinchwork, I use the wing chun redirection and trapping with judo kuzushi for very effective takedowns. The thing with wing chun is it is complex. The idea of things like boxing and muay thai is a small selection of things and practice them a LOT. I say do what works for you. Wing Chun is a great tool in my belt just like my muay thai & judo training.
chushinryoku 6 months ago
What do I know ? Lemme give u a quick lecture on the technics of hand to hand combat. 1) seasoned Grapplers never put hands low to get scooped good Grapplers attack n focus on elbows not wristwork. Conclusion ? Wing chun albeit in principle can handle bigger stronger opposition cannot deal with trained full contact fighters
TheUfchink 7 months ago
@TheUfchink can wing chun be adjusted to parry trained fighters?
in any way?
ookami3380 5 months ago
Very cool! I love seeing "mainland" sil nim tao. Shows us how different and how far the hong kong / yip man systems varied from the other branches. I would love to study from a mainlander, cho gar or pan nam, for example - just to get an idea of how differently they emphasize energy and movement.
sangandongo 8 months ago
@sangandongo would the Pin Sun WC of Kulo Village be considered mainland style WC like our talking about?
beunbad 2 months ago
Weak. For the real deal in Chinese fighting YouTube me TheUfchink!!!!
TheUfchink 8 months ago
@TheUfchink I dont know this man. but how you know that he is weak?. you got any idea what he is doing?
tutanota 7 months ago
It's Siu Lim Tao, the basic and most important little idea, which teaches you and the body all the movements and positions of strikes and parry.
anhpho 8 months ago
is this biuh zhe? of what
zXzZeRoOzXz1 9 months ago
OMG...... he doed wing chun and shaolin hung gar. He's prob really ood
wongfeihung1847 9 months ago
you are right, but there are martial arts for fighting or more for health
petroziom 10 months ago
Just some Siu Lim Tao...
jackass1234R 11 months ago
I'd love to see the other forms in this style...
DrSpooglemon 11 months ago
Is this Shaolin form of Wing Chun or Wing Chun Dan? Maybe a shortened version a wing chun form? Different but not necessarily incorrect just different or him own personal style.
SupraRZ7 11 months ago
@BlueberryDoughnuts first of all I would never make fun of wingchun, rather than I'm actually practicing it along with JKD and other 3 martial arts... I understand the concept and I find the traditional ways impractical sometimes and too limiting .. and the reason I posted that was because my master always keeps going for my thumb when it's wide open and nearly ripped it off twice.. so I'm talking out of experience .. practicality not tradition
gtsgate 1 year ago
i would like to see his thumb ripped off... so he learns how to keep it covered ^^
gtsgate 1 year ago
@gtsgate I'd like to see someone who doesn't have knowledge of this style try NOT to make a fool of their self when narrating on its virtues and weaknesses..
BlueberryDoughnuts 1 year ago
@gtsgate My Sifu would chew him out for it we got chewed out every time we didn't keep our fingers together. Now I get on my own students about it. One day about a week ago I reached out and grabbed a students thumb while he was doing his form. He was doing a Tan Sau and had his thumb sticking out.
wolf3001 9 months ago
@wolf3001 I think the fingers are held rigid in that position to condition the muscles in the hand. You may well have been able to grab one of your students thumbs while he was doing his form but you don't know what level of skill this guy has or how he does the applications. Perhaps you may wish to consider that there are unknown unknowns before commenting on other peoples training styles. Also a bit of humility woudln't go amiss...
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago
Well, there is such thing as a formless Wing Chun. And they say that because Wing Chun is a principle-based art and not a technique-based art, the style tends to modify in a way that fits the practitioner.
fdesa12 1 year ago
Interesting to see different ways that Wing Chun evolves. Hard or soft all, progress.
jakobite1 1 year ago
Mr Miagi would smash this bloke.
foti2000 1 year ago
i dont know if this is some lineage of wing chun or not but i can see some simular movements from the forms i know from ip man wing chun such as siu lim taau, chum kiu and biu gee as for muk yan chong, luk dim boon qwun and bart cham dao i have yet to see. however there are many lineage's of wing chun but the earlyest record we have to date is the words of ip man himself
and he tells the story as this
philpottjuk81 1 year ago
Could Someone be so kind to explain one thing: Is The wing chun stance always square (you expose to your opponent your all front side)? If it is...isnt that a basic disadvantage compare to someone who has for example a sideway stance (like boxing ) exposing less target area? Plus it looks like it is a very static stance...if you need to retreat rapidly...I never learned Wing chun but it looks fascinating in its simplicity...Thank you if anyone will clarify that for me!
dangerouswater 1 year ago
@dangerouswater no, this is the first form, different to the first form i know but still teachs you the principles, im still new to it but as you progress you learn the various stances and how to move rapidly... sorry i couldnt help more, check out the wing chun school uk website and others.
JusJJJJJ 1 year ago
@dangerouswater It's not always applied this way, but here's a perspective: If you stand in a side stance, you're presenting me with an easier target to attack: your leg.
Also, in wing chun, the ideal is to not retreat, but rather to deflect and hold your ground. It might be unrealistic, but Wing Chun is most effective at medium range. If you retreat, you lose your advantage, and in fact are stepping into your opponent's ideal range, especially if he/she is a distance fighter.
fdesa12 1 year ago
@fdesa12 Thanks for your reply, you made some interesting points: your leg may be a target (in Bruce Lee's JKD the opponent front leg is often a target). You say as well that in Wing chun it is not ideally to retreat, but in a real combat often the situations are not IDEAL, and if you get charged you better get out of the way quickly in my opinion...
dangerouswater 1 year ago
@dangerouswater ahaha that's why I said ideally. I personally would retreat myself mainly because I'm not as experienced.
fdesa12 1 year ago
@dangerouswater You shouldn't retreat in Wing Chun but no it's not always a good idea to stand there. It's just my opinion but I use a retreat to draw someone in. If they are to energetic and pushing forward I may step back then quickly come forward as they pursue me. If they are really pushing in hard I may simply sidestep.
wolf3001 9 months ago
funny school
oltifromhungary 1 year ago
it´s not fake (don´t even know what that means)... ever thought about it being something just don´t understand (yet) ... btw, you should also think about your "knowledge" and your "style" having you obviously trapped... but what do i know...
anyway, good luck to all ya. blessings
Jimpancee 1 year ago
angry little guy :)
utubeistscheisse1 1 year ago
angry little guy :)
utubeistscheisse1 1 year ago
i dont know if anyone has already responded to happybuddha100 withanything like what im saying, but there are very few sex distinctions and there is an age. if you are eighty years old it would be very hard to start training in many of the arts, iron body, qi gong and basic stretches as well as balance trainings and even push hands would be very dangerous. if one were to start at age 30 he/she would have lost 20 years of iron body training and their metabolism would have been set long ago.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
what is this fake wing tsun?? XD
monguzkillamc 1 year ago
搞乜撚?
davidcyho 1 year ago
eric88ling , many thanks for sharing with us this remarkable skill !!
toishanma 1 year ago
i like it
TheActionMovieStar 1 year ago
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This is horrible. I shouldn't say that. This is not wing chun. The side palms do not strike towards the centerline and his shoulder's are moving all over the place. The toes are not pointed inwards The fook sao is ridiculous with the fingers all spread out. If he were to use that in a fight he would break is fingers. One would get caught or trapped. The thumbs are hanging out. Its great if he wants to be different but don't call it wing chun.
MrJayd247 1 year ago
This is horrible. I shouldn't say that. This is not wing chun. The side palms do not strike towards the centerline and his shoulder's are moving all over the place. The toes are not pointed inwards The fook sao is ridiculous with the fingers all spread out. If he were to use that in a fight he would break is fingers. One would get caught or trapped. The thumbs are hanging out. Its great if he wants to be different but don't call it wing chun.
MrJayd247 1 year ago
@MrJayd247 ur funny!!!
omfgthinkofaname 1 year ago
@MrJayd247 just to play devils advocate (i agree with you really, i mean his toes are pointing outwards not inwards) but perhaps this is wing chun old school, most wing chun now is born from ip mans liniage who is known as the father of modern wing chun. perhaps the liniage of this wing chun isnt through ip man so will have many differences to what most wing chun students would expect? :-)
thats the best i can come up with :-)
andypandyhu 1 year ago
@MrJayd247
you're royal to your lineage, that's !!!
toishanma 1 year ago
@MrJayd247 Perhaps he had an other explanation for that. It is everything the philosophy behind the style. You cannot expect that nothing changes.
You now firstly Leung Jan reformed his Wing Chung, then Yip Man, then every of his students refined Wing Chun for themselves. Leung Ting, Bruce Lee, William Cheung etc. Wing Chun is only a tool and you use it in your own way and behind your way stays an idea with pros for yourself and maybe contras for me or anyone else.
G6600 1 year ago
Looks a bit like he's trying to hold in a dump with that stance. Attractive scene.
MsGisbourne 1 year ago
i really like the adapted elbow block, as opposed to the ip man style bong sau
sizzla123 1 year ago
I will kick this guy's ass!
AmazingISI 1 year ago
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@qjtuber123 that is not necessarily true. i cannot say that any martial art is superior to another, rather the practitioner can be better or worse. but there have been numerous occasions that i have seen someone who uses REAL wing chun [not just random chain punching] beat a fighter who kick consistently. as far as a spinning sweep is concerned, have you ever seen a person actually use a spinning leg sweep in a fight. that move is extremely impractical and leaves the user open to numerous...
sgtweenus 1 year ago
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sgtweenus 1 year ago
Hi Opticannon ,prove it to yourself, go into a Shotokan Dojo have a guy film it, and put in on Youtube. A Simple spinning sweep beats you, Cause you don't have the power to stop it. Go ahead knock on the Dojo Door . Prove your system in actual fight. See what works.
qjtuber123 1 year ago
@qjtuber123 wing chunners do not have full contact sparring. This is their disadvantage. However, in theory, against any kick, they are suppose to be able to read you before you move and therefore move against you first. Speed is what protects wing chunners
erwinsoo2 1 year ago
@erwinsoo2 Some Wing Chun styles have full contact training and they are always the most effective. As an aside, have you seen the IAW videos? They are on the right way!
MichaelBaker1100 1 year ago
@erwinsoo2 Whether you have full contact sparring or not depends on the individual school and sifu. Its not just speed its sensitivity and be able to react as well and not merely predict. This is the foundation of single and double sticky hands.
cosmetech 1 year ago
A Quick spinning leg sweep beats this Guy.
qjtuber123 1 year ago
@qjtuber123 nothing spinning is quick enough. personally im used to deflecting attacks that can have an average of 9inches to traverse and youre gonna catch em with a spinning sweep. right
opticannon 1 year ago
No silly sounds, no sepia toned images and no compressions ... just correctly done Siu Lam Tao:
/watch?v=Iq7Qayb-xjU
/watch?v=I7M_W35NyYQ
PacalB 1 year ago
I'm sorry but this really doesn't work for me, the music and the silly additions of sepia toning the video [an old bit of film? no!] and the movement effects are totally un-needed here. This chap just looks stiff/tense and what is with the body compressions? A total misunderstanding of Siu Lam Tao really.
PacalB 1 year ago
wing chun balences the ying and yang... this is like a whole other martial art...
EmoGuitar666 1 year ago
Greetings ,very powerful vidéo thank you
always4445 1 year ago
AiiYaah', Ji go hai tai ho tai ho aah'!!! Wing-Chun with Body-Compression Power release!!! EXCELLENT!!! Bau jaw Ging Ho ho!!! MmGoi'
ChineseOpera8 1 year ago
chi is not generated from forms, It is developed mentally while doing forms. You don't really need the forms.
Taveren22 1 year ago
this is too tradicional...that´s not funcional than actually wing tsun or wing tsun rvolution
014088 1 year ago
Is this really wingchun? Which lineage did this SLT come from? Thanks.
lesterado 1 year ago
Wing Chun was made for short people in China.
Kr4zi4ur0mg 1 year ago
@Kr4zi4ur0mg you cant be serious? I guess MCMAP was made for the strongest in the world.
ATouch0fFaith 1 year ago
Today's wing chun is an evolution of the original ng moi concept.different provinces and countries have different translations of the original intent.all of these "my wing chun is the greatest" guys should roll with more people and recognize that there is always an opening that can be exploited.//
SuperWolf36 1 year ago
in this position ,the knee say bye bye.......guaratied
NICHIREN81 1 year ago
@NICHIREN81 Dude its a demo not a fight. I guess when when a boxer jabs a lot during practice are you going to say if he does that in a real fight someone is going to throw a roundhouse over the top?
ATouch0fFaith 1 year ago
There calling it hard style because of its sharp movements. What this form has is real fighting movements to show what he could do in a potentialy harmfull situation. Because are you really going to do a slow hune sau against someone who is yrying to shed blood?
simplePERCEPTION 1 year ago
@simplePERCEPTION Well the point of the form isn't to teach someone to fight, it's to learn the positions of the movements, and train the energy properly, doing it fast can't be training much elbow energy
OverFjell 1 year ago
@OverFjell well yeah i understand the point of the form but what hes doing is showing useful movements... One of the biggest reasons why wing chun is made fun of is because of its huge focus on its forms... And by adding some jut sau it shows how its not just a form, but that everything in it has a purpose...
simplePERCEPTION 1 year ago
Doing this in this way is power generation like any other style and diffuses the point of Wing Chun as a concept.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
What makes this style a hard style? I'm familiar with hard and soft styles of Karate. This looks soft compared to that.. just curious..
mfaries42 1 year ago
@mfaries42
maybe because master has got an erection the whole way through the video...
WingChum 1 year ago
I think it is strange why he rests his fists on his hips rather than his chest, like I was taught to do in Wing Chun class.
kawaiipikachu 1 year ago
the english name for his feet placement is called "knee clamping horse"
simplePERCEPTION 1 year ago
I wonder how "chi sao" is gonna work against a boxer ....
you wont be able to even stick their hands , you'll have to stick to the " punches" .. which your arms would be all bruised...
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
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jenshall1 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000 Well, your arms won't get bruised because you catch the punch before the arm is fully extended so the power is much lower. Also, they practice with wooden dummies to condition their arms to impact.
kawaiipikachu 1 year ago
@kawaiipikachu
what if it's heavy weight boxer ? can you still "chi sao" with them without getting your arms injured ?
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000: Chi Sao is not a fighting set of movements, but rather a way of training tactile reflexes. You don't do CS with anybody in a fight. Assume a boxer jabs at my face. I "counter" this with a my punches at his face. Now, it *may* happen that our arms connect. If so, the tactile reflexes trained in CS will deform my arm in a way that his jab won't connect with my face, w/o giving him any resistance. If his punch is strong, I may have to turn.
krywult 1 year ago
@krywult very nice, i'm getting the picture.
so if a olympic boxer's trained in chi sao , that must be deadly.
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000 You can use Wing Chun principles in the ring, but most of the time it will not work perfectly, because the results of deforming and reforming will often lead to movements that are forbidden in Boxing. But yes, there were some Wing Chun students who succeded as boxers. Wing Chun as a whole is not so much a set of movements, as it is a set of principles. And any fighter may profit from using the principles.
krywult 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000
Too bad people have forgotten how to do that it seems. A punch is just a punch so you should be able to stick to a boxers punch like anyone elses. The real art is DYING. Too many "masters" of the paper tiger tiger style,
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
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@bigfatdick5000:Chi Sao is not a set of fighting movements, but rather a way of training tactile reflexes. You don't do CS with anybody in a fight. Assume a boxer jabs at my face. I "counter" this with a my punches at his face. Now, it *may* happen that our arms connect. If so, the tactile reflexes trained in CS will deform my arm in a way that his jab won't connect with my face, w/o giving him any resistance. If he pulls back, the reflexes extend my arms, and I hit.
krywult 1 year ago
Sounds like the music from those Kung Fu films of 1970s I grew up with.
BushidoCode72 1 year ago
Sounds like 'Once Upon A Time In China' intro music...
noesis790 2 years ago
@noesis790 it is, called the "song of the commander"
intirayami 1 year ago
Hmm.
Very 'hmm'.
Whoever said it's Bui Ji, it's not - it's a different version of Siu Lim Tao to the one I know. I can see the similarities, but I'm not a fan of this style.
Maybe it's got its merits, but it wouldn't work for me, and the way he performs some of the movements seems to fudge a lot of useful applications.
DaemonCleaner 2 years ago
The "toed in" stance in Wing Chun is named...
"Yi Ji Kim Yeung Ma".
MrSoulSong 2 years ago
@superbadlucre...
I was speaking in regards to having that on top of proper structure. Comparing say, two people that have proper structure already. It is, well to me anyway, obvious that a proper structure is of an utmost importance in WC. But probably not for a lot of people. And your right, but I agree with you... Because without a proper structure... Force, speed, etc are ineffective to say the least.
MrSoulSong 2 years ago
Power... speed... technique... Put these into the right equation first.
Force x Speed = Power. Simple.
The ultimate would be a perfect ratio of force and speed. A muscle bound brute isnt going to be able to generated much speed, but will have ALOT of force. So in contest against someone quite lean but also built, they would simply be outclassed. Its simple physics people.
MrSoulSong 2 years ago
kung fu knows things about physics that physics doesn't know.
magicbrowny420 2 years ago
Pretty cool. Power will beat technique 90% of the time. It's only when you're able to achieve both that you become one bad MF-er.
bribri8121 2 years ago
True in striking arts. Not so true in jiu jitsu style fights... it is easy to see weaker opponents beat larger guys who don't know what they are doing.
nerdswers 2 years ago
looks almost like tiger crane form of Hung Gar
sunfist420 2 years ago
true but the legs are closer together in tiger crane form i think.
i think this is eiji stance, in which your legs usually are pigeon toed inward so its harder to push backwards
fancypants6434 2 years ago
this proves that energy can be transferred visually positive or negative, i actually feel like im being hit.
bowerybaker 2 years ago
Different but kool ..
adamwingchun 2 years ago
Interesting variation of Siu Lam Tao...
MudaSHoleProductions 2 years ago 13
@MudaSHoleProductions its wing chun + hung gar lol
Rxnszjcd 1 year ago
@Rxnszjcd I would say it's smart idea to marry hung gar and wing chun. Hung Gar has the power and strength, and Wing Chun has the speed and agility.
JarredD798HungMan1 1 year ago
@MudaSHoleProductions fully agray with you
AMAZHIGHenlima 1 year ago
Very different from the Yip Man Wing Chun but I appreciate you sharing this lineage with us,very cool!Thxs
sifuwise 2 years ago
Awesome.
whoismikel 2 years ago
isn't that biu jee and not siu lim tao?
rAFiCoRe 2 years ago
Funny Granny...
aqzaqz45 2 years ago
this reminds me of the combat kata Sanchin in uechi ryu to build up strength by slow powerful movements, like a type of dynamic tension training. very nice video I would love to learn wing chun, I like that people in that style seem very humble to all other styles *i guess thats because they know wing chun is good*
deancorleone 2 years ago
@deancorleone That's cuz both Uechi Ryu and Wing Chun have similar roots from the White Crane System. And just to be frank... this is the "hardest" Wing Chun demonstration I have ever seen. Most Wing chun I've seen is a lot softer.
thewhoopimen 2 years ago
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i think china and japan made matial arts coz there such small people they needed to develop some defense? or on the other hand they jus all pretty hardcore ppl
TOWinkworthIpswich 2 years ago
ToWinkworthIpswich: Lol! Your comment is a funny one! Martial arts has been around for a long time - way before people knew the earth was round. Therefore, Eastern people would not have know that Western (larger) people existed. A true martial artist will develop themselves spiritually, as well as physically - that's the true way of ALL martial arts... therefore, I would say Eastern people were very spiritual, as well as (as you put it "hardcore"!
fhpham 2 years ago 2
had you ever been to north china? they are freaking tall and strong there...
hengrui 2 years ago
@Towinkworth: you are behind ignorant
UltraMegaSmoof 2 years ago
Its actually debated that chinese martial arts stem from Europe, through India and into China where it finally was developed into what we know todays as kung-fu
se7enskies 2 years ago
that theory fails hard since researchers concluded through extant documents at shaolin and around the area that-
Huiguang and Sengchou were involved with martial arts before they became two of the very first Shaolin monks, reported as practicing martial arts before the arrival of Bodhidharma.[14] Sengchou's skill with the tin staff is even documented in the Chinese Buddhist canon.
So the theory that Damo bought indian arts via geek pankration is dubious n evidence points otherwise, must is myth.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
@se7enskies
Gotta wonder where you got that from... You do know that the Chinese civilization predates Europe's by at least 1000 years right? And that's assuming Pre-Ancient Greece of 2500 BC or older. I think you're probably thinking the other way around.
thewhoopimen 2 years ago
started in india was developed in china europe was not involved
juzblazejr 2 years ago
Why would they deveopled self defense kuz there small,when they(eastern people) were mostly the same size n lived with other asians? your logic fails! besides europeans have many martial arts as well "boxing,wreslting,fencing,savate ect ect" was it bekuz they needed self defense too kuz they were to fat and chubby? or kuz they were just as hardcore? lol
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
oh your right sorry man, it aint coz they small, but it must be coz they hardcore ppl tht u jus wudnt mess with then, or most them generally have a passion for self defense i dunno, there must be some reason, if u think of self defense and martial arts the first countrys u think of r china and japan
TOWinkworthIpswich 2 years ago
This wing chun style name is...
yeung mun wingchun, from yan lam.
this master train deng gum to hunggar line.
very good forms. very traditional
WUSHUKOELN 2 years ago
nice 2 see all you can do with wing chun. i would like to no some of the aplications of thows moves.
DANTHETUBEMAN 2 years ago
its because he is using the 1st of 5 elements! hes being stiff and hard as a rock! if an opponent was much stronger and bigger than him than he would have to be water instead of earth until he can find the killer moment to strike down like a rock
ashymashy89 2 years ago
Meh - I would rather do Tai Chi to complement a true hard art Muay-Thai.
iApna 2 years ago
woah, so stiff
Rxnszjcd 2 years ago
sin min tao ?
dilzze 2 years ago
he is good. there is no doubt about it. but in my opinion if grand master Ip Man sees this video he will ask "wow what's that sport ? i have never seen it before. " respect to all Wing Chun brothers and sisters !!!!
Hiper4o 2 years ago
This is the best win chun techniques I have seen.Great inner strength builder.I do Karate do,however always admire win chun for it's inner strength work and Chi.
SKIFTIGER 2 years ago 2
[for it's inner strength work and Chi] Skiftiger, can you give some source of info abt. this ???? thx
hgearangler 2 years ago
nice moves!
Rubixyun 2 years ago
I see the useability of these techniques
reminder that wing chun forms the basis
of jeet kun do
Without a solid understanding of wing chun you lose the foundation.
wing chun is essential
remember what may look gay can kill you
remember the woman is the superior warrior.
azkeyz 2 years ago 2
i dont think martial arts have sex distintion or age difference, i think man and woman, children and elders can practice martial arts
HappyBuddha100 2 years ago 40
@HappyBuddha100 Exactly!
thewind92 1 year ago
@HappyBuddha100
for shure they can.we can see it every day a thousand times on youtube...
GIwillo 1 year ago
@HappyBuddha100 thats not true! MEN ARE SUPURIOR!!!!!
wetchoad 1 year ago
@HappyBuddha100 Not Wing Chun buddy
BrutalTakeOver 1 year ago
@HappyBuddha100
thank you for pointing out this policy and true !!
toishanma 1 year ago
@HappyBuddha100 SERIOUS
SUPERSMASHEDED 1 year ago
what the fuck is he doing?!
This is the worst wing chun i've ever seen!
Fightsports89 2 years ago
Maybe is another style of Wing Chun. I have seen forms of Fushang wing Chun style and they are different of the Hong Kong Wing Chun Style and different of this one.
The forms are the same, but the execution is different.
Not all Wing Chung is Hong Kong Style. There are other styles of Wing Chung.
Anibal677 2 years ago
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Fightsports89 2 years ago
no centerline and does not look good at all.And i have been playing WC for 20 years.Maybe he fights better than his form dictates
gaijin70 2 years ago
Wow, Wing Chun is so gay. The worst bullshido on this planet.
4greatlulz 2 years ago
Would be cool to know this guy's lineage. I see elements of Biu Jee, Chum Kiu and (mostly) Siu Nim Tao. I doubt, though, that he is Yip Man lineage, or even Leung Jan.
Alone form his movements, I would not be sure that he is "hard" style.
His movements often cross the center line, and he takes his whole body into the movement.
I'm not sure how good he would be in a fight, but I would be very interested in his concepts.
krywult 2 years ago
quite refreshing to see another lineage of wing chun
erwinsoo2 2 years ago
excuse me, I am a girl and have tried different wing chun styles. The stronger wing chun always works better for me. Soft wing chun is NOT for girls. We like it hard.
msclitoria 2 years ago 3
Best wing chun, IMHO, is soft, when power comes in, and hard, when power goes out.
Hitting softly is no good ;-). The core of wing chun philosophy is NOT to counter force with force, but to use the force of the attacker against himself and then add one's own force.
So, to me, if someone talks about "hard wing chun", I'm not sure what he really means. Could you explain?
krywult 2 years ago
Always it must be best to use your own power. then surely when you meet somthing your body is better informed on how to move. also there must be a better compression of your strength and theirs to work off.
msclitoria 2 years ago
From how I understand wu wei,I don''t use my power going against the attacker's. I let him go where he wants,I'm just not there anymore. That's the yang of wing chun. When the way is free for me, I use his AND my power to hit him.That's the yin. Yang always has the potential for yin and vice versa. He who says wing chun is "soft", doesn't understand the basis of wing chun and Taoism.
Nevertheless, there are fighters who are harder, and others who are softer. The goal is maintaining quiescence.
krywult 2 years ago
Yes, sure you let him go where he wants but you smack him one on the way. this is a self defence system!! you need the joined compressed power of yours and his to add them together. If you just let him go..passive then you are not useing your power...
msclitoria 2 years ago
Just what I'm saying, msc. Soft where I get contact with his wepons, hard, where I get contact with the points I want to hit. Yan AND Yang.
krywult 2 years ago
Well... i always thought that a fightsport is supposed to be hard.. Stupid me....
how else can you defend yourself? What i want to say is there cannot be a soft wing chun.... In fact wing chun was invented "Ng Mui" and passed through to Wing Chun, so she could kick her 'guy-who-wanted-to-marry-her''s ass
if you ever did 'soft wing chun', then you can say that the school sucks like hell
Fightsports89 2 years ago
so, alec you do really believe the folk lore, check your history. you're the retard..check your grammar
colonelbitter 2 years ago
soft wing chun is for girls
colonelbitter 2 years ago
You just showed this whole page that your fucking retarded
congratulations
who knows their wing chun history here?
alec12 2 years ago
OMG !!! What is this ? :O It's not wing chun. I can't believe. Don't call this gymnastic wing chun.
cskaaaaaaaaaa 2 years ago