If Jesus had the exact same body and facial features then why would Thomas need to see the wounds from his execution?
Wouldn't seeing him alive suffice?
Also who is really trying to deceive, I mean, isn't it the Trinity demanding it's believers that an Eternal being can die? How does a Eternal being die?
"I tell you this, brothers: Flesh and blood can't inherit God's Kingdom, nor can [something] corruptible inherit something that's incorruptible."(1 Corinthians 15:50)
I believe your implying Thomas was not satisfied seeing his Lord's face but needed more proof by actually touching his execution marks. Talk about no faith even seeing his face!
Also the words found in verse 29 only highlights that seeing his face wasn't enough and needed to see and feel his way in order to believe.
Of course I do not agree with your interpretation but I'm quite amazed at the length you go to read into something that isn't there.
Your initial premise regarding the resurrected Jesus (or any person for that matter) only relay's that if they truly retained the same body and facial features that some still wouldn't believe. Yet I doubt you yourself would be hard-pressed to remotely doubt the resurrection of someone you knew for a certainty died then show you their face and still be vehemently reluctant to believe that person is who they say they are.
LOL, I just came across Roberts video this morning, and was just gritting my teeth as I watched it. I was glad to see you responded!! Great video!! You should try and set up a live debate with him. I wonder if he would do it? Probably not! Blessings to you my friend!
I agree, very interesting. I've been studying the tri-unity of God with the help of the Jewish people's themselves for at least 4 years, the messianic community who believe in Jesus Christ as their "HaMoshiach". One of the greatest helps for me has been "Ariel Ministries" and Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum = ariel . org
He has free studies, with audio and pdf transcripts to go with the teachings:
ariel . org/come-and-see . htm
Be blessed, and let the peace of Christ reign in your heart. xxx
Gn2:1-3"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day,and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Ex20:11; Mt12:6-8; Heb1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands"
@MALACHAI39 "You forgot the 'a' in the verse. Of course you'll yell & scream that it doesn't belong there"
The Greek word used here is "theos", or "θεός". Many believe that the "a" goes before it in Jn 1:1 because there is no definite article. (Watchtower April 1, 2009 "Is Jesus God") However, "θεός" is also found in Mk 10:18 with no definite article, but no one translates it as "a God"-just "God". No one has to "yell & scream" to point that out.
Where does the Bible use this word 'godhead"? Where does the Bible use the phrase 'The God Son"? Yet trinitarians use word/phrases not even in the Bible to support their unGodly teachings/doctrines don't they?
@MALACHAI39 You asked "Where does the Bible use this word 'godhead"?" Answer: Col 2:9 theotés: deity Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: theotés Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace) Short Definition: deity, Godhead Definition: deity, Godhead. You asked "Where does the Bible use the phrase 'The God Son"?" Answer: John 1:1 The Word (the Son) was God. Ok, now here's the part where you say...."blah" "blah" "blah" etc, etc, etc, ready? GO!
@MALACHAI39 Where in the bible are the words "God's visible organization", "theocratic warfare", "theocratic rule", the word "Jehovah" in the Greek scriptures- or for that matter the word "Jehovah" in the first place? Looks like Jehovah's Witnesses use word/phrases not even in the Bible to support their unGodly teachings/doctrines don't they?
@TheSnarkyApologist hey snarky, where is the word bible in the bible or the word theocratic? its not there but the jws are a theocratic organization...hmmmm
@MALACHAI39 Acts 17:29, 2 Pet 1:3-4 uses "theios" (G2304). In Col 2:9, you have "theotēs" (G2320). Rom 1:20 has "theiotēs" (G2305). These can be translated "Godhead", "divine", or "deity"-depending on which one you're talking about.
In Gen.16 the Bible clearly tells us its an angelic messanger, not so with Gen.18. Yes, Sarah says YHWH spoke to her but its within the context of the previous text which clearly shows it was thru an angel. Also notice that at Gen 16 Hagar is the one who says she spoke with YHWH, so in this instance it is a case of...as you put it... "people whom are calling them Jehovah". But this is not the case with Gen.18 where its actually the Bible that says "Jehovah appeared to him (Abraham)". Gen.18:1
@TheSnarkyApologist There is a huge difference between your begotten God and My God, your God was begotten and died, My God is unbegotten(uncreated) and undying Alone. My God gave your begotten God life, My God lives by his own power, your begotten God lives by My God's power forever.
@JesusTheMonotheist My God "put on flesh and dwelt among us" so that he could conquer sin and death (the last enemy Cor 15.) So that GOD may be all in all.
Without the shedding of blood, there is NO forgiveness of sin.
MY God put on flesh(John 1:14) died for my sins (Rom 5:8) then raised himself from the dead(John 2:19
@TheSnarkyApologist My God(Jhn 20:17) didn't put on flesh he alone is immutable(Jam 1:17). He sent his son(Gal 4:4-5) clothed him with flesh(Hbr 10:5) to die for My sins on the Cross as a mortal man(Mat 27:46) received immortality(Hbr 7:16) by the one who alone is immortal(undying)[1Ti 6:16; Mal 3:6] and he lives forever by his God's power(2Cr 13:4). He has a God(Rev 3:12) in heaven where he is at his right hand(Act 7:55).
@TheSnarkyApologist "I said: and he(Jesus) lives forever by his God's power(2Cr 13:4). He has a God(Rev 3:12) in heaven where he is at his right hand(Act 7:55).
Yes, Jesus is monotheistic, he said of his Father: And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[ monos alone (without a companion)] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Which means Jesus didn't die for your sins because he was alive while he was dead, read -->Rev 1:18 "I [am] He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
2Cr 13:4 For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God...
Jesus doesn't live of his own power he lives by his God's power.
@JesusTheMonotheist Which means Jesus didn't die for your sins because he was alive while he was dead,
Ah really? Come on! I find it really hard to believe that no Christian has already not taught you that this was dealing with his body. I REALLY find it hard to believe. No one can be this dumb. I know, I'll answer this question, then I'll find you on here next week asking the same dumb question again. Is it that you are that stupid, or blind? Pick one.
@Josiahvidz For you will not leave my soul in She′ol.
This is just saying that Jesus did not have the same fate that all men do when they die, before the resurrection. (Luke 16:20-28) but his physical body was resurrected. That's why Psalms 16:10 is being quoted in Acts 2:27 is preceded by Vs 26 "my flesh also will live in HOPE."
In hope of what Josiah? What will is his flesh in hope of? Being resurrected maybe?
@Josiahvidz Oh and please don't twist this into what JW's believe a soul is we are dealing with what a christian believes the soul is.
If the soul is just the life force within the body, why does matt 10:28 tell us that the Soul can survive the Body? "...do not fear those who kill the boud but are UNABLE to kill the Soul..." How can the Soul live on without the Body?
Answer the question, don't change the subject, just answer the question.
@JesusTheMonotheist This is what I'm talking about. It isn't that the Bible doesn't say that Christ raised himself up from the dead. You're just following the god of certain scriptures. Blind guide.
@pretoshohmoofc Why must you lie to prove your point? Roman 8:11 does not say the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead. It says "The spirit of him" whom raised Jesus from the dead.
the ((Spirit of him)) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you. Rom 8:11
Who do you think the "him" is here in this scripture. It is none other than Jesus's God and Father Jehovah.
@Josiahvidz Roman 8:11 does not say the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead.
Keep reading the VERY SAME VERSE Josiah!!!! "through HIS SPIRIT. Vs 27 sums this up, "and he who searches the hearts knows what the nid of the spirit is, because HE (The Holy Spririt) intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."
The Holy Spirit does this according to God's will. Or is in accord with the Father's will.
Stop reading your Bible like a dictionary, and start to read it like a book.
@Josiahvidz Romans 8:27 tells us that the Sprirt INTERCEDES for us, To intercede is to plead on another's behalf. Who is he pleading to? Himself?!?!? Why? Because Vs 26 is telling us that we Chrsitians don't know how to pray as we should to God the Father so the Holy Sprirt intercedes for us. On our behalf to God the Father. Clearly the Father isn't interceding for us to help us to to pray to himself.
We have already answered you on this. I know I have. This is why we keep on killing you arians on here because you keep on misrepresenting our beliefs and wekeep on hitting your beliefs right on the mark. Night after night, you keep getting your flesh ripped off, and handed back to you.
Your ladders leaning on the wrong building trying to use John 17:3. But using YOUR inconsistent logic, then...
Jude 4 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our ***ONLY***Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.
ONLY Jesus is our Lord, which throws Jehovah off the bus my friend.
@JesusTheMonotheist Just as an FYI.... "TRUE" in John 17:3 = Alethinos. It has 2 connotations. (1) In the sense of possessed by the master and NOT the copies - Hebrews 8:2 and 9:24. (2) In the sense of "real" vs "imaginary". Obviously, you'd prefer (1) be used here at John 17:3. The Lexicons tell us...IT IS NOT! The Lexicons selected (2) for John 17:3 "real" vs "imaginary" Jesus is NOT contrasting himself to the Father, but the Father to false gods. Blessings! ; )
@TheSnarkyApologist ------>Jesus is NOT contrasting himself to the Father, but the Father to false gods.
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[monos alone (without a companion)] true God, - Jesus is excluding himself from the only true God - and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus is an exact copy/reproduction - Col 1:15; Hebrews 1:3. Shalom!!!
Your God is just the parts of the Bible that you choose to except. My God is the obervation of scripture. Oh, BTW, Why do you call yourself a Monotheist if you believe in more than one god?
@pretoshohmoofc --->Your God is just the parts of the Bible that you choose to except.
Jhn 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[ monos alone (without a companion)] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus said there is only(One) true God, to bad for you, you have extra parts. Do you play a lot with Legos?
Not that many more things are funnier than modern fella assuming Trinitarianism when it comes to the Bible. Thomas and Jesus both spoke Hebrew but we both know why you Trinitarians shiver of the thought of how easily it would be to brush off the Trinitarian position on John 20:28 as just an assumption.
@TrinityEqualsHell So that makes all the active JWs who block everyone who disagrees with them, dictators who practice censorship and blocking, as well. Cool, at least I know the reasons for it now, I just thought they were afraid.
I just love how the JW's says Jesus was a God/god. when God says there is no other gods.
We know that God (Jahve) called the jews /priests for gods. but that was not in a uplifting way. Yet the JW's is stuck, stuck believing that Jesus is "a god", when all other Gods but Jahve is false gods.
BTW, FANTASTIC video, maybe the WT and JW's will start telling another story soon.
Who knows, it just keeps getting brighter and brighter.
@MrBallonger Brighter and brighter like phospherous in a dark room. The only light coming from without, as they let a little bit in at a time, while disdaining all who are already In the light.
All he really did was do the Mexican Hat Dance around Jn 20:17 and 20:31, and barf up the Witchtower's "Well, he was **a** god, so Thomas called him **His** god!"
No, that doesn't make Thomas a polytheist or anything; nope, not a bit.
Way to stomp a mudhole in this arrogant man, Bill!
On several occasions i've actually tried to help King out in giving him ever better arguments to use against the Trinity (as he seems to love constructing strawmen and bad arguments), but the man is incapable of hearing anything.
This isn't the snarkiest of your videos, but I enjoyed it. Just a comment: The Godhead seems to make it a practice of calling each other God. Therefore it wasn't strange for Jesus to tell Mary He was going to God. In Hebrews chapter 1, God the Father is talking and says this in verse 8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The NWT does not render it thus, but that word God is THEOS.
YOU CAUGHT THAT!!! I like to "drop" little things like that in the vids from time to time. Sort of like Stan Lee showing up in some of his movies, or Alfred Hitchcock...lol....
@TheSnarkyApologist With all of his attempt to reason away "ho theos" in John 20:28 after all his talking; I went back to the verse in greek and there it STILL WAS. It didn't disappear off the page , all he did was erased it from his own mind. So now when he reads John 20:28 "The God" never seems to get from his own eyes to his brain. And he is trying to teach you to do the same. i.e fool yourself.
Ex20:1-5 “I am Jehovah your God,who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.You must not have any other gods against my face...You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them"
Jdgs2:1 "Then JEHOVAH'S ANGEL ...SAID:"I proceeded to bring YOU up out of Egypt and to bring YOU into the land about which I swore to YOUR forefathers. Furthermore, I said, 'Never shall I break my covenant with YOU"
JWs & bobby, you must not have any other gods against who's face?
Well done. I like this video where you go point by point in reply to false teaching. Also, the music volume was low and it was not overproduced :) Simple and hopefully it will help a JW come to salvation in Christ.
@Josiahvidz As a man (which is was) he was submissive too God in heaven. He humbled himself. (Phil.2:8) If he humbled himself when he became a man, what did he humble himself from? From existing in "Gods form" Phil. 2:6. There would have been no need to humble himself, unless he was God.
@earnestlyseeking Yeah Yeah, we all know about your 2 Jesus theory, how Jesus if fully god and fully man, but the fact of the matter is you cannot be "fully" onething while being "fully" another as it defeats the purpose of the word fully. I am sure there is a big excuse which the trintiy allows for but whatever.
Why did Phil not say he "existed as God" would that not be easier? It is because he went from"Gods form" to a "slaves form"(man) that is how he humbled himself.
@earnestlyseeking LOL!! "Are you fully male and fully human? Or are you only human?"
Are you serious with this comment? The word "human" has the word "man" in it. Under the definition of the word man it says "a human being; person". These words mean the same thing. When you say Jesus is fully God and fully man it is like saying we fully man and fully reptile. I hope you were not serious with this comment.
@Josiahvidz "Why did Phil not say he "existed as God" would that not be easier? It is because he went from"Gods form" to a "slaves form"(man) that is how he humbled himself."
Your right, but you forgot to add (God) after "Gods form" like you added (man) after "slaves form".
@thardin69 No I did not forget because Phil mentions that being in a "Slaves form" means taken the likness of men, but it does not say being in "Gods form" means you must be God. This is something people read into the text which simply is not there.
@Josiahvidz So what "form" did God come from? You'll have to explain what a "form" of God or anything (for that matter) is. Some translations say nature. What I get is Jesus has the same nature/form as God. We know the father isn't the son. What your saying is Jesus isn't man either, (just a form of).
@thardin69 The bible says "God is a spirit" Joh 4:24. Jesus was a spirit creature before becoming a man. When he existed as a spirit he existed in "Gods form". Jesus then humbled himself and took on a slaves form and became a man. very simple, very easy.
Now in the trinity 2 Jesus theory he did not empty himself, he merely took on another form in addition to the godly form he already had which means he did not really humble himself if he never gave up his godly position.
@pretoshohmoofc I have never understood how Jesus worshipers can believe Jesus is God and try to use Heb 2:5 against JW's. How is it you guys believe Jesus is God and yet he had to have all things subjected to him, or is just that he subjected all things just to his human side? LOL
@Josiahvidz Interesting. Would it change anything for you if you clearly saw that Jesus was indeed worshipped, and the NWT was translated to hide that fact? And to answer your question, yes he can have a god in the sense that he was in subjection to the Father while a human on Earth.
@Josiahvidz and please remember when throwing around the term "Jesus worshippers" as if it's some sort of insult, Jehovah's Witnesses worshipped Jesus until 1954 before they became a polytheist religion.
@Josiahvidz You would do well to ask yourself why of the 55 times 'proskuneo' is found in the Greek scriptures, when used in reference to Jesus, the NWT translates it as "obeisance". When used in refrence to the Father, angels, the devil, or anyone else, it is translated by the NWT as "worship", EVERY TIME. Please fact check me, it's very important that you realize this.
@CrazySurvivalist Gee this is the first time I have ever heard this one.(sarcasm)
Proskuneo does not mean literal worship. Look it up for yourself.
Good for the NWT. They know that context is what determines how to translate proskuneo. Worship is only given to the true God and Jesus addressed who that was in his prayer to his father when he said that his father was the "Only true God"John 17:3
Just as an FYI.... "TRUE" in John 17:3 = Alethinos. It has 2 connotations. (1) In the sense of possessed by the master and NOT the copies - as seen in Hebrews 8:2 and 9:24. OR, (2) In the sense of "real" vs "imaginary". Obviously, you'd prefer (1) be used here at John 17:3. The Lexicons tell us...NO DICE! IT IS NOT! The Lexicons selected (2) for John 17:3 "real" vs "imaginary" Jesus is NOT contrasting himself to the Father, but the Father to false gods. Blessings! ; )
Bill this may b a nice little trinity excuse 4 u but Jesus was not comparing the Father 2 any other God. He was telling them how he was gonna b leaving shortly, but 2 remember that he came 2 glorify his God n Father n that was the important thing that they know it was the father whom loved these people and sent his son to redeem them, and that was his soul purpose 2 bring honor n praise 2 the true God n father of Jesus Christ. He was praying that God could see this was true.
@Josiahvidz I have a simple question for you. Is there one or two kingdoms? The Watchtower proclaims that they are announcing Jehovah's Kingdom? Jesus said in John 18:36 "My kingdom is not of this world?" Which is it? Before you run to 1 Cor 15:24-28 you might want to do a little bit of research? =)
@1914watcher I don't think I have to say anything. I think it is explained by you here. Jesus Kingdom is Jehovah's because he turns over all things to his God and Father so he can be all things to all people.
@Josiahvidz Are you sure? I mentioned that scripture for a reason, I knew you would reason with that scripture. I've gotta get ready for work, but I''ll come back to this later this evening.
Real quick.. Who's your picks to go to the Superbowl?
@1914watcher Morning, you know I'm sure you have a little trick up your sleeve as most do with these kinds of questions, but I always want to hear what you got.
Since the Pats beat my Broncos I gotta go with them. That 2 TE offense is unstopable. 49ers vs Pats'
@Josiahvidz Come on Josiah, just answer the question. If Jesus is an angel, and that all things will be subjected to him, why does it say in Heb 2:5 that this world will NOT be subjected to angels?
@pretoshohmoofc I answered your question. Heb 2:7 proves the fact that Jesus was a man when he inherited all these things, whether you believe it or not there it is in black and white. Sorry dude.
You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.
@Josiahvidz Well heb 1:3 tells us that "...when he had made pruification of sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high," So according to Hebrews chapter one, this is after his resurrection so you yourself just disproved WT doctrine. chapter one leads into chapter two.
@pretoshohmoofc Well I must be honest I don't see how this does anything for what we were talking about and maybe you can expound on it, but whatever!! I guess at least your off of your little Heb 2:5 card trick. LOL
@Josiahvidz So please answer the question or i'll know that I am right. How can Jesus STILL be a man in hebrews chapter 2 if Chapter 1 reveals that this is post his resurrection.
@Josiahvidz As for the subjected thing. If I answer this, will you then take this as the answer, or will you use it again to duck out my original question that I asked?
In phil 2:7 it tells us that Jesus emptied himself taking the FORM (morphe) of a bond-servant, and being made in the likemess of men.
Was Jesus 50% human or 100% human?
If morphe means nature or form.
Was Jesus 20%,50% or 100% in the form of God?
There is a contradiction in your doctrine, you have no problem believing that Jesus was100% human but reject him being 100% God yet, the same word is being used for both.
@pretoshohmoofc No there is no contradiction at all. Existing in Gods form simply means he existed as a spirit creature just as God did, and then came to be in a slaves form man.
The trinity believes he simply became a man in addition to being God so he never emptied himself as the scripture states he simply took on 2 forms at one time.
@Josiahvidz Good point.. Interesting, too, how in the Odes of Solomon Adam is said to have been in God's form, though, obviously, never inferring that the man of dust was Jehovah God.
@1914watcher That "Jehovah" is either an angel or all 3 angels. (compare Tg. Ps-J Gen 18 and Josephus in his Antiquities Book 1, Chapter 11) There is additional evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls but I lack the reference at the moment. But apart from Gen 18, other angels are also called "Jehovah." For example, see Zechariah 3:1-3.
@IvanDefendingTruth Well, I have to disagree. In Gen18:2 Abraham see's 3 men. 1 of the 3 represents himself as Jehovah. In Gen 19:1 the "Two" other men are said to be angels, but "Jehovah" stayed behind with Abraham in Gen 18? There is a difference between Zechariah 3:1-3 and Gen 18. In Zechariah 3:1-3 we see that the angel of Jehovah is identified as a "Angel." Can you show me where any angels have ever represented themselves as "Jehovah" in scripture?
@1914watcher Well, I have to disagree with you also. U claim that one of the angels represents himself as Jehovah, but I don't see anywhere in Gen 18 where any angels says "I am Jehovah", also when Abraham spoke to them in vs 3 and said ("Then he said: “Jehovah") not just one answered, they all answered in vs 5 ("At this they said") proving that not one but all were representing Jehovah. Lot also refered to the 2 men in Sodom as God in Gen 19:18.
@Josiahvidz read the rest of the chapter, vs 10-22. especially note 22. Isnt it obvious that one of the three stands alone being identified as Jehovah? Who else but Jesus could have the authority to fully represent and identify himself as Jehovah? Is he not the Word of God? Angels always clearly identify themselves as angels. Be careful because you are making the Jehovah who spoke to Abraham sound alot like a trinity of three angels!
@peaceintruth I have read it many times, but made sure to read it again ever since I saw this comment made to me and just because it says "Jehovah said" does not mean that angel is Jehovah. Also no I am not making him sound like a trinity. Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3 and assume as much. The bible states that 2 or 3 witnesses were evidentally needed which the law later states. Deut 19:15; 1Tim 5:19
@Josiahvidz "Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3 and assume as much"
"“They say that it is sufficient to read the bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago." August 15, 1981 Watchtower
@Josiahvidz My point? You said "Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3." I quoted from a watchtower article that said reading the bible alone teaches the "trinity" doctrine. Read Gen 18 again and use your fingers this time
@1914watcher You really need to go back and read that article because it is not saying that if they simply read the bible they will develop the beleif in the trinity. They are saying apostates want JW's to become seperate from the flock so they can corrupt there thinking or so that they will revert back to previous teachings.
"these haughty ones try to draw the “sheep” away from the one international “flock” that Jesus has gathered in the earth"
@Josiahvidz "You really need to go back and read that article because it is not saying that if they simply read the bible they will develop the beleif in the trinity."
You're correct, What they are really saying is, You need Watchtower publications to understand the bible, right? Is the bible the inspired of God, or the Watchtower publications? =)
@Josiahvidz so think about this...does the Father just let any old angel run around identifying himself by the sacred name YHWH (Jehovah). Have a look at Heb.7:2 and Gen.12:7. The Bible is always perfectly clear when relating how God communicated with his servants, be it in a vision, a dream, by an angelic messanger or by appearing himself. Now we know it cannot be the Father who appeared as YHWH, so who was it? Do you see how only Jesus could have the authority to do that?
@peaceintruth Think about this, does any of them angels ever really say they are here to represent Jehovah or is it just people whom are calling them Jehovah? Think about this, when Hagar met the angel at the welll the bible clearly says it was an angel Gen 16:7 but then later the bible says Hagar was talking to Jehovah.Gen 16:13 Which is true, was she talking to a angel or Jehovah? Christians don't believe Jesus was an angel, but believe he was the angel of the Lord. sounds fishy
@Josiahvidz I cannot speak for what others may believe but personally I dont believe Jesus was an angel in that he was not created as they were and also he is not of the same "kind" as them. He and his Father are distictly unique from the heavenly beings they created. He can be said to be the "angel of the Lord" in the sence of being a messenger for the Father, actually the foremost messenger.... but still distict from the heavenly creatures we commonly term as "angels"
@Josiahvidz The danger in relegating Jesus to that of a mere angel can be demonstrated by an experiance I had with a long time (40+yrs) elder. During a discussion about transforming our personalities to reflect Christs', he expressed that the only reason we follow Jesus as our exampler is because he was the angel who came down. If it had happened to be another angel, then we would be following that angels personality and example! True story...I was still an active witness and I was floored!
@peaceintruth Maybe you should have asked if we should follow the example of the two angels who came to Sodom and Gomorrah? (They were material for they ate the food Lot cooked.) Or, maybe the angel that appeared to Gideon. (Remember how he used the staff he was holding to touch the food Gideon brought to him)
@rpierre777 Hello, and thanks for your reply. The Elder was reasoning that Jesus was just an angel who volenteered to come down AND to die for our sins. His reasoning is that the angels must all have differant personalities and that if a differant angel had died for us then God would be asking us to reflect that angels personality. Guess he forgot about John14:9, Heb.1:3 and Col.1:15. Sorry I wasnt more clear, youtube dosent give much comment space so I had to cut it down.
@Josiahvidz No problem, but you never did answer me when I repeatedly asked you if you felt that Hippolytus and other Early Church Fathers were MONOtheists or POLYtheists.
Would you like to address that question here Richard?
@TheSnarkyApologist >>>My uncle had it, but the doctors said penicillin would clear it up.
Bill, as a Pharmacist, I must correct you...Hippolytus tends to resist penicillin these days...it tends to require a broader spectrum, Quinolone type antibiotic.
@Josiahvidz Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
@Josiahvidz 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: "God was manifest in the flesh", justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory....Jesus is God. (P.S. Don't read the newer translations, authorized KJV only, newer translations are doctrines of devils, removing scripture and twisting them to make God look evil. In newer translations, God approves of rape in Deuteronomy, but not in my Bible.
Some points that could also be made, are that going through walls or teleporting was not just done after the resurrection by Jesus. A few times when a crowd cornered him at a cliff or grabbed him to stone him, he also did this. Now it's easy to say he escaped naturally like anyone could, but that really depends on wanting to believe so.
@hilldiggity Well I'm not sure how retroactive Tolkein stories would have been to that point, but if so, the people with those rings were inside the earth.
Let's see if I've got this straight... Jesus isn't God, but he is "a" god. And there are no other gods but Jehovah and it was ok for Thomas to call Jesus his God even though he wasn't God, because he'd walked through a wall. Also, Jesus recreated his wounds so Thomas would believe, so those wounds were not where he was pierced, rather they were copies of them. Finally, it's not possible to be mistaken about who someone is when it's dark and you're not looking at them. Ok, I think I get it!!!
bobby boy claims to be a prophet of Jehovah, and tells us to go after other gods and commit idolatry. Jehovah God tells us not to listen to bobby boy:
Deu 13:1-3 "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams rises among you ...saying, Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams. For Jehovah your God is testing you, to know if you love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
If Jesus had the exact same body and facial features then why would Thomas need to see the wounds from his execution?
Wouldn't seeing him alive suffice?
Also who is really trying to deceive, I mean, isn't it the Trinity demanding it's believers that an Eternal being can die? How does a Eternal being die?
"I tell you this, brothers: Flesh and blood can't inherit God's Kingdom, nor can [something] corruptible inherit something that's incorruptible."(1 Corinthians 15:50)
ytany84 2 weeks ago
@ytany84
"If Jesus had the exact same body and facial features then why would Thomas need to see the wounds from his execution?"
(The Bible is silent on whether Thomas ACTUALLY "examined" Jesus.)
"Wouldn't seeing him alive suffice?"
It appears it was. 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
(Jesus tells us that Thomas SAW him. A THAT point, Thomas may not have needed anything more)
Blessings!
TheSnarkyApologist 2 weeks ago
@TheSnarkyApologist
I believe your implying Thomas was not satisfied seeing his Lord's face but needed more proof by actually touching his execution marks. Talk about no faith even seeing his face!
Also the words found in verse 29 only highlights that seeing his face wasn't enough and needed to see and feel his way in order to believe.
Of course I do not agree with your interpretation but I'm quite amazed at the length you go to read into something that isn't there.
ytany84 2 weeks ago
@TheSnarkyApologist
Your initial premise regarding the resurrected Jesus (or any person for that matter) only relay's that if they truly retained the same body and facial features that some still wouldn't believe. Yet I doubt you yourself would be hard-pressed to remotely doubt the resurrection of someone you knew for a certainty died then show you their face and still be vehemently reluctant to believe that person is who they say they are.
But there it is...
ytany84 2 weeks ago
Snap!!
JC4U21 4 weeks ago
arrrrrrrr,forgot his blindness!he even scratchs his head with disbelief what he just said.father contain my toung i don't curse this arrrrrrrr.
jhweh2007 1 month ago
LOL, I just came across Roberts video this morning, and was just gritting my teeth as I watched it. I was glad to see you responded!! Great video!! You should try and set up a live debate with him. I wonder if he would do it? Probably not! Blessings to you my friend!
Haukman66 1 month ago
bobby boy quotes Jesus >"...My God and your God" Jn20:17
Amen! Son addresses Father as His God, and our God.
TRUTH = The Lord our God, addresses the Lord our God, as "God" and "Lord":
Son called His Father "God" [THEOS] Jn20:17, and "Lord" [KURIOS] Mt11:25;Lk10:21
Father called His Son "God" [THEOS] Heb1:8-9; and "Lord" [KURIOS] Lk2:11;Heb1:10-11
"God" IS "Lord"
Ac2:39 "the Lord [KURIOS] our God [THEOS]"; 4:24 "Lord [KURIOS], thou art God [THEOS]"; 17:24 "God [THEOS]...he is Lord [KURIOS]"
barbsinclair 1 month ago
@barbsinclair and the father call the son GOD in hebrews 1:8. yet the bible states in isa 43:10. there is only 1 GOD, interesting..
jtimmis 1 month ago
@jtimmis
I agree, very interesting. I've been studying the tri-unity of God with the help of the Jewish people's themselves for at least 4 years, the messianic community who believe in Jesus Christ as their "HaMoshiach". One of the greatest helps for me has been "Ariel Ministries" and Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum = ariel . org
He has free studies, with audio and pdf transcripts to go with the teachings:
ariel . org/come-and-see . htm
Be blessed, and let the peace of Christ reign in your heart. xxx
barbsinclair 1 month ago
notice how ole bobby boy doesn't talk with his face straight forward, he points his face down to the ground, and peers up with his eyes...
creepy
barbsinclair 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist
Col 4:6 Let YOUR utterance be always with graciousness, seasoned with salt, so as to know how YOU ought to give an answer to each one.
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It truly is a shame to see a man of your age using laughter as a tool to ridicule someone. And that's Godly behavior to you?
MALACHAI39 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39
Ok, perhaps you'd prefer "whitewashed tombs" just to quote a good friend of mine ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39 >"It truly is a shame to see a man of your age using laughter as a tool to ridicule someone."
Was Elijah a man of Bill's age? Read how Elijah behaved to the prophets of Baal in 1Ki 18:27 "Elijah mocked [deride] them"
Elijah was a Snarky Apologist for Almighty God and mocked the false prophets by the power of Almighty God.
As the prophets of Baal, Robert King claims to be a prophet of "a god"
So as Elijah of old, the people of the true living God today can mock all false prophets
barbsinclair 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39 by their fruits we shall know them. he is young
alamo11 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist
ht tp:// heavenawaits.wordpress. com/jesus-and-his-relationship-with-the-father-god/
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Apparently "Godhead" isn't the most accurate word 2 use. Then again, u guys want 2 make something stand that doesn't belong.
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John 1:1..and the Word was a god
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You forgot the 'a' in the verse. Of course you'll yell & scream that it doesn't belong there.
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So who's the created being? God or Son of God?
MALACHAI39 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39
hahahahahahahahaha
"John 1:1..and the Word was a god"
hahahahahahahahaha
yeah....that's REAL LEGIT!!!!! hahahahahahahahahaha
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39
You stated...
John 1:1..and the Word was a god
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"You forgot the 'a' in the verse. Of course you'll yell & scream that it doesn't belong there."
Thanks, but I'll stick with the ORTHODOX Biblical interpretation.
You can "walk on the wild side if you like ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39
Gn2:1-3"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished,and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day,and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Ex20:11; Mt12:6-8; Heb1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands"
barbsinclair 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39 "You forgot the 'a' in the verse. Of course you'll yell & scream that it doesn't belong there"
The Greek word used here is "theos", or "θεός". Many believe that the "a" goes before it in Jn 1:1 because there is no definite article. (Watchtower April 1, 2009 "Is Jesus God") However, "θεός" is also found in Mk 10:18 with no definite article, but no one translates it as "a God"-just "God". No one has to "yell & scream" to point that out.
rpierre777 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist
Where does the Bible use this word 'godhead"? Where does the Bible use the phrase 'The God Son"? Yet trinitarians use word/phrases not even in the Bible to support their unGodly teachings/doctrines don't they?
MALACHAI39 1 month ago
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago 4
@MALACHAI39 Where in the bible are the words "God's visible organization", "theocratic warfare", "theocratic rule", the word "Jehovah" in the Greek scriptures- or for that matter the word "Jehovah" in the first place? Looks like Jehovah's Witnesses use word/phrases not even in the Bible to support their unGodly teachings/doctrines don't they?
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39 where does the Bible use "a" god for Jesus...hahahahahaha.......
invent much? lol.......lol.....
Time to AWAKE my friend!
AWAKE!!! GET IT???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
YOU are a victim of your organizations own tactics! YOU are a victim of
"Theocratic Warfare"..........(sad......cries.....tears.....heart rendered...............
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist hey snarky, where is the word bible in the bible or the word theocratic? its not there but the jws are a theocratic organization...hmmmm
jtimmis 1 month ago
@MALACHAI39 Acts 17:29, 2 Pet 1:3-4 uses "theios" (G2304). In Col 2:9, you have "theotēs" (G2320). Rom 1:20 has "theiotēs" (G2305). These can be translated "Godhead", "divine", or "deity"-depending on which one you're talking about.
rpierre777 1 month ago
In Gen.16 the Bible clearly tells us its an angelic messanger, not so with Gen.18. Yes, Sarah says YHWH spoke to her but its within the context of the previous text which clearly shows it was thru an angel. Also notice that at Gen 16 Hagar is the one who says she spoke with YHWH, so in this instance it is a case of...as you put it... "people whom are calling them Jehovah". But this is not the case with Gen.18 where its actually the Bible that says "Jehovah appeared to him (Abraham)". Gen.18:1
peaceintruth 1 month ago
The SnarkyApologist Loosey Goosey Paraphrase...Hahahaha =) :57
1914watcher 1 month ago
Who's Robert King? Is he an Emergent Church guy?
QuakeCityRockers 1 month ago
@QuakeCityRockers
No he's TRYING to be a DEtergent Church Guy...but he's all washed up! GET IT? hahahah
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
"...Jesus recreated his wounds...", oh my...
alekempire2000 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist There is a huge difference between your begotten God and My God, your God was begotten and died, My God is unbegotten(uncreated) and undying Alone. My God gave your begotten God life, My God lives by his own power, your begotten God lives by My God's power forever.
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist This is true. Jehovah did die.
thardin69 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist My God "put on flesh and dwelt among us" so that he could conquer sin and death (the last enemy Cor 15.) So that GOD may be all in all.
Without the shedding of blood, there is NO forgiveness of sin.
MY God put on flesh(John 1:14) died for my sins (Rom 5:8) then raised himself from the dead(John 2:19
He didn't create an angel to take the hit.
He didn't refuse to get HIS hands dirty.
He didn't use a human body shield.
HE is GOD in Flesh
Col 2:9
AMEN!
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago 3
@TheSnarkyApologist My God(Jhn 20:17) didn't put on flesh he alone is immutable(Jam 1:17). He sent his son(Gal 4:4-5) clothed him with flesh(Hbr 10:5) to die for My sins on the Cross as a mortal man(Mat 27:46) received immortality(Hbr 7:16) by the one who alone is immortal(undying)[1Ti 6:16; Mal 3:6] and he lives forever by his God's power(2Cr 13:4). He has a God(Rev 3:12) in heaven where he is at his right hand(Act 7:55).
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist
you stated "My God...lives forever by his God's power".
hmmmmm.......My God is monotheistic!
My Jesus is monotheistic also!
CHECKMATE!
Blessings!
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist "I said: and he(Jesus) lives forever by his God's power(2Cr 13:4). He has a God(Rev 3:12) in heaven where he is at his right hand(Act 7:55).
Yes, Jesus is monotheistic, he said of his Father: And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[ monos alone (without a companion)] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Shalom!!!
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist But don't you believe that Jesus is also a god too? So don't that make you a polythiest?
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist 2 Cor 13:4. Context, context!!! God raised him up from the dead.
Jesus raised himself John 2:19-21.
The Father raised him Rom 10:9
The Holy spirit raised him. Rom 8:11
So God DID raise him from the Dead. all three of them.
But you knew that didn't you? You just ignore our answers and ask again waisting everbody's time, including your own.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc Jesus raised himself John 2:19-21.
Which means Jesus didn't die for your sins because he was alive while he was dead, read -->Rev 1:18 "I [am] He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
2Cr 13:4 For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God...
Jesus doesn't live of his own power he lives by his God's power.
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist Which means Jesus didn't die for your sins because he was alive while he was dead,
Ah really? Come on! I find it really hard to believe that no Christian has already not taught you that this was dealing with his body. I REALLY find it hard to believe. No one can be this dumb. I know, I'll answer this question, then I'll find you on here next week asking the same dumb question again. Is it that you are that stupid, or blind? Pick one.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc "this was dealing with his body"
For you will not leave my soul in She′ol.
You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit. Psalm 16:10
Did not Jesus fulfill this prophecy when he surrendered not just his body but his soul. John 10:11
Oh and please don't twist this into what JW's believe a soul is we are dealing with what a christian believes the soul is.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz For you will not leave my soul in She′ol.
This is just saying that Jesus did not have the same fate that all men do when they die, before the resurrection. (Luke 16:20-28) but his physical body was resurrected. That's why Psalms 16:10 is being quoted in Acts 2:27 is preceded by Vs 26 "my flesh also will live in HOPE."
In hope of what Josiah? What will is his flesh in hope of? Being resurrected maybe?
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Oh and please don't twist this into what JW's believe a soul is we are dealing with what a christian believes the soul is.
If the soul is just the life force within the body, why does matt 10:28 tell us that the Soul can survive the Body? "...do not fear those who kill the boud but are UNABLE to kill the Soul..." How can the Soul live on without the Body?
Answer the question, don't change the subject, just answer the question.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist This is what I'm talking about. It isn't that the Bible doesn't say that Christ raised himself up from the dead. You're just following the god of certain scriptures. Blind guide.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc Why must you lie to prove your point? Roman 8:11 does not say the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead. It says "The spirit of him" whom raised Jesus from the dead.
the ((Spirit of him)) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you. Rom 8:11
Who do you think the "him" is here in this scripture. It is none other than Jesus's God and Father Jehovah.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Roman 8:11 does not say the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead.
Keep reading the VERY SAME VERSE Josiah!!!! "through HIS SPIRIT. Vs 27 sums this up, "and he who searches the hearts knows what the nid of the spirit is, because HE (The Holy Spririt) intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."
The Holy Spirit does this according to God's will. Or is in accord with the Father's will.
Stop reading your Bible like a dictionary, and start to read it like a book.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Romans 8:27 tells us that the Sprirt INTERCEDES for us, To intercede is to plead on another's behalf. Who is he pleading to? Himself?!?!? Why? Because Vs 26 is telling us that we Chrsitians don't know how to pray as we should to God the Father so the Holy Sprirt intercedes for us. On our behalf to God the Father. Clearly the Father isn't interceding for us to help us to to pray to himself.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist (Rev 3:12)
We have already answered you on this. I know I have. This is why we keep on killing you arians on here because you keep on misrepresenting our beliefs and wekeep on hitting your beliefs right on the mark. Night after night, you keep getting your flesh ripped off, and handed back to you.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist
Your ladders leaning on the wrong building trying to use John 17:3. But using YOUR inconsistent logic, then...
Jude 4 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our ***ONLY***Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.
ONLY Jesus is our Lord, which throws Jehovah off the bus my friend.
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
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@TheSnarkyApologist ------>Jesus is NOT contrasting himself to the Father, but the Father to false gods.
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[monos alone (without a companion)] true God, - Jesus is excluding himself from the only true God - and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus is an exact copy/reproduction - Col 1:15; Hebrews 1:3. Shalom!!!
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
@JesusTheMonotheist your God was begotten and died,
Your God is just the parts of the Bible that you choose to except. My God is the obervation of scripture. Oh, BTW, Why do you call yourself a Monotheist if you believe in more than one god?
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
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@pretoshohmoofc --->Your God is just the parts of the Bible that you choose to except.
Jhn 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only[ monos alone (without a companion)] true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jesus said there is only(One) true God, to bad for you, you have extra parts. Do you play a lot with Legos?
JesusTheMonotheist 1 month ago
Not that many more things are funnier than modern fella assuming Trinitarianism when it comes to the Bible. Thomas and Jesus both spoke Hebrew but we both know why you Trinitarians shiver of the thought of how easily it would be to brush off the Trinitarian position on John 20:28 as just an assumption.
TrinityEqualsHell 1 month ago
Your statement was vague,nebulous, and unintelligible....wanna have another go round'? But this time, think before you speak.
Thanks ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago 2
@TheSnarkyApologist It was meant to be vague, for you're a dictator who pratices censorship and blocking.
TrinityEqualsHell 1 month ago
@TrinityEqualsHell
who did I block?
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TrinityEqualsHell So that makes all the active JWs who block everyone who disagrees with them, dictators who practice censorship and blocking, as well. Cool, at least I know the reasons for it now, I just thought they were afraid.
Danmera 1 month ago
I just love how the JW's says Jesus was a God/god. when God says there is no other gods.
We know that God (Jahve) called the jews /priests for gods. but that was not in a uplifting way. Yet the JW's is stuck, stuck believing that Jesus is "a god", when all other Gods but Jahve is false gods.
BTW, FANTASTIC video, maybe the WT and JW's will start telling another story soon.
Who knows, it just keeps getting brighter and brighter.
MrBallonger 1 month ago
@MrBallonger Brighter and brighter like phospherous in a dark room. The only light coming from without, as they let a little bit in at a time, while disdaining all who are already In the light.
CaptainArrrgh 1 month ago
AT 1:05-1:09 Thomas "EXCLAIMED?" My Lord nad My God!
I know where he gets this from; it's from The Greatest Man That Ever Lived book.
But the NWT and basically all bibles say that : Thomas ANSWERED and SAID to Him (Jesus) My Lord and My God!
Context is a false teachers worse nightmare, and the devil (WTS) has thought to distort the truth.
INTERESTING!!!
OurGr8God 1 month ago
All he really did was do the Mexican Hat Dance around Jn 20:17 and 20:31, and barf up the Witchtower's "Well, he was **a** god, so Thomas called him **His** god!"
No, that doesn't make Thomas a polytheist or anything; nope, not a bit.
Way to stomp a mudhole in this arrogant man, Bill!
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 "Mexican Hat Dance" LOL! You kill me! True, but you kill me! I'm keeping that one!
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
On several occasions i've actually tried to help King out in giving him ever better arguments to use against the Trinity (as he seems to love constructing strawmen and bad arguments), but the man is incapable of hearing anything.
theapologeticfront 1 month ago
@theapologeticfront
yeah....that's our Bobby boy! ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
Oh, you're picking apart Bobby, wait,..let me get my popcorn, this will be good,.. wait..................Go!
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What an idiot. Jesus walking through walls makes him an angel? What does philip disappearing make him? Gabriel? Acts 8:39.
And after all he said, in the end I went back and looked it up in the greek and whalla! It was still there, Jesus being called, "The God."
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
In the book of John 21:12-13 Jesus broke the breat and ate. He was flesh and bone.
BillLykken 1 month ago
This isn't the snarkiest of your videos, but I enjoyed it. Just a comment: The Godhead seems to make it a practice of calling each other God. Therefore it wasn't strange for Jesus to tell Mary He was going to God. In Hebrews chapter 1, God the Father is talking and says this in verse 8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The NWT does not render it thus, but that word God is THEOS.
PastorMcPherson 1 month ago
@PastorMcPherson
Yeah.....I did tone it down a bit. I was going for more contextual focus. I need to "ramp up" though...lol...
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
Where can I get a copy of the Loosey Goosey paraphrase....LOL Good Job Snarky!!!!
TheRoyalChief 1 month ago
@TheRoyalChief
YOU CAUGHT THAT!!! I like to "drop" little things like that in the vids from time to time. Sort of like Stan Lee showing up in some of his movies, or Alfred Hitchcock...lol....
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist the Loosey Goosey paraphraseis actually word-for-word. LOL!
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist With all of his attempt to reason away "ho theos" in John 20:28 after all his talking; I went back to the verse in greek and there it STILL WAS. It didn't disappear off the page , all he did was erased it from his own mind. So now when he reads John 20:28 "The God" never seems to get from his own eyes to his brain. And he is trying to teach you to do the same. i.e fool yourself.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
Ex20:1-5 “I am Jehovah your God,who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.You must not have any other gods against my face...You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them"
Jdgs2:1 "Then JEHOVAH'S ANGEL ...SAID:"I proceeded to bring YOU up out of Egypt and to bring YOU into the land about which I swore to YOUR forefathers. Furthermore, I said, 'Never shall I break my covenant with YOU"
JWs & bobby, you must not have any other gods against who's face?
barbsinclair 1 month ago
What do the JWs say about Luke 24:37-43?
Jesus tells his friends to touch him to see he is flesh and bones and then eats a piece of fish to prove he's not a spirit.
Are those verses even in the watchtower trashlation?
Scoobalawn 1 month ago
Well done. I like this video where you go point by point in reply to false teaching. Also, the music volume was low and it was not overproduced :) Simple and hopefully it will help a JW come to salvation in Christ.
holdfastthyword 1 month ago
@holdfastthyword
Many thanks and blessings dear friends! I appreciate the critique.
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
I've gota get me a copy of the "loosey goosey paraphrase". (BIG Grin) Good job Bill!
earnestlyseeking 1 month ago
King doesn't hear you over the sound of how awesome he is.
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
Bill I need a little bit more detail than you just telling us how the trinity works when Jesus told Mary that he had a God.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz As a man (which is was) he was submissive too God in heaven. He humbled himself. (Phil.2:8) If he humbled himself when he became a man, what did he humble himself from? From existing in "Gods form" Phil. 2:6. There would have been no need to humble himself, unless he was God.
earnestlyseeking 1 month ago 10
@earnestlyseeking Yeah Yeah, we all know about your 2 Jesus theory, how Jesus if fully god and fully man, but the fact of the matter is you cannot be "fully" onething while being "fully" another as it defeats the purpose of the word fully. I am sure there is a big excuse which the trintiy allows for but whatever.
Why did Phil not say he "existed as God" would that not be easier? It is because he went from"Gods form" to a "slaves form"(man) that is how he humbled himself.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@So, let me see here a man and a woman can't both be fully human. Are you fully male and fully human? Or are you only human?
earnestlyseeking 1 month ago
@earnestlyseeking LOL!! "Are you fully male and fully human? Or are you only human?"
Are you serious with this comment? The word "human" has the word "man" in it. Under the definition of the word man it says "a human being; person". These words mean the same thing. When you say Jesus is fully God and fully man it is like saying we fully man and fully reptile. I hope you were not serious with this comment.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz "Why did Phil not say he "existed as God" would that not be easier? It is because he went from"Gods form" to a "slaves form"(man) that is how he humbled himself."
Your right, but you forgot to add (God) after "Gods form" like you added (man) after "slaves form".
thardin69 1 month ago
@thardin69 No I did not forget because Phil mentions that being in a "Slaves form" means taken the likness of men, but it does not say being in "Gods form" means you must be God. This is something people read into the text which simply is not there.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz So what "form" did God come from? You'll have to explain what a "form" of God or anything (for that matter) is. Some translations say nature. What I get is Jesus has the same nature/form as God. We know the father isn't the son. What your saying is Jesus isn't man either, (just a form of).
thardin69 1 month ago 2
@thardin69 The bible says "God is a spirit" Joh 4:24. Jesus was a spirit creature before becoming a man. When he existed as a spirit he existed in "Gods form". Jesus then humbled himself and took on a slaves form and became a man. very simple, very easy.
Now in the trinity 2 Jesus theory he did not empty himself, he merely took on another form in addition to the godly form he already had which means he did not really humble himself if he never gave up his godly position.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Jesus was a spirit creature before becoming a man.
Heb 1:8 "All things you sujected under his feet. For in that he subjected ALL THINGS to him [Jesus]."
All things i.e the sun, moon, earth, etc...
Heb 2:5 "For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come."
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc I think you meant to quote Heb 2:8 and yes I agree Jehovah did not subject "All things" to an angel. That is why Heb 2:7 says
"You made him a little lower than angels(man); with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands"
So he subjected all things to Jesus when he was a man not an angel.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc I have never understood how Jesus worshipers can believe Jesus is God and try to use Heb 2:5 against JW's. How is it you guys believe Jesus is God and yet he had to have all things subjected to him, or is just that he subjected all things just to his human side? LOL
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz so at no point Jesus was worshipped?
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
@CrazySurvivalist No I don't believe he did, but he did get shown the honor and respect of King and savior of mankind as he so rightly deserved.
Now I have a question for you. Can almighty God have a God?1 Corinthians 11:3;
Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:3
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Interesting. Would it change anything for you if you clearly saw that Jesus was indeed worshipped, and the NWT was translated to hide that fact? And to answer your question, yes he can have a god in the sense that he was in subjection to the Father while a human on Earth.
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz and please remember when throwing around the term "Jesus worshippers" as if it's some sort of insult, Jehovah's Witnesses worshipped Jesus until 1954 before they became a polytheist religion.
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz You would do well to ask yourself why of the 55 times 'proskuneo' is found in the Greek scriptures, when used in reference to Jesus, the NWT translates it as "obeisance". When used in refrence to the Father, angels, the devil, or anyone else, it is translated by the NWT as "worship", EVERY TIME. Please fact check me, it's very important that you realize this.
CrazySurvivalist 1 month ago
@CrazySurvivalist Gee this is the first time I have ever heard this one.(sarcasm)
Proskuneo does not mean literal worship. Look it up for yourself.
Good for the NWT. They know that context is what determines how to translate proskuneo. Worship is only given to the true God and Jesus addressed who that was in his prayer to his father when he said that his father was the "Only true God"John 17:3
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz
Just as an FYI.... "TRUE" in John 17:3 = Alethinos. It has 2 connotations. (1) In the sense of possessed by the master and NOT the copies - as seen in Hebrews 8:2 and 9:24. OR, (2) In the sense of "real" vs "imaginary". Obviously, you'd prefer (1) be used here at John 17:3. The Lexicons tell us...NO DICE! IT IS NOT! The Lexicons selected (2) for John 17:3 "real" vs "imaginary" Jesus is NOT contrasting himself to the Father, but the Father to false gods. Blessings! ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
Bill this may b a nice little trinity excuse 4 u but Jesus was not comparing the Father 2 any other God. He was telling them how he was gonna b leaving shortly, but 2 remember that he came 2 glorify his God n Father n that was the important thing that they know it was the father whom loved these people and sent his son to redeem them, and that was his soul purpose 2 bring honor n praise 2 the true God n father of Jesus Christ. He was praying that God could see this was true.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz I have a simple question for you. Is there one or two kingdoms? The Watchtower proclaims that they are announcing Jehovah's Kingdom? Jesus said in John 18:36 "My kingdom is not of this world?" Which is it? Before you run to 1 Cor 15:24-28 you might want to do a little bit of research? =)
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher I don't think I have to say anything. I think it is explained by you here. Jesus Kingdom is Jehovah's because he turns over all things to his God and Father so he can be all things to all people.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Are you sure? I mentioned that scripture for a reason, I knew you would reason with that scripture. I've gotta get ready for work, but I''ll come back to this later this evening.
Real quick.. Who's your picks to go to the Superbowl?
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher Morning, you know I'm sure you have a little trick up your sleeve as most do with these kinds of questions, but I always want to hear what you got.
Since the Pats beat my Broncos I gotta go with them. That 2 TE offense is unstopable. 49ers vs Pats'
Pats will win Bowl 31 - 17
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz You're right! I am going to put a twist on it. I'm taking the Giants vs the Pats with the Giants winning again! 27-24.. LOL
It's in OT with the 49ers right now, but I've gotta support Peyton's little Bro being a Colts fan. Hahaha
I'll get back with you soon on that question.
1914watcher 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Come on Josiah, just answer the question. If Jesus is an angel, and that all things will be subjected to him, why does it say in Heb 2:5 that this world will NOT be subjected to angels?
Just answer the question.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc I answered your question. Heb 2:7 proves the fact that Jesus was a man when he inherited all these things, whether you believe it or not there it is in black and white. Sorry dude.
You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Well heb 1:3 tells us that "...when he had made pruification of sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high," So according to Hebrews chapter one, this is after his resurrection so you yourself just disproved WT doctrine. chapter one leads into chapter two.
Thank you for helping us disprove WT teaching.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc Well I must be honest I don't see how this does anything for what we were talking about and maybe you can expound on it, but whatever!! I guess at least your off of your little Heb 2:5 card trick. LOL
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
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@Josiahvidz Well I must be honest I don't see how this does anything for what we were talking
That was your way of sidestepping the question. You returned a comment without dealing with or answeroing it. Good on me! Bad for you.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz So please answer the question or i'll know that I am right. How can Jesus STILL be a man in hebrews chapter 2 if Chapter 1 reveals that this is post his resurrection.
Answer the question.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz As for the subjected thing. If I answer this, will you then take this as the answer, or will you use it again to duck out my original question that I asked?
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Gods form
In phil 2:7 it tells us that Jesus emptied himself taking the FORM (morphe) of a bond-servant, and being made in the likemess of men.
Was Jesus 50% human or 100% human?
If morphe means nature or form.
Was Jesus 20%,50% or 100% in the form of God?
There is a contradiction in your doctrine, you have no problem believing that Jesus was100% human but reject him being 100% God yet, the same word is being used for both.
pretoshohmoofc 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc "If morphe means nature or form"
The word morphe in no way means nature or essence like many translation try to make it say to fit there theology.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@pretoshohmoofc No there is no contradiction at all. Existing in Gods form simply means he existed as a spirit creature just as God did, and then came to be in a slaves form man.
The trinity believes he simply became a man in addition to being God so he never emptied himself as the scripture states he simply took on 2 forms at one time.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Good point.. Interesting, too, how in the Odes of Solomon Adam is said to have been in God's form, though, obviously, never inferring that the man of dust was Jehovah God.
IvanDefendingTruth 1 month ago
@IvanDefendingTruth Maybe you and Josiah can tell me who "Jehovah" is in Gen 18? (John 8:56-59)
Wake up!
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher That "Jehovah" is either an angel or all 3 angels. (compare Tg. Ps-J Gen 18 and Josephus in his Antiquities Book 1, Chapter 11) There is additional evidence in the Dead Sea Scrolls but I lack the reference at the moment. But apart from Gen 18, other angels are also called "Jehovah." For example, see Zechariah 3:1-3.
IvanDefendingTruth 1 month ago
@IvanDefendingTruth Well, I have to disagree. In Gen18:2 Abraham see's 3 men. 1 of the 3 represents himself as Jehovah. In Gen 19:1 the "Two" other men are said to be angels, but "Jehovah" stayed behind with Abraham in Gen 18? There is a difference between Zechariah 3:1-3 and Gen 18. In Zechariah 3:1-3 we see that the angel of Jehovah is identified as a "Angel." Can you show me where any angels have ever represented themselves as "Jehovah" in scripture?
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher Well, I have to disagree with you also. U claim that one of the angels represents himself as Jehovah, but I don't see anywhere in Gen 18 where any angels says "I am Jehovah", also when Abraham spoke to them in vs 3 and said ("Then he said: “Jehovah") not just one answered, they all answered in vs 5 ("At this they said") proving that not one but all were representing Jehovah. Lot also refered to the 2 men in Sodom as God in Gen 19:18.
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz read the rest of the chapter, vs 10-22. especially note 22. Isnt it obvious that one of the three stands alone being identified as Jehovah? Who else but Jesus could have the authority to fully represent and identify himself as Jehovah? Is he not the Word of God? Angels always clearly identify themselves as angels. Be careful because you are making the Jehovah who spoke to Abraham sound alot like a trinity of three angels!
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@peaceintruth I have read it many times, but made sure to read it again ever since I saw this comment made to me and just because it says "Jehovah said" does not mean that angel is Jehovah. Also no I am not making him sound like a trinity. Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3 and assume as much. The bible states that 2 or 3 witnesses were evidentally needed which the law later states. Deut 19:15; 1Tim 5:19
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz "Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3 and assume as much"
"“They say that it is sufficient to read the bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago." August 15, 1981 Watchtower
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher Whats your point?
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz My point? You said "Only people who want to believe in a trinity see 3." I quoted from a watchtower article that said reading the bible alone teaches the "trinity" doctrine. Read Gen 18 again and use your fingers this time
1914watcher 1 month ago
@1914watcher You really need to go back and read that article because it is not saying that if they simply read the bible they will develop the beleif in the trinity. They are saying apostates want JW's to become seperate from the flock so they can corrupt there thinking or so that they will revert back to previous teachings.
"these haughty ones try to draw the “sheep” away from the one international “flock” that Jesus has gathered in the earth"
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
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@Josiahvidz "You really need to go back and read that article because it is not saying that if they simply read the bible they will develop the beleif in the trinity."
You're correct, What they are really saying is, You need Watchtower publications to understand the bible, right? Is the bible the inspired of God, or the Watchtower publications? =)
1914watcher 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz so think about this...does the Father just let any old angel run around identifying himself by the sacred name YHWH (Jehovah). Have a look at Heb.7:2 and Gen.12:7. The Bible is always perfectly clear when relating how God communicated with his servants, be it in a vision, a dream, by an angelic messanger or by appearing himself. Now we know it cannot be the Father who appeared as YHWH, so who was it? Do you see how only Jesus could have the authority to do that?
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@peaceintruth Think about this, does any of them angels ever really say they are here to represent Jehovah or is it just people whom are calling them Jehovah? Think about this, when Hagar met the angel at the welll the bible clearly says it was an angel Gen 16:7 but then later the bible says Hagar was talking to Jehovah.Gen 16:13 Which is true, was she talking to a angel or Jehovah? Christians don't believe Jesus was an angel, but believe he was the angel of the Lord. sounds fishy
Josiahvidz 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz I cannot speak for what others may believe but personally I dont believe Jesus was an angel in that he was not created as they were and also he is not of the same "kind" as them. He and his Father are distictly unique from the heavenly beings they created. He can be said to be the "angel of the Lord" in the sence of being a messenger for the Father, actually the foremost messenger.... but still distict from the heavenly creatures we commonly term as "angels"
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz The danger in relegating Jesus to that of a mere angel can be demonstrated by an experiance I had with a long time (40+yrs) elder. During a discussion about transforming our personalities to reflect Christs', he expressed that the only reason we follow Jesus as our exampler is because he was the angel who came down. If it had happened to be another angel, then we would be following that angels personality and example! True story...I was still an active witness and I was floored!
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@peaceintruth Maybe you should have asked if we should follow the example of the two angels who came to Sodom and Gomorrah? (They were material for they ate the food Lot cooked.) Or, maybe the angel that appeared to Gideon. (Remember how he used the staff he was holding to touch the food Gideon brought to him)
rpierre777 1 month ago
@rpierre777 Hello, and thanks for your reply. The Elder was reasoning that Jesus was just an angel who volenteered to come down AND to die for our sins. His reasoning is that the angels must all have differant personalities and that if a differant angel had died for us then God would be asking us to reflect that angels personality. Guess he forgot about John14:9, Heb.1:3 and Col.1:15. Sorry I wasnt more clear, youtube dosent give much comment space so I had to cut it down.
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz I just realized I said Sarah instead of Hagar in responding to your referance to Gen 16. Sorry bout that, I was half alseep, lol!
peaceintruth 1 month ago
@peaceintruth "trinity of three angels." HOW DARE YOU! =)
1914watcher 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz No problem, but you never did answer me when I repeatedly asked you if you felt that Hippolytus and other Early Church Fathers were MONOtheists or POLYtheists.
Would you like to address that question here Richard?
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist Hippolytus sounds like something you talk to your doctor about in hushed tones.
hilldiggity 1 month ago
@hilldiggity
Actually, I wanted one as a child after visiting the zoo, but my dad said it would be too big for our house, so I had to settle for a dog ; )
My uncle had it, but the doctors said penicillin would clear it up.
lolololololol.....
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist The family secret is out!
hilldiggity 1 month ago
@TheSnarkyApologist >>>My uncle had it, but the doctors said penicillin would clear it up.
Bill, as a Pharmacist, I must correct you...Hippolytus tends to resist penicillin these days...it tends to require a broader spectrum, Quinolone type antibiotic.
=) =) =) LOLOLOL
msm1876 1 month ago
@msm1876 lol... Too funny
21crosscheck21 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
shadapple 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: "God was manifest in the flesh", justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory....Jesus is God. (P.S. Don't read the newer translations, authorized KJV only, newer translations are doctrines of devils, removing scripture and twisting them to make God look evil. In newer translations, God approves of rape in Deuteronomy, but not in my Bible.
shadapple 1 month ago
@Josiahvidz Richard...Richard...perhaps now you can answer me if the WT properly represented Ig of antioch in their 2-1-92 article!
msm1876 1 month ago
What if snarky and ewatchman are both wrong?
yrtemmyscirtemmysa 1 month ago
@yrtemmyscirtemmysa First sign of the end.
hilldiggity 1 month ago
Amen amen :-) all i can say is 1tim 3.16 and hebrew 4.12 praise be to God :-) God's word is awesome love the video :-)
cedella212 1 month ago
Some points that could also be made, are that going through walls or teleporting was not just done after the resurrection by Jesus. A few times when a crowd cornered him at a cliff or grabbed him to stone him, he also did this. Now it's easy to say he escaped naturally like anyone could, but that really depends on wanting to believe so.
CaptainArrrgh 1 month ago
@CaptainArrrgh Was he using the one ring to rule them all to do that?
hilldiggity 1 month ago
@hilldiggity Well I'm not sure how retroactive Tolkein stories would have been to that point, but if so, the people with those rings were inside the earth.
CaptainArrrgh 1 month ago
Let's see if I've got this straight... Jesus isn't God, but he is "a" god. And there are no other gods but Jehovah and it was ok for Thomas to call Jesus his God even though he wasn't God, because he'd walked through a wall. Also, Jesus recreated his wounds so Thomas would believe, so those wounds were not where he was pierced, rather they were copies of them. Finally, it's not possible to be mistaken about who someone is when it's dark and you're not looking at them. Ok, I think I get it!!!
thehappyfreethinker 1 month ago 7
@thehappyfreethinker uh...yeah...that pretty much says it all ; )
TheSnarkyApologist 1 month ago
bobby boy claims to be a prophet of Jehovah, and tells us to go after other gods and commit idolatry. Jehovah God tells us not to listen to bobby boy:
Deu 13:1-3 "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams rises among you ...saying, Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams. For Jehovah your God is testing you, to know if you love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
barbsinclair 1 month ago
In the NWT it say's Q: "THE LOAD OF ME AND THE GOD OF ME" Good job Snarky!!
bigzack1011 1 month ago
@bigzack1011 My Bad it is the K.I.T. That say's Q: "THE LOAD OF ME AND THE GOD OF ME"
bigzack1011 1 month ago
Wow! thought I would never hear him say that....O- The Worlds coming to an End! lol
LOVE ya Brother ...Nice WORK Again!
SteeleHorse45 1 month ago
The Watchtower should actually hire him as a writer. Or Newt Gingrich could hire him as a political spin doctor. Either one should suit fine :)
Bibl3Thumper 1 month ago
This guy is all over the place, wow
Bibl3Thumper 1 month ago
King really loves himself. Luke 24:39 Jesus says he is NOT a spirit. So now Jesus is a liar according to King.
EastGateShut 1 month ago 2
This video is a bit over my head, so I'll have to give it a few watches, but I wanted to say I loved the music selection.