Gronholm gets angry - New Zealand 2001

[alb91jpn]

これ以上になくブチ切れてらっしゃる

[sarkasmi83]

uh... I don't get it. Why would slowing down be a good strategy, ever? 

[AlejjSi]

@sarkasmi83 Because he will start 1st on the roand for the enxt day and especially at new zealand if you are among some first 5-7 cars,you will be running over a surface covered by small stones like ball bearing and it will be very slippery for you = you will be slower. When you run behind those first cars,this surface is moved away by the cars that already went trough and your wheels grip to the true surface. By being 2nd on the road,Gronholm lost about 50s over the first 51 km stage on day two

[sarkasmi83]

@AlejjSi aaaaa, ok - I see. :) Thanks for the great explanation, totally get it now.

But considering that, don't all the racers slow down because of that, and what's the dangers of actually driving reaaally slow? The last bunch gets disqualified? Haven't really watched rally before, even though I'm kinda interested. (I don't have any networks available that show em)

But anyway; thanks for the reply :)

[AlejjSi]

@sarkasmi83 Because he will start 1st on the roand for the enxt day and especially at new zealand if you are among some first 5-7 cars,you will be running over a surface covered by small stones like ball bearing and it will be very slippery for you = you will be slower. When you run behind those first cars,this surface is moved away by the cars that already went trough and your wheels grip to the true surface. By being 2nd on the road,Gronholm lost about 50s over the first 51km stage on day two

[ICYBOYSalvin23a]

Gronholm Smash!!! LOL

[hlidskjalf666]

what a fucking  material/car/team sport !!!

[dartass85]

He lost his WDC for that...!? Oh shit... Suomalaista tuuria...

[Eppu97]

Eii VITTU! Ei me voida. Anna mennä!

Samperi kun repesinXD

[BuenoSeraPerkele]

Onko Marcus niinkin raivoissaan että huutaa kartturille/tiimille ''Fuck you!''? :D

[AlejjSi]

@BuenoSeraPerkele Kyllä, se oli ;)

[KuostA]

but if you finish as fast as u can first on the PREVIOUS stage instead of pulling this strategy BS u can have a bigger lead to negate the fact that when you go first on the gravel state you'll be slower. right? this is so fucking lame. is this still allowed for 2011? are there rules in place for this or no?

[endlosschleife]

@KuostA It had been changed the way that the first 10 (?) drivers started the next day in reverse order. That led to the problem that once someone was in first place he usually remained there due to the best road conditions. So they changed it back and tactics have been a huge topic in 2010 und 2011. Few days ago the FIA announced to use the shakedown as some kind of qualifying. The fastest driver gets to choose his starting position first. We'll see how that's gonna work out.

[sarkasmi83]

@endlosschleife interesting read, tnx

[GarthBeatty]

Team Peugeot absolutely was to blame for this costly mishap.

[YukiNekoPrincess]

"VITTU!" xD I think it's wonderful that foreign curse words aren't bleeped out. :3

[AlejjSi]

@YukiNekoPrincess

Yes,it is...also remember Jan Kopecky crash in 2007 and all his words in czech like Marcus said here weren´t bleeped out :-D

[Hamppzah]

Translates to "FUCK"

[YukiNekoPrincess]

I knew what it meant, that's why I thought it was so funny. XD

[WoWAdvertisement]

why did he have to slow down?.....isnt it a race arent you suppose to see who gets the best time across the finish line....

[AlejjSi]

It indeed was and still is...but on gravel rallies,the first few cars were disadvantaged by running on slippery gravel.That needs more less grip and less speed.The first cars also sweep the rouds clear of that gravel,so the lower cars on the road had an advantage.

[Imprezaman555]

@AlejjSi That doesn't make any sense as to why he needs to slow down though. can you explain any more?

[AlejjSi]

@Imprezaman555 When the 1st car arrives on a gravel stage,it has got some free lying stones and gravel,which trough that the tyre has to go to find the hard ground under this gravel to get some grip. That takes some time and the car is handling worse,the driver feels like driving on wet or icy road. When some cars go on these roads,the free gravel is gone and the tyre immiediatly goes to the hard surface,having more grip for better handling

[Imprezaman555]

@AlejjSi But then why did he think he had to slow down by 11.17 secs.

[AlejjSi]

@Imprezaman555 This is the point of the video...that 11.17 was wrongly calculated by the team and that was why dropped only to second place and why he was so uspet

[Imprezaman555]

@AlejjSi But why does he have to slow down at all? Isn't it a race? How does the later car's advantage on gravel come in?

[AlejjSi]

@Imprezaman555 Ÿeah,it was a race...this happened in Australia 2000 too so they introduced a system,when the driver himself will choose where he runs,championschip leader first to choose and so on...the advantage comes in as I said when the loose stuff of the gravel is wiped away,either by cars ahead or by rain

[KuostA]

@AlejjSi but if you finish as fast as u can first on the PREVIOUS stage instead of pulling this strategy BS u can have a bigger lead to negate the fact that when you go first on the gravel state you'll be slower. right? this is so fucking lame. is this still allowed for 2011? are there rules in place for this or no?

[latuman]

@KuostA I think the other drivers already were driving as fast as possible. "Just drive faster" wouldnt really work in racing. I bet they wish they could though.

[G0Dfather0815]

I don't understand why Peugeot even tried this tactic? At stage 5 Grönholm was far in front of McRae (49sec), Sainz (36sec) and Burns (55sec)- the later winner of the rally. At stage 6 he lost ~30sec as you can see in the vid.

To gain an advantage with this slowing down at the end of the stage he needed to stop for 65sec (for being in a good starting position for day 2)!

So I don't understand why they even tried it. Quite stupid I think.

[AlejjSi]

Yes,It was mistake...but according to my results,he was only 25s in front of McRae,second more ahead of Sainz and 44,4 infront of Burns...that was not gonna enough for two days,as he lost 62s on first stage of day two

[G0Dfather0815]

google 'ewrc results'. click the first link.

there you have all the rally splittimes from 1997- 2009.

btw: I don't think that he lost the title because of this error, because he needed to win this rally for being champion 2001 but there was absolutely no way to beat Richard Burns in New Zealand. On day 2 (176km) he was 2min14sec faster than Grönholm. Pretty sick how huge the disadvantage of sweeping the road was back in 2001.

[AlejjSi]

The numbers i wrote here were from ewrc.results...and yes,it was bad to be first on the road,Makinen lost the same on Day 1

[18PacWest]

MARLBORO PEUGEOT TOTAL shown a board that says 11.17 and won the constructors championship

[sedatedno1]

rallydriver english, you have to love it

[AlejjSi]

Yes,Marcus´s english is nice :-)

[goldeye355]

the reason for this video is to show how far ahead he really was. (i think). very funny.

[AlejjSi]

They were standing by the end,so they were close to time control,where are the times on the timeboard.Because Gronholm was lower down the championschip than Burns,Mcrae or Sainz,he could easilly use this strategy,because as he was approaching the end,Burns and the other were allready out of the stage

[TuPP3]

What is that sign for?

[TuPP3]

Oh, there was actually said "Hold up the board to tell how much to slow down"

But why they show those signs at the end anyways, as they don't have any signs during the race.