Barnaby Joyce: How many droughts will the carbon tax prevent? asked to Senator Penny Wong

[tommygunfeez]

Question 1) If Carbon Dioxide drives global warming, how is it that we have had six major ice ages in the the earths history yet at those times the atmospheric carbon dioxide was far higher than it is now?

Question 2) The temperature increase during a 24 hour period is far more than what they say global temperatures will increase over time due to climate change? How is that more dangerous to life than the changes in temperature that is experience during this 24 hour period?

[bongo155]

@tommygunfeez Are you serious or just taking the piss? I have a question for you. Why is it hotting on the whole of Venus, including the poles and at night time, than Mercury at the equator at the hottest time of the day? Because of the greenhouse effect which is over 90% CO2. Look, you're a stupid bogan and the sad thing is that you will probably, if not already, breed stupid little bogan cunt children.People like you should be chemically castrated to stop them breeding.

[tommygunfeez]

@bongo155 haha good on you but im certainly not going to debate with someone like you because you have no facts, you obviously havnet done any research yourself and you can't construct a worthwhile argument without saying ridiculous, irrelevant, hurtful statements which are a personal attack on me, and not the subject we're debating. Just because you call someone a cunt does not make the case you are arguing any stronger it only illustrates how uneducated you are and what a wanker you are.

[bongo155]

@tommygunfeez Someone on the right calling me uneducated. Considering most people on the right dropped out at high school and listen to talk back radio and read News Ltd papers I find that amusing.

[bongo155]

@tommygunfeez Still didn't answer why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though its millions of kilometres further away from the sun. Its fools like you that do more damage to the climate debate than anyone. People who say CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas are dangerous, idiotic people. Its prudent for people to question climate science but the extreme, nut bag right who follow their God, Andrew Bolt, like fanatical muslims are a real danger to society.

[roguemale57]

The past 12 months saw the most instances of extreme weather in a decade.-China Daily

Global average sea level rose at an average rate of around 1.8 mm per year over 1961 to 2003-Wikipedia

In the past century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74 ºC.-CSIRO

Your mumbo-jumbo reflects the state of denial climate sceptic scientists live in. Firstly, by using of old data now known to contain errors. Secondly, living in the pockets of oil companies.

Enough with the politics pls

[juginger]

The whole man made global warming scam is a political issue not one of science, end of story. It is there to control humanity and the global carbon tax will be paid to a bank in Switzerland owned by the Rothschilds, and Al Gore will benefit of course as well. Follow the money and wake up.

[topologyrob]

What a dumb question Barnaby - ignorant as usual

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Well Wong blamed our last droughts on human induced climate change. Barnaby was trying to educate her on how fucking ludicrous that statement by her was. He was being sarcastic. She doesn't give a shit about global warming. This tax is all about securing income as baby boomers retire from the workforce as well as providing billions of income for bankers like the Rothschilds. Her and her lying scum mates are not working for Australian people or the planet. CO2 is not pollution.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo I agree it's too much of a stretch to say climate change "caused" the last drought, but most experts agree that the frequency of unusual weather is likely to be exacerbated by higher global temperatures, just as a general level of unfitness is likely to be a good way to have more health problems. And of course CO2 is pollution - not inherently, but in the excess levels we are putting it into that very thin layer, the atmosphere.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Crystal ball gazing isn't science. Real science looks at the past and can see CO2 levels have been far higher than now naturally, with no mass extinctions or irreversible warming that AGWarmists claim will happen now. The IPCC has to constantly change their predictions as they fail to come true. Current CO2 levels are not "excess" at all. Stop eating up the BS and do some research on this planet's history before the start of Al Gore's graph. We are not heading for doomsday.

[Atheeizm]

OH HAPPY DAY!!!!

[Sklitscher]

Senator Wong is very clever with words. Of course does not answer the question

[topologyrob]

@Sklitscher That's because the question was so incredibly silly

[Sklitscher]

Senator Wong Isi

[132stoney]

Didnt know Penny was a mans name......

[DJUNIT001]

Im pretty sure the sun controls the temperature not some minute, irrelevant effect associated with reflection of sun rays. Sun controls temperature along with our inner core and clouds.

OH WAIT A MINUTE. Clouds are a greenhouse gas (95% on earth), who has been putting these clouds there killing polar bears (BS), melting ice caps (look at antartica ROFL LOL U FAIL).

Sad people getting sucked in to a global money making scam. Sucko to you.

[breadbaker226]

Penny Wrong

[roguemale57]

If you can't back up the pseudo science then just use over simplistic analogies. You climate-change sceptic wallabies just don't get it. From once-in-a-lifetime weather events featured regularly on the news to the unprecedented melting of ice caps - it's all in front of you but, you choose to live in denial. There are 3 stages of scientific discovery- first people deny it is true; then they deny it is important; finally, they credit the wrong person.

Don't be on the wrong side of history

[DJUNIT001]

@roguemale57 You sad, sad person. Ill provide information for your simple brainwashed mind.

Temperature has NO direct link with extreme weather events such as (regular occuring) floods, droughts. Warmer weather would actually induce a more stable climate.

3 stages of sceintific discovery? You are completely wrong and know nothing about science.

Scientific studies are not based on consensus (earth centre of universe, earth is flat ect.).

Answer: Why has there been cooling in last ten years :)

[roguemale57]

@DJUNIT001 The world according to climate change sceptics:

NASA satellite photographs of retreating ice-caps and glaciers are of Mars not earth.

10,000 people of Lohachara island (India) only imagined relocating to Sagar & it didn’t disappear under the sea.

The unprecedented number of extreme weather events, eg. Thailand floods are because of a low-pressure system in the south.

The world scientists are wrong about a slowly warming earth & it’s only a conspiracy theory to get us to do what?

[DJUNIT001]

@roguemale57

skepticism is science buddy,

I have no idea of what your talking about an i am a skeptic. There is NOT A CONSENSUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE OR CLIMATE SENSITIVITY TO CARBON DIOXIDE.

The only scientists who claim all this bullshit are not scientists at all such as AL GORE (currently being sued by 30000 scientists for false claims) and scientists who have nothing to with meterology or climatology (such as IPCC)

Read the NIPCC report to get real scientific FACT and you will see the truth

[roguemale57]

@DJUNIT001 While you sit around & watch the spectacle of politics, people are being forced from their homes because of rising sea levels. Parts of The Republic of Kiribati, are several feet under water. In Tuvalu, salt water is flooding the shores & destroying crops. South East Asia is facing the worst flooding in 50 years. Indeed, there have been increase incidences of drought, & cyclone activity all over the globe.

Don't insult me or others by peddling pseudo science-use your own eyes.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 Tuvalu claimed sea level rise was contaminating wells. It was found the locals were using too much fresh water & the salt water table was moving higher. That has nothing to do with global warming, which is why idiot AGWarmists no longer use the Tuvalu example. They never apologised for being wrong, they just move on to the next lie.

[roguemale57]

@channelhismojo Every man & his dog knows, there is only 2.75% of fresh water on earth so don't try to sidetrack the issue with political spin.Several uninhabited outlying islands in Tuvalu have gone under & you blame people for taking too many hot showers? Is that the best you can come up with?

Please don't insult us.

Future generations are going to judge us by what we do now, and currently we're failing them.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 What political spin? The Tuvalu case was found to be a local overuse issue not sea level rise. New Scientist published an article with data showing the atolls you claim are going under have actually EXPANDED territory as the coral responds. You see, small atolls are made up of smashed coral. They always stay around the same height above sea level. The claim they are sinking is opportunistic. They want funding from the West. Follow the money.

[roguemale57]

@channelhismojo In the same article they also said "... that local sea levels have been rising by an average of 2 millimetres per year." How some islands respond to rising sea levels is part of nature eg. properties of coral & plate tectonics. Indeed, they can never accurately predict the true number of islands in the pacific because,islands are being formed and swallowed up all the time.

But, time & time again i find you climate septics trying to sidetrack the issue of rising seas levels.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 If the sea levels are rising, IF, (the Maldives seem to STILL be fine) that still does not prove humans are warming the planet. Think about it. Sea level rise is an effect. You cult members are still to prove the cause.

[roguemale57]

@channelhismojo I have thought about it. It's indefensible to suggest sea levels are not rising-there is just too much physical evidence. Ok, then what's causing the increased volume? Let's look @ NASA satellite images of polar regions .Two images taken of sea ice in 1979 & 2003 vividly illustrate retreating ice caps & glaciers.In contrast, to the pseudo science being touted-here, we actually SEE some signs of a warming climate. Experts can let us down but, our senses rarely do.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 Even if the sea levels are rising super fast (they aren't) and all the glaciers are retreating (they aren't) that still does not prove humans are causing this. When you state that sea level rises prove that there should be a tax to reduce CO2 output, that's classic junk science. You take an effect, and attribute one single cause to it, ignore all others, then support actions that won't do anything to reverse the cause you are so worried about. That's junk science and it's INSANE!

[roguemale57]

@channelhismojo Because, climate science is complex it's just too easy to sidetrack it with politics'. You can come up with expert opinions supporting your view & i can do the same with mine.But, 3 things are for certain the earth's climate is warming, sea levels are rising & we are experiencing more extreme weather - these facts are indisputable. If these events are a result from natural processes then so be it. But, if they are man made-then we stand accused of doing nothing.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 Wrong. The climate is NOT warming constantly, and it is not warming in proportion to the CO2 increase. In fact it cooled for some tears last decade, which blows your CO2-warming theory out of the water. Now it's actually warming at a slower rate than that predicted if ALL co2 was cut (see Hansen graph). Sea levels rise naturally regardless of human activities. Again, any SL variations do not prove human CO2 output is causing it. Reliable wind speed records only go back to 1950

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 Even if the frequency of storms were increasing, that doesn't prove humans are causing it. To say that there is a theory that CO2 increases in the atmosphere cause warming, then to use any warming and associated effects as proof of your original theory is not good science. You could use any possible cause - say number of ice cream flavours, and if warming occurs does that then prove your theory is correct? No. It's ludicrous. The best science looks into the past.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 The planet has been warmer than now, and had higher CO2 levels, During these times life became abundant. The worst times for life and human society was during natural cold periods. Famines and plagues correlate with cool periods. If you are worried about habitats, why are you so hell bent on keeping so much of the planet under permafrost? Why is it good to have a valley full of a glacier and bad to have it full of trees and animals? Why the negativity? Because this is political.

[channelhismojo]

@roguemale57 " Tuvalu, where politicians and climate change campaigners have repeatedly predicted it will be drowned by rising seas, as its highest point is 4.5 metres above sea level. But the researchers found seven islands had spread by more than 3 percent on average since the 1950s.

[R]esearch showed similar trends in the Republic of Kiribati, where the three main urbanised islands also “grew” – Betio 30%, Bairiki 16.3% & Nanikai12.5%" -New Scientist

Where's the apology from AGW liars?

[Atheeizm]

@DJUNIT001 You have no idea about science 'buddy'. You best stick to things you know.

[topologyrob]

@DJUNIT001 Actually, over 97% of the experts agree that greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver of the recent steep increase in global temperatures. Check the peer-reviewed literature. That sure sounds like a consensus to me.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob "Peer reviewed" is code for 'edited' and 'censored'. The Climategate emails show how these AGWarmists collude and conspire to discredit and refuse the publishing of papers they disagree with no matter how the science stands up. 97% of "experts" who's entire job relies on the global warming lie to be perpetuated might agree. That shows how unethical they are.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo The stolen emails showed nothing of the kind, as multiple investigations have shown. That's quite a conspiracy theory you're sitting on. Just as bad as 9/11 conspiracy theories. If you reject peer review, you really should switch off your computer - it's based on science, so must be unreliable and dangerous.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Stop setting up straw men. I'm not talking about 9/11 or tobacco. Are you suggesting there is no politics involved in peer reviewing? How naive.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Of course there is, but it's way, way oversold by the "sceptics" of climate science. Why are they not just as sceptical about computer science (ie they use their computers). You are talking at the same level as 9/11 conspiracies, and the propagandists for big carbon are the actual same people (eg. Fred Singer) as those who tried to pass off tobacco as harmless in the 1970s.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Why don't those who push AGW ban computer science speakers, use ad hominem attacks on computer science speakers, ignore the facts and arguments of computer science speakers? Why do AGWarmists hate debate on this issue so much? What are they afraid of? People like you do not act towards this issue as you would with computer science. Your analogy is poor. Peer reviewing by those who depend on lies for their jobs is corruption.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo When climate "sceptics" come up with any facts published in science journals, your analogy might work. There aren't a bunch of vested interests trying to say computer science is bunk. You need to be in climate science or evolution to have to deal with that nonsense. Computer science is mercifully freer of it. People who peer review computer science are just as dependent on it for their jobs. Where are the lies in climate science? You have produced no evidence, just propaganda.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob There are a bunch of vested interests trying to claim science opposing AGW theory is bunk. Where are the lies? The claims that the planet has never had so much atmospheric CO2, it has never been hotter, all warming is due to human activities, hurricanes have never been more violent and frequent, the ice caps are almost gone, all glaciers are retreating, warming is all bad, people who oppose AGW theory work for big oil ARE ALL LIES. These are just the few the media uses.

[DJUNIT001]

@channelhismojo

all the great scientists went against theories that were accepted by the majority (galileo, einstien, newton)

1. greenhouse gases (including C02) have been at much greater levels in the past, not correlating with warming

2. The earth has been ALOT hotter (are u seroius .. MWP..)

3. A hotter climate = less fierce wheather events

4. People who support ur shit theory are FOR OIL (al gore) as more investment in green energy = higher price of oil..

figure it out dickhead

[channelhismojo]

@DJUNIT001 Why are you calling me a dickhead? I agree with you.

[DJUNIT001]

@topologyrob richard lindzen at MIP what about his peer reviewed literature ???????????

ur models is what u base everything off and they are proved wrong time after time (where was the waming for the past 10 years buddy). you cannot predict meterology to that extent especially with the lack of knowledge about climate sensitivity

lies in climate science = IPCC (only 1/3 scientents and of those hardly any in meterology) AL (manbearpig) GORE THE CUNT and anyone who wants to make money of GREEN!!

[robdotcom71]

Good ol' Barnaby Goose!!

[breadbaker226]

@robdotcom71 no, just good old Barnaby and some good old common sense

[NortSinister]

im all out of mercy, time to invest in guillotines

[EternalDensity]

For those who missed it: the answer is 0.

[bennyboytalk]

@EternalDensity yes, i was just bored to tears by everything that bitch said... so thank you for answering mate

[bennyboytalk]

Respond to this video...  2010 is the warmest..... thats a lie. that is a lie. she should be in jail for that

[bradandnicole]

The science is settled these labor stooges say,well what about the thousands of scientists who reject man made climate change.These fools just handpicked the scientists who would agree with them and the real cause of climate change has nothing to do with carbon dioxide or any thing being pumped into our air it is all got to do with the earths inner core.Look it up and learn you labor socialist pigs.

[topologyrob]

@bradandnicole Well of course it's settled - 97% is a consensus. Watch who you're calling fools - only every reputable scientific organisation in the world, and every reputable journal in the field (along with every reputable university). Nothing to do with socialism, it's just plain facts.

[bradandnicole]

@topologyrob Its plain facts to you maybe but not to me and most other people.There is only one thing that causes climate change or global warming as you used to call it lol.The earths inner core and outer core cause climate change and have so since the beginning of time.Lol even barrack obama dissmisses a carcon tax while here in australia and so do most of the rest of the world.The only reason weve got the tax is not to help the envoirment it is to help this braindead government with revenue.

[baptist1611]

Look at what this nation has come to. A lesbian forcing us to pay a tax on air.

[topologyrob]

@baptist1611 Yes, another case of homophobia in a reckless anti-carbon-price opinion. Why do they so often go together? Are you going to get your "ditch the witch" signs out now?

[drakosha2]

When is this government will go away? Call in the election!

[lumabi25]

How was 2010 the warmest year on record? My vivid recollection is that before late 2006 (on the Gold Coast at least) we had boiling summers and mild winters for many years. Since then, mild summers and cold winters. I need no data to confirm this. It happened, and these people are bare faced liars.

[steam0001]

Did he 1 trillion? Do you guys need any tar & feathers?

[topologyrob]

@AussieMatters You see the sorts of attitudes climate deniers hold? Racism, homophobia... man, oh man

[wellwellwellall]

why is this dumb woman nOT ANSWERIG THE QUESTION? . Its because she is a liar and a puppet to the multinationals

[TruthSeekingElf]

This carbon dioxide tax is what it is, just another tax. THIS is the start of the downfall of Australia, mark my words. This is all by design. These lying scum ought to be removed from their posts forthwith, they are not fit to run a piss up in a brewery never mind make insane decisions for a whole continent. This is disgusting, THEY work for us, THEY are PUBLIC SERVANTS, yet the only person they are serving are THEMSELVES! Satanist lying scum!

[toranacar]

I believe Penny Wong is an inteligent woman, but she clearly cant see or hear how stupid she sounds/looks when she talks about "Climate change"

[topologyrob]

@toranacar She looks intelligent - you'd have to be quite biased, I think, to get a different take on it.

[toranacar]

@topologyrob She knows its bull shit, most of them know it. But she is willing to sell Aus down the toilet

[topologyrob]

@toranacar What a laugh - the only people who think that are stuck in fantasy land, wishing all the facts would somehow go away. At least our PM is not as reckless as that (like dear old Barnaby, the innocent boy)

[toranacar]

@topologyrob I wonder how hard you will laugh when everything you take for granted goes up in cost including your electricity bill, jobs accelerate to OS and the co2 emissions remain the same and even increase! With no benefit to our environment.

Unfortunately by the time people like you wake up it will be way too late.

[topologyrob]

@toranacar That's a very alarmist position - all the evidence shows that there will be very minimal impact from the price in terms of cost of living, but substantial impacts on greenhouse gas emissions. So I think I'll stick with expert opinion, like any responsible adult.

[toranacar]

@topologyrob We will see. Unfortunately....

[channelhismojo]

@toranacar YEah. Notice it's not "global warming" any more?

[i8uNWO]

So what was the answer to the question? It's ok, we know, and so does she....

[topologyrob]

@i8uNWO The answer is that climate and weather doesn't work like that - it's not exactly a linear, simplistic thing you can predict neatly. Joyce knows this, and he's just being a troublemaker, pretending there is some doubt in the science. Yes, we can predict a general shift in climate, but not exact percentages of how many droughts will be prevented. It's like a question from a primary school boy.

[i8uNWO]

@topologyrob it is like a question from a primary school boy, and they cant even answer that? How about this question then? Why don’t we just ask the Australian people via a referendum if they want this tax? Rather than lie and force it on them... That’s my issue, I will go along with my fellow Australians if that’s what they want, But the way Gillard and co went about this, is nothing short of treason! A betrayal of ones country and people.

[topologyrob]

@i8uNWO It's not that Penny can't answer, but to play along with Barnaby's childishness is unproductive. There is a referendum coming up - an election. If the people vote the government out on the basis of this, we'll know Australia is not in a good place, just as it wasn't when we swallowed the children overboard nonsense. It won't change the facts that a price on carbon is the ethically right thing to do, no matter how short sighted and selfish some people might be.

[i8uNWO]

@topologyrob And what do we base this election on, more lies? What’s the point? Gillard proved that there is no use forming an opinion on who to vote for on the content of what they say? A referendum would ask the people directly so we don’t have to deal with her lies, “Hey Australia, Yes or No?” You do want to live in a democracy I gather? A 26% approval rate is not a majority, so yes… you are correct, the few are being selfish.

[channelhismojo]

Even if the warming figures she uses were correct - THAT DOES NOT PROVE HUMAN INDUCED GLOBAL WARMING! Such junk science from a Senator who must know better.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo How is it junk science? You've been had by the propagandists who once tried to pass off smoking as harmless.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob If I develop a theory that ipods cause global warming, and my only proof is that the number of ipods is increasing so therefore any warming that occurs MUST be caused by ipod growth, then I continue to ignore the FACT that warming slowed to nothing for a decade, and keep stating that warming is always increasing when it isn't, let alone increasing at the rate predicted by my BS theory, then use the supposed warming as proof that ipods are causing it. That's JUNK SCIENCE.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo I'm sorry, but your response only serves to show you appear to be very unfamiliar with the science. Those who spend their lives on it are in incredibly strong agreement that the signs are very clear that human-caused emissions are the most likely cause of recent warming. That is hardly "junk science". The propaganda is demonstrably fraudulent however.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Which side has been caught out lying? Which side has to change their fortune telling scare-mongering once reality shows they are wrong? We are currently warming at an *average* rate LOWER than that predicted by Hanson if humans had stopped emitting ALL CO2! His work was the basis of many IPCC predictions and papers. The planet is NOT reacting to increased CO2 as the green left "science" shrieked about, yet they continue with the standard lies.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Obviously the propagandists are the "side" that's been caught out lying, as Naomi Oreskes' book so amply demonstrates. They did it with tobacco too. There are fantasies that climate change scientists have been widely caught out lying, but they all turn out to be nonsense when scrutinised. Climate denial is so fraudulent - no different essentially from creationism. Pseudoscience for scared people.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob People like you get sucked in by the bullshit. FACT- CO2 is increasing. FACT - the predicted rate of warming does not match reality. FACT- prior to Al Gore's starting point on his graphs there was a cool period in the 1600s. Current warming is not unusual given we are still emerging from this cold period. FACT - temperature correlates to solar cycles, NOT CO2 levels in the atmosphere, which is why the IPCC and other fraudsters have to keep revising their scare tactics.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo You might want to look more closely at your "facts". It turns out they might not be so "factual" as you have been led to believe. Current warming (and yes, it has continued since 1998) is definitely unusual, and during a time of low solar radiation. Why on earth would you call the IPCC "fraudsters"? You must have some strong evidence right?

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Google "IPCC's Santer Admits Fraud" for one recent case. The IPCC is well known to have censored and edited factual papers they don't like. The entire IPCC bureaucracy exists only if the lie continues. Do some research. I'm not your mummy.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Your "research" leaves a great deal to be desired. It's basically propaganda you've been sucked into, as opposed to science.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob right back at ya.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Except that you're on the side of a bunch of pseudoscientists with no publications in proper science journals

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob So you're saying the IPCC's Santer is a propagandist? Well, do they lie or not?

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo The only lie is the misrepresentation of Santer - try reading about it from a source that is not tied up with climate "scepticism" and see how you've been lied to. Don't believe the corporate propagandists (or loony Lord Monckton).

This is just another one like "Phil Jones said there was no warming since 1995".

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob God, you're a lost cause. You're in a cult. Who is Phil Jones? I look at NASA information. NASA also showed Mars warmed when Earth was. How is a CO2 tax going to stop Mars warming? Even if you buy the BS that humans are causing warming, this tax WILL DO NOTHING to stop it. It's a waste of resources, time and money. I would be willing to go along with the fantasy if solutions were win/win but this is a fucking big banker's wet dream while the poor suffer.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Ha ha, a cult! Which every single national science organisation in the world belongs to, along with every reputable university and every leading science journal. Yes, quite a cult. As opposed to the straggly lot who can't even publish a paper. You should look up Phil Jones - maybe you'll learn something. You should also find out a bit more about Mars by the sound of things.

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Oh, so numbers of universities that claim to agree with AGW theory = facts? How fucked up is your concept of science? I'm sure professors who disagree with AGW in universities are going to speak out, because we all know how rational and centrist universities are right? They only BAN SPEAKERS they don't agree with. Bastions of learning NOT. It's well known that peer reviewing is censorship. Climategate showed the lengths AGW scum will go to protect their unnecessary positions.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo I'm not sure how you got from "the cult includes all the universities" to "if the universities say so, it must be fact". I didn't say that at all. My point is that if you think I'm off with the fairies, then so are all the best experts in the field.

Also hard to see how you can cling to "climategate" when it's been so very roundly shown to be a beatup (by numerous independent inquiries - far, far more than any regular controversy would ever be scrutinised).

[channelhismojo]

@topologyrob Phil Jones did not "embrace the spirit of openness" of the freedom of information act a fellow university stooge on the inquiry found. Deleting information and trying to hide the lack of warming while collecting taxpayer funds for their bogus science is fraud. Lucky they had fellow AGW cult members investigating them. Google Mars+warming and learn something before you make yourself look sillier than you are.

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Why would you think anyone was trying to hide the "lack of warming"? You're not still banging on about the phony "climategate" stuff are you?

[topologyrob]

@channelhismojo Maybe you should read scientific journals about Mars rather than trusting what you find by googling. Just a thought. You'll find that Mars has not been warming globally like Earth.

[channelhismojo]

illiberal? She can't speak English let alone work out she's wrong about global warming.

[channelhismojo]

This bitch can't ever answer the question.

[LibertyDownUnder]

We should start calling her: "The Minister in charge of Cooling the Planet".

[pheonixrising789]

The carbon cops and armed train station guards will be a second tier police force

[rainwilds]

And people think they live in a democracy!

[Buckpwnz]

The guillotine stock will soon be on the rise. Invest in the future now. :)